PLEASE READ! UPDATED WITH RELEVANT COMMENTS --- THIS GUIDE WAS MADE USING THE CREATOR SERVER, which means there's a possibility of slight changes on her full release LET ME KNOW IN THE COMMENTS IF ANYTHING IS NOT UP TO DATE! i will include them here :) HOPE YOU ENJOY, ACHERON IS SICK! - FTB with TREND is a great F2P option - SPEED boots great if NO Sparkle/Bronya OR she gains more stacks herself (SIG LC / E2) - ATK ORB is GOOD ALTERNATIVE (because A6 gives 90% dmg bonus) - WELT SUSTAIN is fine teammate option - GLASS CANNON COMP (no sustain) is good IF you play it properly. dont let the enemies get turns :) - PEARLS OF SWEAT is GREAT LC for ANY nihility teammate; i placed emphasis on PELA because 4 STAR and she has built in DEF REDUCTION
@marcravenmabagos4611
6 ай бұрын
When aventurine 🥺
@fadedmogli5179
6 ай бұрын
I've been seeing a lot of people say atk orb is better for her. Is dmg orb just outright better for her or is it close enough to go down to subs?
@Kaelel376
6 ай бұрын
@@fadedmogli5179 Atk% edges out slightly due to the amount of DMG% she has baked in her kit. But the difference is small enough that you'll just be comparing between substats.
@theartcritic5052
6 ай бұрын
Don't forget that you can use food in SU if you have the last part of the ability tree unlocked so...
@NiaTheMilkTank
6 ай бұрын
Correction on Fermata It increases ALL types of damage to enemies with a Shock or Wind Shear dot on them INCLUDING all DOT damage types Wording could be more clear but everyone always misreads this one. It's actually a decent 4star alternative if you put Kafka and/or black swan/sampo on your team so the damage bonus is always active And break effect is actually relevant if you run Ruan Mei in the team comp
@Braxophone
6 ай бұрын
good video mr xlice have a nice trip!!
@Xlice
6 ай бұрын
ty king
@dafuqgusdafrey60
6 ай бұрын
stand proud, kings
@TheyCallMeDio
6 ай бұрын
*_Now kiss_*
@GentlePunch4U
6 ай бұрын
Ayo hey Brax!
@ineedmorecarrots6063
6 ай бұрын
@@TheyCallMeDiobro wtf
@hypergoner37
6 ай бұрын
17:55 Acheron inflicted all-type res down when you use her ult so the mentioned effect will be active
@kitsuchii6809
6 ай бұрын
Tbh ppl treat it like ruan mei buff its so anoing xD
@RomaNepl
6 ай бұрын
@@kitsuchii6809is Res down and Res pen not the same thing?
@SevenRedSuns1296
6 ай бұрын
@@RomaNepl no, res pen makes your damage ignore their defense to that element, res down reduces their defense to the element
@RomaNepl
6 ай бұрын
@@SevenRedSuns1296 so in the damage formula they are essentially the same?
@hiroshiichirou
6 ай бұрын
@@RomaNepl Let me interrupt. RES PEN & RES DOWN essentially the same, and additive to each other within the damage formula. The only difference between them is: RES PEN is a BUFF, and character/enemy with it will basically inflicts more damage to related element (such as Fire-Ele RES PEN) or all elements (All-RES PEN) RES DOWN is a DEBUFF, and character/enemy with it will basically takes more damage of related element or all elements.
@imharristv2790
6 ай бұрын
1 thing I need to mention that Fire MC with Trend of the Universal Market LC will become one of the best teammate for Acheron as Fire MC's taunt also counted as debuff. Also, if there are 5 enemies on the field and all of them getting taunted by fire MC, each of them will be getting the burn debuff by hitting Fire MC. It will be total of 1 (taunt) + 5 enemies = 6 charges for Acheron in a single cycle. Correct me if Im wrong, thank you @Xlice
@Nunazac
6 ай бұрын
Fire MC isn't a reliable solo sustain. What do you do to keep your team alive?
@CyndNinja
6 ай бұрын
@@NunazacWe're assuming that you spam Taunt every turn (with ATK boots Acheron and really fast Pela+Sw SP is not gonna be a problem ever) and that you have high EHR on them (you want to it to proc the Market every time). So your team should only ever be getting damage from AoE, and even then with 15% reduction and small shield. It's way more than enough to survive most enemies.
@Omega-xn7gj
6 ай бұрын
@@Nunazac there are multiple videos here on youtube that show the MC being enough for solo sustain MoC12 rn provided your team can clear fast enough and the MC is invested enough (which should be for MoC anyway), so I think its a valid option for people who dont have other options and own the Trends LC and dont want to spend the guaranteed ticket on Gepard
@Eldritchpi
6 ай бұрын
I run fire Mc with gepards lc, e6s5 guin e6s5 black swan and e6tingyun, I'll replace tingyun with acheron. Fmc has more then enough sustain already with that team, adding acheron is just icing on thee cake.
