aegon the conqueror : "a targaryen must sit on the iron throne" D&D : "wHaT tHrOnE??"
@imnotmark3053
7 ай бұрын
😂
@justineharper3346
Жыл бұрын
I think I heard this theory on Grey Area’s channel, but I thought it was cool: Aegon did tell Cregan Stark about the prophecy, and the Starks passed it down to their heirs like the Targaryens. The reason they don’t know about it at the start of the series is because both the Lord (Rickard Stark) and the heir (Brandon Stark) were killed at the same time by the Mad King. Ned was never supposed to be the Lord of Winterfell, so they never told him. I thought it was a cool parallel to the Targaryens who also died before passing it down at some point.
@johnsondj248
9 ай бұрын
The Starks already knew about the others in the north the Targaryens and the Starks was supposed to have a child (the pact of ice and fire) which will make that child the prince that was promised with descendants of old Valyria and the descendants of the kings of winter
@jahrodibnlamont5227
3 ай бұрын
This also happened to the Targarayans well before the beginning of HotD. Jaehaerys wasn't in line for the thrown either. He was the 3rd son of Aenys. Aegon the Uncrowned would have received the prophecy from Aenys who was told directly from Aegon the Conqueror. But Aegon the Uncrowned and Viserys were killed by Maegor. Jaehaerys was a young boy when he, his sister and mother fled from Kingslanding. Making it very hard to believe he would have received the prophecy from either of his older brothers!
@SouLvuR
2 жыл бұрын
Also notice how the Starks at the end of HotD stick around to put a Targaryen on the throne and nothing else when they really could have taken power
@ddnlee24
2 жыл бұрын
I hope the spin off with Jon Snow. The night king comes back and Jon he finds a dragon egg and gives all of them the finger and flies away, because he's the true king. Bran knows there must always be a Targaryen on the throne yet he put his handicap tail in the seat.
@gudhaxer41343
Жыл бұрын
@@ddnlee24 Thats if he truly is Bran lol. If he's the 3ER then technically a Targaryen's on the throne in a stark's body.
@oriesheppard8498
Жыл бұрын
I hope the Snow show doesn’t happen, he killed my queen, he should have been executed by Grey Worm
@Rigomortis84
2 жыл бұрын
🤣 "Any day now" - I've been waiting 11 years for Winds of Winter
@thegreatpage5912
2 жыл бұрын
The ironic twist of the conquest is it started the slow decline of the Night's Watch. Without the constant war in the realms, defeated warriors was rarely sent to the wall.
@xxraptorxx8180
Жыл бұрын
Wow I never thought about it that way
@LetsGetitBoah
2 жыл бұрын
Rumors that they're hiring Henry Cavill to play Aegon in flashback scenes next season. With Elizabeth Olsen possibly playing one of the sisters.
@sanitizerwilson1599
2 жыл бұрын
That will so cool with Henry Cavill playing Aegon I
@MourningCoffeeMusic
2 жыл бұрын
It sucks that D&D took a big doodoo pie on the prophecy instead of building upon it like House of Dragon is. Almost hurts House of Dragon entirely if both shows are supposed to be attached. Perhaps the new Snow series will help clear things up for the prophecy somehow?
@CrusaderChris
2 жыл бұрын
I imagine they’ll try to connect it to Jon Snow somehow. Dave and Dan often abandoned high fantasy elements of the story, like Lady Stoneheart and Dany’s dreams and Jon’s warging.
@morgan79737
2 жыл бұрын
SNOW is blatantly going to have the Night King be "revived" somehow just so it can come to pass that Jon is the one to defeat him. I can't see it going any other way.
@williamwhitfield6225
2 жыл бұрын
@@morgan79737 Ehhh I don’t know about that, although I don’t think the white walkers or “others” will ever be truly defeated. Really feels like somewhat of a cycle going on. I could see him journeying far north to the heart of winter looking for answers.
@sophiawilson8696
2 жыл бұрын
@@williamwhitfield6225 That so cool I have always thought that they ending with foot prints of the others going deeper into North as last screen shot.
@sanitizerwilson1599
2 жыл бұрын
@@CrusaderChris that is true I understand why they did with Lady Stoneheart. Dany's and the other children warging abilities. They throw in the garbage. The Lady Stoneheart's storyline they only wanted Jon raising from dead. I like the Stoneheart storyline in books.
@PastLifeVillian
Жыл бұрын
This part is kinda obvious to me: Rhaegar is obsessed with “three” because of Aegon, Visenya and Rhaenys (the original conquerors) and believes he has to have 3 children to fulfill the prophecy. Elia Martell can no longer bear children, and so she is passed on at the tourney for Lyanna Stark who Rhaegar believes will give him a 3rd child to fulfill the prophecy (the 3rd child being Jon Snow). He naturally assumes his oldest male heir will be the “prince who was promised”, but he will be mistaken because Aegon “VI” was killed by the Mountain. It will be Jon Snow who is the prince who was promised.
