Way before the sidewinder was born. You really have the skills to be an ace no matter which side your are on. These MIG is also hard to kill.
@MR250RGUY
2 жыл бұрын
Hard to kill? 10-1 kill ratio shows other wise xD But id also assume we had much better trained pilots from ww2.
@корнелийшнапс
2 жыл бұрын
@@MR250RGUY да вы занижаете, потери были 1000000000000-1. Информация надежная.
@корнелийшнапс
2 жыл бұрын
@@MR250RGUY 1. Either your knowledge of history corresponds to the inscription on the toilet wall, or you are rude. Both are negative for you. 2. What have you read?
@MR250RGUY
2 жыл бұрын
@@корнелийшнапс google it the kill ratio is a fact. Sorry you couldn't win pretending to be Korean pilots.. Saber made the mighty mig look like shit, mig could climb faster and that's it.
@thespeeddemon7832
2 жыл бұрын
@@MR250RGUY A recent RAND report made reference to "recent scholarship" of F-86 v MiG-15 combat over Korea and concluded that the actual kill:loss ratio for the F-86 was 1.8:1 overall, and likely closer to 1.3:1 against MiGs flown by Soviet pilots. ~Wikipedia
@Blitz9H
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the detailed descriptions with each section of video. The Il-12 part especially.
@Rhino1277HotRails
2 жыл бұрын
Haven't seen some of this before. Thanks. Deflection shooting at its best
@fritzbucher4726
2 жыл бұрын
Such a concentration of fire from the F86 Saber gun camera when those 6 50 Cal’s touch off. Amazing footage
@csjrogerson2377
2 жыл бұрын
True, but 4 x 20mm would be better. 2 x 23mm or 2 x 27mm would also be good if the US purchased them from abroad.
@Ancestro_X
2 жыл бұрын
Color
@nonotreally5380
2 жыл бұрын
@@csjrogerson2377 i still wonder why americans didnt mount canons on their fighters? .50 cal could get the job done but i recall reading they were beginning to lose their edge against the heavier, stronger jet fighters making their debut during this time.
@cageordie
2 жыл бұрын
@@nonotreally5380 The comment you are replying to is why. Indoctrination. People were trained that the 50 was the ultimate. Selling them a better solution was hard. The same thing is happening now, and has been for around 30 years, with attempts to upgrade from the 5.56 NATO round the US insisted on using. Because Americans absolutely rejected the 7mm British because it was not invented here.
@nickjohnson710
2 жыл бұрын
@@nonotreally5380 they were developing the M 61 vulcan 20mm cannon, .50 was a stop gap till then
@raynic1173
2 жыл бұрын
My dad was a F86 jet mechanic back in the '50s.
@45CaliberCure
5 ай бұрын
Old vid maybe, but this is nice work hw97karbine! One account I read was of two pilots in an extended tail-chase of a Mig-15. The more experienced pilot was coaching the younger one and warned him to hold fire until he was closer to the Mig. Younger pilot let loose at range and fell back, losing his speed advantage. Seems the 6 .50's could significantly slow the plane down. Or, I could be the victim of a myth. Cool shit, anyway. :) Always love to run across your videos. You're a 100K guy, no sweat. Hang in there!
@CFITOMAHAWK2
5 ай бұрын
Yes it will slow it. I read a Spitfire could be slowed 39 mph with guns blazing.
@SuperOrbit2000
3 жыл бұрын
Mate love these vids! Seen your stuff on imgur too (assuming you're same dude) - anyway - epic
@hw97karbine
3 жыл бұрын
same dude, thanks :)
@chumpchange1846
2 жыл бұрын
Every single Ace that wrote an autobiography or who had a biography written about him was very consistent regarding shooting a target with gun or cannon: Get up to 150 yards or closer and let fly. None of this standoff shooting...if you can't see the numbers on his tail you are too far away for a gun. And have your wing guns aimed accordingly...convergence at 150 yards. All of this spray and pray is crap...get your nose up his tail or come up from under and let loose. Don't chase the target around the planet...shoot, scoot, and regain situational awareness before you get dusted by his wingman.
@oceanblue3050
2 жыл бұрын
You read the Russian accounts and diaries?
@garik64
2 жыл бұрын
@@oceanblue3050 I did. All is correct: shoot at the tail, on a catch-up course, almost at point-blank range.
@henriquebinato6505
2 жыл бұрын
Erich Hartmann did it.
@arthurferreira1462
2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps it's easier said than done
@PauloPereira-jj4jv
2 жыл бұрын
Thankyou for this advice.
@ruslanshevtcov6802
2 жыл бұрын
In the book "Alley of MiGs", published in the USA in 1970, it is silent, for example, about the exploits of Sutyagin, and the first jet ace in history is called Captain James Jabara, on account of whom 15 air victories [2] (however, in the Soviet Union, details the participation of Soviet aviation in the Korean War was hidden from the general public for a long time).
@ruslanshevtcov6802
2 жыл бұрын
In the air battles over the MiG Alley, many Soviet and American ace pilots appeared. Nikolai Sutyagin became the record holder of the Korean War on the part of the Soviet Union, who personally shot down 21 aircraft. On account of his 15 F-86 "Saber", 2 F-80 "Shooting Star", 2 F-84 "Thunderjet" and 2 jet "Gloucester Meteor". Colonel Yevgeny Pepelyaev also won 20 air battles. The American side claimed that 792 MiGs and 108 other aircraft were shot down by the Sabers, with the loss of only 78 F-86s. It should be clarified that the official figure of 78 losses is based on an estimate of the number of fighters lost directly from fire, it does not take into account losses in fuel consumption or air maneuvers in air battles, and there were also Sabers shot down by unknown means and missing. In total, the Americans recognized the loss of 250 Sabers in the war [10]. Losses in air battles of other American aircraft are unknown (for example, the B-29, for all reasons, lost about 90 units [10]).
@MosheBenderovets
11 ай бұрын
Русские утверждают что они всех американцев сбили
@marknorris1381
8 ай бұрын
The big question is were the 792 MIG's and 108 other aircraft actually confirmed by recorded losses? I am sceptical in regards to many claims in aerial combat.
@stumpusMaximus
2 жыл бұрын
Just reminds me of the bloody brilliant Rowan’s Mig Alley on pc. Best simulation of the Korean War made inc the ability to record gun cam footage. F-86s vs Mig 19s
@PauloPereira-jj4jv
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry, "MiG 15". The MiG 19 was a later model and wasn't available in Korea.
@nathanpartridge3565
Жыл бұрын
I miss that game.
