From the video, it seems the student isn’t pushing through 2 imaginary balls after contact. That extension forward might limit the over-rotation and encourage the student to catch the racquet with the other hand or at least wrap it around the shoulder on the finish. After his strokes, his left arm is hanging by his side instead of slowing the racquet down.
@garryirving1498
5 жыл бұрын
This is a full western grip. Are you recommending that
@JS-ol7vu
5 жыл бұрын
The over rotation on the follow through is a result of him hitting the ball too far out in front. He starts his shoulder rotation too soon and by the time he contacts the ball his right shoulder is out in front and he's leaning forward. Instead of creating smooth rotational momentum with the racket he's lunging forward just before impact and his right shoulder and foot can't help but come around.
@jackquinnes
6 жыл бұрын
Excellent and to the point. Often over-looked crucial piece of the puzzle in groundstroke fundamentals.
@thereisnogod3924
5 жыл бұрын
changing the grip. so typical if they dont have the solution. The rotation is perfect!!! The path of the arm isnt. Give me this guy 30 minutes and he will 5x harder with the same rotation.
@NadimNaser
5 жыл бұрын
Dominique De Vos - it all starts with the grip, Dominique. Without it, you are fixing symptoms, not the cause of an issue. I’m well aware that coaches don’t try and fix someone’s grip because it’s too difficult to do. It’s much easier to “fix” something else. Also, it’s not about pace as much, more so it’s about control and consistency. Power doesn’t help you, if you miss every other shot. Do you have some videos of yourself teaching a student of yours? I’d love to see one and learn even more on how to fix someone’s technique. Please direct me to some footage and we can discuss. Best wishes and happy new year.
@chtomlin
5 жыл бұрын
@@NadimNaser actually no....if you have to change everyone's grip, it means you only understand one type Fh grip and don't know how to coach the others. Having to change a player's grip is often a symptom of narrow minded coaching. I do like what you say about control more than pace...excellent important point that it seems nearly everyone misses these days as the judge everything by the power generated.
@gregglesueur3224
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Chuck, respectfully our teaching is based on the principle that it's the grip which determines the angle of the racquet face, which determines to path of the swing, which determines the body position. With an incorrect grip you have to make multiple adjustments versus just one. Each bevel represents a difference of 45 degrees on the angle of racquet face, on a court which is less then 20 degrees wide. This is big difference when considering that a 1 degree change in the angle of the racquet face can at 30 mph can cause the ball to go 6 feet further. Regards, Gregg
@chtomlin
5 жыл бұрын
@@gregglesueur3224 so how do you account for the variety in grips that we have seen from the big 3 and from the top 10 players over the last 3 decades?
@gregglesueur3224
5 жыл бұрын
@@chtomlin Hi Chuck, we don't recommend having two different grip structures, where the two reference points, the index knuckle and the heel pad, are on two different bevels. We recommend that both are on the same bevel. That's what Nadim is referring to the in the video. Best, Gregg
@joelw8780
6 жыл бұрын
You don't have a modern day forehand so how can you correct a modern day forehand? The over rotation is slightly over done but not the main issue. The grip should be corrected yes but he also does not have the correct rhythm in the kinetic chain and he is also not releasing the head in the swing. Too much upward direction often times is the cause of this. With this grip he should be hitting a heavier ball which tells me he's got a few factors to work on. Msg me if you're really interested in changing your swing from someone who hits a modern day forehand.