@ZombicidalMadMom81
2 жыл бұрын
Also, I feel like the stuff we're given/told in House of the Dragon could be considered in line w/ book canon since GRRM is credited as being one of the writers for HotD. He wasn't actively involved in the writing of GOT, he just gave D&D notes on where he planned on ending up and the broad strokes of how he'd get there. D&D had to fill in the blanks and they failed miserably
@Ms.Byrd68
2 жыл бұрын
That's not how 'Canon' works. His books concerning this period are already written. The show is not ADDING to them, it is trying to INTERPRET Canon in a way that makes sense for the TV Viewer. Take the 'Ten Commandments' movie with Charleston Heston. He plays the *biblical Moses,* and in the Movie version there is a _relationship_ and plenty of dialogue between himself and Ramsey's wife... that's not in the Bible and putting it in the movie did nothing to change the Biblical narrative. The _Ten Plagues_ all mentioned but not graphically shown with no real attention given to any but the most important ones. That doesn't change the fact that they are written about at length in scripture. *CANON*
@mackmitchell94
2 жыл бұрын
HOTD is GOT canon lol
@Ms.Byrd68
2 жыл бұрын
@@mackmitchell94 Okay you mean for the TV Show, right? I can agree with that but they're gonna have to show us how the Red Witch and her people know the prophecy as well as explain how the BROKEN line of succession still got the prophecy to 'Dany's brother'.
@sophiawilson8696
2 жыл бұрын
@@Ms.Byrd68 in the show canon they skip Jaehnerys II all😕 together. Skip the kids of Aegon V kids doesn't make sense. Yes i know they wanted make Jon and Aemon's relationship more simple. Aegon V had 5 kids. Aerys was his grandson not son like they explain in show version.
@sophiawilson8696
2 жыл бұрын
@@mackmitchell94 for that, read the book. Azor Hai was legend in Essos long before Valyira was raise as empire.
@anbuookami13
2 жыл бұрын
Hotd is suppose to be closer to book canon according to Grrm. So I think it's fair to consider it canon to the world of asoiaf. Great vid btw
@sanitizerwilson1599
2 жыл бұрын
That knife bs it all show canon!! There is a sword called Lightbringer and other sword called Dawn in the Books version.
@jahrodibnlamont5227
3 ай бұрын
Jaehaerys wasn't in line for the thrown either. He was the 3rd son of Aenys. Aegon the Uncrowned would have received the prophecy from Aenys who was told directly from Aegon the Conqueror. But Aegon the Uncrowned and Viserys were both killed by Maegor. Jaehaerys was a young boy when he, his sister and mother fled from Kingslanding. Making it very hard to believe he would have received the prophecy from either of his older brothers!
@lizd.8655
2 жыл бұрын
I think I remember that Rhaella and Aerys were forced to marry because a woods witch who was connected the Jenny of Oldstones (wife of Prince Duncan) prophesized that the Prince the Was Promised would come from their line
@stephaniespain9849
2 жыл бұрын
That’s exactly what happened
@Mainlyeverything
2 жыл бұрын
Yep, rhaegar thought he was the prince that was promised for that specific reason However, he realised it wasn't him and that it would be one of his progeny. Name has to be aegon
@MacMeelo
2 жыл бұрын
Aegon was quite the man.
@dhalps23
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! Love how you tie it together with the Starks and going back to Torrhen Stark (the King who knelt).
@jamieammar6131
Жыл бұрын
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@themonologuer
2 жыл бұрын
Quick little theory. I believe the baby the night king was turning into a white walker, was his way of making a prince (maybe like an heir). Thus still making the long night prophecy still be a looming threat towards Westeros, and this is where the Jon Snow TV show could focus on, also giving them a chance to make the prince who was promised prophecy come true. I could be completely wrong, but this is one solution I think they could use to save the horrid writing from season 8 long night episode
@sanitizerwilson1599
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe! that they use the Children create a different set of White Walkers. The Early set that see Essos were the Original Ones.
@BoStOnFaN8112
2 жыл бұрын
Amen !!
@sparshmudgal4345
2 жыл бұрын
I hope they’re listening to you. This only seems fair considering how the Night King fell so cheaply after seasons of hyping & momentous building! They must expand on the whole threat surely!
@stephenbennett6108
2 жыл бұрын
No thanks
@ddnlee24
2 жыл бұрын
That’ll be awesome
@ZombicidalMadMom81
2 жыл бұрын
I really love the Stark stuff at the end, great ideas!
