this is the type of conversation that make people annoyed at “the left” because it’s just common sense to understand that saying “women” in the context of abortion is referring to (biological)sex. Those few trans-men out there are not being called-out, ignored or attacked by someone speaking simply, by using the word “women.”
@REdds-ws4ll
3 жыл бұрын
43% of Women are anti abortion (pro life ), and 64% of women would like restrictions on abortions. And yet; abortion is always presented in the mainstream as a 'women's issue'; as if those women referenced above do not exist or count.
@K1forMVP
3 жыл бұрын
A trans women will never need to worry about getting or needing an abortion anyways because last time I checked men cannot get pregnant. And I dont care what hormones, injections etc anyone trans women is on they aren't growing ovaries and eggs AKA female reproductive organs in their lifetime.
@ncorp2668
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Gender ideology, by design, is predicated on removing sex from any conversation or space, so this is exactly why the T community acts as if "woman" needs to be erased from any dialogue about women's issues.
@ncorp2668
3 жыл бұрын
@@REdds-ws4ll It is a woman's issue, as only women require abortions. Just because some women don't agree doesn't make it not a women's rights issue.
@REdds-ws4ll
3 жыл бұрын
@@ncorp2668 That is a very disingenuous interpretation of the "women's rights" when it comes to abortion. When nearly half all women oppose it and about 2 in 3 would like to see abortions restricted. Your argument, would be akin to somebody 50 plus years ago saying 'war is a men's issue' as only men fight it. It would be absurd; just as your reasoning here.
@jaimhaas5170
3 жыл бұрын
This whole segment reminds me that rhetoric can be used to sound so smart but in reality is just word salad.
@alop9535
2 жыл бұрын
Kinda like an anus
@noahpaulog7617
2 жыл бұрын
That was Obama's whole schtick.
@mrjay1268
2 жыл бұрын
💯💯
@Bob-zd4od
2 жыл бұрын
Well said word salad exactly how Marxism works I call BS
@k.h.a.l.i.l.
2 жыл бұрын
@@noahpaulog7617 Obama is very plain spoken. you're confessing your stupidity.
@zachary_attackery
3 жыл бұрын
The party that "believes in science" also thinks men can menstruate
@frederf3227
3 жыл бұрын
They can, at least the tiny proportion that are biologically female but social-gender male. You understand how that works or you don't. Calling those that understand it unscientific is demonstrating your ignorance.
@zachary_attackery
3 жыл бұрын
@@frederf3227 There is no science that says men can menstruate.
@jenwalls7974
3 жыл бұрын
@@frederf3227 if born female then you are a female science
@kianis1206
2 жыл бұрын
@@frederf3227 smh your argument is purely semantics a play on words..We call people with vaginas women the sam sway we call animals with feathers and beak a bird..we use word to describe things we see hear In our reality..
@chrisbaker3066
2 жыл бұрын
@@zachary_attackery Your ignorance screams here old mate! You wouldn't dislike trans people at all would you???
@MrLewyboy
3 жыл бұрын
I cannot believe grown adults are having this conversation.
@ellenbienenfeld8430
3 жыл бұрын
Right??
@paulw3747
3 жыл бұрын
Lol... God help us all.
@user-microburst
2 жыл бұрын
True!!!! It goes without saying that the baby is the one that matters
@daddynanners3944
2 жыл бұрын
Because they aren't adults. They are adult-sized children.
@ANTIStraussian
2 жыл бұрын
@@user-microburst Not if the baby is going to kill my wife, by bleeding to death.
@DaleCarterDrives
3 жыл бұрын
The idiocy at the root of this entire conversation is just mind boggling.
@Nico_Conradie
3 жыл бұрын
Defying the laws of physics and nature lol, the power of make believe is magical
@marthacanady9441
3 жыл бұрын
Right. With all the legitimate problems out there in the world today, they are wasting time and brainpower discussing THIS? ABSURD. The only people in the WORLD talking about these issues are media types. Real people talk about real issues.
@mikitz
3 жыл бұрын
Just so that you know, from now on I want you all to call me Loretta.
@skyearl1816
3 жыл бұрын
Why are you guys commenting on this issue if it is a waste of time tho
@marthacanady9441
3 жыл бұрын
@@skyearl1816 Pulled it up to see what was on offer and saw that ridiculous subject. That’s why. I certainly didn’t listen to the whole thing after I heard the first moronic comments. It’s akin to listening to a serious discussion on whether or not aliens have abducted Biden’s brain. Oh, wait a minute maybe that is he only explanation.
@Dan_Capone
3 жыл бұрын
If "Two Spirit" is a Native American concept, wouldn't it be cultural appropriation if the white man starts using it? According to the woke narrative it should be. And also, it perpetuates the idea that women and men are fundamentally different (they have different spirits), instead of being just a learned and cultural convention, like the trans community says. When you try to warp the reality you fall into so many contradictions it's astounding.
@malcolmshane3039
3 жыл бұрын
Well said.
@awesomewxyz7083
3 жыл бұрын
Woke is their religion. It's bad one with little consistency.
@kamicam2988
3 жыл бұрын
dope comment. I was thinking the same
@starobservers9862
3 жыл бұрын
Every man was once a female in another life as female is the dominate common generic form of man. Feminine is nature and why we say mother. A man lives several lives and different states. The seman a powerful tool is utilized to raise the holy spirit up the spine or Kundalini. By not allowing a physical discharge then the energy is transferred and transmuted up the spine unlocking the tomb in the skull. Awaking God consciousness in himself. The woman is there to assist the man in his awaking from his deep sleep. He rests in Sabbath. Meaning is deep. Search law of one if you wish to understand more esoteric knowledge like this. For woman are like men and do this naturally without effort and gives life abundantly but man must transmute his energy and use it wisely or suffer pain and death. This common knowledge of two spirit preceded native Americans and were taught to them by the survivors of Atlantis who where white Caucasians. They brought agriculture and civilization to the uncivilized and guess what! They did not condemn any form of love for woman were the great teacher and holy spirit incarcerated as are men. We all are from an androgynous single sex spirit that has both polarities of male and female and we return to that spirit form after death. Only here are we divided by polarity and sex. All bodies will come together into one body including the gay and trans. They are part of you father
@kevindwelle1625
3 жыл бұрын
Basically If all parents would just teach their children empathy decency and respect for all people we wouldn't have these serious problems or issues in America...
@Athelite666
3 жыл бұрын
This whole conversation is ludicrous
@breadmoth6443
3 жыл бұрын
yep , we could be discussing how we could be further exploring space or something, but instead we are talking about nonsensical mental gymnastics about gender.
@advancedsettings9699
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@frederf3227
3 жыл бұрын
It's not ridiculous for the albeit small fraction of people this pertains to. It's a big deal for them. The shit they put up with on this front is not trivial, it's just rare. Like if they were ripping the arms off heterochromic siamese twins born on the third tuesday of every month... not a wide ranging issue but still an injustice.
@advancedsettings9699
3 жыл бұрын
@@frederf3227 I agree fully, but what we are witnessing is not the same
@Arthog627
3 жыл бұрын
@@frederf3227 you missed the point.
@trayvonparker4772
3 жыл бұрын
Dan is the type of man to make coffee for his wife’s boyfriend.
@mlondon1157
3 жыл бұрын
That has to win comment of the day 😂
@ashmoe_bangs7986
3 жыл бұрын
If you were trying to say Dan looks and sounds Gay, that’s because he is Gay. So he wouldn’t have a wife.
@gstar3569
3 жыл бұрын
He is what we on the right call a "beta orbiting soy boy".
@christinegreene1986
3 жыл бұрын
😆
@SupremeInvigilator
3 жыл бұрын
What is "make coffee" a gay euphemism for?
@alienkid
3 жыл бұрын
I literally just heard Two Spirit for the first time on this very youtube clip
@taycarroll1124
3 жыл бұрын
It originated from from Native American tribes to describe lgbt people. The more you know.
@SunDown.
3 жыл бұрын
That means you're ignorant on the subject.
@ncorp2668
3 жыл бұрын
It's a worthless, homophobic idea. No need to know about it. Two spirit was mostly in reference to gay men, and it implied they were less of men because of it. It's pro-gender roles.
@peepeepoopyhead510
3 жыл бұрын
Lucky you
@disciplewill7696
3 жыл бұрын
Same, I've heard of three Spirit before though.
@TornSoul062473
3 жыл бұрын
When I was a kid in school, they used to say: "We're all different, and have different ideologies and beliefs, but we set them aside for the common good." The common good. People don't talk like that any more. We sure could use that right now. It's almost as if we're going to need an extinction-level event to get us to stop arguing and work towards something together without taking sides.
@subodhsarin9098
3 жыл бұрын
Bad times make strong people, strong people make good times, axxholes like Dan Savage and Gillian Tett emerge during good times, guess where we are headed next?
@birdtower2801
3 жыл бұрын
That's exactly the one non-negotiable value: common good.
@Krndancedance
3 жыл бұрын
Common good? Isn't 'common' the root word for COMMUNISM?! But seriously, the mentality in America has no use for the 'common good' because unfortunately for too many people it boils down to 'screw you, I've got mine."
@TubesForNoobs
3 жыл бұрын
The common good? Lol I always love when people say common good and what that really means is the good of their own group, often times at the expense of others, separation is the only way to have unity. There are some values that will never be compromised and the sooner people realize that and voluntarily separate the better it will be.
@shcoky
3 жыл бұрын
The out is the ego
@lindalance2532
3 жыл бұрын
I am Native American. I am appalled. Two spirit? That’s just plain nuts!
@retalittlegeorge3067
3 жыл бұрын
I am native American. Twisted.
@AbcAbc-sp1od
2 жыл бұрын
@Linda Lance , But are you as native American as Elizabeth Warren?
@Sigueme1
2 жыл бұрын
Yes. The soul and the demon in the person . Two spirit 😂😂
@lizsalazar8808
2 жыл бұрын
Is two spirit a legitimately Native American concept? I’ve only heard it used by non Native Americans which makes me skeptical of the claim that two spirit some how represents transgenderism in Native American culture.
@zane62135
Жыл бұрын
@@lizsalazar8808 Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but based on what I've read, sometimes men were born who turned out to be a bit "feminine" - or "gay", as we call it it English. In some tribes, these people were called "two-spirited" and made to work with the women of the tribe. It's really not that radical or surprising.
