This video was demonetized by KZitem after manual review without any explanation as to why. The conclusion we must assume is that KZitem clearly doesn’t want to promote videos talking about military history or events like the Hunger Winter (is KZitem Denialist?). For this reason, I am 100% reliant on my Patreons for support, who really are allowing videos like this to be made. Thank you! All questions are from Patreons donating $5 or more on my Patreon - www.patreon.com/TIKhistory Please consider supporting me and allow this channel to continue. Dutch strikes gripped the country in response to Arnhem being evacuated. This was the excuse used by the Germans to cut food and supplies to the Netherlands. The Hunger Winter was the result. It seems that some blame the Allies for not advancing into the Netherlands quicker to relieve them from the hunger. But Allied strategy was focused on knocking the Germans out of the war, which would then solve the starvation issue by itself. Was this a right strategy? Could the Allies have done more to help the Dutch? And I’m curious to hear your thoughts on the board front vs narrow front strategy, and whether you think either was right or wrong. There are clearly flaws to both. But which was the better strategy? And, once again, who’s really to blame for how Market Garden turned out? Let me know in the comments! *Selected Bibliography / Sources* (I have more books on the Battle of Arnhem and Operation Market Garden, but these were the most relevant to this particular discussion) Beevor, A. “Arnhem: The Battle for the Bridges.” Penguin Books, 2018. Ambrose, S. "Band of Brothers: E Company, 506th Regiment, 101st Airborne from Normandy to Hitler's Eagle's Nest." Simon & Schuster, Kindle 2001. Citino, R. “The Wehrmacht's Last Stand: The German Campaigns of 1944-1945.” University of Kansas, 2017. Eisenhower, D. "Crusade in Europe." Doubleday, Kindle 1948. Hunt, V. "Blood in the Forest: The End of the Second World War in the Courland Pocket." Helion & Company, 2017. Middlebrook, M. “Arnhem 1944: The Airborne Battle, 17-29 September.” 2009. Montgomery, B. "The Memoirs of Field-Marshal Montgomery." Pan & Sword Military, 2014. Neillands, R. “The Battle for the Rhine 1944.” Kindle, 2014. Internet sources - www.pegasusarchive.org/arnhem/RepPegasus.htm www.pegasusarchive.org/arnhem/depth_aftermath.htm Full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing Thanks for watching! Bye for now!
@yathusanthulasi
5 жыл бұрын
Not pinned
@yathusanthulasi
5 жыл бұрын
And what is next weeks video
@TheImperatorKnight
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Pinned now. And next week, no idea. I'm trying to figure out if I can do the first Courland video next week, but I'm not sure I can. It's close, but probably not quite that close. But we'll see...
@Sir.suspicious
5 жыл бұрын
Sad to see KZitem being a jerk again, they never cease to amaze
@AD-ji9ci
5 жыл бұрын
KZitem should be ashamed of themselves, this is happening more and more often to excellent channels.
@antcorke4485
3 жыл бұрын
Dad was wounded by shellfire near to Elst on 15/10/44. He was attached to 130 brigade, 43rd Wessex Div. He’s 98 this year and still remembers a lot about his time.
@edt8535
Жыл бұрын
May God bless Dad!!
@TheKamperfoelie
Жыл бұрын
Thank him please for his actions! We Dutch are grateful to all Allies.
@lyndoncmp5751
2 жыл бұрын
Montgomery actually had an alternative plan to Market Garden on the 9th/10th September. This was for a paratroop drop at Walcheren Island to clear the Scheldt, but General Brereton of First Allied Airborne Army flat out rejected this alternative proposal and decided on Market Garden instead. Montgomery had zero jurisdiction to decide airborne operations. Brereton and Eisenhower had the say so.
@rjohnson1690
5 жыл бұрын
It would be great to see a piece on the 15,000 deserters spoken of in this video. It would also be interesting to see a piece on the German ports that held out for long periods of time. Thank you.
@GuntherSDoumson2178
10 ай бұрын
Dunkerque never surrenderd till May ´45.
@snookums01
5 жыл бұрын
There is a man I know in Canberra Australia who has a "post Arnhem" story of his own. Jumped into Arnhem but failed to escape. Wounded and taken as a PoW, he tried to escape twice and ended up in a camp in Poland. Was freed by the Russians and, seeing he was able to drive, impressed him into their transport corp. In December in 1945, still driving for the Russians, he heard the war was over. News apparently travels very slowly in the Russian army it seems.
@dermotrooney9584
5 жыл бұрын
Nice one. Thanks for sharing. 👍
@steveseamans9048
5 жыл бұрын
so many personal stories to be told. Thank You, sir @@dermotrooney9584
@wr7503
5 жыл бұрын
A camp in Poland in 1944? There was no Poland in 1944. Poland reemerged as a country in 1945 - a Soviet satelite state this time round. During WW2 Germans occupied Poland, German government was the government in Warsaw or Cracow.
@macmcleod1188
5 жыл бұрын
@@wr7503 Well then he probably meant, "a camp which was in the geographical area which was called poland before and after the war as well as by many people during the war while it was under german control." The people in the camp at the time probably said it was in poland too because they were not going to let the germans tell them it was now germany.
@haroldfiedler6549
3 жыл бұрын
@@macmcleod1188 There hasn't been a real Poland for centuries if not longer. What you're calling Poland, post WWII Poland, was as much of an artificial state as the post WWII Poland. One thing you can say for sure, the "occupied" are now the "occupiers." Most of present day Poland is really occupied 🇩🇪 Germany.
@rlosable
5 жыл бұрын
I never heard about that many deserters from the US Army in 44! Could be an interesting topic in itself!!!
@DagarCoH
5 жыл бұрын
An interesting read for that: historywithatwist.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/how-u-s-deserters-sowed-terror-in-world-war-ii-paris/ (dunno how accurate the source is though)
@TheHawkeye61
5 жыл бұрын
Yes! Fifteen thousand American deserters is what most “popped” out at me from this video. I had never heard anything remotely like this before!
@ur2c8
5 жыл бұрын
He failed to mention the rapes and the murders committed by US troops against French civilians.
@TheHawkeye61
5 жыл бұрын
ur2c8...Probably because that was a rare or non existent problem; severely punished when it did occur! May be best if you were to keep your Leftist, anti-American Bullsh!+ out of what was an honest discussion?!
@ComradeIsy
5 жыл бұрын
@Robert Dougherty @ur2c8 Or maybe one could support his controversial claims with facts/historical evidence and the other with counterarguing instead of dismissing it as "leftist antiamerican bullshit", if it is supposed to be a honest discussion.
@michaelyates5976
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent summary. I have often wondered what the aftermath was. Thank you.
@adaw2d3222
5 жыл бұрын
What a treat to have you continue your Arnhem documentary a bit! And BTW, if you look at detailed maps of the scheldt. It looks a bit suicidal to attack there frontally. Maybe that's a good reason why they didn't want to do it.