@이름-h7o1v
Жыл бұрын
This must've been wild af No radar or primitive radar, no FBW, no assistance system, just fast, agile and lightweight. These pilots are damn beasts
@ToreDL87
Жыл бұрын
Actually the F-86's had gyro gunsights with radar ranging (radar located up front in the nose just above air intake). The MiG-15 also had gyro gunsights but no G-suits for a bit and the MiG-15 compressed pretty bad at high speed.
@charliecharliecharliecharl8554
Жыл бұрын
F 86 definitely a better dogfighter ,I think the mig was setup to shoot bombers down with that heavy armourment 37 mm cannon ridiculous huge
@Seabass3920
4 ай бұрын
Yup, the MiG’s cannons were only meant for bombers and not maneuverable fighters, since the Soviet pilots found it pretty hard to shoot down fighters due to the slow rate of fire of the cannons and the bad ballistics
@charliecharliecharliecharl8554
4 ай бұрын
@Seabass3920 and 2 23 mm and the mig had a height altitude advantage but the f 86 had a radar gunsight for deflection shooting , I'd choose f 86
@redtobertshateshandles
Жыл бұрын
I guess you need a gun camera to make sure ace isn't shooting down his own guys. 😂
@ИльясМиннигореев
2 жыл бұрын
And you were wondering what "Black Tuesday" is. Look at the events of October 30, 1951.
@briantaylor9285
2 жыл бұрын
Some say the .50's were lacking, some say they were more than enough. 😕
@Chiller01
2 жыл бұрын
Some amazing footage. I wonder how many of those downed pilots were Soviets?
@yepheth
2 жыл бұрын
None. Mostly cinese.
@99a21
2 жыл бұрын
all of them
@psv11031
2 жыл бұрын
@@99a21 are you sure?)) Soviet front-line pilots mostly shot down American planes!)) Read the book of the hero of the Second World War pilot Pokryshkin and you will be surprised how your propagandists lie to you))
@jaroslavdudas7227
2 жыл бұрын
90% were Korean.
@smigoltime
2 жыл бұрын
@@psv11031 >russian >accuses someone of propaganda lol
@mdmarko
5 ай бұрын
The North Korean Air Force still flies some MiG-15s. Imagine how long they would last in another war.
@James-nl6fu
Жыл бұрын
The Phantom had no gun because senior officers were convinced war with Russia was simply a matter of time. Fighters would only need missiles to shoot down 🇷🇺 Russian nuclear bombers. The idea of "dogfighting" according to them, belonged in history 📚 books. ❤️
@albertoricci3364
3 жыл бұрын
when in close range the 0.50 guns were very good , and even in long distance , i suppose the mig 15 with few bullets for his cannons couldnt fire in distance like the Sabre did
@zepter00
3 жыл бұрын
Average number of .50 cal to shot down MiG-15 was... 1047 rounds. To shot down F-86 you need 2 hits from 23mm or one 37mm.
@albertoricci3364
3 жыл бұрын
@@zepter00 ok but only a total of 7 seconds persistence in fire for the mig s guns , not easy with low rounds for second, 1047 rounds in average because the sabre pilots could fire in distance a lot for damage the mig and then shot down when it was near , i think for dog fightin was better the sabre guns , for interceptor against the bombers was better the mig 37/23 guns
@zepter00
3 жыл бұрын
@@albertoricci3364 just after korean war guns in Sabre and later us designs were changed on 2-4x20mm because of inefectivnes. Even API armor piercing incidenciary rounds were ineffective because low level of oxygen above some altitude. I read whole article about that. Rise and fall .50 cal in USAF.
@zepter00
3 жыл бұрын
@@albertoricci3364 check how 23mm works kzitem.info/news/bejne/0YluwJiIon2inaQ
@albertoricci3364
3 жыл бұрын
@@zepter00 the sabre version with 4 x 20 was present even during the end of korea war but for using the sabre for ground attac , if the sabres had shot down hundreds of migs those video confirm the 0,50 were good enaught against a target like a light fighter (using the radar for fire in distance
@seriyfamiliya2263
2 жыл бұрын
It's a pity that MIG doesn't have a camera... I think he killed more..
@Coluchiy84
2 жыл бұрын
Были камеры, но качество хуже и не в виде видео.
@haitolawrence5986
2 жыл бұрын
It would have been much worse for the MIGs if the Sabres were permitted to pursue them to their bases in China.
@Coluchiy84
2 жыл бұрын
@@haitolawrence5986 Они атаковали и над базами. В том числе советский Ил-112 был сбит именно над Китаем.
@percyfaith11
2 жыл бұрын
I think he didn't
@chargree
Жыл бұрын
Don’t worry, he didn’t.
@d.pierce.6820
2 жыл бұрын
Many of those pilots in the "north Korean" MIGs were actually Russians.
@keegan773
2 жыл бұрын
Were they ?…….wow you’ve cracked a real secret there, well done.
@d.pierce.6820
2 жыл бұрын
@@keegan773 I just figured some people had not heard that before. stop being a jerk.
@tomsuh1362
2 жыл бұрын
There were fighter ACE on both side and this was the begining of the jetfighter dogfight with still guns and cannons.
@keegan773
2 жыл бұрын
@@d.pierce.6820 then stop being a snot nose know it all.
@thecrow7
2 жыл бұрын
@@keegan773 wow insipid comment of the day! maybe people did not no that fact.. dont be a jerk
@CoIdHeat
2 жыл бұрын
So shooting down transport planes actually counts for receiving ace status? That’s surprising considering what a turkey shoot it is. As the pilot I would perhaps better have passed on accepting that kill for my count towards double ace.
@Angelo-ef2xu
2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see that Americans were using same tactic of the Germans used in ww2 open fire almost until point blank. Close burst at least 100 meters range. They learned a lot with the German Expertens.
@HieronymusBosch-f1w
2 жыл бұрын
Установка фотопулемета,- хороший ход в инфовойне. Где же полюбоваться на американский металлолом?
@hodafez9991
2 жыл бұрын
Наши, как всегда, скромно держат язык в ж... Может, стоило бы уже теперь показать несколько десятков превращённых в решето "суперкрепостей"?
@HieronymusBosch-f1w
2 жыл бұрын
@@hodafez9991 , очень стоило бы. Хотя бы снимки куч металлолома на земле, с комментариями специалиста, с цифрами, должностями и фамилиями.
@phillippatterson9484
3 жыл бұрын
Last plane shot down on video appeared to be a twin engine prop plane. WW-2 ??
@hw97karbine
3 жыл бұрын
Soviet Il-12 transport shot down by USAF F-86 Sabre 51-12959 and became the last aircraft destroyed during the Korean War on July 27th 1953
@phillippatterson9484
3 жыл бұрын
I did not know that. Thank you for your knowledge & information.