@sianais
3 жыл бұрын
Anybody else scared about the sort of conversations we'll be seeing in ten years when this is the new baseline for normal?
@elirivera3880
3 жыл бұрын
2 late in some places it already is
@KRashad
5 ай бұрын
THAT PART
@Karmingiry
3 жыл бұрын
I live in a third world country and we all have ID for voting. How can a developed nation like the US not want voter ID? The rest of the convo had me lost 😅
@JonathanGarza16
2 жыл бұрын
Mee too, I could not believe it when I found out they don't have voter ID in every state
@lastarrmorris3123
2 жыл бұрын
The problem with voter ID is if you recently moved to a new state because of work, school or decided to relocate it takes a while for a state recognize that you live there. So if you moved to a new state in June and elections are in November you may not be able to vote because the state might not recognize you by then. This happens often to black Americans who move to another state let alone another county in that state
@Karmingiry
2 жыл бұрын
@@lastarrmorris3123 and it doesn't happen to white Americans? Anyway I'm just perplexed that America as a first world country can't solve such a simple problem. Is it very hard to have a national ID? Or why can't they use social security number?
@lastarrmorris3123
2 жыл бұрын
@@Karmingiry it is a a messed up system we do have a national ID but because of the fear of over voting they prefer that people vote in there own state, city and county. That way they can make sure people don't vote twice. Not to mention people don't even get a chance to vote due to voting hours, not enough voting machines voting machines breaking down. Our whole election system and it's process is messed up
@RollingCalf
2 жыл бұрын
@@lastarrmorris3123 isn't that what absentee ballots are for?
@WBKimmons
3 жыл бұрын
This whole discussion is just ridiculous
@anthonybrett
3 жыл бұрын
Yep!
@CamBlow
3 жыл бұрын
Dennis Prager talked about this (men menstruating) and Bill Mahr called him crazy. It was around a year ago.
@dannyarcher6370
2 жыл бұрын
@jon pork I don't understand. How can he be crazy if he predicted it? That would usually imply high levels of reason and rationality.
@boomerang8909
2 жыл бұрын
If that's the case, shouldn't Bill call Arnie's 1994 film Junior crazy?
@rohanjoshi379
2 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/p4ylz2GBj2h1bGU
@boomerang8909
2 жыл бұрын
KZitem.com/watch?v=FVoi-KV6D90&t=309s Firstly, there was a small population of trans-women in which Bill answered and has grown exponentially. Secondly, Prager quoted 'men can menstruate' as if more than 50% of men do. Thirdly, Prager still calls those who transition to women as men. Buddy Valastro was in trouble calling that and had to be educated by LGBTQ.
@boomerang8909
2 жыл бұрын
Fourthly, I may have missed it, but in this video, Dan initially talked about women transitioning to men, hence trans-men. The video with Prager was about the opposite direction.
@casinoman7704
2 жыл бұрын
Im not a liberal(thank God) but Bill Maher is the type of liberal I find myself agreeing with about 75% of the time. He has common sense and he isn't a nut case like the guy next to him. Keep pushing the trans stuff at us at the level you are now doing and Trump will be President again or someone just like him..
@AlexM-ht9ff
2 жыл бұрын
grow up and get over yourself
@karienrothmann9395
2 жыл бұрын
A nutcase? Whose nuts are u smoking?
@IsraelCountryCube
2 жыл бұрын
@@karienrothmann9395 degenerates can also females who knew? I always have good support for my evidence here.
@IsraelCountryCube
2 жыл бұрын
Hey I don’t care that you are atheist I only want you to have morals and values. There’s only morals and values no such thing as evil morals and values because I don’t have to say good along with morals and values those who are empathic truly and have suffered tremendously have morals and values along with ethical standards. That’s those three words are inherently good.
@gw593
2 жыл бұрын
Bill is what you call a “classic liberal” What you don’t like is the “radical left” the fringe. It’s not the majority. It’s a minority with a loud voice. Most people are actually in the middle. It’s called being reasonable.
@m.lhenderson5885
3 жыл бұрын
Someone started a lone clap during bill’s disagreement, you can just tell they looked around nervously and stopped
@terronisaac2098
3 жыл бұрын
I just caught that 😂 so awkward
@Be_reasonable101
3 жыл бұрын
This happens every show now. Everyone is afraid of cancel culture.
@Nathan-gd7xq
3 жыл бұрын
@@Be_reasonable101 what do you mean the person in the audience is afraid of cancel culture? Do you think they were worried about being escorted from the building and permanently banned?
@boblazer9220
3 жыл бұрын
He seems less and less connected to his crowd
@josiplilic3384
3 жыл бұрын
But that panel,was so "inspiring",that I had to go to bathroom.I remember people like Cornel West,late George Carlin,Tarantino ect,were coming to his show.Oh Bill🤕🤕🤕R.I.P. Norm MacDonald,with Leonard Cohen greatest Canadian ever(to me)
@marthacanady9441
3 жыл бұрын
This whole ludicrous discussion makes me realize that they are living in a parallel universe. theater of the absurd. Just think there are people taking all this in as serious. Scary.
@Nico_Conradie
3 жыл бұрын
Many of them. Many like Maher just pretend to for the money.
@samcharlie7724
2 жыл бұрын
I rewatched 3x and still don't get it. I studied biology and chemistry, and I'm still confused. Or is my brain blocking out information due to overload. Too much change!?
@therebellion6911
2 жыл бұрын
@@samcharlie7724 Your not the one that's confused. Dont worry about it.
@NaNa-lt1po
3 жыл бұрын
Abortion law.. and we end up arguing about spirits ?? Focus.. if you want to win this ..
@someperson9999
3 жыл бұрын
A part of me thinks it's too late because of the way all this crap is framed. Identity politics has made the progressive movement radioactive to the moderates that are needed to be won over.
@michalsiporski8967
3 жыл бұрын
Haha actually really good point xD
@josh18230
3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately the communist wing of your party is going to break up Democrats long before Republicans ever see that type of rift.
@claiminglight
3 жыл бұрын
@@someperson9999 Count me in on that. I was punk in high school. I still am. But a chunk of the world went total psycho, redrew the whole spectrum, and now 'not-crazy' is moderate by default.
@LazarheaD
3 жыл бұрын
Bill should call out this. WTF is with the spirits talk? Is the left now more religious and anti-science than the right?
@rachelobrien9660
3 жыл бұрын
0 seconds ago It’s incorrect to generalize the belief of two-spirited to all Native Americans. Some tribes do believe this and have for generations. Many tribes DO NOT incorporate two-spirited people into their beliefs, and have strong ideals about the roles of men and women. It’s a part of their culture and they recognize that men and women are created by God differently to serve an equally important role. I feel many people use natives as a way to push their own political and personal agendas, particularly in this area, without really understanding the native people and their beliefs. What he is stating is misleading and fundamentally false.
@low_vibration
3 жыл бұрын
They're racist so all tribes are the same to them
@Jaserocks2
3 жыл бұрын
It's a perversion of what two spirit means. Just like the greek concept of anima and animus.
@martinacosta3821
2 жыл бұрын
But still, regarless if it is just part that incorparate that word, it is a native word, isnt? So they are still right
@rachelobrien9660
2 жыл бұрын
@@martinacosta3821 It is a generalization of Native Americans. So it is incorrect.
@martinacosta3821
2 жыл бұрын
@@rachelobrien9660 yes and no, regarless of generalization it is still a native saying, what else were they gonna say?
@TheOldWeigh
3 жыл бұрын
Love my Two Spirited friends. Brandy and Whiskey.
@mahikiya0663
3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@ogbuzzy1974
3 жыл бұрын
I'm a life long conservative, and Bill hit this one on the head. The tone of this is what pisses people are.
@xaspirate8060
3 жыл бұрын
And it has never been so distinct as it is right now with these hard Left pols plus Squad Gals and a Dem party that is way too far left. So condescending so often = sickening. That being said, in many ways so many of the basic Alt-Right types had it coming.
@jleisner1974
3 жыл бұрын
Just because Bill SAYS there's a tone, that doesn't make it true, and complaints about tone can fuck off and to the left- especially from Conservatives. Bill showed us that fear of learning something new LOOKS as ignorant as it sounds. "I'm open to learning new things, but it has to be done in a tone that's pleasing to me" is about as Boomer as it gets.
@stevenp2309
3 жыл бұрын
It is sad though that ppl are willing to vote against their own self interests just because they don't like the tone of a message.
@josh18230
3 жыл бұрын
It's not the tone, it's a lack of reality and insanity, as well as the fact that it completely breaks society that bothers conservatives. I'm not going to go around checking people's pro nouns, I'm not going to call a woman a man or vice versa if I know who they are, it's just not going to happen. I don't care what tone you use to try to get me to change my mind, you'll get the same response.
@candyjohnson3302
3 жыл бұрын
What pisses rethugliKKKons off is that they can’t control EVERYONE.
@oneirishpoet
3 жыл бұрын
One of the few times I agree with Bill Maher, Democrats should not make a huge deal of these trans issues when there are much more important things to be focused on
@brianloper6669
2 жыл бұрын
What? Why not? Why not direct this ay Republicans who have introduced hundreds of bills restricting trans rights in this country just this year?
@jcolinmizia9161
2 жыл бұрын
There’s an old phrase: don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Yes, trans people should be included in the issues, but don’t let being completely inclusive derail the abortion debate.
@itbizint611
2 жыл бұрын
I've never seen a minority so small hijack every issue with such ease as trans people do. Maybe billionaires...
@patriciamartine5410
2 жыл бұрын
The democrats are likely to lose the election to a MAGA maggot over this trans nonsense. They need to fight to win with issues that are actually important.
@criswebb7470
2 жыл бұрын
Trans issues affect SUCH a tiny minority of people ... but they get a ridiculous amount of play from Dems using them as, like ... idk, virtue signaling? It's annoying. I feel like it's very alienating to people too because if you're not 100% Woke about every little thing they act like you're a troglodyte that needs to stay in your cave come voting time. No wonder Roe got overturned.
@iamtheowl9631
2 жыл бұрын
The fact that this conversation just happened is exactly why I'm voting Republican for the first time in my life next election. I just can't anymore.