@Paul9601EX
5 жыл бұрын
Nice you finally learned the Zuiderzee is actually the IJsselmeer (since the ‘30) . I also noticed there was another big battle going on in the Netherlands. That was the allied offensive to the Maas, the battle at Overloon and Roermond, in the same period (October November 1944). Good video though. Thumbs up and go on :)
@reinoutburgers4225
5 жыл бұрын
Although I know quit a bit about the battle of Arnhem it is always good to see your step-by-step map TIK. The battle comes alive and one can suddenly grasp how it unfolds. Good video again TIK, but I know that you know there has being much more fighting on 'The Island' between sept '44 and april '45. (Remember Dick Winters battle at the Dike at Driel/Heteren). The whole episode is worthwhile a separate video. As a matter of fact a Dutch director Bram van Workum is preparing to shoot a movie called Betuwe '44. TIK, although I am not able to patron support you yet (credit card issues) I would like to invite you to come to my hometown Arnhem and I will guide you, drive you around, feed you and make sure you get a decent bed to sleep in.
@dermotrooney9584
5 жыл бұрын
TIK on tour. That would be great.
@danielfield2570
5 жыл бұрын
Oh boy, I love Monday’s now, thanks TIK
@TheImperatorKnight
5 жыл бұрын
Happy to make Mondays that little bit better :)
@secondagent5998
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for highlighting this front after the big operation
@TheImperatorKnight
5 жыл бұрын
No worries, I really enjoy talking about Operation Market Garden :)
@mahlapropyzm9180
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, I too have wondered what happened after the Paras surrendered. It seems too much of history is dominated by glorious battles, won or lost, and not enough on what happened next.
@UnderBoss648
5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video, i hadn't heard about german frogmen, especially not of a mission to blow up the nijmegen bridge.
@Sir.suspicious
5 жыл бұрын
The what happened after market garden question remembered me of the fight for S-Hertogenbosch, that would make a cool mini battlestrom video in the future
@jimscott1717
3 жыл бұрын
My father fought at Arnhem, he swam the Rhine to escape from the encirclement at Oosterbeek. He made his way back to Britain and was returned to his unit (Royal Artillery) with whom he fought till the end of the war. He was a good man but suffered with what we now now as PTSD. On his way out of Arnhem he was in a house that was strafed, he couldn't sleep inside for months afterwards. I wish I knew more about his experiences but he couldn't or wouldn't talk about. Even watching the Alan Ladd film about the battle which used to be shown every year gave him nightmares.
@oranje1964
5 жыл бұрын
Good video. Couple of picks; A "Räumungkommando" is not about repossession but about clearing out an area of all possible valuables. its pronounced as "roymung" as it has an umlaut on the A. The town of "Ede" is pronounced as "Ayduh". "Zuiderzee" is pronounced as "Zowderzay". Good call on the "Seine..!! "Waho Mohammed" ..!!
@thomaschildress360
Жыл бұрын
I just watched/listened to this discussion. About 6 times already. Thanks for the info, very good. Love your technique of giving us facts when you know them and when opinions are given , you are clear that is IS an opinion. I just got a copy of the 1974 "The World At War" video(s) and have watched episode 19, Pincers. It starts with Operation Market-Garden, with interviews with General Horrocks and others. It really helps understand the whole situation coming from the horses-mouth. Again thank you for your knowledge and your time in making these vids.
@billslocum9819
5 жыл бұрын
In the movie "A Bridge Too Far" we last see the man with the umbrella mortally wounded after the final surrender in Arnhem. So I'm surprised to learn he not only lived, but managed to getaway with a decent number of his comrades.
@peezebeuponyou3774
3 жыл бұрын
If you believe that film, you'll probably be in for a lot more surprises, tbf.
@jimmorris6395
2 жыл бұрын
Digby Tatham_Warter was portrayed as a bit of a pratt in the film. He was one of the bravest, and would use his military rational to inflict without flinching. After the war he moved to kenya where he was one of the first to open a bloodles safari where folk could actually study the animals. He died in 1993.
@davemac1197
3 жыл бұрын
Couple of points. The German 363.Volksgrenadier-Division is located in the wrong place on the video map. It was not attached to II.SS-Panzerkorps in the Arnhem area (with 10.SS-Panzer, 9.Panzer and 116.Panzer-Divisions), it was subordinated to the newly arrived XII.SS-Armeekorps based in Ede, which controlled the newly reformed 363.Volksgrenadier-Division (an army infantry division reorganised with less manpower but more automatic weapons) from Germany, and the in situ Division von Tettau that controlled various training units under German Armed Forces Netherlands during the Airborne battle. 363.Volksgrenadier-Division, having arrived in Ede by train, was deployed across the Rijn to the west of Opheusden, and it was units from this Division that attacked the US 101st Airborne in the Opheusden area, while faint attacks like Oelker's SS training unit (from the SS NCO school) crossed in the Doorwerth area (between Renkum and Driel on the map) as described in the video. These feint attacks were to draw attention away from attacks by II.SS-Panzerkorps in the east that were hoped to retake the Nijmegen bridges. It was even hoped that if all these attacks succeeded, they would link up and clear all Allied forces on the 'island' between Arnhem and Nijmegen. It all came to nought because Allied units on the island were too strong. To avoid any confusion, the 9.Panzer-Division in this video is the army unit relocated to Holland from Aachen along with 116.Panzer-Division, and not its SS counterpart the 9.SS-Panzer-Division, which had been in the process of entraining for Siegen in Germany to be refitted when the Airborne attack took place. After the Airborne battle was over, it completed its move to Germany, leaving its sister division the 10.SS-Panzer-Division in Holland. The second point was that while the Germans controlled the civilian Dutch telephone system, there was another telephone system in the Province of Gelderland that the Germans were completely unaware of. This was an advanced internal network belonging to the PGEM electricity company that used communications cables on the electrical transmission lines running across the province. Since the southern half of Gelderland was in Allied hands and the northern part still in German hands, the Dutch resistance had a secure means of communication across the frontlines the Germans didn't even know existed. Interesting sidebar - one of the switchboards for this system was in a PGEM office building that had been occupied by the SD (the SS Security Service) in Arnhem. The Dutch resistence had to pose as PGEM workers (those with the necessary knowledge worked for the company anyway) to gain access to the building for 'regular maintenance' of 'essential equipment' in order to make their calls to Allied held Nijmegen.
@viarr2893
5 жыл бұрын
Howdy! Excellent conclusion video, but I'd love to hear more about what happens next. Perhaps a video on the engagements during the last months of 1944 between the end of Market Garden and the start of Wacht am Rhein; the fighting in and around Aachen in November and other occurrences leading up to the Ardennes counteroffensive?
@washingtonradio
5 жыл бұрын
"An army fights on its stomach" - Napoleon; someone who had a problem with supplies. Monty seems to have never really studied logistics. One point I think everyone forgets is there is a tendency for offensives to out run their supplies and grind to a halt. If the defenders can still retreat they can wiggle off the hook and reset themselves.
@lyndoncmp5751
2 жыл бұрын
Montgomery was a master of logistics and supply. He was more savvy than any other commander in that aspect of war. He was simply told by SHAEF intel at the end of the second week in September 1944 that the Germans in front of him were down on their knees. That's why he immediately decided on a quick advance.
@rankedpsiguy1
5 жыл бұрын
Beware of "Brother Ambrose". His books were written solely with profit in mind. Historically accurate facts were often sacrificed for sake of a good story - making the task of HBO mini-series writers easier. Check out "The Road to Arnhem" by Donald R. Burgett for an accurate description from an enlisted paratrooper's (A Company 506 PIR - 101st ABD) point of view.
@dermotrooney9584
5 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@bigwoody4704
4 жыл бұрын
You wrote the book on getting things wrong - you embellishments are all over the comment sections
@peezebeuponyou3774
3 жыл бұрын
Yes- a populist author of no real historical merit.