@blackbaron2572
3 жыл бұрын
Im guessing that must've been the transport controversially downed by double ace Ralph Parr.
@percyfaith11
2 жыл бұрын
@@blackbaron2572 How can it be considered controversial? It was flying in a warzone during wartime. Controversial is the Soviets shooting down KAL 007
@Glee73
2 жыл бұрын
@@percyfaith11 and "soviets" shooting down MH17 in 2014 as they annexed the crimea from Ukraine.
@peaceForever-qe9ow
2 жыл бұрын
Добавлю, что со стороны ООН эта война считалась захватнической. Кндр напал на юж корею, вероломно. И США и войска миротворцев ООН противостояли этой агрессии. Тут ссср особо гордится то нечем. Дали по ушам знатно. История все расставила по своим местам - как живет кндр и как живет юж корея. Факт 100%.
@HieronymusBosch-f1w
2 жыл бұрын
Знатно живёт Южная Корея. Лидирует по количеству самоубийств.
@lars9168
Жыл бұрын
Yea you can see how the guns improved: In WW2 planes were like sponges, in Korea like papercrafts
@sloth5258
2 жыл бұрын
мда экшн-камеры в то время были мягко скажем не очень!
@shaunkelly3562
2 жыл бұрын
Were those NK pilots Chinese, Russian or actually North Korean pilots?
@Channel-os4uk
2 жыл бұрын
These Sabres weren't up against Casey Jones that time...
@marderkpz7148
2 жыл бұрын
Only Sabres, how about the Mig ones? Are Russian pilot prohibites using camera during that war?
@Coluchiy84
2 жыл бұрын
Это надо лезть в архив и ковырять КФП из рассекреченных дел.
@viktordtz2080
2 жыл бұрын
First pilot mig 15: nice esquive manoeuver.
@shootfirst2097
Жыл бұрын
I don't know what plane that was at 3:50, but if it was a transport filled with passengers, talk about a living hell.
@hw97karbine
Жыл бұрын
Check the video description for details
@shootfirst2097
Жыл бұрын
@@hw97karbine Thanx for pointing that history out.
@redtobertshateshandles
Жыл бұрын
I only feel sorry for the non communists on board. Do they give a crap when they do evil stuff to people. Answer: NO
@cotal240463
2 жыл бұрын
а свои разбитые , которых в разы больше не показывают, но мы то знаем, клоуны
@ВВПСталкер
2 жыл бұрын
Откуда ты знаешь тебе кто то говорил или где то читал .
@cotal240463
2 жыл бұрын
@@ВВПСталкер почитайте Покрышкина, Крамаренко, Сутягин, Пепеляев, и тд и тп, историю знать надо и интересоватся ей, а это подтверждено и Америкой, стыдно не знать героев Родины
@ВВПСталкер
2 жыл бұрын
@@cotal240463 Покрышкин не признавал советские самолёты воевал только на аирокобре .изучай матчасть.
@cotal240463
2 жыл бұрын
@@ВВПСталкер ахренеть историк, ты думаеш , что говориш? кобра это лендлиз, Летал на МиГ-3, И-16, Як-1, "Аэрокобре". сударь вы просто профан и с вами просто не интересно, досвидос
@ветхотеософ
2 жыл бұрын
Показали то, что зафиксировано кинокамерами американцев. Наши всё секретят и, вероятнее всего, проблема в отсутствии каких-либо подтверждающих материалов ведения огня. Клоуны то наши, властям похер на народ и до сих пор не знаем цифр точных потерь ни техники, ни людей ВОВ.
@thomasquinnan8238
2 жыл бұрын
I was really enjoying this until I remembered a man is being killed in every one of those jets shot down. Glad they got shot down but It kinda made me sick at myself for enjoying it so much. Just saying
@rikk319
2 жыл бұрын
Unless they bailed out. If thinking of pilots dying is bad to you...imagine the tens of thousands of infantry on the ground who died.
@thomasquinnan8238
2 жыл бұрын
@@rikk319 I was celebrating the shoot downs and felt guilty about enjoying someone’s death. I get that people die in wars and unfortunately I have to accept that end to keep us free.
@thunderbird1921
2 жыл бұрын
Luckily, a number managed to bail out. It's too bad we weren't able to capture more of them, who knows how much more Intel or better tactics we might have been able to achieve (even as successful as we were).
@thunderbird1921
2 жыл бұрын
@ak2010o I've heard a lot of myths about the Korean War, but that is one of the most laughable. I'm not sure where you got that from, but the US Air Force and Navy pilots often did phenomenally over North Korea. While the missions were indeed dangerous, F9F Panthers, and F-86 Sabres wrecked havoc on the Communist targets and even destroyed a large number of MiGs, while B-29 bombers (ESPECIALLY when given proper fighter jet protection) were able to destroy virtually EVERY industry and infrastructure hub inside North Korea's borders (they even hit the cities of Pyongyang and Wonsan on several occasions). Even the Corsair World War II prop dive bombers were able to frequently raid and drop bombs or napalm on enemy positions. The MiG-15 was literally the only thing saving the Communist forces from total annihilation by air. The reason we halted just above the 38th Parallel is partially because we wanted to keep it a limited war and also because of fears of Soviet intervention (maybe even nuclear war) if the Chinese and North Koreans were again pushed across the Yalu.
@firemustang6678
2 жыл бұрын
What if when the camera in that year was like used by Iphone??? Actually that gonna wooooowwwwwwwww
@mason7778
7 ай бұрын
Das waren Fliegerasse!! Nicht die von heute,wo man nur noch auf den Knopf drückt, und die Rakete ihr Ziel trifft!🧐 Ich würde auch sagen daß der Luftkampf früher gerechter, ausgeglichener war!
@loghorizon9610
2 жыл бұрын
America,Japan,South Korean VS Rusia,China,North Korean
@ChrisG1392
2 жыл бұрын
I think if I were being tailed by an enemy aircraft id push the limits of the plane to the max. rather pass out under g force than die hitting the ground
@McD4VE
2 жыл бұрын
il-2 sturmovik ??
@MrAllben
2 жыл бұрын
huyivik
@McD4VE
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrAllben It’s from a flight sim game.
@marcushopper3882
2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget that this is still somebody's life at stake please.
@christopherkeith600
2 жыл бұрын
War is Hell and so is marriage. Don't forget the married people.