@casbot71
3 жыл бұрын
A better argument for AOC would be it also affects men in that _men (and teenage boys) are forced to become fathers due to contraceptive failure._
@drsnova7313
3 жыл бұрын
I would say it's good to point out that it also affects trans men, because that's rarely in the conversation of it, but yes, you are right, that is also a good point.
@si91
3 жыл бұрын
An important corollary to this is that abortion denies men and teenage boys who want to become fathers the opportunity to do so, because they get no choice in the matter of the abortion. Conversely, men who don't want to become fathers are still forced to pay child support whether they wanted the pregnancy or not. Thus women's "reproductive rights" are actually a male issue, because women get all the choice, and men get none, but they do get obligation.
@MikeyDiL
3 жыл бұрын
@@si91 wow...lots of male toxicity in this comment 🙄
@MikeyDiL
3 жыл бұрын
@@si91 😉 well done sir or ma'am (wouldn't want to assume your gender). But do note, the left will not do well with your logic. They will shift the argument to women's rights. But conveniently leave out 2/3 of the story. The child's right and the father's rights.
@MrRecrute
3 жыл бұрын
@@MikeyDiL, an embryo or a foetus is not a child, it’s forming into a child. Get educated.
@mtkoslowski
3 жыл бұрын
Oh, FFS. Enough with all the politically correct *DOUBLESPEAK.* Will every normal person stand with me please?
@ridetillidie8090
3 жыл бұрын
Can you define 'normal' for us?
@jonathanmol4489
3 жыл бұрын
I thought normal was just a cycle on my washing machine?
@Rayzersword
3 жыл бұрын
If you think there's such a thing as a normal person, you are severely undereducated. You clearly don't understand anything about Orwell, so please stop using words coined by him incorrectly.
@974724
3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Rayzersword
3 жыл бұрын
Just so you know, the bad guys of 1984, I.e. the ones who used "doublespeak", outlawed homosexuality. If they existed, they would be on your side.
@DrStrangeBrew
3 жыл бұрын
When Dan Savage was explaining the rules. I felt like I was listening to a dungeon master making up arbitrary rules that we're going to change as the journey went on.
@noktilux4052
3 жыл бұрын
In trying to come up with a good analogy a little earlier, that is pretty much exactly what came to mind.
@benp4877
3 жыл бұрын
Yep
@charlenejohnson309
3 жыл бұрын
@@benp4877 Ignorance about politics and failure to understand the negative ramifications of laws that affect one segment of society significantly that are being introduced and passed by groups that represent self-interest seem to be connected. Wait til these unwanted, forced pregnancies begin to impact your small world due to death of pregnant women, issues of bleeding or death due to nontreatment of incomplete spontaneous abortions, death/neglect of unwanted children and criminalization of those who support women who want to terminate pregnancy. Gloat now. If this isn't turned around, you won't be prepared when even more rights are erased overnight and sanctioned by a less than stellar Supreme Court. You are not safe from unfettered political power.
@user-co9jn6ec8n
3 жыл бұрын
@@charlenejohnson309 Just take a red pill and you don’t have to worry about all the mental illness on the left
@charlenejohnson309
3 жыл бұрын
@@user-co9jn6ec8n Your chosen KZitem name says it all. You can't get pregnant, you have no right forcing strangers to have babies.
@olipop84
3 жыл бұрын
These guys are ridiculous. Props to Bill Maher, who is trying to shine light on it.
@rogerrogerson1232
3 жыл бұрын
What a joke segment that was
@Nico_Conradie
3 жыл бұрын
Feels like a Monty Python skit. or something out of South Park
@dfwherbie8814
3 жыл бұрын
There’s so few transmen and even fewer who want to get pregnant. Including them when talking about a mostly woman issue reminds me of the “all lives matter” response to BLM
@nicolecorry2418
3 жыл бұрын
That's exactly how I thought of it when listening.
@DrakonR
3 жыл бұрын
All lives do matter.
@zeffey212
3 жыл бұрын
@@DrakonR Except yours.
@DrakonR
3 жыл бұрын
@@zeffey212 We know. No room for white lives for today's progressives. Lol.
@LoneWulf278
3 жыл бұрын
Good point. 🤔
@CactusThorn
3 жыл бұрын
Weren’t women chattel in most Native American tribes? And wasn’t Sacajawea won in a card game? Maybe two spirits wasn’t a such a complement back in the day. Maybe it’s just being reinvented for some pretend kumbaya new age malarkey.
@ncorp2668
3 жыл бұрын
It was invented in the 90s and it was highly homophobic and upheld rigid gender roles... so yes, you're on point.
@CactusThorn
3 жыл бұрын
@@ncorp2668 1990s? I was thinking more like 1890s or even 1790s! Too funny.
@stephenvierling2287
2 жыл бұрын
The fact that this conversation is taking place makes me have less hope for society. The fact that there are people that think men can be women and vice versa is scary.
@AlexM-ht9ff
2 жыл бұрын
learn science, bigot
@IsraelCountryCube
2 жыл бұрын
Time to kill some!
@stephenvierling2287
2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexM-ht9ff I would say everyone on this panel needs to learn science.
@lucasharvey8990
2 жыл бұрын
@@stephenvierling2287 Well I would say that you need to face the facts, since your science is wrong. What you've got under your pants isn't the only thing that determine gender. Imagine the manliest guy you can, like Arnold Schwartzeneggar or whatever, then imagine they had a vagina. They'd then fall in the murky waters of somewhere in between male and female - where they have all the characteristics of being a man, but they don't have the male sex organ. So what do you call them then? Man? Woman? It's a really unnerving question for those who do face these sorts of problems. These people often force themselves to pick a side and if they have money they can go through surgery to make it a little more "official." Others don't pick a side, and just decide to stay in-between. This is happening to millions of people throughout the Western World, and it is woefully irresponsible and childish to pretend they are all nutcases or whatever. You should take them seriously instead of belittling them. If you woke up tomorrow and what you've got under your pants magically got switched to the opposite, then how would you handle it? Would you still be guy, or would you be a woman then?
@theplaylister
3 жыл бұрын
And to think that menopausal women never ever even thought of demanding that people say "SOME women menstruate, not all". Since the dawn of time, they would hear about menstruation and just knew it doesn't apply to them without being offended.
@umwha
3 жыл бұрын
Bump
@carlyav00
2 жыл бұрын
Iconic point
@MerryClark
2 жыл бұрын
exactly. I don’t see postmenopausal women going out and starting their own identity group but I’m sure there is one they’re just not yelling that loud
@Nofurtherquestions
2 жыл бұрын
because post menopausal women are still women. only men get offended as they feel threatened
@criswebb7470
2 жыл бұрын
SWISH. It's because they're not self-obsessed dudes.
@sterlingforbes3872
3 жыл бұрын
You know the left has gone extreme, when Bill himself is like WTF???
@rp7773
3 жыл бұрын
Overton windows shift over time - by nowadays' standards, Bill is comfortably centre-left (if not centrist) tbh
@o77eh
3 жыл бұрын
@@rp7773 He is pro-DNC, so center is as left as he can go. No liberals exist in either Right wing party.
@dangerousdiscourse
3 жыл бұрын
@@o77eh I'd say 30-40% of the right wing, would have been considered liberal 10 years ago..
@o77eh
3 жыл бұрын
@@dangerousdiscourse Who? The DNC stopped being a liberal party in 1976. Bernie Sanders and AoC sure, but they then betrayed their constituents. I can't think of anyone else I would describe as Liberal.
@dangerousdiscourse
3 жыл бұрын
@@o77eh .. u said there are no liberals in the right wing, i said there is. Then you said the left have no liberals, arnt u agreeing with me?
@jeremygibson565
3 жыл бұрын
Dan savage thinks he’s brilliant. At least someone does.
@cooldrop02
3 жыл бұрын
Smarter than you. And I didn't even agree with everything he said here. ;p
@BarbaPamino
3 жыл бұрын
@@cooldrop02 do you know this Jeremy fella from somewhere else or are you basing it on one comment on KZitem? Even still. It's not a prerequisite to be brilliant yourself in order to recognize someone else isn't. Any more than it is a pretty be a phenomenal athlete in order to gauge that a professional athlete isn't all that exceptional compared to his or her peers. Dan Savage is a professional opinion giver and in that realm of opinion givers he's pretty low on the list. He'll be easily forgotten about by future generations and nothing he ever said or wrote will matter. Thus, he's not brilliant.
@cooldrop02
3 жыл бұрын
@@BarbaPamino Well, based on the comment itself, he seems pretty simple. To comment on someone else's intelligence when they are the ones speaking eloquently, and also not conveying any ill will towards anyone as they do so, wow simultaneously giving concise information that is true in fact checkable, is indicative of someone with a low IQ. Because I know this gentleman does not know Dan in person. He doesn't know that person.
@cooldrop02
3 жыл бұрын
@@BarbaPamino They also made an assumption that he, the person speaking, thinks that he is something. That goes far beyond reading someone's comment, which is an action, and goes into the realm of being a mind reader. Which is something no human is capable of. Which, again, is indicative of someone with a low IQ. Also someone with an inability to self-reflect. Thank you for your candor homie.
@cooldrop02
3 жыл бұрын
@@BarbaPamino because if we're talking about the topic at hand. He didn't give an opinion. He gave an undeniable fact of the reality that is what the tweet itself referenced. If you can't comprehend that then, that's on you. If you think he is not brilliant cool. However I said that he is smarter than him. So you can argue against a strong man that both of you seem to want to hump, together.
@estill273
2 жыл бұрын
I’m sure Mr. Savage levitated off of the stage when the show was over. Neanderthal actions like walking have to be beneath his enlightened sensibilities.
@SparkyKev
3 жыл бұрын
The audience feeling too scared to laugh… I felt that.
@xaspirate8060
3 жыл бұрын
I think Dan had a lot of his people in the crowd tonight.
@itsmeprasad1987
3 жыл бұрын
It’s almost a taboo… to talk about
@CorneliusCody
3 жыл бұрын
Or the audience realizes that it’s not something you claro about? It’s a deep, complex issue. Sometimes, listening and supporting is the appropriate response.
@itsmeprasad1987
3 жыл бұрын
@Cornelius Cody yep… you are right
@jamesmccallum6770
3 жыл бұрын
Bill always makes his audience scarred that they won't laugh at the right time, or whether they should be clapping instead of laughing. You can see it in all his shows now and it's become very distracting.