@zurithiaxeli
6 ай бұрын
isn't it the case that you cannot gain more than one stack for acheron in a single action? just like how pela's ult applies defense down on all the enemies but she only gives acheron one ult stack
@prongster
6 ай бұрын
Guinaifen is actually able to implant debuffs without utilizing skillpoints. Her debuff can hit on her basics and she can carry Resolution Shines Like Pearls of Sweat PLUS her debuff synergizes with fire units, if another fire nihility ever comes out or if someone has E2.
@angelsoflolz
6 ай бұрын
From what I hear, Firekiss doesn't count for acheron's slashed dream? Is that the debuff ur talking about?
@TheXDGuy
6 ай бұрын
nah it the burn debuff
@SM-oc4rc
6 ай бұрын
I want to bring to attention one thing about the Ensnare debuff of Resolution, is that it doesn't land if the enemy is already affected by it. So suppose you are landing a debuff with Pela, (1 stack of Ache Ult) and then Pela goes 1-2 more times (since Pela is built with Speed) but the enemy has been slowed/delayed (Ruan Mei or either with Welt or Silver Wolf), the Ensnare debuff will not land and Ache will not get a Ult stack. I know this is for Pela, but Gui is also built similarly.
@prongster
6 ай бұрын
@@SM-oc4rcinteresting note! I’ll keep that in mind when I have Acheron in hand
@Arekkizu
6 ай бұрын
@@angelsoflolz you're right it doesnt, but guin applies burn with every attack she does, except for her ult
@WhatTheFunct
6 ай бұрын
By far and away the best guide out there. Thank you for being literally the only CC I've seen show her trace information on-screen so that we can read them and get a better understanding without having to rewatch the video 90 times :).
@OutlawViIe
6 ай бұрын
FTB with Trend is a highly valuable option for a more aggressive Preservation synergy. Not only can they use Trend LC, The Fire Break counts as a DoT whilst Gepards wouldn't, and the application of Taunt is also counted as a debuff, further giving Acheron stacks of Slashed Dream. I know FTB is chronically over looked cause they're free and everyone has the character, but I very strongly believe FTB will be the best F2P support that everyone has access to.
@alexandrusava6980
6 ай бұрын
but it's not suitable as a solo sustain unit, that's why Gepard/Fu Xuan is the better option.
@OutlawViIe
6 ай бұрын
@@alexandrusava6980 Yes, that is the same mindless drivel I've been hearing to dismiss the character, but you don't need to sustain, you need to only live long enough and generate enough stacks for Acheron to obliterate the enemies. It's the same principle as Welt.
@merafera3390
6 ай бұрын
@@alexandrusava6980don't get me wrong I get where you're coming from but fire mc can solo sustain pretty well if you built them properly. I know so because I have been using fmc for a few patches now for moc 12 clears for fun and it works well.
@alexandrusava6980
6 ай бұрын
@@merafera3390 i'm sure it can hold it's own in most fights, but i do think it starts to struggle in prolong fights, aoe attacks and dot damage that starts creeping in fast. If all your characters are built slightly beefier than usual it should be fine, but there's always that possibility where it's simply not enough shielding.
@alexandrusava6980
6 ай бұрын
@@OutlawViIe it's not a comfy pick, you always need to be mindful of the next attack, most casual players will probably die or need a couple of resets to clear content in MOC. And if Acheron can't clear the wave in one cycle it starts to become painful really fast. I get it, high risk, high reward character, but if the DPS check isn't there, it's simply not the preservation you need in that team.
@reyhomer9750
6 ай бұрын
This is very VERY insightful, thank you. Adding some questions to ask for players to consider is really helpful! Really tackled most of the topic i am looking for
@Nazarick
6 ай бұрын
Awesome guide! Very detailed and comprehensive. You covered all the subjects. I can tell you put a lot of work into making this guide.
@VitorAntas
6 ай бұрын
Great guide! Though I do disagree with Atk Boots, particularly if you either have E2 or E0S1 - or both. 134+ speed makes her able to spam her skill and ultimate so consistently that teammate variety increases by a lot. The rate at which she'll be able to use her ultimate vs a little extra attack is a world of difference, as she doesn't gain energy from outside means like Tingyun/Huohuo or even just getting hit. Getting 2 stacks per turn (or 3 if E2S1) is massive for her rotations, and doing that more often seems to be a lot better than dealing 10% more damage and taking a little longer to do so.
@Sin_on
6 ай бұрын
I would argue that a lot of time some extra speed would only grand you 1-2 extra turn but it still comedown case by case and what substat you get on it
@kaseyatakahashi9753
6 ай бұрын
If you go spd boots with sparkle i don't think you would survive since that team has no sustain. So for zero cycle 160+ sparkle with atk boots Archeron is way better. In calculations yeah slow sparkle or bronya with 134/135 Archeron would performs much better but you would be dead even before getting the second turn for Archeron with a setup like that without a sustain in game.
@VitorAntas
6 ай бұрын
@@kaseyatakahashi9753 but then it's a case by case scenario; only with Sparkle would Atk boots be 100% always optimal. I for one will keep Sparkle glued to my DHIL on MoC, for example. Bronya with one speed behind is also great with a dps on speed boots, as it's simply even more extra turns. And say I want to run Acheron with Ruan Mei or another upcoming Harmony or even a Preservation unit that debuffs - speed boots would still maintain consistent value in terms of nº of turns. I'd say that's more valuable than some extra attack you'll already be getting from multiple sources in her build, such as entirely forgoing ERR rope as it's unnecessary, being able to use Atk rope instead. All of her minor traces are offensive too, which is a nice bonus.
