Hold up, is that sephiroth I see? Nice video Tanglo.
@tanglox
3 ай бұрын
I appreciate it fam. Elder Naytiba kind of looks like him fr.
@victorvazquez8704
2 ай бұрын
Shallellallella was no joke she humbled me first time ... And I agree with dien from 3 ft
@marcobellanti1786
3 ай бұрын
I think the story is good but nothing special, but why Eve and not Raven is actually heavily imply in the ending of the game. Raven would have been a perfect candidate as long as body frame goes, but she was butt***t insane. In the end it seems that Eve retain her personality, with Adam being somewhat in there, but not the dominant part of the two. I guess Adam didn’t want the new humanity to be born from a crazy girl.
@tanglox
3 ай бұрын
The game explains that after Raven learned the truth, she turned insane (During a side quest, you learn that this happened shortly after she land in the Great Desert area and went into Abyss Levoire). Learning the truth she turned on the Andro-Eidos which are the humans created by the Mother Sphere. From the Elder Naytiba explained his situation in the "Return ending" (which was the ending I got) he just wanted to created a new path for humans that was made up of both Andro and Naytiba humans. It was about surviving the process of the fusion, which was Raven's main grip. If he wanted the personality to be maintained he could've wiped the knowledge which drove her insane and implanted memories.
@marcobellanti1786
3 ай бұрын
@@tanglox Yes, but we have no proof that he is capable of doing things like that/he want to. He could simply implant every idea he want in any angels if things were so easy. So 1) Or he can’t implant/remove memories reliably 2) Or he don’t want to do it 3) Or maybe he see in Raven the possibility to go crazy again. And no, it wasn’t only about survival, he was surviving fine for decades, it was about create a new human species and in his speech he clearly do not see the rage fulled naytibha as good inheritors. He stated as “We… we are nothing but monsters” I don’t think he saw in Raven nothing more of what he believed the other naytibha to be. Monsters So his decision of not fusing with her make sense
@Veslelia_cw
3 ай бұрын
The problem with the story is the writing and execution but saying it's terrible is just being exaggerated. It's quite nice story with excellent world lore, all they need to do next time is take the criticism and focus on making that memorable story.
@tanglox
3 ай бұрын
@@marcobellanti1786 I think you misunderstood what I said about survival. It wasn't about surviving within the world but surviving the fusion process (that's why I mentioned the Return ending). And yes, EN wanted to create a new mankind which was specified in the Return ending. It just feels a bit like a gamble on his part imo.
@marcobellanti1786
3 ай бұрын
@@tanglox Yes, I don’t understand where in the story your point come from. Where it’s said that he can wipe out memories? And where it’s said that he want to survive the process? He simply want humanity as he see it to survive, nothing more. He see Andro-eidos and naytibha as an incomplete version of humanity. He want to evolve them in a new, evolve, decent human being. This is why he choose Eve and not Raven.
@themblan
3 ай бұрын
Regarding fall-damage, did you not use the Precise Landing skill (pressing X before you hit the ground)? Great video. Have a great day.
@tanglox
3 ай бұрын
I didn't know that was a thing lol. And thank you fam. Same to you.
@ChakLok
3 ай бұрын
It’s nice to hear people not dog on the story and find appreciation and find it good well I don’t think it’s well executed I still think the story is good but clumsy in its execution. it’s just isn’t as bad as what critics or reviewers say.
@tanglox
3 ай бұрын
I don't think it was bad at all. It reminded me of Battle Angel Alita a lot throughout the story. Sure there may be problems here and there but in whole, it's pretty solid.
@mana-uv7cz
3 ай бұрын
The reason he chose Eve was because she can absorb the blood of Natibya and use beta skills Raven can’t.
@tanglox
3 ай бұрын
But Raven was using Beta skills and became a Naytiba. Is there anywhere in the game were that was explained explicitly?
@victorvazquez8704
2 ай бұрын
Def not able to sneak on gun heads !!
@victorvazquez8704
2 ай бұрын
Adam chose eve Cuz raven was the nutcase side chick !!!
@mikumikuiyada
3 ай бұрын
i have a problem where if u can make perfect humans with carbon fibre frame or whatever, they will all look like koreans :(
@MadBeastTitan
3 ай бұрын
Yea as some said, not Raven cuz she went crazy. Adam wanted someone to fuse with him cuz he was the only naytiba to keep his humanity physically and mentally (somewhat along those lines)
@tanglox
3 ай бұрын
Understood. However, there were key things said during the last third of the game. Raven said "He choose you instead of me." My question is why? Andro-Eidos and Naytiba are both psuedo humans, with one having more of there consciousness than the other. Why did Adam choose Eve over Raven? I understand the biblical aspect of it, Adam and Eve creates mankind or a new mankind, but why couldn't Raven fill the role. It feels like a gamble on Adam's part to wait for the right Andro-Eidos or Angel to present themselves to create his ideal version of mankind.