@jduff59
3 жыл бұрын
This explains a lot about the characters in the film "Kelly's Heroes" which, although a comedy - had to be based on tale tales from the ETO in 44/45. Roving gangs of Allied soldiers et al.
@milan190291
5 жыл бұрын
Realy interesting video once again, though the Zuiderzee incident did take all the credibility out of the video ofcourse
@TheImperatorKnight
5 жыл бұрын
Of course haha
@sorsocksfake
5 жыл бұрын
What's a Zoiderzee? :) (congrats on some of the pronounciations by the way... but that 'ui' sound will ever elude you English types :) ).
@philipcongdon494
25 күн бұрын
An excellent appreciation worthy of the best.
@Elmarby
5 жыл бұрын
The point of the thrust northward would be to not just get the Scheldt area but to also put the port of Rotterdam in play, plus the German units in Holland. IMHO Market Garden was the best move to make given the logistical situation. It put two major ports within reach and would directly threaten the Ruhr.
@ronaldpatterson1177
3 жыл бұрын
My mother suffered, but survived the 1944 Dutch Hunger Winter in Rotterdam, and distinctly remembers eating Swedish White bread and butter dropped by the English at the end of the Hunger Winter. She said it was an unforgettable delight !
@localbod
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting. A very thorough and informative presentation about the aftermath of operation Market Garden. I did learn a lot. I may well be wrong but I think that the mad colonel of Arhem's name is pronounced "doebee" like toby is, but with a D. I stand to be corrected.
@jumpmastermp21
4 күн бұрын
My Dad’s unit was attached to a British unit in North Africa or Anzio. He said their rations were horrible. He spoke of a fish paste, that was particularly horrible.
@haroldfiedler6549
3 жыл бұрын
Monty's purpose for Market Garden was an allied spearhead all the way to Berlin and an end to the war by Christmas as crazy as that sounds. When Monty didn't get approval from Eisenhower, he threw a fit and Market Garden was the consolation prize. There was no consideration made in regards to the German controlled Scheldt estuary or all the islands along the way. Given the allied supply problems, it's so obvious the Scheldt should have been the objective and the opening up of the port of Antwerp.
@lyndoncmp5751
2 жыл бұрын
Actually Montgomery had an alternative plan for Market Garden, which was a paratroop drop at Walcheren Island to clear the Scheldt, but General Brereton of First Allied Airborne Army flat out rejected it and chose Market Garden instead. Eisenhowers broad front strategy was a disaster. It prolonged the war by months and caused the failures in the Lorraine, Hurtgen Forest, Operation Queen and the retreat in the Ardennes.
@TheSpaceHamster
3 жыл бұрын
That 19 minute mark series of photos during the Hunger Winter, wow. Sharp, painful. The image of the starving/crying infant...
@L24-h8i
5 жыл бұрын
I don't believe there was anything the Allies could've done after Arnhem to help the Dutch citizens, Hell's Highway is still a single road which is still being attacked, 3 German divisions are blocking an exhausted XXX Corps and they still have to deal with a very long supply line now extended by the operation. The Allied strategy was basically all they could do. I think the broad and narrow fronts both work well but in terms of getting across the Rhine the narrow front was probably the better option. If Market Garden succeeded then it would've denied the Germans a Army(the 15th) if the Allies crossed it, the 15th Army would be weakened by being cut off from Germany and losing any supplies it might've been getting(which might have been Montgomery's idea, take out a German army and secure entrances to Antwerp in one blow), they could try to escape across that road to the north that connects Southern and Northern Netherlands but that place is a bombers dream. It would of given the Allies the perfect location to bypass the Siegfried line which might've made it less difficult for the troops about to cross into Germany and the Rhine, might not have been an Operation Varsity if Market Garden succeeded. It seems like a chance worth taking. For who's to blame, I would say Gavin for not sending a larger force to the Nijmagen bridge.
@yathusanthulasi
5 жыл бұрын
Why couldn't they retreat from the halls highway
@L24-h8i
5 жыл бұрын
YathytheCanuck if you mean the Allies then that would be a terrible idea, not only would it be terrible on the troops moral but that would give the Germans the perfect opportunity to destroy an entire enemy Corps and 2 Airborne Divisions. Retreating down one road being chased by 4 German divisions, 3 of them panzers, plus any coming from the 15th German army and that's not including any divisions the Germans might send from the east, it would be the equivalent to a death sentence.
@yathusanthulasi
5 жыл бұрын
@@L24-h8i ok I meant the allies and thanks for answering my question
@dermotrooney9584
5 жыл бұрын
@@yathusanthulasi Staying in place was pretty sound. The German counter attacks in the north played to allied strengths and (I think) caused more German casualties than the main Arnhem battle.
@davidmouser596
5 жыл бұрын
The whole Sheldt situation was a cockup, everyone at the top knew it and no one wanted the blame. The only ones who had a clue as to its importance was the German command.
@lyndoncmp5751
2 жыл бұрын
But the Scheldt suceeded. In fact it was the only allied compaign of autumn 1944 to actually achieve its objectives, whereas the Lorraine, Hurtgen, Operation Queen etc all failed and with higher casualties.
@sf14031952
5 жыл бұрын
Very good documentary ,
@schaef2355
5 жыл бұрын
Wow back when colonels actually served on the front and didn’t just make appearances for morale
@G_v._Losinj2_ImportantPlaylist
5 жыл бұрын
“I love a good rump.” -TIK, 2019.
@iVETAnsolini
5 жыл бұрын
Tik, do you have a video on the falaise pocket-gap?
@TheImperatorKnight
5 жыл бұрын
I do not at the moment. I'm working my way through the North African Campaign so I can go through Italy then Normandy, and then reach Falaise. Is a long-term strategy for the channel, but I hope it will pay off in the end.
@360Nomad
5 жыл бұрын
Just got done watching Operation Biting, Any plans for more Battlestorm about the smaller engagements of WWII (ones that can be compressed into a single video) such as Bloody Gulch, Brécourt Manor, or Operation Chariot? Also, I remember you saying you were planning on doing videos about the Holocaust and Holodmor, will that be happening in the foreseeable future? Also, 6th :)
@TheImperatorKnight
5 жыл бұрын
There's a few small operations within both Courland and Stalingrad - the next Battlestorms. After that, who knows!? And, while I do intend to cover the Holocaust and Holodomor, this video has confirmed that I won't be able to monetize such videos (see pinned comment). I also suspect that KZitem doesn't really promote demonetized videos which is discouraging. So yes I will do them (probably after Courland), but right now I'm a bit disheartened by KZitem's anti-history stance.
@360Nomad
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheImperatorKnight >KZitem is run by assholes News at 11 Also, I noticed you mentioned in the video that Jews hiding in Arnhem at the time of battle were caught in mop-up. Any idea as to their ultimate fate? I imagine that if they weren't killed on the spot, most would've been sent to Westerbork transit camp, although the last transports to Auschwitz had left on September 3rd, (Anne Frank was on this one iirc), 14 days prior to the launch of Operation Market Garden (iirc all future planned transports to Auschwitz were suspended specifically in response to Operation Market Garden because the Wehrmacht didn't need trains of Jews clogging up the rail lines when the Allies were threatening to completely overrun the Netherlands).