@twothreeoneoneseventwoonefour5
6 ай бұрын
Oh so I guess I was lucky getting speed Pioneer boots with double crit substat after all. It went into crit rate twice.
@Hhhh22222-w
6 ай бұрын
Zero sustain for now* @@kaseyatakahashi9753
@JaeSleepywood
6 ай бұрын
I miss him already 😭 hf on vacation
@Alex2706secret
6 ай бұрын
A small point for Sustainers, while similar to Gallagher as their solo sustain capiabilities are not very strong, Fire Main Character is also an option, they benefit from the Effect hit Rate as they also can apply a debuff every turn (Taunt) while also forcing the enemies to hit them, causing burns to battery Acheron super fast, which she'll need because as I said, Fire MC is not very good at solo-sustain.
@kyotheman69
6 ай бұрын
seen tests on him, he's actually good, some situations he could in spot he won't able to aoe heal, but he does good job healing though, you will need copies if you want cleanse he needs E2
@KeflAura
6 ай бұрын
Gallaghers healing is actually really good if you're building high break effect, judging by the lackluster heal in the video he had absolutely none. Considering his heals do scale of break effect. He cleanses at e2 which isnt too much of a tall ask for a featured 4 banner 4star. Im extremely looking forward to using him.
@ironheadedDoF
6 ай бұрын
Good news for F2P: Good Night and Sleep Well LC is on the Acheron LC banner as a 4star. Might be worth a few pulls on banner, if cant go fully into Acheron LC. (I have S4 GNSW, so it's my chance to max it out)
@azulite_revz4514
6 ай бұрын
Nice
@YourAverageLoser763
6 ай бұрын
im praying that i win my damn 50/50 so i can go for her lc, but even if i dont im a also try to snipe a few
@ryyangggY
6 ай бұрын
@@Lostshadow-so8ut def not, gnsw is one of the best 4 star nihility light cones, and many nihility chars want it not just acheron
@fredxu99
6 ай бұрын
Good news? That's not very good news lol. F2P and gambling on a lightcone banner for 4-stars, name a more horrible combo. This character is not F2P at all, if a player was truly f2p I'd just say go with Kafka/Swan instead who can reasonably use f2p lightcones of Fermata and Showtime to decent effect and get numerous characters along the way, or Jingliu who has her best support Bronya as a guarantee from 300 selector and a usable Herta shop LC.
@hamzaid9897
6 ай бұрын
I enjoy watching this video especially the editing quality and details in each section .. very helpful thanks
@jakewilson1511
6 ай бұрын
for my sustain unit I plan on using Fire MC with Trends LC as the MC's E Taunt counts as a debuff and Trends inflicts a debuff per stack which has really good synergy with Acheron, going to look into a Aventurine as well (also future healing Nihility unit on the way to replace all options for sustain~)
@st.lucient4755
6 ай бұрын
I don't want to be THAT debby downer, but healing on a Nihility unit sounds contradictive to the concept of Nihilism, if the devs stay true to that. Nihilism breathes "Nothing matters in life. Let it all rot away to nothingness." Not exactly the heal-y type. And a side of me says "nothing's impossible" but also another side of me expects the devs to stick with the theme. (coz it's cool) So, proceed with minimum expectation is what I suggest.
@jakewilson1511
6 ай бұрын
@st.lucient4755 no like, we have full on leaked kits and character files
@st.lucient4755
6 ай бұрын
@@jakewilson1511 Oh, I see. I don't do leaks. So I can't say much. Sorry But even so, be careful with things still subject to changes.
@jakewilson1511
6 ай бұрын
@st.lucient4755 was trying to be subtle with it. These leaks dont tend to be fake, but so far we have a gimmick, kit and their healing works like Gallagher's
@MagnesisPlus
6 ай бұрын
BY FAR THE BEST ACHERON GUIDE love you xlice this was an awesome video keep it up
@avi8183
6 ай бұрын
I don't think it was mentioned but the fire mc taunt skill is considered a debuff too, with universal trend it works really well so that's something to consider too.
@asoret
6 ай бұрын
Yes also you build already effect rate in fire mc for the taunt, so not big deal for universal trend working better, the problem is that most people will get gallagher free plus his dupes if pulling archeron, he seems great at E2 and free lightcone
@TheRoleplayer40k
6 ай бұрын
@@asorethe’s a smelly dude tho so can’t come
@chrisichinose5696
6 ай бұрын
Insanely well made guide as always, really appreciate the work you´re putting into these , definitely the go-to person when it comes to high quality guides c:
@Cocoa_mintzz
6 ай бұрын
Sustain Welt, paired with Pela and either Bronya or Sparkle, can create a formidable synergy within an E0 Acheron team, especially when wielded with expertise. Sustain Welt's ability to provide consistent healing complements Pela's defensive prowess, allowing for a resilient frontline capable of withstanding enemy assaults. Additionally, the combination of Bronya or Sparkle adds versatility to the team composition. Bronya's offensive capabilities can help to control the battlefield and apply pressure to opponents, while Sparkle's utility brings crowd control and support to the team. To maximize the effectiveness of Sustain Welt in an HSR setting, it's crucial to understand its mechanics thoroughly. Proper positioning and timing of its abilities are key to maintaining sustained healing throughout the match. Coordinating with teammates to capitalize on healing opportunities while mitigating damage is essential for success. Overall, with strategic coordination and a deep understanding of each hero's strengths and weaknesses, a Sustain Welt, Pela, and Bronya or Sparkle composition can form a resilient and versatile E0 Acheron team capable of dominating the battlefield. But at the end of the day its just another option and is completely up to you.