@MadBeastTitan
3 ай бұрын
@tanglox as far as an explanation on his part, idk. But it's all kinda explained subtlety through the lore stuff and when he presents the fuse choice to eve. Wait isn't 7 like a lucky number or something dealing with biblical stuff? 7th airborne unit. Anyway, idk why he chose eve and not raven as far as on his part
@diatractedone9797
3 ай бұрын
They did played around with the biblical complex on Adam Eve and Lily(Lilith) but Raven taking on a Lilith like form (screeching owl who kill new borns but a Raven which is ravens which murder the daughters of Mother Sphere). Yet still didn't specified on the relationship between Raven and Adam. The ending with Eve mergering with Adam felt like Ghost in the Shell first movie. With Motoko and Puppet Master mergering consciousness to become on being. Also the mergering felt (I could be wrong) maybe hermetic themed or fall in some like Manly P. Hall on the "first man"(biblical Adam being the first man and hermaphrodite, neither male or female).
@tanglox
3 ай бұрын
I was curious about the fusion too, as it didn't seem like many of the qualities of the Elder Naytiba were left behind. Eve seemed to be herself with added Naytiba gene. Kind of similar to when she had Lily gave Eve, Tachy's core and she gained Burst and a transformation skill. The biblical references and themes Shift Up drew on were on the nose. My only question is why did it work for Eve and not Raven? The ending kind of yadda yaddas it away with "You're special" but my question is why? Unless they are hinting at what Adam could have done to Eve while he was fixing her core.
@victorvazquez8704
2 ай бұрын
She could not go full strength Cuz Lilli was in the bot
@derekosgood3230
3 ай бұрын
Just found your channel and subscribed. I'm a little over 80 hours in now on my second play through. I got the return to the colony ending, so I just gotta get the other two endings and I'll finally have the platinum trophy. I'm having even more fun the second time around. It's crazy how much stronger I am now than I was the first round lol
@tanglox
3 ай бұрын
Thank you fam. I greatly appreciate it. I plan on platinuming the game after I finish Shadow of the Erdtree.
@Gamma_Draconis
3 ай бұрын
Raven gone mad, not the be best requirement if you try to build something new.
@tanglox
3 ай бұрын
Understandable. But in a world where the brain is a memory stick, you can just manipulate the mind to what you need it to be.
@Gamma_Draconis
3 ай бұрын
@@tanglox The memory stick is just data, no concies anymore. In broader sense it doesn't matter if the brain is biological or electronic, there are and will be always methods.
@tanglox
3 ай бұрын
I disagree. The complexity in which the game describes the physiology of the Andro-Eidos humans is one of flesh and electronics. Side Missions in the game highlight that they values the memory stick over all other things regarding the body as it is something which contains the essence of the being that existed. If a body core powers, the physical aspect of the Andro-Eidos humans, then the memory stick would be their brain. In a world, where there is a fix for literally anything dealing with an Andro-Eidos Human because they don't have human DNA, but mechanical components, it'd be easy to rewrite the data or swap out the conscientiousness. The only outlier for that represented in the game is Anya (I think is her name)
@Gamma_Draconis
3 ай бұрын
@@tanglox Yup, she lost her data/ memory. Their brains could be overriten because they where in the Internet, like your and mine Smartphone. Their bodys were made of hyper materials to mimik human biology. To be honest many things were'nt descibed, for e.g how do they reproduce, the concret time the game plays in game, where did they get the Material for the gigantic colony, did they colonize Mars and beyond and if what is with mother, 20 Minute delay in com, why had all the biological to die, I mean tools like suites and tech progress, what eat the naitiba, can't mother schere simply wait until they all die out, etc. Yes there were some tech babbel but nothig concreat, in game they always may your memory be eternal, not may you get a new body. Will say that the game is a bare bones canvas for questioning the human essence story wise and nobody should expect answer for this questions. Nonetheless I am now in my 1st NG+ because it a fun game in the end and it is not made by Bethesda 😅.
@tanglox
3 ай бұрын
@@Gamma_Draconis Understood. I'd still disagree because through out the first 2/3s of the game Eve couldn't contact the Mothership. This was because of the Space Station sized Naytiba. With that said, Raven's memory would have been backed up to a point where she didn't know the truth (should events still unfold). Have fun on your NG+, currently going through Elden Ring to play Shadow of the Erdtree.
@JJonahGamerson
3 ай бұрын
14:27 - Those sand traps were a menace. Making me alter my routes when I’m just trying to finish side quests. 😂
@tanglox
3 ай бұрын
For real. The first time I walked into one a Naytiba was hot on Eve's heels. It caught me by surprise.
@neesanickthealbaniandollgu1714
3 ай бұрын
I've played all 3 endings and it seems to me that when you refuse Adam's hand that it is the true ending and the more logical jump off point because you actually will go to the colony and perhaps take the final fight to Mother Sphere and whatever Naytiba or elite angels she has there.. And you know she has to have something up there ready to fight you hard as hell.
@tanglox
3 ай бұрын
Sounds good. Might replay it after Shadow of the Erdtree. Just hoping the enemies don't have a difficulty spike like the final boss I fought. From a story standpoint, I think it'll be interesting to see as the ending I got reminded me of a movie called "The One" starring Jet Li and Jason Statham.
@marcobellanti1786
3 ай бұрын
Well, actually it could be, but I don’t get the feeling that in the other you will not fight mothersphere, considering that she literally try to kill you in the end. In fact in my opinion the best of three in that regard is the fusion+Lily death ending, because Eve seems to be piss off like in no other ending
@tanglox
3 ай бұрын
That would require you to not have the 100% relationship with Lily, right? I did all the side quest and found a bunch of the collectibles which maxed out her relationship meter.
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