@politicalorphan
3 жыл бұрын
"Don't talk politics with me, just talk." Awesome
@josh18230
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that is one thing people have forgotten how to do if they have gotten into that rabbit hole, I'm guilty of it as well.
@pro-choicemom
3 жыл бұрын
You're asking people to reason with bigots, racist, religious lunatics& misogynists. I live among them...they're irredeemable. You try talking to my moron neighbors.
@politicalorphan
3 жыл бұрын
@@pro-choicemom no, we suggest you talk to them. If you truly believe that you're surrounded by people who think the way you've described, then maybe you're the problem, and not so much them
@pro-choicemom
3 жыл бұрын
@@politicalorphan Of course, people who want to take away civil rights from my gay friends & family- oh they're such sweethearts. People who think the gov't should force women & girls to remain pregnant against their will are wonderful. Gtfoh. These morons think evolution shouldn't be taught in schools. Bill Maher & the other idiots going around claiming we have to be nice to bigots really aren't talking to the Trump cultists who have shoot to kill signs on their front yards. They talk to rich conservatives or people who just want tax cuts. He doesn't talk to the scum people that live in red states.
@pro-choicemom
3 жыл бұрын
@@politicalorphan It's amazing bigots must be listened to but those fighting against them are the problem. You're a real POS.
@bobjames1992
3 жыл бұрын
This level of inclucivity in language is getting out of hand. The group's we all have to account for are getting more and more with fewer and fewer members. One day this will reduce down to groups the size of one and we shall all start to treat everyone as an individual. What a novel idea.
@gavinm4466
3 жыл бұрын
You’re spot on💯
@markdouglas1601
3 жыл бұрын
Jordan Peterson makes this point. The logical conclusion of intersectionality is the individual.
@alienkid
3 жыл бұрын
It's gonna a evolve into everyone just calling each other by their name🤣
@Ameborl
3 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha true
@vaibhavmukherjee9830
3 жыл бұрын
@Mahi Bhai thats kinda dumb. Thats how it was before the periodic table, but separating them into more classes is better for society. It doesn't hurt anyone really. And I'm not saying that unknowingly misgendering someone is an issue but if someone tells you what they want you to call them, just listen to them.
@greendemon905
2 жыл бұрын
Using that "two spirit" thing sounds A LOT like Cultural Appropriation
@tonyrock5313
3 жыл бұрын
it's also a family issue. An extra child or fetus that will be disabled will be a burden on some families.
@ridetillidie8090
3 жыл бұрын
That's why I've been advocating physical, genetic, mental and monetary screening prior to being GRANTED a license to breed, since the 70s. Makes me the bad guy but just think if we started ignoring the idiot religious and made sure people were capable of having and raising children?
@GiarkReleos
3 жыл бұрын
@@ridetillidie8090 your Fascism is not welcome here, that is why conservatives are going the way of the Dodo bird. Facts Matter !!
@tonyrock5313
3 жыл бұрын
@@ridetillidie8090 What are you a damn Nazi!?You are one step from the practice of killing the ,what you call, the undesirable.
@breadmoth6443
3 жыл бұрын
@@ridetillidie8090 so.... you are pro - eugenics - since that is essentially what eugenics is.
@ridetillidie8090
3 жыл бұрын
@@breadmoth6443 Wow. Thanks for proving my point. NO, I am not. I am pro-responsible breeding instead of random irresponsible breeding, as is anyone with the ability to critically use logic and reason. In other words, pretty much nobody in this thread. I can tell you are unable to wrap your head around the idea and come to logical, reasoned conclusions, so, I'll just stop here and let you wriggle around in your cheetos thinking you're clever.
@OceanluvOC
3 жыл бұрын
Never heard of two spirit until now 🤷🏼♀️
@hustler3of4culture3
3 жыл бұрын
@@stepfaniehawkins205 but it was like a third gender, no?
@twiztedsynz
3 жыл бұрын
@@hustler3of4culture3 Some tribes consider Two Spirit a 'third gender', yeah. It's basically one body but both male/female spirits in that one body. IMO it could blanket term not just Trans people but Gender Fluid people as well since the only difference between the two is Gender Fluid don't normally have the horrible dysphoria that Trans people sometimes have. We acknowledge we're a "base" gender, but we've also feelings and sensations of the other as well.
@hustler3of4culture3
3 жыл бұрын
@@twiztedsynz yeah that was essentially my understanding. Thank you for clarifying.
@hustler3of4culture3
3 жыл бұрын
@@twiztedsynz did two spirit people usually take the role of shaman? That's another thing I heard long ago, but I'm no longer sure if that's true.
@josh18230
3 жыл бұрын
Congratulations for never looking at Twitter, reddit, or Tumblr then.
@clootscalhoun9481
3 жыл бұрын
As someone who is very pro-choice, I totally agree that the main issue is that women’s access to abortions is being threatened. I think this whole issue with preposterous wording takes away from the main issue to satisfy a small number of social justice warriors who are more interested in getting the exact intersectional adjectives right.
@cobes11
3 жыл бұрын
Very pro-choice? Does that mean that you are also on-board with the growing support for a woman to be able to choose “post-birth abortion”?
@MMAGamblingTips
3 жыл бұрын
@@cobes11 Lol there is no such thing. You can’t murder a child after giving birth to it. I mean, where do you come up with these things? No doctor is going to perform such an act.
@aarons.2180
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. And now trying to make it look like abortion is a topic about transsexuality… to everyone who might have an on the fence position about it, it‘s going to be so much more relatable now, of course.
@christinebenson518
3 жыл бұрын
@INevaFreeze That's untrue, half of women who get abortions were using other forms of contraception that failed. Fun fact: most abortions are natural aka miscarriages that happen before a woman knows she's pregnant.
@jeffreysytsma6541
3 жыл бұрын
@@christinebenson518 Unless the woman purposely miscarried, I don't see how you can equate that to aborting the baby, as aborting is an action one purposely takes.
@Anythingelse125
3 жыл бұрын
I love how only the elites on tv (on both sides) talk about how “divided” we are, yet almost every average person I know has multiple friends with lots of different political opinions and they get along just fine. At this point I’m convinced every celebrity and tv personality is just rooting for this “divide” by talking about it constantly
@alejandrorivera6122
2 жыл бұрын
it could be, but we also have to consider that talking in a friendly environment is radically distinct to conduct an idea into the political sphere.
@iamkatdali1961
2 жыл бұрын
Omg yes I said this too when I deleted social media I noticed how no body ever is triggered in real life and acts pretty rational it seems to only be on social media
@5amiann
2 жыл бұрын
Lucky you. Millions are tribalized.
@Raptor302
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, because that's how they make their money.
@BryonLetterman
2 жыл бұрын
You're exactly right. I voted for Trump twice and my girlfriend didn't vote for him. She voted for Hillary and then Biden. But we're still great
@HorrorBorealis
3 жыл бұрын
Love how the trans are trying to erase women and female experiences. so inclusive and feminist!
@v-town1980
2 жыл бұрын
Love how feminists and females ignore the misandristic agenda most of their so-called justices include. What a bunch of entitled, unhappy schmucks.
@HorrorBorealis
2 жыл бұрын
@@v-town1980 say it again in english this time.
@marklewen9384
3 жыл бұрын
" its getting to the point where you cant call them chicks with dix anymore....you have to call them GUYS, who talk too much"- a jeselnik
@patmyles4776
3 жыл бұрын
We nearly always talk about Native Americans as if they were all one tribe. There were hundreds of tribes with diverse cultures.
@xaspirate8060
3 жыл бұрын
Right. And many of them did not get along with the other tribes. That is something that will not be brought up in History class for a long , long time.
@tafike22
3 жыл бұрын
Just like there are countless white cultures, black culture, Latino cultures, etc. White doesn't mean white. Black doesn't mean black. We may have differences, but we are all children of a greater power. We are all special in our own way, but that uniqueness does not mean we get to control others. Stand up. Show all that we accept everyone. But no one deservers to control us all. We all have a voice, but we must be willing to speak honestly. Even if is in despite of what we believe. Only when we let go of being selfish can we stand together. My beliefs see us all as children of GOD. Your beliefs may differ. That is ok, but we can agree that we all came from somewhere, and that somewhere is greater than ourselves. Let go of your own self interest, and let us find and become what we are supposed to be.
@TheColdplay200
3 жыл бұрын
@@xaspirate8060 And an even longer for when we talk about how many tribes had slavery. It's almost as if human beings aren't perfect on every fucking spectrum. Regardless, history isn't looking for friends. Usually at the bowling alley with its pal logic. Those guys and their routine.
@jhitchcock5503
3 жыл бұрын
Same thing with Africa. We act like it's just a country but it's three times the size of the United States with a vast array of cultures that speak hundreds of different languages.
@josh18230
3 жыл бұрын
They also owned slaves, wiped out entire tribes, and killed animals. The entire narrative of the noble savage perpetuated by the left wing is a false idea, as well as the entire history of the colonists versus the natives to begin with
@ippolit23
3 жыл бұрын
It’s dawning on Bill he’s been on the wrong side of the fence for most of the time.
@reznof2011
2 жыл бұрын
You can see how worried he is about saying something they won’t like.
@praketak47
2 жыл бұрын
@@reznof2011 It's empathy, sensitivity. He wants to be more informed. He is not afraid to be 100% strong worded when needed.
@bernadettebockis4120
3 жыл бұрын
'Two spirit' is a term used by Native Americans. They don't prefer it's use as trans. It is to distinguish First Nations people from Non-Native people.
@paulmicheldenverco1
3 жыл бұрын
I'm not saying "I told you so", I just thought I'd share this in the spirit of helping us know facts about things we didn't know about five minutes ago. Two-Spirit is a modern, pan-Indian, umbrella term used by some Indigenous North Americans to describe Native people in their communities who fulfill a traditional third-gender ceremonial and social role in their cultures. Wikipedia
@breadmoth6443
3 жыл бұрын
1950s: "Wow I bet in 60 years or so, we will be colonizing the moon!" 2020s: "I don't know what gender I am, and I am non-conforming 2 spirit, non-binary person of color, transracial - unicorn..."
@SilentMott
2 жыл бұрын
Sad truth, we used to look at the stars, now all we do is stare at the mirror.