@ScaryYokai
6 ай бұрын
Jokes about Welt's healing ability aside there's actually might be a nihility healer coming our way.
@legoMan20111
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the guide, have a good vacation you deserve it!
@Sckysz
6 ай бұрын
I can’t believe he’s really gone… its like he’s still here with us 😢 rest in peace Mr Xlice (he’s just going on vacation)
@xth3y_kill_k3nny
6 ай бұрын
Weird u put it like that
@DARK.delusionist
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this guide! It was well organized, with clear detailed explanations, and top notch editing as always 👏 Also your release timing was Perfect! Have a good vacation, you deserve it! Also, Acheron can definitely be the center of my world 🤩
@hennako1439
6 ай бұрын
Not the first ive seen, but by far the most comprehensive and useful Acheron guide - amazing work as always. Hope you have a nice break!
@ItsCon_
6 ай бұрын
This video convinced me not only get acheron but go for her E2 as well. her kit is actually so insane and you did a great job displaying that! Here is to E2 Acheron!!
@ShadowofIonia
6 ай бұрын
Honestly, acheron is a very easy skip for me. The only thing that appeals to me was the instakill, but I realized that I wouldn't use it because I have enough materials from mobs. Also, I have 2 lighting dps's kafka and jing yuan( who is really strong now). And all ready have the diversity for other content. So saving for aventurine. But good luck to those who are pulling for her.
@albiflora
6 ай бұрын
The insta kill also works in SU, GNG and other content so if you wanna save your time on that, its up on the table. And her being a colorless breaker is what sold me on her. I don't like having dps for each type.
@ShadowofIonia
6 ай бұрын
@XieI I only do SU weekly stuff and salvage any bad relics, then forge any rope or sphere. Also, I never cared for colorless that much. Because just the diversity I already have built. But I'm pretty sure I might get her on her re run I'll just have to see.
@hiroshiichirou
6 ай бұрын
As for me, my Electro coverage is only Jing Yuan, but I'm not satisfied with how Lightning Lord works. I'm planning to replace him with Acheron as long as I can get her with my low funds. Both Jing Yuan and Acheron are backloaded-type of Damage Dealer, where the former relies on LL while the latter relies on the Ultimate + allies that can inflict debuff. I'd rather have more character with versatile backloaded damage such as Acheron. xD On top of that, speedrunning SU and its side contents (SD & G&G) would be a major quality of life for me personally. 🙏
@normanhosp5358
6 ай бұрын
Only have JY but probably will skip as well with similar reasons. Going for JL instead caused lack of ice dps. Might consider again when she reruns.
@nikhilponnam2043
6 ай бұрын
I'm skipping, too... E0S1 also requires so much investment as she is like Erudition. If there is a single boss like Meme, her dmg will greatly reduce. E2, I can't get it anyway. She is a whale friendly character.
@genznnGaming
6 ай бұрын
Great Video mr xlice, i prolly gonna rewatch this once she is out. Ty for all the info and analysis ❤
@lbomb1121
6 ай бұрын
Guide is HUGE, and I really want to build her so I’m going for it, unironically thanks a ton for the guide since I was gonna go in a different direction than what you said probably 😅
@mikefang2000
6 ай бұрын
Amazing guide! Great work, and have a wonderful vacation XSlice!
@ricolee7728
6 ай бұрын
Best guide I’ve seen, so detailed and insightful, thank you!
@ThisPhoenixFire
6 ай бұрын
This has been hands down the best video for Acheron! Perfectly breaks down everything I was wondering and looking for.
@Calared
6 ай бұрын
amazing and very complete guide !! thank you Xlice !!
@agentexquisite
6 ай бұрын
Great guide Mr pp as always
@Xiangli_Yao_1
6 ай бұрын
This was honestly a very good guide video. Keep up the great work man.
@NemoRackkz
6 ай бұрын
Once again just like Brax another person being honest and truthful about the light cone difference thank you xlice
@Lunarvienna
6 ай бұрын
Just wanted to come out here and say that I’m so glad you are still making star rail videos!! I totally understand why you chose to focus on genshin and I respect that completely. But ngl, I love your guides on star rail more than anyone else’s, all the love!!