@chrismac718
2 жыл бұрын
So it makes sense why the night king arrived when he did during HBOGOT. Their was no longer a Targaryen on the throne
@gingerandbroke1402
Жыл бұрын
The night king isn't a thing in the books though.
@natemccollum3731
Жыл бұрын
Ya it’s more like The Others we’re awakened rather than a Night King It’s a nice theory, but definitely not the case because Aegon created the Iron Throne well after the Long Night was over, and the whole reason he conquered Westeros is because he believed the Targaryens were the best option to fend of The Others. TLDR- if The Others awakened once the Targaryens were displaced on the Iron Throne, what was holding them back the thousands of years the Iron Throne existed
@Teddy-se8qb
2 жыл бұрын
i firmly believe torrhen stark believed his story about the prince who was promised. he knew winter was coming.
@stephaniespain9849
2 жыл бұрын
Nice video and I’m sure it will be helpful for those that aren’t deep in the knowledge of GRRM books.
@Lizzard2060
2 жыл бұрын
Again with the interpretations that "three dragons means three Targaryen's" and not one Targaryen, Dani with three dragons. Aemon said it was the interpretations and chasing those dreams that got Targaryen's in trouble and he wasn't joking. Everyone thinks it's about them rather then being further down the line. Maybe 200+ years sometimes.
@sanitizerwilson1599
2 жыл бұрын
Yes thank you @!!!!!!!! Three Riders the show decided skip all that.
@sophiawilson8696
2 жыл бұрын
It find three riders for the Dragons.
@TheRoguePrince0
2 жыл бұрын
I think victarion greyjoy did exist in the show canon in season 1 because tyrion tells Theon that he remembers when Theon (uncles more than one ) attacked lannisport and burnt the lannister fleet.
@luischavezjr6047
2 жыл бұрын
Good breakdown. I knew a lot going into this but then you broke it down further. Thanks
@thegamerboneless2864
2 жыл бұрын
I hope they do the hedge knight, dance is great, even the Jon show, but hedge knight is probably one of his best. Then maybe we can get blackfry rebellions.
@bigt2079
Жыл бұрын
Patrice laughing at the end totally caught me off guard.😂
@yogadork_namaste
2 жыл бұрын
You deserve so many more subscribers. Good luck ser, and i appreciate the work you put into this video.
@gsdmickey2976
2 жыл бұрын
That should not even be mentioned because GOT messed it up by having Arya kill the night King and not J. Snow.🤝
@sanitizerwilson1599
2 жыл бұрын
Why!!!! ?? D and D did a lot of different things, and having Dany go nuts in single season? mess up decision, but having Arya killing the Night King was ok!!! There is no Promise Son, it was team effort!!!!. Jon hold the dead Dragon at bay while Arya struck the killing blow.
@v1ngsn3s99
2 жыл бұрын
totally agree
@Mr.Slime9812
2 жыл бұрын
someones said the Night King coudlve turned a human into a nightwalker as an heir. just a theory but could be one ot lead off of
@AnMaPa
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think it really matters that Arya killed the night king. Dany was able to unite all the different kingdoms and Jon led the army. They're both Targaryens, so prophecy was fulfilled. The night king isn't even cannon in the books. Prophecy never mentioned who would kill whom.
@sanitizerwilson1599
2 жыл бұрын
@@Mr.Slime9812 Or son of King who the King of all the First Men thousand years ago before the Andals.
@ryankwon8785
2 жыл бұрын
My Theory on Show Universe not Book Universe Aegon's dream required a Targaryen leading Westeros not to deal the final blow against the Night King. Leaders lead wars. They do not always participate in the battles. The White Walkers, similar to the Targaryens, diminished over time. They no longer have the giant spiders and other dark creatures they once used during the first Long Night. It is likely Azor Ahai traveled to Essos to learn the art of stealth and assassination. The skills of stealth helped Azor Ahai avoid the white walkers to reach the Children of the Forest. The Children would give the valeyrian dagger, made from the dragonglass that built the Night King, to Azor Ahai. The dagger helped Azor Ahai stealthily kill many white walkers that lead legions of wights. The White Walkers would lose their might dark creatures, such as giant spiders, to the First Men and Children of the Forest alliance. Azor Ahai traveled back to Essos and entrusted the dagger to the red priests who over time later entrusted the dagger to the Targaryen family of Valeyria. The Red Priests believe the same method Azor Ahai used to defeat the White Walkers is needed to end the second Long Night, thus the prophecy of Azor Ahai being reborn was made. However, that was not the case. R'hllor is involved in the fight against the White Walkers. However, the Many-Faced God was also involved via Arya since the Night King is an aberration and an insult towards death. It makes sense that R'hllor starts the fight and the Many-Faced God's follower ends it.