@breadmoth6443
2 жыл бұрын
@@SilentMott what you are describing is decadence and self-importance - every period in history has had it, but it hasn't been so pronounced as today I suppose. We have all this potential, instead - we are listening to a segment of population that is literally 1% or less, and indulging in their stupidity/fantasies. There is a reason why I agree with the addage: "lunatics running the asylum."
@Deathdemort
3 жыл бұрын
Its worth mentioning that the term “two-spirit” is actually not non-controversial amongst the Indigenous either. People keep saying the idea of the gender spectrum and fluidity has always been with humanity and that we should get over it, but the truth is a LOT more complicated than that. Its not that easy to willy nilly compare cultural phenomena from very different cultures who hold differing axioms. Talk about freaking cultural appropriation. This is just using Indigenous cultures (for there are many) for the political stock of a nasty section of the far-left.
@melsop54
3 жыл бұрын
They don't expect their base to do an ounce of research like this tho. They simply say the sky is green, and it is unquestionably green from that point on. They say the ground doesn't exist, and the ground just ceases to exist at that moment for them. That's the mindset of the "vote blue no matter who". There's no thinking, no growing, no individual ideas. You vote one color, forever. Quite creepy and definitionally cult like.
@tharveytucker1
3 жыл бұрын
What are you talking about? Two spirit people have been around for ages. That’s just fact. It’s non controversial because it’s a thing, whether you or some natives like it or not. There are many other cultures who have similar non binary genders. There’s no appropriation here. I don’t see anyone claiming to be two spirited who isn’t native. The whole reason it’s pointed out is two fold. One, it’s been a thing here in the americas since the beginning- so it’s not new. Which many are freaking out over trans people as though it’s some new thing. Two, nearly all cultures have a form of non binary gender(s) in their culture. Some may not be welcoming to it, but it’s still a thing.
@noktilux4052
3 жыл бұрын
@@tharveytucker1 Can you give me some statistics and be precise about which native people? My people in my part of what is now called Canada don't have this tradition. Which tribe are you part of?
@imam14ma3soom1994
2 жыл бұрын
@@tharveytucker1 We all know that. Even without the native American culture, we already knew that some women had male characteristics (tomboy) and the other way around (metrosexual). These terms have been around in our culture as well. What IS new however, is that having these qualities suddenly affect which gender you are. Or there being a third gender. Scientifically, there is no basis for non-binarity. There's intersex, but those people (and their genitals) usually lean either towards one sex or the other. There's also trans, but here you identify as a person with the opposite sex. Other cultures might have different conceptions in how they perceive genders but most people are not familiar with them. Which is normal.
@yukisuperstylish
2 жыл бұрын
@@noktilux4052 the guy in the video didn’t even give Bill his resources nor the tribe lol
@davidrichardson5482
2 жыл бұрын
As a gay person I couldn't be less happy than Dan Savage has been elected by himself to presume to speak on my behalf
@maskedmarvyl4774
3 жыл бұрын
"Trans two-spirit nonbinary". Do you want that as a soy latte?
@bentalaska4920
3 жыл бұрын
The irony of this segment is that Dennis Prager was laughed off when he brought up ‘men can menstruate’ 2 years ago. And now they’re having a serious discussion about it.
@ncorp2668
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, that is unfortunate. And Ronan Farrow laughed it off too (in the segment you're talking about), only to imply soon after that JK Rowling was transphobic for saying women menstruate
@rogerrogerson1232
3 жыл бұрын
I know. What a crazy nut bag, tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist. (maybe Dennis Prager and Niki Minaj should get a room together the right wing white supremasits) /s
@almuhaarib
3 жыл бұрын
Fucking this.
@greglinsmythe3375
3 жыл бұрын
Women menstruate, men don’t.
@a526003b
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely hilarious! So true!
@Notalloldpeople
3 жыл бұрын
Why frame an argument about a law which adversely affects 1000 of pregnant women about a very small percentage of people who don’t identify as women but could get pregnant? You will turn off more much needed support than you gain in the pursuit of purity politics. A better argument would be about the impact it has i men as well as the carriers of the pregnancy
@a526003b
3 жыл бұрын
Bingo! Been saying this for YEARS
@TheFeldhamster
3 жыл бұрын
This should be emphasized more. Eg. the husband or boyfriend who loses his wife / girlfriend because doctors needed to wait with abortion in health related cases. Because look at that law, if it's "only" really high risk, that's not enough to allow the abortion. The woman needs to be basically croaking right now. And these cases end up often enough like the case in Ireland which then started their shift towards allowing abortions. I'm European, I've actually known what two spirit is since the early 90s because I have LGBTQ people in my family and they were pretty activist, so they knew a lot about other culture's concepts of being trans etc. But I think framing it this way was a tactical mistake by AOC. Those that still need convincing that this law is bad need to identify with the people it will hurt. They need to think "uh, this could happen to myself / my family". These folks typically pretend trans or enby people don't exist or are mentally ill. You don't win them over this way, you scare them off. It's bad advertising and a bad argument. It's a tactical mistake, even though what she said is totally factually correct. And even though how Bill reacted to it was just stupid. He should have ripped her for making the argument badly, not played pretend dumb about not knowing how trans men can still have a uterus and uuuh, he's such an ally but "what is this silly two spirit stuff". Like he doesn't have the resources to have someone research it for him for the show. Not a good look, Bill.
@hopedamon7116
3 жыл бұрын
I, for one, am tired of coddling men and Bible thumpers. I'm not here to educate you. I'm here for my constitutional rights, Dammit! Bible thumpers don't want these things taught in school. They don't want to be educated on sex and different lifestyles. They don't want real history to be taught. So I say, stay ignorant. But don't fuck with others people's right.
@a526003b
3 жыл бұрын
@@hopedamon7116 what constitutional rights are you speaking of? I’m an atheist however I’m not interested in being “educated” about “menstruating people” and child birth. Let’s start at the beginning… are gender and sex independent of each other? If so then I couldn’t care less about your gender. This entire subject is where “the party of science” goes full anti-biology.
@Illlium
3 жыл бұрын
You boys ever heard a magical thing called contraception? Abortion should be legal only if paternity surrender is also legal.
@smisanko
3 жыл бұрын
"The founding fathers would be canceled for good reasons? Dude, they put forth the best effort for individual liberty and justice that They could at the time with the norms of the era. Perfect by their own or even our standards? No. But sure as shit better than anything you could ever achieve. They fought and defeated the greatest military of the time and developed a thriving nation for generations to come. If you win this culture war, congrats. You'll be noted in history as one of the rare humans who achieves much by moving us backwards.
@ivanvoronov3871
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, the fact that as a gay man his rights are protected by law is because of the founding father's
@deerobinson557
3 жыл бұрын
@@ivanvoronov3871 You two are a perfect examples of how bad schools are in America. The founding fathers were not trying to give anyone freedom, unless you were a white guy who owned land. They didn't even give white woman freedom to have a voice in this country.
@deerobinson557
3 жыл бұрын
Stefan Paul Misanko, how did the founding fathers do their best for individual liberty, when they excluded everyone who wasn't a white man. Almost all Native tribes gave their women every right that a man had. Women were the head of the household in most tribes, they had a voice in government, and no one in the tribe tried to tell their women how to think or act period. Oh and the founding father's stole the way our government was set up, from the Iroquois Nation.
@deerobinson557
3 жыл бұрын
@@ivanvoronov3871 the founding fathers would have put to death anyone they thought was gay.
@DominicNJ73
3 жыл бұрын
@@deerobinson557 You should stop learning history from Twitter and Tumblr, you're embarrassing yourself with your complete lack of understanding of the issues and hurdles the founding father's went through to achieve what they did. For instance, the majority of them wanted to disallow slavery in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution but they were blocked by the southern colonies, so they had to negotiate and agreed to visit the issue of slavery after the Revolutionary War and the ratifying of the Constitution.
@starwarsstuff8098
3 жыл бұрын
You can tell Bill really wants to smack that guy lol
@raminMTL
3 жыл бұрын
What
@Killswitch1411
3 жыл бұрын
Who wouldn't?? Guy is unbearable.
@Oxbloodmage
3 жыл бұрын
What that guy should point out is that bill does what aoc is doing all the time on other issues. He's constantly scolding and intentionally alienating people. 🤷
@Nigerian_Papi
3 жыл бұрын
@@Killswitch1411 nah he’s chill, I think bill was just kinda frustrated cause he wasn’t addressing his point
@hyacinthlynch843
3 жыл бұрын
@@Killswitch1411 So was the audience.
@dtchinacat3973
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with Bill: it's "Mainly" a Women's issue. The percentage of Trans that this would effect is "SO LOW" it's a "Biological Women's" issue!
@hustler3of4culture3
3 жыл бұрын
Trans men are biological women
@BenDover-ij7yp
3 жыл бұрын
I don't think it's a women's issue at it's core, because the question at it's core is, up to what point development and under what circumstances, is it ok, to end the life of the fetus? Almost no one believes in abortions up to childbirth.
@collydub1987
3 жыл бұрын
@@hustler3of4culture3 so you see absolutely no difference between a female who was born with a uterus, and a pre op trans person who was born male?
@thelaughingfoxx
3 жыл бұрын
Saying that it’s a women’s issue is still true! Doesn’t that include trans men?? Why the fuck are we offended by this?
@hustler3of4culture3
3 жыл бұрын
@@collydub1987 that's not what this is about.
@reliancepropertyservices8288
3 жыл бұрын
I thought transgender was somebody who was trapped in the wrong body. 1 soul in the wrong body, the fact the definitions change all the time on this subject is enough for me to call bullshit.
@shadbakht
3 жыл бұрын
What about women who are over 50? They’re not “menstruating people”.
@jennifersadler4870
3 жыл бұрын
If a person is not menstruating, they will not need an abortion because they cannot get pregnant.
@jhitchcock5503
3 жыл бұрын
@@jennifersadler4870 and yet we're still women. I don't care who AOC is I don't want her degrading me or my daughters by calling them menstruating people. They are women and so am I, even without my uterus, because I have two X chromosomes.
@michalsiporski8967
3 жыл бұрын
@@jhitchcock5503 Exactly. This is ridiculous what is going on. If being male or female is determinated by gender (i.e. some stereotypes associated with male or female) then you can say everything is a social construct. We have stereotypes about race or age. Already some people identify with different race like Oli London.