@giannizen3775
2 жыл бұрын
We all bare respect for the pilots involved in these videos. Tho they are the knights of the sky, their job is to kill one another, so at this point they are both trying to do the same, there is no victim or predator here, only winner and loser. We respect their sacrifice no matter what side they are on, but we are here to watch this very interesting footage showcasing real air to air combat, so don’t take us as disrespectful, we are just analysing it with no malice
@harp120
2 жыл бұрын
@@giannizen3775 их работа защищать интересы своей страны. То, что способ защиты может привести к гибели либо тебя, либо противника - к сожалению обстоятельство без которого не выполнить поставленную задачу. Если бы их работа была убивать - пленных небыло бы ни у Кореи ни у США.
@giannizen3775
2 жыл бұрын
@@harp120 interesting, especially the part where I understand…
@imcustomized
2 жыл бұрын
True. No doubt they were mourned by their families. But also remember they were communists, fighting to enslave South Korea.
@TheRandyWanker
2 жыл бұрын
I just wonder, how many F-86 fighters were written off in Korean War? I heard, don't know if it's true or not, that over 1000 were written off.
@Gromit801
2 жыл бұрын
According to official US data ("USAF Statistical Digest FY1953"), the USAF lost 250 F-86 fighters in Korea. Of these, 184 were lost in combat (78 in air-to-air combat, 19 by anti-aircraft guns, 26 were "unknown causes" and 61 were "other losses") and 66 in incidents. South African Air Force lost 6 F-86s in the war. This gives 256 confirmed F-86 losses during the Korean War.
@Amadeuslt
2 жыл бұрын
@@Gromit801 fabler 🤣🤣🤣
@Gromit801
2 жыл бұрын
@@Amadeuslt Facts are facts.
@Rob-vv5yn
9 ай бұрын
@@Gromit801 it’s similar with the B29s offical records 30 something but there is plenty of evidence the loses were in the 90s confirmed with build numbers and ex crew confirming it. The reality the US didn’t want to admit losses to the public that’s just natural, that’s why we have other losses and unknown, not counted as shot down, if you crashed and burned on the run way as an example of your sabre being shot up they would class it as a landing accident, they only classed a loss in combat if you were lost over enemy lines and absolutely had to say you bought it, if you were shot down over nato lines it was an engine fail or some other excuse. It’s politics. Look at the stats for aircraft losses in Vietnam, they were way more accurate much more reliable aircraft and losses from non combat are percentage wish way worse.
@robertsanford6786
2 жыл бұрын
Wow
@emansnas
2 жыл бұрын
Six fifties man... short of a tank, battleship or Stalin's heart you don't need anything more
@hw97karbine
2 жыл бұрын
Technically the same as a WWII P-51, but it's worth pointing out that the fact they were all in the nose gave a significantly greater concentration of fire.
@emansnas
2 жыл бұрын
@@hw97karbine Pretty sure all air forces during WWII had procedures in place for converging fire on aircraft with wing mounted guns. Though converge distances varied according to procedures and individual pilot preference. Brits got this very wrong at the start of the War, and of course being Brits, only made changes after substantial pressure from pilots with actual combat experience. Thanks for making these films available.
@hw97karbine
2 жыл бұрын
@@emansnas Pleasure! The advantage of a centerline battery is that you get concentrated fire at any range as opposed to the wing mounts that only converged at a given distance.
@emansnas
2 жыл бұрын
@@hw97karbine Yes of course that's true. Just pointing out the fact (that you're apparently aware of) that P-51s et al were not without concentrated fire.
@richardque4952
2 жыл бұрын
Originally stalin promise mig-9 to mao.
@awinski7988
2 жыл бұрын
D a n g e r Z o n e
@garyraines7511
6 ай бұрын
Right, 50 cals--thats what N. American gave the poor devils flying the beautiful P-51 & F-86....beautiful planes, lousey Fighters. The MiG was packing One 30--plus mm Cannon and Two 20 mm Cannons.......during the detent, when we were pals with the Rooskies, K War veteran PYCCKI fighter pilots claimed 5 to one Kill ratios over our machine gun wimp-planes. Navy guys had it better----the Grumman F9F had 20 mm Cannons.
@tl1562
2 жыл бұрын
nice shooting, but i forgot, what was the reason?
@nova85233
Жыл бұрын
i think i know why 🪆💹
@ГлебЕгорыч-ь9э
2 жыл бұрын
It's a pity that there was no video on the MiG-15, there would have been a lot more videos with downed F86.
@AP-qo4tw
2 жыл бұрын
На мигах были фотокинопулеметы. В книге Пепеляева рассказывается о разрешении спора при просмотре кадров с фотоаппарата мигаря
@ГлебЕгорыч-ь9э
2 жыл бұрын
Жаль что на МиГ не стояло видео, было бы намного больше видео со сбитыми F86.
@DOLGgenerals
2 жыл бұрын
Ну мозги были в ГУЛаге по всяким тупым сфабрикованным делам. Вот и нет камер.
@ГлебЕгорыч-ь9э
2 жыл бұрын
@@DOLGgenerals Нет, к сожалению для вас "мозгов"хватало, СССР воевали не официально, песня Фантом вам в помощь.
@DOLGgenerals
2 жыл бұрын
@@ГлебЕгорыч-ь9э Зачем мне это?)))
@ГлебЕгорыч-ь9э
2 жыл бұрын
@@DOLGgenerals действительно...
@DOLGgenerals
2 жыл бұрын
@@ГлебЕгорыч-ь9э Ага... Вот именно. Себе оставь.))
@tonystark4070
2 жыл бұрын
Миг 15-капут!
@johnbrown-rm8kc
2 жыл бұрын
Russian pilots were flying Mig's in Korea
@jaroslavdudas7227
2 жыл бұрын
95% were Korean
@jangozubr
2 жыл бұрын
Soviet pilots
@NoName-bi4fy
2 жыл бұрын
Total russian lost - 319 Total american lost 1078
@robot-alesha
2 жыл бұрын
Total russian lost - 792 Mig Total american lost - 78 F-86
@JohnSmith-fd5un
2 жыл бұрын
@@robot-alesha 78 were merely shot down, whereas 792 were destroyed statistics.
@hodafez9991
2 жыл бұрын
@@robot-alesha предлагает сдаться
@ИльясМиннигореев
2 жыл бұрын
Korean conflict loss ratio. Victories in air battles of the USA- 894, the USSR- 1020. Lost US aircraft- 1,144, USSR- 335, US pilots- 1,176, USSR pilots - 335.
@alvaro2338
2 жыл бұрын
Cumpliments to the North American Aviation
@oldkruk7274
2 жыл бұрын
Это не мемории про сбитые Сейбры.