@sophiawilson8696
2 жыл бұрын
I think there were an other battle with the Others. Before the Children on Westores and it fought Near The Dawn Empire.
@sanitizerwilson1599
2 жыл бұрын
Rhllor and the Many-Faced God is one of the same, but called a different name. I think this on going war, Series of cycles who knows how many times this happen on Plantoes.
@GodMajik
3 ай бұрын
Death must kill Un-Death
@tibolcb6446
5 ай бұрын
In HBO canon at the time the night King is defeated, it's Cersei Lannister that sits on the iron throne, not a Targaryen. That doesn't match the HBO canon prophecy at all: "And if the world of men is to survive, a Targaryen must be seated on the Iron Throne."
@pittcitywhat4424
2 ай бұрын
Exactly. That’s what I don’t understand
@jennyvillarreal5490
3 ай бұрын
You said that only Targaryens have mystical abilities aside from green men and wargs. I think the Children of the Forest, the Faceless Men, Bloodraven/the Three-eyed Crow, and the Red Priests/Priestesses also do. I even think the Others/White Walkers do, as well.
@ichigoxrukia02
2 жыл бұрын
Let Dany be resurrected in the Jon Snow Spin Off, making them both The Prince That Was promised, then have a child and BOOM "The three dragons" = The three Targaryens.
@hippoboy9793
2 жыл бұрын
Then March over to kings landing and kill Bran.
@stephaniespain9849
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah a girl can dream but I don’t think it’s going to happen 😩
@Mainlyeverything
2 жыл бұрын
This won't happen The death of house targaryen is a major plot point people seem to miss If you look at most of the targaryen royals, many had terrible lives and deaths and caused millions to die in Westeros. Jon refused the name because he knew it meant trouble. The show marks the official end of house targaryen
@hadikhan5197
Жыл бұрын
@@Mainlyeverything I don’t think so.. about the end of Targaryen line. It’s highly unlikely. They’re the main Protagonists and the main Antagonists of this Fictional Universe. Wouldn’t make any sense at all. And Most definitely Not in the way some people assume. Interpret and/or “Wish” for it to happen Only because they feel it makes them seem different and cool. Acolytes of Subverting expectations Faith 🤣🤣🤣🤪🤪
@Jay-pd9kc
Жыл бұрын
Wasn’t the prophecy fulfilled for killing the night king?
@acemonoxide5249
4 ай бұрын
“It’s not a loop it’s a spiral”
@JiangXina
2 жыл бұрын
Tell that’s to Dumb & Dumber, at this point no matter how time they tell us the prophecy in the house of the dragon show, at the end of it we are all knows what is going to happen at the end of GOT
@NickGeeraerts
7 ай бұрын
Nice video good explained i learned i great deal thanks
@darshanjaglall2515
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the war hasn’t started yet since there making a Jon Snow show. What if there’s a bigger threat then the night king or he wasn’t the night king at all and that’s who Jon has to battle in his new show
@Rebel_Lord_Taron
4 ай бұрын
I think Rhaegar what is either maybe a dragon dreamer or he might have had a little bit of green cedar power have you all ever noticed the parallels kind of between him and, Jojen Reed? Jordan Reed was he seems like he knew more than he should for his age he was wise for his young age he also was kind of sad all the time, he knew when he was going to die so that kind of made him a little bit sad and a little bit dark anyway and you know that people said kind of the same thing about rhaegar how he always had a kind of a sadness about him was a little bit of melancholy and yeah he we know he pursued the prophecy thing so maybe he knew what was going to happen in the end and that's how he knew that he was not azor ahai but perhaps his son was.... And perhaps he knew he was going to die sometime soon as well.
@starscourge_blackfyre1471
Жыл бұрын
I don't think he told torrhen anything, we have multiple texts that explain he bent the knee as to not kill the north as the king of the Rock and reach did to their men.
@ertaskwn
3 ай бұрын
The prophesy makes no use at the end of Got as Arya is the one killing the Whitewalker !They completely destroyed it 🫤
@thetalesofelbek7042
2 жыл бұрын
Starks won’t save Westeros , Jon and DAny will do it ( Targaryens) with the help of House Stark and other houses of course.
@dannyms5159
Жыл бұрын
Jon is a Stark though, Rhaegar didn't make him all by himself. And also judging by all the Targs we have seen so far, thank the Old Gods that Jon is more Stark than Targaryen. The crazy, sociopath gene seems to have escaped him.