@yathusanthulasi
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheImperatorKnight I dont see a pinned comment
@dirkarum9703
5 жыл бұрын
The Duch Railways went on strike on September 17th in support of Market Garden. The German Railways (DRB) took the service over but only to supply their own troops and bring V2's to The Hague and bring all the looted factories and the railwayssystem itself to Germany.
@chloestewart3431
3 жыл бұрын
If anyone wants to read about the escape of the paras from Arnhem, the book called The grey goose of Arnhem by Leo Heaps is recommended, it jumps around but gives a great view of how the escape happened from the soldiers there
@spudwesth
4 жыл бұрын
Our Canadians had a hell of a time in the Scheldt. We could have used air support and amphibious tanks.... and more artillery. The fields were flooded. 40,000 Dutch people died of starvation.
@frankruisch8589
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome thank you. I actualy live in Renkum and it's awesome to see that you are spot on and the story is documented in such a educative way. May we never forget. I've got a nice drone/commemoration video of the famous Old Church in Oosterbeek that is really worth checking out on my channel. Thanks again for your work.
@twhis9843
8 ай бұрын
Interesting story about American deserters going rogue. No surprise. Remember the TV show “Sgt Bilko”?
@Robin_Olds_Creates
5 жыл бұрын
Hey TIK, i just had a quick question for you. I'm writing a term paper for my history class on German night fighters of WWII. I was wondering if you have any books you can recommend for some sources on this topic. Thank you very much!
@Fuzzy_nutstein
5 жыл бұрын
Still a patron and not going anywhere!
@vleckiehond4691
5 жыл бұрын
3:57 'reduced to the size of kampfgruppe'. What does this actually mean, since as I understand it, a kampfgruppe is an improvisational unit made up from whatever was in the area? Can't the size vary immensly as a result or is my understanding of the formation wrong?
@dermotrooney9584
5 жыл бұрын
Yes but generally smaller than the thing it used to be. 🖖
@bvkronenberg6786
5 жыл бұрын
Kampfgruppe is appropriately 130 effectives.
@brian5154
3 жыл бұрын
This is NOT Holland. It is the Netherlands, North and South Holland are two provinces in the west.
@garyhardison9265
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing
@Phantomrasberryblowe
5 жыл бұрын
From Monty, The Field Marshall by Nigel Hamilton: General Student, in a statement after the war,considered the ‘Market Garden’ Operation to have been proved to be a great success. At one stroke it brought the British 2nd Army into the possession of the vital bridges and valuable territory. The conquest of the Nijmegen area meant the creation of a good jumping board for the offensive which contributed to the end of the war.
@bigwoody4704
4 жыл бұрын
He said nothing like that the Germans couldn't believe the planner Montgomery was so daft - their words.One 64 mile road you can't turn around on is the idea of an idiot
@Phantomrasberryblowe
4 жыл бұрын
Big Woody Rambo how was the therapy today? Do you go everyday or just some days of the week?
@bigwoody4704
4 жыл бұрын
Johnny Burns have them remove your ankle monitor so you can enter the library where they may read a book for you.The have audio books for the blind or the less eveolved such as yourself
@laurancerobinson
5 жыл бұрын
Hi TIK, I hope you get this. You asked me to inform you when the report on the Finnish Waffen-SS volunteers investigation is complete. It is done and been published. I have a PDF on the report if you would like it. My youtube messaging is open.
@gerhardris
7 ай бұрын
Well documented video. Based on Dutch sources of our army historic section editors Monty and Ike are strongly critisezed. My reading of history proper based on the facts as far as I'm aware on September 4th 1944 is that both Monty and Ike should have thought through in end 1943 the logistical problems post DDay Normandy. They hadden't done a good job. They should both have known nigh everything about all the ports and the next major natural obsticle the Rhine. Opening up Antwerp as the best option and crucial for a indeed then best after short term small front should have been known then. Admiral Ramsey did grasp this. Anyway, thanks to the Belgian resistance Monty after a brilliant dash unexpectedly got Antwerp on the 4th. We know that on that date the first battalion of the German 15th army had crossed from Breskens to Vlissingen on Walcheren. Even that shouldn't have happend. Maximum sea and air power should have been on call to shock and awe that army into surrender or anihilation on the South bank Breskens even before D Day. Monty gave the wrong order to Pips and the Canadians by not ordering to cut off the harbour of Antwerp to the West and North asap. The Belgian resistance had taken the bridges over the Albert canal in Antwerp. Pips ordered to secure the harbour lost his way. Monty should have made damn shore that couldn't have happend. Not errors that a Patton, Rommel, Guderian or O Conner type generals would have let happen. Monty should have ordered his knackerd tank troops to block off toward Bergen op Zoom. And, send a recon in force armoured car force to try to take the Sloedam entry to Walcheren by supprize. Monty admitted after the war he dwasn't aware of this. His arrogance prevented him asking the Dutch allies in Brittain. Further more you too speak of the Zuider sea. Indeed Monty had hopen to bag the 15th army there not knowingbit wasn't a sea but the IJssel lake see the Afsluitdijk on your map. Had Monty succeeded in opening up Antwerp, I guess that the further mining of the Schelde went along frantically after the 4th of September so that too would have solved the prime logistical problem. Ike should have * logistics permitting (?)* have a general like Patton fly in to take charge of a US led attack of US armour divisions doing Market Garden. The British on Walcheren and covering the flank of the corridor toward Arnhem. The Canadians the South bank all out. Market should have had on Dutch advice been two US para divisions between Arnhem and Nijmegen and the Britisch around Eindhoven. Near the bridges akin the succesfull DDay. Anyway, the SS division would with hindsight been sent to Bergen op Zoom dtc. But further SS forces would have been brought to the area before 1rth September. Let's assume the end effect of Market Garden the same but with Antwerp open. Then a massive attack accross the Neder Rhine much smaller than the Waal which bridgehead was held would have been possible. Getting the Veluwe as planed and then not strike as incorrectly planed to the Rhur but towards Wilhelms hafen in Germany cutting off Holland as V1 V2 launch base. And, providing a staging area for the Brittish to strike toward Hamburg Berlin and Patton back to his army cross the Rhine below the Rhur. Encircling via North Kassel and Fulda gap Frankfurt. Meeting inbetween. War probably over in 1944. 21:16
@GregWampler-xm8hv
5 ай бұрын
So sorry but you're dead wrong. Monty was head of all ground forces and is by far the main culprit. Sorry y'all have to try to pass the buck. Americans made mistakes too but this wouldn't be one of them. More than a wee bit of jealously as the Americans at this stage provided the overwhelming majority of men and machines. Including to the British allies. I'm sure the Brits were reasonably grateful but cheerleaders/apologist like tik/schlock just have their little nappies all up in a twist. 😎
@gerhardris
5 ай бұрын
@@GregWampler-xm8hv who's wrong. I say nearly the same thing .