@Coluchiy84
2 жыл бұрын
Увидя КФП с сейбрами, скажешь: "Это не мемори про сбитые МиГи." ? :)
@oldkruk7274
2 жыл бұрын
@@Coluchiy84 Где увидеть ?
@Coluchiy84
2 жыл бұрын
@@oldkruk7274 Боевое применение МиГ-15. Его оценка и совершенствование в боевых условиях. Это название статьи, там КФП есть.
@chargree
Жыл бұрын
There is this new thing called THE INTERNET. Check there to locate. The problem is that in a Communist Command Structure, freedom of speech and the press is restricted. You have to look at free democratic institutions to get PROOF of historical claims. The Russians, Chinese, etc just get to lie.
@santagemma6212
2 жыл бұрын
Migs weren't so good after all
@kolbpilot
2 жыл бұрын
Only the ones you see here. Remember, the victors write the story.
@patrickkenyon2326
2 жыл бұрын
The F-86 had a better than 1 to 1 kill/death score.
@richardque4952
2 жыл бұрын
It depend on the pilot.
@jaroslavdudas7227
2 жыл бұрын
95% of Korean Migs were poor trained Korean pilots.
@Coluchiy84
2 жыл бұрын
@@patrickkenyon2326 Перед МиГ-15 не ставилась задача получить лучшее соотношение K/D. Они по сути как часть ПВО работали, где F-86 не были главными целями.
@ОлегИвантв
2 жыл бұрын
God bless USA
@БОРИСБЕККЕР-к6х
2 жыл бұрын
Русская боевая авиация - смешное говнище.
@bigblob1623
2 жыл бұрын
Good job having the names of the men and planes, cool stuff.
@mikearmstrong8483
3 жыл бұрын
Amazing the range at which some of these hits are made, such as at 2:12.
@hw97karbine
3 жыл бұрын
This is the largely result of the gyro gunsight with radar ranging that compensated for drop and calculated lead, telling the pilot exactly where he had to aim his aircraft.
@mikearmstrong8483
3 жыл бұрын
@@hw97karbine I knew about the tech, but I've never seen a demonstration of it allowing hits at such range. Even allowing for the pilot's vision being better than the optics of the gun camera, it still almost seems at the limit of visual range, and it must be close to the max effective range of the .50 cal. Reading about the tech doesn't convey the same impression as seeing the actual usage, particularly since many gun cam videos tend to focus on the close range shots.
@hw97karbine
3 жыл бұрын
@@mikearmstrong8483 Agreed and even though the device took the guesswork out of the equation, it still required a remarkable amount of skill from the pilot to keep the plane flying in the right direction, especially at the much higher speeds combat was happening compared to piston engined aircraft. Apparently the Communist forces did not have this technology available and this was exacerbated by the fact that the MiG-15 had a battery of two different calibers with very different trajectories. This was a distinct advantage for the UN side.
@albertoricci3364
3 жыл бұрын
At 2:12 it was the cannons 4 x 20 installed on some Sabre "project gunwall" ,
@oceanblue3050
2 жыл бұрын
Russian accountants and diaries are far more detailed.
@nikonmark37814
2 жыл бұрын
The USAF didn't learn much about air combat in Korea, if they did the F4 Phantom II would have had a gun or guns to begin with when they entered service in Vietnam. A lot of the Korean War aces were fighter pilots during WWII were they acquired their combat skills. The F86 Sabre is one of my all time favorites. My father is retired USAF and he took me to all the museums, air shows and on occasion to the flight line so I could see the aircraft he took care of. It had such an impact on me that I joined and later retired from the USN spending my career working on Navy aircraft.
@emansnas
2 жыл бұрын
Agree with your point re the F4. More importantly so did the AF... finally. Seems all brass has to learn the hard way... from the airmen, seamen and ground soldiers at the cutting edge. Shame. And that history just keeps repeating.
@CeCealYT
2 жыл бұрын
The phantom was designed to be a strike aircraft to begin with. It wasn't a priority to strap guns to it.
@doch.8039
2 жыл бұрын
@@CeCealYT The F-4 was designed as a long-range fleet interceptor.
@willthorson4543
2 жыл бұрын
That's not true at all. Flying jets in combat was not easy. There were dizens of pilots who flew F51s and Corsairs(marine/navy) that just could not fight other jets. It was all too fast. The learning curve. Was pretty high. That was the first time that jets fought against each other . that war was all about education when it came to air to air combat. Outside of the f4 phnantom, there were plenty of fighters that had guns, the century series all had guns. Its just that the f4 when it entered service tried a new approach with just missiles. And during the Vietnam war, the vast majority of Air to air kills were by missiles. What changed combat was schools like top gun and red flag. Where actual live training against combat veterans have newer pilots experience in her combat. There is a great book on Korea that just came out not too long ago called air combat in Korea. It is by osprey, and they break down air combat from 1950 to 53, what was learned what was corrected and so on.
@willthorson4543
2 жыл бұрын
@@doch.8039 For the Navy. Not for the air force. Different missions.
@КонстантинКорнев-з2м
2 жыл бұрын
Советские летчики, там победили американских !
@koc988
2 жыл бұрын
Should hear about that one time a navy aviator became almost an ace in a day after shooting down 4 mig 15's in his banshee was never told by the Americans yet the Soviets admitted to losing the 4 pilots
@КонстантинКорнев-з2м
2 жыл бұрын
@@koc988 Американские ВВС потеряли 1609 человек, из них 1097 были уничтожены советскими летчиками. Общие боевые потери Советского Союза в Корейской войне - 466 человек, из них 299 погибших (146 офицеров) и 167 раненых (преимущественно из наземного персонала). При этом ни один из советских граждан так или иначе участвовавших в конфликте не попал в плен. И это при том что самолетов ВВС США в той войне было гораздо больше.
@markjones7185
2 жыл бұрын
More incredible footage, and the pilots names who I've read about my whole life. Thanks!
@SteveSmith-eb6ze
Жыл бұрын
Most people don’t know that most of the pilots flying North Korean planes during the Korean War were 4:08 Russians,our government knew this and like always;did nothing.
@Time_Developer
2 жыл бұрын
*А про аллею МиГ-ов тут никто и не вспомнит конечно.* _Точно так, как американцы поджав свои хвосты, бежали из Вьетнама как недавно бежали из Афганистана. ;)_
@Фердинанд-ш5у
5 ай бұрын
Аллея мигов это плод вашего воображения - миф в целях пропаганды созданный СССР после Корейской войны! В корейской войне русским ( как подстрекателям Ким Ир Сена с русской женой) , северо корейцам, и китайских собак Мао объединенные войска ООН под командованием Артура Маккарти вдули вам ( вышеперечисленным) всем и сломали хребет Северокорейским захватчикам да так что гнали их до треки Янцзы!!! А сколько русских пилотов ( якобы асов) уничтожено ( ведь напрямую СССР побоялся вмешаться) знают в США и СССР ( но этот позор закрыт за семью печатями грифом секретно от своего несчастного и рабского русского народа ) !!!! Так что не стоит нести русскую пургу!!!!