@thetalesofelbek7042
Жыл бұрын
@@dannyms5159 no matter how Jon looks like he is a Targaryen, he is there because of Rhaegar Targaryen , No Rhaegar no Jon snow no savior of the world, some Targaryens went mad because of their dreams about the dragon and prince who was promised , they paid a huge price but it all worth it because no we have Jon and DAny who are going to save the world, probably die in the process.
@kevinrainbolt5755
Жыл бұрын
I’m the more I look at this stuff, the more that I believe that the setup for the Jon Snow series is getting more and more clear. I think there will be a wild dragon or two that will escape this war. Or eggs.
@chafrey8532
2 жыл бұрын
The book Fire and Blood is different than the show house of the dragon. So really it should be two completely separate canons. One for book only. One for show only stuff. George has said this himself. I do agree that Hot D seems to be trying to keep with book canon. But it is going to be different in the end. They won’t be able to follow fire and blood completely.
@PublicRestroom88
2 жыл бұрын
Grrm said himself that the fire and blood books are not completely accurate as they’re told from the perspective of an old maester and mushroom. The show is the more accurate representation of what actually happened, unless grrm writes another book set in the time period from the perspective of the people there
@chafrey8532
2 жыл бұрын
@@PublicRestroom88 I get that. But it doesn’t change the fact that the show is different cannon. Alicent has been aged down and never knew jaehaerys like she did In the books. Alicent and rhaenyra are never friends in the book. Laena and Laenor have been changed as well. The cannon has to be different.
@gregoryruff77
2 жыл бұрын
Everytime I hear anything about that prophecy in House of the Dragon I cringe. GOT turned it into something I never want to hear about again, it's still infuriating.
@twiggyjali
9 ай бұрын
if you look at the game of thrones logo, the 4 animals are dragon top left, wolf bottom left, lion top right, stag bottom right. dragon and wolf are aligned, but the superior one is dragon, that's why it's at the top. the stag sits the throne, but it's below the lion who has more power and has cucked their house. the 2 biggest powers are dragon vs lion at the top, which is exactly how the show plays out.
@vanessacrystalconsciousnes7156
3 ай бұрын
I hope the 3rd one is Tyrion. He's got targ hair, the mad king could have slept with his mom, I love it
@hasan_usman
2 жыл бұрын
next show from this realm has to be the jon snow one!!!
@Blank_really
6 ай бұрын
In this theory video about an imaginary low fantasy world. The guy who made the video gave a high Fantasy line "When George releases winds of winter and a dream of spring, any day now"
@michaelcasino8517
2 жыл бұрын
Very good
@sanitizerwilson1599
2 жыл бұрын
The legend of PTWP told for thousand years it even turn into religion R'hllo, The Lord of Light (Fire God) The Fire Priests and Priestesses.
@TheMMObro
2 жыл бұрын
That ending LOL
@DD-zh4by
4 ай бұрын
Is anyone else terrified he'll spoil hotd in a tossed off reference?
@subicheg
2 жыл бұрын
rheagars both sons name same😬
@thomasdaywalt7735
2 ай бұрын
wait rhaegar mention his is the song of ice and fire he must have discovery the text of aegon's dream
@oriesheppard8498
Жыл бұрын
So just throwing this out there. What if young griff isn’t a Blackfyre, but is descended from Jaehaerys Targaryen through his daughter Saera, her name and Illiryo’s wives names similarities might not be a coincidence. So he wouldn’t be a member of House Blackfyre, just a very distant descendant of House Targaryen, which would make his claim quite weak.
@kd2453
2 ай бұрын
How does Cersei tie into this? Considering she is the one sitting the iron throne when the white walkers are defeated.
@dshepherd107
3 ай бұрын
I do think Tyrion is actually part Targaryen. I think Aerys did have sexual relations with Joanna. This would also explain his ability to be near Dany’s dragons without being harmed. They seem to accept him rather easily
@NickGeeraerts
7 ай бұрын
And Daniel Weiss en David Benioff,the creatiors of Game of Thrones
@Thrashyourhead
2 жыл бұрын
"ANY DAY NOW" 😂😂😂
@pikachulikesgambling5645
2 жыл бұрын
ahhh anyyyy day now 🥲
@jds6014
2 жыл бұрын
Curious if the lineage of passing down the song of ice and fire ends when Rneara dies?
@Mcherri
Жыл бұрын
I believe the prophecy stills stands in the Jon snow series coming probably an enemy coming that may not be like the night king but still just as dangerous. As long as Jon gets a dragon either drogon or an ice dragon along with ghost.I don’t care.
@juanitajones6900
2 жыл бұрын
I don't give a shit about the House Stark. I'm tired of people putting them on a pedestal.
@sophiawilson8696
2 жыл бұрын
LoL!