@thevillaaston7811
3 ай бұрын
@@GregWampler-xm8hv Its a definite no. By the time of MARKET GARDEN, Eisenhower was both Supreme Commander, and Allied Land Forces Commander. Montgomery did not even have jurisdiction over the airborne divisions in that undertaking until they made contact with XXX Corps during the MARKET GARDEN operation. The idea British are jealous of Americans is absurd. Britain was the only one of the five major belligerents (Britain, Germany, Italy, Japan and Russia) that went to war on behalf of another country, all the others attacked other countries or were an attack. The USA is excluded from this group of nations as its homeland was never under threat and therefore it does not deserve to a place at this group. Britain was the only major country to fight from the beginning to the end of the war. The only country to fight Germany and Italy on its own - for an entire year. The only country to fight in every part of the war: North West Europe, Italy, North Africa, Central Africa, the Balkans, Asia and the Pacific. On its own Britain out-produced Germany. All this from a country that is the size of the US State of Oregon and for four years was 20 miles from the enemy. As far a who did what in the Second World War is concerned, WE RULE. 'the Americans at this stage provided the overwhelming majority of men and machines.' The statistics at that time were... British 21st Army Group: Men 829,640. Vehicles 202,789. US 12th Army Group: Men1,222,659. Vehicles 235,682.
@mikehazeleger9278
3 жыл бұрын
Even if the Allies would have managed to cut off the German army in the centre of the Netherlands (in the case of a succesful Market Garden attack) the goal which you suggest, it still would not have created a pocket for these German troops. In the north of the Netherlands you still would have the Afsluitdijk, which would have allowed the Germans to retreat from Holland through the Northern part of the Netherlands back to Germany. To truely surround the Germans in Holland, you would have needed troops on the other side of that Dijk. Meaning stationing blocking forces in the western part of the province of Friesland. Historically, the Canadians only liberated Leeuwarden and the province of Friesland around April 1945.. The allies could have bombed the Afsluitdijk, but that would have meant flooding half of the Netherlands.
@davemac1197
Жыл бұрын
The Afsleudijk was vulnerable to air attack, and probably even naval bombardment, to prevent any evacuation of German forces trapped in the western Netherlands. A similar situation, far less exposed but effective nonetheless, existed in Ukraine at the recently blown Khakhovka dam. When the northern bank of the Dnipro River was repossessed by Ukrainian forces, they were able to prevent the dam being used by the Russians by destroying the roadway access on top of the dam by artillery systems without damaging the dam itself. Destroying the Afsluitdijk would take considerably more explosive than would be delivered by the fighter bombers that could interdict road travel along the causeway and completely block it with wrecked vehicles. It would have been a shooting gallery with carnage on the scale of Falaise.
@lauriepocock3066
5 жыл бұрын
Knowing Eisenhower’s and Montgomery’s passion for detailed planning I could never understand Arnhem. Both expected and planned for it to take a year to reach the German border. In the second week of August, both America and British were not more than twenty miles for where they started on June 6th. By the end of August, they were in Belgium, with supply lines stretched. Admittedly there was the 1st Allied Airborne Army unused in back in England. • Allies Land in Normandy 6th June. • Break out does not happen until August 1st to 11th, and Paris is liberated on August 25th. • Le Havre not liberated until 12th September. • Brussels liberated by 3rd September After this rush across northern France it would make sense, especially as Eisenhower is determined to follow a broad front strategy, to stop, rest, and consolidate. However, there has to be something that convinces Montgomery, and for Eisenhower to sanction committing the 1st Allied Airborne Army on an operation which neither are fully convinced would be successful. We know Hitler believes he has a game-changing weapon. People usually take this to mean either the V1 first launched after D Day, the ME262, or the V2 which was hitting London and Antwerp by early September. Is a V2 with only one ton of explosive a game changer. No. It’s got to be the most expensive delivery system ever, but the first of 1400 that eventually land, arrives on London on the 9th September. I now believe that Arnhem was forced on Montgomery and Eisenhower to deny Hitler a launch pad for these weapons. The real fear is that Hitler was close to having an atomic warhead, or more lightly, a very dirty radioactive bomb, hence the rush to get into Germany at all cost to at least deny Hitler suitable launch sites to hit London. In Montgomery’s Memoir published in 1958 he skips over all his battles saying they have been described in detail elsewhere, but in the case of Arnhem, he qualifies this statement with two comments about the V2(page 274). When, in November 1943, the Norwegian resistance sank the Hydro it had on board four ton of heavy water. That amount was just sufficient to allow the German reactor to go critical, but that is information that is not known until after the war. I know that some people have been very critical because Montgomery is not completely convincing in his reason for authorising Market Garden and that he should have given more importance to opening up the port of Antwerp. Could that be he for security reasons was not permitted to give the real reasons for committing 1AAA to a campaign, which he knew had a better than 50/50 of failing. There is a question why the RAF did not bomb the surrounding areas which really needs to be asked, but I wonder how much our experience in Caen influenced that decision, for there we know that the bomb damage made defending the City from the Allies much easier and many of the supply problems had been exasobated by the destruction of French rail infrastructure.
@lauriepocock3066
5 жыл бұрын
@John Cornell l know that's how some of the key players saw things, but I don't think Montgomerie saw it that way, he had respect for German capacity to regroup, hence I believe the fear of a dirty atomic attack on London must be a consideration, and I don't think that many of the key players other than Monty and Ike would have had any knowledge of such a potential threat.
@roodborstkalf9664
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent post
@Splodge542
5 жыл бұрын
I read somewhere that Audrey Hepburn survived this hunger winter whilst delivering messages on her bike for the Dutch resistance. She was offered the part of Kate ter Horst in the movie "A Bridge too Far" but asked for too much money and so the part went to Liv Ullman. Pity she would have been great.
@bv2623
5 жыл бұрын
Audrey Hepburn has indeed an interesting and intriguing backgroundstory during the war. Her parents were donors for the British fascist movement in the 1930's, while living in Brussels. In 1939 she moved with her Dutch mother to Arnhem in order to avoid the war. During the war, several familymembers on the motherside got involved in resistance. There were some rumours of her working for the Dutch resistance during this "Hongerwinter", but nothing has been confirmed tho.
@Splodge542
5 жыл бұрын
Darcey Bussel did a BBC documentary about Audrey Hepburn a few years ago which I enjoyed but I can't remember all the details. I don't know if she ever talked about her involvement with the Dutch resistance on film or tape but maybe she did.
@ulcolandheer773
3 жыл бұрын
Although great actors, she and mr Olivier played parts which should've been played by dutch actors (or at least by someone who speaks the language). It was obvious they weren't native dutch speakers.
@Splodge542
3 жыл бұрын
Oh I wish I wish that Hepburn and Olivier could have made this film for the drama. We think we understand the past but we do not. That's why we need the evidence and to learn from each other.
@aaronseet2738
5 жыл бұрын
Does that mean... the Siegfried line was actually less troublesome to attack?
@donmckeoun7990
5 жыл бұрын
The question is after air reconnaissance revealed German armor in the arnehm area . Why did Montgomery allow British 1st airborne to be dropped on top of 2 ss panzer divisions?
@rudolfrednose7351
4 жыл бұрын
Tik, I think this is one of your most interesting videos. Thanks. Who ever heard of the Battle of the Schelde and its importance? President Trump who, as we all know is a real history buff, wouldn’t even come to the commemoration last year.
@mathieustephens8391
4 жыл бұрын
5:40 Allies destroy the bridge to prevent Axis to reinforce south... This means that if they had succeeded in capturing it, they might not have been able to keep the north bank anyways... poor planning Montgomery...
@lyndoncmp5751
2 жыл бұрын
That wasn't Montgomery. Montgomery had no jurisdiction to command bombing operations. On fact beyond the initial idea for Market Garden, Montgomery didn't have much more input into the operation and he turned it over to the First Allied Airborne Army, the RAF the USAAF and the individual British 2nd Army commanders.