@jugador1966
6 жыл бұрын
hi joel. yes very interested. i have been working on hitting on a flatter path and then catching the racquet with my left hand, and it has increased consistency. my email is gsegura3@gmail.com. and i'm very grateful for any and all things to correct. best regards
@NadimNaser
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Joel. May I see your forehand? Yes, I do have a modern day forehand myself, but when I instruct/teach, it's not what I do with the shot but what will get the student there and I/we take the approach of building solid fundamentals and then progress from there...toward the modern game without the problem of missing important fundamentals. Let's see what Gerardo's forehand will look like after working on these suggestions and then go from there with the next round of progressions. Funny comment though :)
@scottnagle2516
6 жыл бұрын
Most pros rotate as you rotate here. You can see all the top players ending up with shoulders rotating well beyond the direction of the target. The reason your rotation seems less controlled is that you are swinging your back (right) leg around in a lot of the shots you have in the video. Your grip is similar to Novak's and he has a rotation which would be labeled here as an 'over' rotation...I think Novak's rotation is quite good...but he does not swing his leg around on every forehand...like you appear to do. I am not advocating you not consider another grip, but the cause of the rotation and perhaps control issue looks much more like a footwork issue. Also your racket finish is up but then very low...more often the top players keep it up around the shoulder for a longer than you do before they may or may not bring it down lower...but I suspect your low finish is also caused by your footwork/balance and this is how you are compensating.
@pacerdave7838
6 жыл бұрын
Audio is too low and yes mine is turned all the way up.
@NadimNaser
6 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that. I have tried it on 5 different devices and it seems to work for me. Which computer, tablet phone are you watching this on?
@Invinciblebass432
6 жыл бұрын
Great video! Which bevel should your heal pad hit with service grip? Can you do video on marking your grip with when serving? Thanks! These KZitem videos and their implementation in the court alone are helping me transform and dial in my most natural serve. What a pop I am getting and talk about over and in! Look forward to submitting a video soon for review!
@oscarericsson2025
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video! I am wondering about the section at 6:15 where you are telling him where the heel pad currently is. Previously in the video you say that the knuckles are in parallel with the grip. However, when you tell him the current grip you rotate the grip to have a grip with the knuckles even more perpendicular to the grip. Shouldn't you be rotating in the other direction, i.e. closer to index 3?
@vubot1
5 жыл бұрын
Horrible!!!! Re-title this video "How to have a Terrible follow though". Watch any Federer video - he rotates fully whenever he has a clean shot at a ball.
@bailadorr
6 жыл бұрын
I'm Also having problems with my forehand grip and I'll try follow your advice. Thank you very much
@SailingOnACrow
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this video. After recording myself for the first time, I'm shocked how much I look exactly like the guy in the video! Now time to hunker down spend a few months ironing the grip and over rotation problems out :p
@6291390
6 жыл бұрын
hi there, I must say I am a bit confused by the part regarding over rotation. I was always tought that forehand with open stance require a 180 degree body rotation. according to Nadeem, this is over rotation. basically 90 degree rotation is sufficient. so which one is correct? or is it the case that 180 degree rotation is good for players above 4.0 or higher? player below 4.0 should only try 90 degree rotation? can u elaborate a bit more on it? thanks a lot.
@astropiazzolla
6 жыл бұрын
It's not so much the degree of rotation that is the problem but the reason behind it. In this video the student was arming the ball, which caused over-rotation, because the shoulders were just following the arm which was trying very hard to smack the ball. If the racquet lags behind the arm during the swing, simply pointing the shoulders forwards is generally enough to make the racquet and then the arm wrap around the body in a much more natural and relaxed way.
@NadimNaser
6 жыл бұрын
Hi there. Thanks for your question . There is a common misconception of how quickly and how much we have to turn after contact in order to generate our modern forehand. I won't be able to write it all here but at the end, it is all about the hitting zone and how effortless power is generated, regardless of stance. If a player has total control of their kinetic chain then the shoulders may very well open a bit sooner with an open stance but not to the detriment of the overall swing path of the hitting arm. In Gerardo's case here, he "throws" the shoulders around too soon and therefore doesn't use the kinetic chain sufficiently. That is partially the result of the grip structure he uses. Again, over rotation refers to the mistiming of the release of the shoulders during the uncoiling of the kinetic chain throughout the hitting zone. There is never really a reason to have your shoulders pointing all the way to the left fence (when you are a righty) immediately following contact, especially when you are in the middle of the court.
@robertbetke4043
6 жыл бұрын
Sensible and practical advice.
@transklutz
6 жыл бұрын
Nice forehand, Nadim.
@wongtim12
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I have the same issue, however I struggle to correct the grip especially when balls get higher and then it’s more comfortable with a full western. Is there a better way to ensure that during rallies, of varying balls heights, one can always find their way back to the semi western position?