@kinghess9956
2 жыл бұрын
Well as we learned in game of thrones no jon gets banished to North of Wall
@ddnlee24
2 жыл бұрын
They made GOT about the starks when it was about Jon Snow..personally I didn't like the ending just Jon pretty much did all the work and his "siblings" still got to live better entitled lives and he had to go back to the wall...when he was the true king. Bran shouldv'e been his hand not the king.
@AnMaPa
2 жыл бұрын
Jon chose to go back to the wall, though. He didn't want to be king on the show
@ddnlee24
2 жыл бұрын
@@AnMaPa no they told him that was the only option because he killed Dani..they fight for him after all the fighting he did for them ungrateful bastards..Sansa aryah n bran..those brats got to live on and prosper while he had to go to the wall..they didn’t give him a chance to be the chosen prince.
@AnMaPa
Жыл бұрын
@@ddnlee24 oh yeah, you right. He did get sent there
@norahalmajed7515
Жыл бұрын
The books were always about the Starks! Jon is as much of a Stark as all the other siblings. The final book was named time for wolves before it was changed to dream of spring
@i2308Matt
2 жыл бұрын
How is John Snow going to lead when Bran is made King of the Seven at the end of season 8
@micheleford4282
2 жыл бұрын
all that mess about the prince that was promised and jon snow still knows nothing killed the only other targaryen and arya a stark saves the day. the only connection is the knife she used why didnt the prophecy just say hey yall keep this knife yall are going to need it lol. stupid jon destroyed the last chance to save the targaryen stupid d&d
@Baelor-Breakspear
9 ай бұрын
Maegor didn’t murder Aegon the uncrowned, he killed him in battle. Not really the same thing. He did murder other relatives but not that one.
@ocsjc13
11 ай бұрын
If that’s the same dagger from game of thrones how tf did little finger come across it
@dkkdkkc6
2 жыл бұрын
He will never release the next book. Hes dried out and already made a lot of money from the tv franchise.
@alfazri8466
Жыл бұрын
According to DnD, the answer is : "kind of"
@jairustheadventurer3935
2 жыл бұрын
The Fire is Danny, the Ice is Arya, and the middle ground is John Snow
@akshaypanwar4964
Жыл бұрын
what GOT did wrong was not making Jon the real hero , he had the name , he had the blood of dragon, fire and had the blood of stark , ice , it was stupid,to ignore the prophecy
@FuturesDoubleCup
2 жыл бұрын
I just can’t wait to see Rhenarya become the False queen & her mental start to fall apart just like Daenerys did because of everything that power & war comes with
@PedroLucas-mg5je
2 жыл бұрын
"War makes monsters of us all" - Thoros of Myr, A Feast for Crows
@ddnlee24
2 жыл бұрын
Rhaenery lineage isn't incest (her parents weren't bro/sis) so I don't think that would happen, if she does it would be because she's lost her kids or daemon. Dani's dad I believe was either a psychopath or bipolar due to have been heavenly inbred.
@LethargicWolf
2 жыл бұрын
Winters coming
@thequeenofdarkwhispers3467
2 жыл бұрын
That's why the starks built the wall to keep out others for enter behind wall the of the land of always winter no wonder why the starks are the oldest house in the North that makes sense. 🧐
@JosephHandibode
2 жыл бұрын
Got last 2 seasons not cannon
@ocsjc13
11 ай бұрын
House of the dragon is different from fire & blood
@XquiziteBeatz
2 жыл бұрын
I got a theory that aegons prophecy is being passed down all the way up to the game of thrones timeline to aerys II passing it down to rhegar.I believe that rhaegar and lyana stark intentionally had jon snow not from love! But rather mainly about the duty to fulfill that prophecy. I believe that the starks whos lineage went back to the days of the long night, passed this task down generations also like the targaryans. I believe it was the reason of how rhaenerya gained the starks on her side. She passed it down to her sons who flew out to the north to get the starks support for her claim to the throne (which happens in the book and probably on the show later on.
@theeagleofbavaria
2 жыл бұрын
In the books, a Targaryen will sit the Iron Throne as (f)Aegon will take King’s Landing. I think him and Jon will unite Westeros against the Others in Winds. I think the last chapter of the book will be Daenerys taking Dragonstone while the epilogue will be the Others crossing the Wall at Eastwatch, showing that they’re actually two parallel threats to Westeros.
@shaunlasich2330
2 жыл бұрын
There's every bit as good a chance that the Young Griff Aegon is actually a Blackfyre descendant who has been raised as if he was Prince Aegon.
@theeagleofbavaria
2 жыл бұрын
@@shaunlasich2330 Yes. I think he’s a Blackfyre, but he’s officially presented as Rhaegar’s son, so that would fit into the prophecy. And Blackfyre are actually Targaryen anyway. The interest with prophecies is that they are tricky and are fulfilled, but with a twist, otherwise it’s quite boring.