@Idahoguy10157
5 жыл бұрын
After Monty published his memoirs after the war excoriating Eisenhower, their was no relationship.
@jaman878
3 жыл бұрын
There wasn’t a good relationship during the war either. Monty actually had the nerve to show up at Eisenhower’s home in Gettysburg because he wanted to see it. That would have been an interesting meeting. Ryan has a foot note where Ike is in the hospital and being interviewed. The interviewer asks him about something Montgomery was supposed to have said. Eisenhower cuts him off and replies with something he doesn’t care what Montgomery has to say and says Montgomery is”pathologically incapable of telling the truth.”
@lyndoncmp5751
2 жыл бұрын
But in his own memoirs Montgomery actually blamed the Germans, the weather and his own mistakes. He did also cite lack of resources, but he didn't blame Eisenhower specifically.
@Idahoguy10157
2 жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 ….. Eisenhower had had enough of Montgomery’s ego.
@Hooibeest2D
3 жыл бұрын
The answer is, 30.000 Dutch people died due to hunger and Lack of fuel and resources. The west of the country was cut of and all means of transport where destroyed in the region. So when a harsh winter came the west of the country couldn't be supplied and lots of people died in the hongerwinter. When the English claimed the mission to be an succes the Dutch prince Bernhard commented: the Dutch people can't take anymore British success.
@thevillaaston7811
2 жыл бұрын
It was 18,000. Far more people were liberated by MARKET GARDEN than died in the Winter of 1944-45 under German occupation. The ex SS man Prince Bernhard was rightly shown the door by both British and US intelligence services. Only his Royal connections kept him out of prison in the 1970s, in the wake the Lockheed scandal.
@casparcoaster1936
3 жыл бұрын
Have never heard a citing about when Germans occupied the Shelte.... weren't born there... or, well, just relevant to the Shelte controveries...
@jctopgun
5 жыл бұрын
I don't get why the Germans did not fortify Antwerp strongly and put a large force in it to defend it. Knowing it was a major port!
@Elementalism
5 жыл бұрын
I waiting for you to say the dutch bartered with the 15,000 deserters from the US armed forces. I didnt know the US had that many deserters in France. And they looted their own convoys to sell on the black market.
@roodborstkalf9664
5 жыл бұрын
Entirely possible, and even very likely that Dutch "black merchants" (in Dutch: zwarthandelaren) bought stuff in Paris from the 15,000 deserters.
@jqwermqwer6442
5 жыл бұрын
My great uncle fought for the Germans in this operation. My understanding that months before they were pulled from the Russia front then retrained and put there specifically to stop an airborne assault. For a guy who survived WWI and WW2 up to this point this was the last it point we can track down🤷♂️🤷♂️ nobody knows.. anyways his brother (my grandfather) who had immigrated to the US in the 20s as a young boy fought in the pacific theatre for the battle of the PI..
@SNP-1999
3 жыл бұрын
As so often, I think a combination of the reasons for Market- Garden explained here would be nearer the truth than just one of them. One must however never forget Montgomery's overbearing ambition to become THE Allied general to practically win the war single- handed. The intention of taking out the German 16th Army in the post- Market- Garden operations was in my opinion only an excuse for Monty to get his way with Eisenhower. Monty's main objective was to get HIS troops over the Rhine before Patton, and to capture the Ruhr. Monty should have attacked the German army in the Scheldt Estuary instead of coming up with M-G, but for him this option didn't carry the fame and glory that he always craved for.
@thevillaaston7811
2 жыл бұрын
On the 8th September 1944, the first German V2 rockets landed in London, launched from the Western part of the Netherlands, in the area around The Hague. An urgent signal was sent from London to Montgomery about know what could be done about those attacks. The rockets could not be intercepted once they were in flight, and given they were launched from mobile launchers, usually in built up area, thus the chances of hitting their launch equipment were almost zero. Therefore, the only thing that could be attempted was to stop delivery of rockets to the western part of the Netherlands. When Montgomery met Dempsey on the 10th September, they discussed whether MARKET GARDEN should end at Nijmegen or Arnhem. Montgomery showed Dempsey the signal from London which settled the matter. Where is the craving for glory in that? Prior to that, Montgomery had pointed out to Eisenhower that allied logistics only allowed for two of the four allied armies to advance against Germany and that the advance should be by British 2nd Army and the US 1st Army - towards the Ruhr. Failing that decision, Montgomery would agree to British 2nd Army and the Canadian 1st Army being halted, and the resources put to Bradley’s subordinates, Hodges (US 1st Army), and US 3rd Army (Patton), provided that a decision on a single thrust was taken over the available resources being spread out over all four armies - leaving the allies being not strong enough to advance properly anywhere - which is what happened. Where is the craving for glory in that? Where is there shred of reliable evidence (contemporary documents, utterances by Montgomery), that 'Monty's main objective was to get HIS troops over the Rhine before Patton'?
@davemac1197
Жыл бұрын
The overbearing ambition myth is mostly American made. The truth is that he overestimated the abilities of his allies, specifically the 1st Canadian Army's difficulties in clearing the Scheldt by themselves (it was in their sector of the front) and which he later admitted was his mistake, and the American 82nd Airborne Division's ability to seize an undefended bridge at Nijmegen on the first afternoon of Operation Market Garden. Montgomery was not guilty of hubris. He was guilty of underestimating his allies rather than overestimating himself. Gavin (82nd Airborne) realised that his 508th Regiment had probably compromised the entire operation by 1830 hrs on D-Day when he was told they were not moving with speed on the Nijmegen bridge as he had instructed before the operation. He was as "mad" as the 508th's liaison officer had ever seen him, and they immediately went to the 508th CP to confront the regimental commander and get him moving, but it was too late. SS-Panzer units were reinforcing the bridges and the city that evening. 82nd Airborne historian Phil Nordyke's combat history of the 508th - Put Us Down In Hell (2012) details these events, and John Sliz's Market Garden Engineers series volume on the XXX Corps' Special Bridging Force (2021) details the alternate plan for taking the Nijmegen bridges if still held by the Germans as either a one or two-brigade river assault to be made by the British 43rd (Wessex) Infantry Division. It was Gavin attempting to make amends for his division's blunder that led him to propose putting the 504th PIR across the river in boats instead. Market Garden was compromised in the 508th PIR command post, not Montgomery's caravan. Conspiracy theorists have speculated it was deliberate, so that a British led operation would fail, but I don't subscribe to it. Nine times out of ten it's a screw-up rather than conspiracy. The 508th's commander had previous form in Normandy, as decsribed by Nordyke in his earlier chapters, and Gavin himself had inherited command of the division when Ridgway was promoted to US XVIII Airborne Corps in August and then failed to replace himself as Assistant Divisional Commander, resulting in running himself ragged doing both jobs during the planning and execution of Market Garden.
@MegaBloggs1
2 жыл бұрын
Tik- do you really think the 15th was capable of a counter attack from the west toward Antwerp? I think Horrocks stuffed up by not sealing off the Scheldt when 11th armoured captured Antwerp. Monty should have cleared the estuary BEFORE Market Garden
@thevillaaston7811
Жыл бұрын
'Monty should have cleared the estuary BEFORE Market Garden' That was Eisenhower's decision.