@NadimNaser
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Tim. It is advised to play with the same grip throughout, if you ask me. Changing forehand grips may be the challenge in itself, although it is not unthinkable to do so. If you find yourself being able to control the higher balls better with a full western grip but are also able to go back to semi-western for your remaining forehands, then there is no need to change the grip. Check to see whether your hand's heel-pad is more than 0.5 bevels different than your index knuckle. In that event I would recommend working on your grip. If you are dealing with over rotation, try lengthening your hitting zone a bit more, especially when you are behind the baseline. Always try and swing up first before "over", even if the ball is high bouncing.
@michaelcannan1
6 жыл бұрын
Excellent video
@gilbertotaveira
6 жыл бұрын
Reaaly great tip!
@suadbyrouthy4624
6 жыл бұрын
I have noticed that all your shots were pointing inside out and it is ok. Is it the same for Thanks diagonal and inside out shots?
@NadimNaser
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Suad. If I understand you correctly, then yes, your swing is always inside-out. Whether you are hitting the ball cross-court, down-the-line or inside out. Let me know, if this answers your questions.
@Invinciblebass432
6 жыл бұрын
Brilliant!
@daviddinklage2751
6 жыл бұрын
Had this very problem with my grip, index knuckle in the right place for semi western but it was super extreme at heel pad, never understood because teachers would say check the grip and I would look at index knuckle and it seemed fine, one of your guys Ean Meyer straightens me out, thanks, took another month or 6 weeks to keep grip in the right place
@jugador1966
6 жыл бұрын
this getting back to the right grip during rallies is tough. you have to feel your way and it's distracting.
@NadimNaser
6 жыл бұрын
Glad you were able to make the adjustment in the end. Yes, a grip change can take some time, especially on the forehand. However, wouldn't you say that the change was worth it? I wish you continued success.
@jugador1966
6 жыл бұрын
nadeem i'm ever so grateful for your observations. in watching pro highlights, i now see the over-rotation of my swing. i had begun to catch the racquet, but now i will emphasise finishing square to the court. and i will do your exercises with a corrected grip. and i will get back to you. best regards and thanks again
@jugador1966
6 жыл бұрын
by the way, i found the video totally by chance...
@NadimNaser
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Gerardo. Please feel free to send me follow up videos once you have worked on your corrections. The finish in itself may adjust as you progress. What's important is that you give the grip change a fair shot and work on calming down your shoulders for now to lengthen your hitting zone without your shoulders pulling you to the left. Best of luck and we'll be in touch :)
@chtomlin
5 жыл бұрын
I guess we see over-rotation in Fed and Nadal swings too???
@benashley2955
6 жыл бұрын
pretty quiet audio
@NadimNaser
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Ben. Another gentleman also mentioned that. I have played this video on all my devices and the audio is super loud. Not sure about the settings and how to improve that? Anyone?
@mileni7
6 жыл бұрын
Lives in Kenya which is fantastic? As opposed to living anywhere else? :) Goona watch the video now :)
@jugador1966
6 жыл бұрын
living in kenya is fantastic, as opposed to living in many other places...
@NadimNaser
6 жыл бұрын
My way of speaking. Can be weird, I know. Just happy to see that our content is being watched everywhere. That's all. Take care
@tormaan9950
6 жыл бұрын
I watched a lot wideos about Federer's and Del Potro's forehand. As I can see they never miss the over rotation form the baseline. I know they don't use the western grip. Maybe that's why? Or just because they are 7.0 players?
@NadimNaser
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Torma. Thank you for your comment. The finish position we see on TV is not indicative of what happens immediately before, during and after contact. The pros are under immense force when they play - their game is super fast - and the have to unwind/release more than we do. However, the important fact is that over rotation refers to the posture immediately following contact, not at the end of the swing. If someone is fully open at the end of the swing but releases the shoulders at the correct time, it won't have a negative impact on the actual stroke. Hope that makes sense. The hitting zone needs to be long enough in order to keep over rotation from happening.
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