@Фердинанд-ш5у
5 ай бұрын
И вспомните для профилактики чтоб не лезли в чужую страну как вас выгнали с позором из Афганистана муджахеды ( то есть старики и дети) в 1989 году! Да так выгнали что в Рекявике (Исландии) Горбачёв умолял Рональда Рейгана чуть ли не в слезах дать выйти из Афганистана без кровопролития по дорогу отступления для солдат 40 армии ! И между прочим СССР дал взятку ( якутский алмаз ) Нейси Рейган чтоб она уговорила мужа Рейгана на переговоры! Ваша ( русских) проблема что слишком быстро забываете своё прошлое и вообще за собой не чувствуете вины!!!
@Yuri_Volkov
2 жыл бұрын
3:46 sneaky butcher. in the Luftwaffe he would have been a Knight of the Iron Cross with oak leaves
@percyfaith11
2 жыл бұрын
Stupid Soviets flying a big, fat IL 12 in a war zone, during war time with zero protection in the daylight. Do you call approaching a target from the rear sneaky?
@Yuri_Volkov
2 жыл бұрын
@@percyfaith11 Yes, I call this attack the vile And the pilot - the bastard. Take the trouble to familiarize yourself with the facts of this attack before writing nonsense. here are some of them: - on the day of the attack, July 23, 1953, a truce was concluded in the war between North and South Korea. - passenger IL-12 flew from Port Arthur to Vladivostok - an attack on an unarmed aircraft was carried out over the territory of China. - the crash site of the plane that fell on the plateau between the settlements of Dunhua and Huadian, three hundred kilometers from the border with Korea. - Later, American pilot Ralph Parr expressed himself about the incident: "Too much fuss about some lousy Il-12!"
@percyfaith11
2 жыл бұрын
@@Yuri_Volkov They should have been doing that from the beginning of the war. There should have been no sanctuary in China. Russians were directly contributing to the deaths of American servicemen, making them legitimate targets. If it was done on the day a truce was declared, that means it was done during hostilities. -Most transports are unarmed, not abnormal to attack them.
@A-Roz
2 жыл бұрын
@@percyfaith11 Not abnormal to attack planes on the others' country territory away from border. With such words we have widely-known invasions such as Vietnam, Near East countries, Yugoslavia and many others (not only USA, though, but USA the most). Just because. I have nothing against fights between fighter/bomber/attack plane etc. that's their purpose and hey that's war operations going! (not justifying wars though), but this accident looks like bragging in type of "hey looook I have guuuns, I can do whatever I want toooooo, just becaaaause I caaaaan, look at meeee!" -bringing in mind other facts about that accident with this IL-12. Like sniffed blood and can't stop. Bruh.
@percyfaith11
2 жыл бұрын
@@A-Roz Russian and Chinese pilots were attacking American pilots and troops on another country's territory, away from the border (they attacked Americans over Korea, not their territory). That invalidates your argument. All forms of transport, from wagons, mules, trains, trucks, ships and planes have always been legitimate targets in war. The Russians thought they could back stab and that they were safe to walk away. Keep crying ...Bruh. LOL, what a stupid word.
@tugarin2345
3 ай бұрын
This was the most comprehensive video on F-86 Sabre gun camera footage I could find. I wonder if you can help me, my grandfather was Col. Robert L Sands, in 1951, could be 52-53 not sure but anyways he took down a number of MIG-15s those years and also took the best, clearest picture of a PLAAF MIG-15 to that date. I’d love to see that gun footage or even just the still image. He served in the USAF and NM ANG.
@hahaaukko1127
3 жыл бұрын
that 20mm cannon F-86 clip looks so fking good
@christians6734
2 жыл бұрын
seems to be a mix of .5 cal and 20mm cannon vids. IMHO only in the last months of the war in 1953 8 F86 equipped with 20mm cannons made it to Korea as part of a trial.
@guid8975
2 жыл бұрын
Многих волнует сколько на кадрах советских лётчиков, вполне возможно они там присутствуют. Список потерь среди советских летчиков на даты из видео (по данным с украинского ресурса и википедии): 1 августа 1952 Старший лейтенант Цветков Л. М. (726-й иап). Сбит F-86. Пилот погиб при катапультировании. Капитан Горобченко В. С. (726-й иап). Сбит F-86. Пилот погиб. Капитан Костин А. А. (726-й иап). Сбит F-86. Пилот погиб. 4 сентября 1952 ! Майор Хромов И. Д. (518-й иап). Сбит F-86 на взлёте с аэродрома Дапу. Пилот катапультировался и выжил. ! Лейтенант Басалаев П. (518-й иап). Сбит F-86 на взлёте с аэродрома Дапу. Пилот катапультировался и выжил. Старший лейтенант Панков Л. Н. (518-й иап). Сбит F-86 в районе Ялуцзянского водохранилища. Пилот катапультировался и выжил. Старший лейтенант Татаров (676-й иап). Сбит F-86. Пилот катапультировался и выжил. ! Старший лейтенант Титов А. И. (415-й иап). Сбит F-86 на посадке в Дапу. Пилот погиб. Старший лейтенант Кизим Н. Ф. (676-й иап). Подбит F-86, совершил вынужденную посадку и списан из-за боевых повреждений. 9 сентября 1952 Старший лейтенант Капунов И. И. (726-й иап). Сбит F-86. Пилот погиб. Майор Сова И. К. (726-й иап). Сбит F-86. Пилот погиб. Майор Дегтярев К. Н. (726-й иап). Сбит F-86 на посадке в Аньдун. Пилот катапультировался и выжил. Капитан Пронин К. П. (147-й гиап). Сбит F-86. Пилот погиб. Старший лейтенант Бурин Г. А. (415-й иап). Сбит (предположительно F-86). Пилот катапультировался и выжил. Старший лейтенант Сергеев М. Е. (415-й иап). Сбит (предположительно F-86). Пилот катапультировался и выжил. 21 марта 1953 без потерь 18 июня 1953 Лейтенант Крикливец И. П. (913-й иап). Сбит F-86 в районе Супхун ГЭС. Пилот катапультировался и погиб, утонув в водохранилище. Лейтенант Коршунов Б. В. (518-й иап). Сбит F-86 в районе Супхун ГЭС. Пилот погиб. Лейтенант Плетнев (676-й иап). Подбит F-86 в районе Супхун ГЭС. Повреждённый самолёт разбился на посадке на аэродром Аньдун. Пилот выжил. 29 июня 1953 Подполковник Горбунов И. М., ГСС (676-й иап). Сбит F-86 после взлета с аэродрома Аньдун. Пилот катапультировался и был расстрелян F-86 в районе Улунбей.