@davemac1197
Жыл бұрын
Why? That might seem like a good idea if a Rhine crossing was not possible, but it was, so it made sense to launch Market Garden as soon as possible while the Germans were still off balance following their withdrawal from Normandy. Eisenhower accepted that logic and approved the operation on that basis. Even if you could predict the Americans would fail to secure the undefended Nijmegen bridge on the first afternoon of the operation, that's hardly Montgomery's fault, is it? 15.Armee were mostly contained in the western Holland region while Market Garden was proceeding, although their 59.Infanterie-Division was the first to evacuate across the Scheldt and were transferred to 1.Fallschirm-armee to counter-attack the corridor at Best. If Market Garden had succeeded, it would have completely cut off not only 15.Armee, but also the western half of 1.Fallschirm-armee, and the balance of the WBN (German occupation forces in the Netherlands) west of the corridor.
@thevillaaston7811
Жыл бұрын
@@davemac1197 Agree with all of this. Also, the need to curtail V2 attacks on Britain, alone justified the mounting of MARKET GARDEN.
@davemac1197
Жыл бұрын
@@thevillaaston7811 - the V-2 issue was a timely intervention by the Germans that might have settled the issue if the case for Arnhem hadn't already been substantially made. The remarkable thing is that American paratroopers came so close to capturing Hans Kammler's SS-Division zV at the Hotel Groot Berg-en-Dal, just as Model's Heeresgruppe B headquarters also had to be evacuated in Oosterbeek. Market Garden came so close to killing a number of birds with one stone...
@bigwoody4704
Жыл бұрын
Dave Hack and little villa spewing more nonsense. Horrocks and Pip Roberts both stated after the war they could have taken not only the port but the estuary leading up to and open it when they arrived September 4th.Not over 2 and half months later. This is what happened when IKE allowed not only a very limited partner but a laibility in Monty have their way - DISASTER. Britain had much better officers - MUCH
@xelanoxin
5 жыл бұрын
This is intersting story for the game Post Scriptum on PC lol.
@mikestanmore2614
5 жыл бұрын
How did Commonwealth troops manage to go the whole war on Commonwealth rations, or more to the point, why couldn't the Americans last a few weeks on those same rations without stealing livestock?
@davidtuttle7556
5 жыл бұрын
Because British food sux generally. And american soldiers wont tolerate bad food. If they're to be expected to fight and die, then they expect to do so well fed at least. Now pass the bacon please and mind the coffeee, its hot.
@davidtuttle7556
5 жыл бұрын
@John Cornell That may be currently, but our coffee, bacon and beef were better at the time. C rations were pretty decent IF you get a fuel source to heat them with. As for cheese whiz I dont eat the stuff. But I've tried vegemite and it's no substitute for meat. As for beer, you need to get away from the big brands and look more at local craft beers. They're a lot better. Hot dogs are a snack, not a meal. But I do make a mean chili burger.
@davidtuttle7556
5 жыл бұрын
@John Cornell Bully beef and beans on toast. Smh. I will grant you English make some solid bitters. But your ales are pissier than ours. And again, beans on toast. For breakfast. Talk about WMD.
@davidtuttle7556
5 жыл бұрын
@John Cornell Fuel for a hard days work. Especially in winter. But yes, we do eat too many of them.
@4700_Dk
4 жыл бұрын
Personally, I feel that Monty knew that Germany was done and decided not to have increased casualties and decided to let the Red Army do the heavy lifting.
@roryobrien4401
3 жыл бұрын
Not wishing to defend them, but you can see why there's no love lost between Dutch and German football supporters.
@terencewinters2154
3 жыл бұрын
Hell's highway one road in and one road out doomed Montes plan as luftwaffe and surrounding troops still existed to make it the highway to hell.
@calengr1
Жыл бұрын
11:55 15K USA deserters in Paris region
@motorrebell
5 жыл бұрын
Interesting , What happened to the 22,000 to 25,000 Dutch who served in the Waffen-SS ?
@wellington-yh8rc
5 жыл бұрын
Wow 10,000 U.S. deserters on the prowl around the Paris area looting and stealing from their own supply convoys etc ...blimey they have kept that quiet all this time , despicable !
@TheFreshman321
5 жыл бұрын
wellington Rick Atkinson mentions this too.
@nilloc93
5 жыл бұрын
clearing the Scheldt was low priority because monty had a few other pointless assaults to make with Canadian troops, and if we had attacked it earlier it wouldn't have been such a slog. But you know its not a real war if the British don't throw away Canadian troops in at least a few unnecessarily difficult assaults.
@nickjung7394
5 жыл бұрын
nilloc93 just an observation. I think you will find that many of the Canadian troops were born in Great Britain.
@panzerraven4135
5 жыл бұрын
On behalf of a Dutchman thank you so much for sharing this. After this The German high command punished the Dutch hard.
@TheImperatorKnight
5 жыл бұрын
No worries, Market Garden is one of my favourite battles, and the causes and effects of it are really interesting. Once day I hope to visit the area.
@oldgitsknowstuff
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, a very informative video. I will show this to friend of mine who's a 97 year old Arnhem veteran who's attending the 75th anniversary at this moment. Respects to them all.
@bittenamehiereinfugen3713
5 жыл бұрын
This division symbols could be a in a card game
@TheImperatorKnight
5 жыл бұрын
You mean like Magic or Pokemon? That's an interesting thought...
@bittenamehiereinfugen3713
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheImperatorKnight I was thinking on something like a quartet. A new Pokemon or magic the gathering would be a bit too much ^^'
@davidolie8392
5 жыл бұрын
I think they look great, but I also think TIK should review his symbol for 1st Canadian Army at 8:54. It appears to show the 1st Canadian Armoured Infantry Division, which didn't exist. Harry Crerar's mug shot is correct.
@ZealotOfSteal
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheImperatorKnight Oh man, imagine a WW2 military tactical card game. Kind of like the tabletop wargames, but with rules abstracted to the level of a card game.
@fulcrum2951
5 жыл бұрын
Go fish
@unofficialfuture3120
5 жыл бұрын
Great video thank you - too often the Hunger Winter is overlooked - some of my cousins were born with holes in their hearts attributed to the malnutrition suffered by their mother as a child during that winter in Amsterdam. Her family survived by eating tulip bulbs. The stakes for a successful outcome of Market Garden were so high for everyone.
@bavtie1
5 жыл бұрын
Thankfully my family either had farmer friends or owned a bakery, so they themselves didn't suffer as much as many others.
@roodborstkalf9664
5 жыл бұрын
It was very bad. In the month of February 1945 around 1500 people died of starvation in the city of The Hague.