@hazmat1978
3 жыл бұрын
I love women who are 50+! They don't play games and I don't have to worry about paying Child support! :-)
@Oxbloodmage
3 жыл бұрын
@@jennifersadler4870 thus the term makes sense even if you aren't talking about trans men. But anytime they are even referenced someone complains about it. 🤷 I just think bill is full of shit for attacking aoc for doing something he would do every other day of the week on a different issue, like religion, does bill think am I alienating Christians to the democrats by antagonizing them no. 🙄
@thirstfen
3 жыл бұрын
This was the most confusing conversation I've ever heard 😂😂.
@jacobrivera7302
3 жыл бұрын
Welcome to American politics...
@johnames6430
3 жыл бұрын
and absurd as well ridiculous
@maxmustermann9587
3 жыл бұрын
I found it quite enlightening.
@johnames6430
3 жыл бұрын
@GAY RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS exactly, there's plenty of gay people who aren't full woke idiots, they just like other men and that's it.
@SimDowd66
3 жыл бұрын
No mention of females who are sexually active and below the age of consent (16-18 depending on individual states). These are children, not women. Does the anti-abortion law decree that these children are legally expected to have their unwanted baby whilst they are not old enough to legally have sexual intercourse? Are female children who are sexually abused/raped expected to have their unwanted baby? The decision on what should happen (abort or not) should result from discussion between the potential mother's family, friends and support agencies (including religious ones) but ultimately, it should be the individual's decision - not the state's. This 'Big Brother'/Big State interference from the purported 'small state' Republicans is hypocrisy in action.
@Sneedmire
3 жыл бұрын
You're free to drive to a state where the parameters around abortion are more relaxed.
@griffin6002
3 жыл бұрын
The fallacy of your argument is that you seem to believe that the potential mother's family is going to be neutral. They aren't. They know the reality is that the cost of the child's upbringing will likely fall upon them. Therefore, they will push the potential mother to have an abortion. They have a vested economic interest in doing so. It is the very rare 15 year old who can say no to her own mother and father and have the baby, especially when she knows, and is constantly reminded, that keeping the baby will ruin her parent's financial lives. While sexual abuse, rape, and incest do happen, the reality is that most abortions happen because of economic reasons. While some women have zero guilt about having an abortion, many more suffer from debilitating guilt and depression for the rest of their lives. The problem when the real incentive for the abortion is economics is that when the woman finally gets the career and the big house and the Lexus and the diamond earrings later in life, she can't enjoy them. She remembers what she had to do to get those things.
@bjensen
2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to know when Dan first learned two-spirit. The SJWs (I don't think Dan is a SJW, but he travels in those circles). act like something they learned about 5 minutes ago should now be known by everyone, and if you don't go by the new rules, you are a terrible person. All the while forgetting that they used to think/speak the same way moments ago.
@AbcAbc-sp1od
2 жыл бұрын
Also, they constantly move the goal posts too. It's really a form of controlling the conversation.
@christophern2818
3 жыл бұрын
This is madness
@frederf3227
3 жыл бұрын
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
@ncorp2668
3 жыл бұрын
Something tells me Dan Savage, a gay man, would not live up to what he says in terms of "transmen" (i.e. females) dating him. It's OK to de-center women out of their own issues, as long as it doesn't effect him personally, right Dan?
@jt7638
3 жыл бұрын
What is your point? Aesthetic preferences do happen. I do not think he would date certain bears either.
@EastSide-qc5oy
3 жыл бұрын
What are you talking about? Are you saying in order for Dan (or any gay man) to be consistent in a belief system that supports trans people, he would have to be open to dating a woman who transitions? Otherwise he’s a hypocrite? If that’s what you are saying, it’s an utterly preposterous statement.
@ncorp2668
3 жыл бұрын
@@jt7638 Same SEX attraction isn't "aesthetics". You're demonstrating exactly my point about gender identity ideologues and their conflict with gay people.
@jt7638
3 жыл бұрын
@@ncorp2668 dude. I am not getting into a semantics banter with you. Who you want to date or not is up to you. If you like men and want certain parts you may or may not want to date trans people. If you expect to police that - oh boy! Are you going to really be wasting your time! 😂
@ncorp2668
3 жыл бұрын
@@EastSide-qc5oy How's it preposterous that i expect Dan Savage to be consistent in his logic? Either they're men or they aren't. But of course, Dan knows they're not actually men...in terms of what effects HIM. But if it's de-centering women out of their own issues...then all of a sudden it's "mEn gEt pReGnAnT 2!!!" It's absurd. Dan Savage is an absurd man, and he can take his metaphysical gender theism with him.
@mikeziolkowski7294
2 жыл бұрын
Increasingly it's all about Bill's feelings rather than the issue.
@low_vibration
3 жыл бұрын
lmao i love how "native americans" is just one homogenous blob as if they werent separated into myriad cultures and tribes
@Willcaballero
2 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing. I've heard two-spirit being tossed around for years now, but still am unsure which exact tribe(s) used this term. Like, did my Taino ancestors down in what's now called Puerto Rico use this term, just like a hypothetical Lakota Native American? Super doubtful...
@benjaminlackey8765
3 жыл бұрын
I never seen abortion as trying to control a woman's body. I have always seen it as murdering a defenseless child. I understand that my viewpoints appear limited, and understand there are extremely rare circumstances that would prompt an individual to want an abortion such as rape and incest. What I don't understand is people killing a defenseless child because it is an inconvenience for themselves. That just seems evil to me. Again only my viewpoints, I can respect others viewpoints on the matter but I find them hard to understand.
@cee119
3 жыл бұрын
I respect your opinion and perspective. However, I think it is a bit limited because you stop yourself for going deeper. It is control its not what the person wants in their life (sort of like a Vax mandate). All children (born and unborn) are defenseless, but nobody is up in arms daily about poverty and lack of food or education or welfare after the child is born... not saying you in particular... but the same people that are against abortion are the same people who complain about the parents using government assistance to care for the child. So once the baby is born, it's no longer your problem, but when the baby is in the womb, you have an opinion? Does that make sense?
@benjaminlackey8765
3 жыл бұрын
@@cee119 Yes it makes total sense. I see from your perspective but it begs the question. Why is the system set up this way? I see myself as more of a conservative (close to center not the crazy far out ones) on the matter. I think that programs like living assistance is great to a degree as long as they are not abused. I myself am a single working Father of three and my wife takes care of the kids as 1/3 is special needs. We are on government assistance and couldn't make it without. The system itself needs to be re-worked all together so that something as beautiful as life doesn't have to be weighed by the inconvenience (for a lack of a better word) of poverty.
@cee119
3 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminlackey8765 The system is set up this way because of Capitalism is not what it appears to be. It preaches independence but it order for it to be successful it also needs poor people to stay poor and for the middle class to continue to be worker Bees. So certain things are put in place for survival, not upward mobility is only for a small percentage. The system isn't broken, it's working exactly how it's designed.
@azspotfree
3 жыл бұрын
Ms Tett is wildly obsessed with the word tribe
@Jamakaya1
3 жыл бұрын
You're missing the forest for the trees. Her comments at the end were very incisive and compassionate.
@kittykatz8837
2 жыл бұрын
The guest literally just said that the Founding Fathers had good reasons to be cancelled. Wow.
@BM-wh5qk
3 жыл бұрын
All they wanted was marriage they said... Now we have to say "two spirit" and not laugh.
@jpkclutch7780
3 жыл бұрын
I realization I made about 3 months ago is that supporting the legalization of gay marriage was just opening the gates for this crazy radical distorting of reality. Most conservatives won’t admit this, but it was a mistake bc the radical lgbtq activists were never going to settle for just 1 thing. It’s human nature to want more power after you get a taste of it. Power can corrupt anyone and the people who think they otherwise become even more authoritarian.
@kigen6400
3 жыл бұрын
As an LGBTQ Conservative....both of you said the very thing I always used to fear about Gays having the right to marry. Not out of homophobia or hatred towards my own but, because I know the next generation will cause social mayhem. Because they don't care about basic rights, they want to control people and guilt them for not agreeing with them. It was never about rights.
@strongwolf8534
3 жыл бұрын
I'm a left leaning centrist. I support gay marriage and the right to be just as miserable as any straight couple because of all the legal crap attatched to the ancient tradition of selling your sexuality in exchange for lifelong social/economic support. But I agree, the social justice croud took this and ran, now they are just as anti-science as anyone on the far right. It's ridiculous.
@jamesjack7074
3 жыл бұрын
Bill keeps trying to say things need to be framed in appealing ways for the Right, but a majority of them aren't interested in changing positions on issues like this.
@awesomewxyz7083
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah cuz when men are being allowed to fight women in MMA, it's not okay. Also if men and women are the same, then what's the point of trans?
@freeindeed8416
3 жыл бұрын
Men are men
@cobes11
3 жыл бұрын
You can take a picture of a dog turd from 100 different angles. At the end of the day, it is still shit.
@Undertak2000
3 жыл бұрын
anyone remember when they laughed at Dennis Prager for suggesting that the left say men menstruate as totally ridiculous? oof.
@Deuteromis
3 жыл бұрын
Who
@burdonwilliams
3 жыл бұрын
You are correct.
@josh18230
3 жыл бұрын
@@Deuteromis Shut up and cope.
@iannonya5282
3 жыл бұрын
Because prager was coming at it from a place of hatred, he deserves to be laughed off of every stage he enters
@breadmoth6443
3 жыл бұрын
@@iannonya5282 but he was still correct so..........
@bartstarr100
3 жыл бұрын
That lady decried tribalism while decrying “those people”
@OmegaMouse
3 жыл бұрын
@jon pork Thanks Joh, you just showed that "you people" cannot detect hypocrisy.
@stevem2323
3 жыл бұрын
@@OmegaMouse You people?
@erikt1713
3 жыл бұрын
When it comes to reproductive rights, the term "women" has always included a large number of female children as well, which is a group of particular concern for abortion. So we would have had to say "women and girls" to be very accurate. If some trans men are still covered within their original sex in regards to reproductive rights it is also just a simplification, but for a far smaller number of people.