@shaunlasich2330
2 жыл бұрын
@@theeagleofbavaria Quite true about twists, but this brings up the problem GRRM now has in finishing his story, it's gotten way too big since he's started, so big that millions of people around the world invest their time into discussing theories on where he intends to go, and have figured out a number of his planned twists already. Young Griff being introduced so late may also just be to distract fans from the more obvious answer of the third head being Tyrion.
@thetalesofelbek7042
2 жыл бұрын
DAny is no threat , she is the savior who melt the others. FAegon won’t survive till the final battle with others. It will be DAny and Jon leading Westerosi.
@jerrancebowman965
2 жыл бұрын
@@thetalesofelbek7042 Jon is dead and not a targaryen all male targaryen's have their fathers hair even the bastards have their fathers hair this proves Jon is not targaryen he looks like a Strong
@kyrahandford9831
2 жыл бұрын
The night king is mention in the books
@CrusaderChris
2 жыл бұрын
The Night’s King* is, but not the Night King. They’re two different figures, the latter only in GoT.
@Vebian
2 жыл бұрын
he was a mad stark that became "king" of the night watch if i recall , not a demon made of ice (white walker)
@kyrahandford9831
2 жыл бұрын
I wasn't referring to the show night king
@sanitizerwilson1599
2 жыл бұрын
@@Vebian He a Bolton or Flint!!!!
@NickGeeraerts
7 ай бұрын
Also how dam good is game of thrones and the house of the dragon i seen it around 5 times 😅 and they are still making spin-offs fucking love it !!!!!! I also planning on reading the books aim not really the reading tipe but i really want to read the books so good stuff shoot-out to hbo for making the game of Thrones universe
@NickGeeraerts
7 ай бұрын
And Daniel Weiss en David Benioff, de makers van Game of Thrones
@92irishjoe
6 ай бұрын
Dude wtf was that ending
@nkundisebina7893
2 жыл бұрын
Didn't Rhaegar's grandparents get married because they believe the prince would be born from their line?! So that would mean a few Targaryen's had known prior to Rhaegar's birth! Although I do believe the Mad king genuinely didn't know about the prophesy! This may be due to what happened at Summerhal!
@sanitizerwilson1599
2 жыл бұрын
Very True and Viserys was way too young to told about the Prophesy!!! In the show Viserys was 4 and book version 7 years old when the Rebellion broke out.
@sophiawilson8696
2 жыл бұрын
Rhaegar's parents. His Grandfather force them together.
@shwix6534
2 жыл бұрын
They already did, dead king is dead so ...
@MrPuppysk
2 жыл бұрын
We’re the valerians black in the books ?
@CrusaderChris
2 жыл бұрын
It’s not really explicitly stated, but probably not.
@MrPuppysk
2 жыл бұрын
@@CrusaderChris I was just wondering if the baby thing in the last episode was part of the books like oh he has renys nose again 🤦🏼♀️
@RealVincent1989
2 жыл бұрын
It was literally about Daenerys, not Jon. Breaker of chains was plating durinf the scene.. but go off on this Jon as Azor Ahai propoganda
@CrusaderChris
2 жыл бұрын
If we’re talking about show Dany, they turned her into Hitler, so clearly she wasn’t meant to be TPTWP :)
@Nihilanth
2 жыл бұрын
@@CrusaderChris it doesn't matter what she did after. winter was only defeated because of her dragons and armies. Daenerys is azor ahai
@Mainlyeverything
2 жыл бұрын
@@Nihilanth episode 8 viserys basically says its aegon targaryen that is the prince that was promised. Aegon doesn't save the day but unite everyone in Westeros which is what jon does. Its clear the show fumbled the bag Azar ahai/prince that was promised is most likely the same person and is probably jon. GRRM loves the starks
@Nihilanth
2 жыл бұрын
@@Mainlyeverything it was breaker of chains playing in the background when Viserys told Rhaenyra about the prophecy. Jon divided the realm when he demanded the Northern independence. not to say he only united wildlings and northerners. Dany was the one with dothraki, unsullied, dornish, Tyrells, iron born, dragons, etc. in the books, it's definitely her. it's what her dragon dreams, visions and prophecies tell us.
@johnmarktan1615
2 жыл бұрын
Naa Arya will just jump around and they die,.woman power hahaha
@Batolsai
2 жыл бұрын
Any day now? u.u
@TheCbot88
Жыл бұрын
Wtf is “house of the dragon”??