@alexengine1640
2 жыл бұрын
Так на видео они и есть. А нам всегда говорили, что МиГ-15 щелкал сейбры как орешки...
@guid8975
2 жыл бұрын
@@alexengine1640 на видео кадры фиксации с пометками кем и когда, внизу писали что все лётчики тут советские. я привел список потерь в эти же даты, как минимум два эпизода с не советскими лётчиками. это просто кому интересна данная информация. теперь что касается фотофиксации, к примеру немцы практиковали такой подход - поймали одинокий Ил-2 и расстреливают его всем звеном с разных ракурсов, в итоге каждый сбил по одному Ил-2. кто-то не верит статистике американцев, кто-то не верит советской статистике, но никто не хочет разбираться подробно. а миг действительно щелкает сейбры как семечки, только в умелых руках. вы посмотрите как они стреляют, на миге за это время можно остаться пустым.
@alexengine1640
2 жыл бұрын
@@guid8975 Нет никакого смысла в этом разбираться. Война в Корее была позорной и выиграна СССР (в виде образования еще одного анклава) совсем не благодаря чудо-оружию МиГ-15, а ордам кетайцев товарисча Мао. А чудо-оружие, однако, на видео сбивают как куропаток - нет у него никаких преимуществ перед сейбрами. Да и не могло быть - и те, и другие делались с помощью почти одних и тех же немчиков. Но нам, конечно, лапшу вешали - одна длинней другой...
@guid8975
2 жыл бұрын
@@alexengine1640 ясно, всё свелось к лапше, спасибо.
@robot-alesha
2 жыл бұрын
@@alexengine1640 Она не была выиграна а вернулась к статус кво до вторжения севера на юг. кндр были отброшены обратно за 38 параллель и на этом война закончилась.
@karolptak371
2 жыл бұрын
The migs look like they were just waiting to be shot, flying straight or just turning without trying to avoid being hit, hmm...
@ryanp5790
2 жыл бұрын
It appears that way because the Sabre is moving with the Mig. If you look at the ground or tracers, you can see how hard the pilots are pulling. In other cases, disorientation, pilot injury, and any damage inflicted before the footage started could explain why they’re sometimes taking little to no evasive action.
@percyfaith11
2 жыл бұрын
Hmm, I smell a conspiracy LOL. A lot of pilots never knew what hit them.
@michaelmcgovern8110
4 ай бұрын
Last kill: WTF, don't fly around in a war zone if you can't read a calendar and watch. Sorry, but...
@ricardocarletto6426
7 ай бұрын
And who lost the war then? Right, right murica.
@serhiogarsiadelopes8229
2 жыл бұрын
Did Americans turn on cameras on "Black Tuesday" October 30, 1951? I think it would be a good movie 💥
@Bo_Nidle
11 ай бұрын
It was estimated that the USAF had a 10:1 kill ratio in the Korean war. However as aircraft had become faster they had also had to become stronger. it was found that the .50BMG round was lacking in power. Many Migs were gatting shot full of holes and still escaping. Whereas a couple of hits from the Mig-15's two 23mm or single 37mm was easily capable of bringing down the F-86. As can be seen from the footage, the kills are being achieved at very close range which would minimise the loss of power in the .50's hindering their effectiveness at longer ranges. The arming of the F-86 with .50's was a holdover of WW2 thinking, even though every major air force in the world had gone over from machine guns to cannons during WW2. As a result Project GunVal was carried out by the USAF in 1953 and 12 F-86 Sabres were modified to be armed with four 20mm cannons and flew alongside the standard Sabres. Whilst the combat record of these cannon armed Sabres was not spectacular they did enough to prove the superiority of cannon armament sufficiently that all USAF/USN fighter aircraft manufactured post Korean war were armed with cannons not machine guns.....not even .50's.
@jednatakaosoba356
8 ай бұрын
10:1 was made up by US. It was somewhere around 2:1
@DasScaramooch
7 ай бұрын
Where are these ‘Facts’ that you claim documented ? @@jednatakaosoba356
@FMDful
2 жыл бұрын
Советы корейцев летать не научили?🙄🙄
@boatrox1
8 ай бұрын
The color footage were GUNVAL kills. The 20mm cannons that became the M39 lacked tracers. The experienced armorers dipped the shells in molten wax to create the smoke trails when fired …
@johnbabcock5001
2 жыл бұрын
The first aircraft looks like an F-86, not a MiG-15.
@xwing8029
2 жыл бұрын
Well by the pozition of horizontal stabilizer at 0:06 you can see that its actually a mig-15.
@bop3752
2 жыл бұрын
Looks like an F-86 to me
@xwing8029
2 жыл бұрын
@@bop3752 Again, the horizontal stabilizer on f86 connects with fuselage over the engine nozzle. The horizontal stabilizers of the MiG-15 are halfway up the tail. This is called a cruciform tail an it is visible at 0:06 second.
@bop3752
2 жыл бұрын
@@xwing8029 sorry when I was writing that comment I meant to put mig, I was distracted with a game
@tc1817
2 жыл бұрын
@@bop3752 whatever you say, liar.
@TheFunkhouser
2 жыл бұрын
What was better... six 0.50 cal browning's or lets say four 20mm Cannon shells?
@bertg.6056
2 жыл бұрын
Those .50 cal guns had to chew on a MiG for a while to down it. Modern cannon projectiles only require one hit to be effective.
@mikaelpersson2273
2 жыл бұрын
1:05 - 1:07 Looks exatly like that UFO video sequenze that the US navy released a couple of months ago ....at least the poor quality of the film are the same
@Владимирфилимонов-ъ7х
2 жыл бұрын
Remember MIG's alley
@_Ladiesman217
2 жыл бұрын
Gun Camera Film Is The Reason I’m So Good In War Thunder :/
@Nikolyshy
2 жыл бұрын
Have you a footage of a Black Friday?