@72marshflower15
3 жыл бұрын
Sexual predation is self obsessive ie individualistic and individualism sources conservatism. Thing is, no one is conservative or liberal per se, but rather we tend to embody characteristics of either or at any given time. Which one reigns depends on which is fed the most. In individualistic culture, sexual predation will run rampant. When a man doesn’t care for his parter so much as he cares for his nut..
@brettcrook9362
3 жыл бұрын
@@72marshflower15 sexual predation is rampart in extreme leftists groups. Predators target these groups as the members are reluctant to report such crimes to “the enemy” they are trying to overthrow. Predators go where they have access to victims. In the past that has been church institutions, boarding schools, scout and guide troops. Now those hunting grounds are on “high alert” so are no longer as favourable. However with the rise of “Safe Schools Programs”, Critical Gender Theory promotion and exploration of sexuality encouraged the predators will be increasingly attracted to schools. Having said all that. Most sexual attacks occur within an extended family setting. The victim and predator are known to each other. 1 in 3 girls and 1 in 6 boys are victims. So 25% of the population. If 1% of those kids are traumatised that’s 0.25% of the population. Maybe this goes a long way to explaining the origins of a large portion of the LGBTIQP population. I can’t see how you make the claim it is rampart in individualistic conservative culture. Gay pride and North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) are very left and liberal and had their origins in the 1960 s sexual revolution. So I’m call bs on your comment.
@72marshflower15
3 жыл бұрын
1) “sexual predation is rampant in extreme leftist groups” Response) ~ for starters, extremism is to conservatism as radical is to liberal. It means you’re not even pairing sources to their proxies correctly. Secondly, you’re so desperate to defend your id/ego that you’ll defend anything that challenges the premise that you build your id/ego on. Technically, harming others for individual gain/likeness is individualistic ie conservative as caring for others is collective ie liberal. It means that, objectively speaking, all theft, sexual predation and killing is self obsessive ie individualistic and (again) individualism sources conservatism.. I was actually trafficked as child. You’ve no right to speak to this end. The reason that there are dozens of genders is due to individualism, ie self obsession.. “What am I?” Tell you what.. you’re more than an individual..
@somethingclever8916
3 жыл бұрын
They need to drop women issue label altogether to be more inclusive and just say its about personal freedom and right to health care and leave it at that.
@erikt1713
3 жыл бұрын
@@somethingclever8916 - If you include girls as women (to be), then women still make up 100% of pregnant people. I rounded it to full percentage points there without decimals. It must be permitted to refer to the total by its almost exclusive majority. In addition, pregnancy is not an illness, so abortion is not literally health care. It is important for personal freedom, though, I agree with you there.
@anna_L_N
2 жыл бұрын
Aboriginal people believe that being photographed steals your sole. Is this another important point we’re missing?
@johnblain1474
3 жыл бұрын
I knew 2021 was gonna be absurd but I didn’t have “actually, abortion isn’t a woman’s issue” on my list of new horse shit I would have to listen to.
@elmarko9051
3 жыл бұрын
Or you could try educating yourself...I hear people do it all the time.
@Boobalopbop
3 жыл бұрын
I am a liberal who loves AOC but what she said really cause me to roll my eyes. Maher is correct. Keep the messaging simple.
@Seasonalable
2 жыл бұрын
I wasn't sure these people exist, but here is one. Extraordinary
@jessegallo4351
3 жыл бұрын
I will never refer to myself as a cis male, nor will I ever wear a name tag with my pronouns on it. I'm not going to play your game.
@tigrouthetraveler
2 жыл бұрын
This is insane! A transman is not a man, she's a woman who feels like a man. A transwoman is not a woman, he's a man who feels like a woman. Everyone has the right to feel what they want, but pretending that those feelings allows them to really become what they feel is absolutely insane!
@ashtonwalker3881
3 жыл бұрын
Congrats Bill, this is your audience now
@brezhou29
3 жыл бұрын
Amazing isn't it? This bit about the Texas law moves straight away to "what's 2 spirits anyway?". And then the new rules bit is about the Texas law, but mostly... about how snitching on desperate women is exactly like the Jeopardy producer didn't get to also be the host because of something he said in the past. Lots of time spent on the kind of important topic of the Texas law, only at no point it was about this law and its consequences, but about how "things are weird nowadays, aren't they?". This show could easily move to Fox now. Booohoohooo the woke left, boohooo weird gender stuff, booohoohhoo I don't like lockdowns.
@ryanshinermusic
3 жыл бұрын
@@brezhou29 If you really think this is conservative, you probably haven't interacted with anyone outside of one far-left bubble for awhile.
@brezhou29
3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanshinermusic no, not conservative! Libertarian, i.e. conservatives... but with weed and gays!
@ashtonwalker3881
3 жыл бұрын
@@brezhou29 Yeah I'm confused with your point. This kind of bs debate is what takes place on CNN, MSNBC etc.. not even close to Fox news
@brezhou29
3 жыл бұрын
@@ashtonwalker3881 this bit starts about the Texas abortion ban, but quickly devolves into "ewww people with weird gender". When the Texas law passed, Fox hardly mentioned it. Just like on this Real Time episode. Sort of reference it in passing but really talks about something else. That's what I'm talking about. The Texas law will lead women to get back alley abortions, like in the good old time. Women will suffer, many will die from the consequences of having an abortion not done in clinic. Seems important? Well... Not to Bill, who's focus is "WHAT THE FUCK IS TWO SPIRITS ANYWAY I NEVER HEARD OF IT" and "AOC said something weird" and in the new rules bit "Snitching on women who needs an abortion is like cancelling a producer hosting a game show". False equivalents, moaning about the woke mob, weird genders and "cancel culture", whilst barely mentioning the actual madness of banning abortions even in case of rape... is what Fox does.
@shawnnewell4541
3 жыл бұрын
Not all men who are married want their kids. My former parish priest told us in a sermon once that he'd heard women in tears, during confession, because they were told to abort the baby or they wouldn't be allowed back in the house. I for one was stunned. It really drove home what I'd realized a long time ago it's not just women who want abortion it's men too. I fear more deaths and homelessness will happen as a result of Texas' abortion laws.
@thagodwecreate5179
3 жыл бұрын
I am personally against abortion. And 2 years ago I met a girl and accidentally got her pregnant in 1 month. I never wanted kids and neither did she so she left the decision to me...I now have a 1 year old daughter i love so so much so my money's where my mouth is. Though this is my personal choice, I don't feel I have the right to take that decision from others. I support first trimester, there should be limits and restrictions but obviously taking it from the black market, back alley route is safer for everyone. Fun Fact: I am still with my daughter's mother in a very happy home and i love being a dad...so ya never know where life will take you. I wouldn't have believed it 3 years ago. I'm still def never getting married though. One Love
@xaspirate8060
3 жыл бұрын
@@thagodwecreate5179 Great post.
@tjhodge201
3 жыл бұрын
Shawn I find it difficult to see a priest approve of abortion and that more than likely the women speaking to said priest would receive care for them and the baby...my question is everyone in my church us against abortion cause the death of a defenceless baby...I think you don't go church and your story kinda B.S.
@ViFabulous
3 жыл бұрын
@@thagodwecreate5179 1. If you don't want kids, get a vasectomy. Glad you're a content dad now. 2. Most abortions are done in the first trimester or 12 weeks. The TX law defies medical logic and, once again, shows lawmakers don't understand human biology or reproduction. 3. second trimester abortions are often for medical reasons. Either the fetus has issues of viability issue or the mother's health is at stake. The pro-birth movement perpetuates the lies of "Late term abortion." If they really GAF about humans the GOP could go to the Texas border with Mexico, any detention center, any orphanage or foster care system and show they care about humans post birth. However; they choose to sit in judgment of others and say, "You shouldn't have children you can't afford." The GOP has been anti-life by example for over 40 years.
@gingernightmare9152
3 жыл бұрын
No, rich white Republican teenager daughters and Pastor's mistresses will still get abortions. The poor minorities are actually really religious and don't attempt to get abortions. What is being done is defunding access to birth control, pap smears, cancer screenings, and mammograms.
@musashi.miyamoyo
2 жыл бұрын
Do women that have a fetus have two heads, 20 fingers, and 20 toes? Is it really about the women?
@cassiemontgomery45
3 жыл бұрын
"If men could get pregnant, then abortion would be a sacrament". I read this quote in a book years ago and wish I could give credit to it's author!
@atrailerinthewoods
3 жыл бұрын
DERRRRR
@LoneYote1
3 жыл бұрын
It’s oft used and totally unhelpful. That is exactly why I believe this is such a divisive topic that leads to rigid tribalism.
@OmegaMouse
3 жыл бұрын
@@LoneYote1 Who would have thought that making up some insane bullshit about how men are women would be unhelpful? Captain obvious over here.
@LoneYote1
3 жыл бұрын
@@OmegaMouse that isn’t even the topic of discussion.
@danbarrett1789
2 жыл бұрын
You vastly underestimate the amount of losers that exist
@simonsayz1812
3 жыл бұрын
You can't talk about the importance of education and then scold people for not knowing EVERYTHING already. Teach them.
@freeindeed8416
3 жыл бұрын
Teach them that men can have babies😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@ethercept
3 жыл бұрын
Just try to listen to this conversation without imagining that Earnest Hemingway was a time traveler and this was the last thing he heard before he pulled the trigger.
@dwknick33
3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha
@MrShinnickNeth
3 жыл бұрын
What do you mean?
@MrShinnickNeth
2 жыл бұрын
@@mirnamm3590 Thanks for the reply but that's not what I was asking. Hemingway liked to crossdress and liked his wife to refer to him with female pronouns in the bedroom. This was covered in the Ken Burns docuseries on him. So I was asking OP what he/she meant with the comment? Why would the conversation in the video bother Hemingway?
@hggtg
2 жыл бұрын
I truly believe this man is mentally deranged!
@bath_neon_classical
2 жыл бұрын
abortion is an issue that affects men, but it's a lot harder for women
@Dialogos1989
3 жыл бұрын
I think all this confusion could be resolved by separating sex from gender. Just say male or female, nothing to do with identity
@micl6562
3 жыл бұрын
Its meant to be confusing
@ncorp2668
3 жыл бұрын
The whole gender identity movement is predicated on removing and obfuscating sex, particularly anything to do with women's rights. It's highly misogynistic.