@tayty1238
6 ай бұрын
Don’t underestimate welt solo sustain. 100% sure Acheron’s best team is welt pela and sparkle
@Hhhh22222-w
6 ай бұрын
He can but youll have to retry moc a couple of times more
@thewobbinator8410
6 ай бұрын
For Trend of the Universal Market, it allows your Preservation character welcome effect hit rate sub stats (at least 50%) and run Belobog Planar ornament to catch up to the missing Def% rolls. I have a shielding 4 piece with Belobog March 7th for cheesing Golden Gears. Can interchange it with Gepard for Acheron support. 😁
@bradrizzo3950
6 ай бұрын
This team comp breakdown was great! I have: E6 G lady (80% built) E0 black swan unbuilt E2 pela unbuilt E1 welt well built. I was agonizing over which one to build out, still kinda am.
@Ouusa
6 ай бұрын
An atk orb is better for her than lightning plus I think she should have been leveled to all 8 (except basic)for the showcase because that’s what most people are going to be at
@wafIeee
6 ай бұрын
why would u not max out her traces brv
@Ouusa
6 ай бұрын
@@wafIeee a lot of people don’t have talent level up resources plus it’s just the bare minimum for a showcase
@CodeTetsu
6 ай бұрын
Why would an atk orb be better? Is it because she gets so much damage bonus from her own effects?
@Ouusa
6 ай бұрын
@@CodeTetsu exactly that. She scales really well with atk. But tbh if you get a light dmg orb with better sub stats then that should be used instead
@wafIeee
6 ай бұрын
@@Ouusayeah but acheron is a type of character for which u will keep going until u max out all traces I understand stopping at 7 for other characters but for acheron? no
@wawwew8604
6 ай бұрын
13:56 i just wanna point out that the 3 star loop lc at s5 is usable if youre using a welt, it gives 48% dmg bonus so its bascailly s2 GNSW but worse base stats.
@catz_ee
6 ай бұрын
If you're planning on running BS and Acheron, I'd recommend using Gui over Pela, as overall the team will deal more dmg. Pela/BS is only about 5% better for Acheron's personal dmg, and with Gui BS has a significant source of Arcana stacks for her dmg.
@rotus9550
6 ай бұрын
24:46 gui can inflict burn with basic attacks so she can easily be sp positive. you can even play her with full energy recharge to make her apply even more debuffs because most of the damage is coming from acheron
@michaelafolabi7774
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the guide Mr Xlice
@IshimurA99
6 ай бұрын
Thank you for this interesting and informative video, it will help a lot!
@Soopystego
6 ай бұрын
Hands down the best guide for Acheron thus far. Thank you very much for the content Mr Xlice.
@hogbeancreamyt5295
6 ай бұрын
A bit of note, if this wasn't changed in the beta, kafka can activate 1 stack of acheron's ult when using kafka's follow-up atk
@Gration_
6 ай бұрын
Weird to bring up the Pearls LC in just Pela's team synergy part alone, and not do that for literally every other Nihility teammate, because everyone else also becomes SP positive, technically, if you're just throwing out basics, and both Welt and Black Swan will apply the LC def shred to the entire field when they ult, like Pela. Same thing goes for if you gave them Incessant Rain, which is Welt's BiS. Fire MC with Trend also needs to be mentioned as it can super charge her gaining stacks, and no one else has a guaranteed chance to Taunt ATM. Welt is also considered a "Sustain" in Acheron's case kind of playing a jack of all trades role when given Pearls/Rain, and played as a Sub DPS (Which really has no downsides if you're also running Sparkle). You trade more damage on acheron's Turn for CC/more damage elsewhere, also kind of letting you skip out on running a traditional sustain. If using welt your E0 shell can become Acheron, Welt, Pela, Sparkle/Bronya (Requires you to actually play the team right though), and at E2 it's Acheron, Welt, Sparkle/Bronya and literally anyone you want, letting you throw potentially another DPS in the mix to really push home the "They can't hit me if they're dead" theme.
@Benisbucker
6 ай бұрын
Honestly Luocha seems super good for the Acheron + Welt combo since he's really the only SP positive 5 star sustain
@jeanpierrelizarraga539
6 ай бұрын
Thx bro for your opinion , waiting for the detailed guide 😊
@Neuvillette_Of_Fontaine
6 ай бұрын
Well that reassures me that we can use Welt’s LC because that’s literally all I had for her Like I would’ve liked « goodnight sleep well » LC cuz apparently it’s a very good f2p weapon and I kept seeing builds where Welt’s weapon wasn’t there so I was a little worried But then again I’m using it and she deals pretty good damage although she’s not finished at all. Thank you for the guide !
@adrenalmoon787
6 ай бұрын
Wow great guide. I’m glad you got into the server because I haven’t really watched your content before easy sub.
@vjukz4427
6 ай бұрын
Acheron is so strong rn and she’ll only get better and better once we have more nihility/debuffers units since what we have right now is pretty limited and most nihilities are DoT units. I had a dream that a 5 star debuffer is coming soon(2.3/2.4) and lets just say he will be stupidly broken with her if it’s true.