@ousmanjallow7866
2 жыл бұрын
W
@stormborn4980
Жыл бұрын
The knight king is not a character in the books ? Is that what you said ? I replayed it couple of times
@CrusaderChris
Жыл бұрын
Correct. There is a historical character called the Night’s King, but he is unrelated to the show’s Night King.
@mjm1677
Жыл бұрын
Yes. There is no Night King in the books YET. But there is a suggestion that The Others are looking for a leader, someone to lead them through a wall. They are not mindless beasts in books. They have their own language and sense of humour.
@peteperkins3859
2 жыл бұрын
The answer to your question is NO. Jon isn't a Targaryen. He's a Stark. He's practically a Ned clone. His mother is Ashara Dayne.
@sanitizerwilson1599
2 жыл бұрын
Thank You!!! I think his true father Brandon Stark!!! Ned's oldest brother but we shall when the books comes out.
@DjNaste
2 жыл бұрын
R+L most certainly = J
@gooniechannell
2 жыл бұрын
Between Bran, Sam, and Gilly, they literally proved he was born a Targaryen.
@takezo466
2 жыл бұрын
@@gooniechannell how
@Mainlyeverything
2 жыл бұрын
Lmao Dumb and dumber only got the show because they answered that jon was lyanna son It's like an aragorn coming of age story but Jon's origin is a secret.
@sophiawilson8696
2 жыл бұрын
Jon Snow is NOT a Targeryen. He is a Stark and Dayne. The Daynes are children of Great Dawn Empire. A Empire of Dragons before Valaryia.
@CrusaderChris
2 жыл бұрын
That’s a theory, yes. 👍
@meocean5499
2 жыл бұрын
GRRM , Targaryen are evil. GRRM , they are like NAZIS WITH DRAGONS . Also GRRM fans makes the conquest something Romantic, makes them the actual saviors of Westeros. Everyone should stop spoiling the tale, honestly. Shih don’t make no sense. And don’t come to me with the nuances. We’re talking about Aegon himself, who went on a murder mission, for control and power. Killing thousands on the way. Giving the conquest the excuse of a lifesaving mission to save the faith of the poor Westerosi, seems beneath Martin, and is quite a foolish stretch. It takes away all the lessons the author himself repeatedly say to be sharing with the story. There’s no punchline. Life doesn’t work like that, conquerors, on expansionist missions are not to be justified as saviors, that’s never their motifs. Aegon didn’t look to Westeros and was like, I need to save these people. But thats what this whole prophecy thing makes it sound like. Martin has always been loyal to real history, and the lore requires a lot of realism for it to be believable, all this is however unrealistic, it takes so much from the story. Is just 🤮. Y’all doing too much.
@Nihilanth
2 жыл бұрын
he never said any of that lol
@doanale3344
2 жыл бұрын
Everyone thinks they are the hero of their story. Aegon certainly thought he was. Undoubtedly, a conqueror kills and enslaves people but it wouldn't be hard to imagine such a person could do it more easily and successfully if they believed it to be the righteous path. Most people don't wake up tomorrow and go "I'm gonna take over my neighbour's property because I can". Most characters in GOT do what they do, at the very last in pretence, the way they believe they rightfully should.
@meocean5499
2 жыл бұрын
@@doanale3344 yes, we make up excuses to justify genocide. The issue here is that the long night is not an excuse. 💀
@meocean5499
2 жыл бұрын
@@Nihilanth it’s been said here in this channel that Targaryen were like Nazis with dragons. Watch the other videos.
@doanale3344
2 жыл бұрын
Then sure, we can say Aegon did it for selfish reasons. Because he doesn't want the world to be destroyed and the legacy of his house to live forever. Is conquering Westeros the way to do it? Unsure, but that is how Aegon the conqueror interpreted it. Potentially, his family could have lived in dragonstone until the long night came but how could you ensure that the Westerosi kings would come together to fight the Others? Genocide is a bit of a stretch since he did not attempt to extinguish the first men, the Andals or even the Rhoynar whom he was not able to conquer. He just wanted them bound to one ruler so that mobilising an army is far simpler. You can debate the morality of it but the practicality seems sound to me.
@calvinit21
Жыл бұрын
Question: Do we know for sure that the mother in Dany's vision is definitely Elia Martell? That chapter doesn't describe what she looks like and the first time I read it I thought it might be Lyana Stark.
@shayeuphemiaseraphine
Жыл бұрын
It's probably safe to say it was Elia, as he's quoted as saying "There must be one more. The dragon has three heads." This implies that the birth that just occurred is Rhaegar's second child, not his third.
@DOCB-op1qc
Жыл бұрын
11:15 it was rumored that martin asked the show runners to answer 1 question if they really did understand the show, that would allow HBO to film. the question. who was jon snows mother?? so this is book cannon.
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