@vitaliys
3 жыл бұрын
you can't separate sex from gender as of today. One word : DNA, everything else is in your imagination
@hyacinthlynch843
3 жыл бұрын
Sex and gender are not disconnected.
@vitaliys
3 жыл бұрын
@@hyacinthlynch843 , and till recently it meant the same :))) I have a feeling it's still the same. One can mingle the words anyway they want it doesn't change the scientific facts
@sevenidols607
3 жыл бұрын
I just learned what two spirit is. I learn things on Bill Maher.
@ncorp2668
3 жыл бұрын
It's also deeply homophobic. It was mostly used to reference towards gay men to imply they weren't man enough...in other words, rigid gender roles.
@JohnWhiteHere
3 жыл бұрын
What does it mean? I couldn’t force myself to sit through this nonsense
@landonkare670
3 жыл бұрын
Its kinda scary how these new identities(very different from being gay or trans) are getting no push back.
@ncorp2668
3 жыл бұрын
@@zachhayes9512 The ONLY reason any of them bring up 2 spirit is merely the fact that it's an aspect of non-European culture, and if they can somehow connect their completely different ideology to race, then they can utilize it as a shield for anything. The strict adherence expected for gender ideology within Western culture juxtaposed with the extreme cultural relativism they apply to any non-Western culture is an amazing feat of mental gymnastics...at the highest levels. Nevermind the fact that Iran subsidizes SRS as a means of conversion therapy for gay men who would otherwise be killed there. Nevermind the fact that the main people pushing this ideology are white rich lobbyists. Nevermind the fact that most POC do not support this ideology. So they have to resort to a non-universal idea held by some Native Americans....because no one else believes in it.
@hyacinthlynch843
3 жыл бұрын
@@ncorp2668 Spot on. 👍
@anthonyderosa3265
3 жыл бұрын
Dan Savage is an insufferable little queen.
@mak7587
2 жыл бұрын
Oh god I’m so sick of these people. I’m over it.
@kellywalsh9373
3 жыл бұрын
Two Spirit….meaning that they accepted the duality that exists within themselves rather than fight it and try and modify their body into one gender or the other.
@vitaliys
3 жыл бұрын
it's called "gender dysphoria". I don't know whether it's treatable or not, but apparently some people suffer it
@whoopshey826
3 жыл бұрын
i understood it instantly, its not complicated. I've seriously never heard it until this clip.
@rogerrogerson1232
3 жыл бұрын
@@vitaliys Perfect Joe will mandate the vaccine now.
@nicksherreard1215
3 жыл бұрын
@@vitaliys it’s not gender disphoria if you’re using the organ you’re supposedly disphoric about
@TheFeldhamster
3 жыл бұрын
I think two spirit is more like what we call genderfluid now, not trans. It was equated with being trans back when we didn't have a word for genderfluid. Or probably the native people used it for both because they just didn't have the means to do that kind of surgery. But "accepting ones duality" sounds a lot more like genderfluid / non binary. The trans people I know don't feel "in the middle" kind of dual, they're more likely "I knew from when I was 5 years old that I was in the wrong body". At least that's what they told me and seeing how difficult it is to transition in my country and they still took it upon them I have no reason to disbelieve them. They meant it.
@bloatedtreeful
3 жыл бұрын
Savage derided pro-life people as “misogynistic” and “patriarchal.” How would he define the millions of women who espouse anti-abortion views?
@SunDown.
3 жыл бұрын
Brainwashed or religious, it's the same thing.
@mosesking2923
3 жыл бұрын
It’s a cheap sound bite to castigate an entire group of people without having to engage with people you disagree with. It’s easy to spout out nonsense that pro-life people just want “to control a woman’s body” which of course is ridiculous, since you don’t have to actually do any work. Name calling is easy. Discussion takes work.
@Oblithian
3 жыл бұрын
It is a ethical issue with scientific disagreement on a fundamental level, not just an issue of 'opression', 'religion', or 'the patriarchy'.
@nanajude3444
3 жыл бұрын
I literally heard the term “two spirit” for the first time while watching this clip. I’m 79 years old so it proves I’m still learning. I’m trying to figure out a lot of the terminology regarding gay, lesbian, trans, anything gender related but it can be overwhelming. My 14 year old granddaughter explains a lot of it to me. I wish people could be more understanding and less judgmental.
@ktcool4660
3 жыл бұрын
AOC was not judghing she was calling transphorbes.
@genestarwind4610
3 жыл бұрын
The problem comes when people(most conservatives) refuse to learn. The fact gender and sex aren't the same thing causes their brains to melt down. Look in this comment section for proof.
@annieobrien83
3 жыл бұрын
I loved this comment, always learning, always growing, fair play to you, lucky grandchildren!
@michaelopp5389
3 жыл бұрын
Look at the movie "little big man ", released in 1970 starring Dustin Hoffman. It had a character specifically called two spirit. The character was treated with respect and acceptance within the movie.
@sylvesterquast5832
3 жыл бұрын
No need to worry because new stuff is made up on the spot every few months! Liberals watch too much south park
@haleighstockton5439
2 жыл бұрын
I want to laugh at the fact that they are actually serious about this but I’m actually a little concerned about this delusional way of thinking becoming so prevalent.
@alkismavridis1
3 жыл бұрын
1:12 How on earth can transition to male? I thought that gender is the social aspect and sex was the immutable biological one. Aren't trans men females? How about abortion is a female issue? The more I look at the trans issue, the more the looks like semantic games. And semantic games are fine. What it not fine is claiming that people who play different semantic games are "biggots". Even more uncool is to keep changing your semantic games every 5 years, and call biggots the ones who still play the previous one.
@fromireland8663
3 жыл бұрын
Well, because of hormonal treatment, surgery and because they feel that they are male. That is how I understand it. Correct me if I am wrong? However, good point about it changing every 5 years and people being unfairly called out for not keeping up. I believe that, in the UK, there are now over 100 gender identities recognised. I still feel that gender at birth should be distinguished from gender identity, primarily for medical reasons.
@alkismavridis1
3 жыл бұрын
@@fromireland8663 the way I see it is still a semantic question. Instead of saying that people changed their sex, we could be more flexible about what sex identifications are. We could say that is, that the genitalia and hormonal interventions simply proove that "some males have vaginas" and "some males have different hormonal makeup". Of course these are outliers to the majority, but this is the case anyways, no matter what semantcs you choose. Same thing, different semantics. We could even use the same terms for gender for goodness shake. Instead of calling them trans men, we could be more flexible about what womanhood is. Some women dress like this, talk like this and even modify their bodies in this way. And they are still women. Same phenomenon, different wording. Of course, self identification would also follow the same semantics because hey, these people also use language to think about themselves. To me all of the above are equally right, (or equally wrong) ways to speak about the phenomenon. This way I find it to be overwhelmingly a semantic game. Which is fine, until the point where people weaponize it.
@fromireland8663
3 жыл бұрын
@@alkismavridis1 Do you think that the current state of affairs has arisen because society is too rigid in it's expectation of how make/female should be or behave?
@alkismavridis1
3 жыл бұрын
@@fromireland8663 yes, I think this is correct. And maybe (just maybe) the semantics that we ended up following reinforces this rigidity.
@PassportToPimlico
3 жыл бұрын
@@fromireland8663 I'm sure that a great many people can feel that they are a great many things but that doesn't necessarily make it true.
@JoyTb12345
3 жыл бұрын
I really have found that I agree with Bill on a lot and it shocks me.
@JoyTb12345
3 жыл бұрын
@@stepfaniehawkins205 hahha thank you🥰
@Oxbloodmage
3 жыл бұрын
If this was about religion bill wouldn't agree with himself.
@GiarkReleos
3 жыл бұрын
that's because common sense is a trait not found in the lunatic fringe of conservatism. Facts Matter !!
@awesomewxyz7083
3 жыл бұрын
@@GiarkReleos Yeah those damn conservatives... Why can't they understand that it's okay for men to crack women's skull in MMA? Man I'm glad I'm not a liberal anymore...
@freeindeed8416
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah because these people are out it
@DoubleL.
3 жыл бұрын
The ironic thing in this video is the guy saying “let’s be more like Obama in ‘07” the same Obama who didn’t support the legalization of gay marriage.
@michaelj6392
3 жыл бұрын
Right before he deported more illegal immigrants than any other president and drone strikes thousands of civilians. Also packed his cabinet with Goldman Sachs executives that caused the financial meltdown and took us from bombing people in two countries to 7. Great guy.
@ncorp2668
3 жыл бұрын
Also, the same Obama that told Flint Michigan that the water was safe and bombed civilians in Libya.
@mairbuddug1068
3 жыл бұрын
But Obama did eventually see the light and change his mind.
@abelincon8472
3 жыл бұрын
@@mairbuddug1068 but if a rep does it, it's called changing the stance for votes . That's the hypocrisy.
@EastSide-qc5oy
3 жыл бұрын
That’s not ironic. He’s not talking about Obama’s position on issues. He’s talking about Obama’s communication style and the political context of that communication style.
@tippy195
2 жыл бұрын
Having the choice to have an abortion is a FREEDOM
@gerdokurt
3 жыл бұрын
In germany, you can change your gender in your official papers since 3 years. You can also change it to "divers". Every company that is hireing people and official papers have (m/w/d) now, they want to redesign the german language in a gender neutral language (we have A LOT of generic masculine). After 2 years, we had the first numbers: In 2 years, 300 people changed the gender to divers. 300. All this shit because of 300 people and probably most of them didnt even care what gender is written in their passport. We have to stop this agenda driven by crazy people. The sjw bs is intellectual terrorism! The german green party had a perfect male candidate. Everyone loved him. The green party was about to become the biggest party in germany. Huge success, important success regarding the climate change. Then they had their stupid party meeting and because of their own female quote, they made a woman candidate for the vote, not the successfull man everyone liked. With the woman, the party lost more than 10% of voters, she is involved in a plagiarism scandal, she has no clue about anything.. They are the green party and they had the chance to take over controle and push green policies against climate change. and they ruind everything because of SJW shit noone asked for.Fuck these people.
@claiminglight
3 жыл бұрын
100%. How can we possibly imagine getting anything useful done when we have to stop and appease every dope on twitter that comes up with a new spirit animal or crystal reiki bullshit persona?
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