@yoiaka.l0ver728
6 ай бұрын
There were some leaks a while ago (dont know if its true yet though) that there would be a 5* girl that is a dedicated acheron support with some healing abilities. If that were true that would be insane
@lilimin-1335
6 ай бұрын
Her problem is lightcone options that's the only thing . She is pretty insane otherwise like team is not a problem Imo
@moku2s511
6 ай бұрын
@@yoiaka.l0ver728 Spoilers/Leaks The character your talking about is Jiaoqiu who is apparently a pink male foxian chef who is a nihility that can heal and defense shred. So yeah he obviously is Acheron's bis sustain but then again any DPS can also benefit that kit.
@Hhhh22222-w
6 ай бұрын
@@yoiaka.l0ver728boy
@Hhhh22222-w
6 ай бұрын
probably 2.4/2.5 tbh
@mormegil84
6 ай бұрын
Hoyo must want massive sales for her, based on all these early access videos. I wonder why they didn't do this for characters like Jingliu or DHIL.
@Hhhh22222-w
6 ай бұрын
Cause this is newly implemented and ofc they want good sales
@MrSuckeragi
6 ай бұрын
The way she can heal up with Galagher's Ult debuff is great ^_^ definitely pairing them up
@beanswater
6 ай бұрын
I feel like Pearls of Sweat is gonna be really good on her. Sure it doesn't have any damage bonus, but it does have a debuff on hit, meaning Acheron can get 2 stacks on her turn allowing a faster ult. Basically faster ult, less damage vs slower ult, more damage of GNSW.
@asoret
6 ай бұрын
Or... you can just give that to pela or any nihility support she has, giving the same but letting archeron equip another like GNSW for more damage
@beanswater
6 ай бұрын
@@asoret I don't think you get what I'm saying. It's about Acheron herself getting a debuff to proc her stacks, it doesn't matter what kind of debuff. So it wont be the same if someone else equips it because she'll only get 1 stack instead of 2 if she doesn't have it, get it?
@UnbelievableLins
6 ай бұрын
1 : one bonus stack doesn't cover all the damage loss. 2 : with x2 on skill you need Hanabi to have a meaningful number of extra ults. 3 : with Hanabi in a team at E0 - it's minus 160% damage or minus preservation with market. Both a very bad.
@c.r.3323
6 ай бұрын
@@UnbelievableLins Just keep in mind that acheron doesnt get 160% dmg just from the 3rd nihility. its 115% if 2, 160% if 3. so, from using 2 to using 3 the increase would be just 45%. Hanabi, ignoring the fact that she also increases Atk, Crit Dmg and gives more actions per cicle; increases dmg by 48%. Bronya, also ignoring the fact of the extra action and Atk, Crit dmg buffs. gives 10% dmg + 66% on skill. Ruan Mei, increases dmg by 68. ignoring the all type res pen and speed buffs. The only questionable choices would be yukong and asta, where you must evaluate wether the 45% dmg (+ w/e utility the other nihility offers) will offset their buffs. Im ignoring hanya since she isnt particularly amazing in any team, and tingyun since her main gimmick is the energy. Although i agree that pearls isnt a particularly good option, a harmony will be better ( most of the times ) than the 2nd extra nihility char, meaning that the best acheron comps of 2.1 will most likely be Acheron/Nihility/Harmony/Sustain for the average player, maybe if you want 0 cicle you'll most likely run another nihility / harmony over the sustain, depending on your options. This is if the numbers stay the same, who knows.
@zeru5195
6 ай бұрын
To note, Fermata is actually better then it first appears for her if you use Black Swan, Sampo or Kafka. As the enemy only needs to have Wind Sheer/Shock for Acheron to get the damage % buff from the LC. It is copium for sure, but better then nothing until you can stat-stick Welt's LC or pull a GNSW.
@ieatwalnut9088
6 ай бұрын
S5 gnsw gives 96 %? Dmg bonus if full stack though.
@nerotv836
6 ай бұрын
S5 gnsw is 72% dmg increase max. And that’s not so “f2p”. Running Fermata with Black Swan (or any dot character) would help any f2p players that don’t have gnsw.
@fattyflip4168
6 ай бұрын
This is a very well put together guide. Thank you Mr Xlice, I am a very happy frog
@yuta-jb3hw
6 ай бұрын
25 pulls, 57 pity, on 50/50 with all her mats farmed, praying i get her ‼️
@Kioh.
6 ай бұрын
Praying for you to get her early 🤞🤞
@anamedninja5536
6 ай бұрын
28:40 Doesn't Fire MC also apply taunt as a debuff?
@asoret
6 ай бұрын
Yes they do, also build effect rate normally
@theprometheu5
6 ай бұрын
Dont forget that u need E2 Gallagher for the cleanse! 1-2 drops of him is kinda guaranteed when pulling for Acheron, but make sure to use the 4-star selector for him if u dont have him at E2! Cleanse is make or brake!