@hodafez9991
2 жыл бұрын
On July 29, 1953, a Boeing B-50 Superfortress reconnaissance aircraft was shot down by Soviet air defense fighters in the sky over the Sea of Japan near Vladivostok, 15 crew members were killed, one was rescued. Americans, say "thank you" to the bastard Ralph Parr for this
@tac-cobserver3788
2 жыл бұрын
wow
@hugopama2272
2 жыл бұрын
¿Que opinan los prorusos de tanto derribos de migs en korea???🇨🇳🇨🇳🇰🇵🇰🇵🇸🇮🇸🇮
@Amoore-vv9wx
11 ай бұрын
there were many Soviet aces who also shot down many Sabres, but their gun camera footage either doesn’t exist or is highly secretive.
@jochenheiden
2 жыл бұрын
Those Migs weren’t very durable.
@hw97karbine
2 жыл бұрын
It's a challenge to make something full of fuel and light enough to fly that will also be invulnerable to concentrated .50 caliber gunfire.
@higorss
2 жыл бұрын
say a plane that can handle a burst of 20mm or .50
@jochenheiden
Жыл бұрын
@@higorss B-17
@pilotmiami1
2 жыл бұрын
Thenks
@juandedios757
2 жыл бұрын
Gracias
@CaptainRonAhoy
6 ай бұрын
Were there ejection seats in these American and Soviet fighters at this early age?
@hw97karbine
6 ай бұрын
Both the Mig-15 and F-86 were fitted with ejection seats as standard
@CaptainRonAhoy
6 ай бұрын
Tanks@@hw97karbine
@PavloLukashuk
2 жыл бұрын
Сооl video ! About 12 planes Mig model were shot down!?
@hodafez9991
2 жыл бұрын
что у тебя в башке, а, Лукашук? Радуешься американской киношке, благо наши плёнки с разорванными пушками МиГов самоуверенными B-29 (несмотря на сотни истребителей прикрытия) не публикуются? Ивана Кожедуба на тебе подобных клоунов нет нынче. Ты в курсе, что сейчас самолёты "модели" МиГ - основные истребители ВВС Украины?
@PavloLukashuk
2 жыл бұрын
@@hodafez9991 Эй,как там Вам, Она, Оно? "ограниченный" лжематрицей "Мы круче всех...", мне важна правда, как есть , а вам нет ! Находитесь и живете в мире лжи и симулякров, - и уже не замечаете, как не только верите в ложь, и несете ее другим, так и начинаете ее ( ложь) пропагандировать, навязывая другим, при этом пытаясь оскорбить других ! Что и подтверждает ваш пост выше ,на этом ресурсе .
@hodafez9991
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavloLukashuk Что ты несёшь, дитё? Какая правда тебе важна? Может, та, что при потере своих 319 МиГов бойцы Кожедуба набили 1097 самолётов США? Нет? Тебе нравится смотреть как американский недочеловек из мести расстреливает в небе над Китаем пассажирский Ил-12 с 21 человеком на борту уже после прекращения боевых действий? Так вот, ещё тебе одна правда: через два дня после этого преступления в небе вблизи Владивостока был "случайно" расстрелян истребителями ПВО разведчик В-29, 15 американцев погибли, одного спасли. Матрасники ответили за своё злодейство, хлопчик.
@PavloLukashuk
2 жыл бұрын
@@hodafez9991 ;) Если все так сказочно "набили", то в чем проблема? Что тут нужно? А? , Чего так подгорело?;) По русски...kzitem.info/news/bejne/mIV43mGPsIKda5w, " прилезно Оно @Ноda Fez, kzitem.info/news/bejne/sGt_t4R8coaKjI4
@hodafez9991
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavloLukashuk Подгорело, потому что они проиграли тогда, но выиграли сейчас у нас войну за мозги подобных тебе. Хотя, возможно, ты и не украинец этнически, ну, тогда понятны твои восторги по поводу успехов более удачливых собратьев с того берега океана. Тогда вопросов к тебе нет. Ссылки твои смотреть не стану, вряд ли ты можешь предложить что-то, кроме пропагандистского мусора, или оскорблений.
@utpharmboy2006
2 жыл бұрын
Question for all....the pilots flying the migs north Korean, Chinese or Russian? or at least most likely answer...I have my own guess but I would like to hear what yall think
@ledrol1054
2 жыл бұрын
Russian
@thunderbird1921
2 жыл бұрын
From what I've read, it was mostly Chinese PLAF pilots and Soviet mercenaries (I call them that since they were flying for the North Koreans in their country's planes, rather than "official" Soviet ones). There were a few genuine North Korean pilots, but they were considered less skilled. By comparison, some of the Soviet mercenaries were World War II veterans and dangerously talented, and while the Chinese pilots weren't as experienced, they had at least 4-5 very talented aces, two of them had at least 9 kills (including Sabres) with many more damaged. Thankfully, the F-86 Sabre was more maneuverable than the MiG, but F-80 Shooting Stars and Navy F9F Panthers faced a tremendous challenge.
@saintfree
2 жыл бұрын
Koreans and Russians, Koreans were very hard, poor food, poor physical condition.
@ledrol1054
2 жыл бұрын
@@saintfree Ахаха! Да-да, голодные корейцы по имени ЛиСиЦины сидели за штурвалом Мигов 👍😁🤣
@saintfree
2 жыл бұрын
@@ledrol1054 не голодные, а плохо питавшиеся и потому слабоватые, их реально учили и они реально летали но толку было мало, летчик профессия для хорошо обученных здоровяков.
@KAIS3R-NN
2 жыл бұрын
Omg no missile on aircrafts in 1950 :O
@jimkenealy6448
2 жыл бұрын
Many AC had missiles - even in WWII. They did not have any guidance so the ones in this shot were simply hoping for lucky shot.
@worldcomicsreview354
2 жыл бұрын
@@jimkenealy6448 They were mainly used for attacks on static (or slow) ground / sea targets.
@Leti2115
3 жыл бұрын
Los mig tienen los alelores de la cola arriba los sabre abajo,cuenten cuantos f86 derribaron los coreanos o mejor dicho ""los pilotos rusos""
@Pavlik_Morozov77
2 жыл бұрын
Может кто объяснит почему МИГ не уходит в вираж? Это же его спасение.
@KanarisRUS
2 жыл бұрын
На них в 99% летали корейцы а они пилоты так себе были
@Pavlik_Morozov77
2 жыл бұрын
@@KanarisRUS как так? Много же летало русских пилотов.
@yankymate6689
2 жыл бұрын
@@Pavlik_Morozov77 они на американские ганкамы и не попали х)
@Coluchiy84
2 жыл бұрын
По статистике 9 из 10 сбитых в момент атаки не знали, что их атакуют.
@Pavlik_Morozov77
2 жыл бұрын
@@Coluchiy84 это понятно. По одному же не летали. Ведомый и ведущий.
Пікірлер: 486