@thadziegler5510
6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video, and have a nice trip. Also I'm wondering, since Acheron's E6 makes all of he damage be considered Ult damage, would that mean her basic and skill can benefit from the SU blessings that buff Ult damage like the Erudition path? If so that could get pretty juiced
@asoret
6 ай бұрын
I guess so, its overkill, maybe the game gets boring
@kaizermierkrazy6886
6 ай бұрын
I can't believe Xlice quit playing Honkai SR to play Cookie Run Kingdom
@fredxu99
6 ай бұрын
I'm a bit miffed by how restrictive this character is, at least until E2S1 which is whale/dolphin territory. With great power comes great account-building requirements.. It very much feels like you would need to tailor the account around Acheron at E0, commit to her lightcone or at least a banner with GNSW, commit to Pela and S5 Pearls, and then commit to a 3rd Nihility. Just so many extra asterisks with this one that I'm hesitant to pull.
@kbyebleha2978
6 ай бұрын
I have e1s1 black swan and e0s1 Kafka, gonna be running Acheron with them and maybe a gepard with the burn lc
@daboski24
6 ай бұрын
I think Huohuo would be great for the E0 Acheron with 2 other Nihility characters since her ultimate also buffs Attack.
@shahrulikram4123
6 ай бұрын
But you lose the energy increase from it so it's not worth it
@catz_ee
6 ай бұрын
Secret meta pick for Acheron is Fire Traiblazer. Their Taunt from the skill counts as a debuff, and they're by far the best user of Trends of the Universal Market due to said taunt. However, they're very skill point hungry and can't do anything about AoE attacks, but in terms of sheer amount of Acheron stacks they're the best.
@Kioh.
6 ай бұрын
I'm going to get Acheron, using Acheron / Pela / Gepard and maybe Black Swan or Bronya, and then pulling for Jingliu. After that, maybe I'll do passive farming for a long, long time until some unit comes out for Acheron. Waiting for Caterina and Constance if they become playable ofc.
@mafimok
6 ай бұрын
We are underestimating the MOMMY team comp of Acheron+BS+Kafka, BS works well with both of them, and Kafka still provides debuffs for Acheron. Its like Jingliu+Blade team comps, 2 DPS dealing high(not max) damage. I would still use my PELA with Jingliu tho, that Ice RES debuff is priceless for JL+penacony 2pc bonus.
@asoret
6 ай бұрын
Seems painful for skill points, but I saw it work, would rather make 2 teams with those
@Calared
6 ай бұрын
20:35 If you play her with Fu Xuan you can aim for 50% crit rate because she gives 12% crit rate with her skill. So Izumo + Fu Xuan = free 24% crit rate.
@SheinSeven
6 ай бұрын
Awesome guide! Thanks!
@necasa4919
6 ай бұрын
E2 is a game changer and enhances Acheron a lot, that much is true, but I fail to see why so many people think of it as an overly enticing eidolon for the character, or rather, why would anyone think she is unplayable without it. It's not even about the damage increase her trace provides, as I do believe a well invested harmony can make up for that. The problem here is how her stacking mechanic works, few harmony units can assist with debuffing the enemy as consistently as any nihility. Sure, the eidolon gives Acheron one stack when it's her turn, but I'd rather keep another nihility that can apply two debuffs with the basic/skill and ult. I'd rather let her ult more frequently if the loss in dps is not that noticeable honestly. Perhaps this applies to players that may have invested a lot in harmony units like Sparkle or Ruan Mei and want to put them in her team instead of a nihility character, which they may be missing or just don't want to build or play with.
@twalker5801
6 ай бұрын
Fire MC can taunt (which is a debuff itself) and force enemies to hit him and take burn from Trend of the Universal Market.
@aranyaprakash5537
6 ай бұрын
I think we are forgetting something that is fire preservation trailblazer if we put the right lightcone on trailblazer we maybe able to stack up a lot of defuffs , BTW I am going for e0s1 acheron wish me luck
@asoret
6 ай бұрын
Also his taunt counts as a debuff
@ninthfriend3347
6 ай бұрын
About the Lc, fermata is a good option for those who has Sampo on their account. While Sampo himself doesn't help with amplifying Acheron's damage, Acheron gets so much self buff from her kit so she'll still do a lot of damage. Black Swan is a better pick if they pulled for her previously. But great video overall! You should e6s5 her!!!
@ducduong8276
6 ай бұрын
Good luck on rolling for Acheron my fellow players, I personally are eyeing that juicy e2 😂😂 50/50 but everyone can dream yeah?
@zanzatbc
6 ай бұрын
Finally! I’ve been waiting for this since Xlice said he was part of the creator server. I love how exhaustive his videos are.
@mikoajbaszczyszyn4568
6 ай бұрын
I should be able to have about 210-220 pulls by the time her banner ends, so hopefully I'll get her to E0 S1. I've had pretty bad luck with character 50/50s, and only pulled Fu Xuan's LC, so I'd be going from 0 pity and no guarantee xd Pray for me friends.
@Kioh.
6 ай бұрын
Cheering and praying for you to get her early lil bro, we got this. 🤞
@Zizzrick
6 ай бұрын
Hey Xlice! Great guide Quick question on the SPD boots, particularly for E6 since you do a decent amount of damage with E do you believe it's still an ATK boot angle over SPD?
@positivegamerchanel5411
6 ай бұрын
You can use hanabi/bronya/both and stick with atk boots, althrought 134 spd transform her in your average dps but with higher damage ceiling and costy ultimate
@Hhhh22222-w
6 ай бұрын
Yes spd is overall better if you have her at higher eidolons, atk gives like 10% dmg boost, not worth it over being able to ult every 2 turn
@Godsthetics
6 ай бұрын
Casual reminder to Xlice that activating her Ult inflicts all type res down through her talent which IS a debuff (4pcs pioneer)😁👍
@Erox006
6 ай бұрын
dictone got us worried for nothing . he was pretty critical of her in the vid and kekhoyo cops have still approved of this
@pie__rat
6 ай бұрын
Keep in mind, E2 is really good but the part that gives slashed dream and crimson knot might be a bit of a bait. This is part of the E2 because you are encouraged to remove a nihility character from your team, and that nihility character would produce slashed dream and crimson knot on their own with their debuffs. So it is kind of compesation for lacking that second nihility and not an "extra", at least in most cases. Ofc E2 is broken, just pointing out something i noticed. Correct me if i am wrong on this one tho.
@st.lucient4755
6 ай бұрын
It's not that "you're wrong", but more that "you're right, but added nothing new." E2 essentially is the complete release from needing a 3rd Nihil member in the party. And via that release, you can now put in a Harmony char (Sparkle/Bronya) which in turn boost the Damage per turn by a TON. (talking about +20-30% per turn) Cause they not only buff her, but also bump her action turn forward. It all ultimately boils down to : E2 raises the damage ceiling per turn.
@pie__rat
6 ай бұрын
@@st.lucient4755 that's exactly what i am saying, just letting people know that the entire value of the E2 is the fact that you can bring a harmony for example instead of a second nihility, but the rest of the E2 is just compesation for that. It's not that it gives you 3 different stuff that you wouldnt get if you didnt have E2, but more like, it gives you one broken bonus (the ability to remove a nihility for sparkle for example) and the rest of E2 is just to let you still get the SD and CK stacks even with that harmony, otherwise your ultimate would charge slower if you would remove that nihility.
@shad0wXaX
6 ай бұрын
No one mentions fire MC. I feel they might be worth using if they can solo sustain with taunt and the burn light cone inflicting 2 debuffs
@NotDanch
6 ай бұрын
Get the bag Xlice!
@tjumo
6 ай бұрын
Excellent guide. Thx!
@chuu0432
6 ай бұрын
Thank you for your hard work Xlice 🙏
@oldmandancinv2
6 ай бұрын
Surprised of zero mention of fire mc. He can taunt and with the lightcone and a bit of effect hit rate substats he can be juat as good as gall
@khalisilhamsharul
6 ай бұрын
I've already farmed her talents, ascend and relics for her😊😊😊. I prefarmed before the livestream
@uniquesence
6 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for the vid!
@miaki6299
6 ай бұрын
Xlice, do you have any plans on making a Gallagher guide? He's a 4 star character so you might not cover him. But I like your guides a lot so fingers crossed you would make one for him.
@dnielgr
6 ай бұрын
I freaking love Xlays' guides
@BoyKagome
5 ай бұрын
I'd probably swap out Bronya for Asta, Asta breaks multiple targets and adds a debuff filling Acherons flowers more. As for Tank or Healer - Aventurine debuffs the enemy and gives a tight stackable shield. Plus, his follow ups break imaginary enemies a lot.
@cmszd_
6 ай бұрын
24:31 welts a2 passive increases damage taken by all enemies for 12% after using his ult
@kyoga5714
6 ай бұрын
idrc if acheron isn't a must pull or f2p friendly, i started the game for kafka and now i'm playing the game for acheron and that's just how it is.
@kapiprzybysz1295
6 ай бұрын
Great guide! Have a nice trip.
@SM-oc4rc
6 ай бұрын
Hoyo really know that she is gonna sell well, that's why there is so much of her strength split into her LC and her E2.
@ShepardCommander
6 ай бұрын
If fire trailblazer taunt counts as a debuff, I can see fire trailblazer coming back (unfortunately sp negative, but you take what you can get)
@YokanAemi
6 ай бұрын
Hello, i'm a new player just a week ago, TL 51, and I know i'll be juiced dry by acheron like what she did with black swan :) pls halp
@yixo
6 ай бұрын
What you didn't mention is that Gallagher unlike majority of usually recommended supports does not have a cleanse.
@yuan8467
6 ай бұрын
he was changed a while ago, he does have cleanse now but only at e2
@Hhhh22222-w
6 ай бұрын
He does have at E2, not a cleanse but he increases effect res
@asoret
6 ай бұрын
@@Hhhh22222-w It is a cleanse, plus effect res (you can also do a skill heal cleanse + ultimate + another skill heal cleanse)
@yixo
6 ай бұрын
@@yuan8467 Ah good, this' literally a thing that makes or breaks healers.
@miles0995
6 ай бұрын
The way she unsheathes the blade... Crimson Weave breaks through the 4th dimensional barrier 😅.
@howorwhat3088
6 ай бұрын
For me is ez pick i really want Sparkle but losing 50/50 put me in difficult position now i grantee next 5 star plus i have enough for LC (even losing (75/25)) or go for Sparkle and E0S0 Acheron. But i already decided go for E0S1 because i have bronya E2.
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