@scottytoohotty8510
5 жыл бұрын
The delivery of food to the civilians in Holland began WAYYYY before the timeline you stated TIK, the prince of the Netherlands pleaded with IKE to come to an agreement with the German commander Johannes Blaskowitz, for a ceasefire to allow air drops of food. The USA name of the plan was called ‘operation chowhound’ the Brit’s/Canadians named their half of the operation, which name escapes me right now. However, the Prince of Holland managed to contact both Churchill AND FDR, to get an OK for the operation, and in return, got the cooperation of German forces under the command of Blaskowitz like I said earlier. Now, this occurred DURING HEAVY combat operations, and Blaskowitz agreed to a specific flight path where allied planes were not to be fired upon, as long as the allied food planes remained in this very specific air corridor, they would be safe from German anti aircraft fire, and fighter attacks. And true to his word (Blaskowitz) NO allied planes were lost to enemy fire during this humanitarian operation which delivered AT LEAST 11,000 tons of food. Only 3 planes were lost due to operational accidents..... IN ADDITION, because the air drops were still not sufficient to feed so many people? The Germans also allowed a convoy of 200 allied trucks (lorries) to deliver food behind German lines..... This cooperation from Blaskowitz likely had an effect on his acquittal on all 4 charges after the war at Nuremberg..... however, he committed suicide nonetheless in 1948 by throwing himself off a balcony on the way to the trial. Why he did this? Who knows, like I said, he would go on to be acquitted of the 4 charges in the High Command trial, after his death.....however, I HAVE read that he was possibly implicated in some war crimes, executions, civilian retaliatory measures against partisan attacks on the eastern front earlier in the war, this is likely his rationale for killing himself..... But yeah, I just thought I’d correct your timeline for the famine relief operations in Holland towards the end of the conflict. Other than that? Cheers, all the other info and opinions you presented sounded correct based on my own individual research and knowledge about operation market garden and it’s aftermath. Well done, and keep up the good work TIK! Cheers!
@dermotrooney9584
5 жыл бұрын
Nice one. Thanks for sharing. 👍
@Tuning3434
5 жыл бұрын
@Scott Natale I think you're searching for the name of operation Manna? Perfect name, in my opinion as they really where a godsend for the people living in the large cities of North and South-Holland. The area's more in the east / north had distinct advantage as being surrounded by more rural area's.
@fuzzydunlop7928
5 жыл бұрын
Blaskowitz is such an interesting figure - I wish he wrote a memoir before he offed himself.... or a fucking suicide note so we'd know why he did it. He's probably my 'favorite' German officer of the war, just because he disproves the lame "if I opposed the Nazis I would've been killed!" excuse many German officers used after the war - Blaskowitz opposed the Nazis directly several times.
@fuzzydunlop7928
5 жыл бұрын
@емза братот "most" - nein
@TheBlackbrrd
5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. I have heard a lot about Market Garden, but very little about what happened afterwards, so this video was really interesting.
@avnrulz8587
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. One 'pick'; the U.S. flag you're using has 50 stars; it should only have 48, as the 50 star flag was adopted after the 1960 election.
@TheImperatorKnight
5 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you! I would never have realised that, so thanks for pointing it out
@bigapplebucky
5 жыл бұрын
48 stars is correct for 1944 and up until July 4, 1959 when a star for Alaska was added. (49 stars) Another star was added July 4, 1960 recognizing the statehood of Hawaii. Alaska became a state Jan 3, 1959 and Hawaii August 21, 1959. Nothing to do with the 1960 election. I had to look up the exact dates, but recalled 50 states having been achieved before the 1960 election. Very interesting video. Thanks. My father in law was Dutch and served in the Dutch merchant marine. Was in at least one convoy to Murmansk. He wound up working for the New York Dutch Naval attache's office. His relatives were very bitter about the Nazis when I met some of them as late as the 1970's.
@Ensign_Nemo
5 жыл бұрын
The 49 star flag - 7x7 stars - was used for only one year. A few Hawaiians fly it as a cheeky way to thumb their nose at the other 49 states. BTW, that's why the old TV series (and the recent remake) "Hawaii Five-O" got their name - Hawaii was the 50th state to be admitted to the Union.
@lovablesnowman
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheImperatorKnight literally unwatchable
@WhiteCamry
5 жыл бұрын
The 50-star flag was formally adopted July 4, 1960. The election was November 8, 1960
@tommelrose77
5 жыл бұрын
There is a few bits I'd add. Digby Tatham -Water was my great uncle and part of the story is that whilst he was waiting to organise the escape he was going around with a local and pretended to be defe and dum!
@BoerChris
5 жыл бұрын
Very well presented and thought-provoking video. Thank you.
@danielkelly1335
5 жыл бұрын
Could you make a video about the German panzerturm or tank turrets that were used as static emplacements in the Atlantic wall and on the eastern front thanks its one of those topics that very few information is available online
@MrHSwager
5 жыл бұрын
How long did the Germans hold Dunkirk in 1944? Is there a lot written about it?
@fulcrum2951
5 жыл бұрын
The irony
@1996koke
5 жыл бұрын
As far as I know, Hitler ordered his troops to stay in their "fortress" to force the allies into a bloody and long battle however the allies were not interested so they let some troops in a siege
@scottperry7311
3 жыл бұрын
It held out until the end of the war. The Germans had a significant forces in Dunkirk and were able to even counter attack the allies there late in the war. Check out Operation Blulcher: The Last German Attack in France, April 1945 kzitem.info/news/bejne/p46nzWFskn2GaoY
@MrHSwager
3 жыл бұрын
@@scottperry7311 That is fascinating, thank you for the info
@lyndoncmp5751
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine trying to get across the southern Netherlands later on in worse weather and with tougher German defences. Market Garden got to Nijmegen (where the British and Canadian advance into Germany in 1945 kicked off from) in less than 3 days. I suspect it would have taken far longer and with considerable killed and wounded in, say, November.
@nickdanger3802
2 жыл бұрын
10.26 'fortress' garrisons in the ports meant supplies had to be driven by truck from the Normandy beaches. Red Ball Express
@jefaus06
5 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see TIK cover the Battles surrounding the capture of Walcheren Island.
@frodonifinger2628
5 жыл бұрын
I have been waiting on a chance to discuss Market Garden with you! Because you are wrong! Even Beevor misses it, disliking Montgommery. But he actually touches the reason in his book "Battle for Normandy" During the Normandy campaign Montgommery gets a lot of stick from the americans in particular for pussyfooting during the battle for Caen. To be fair the Brits saw the brunt of the german forces, as they were seen as the biggest danger, mainly as if Caen was taken, the road would be more or less open to Paris. And due to the fact that the americans was unexperienced and bogged down in the boccage in the Cotentan peninsula. The main reason for this pussyfooting was the simpe fact, that Montgommery was under direct order by Churchill not to bleed his troops, as he (Churchill) expected that western forces would have to fight Sovjet later on, and if Britain bleed to many troops, it would loose influence. This orders went well with Montgommery as he pr nature was a causious and meticulous planner. He was also known as a stickler for detail and once a plan was laid, he would stick to it come hell or high water. So why did he propose Market Garden? It was so unlike him at all. We know, he preferred a narrow front to the North, as he had put that idea forward more than once, but to propose an hugely ambitious plan with only a week to plan and execute it. That is so beyond his thinking! Many does claim, it was because he wanted to cross the Rhine before Patton, them having a race for glory. I have never seen anything stating that Montgommery was compeeting with Patton! In fact it was Patton compeeting with Montgommery. He was the one hating Montgommerys guts. Montgommery was obliviant to other generals being an arrogant ass as allways. You claim it was to incircle the german 15th army. I state, that you are all wrong on this! The reason for the rushed planning of Market Garden and the dismissal of going for the Shelte Estuary to free up Antwerp port was yet again .... CHURCHILL. This time is was not an order to perserve troops. The reason was the V2 Rocket! Germany had started launching V2 rockets by the 7th of september and by the 9th London was under V2 attack. Churchill did his most to keep the truth from his citizens, as he feared a public panic. The explosions was called gas pipe explosions. Very soon londoners called the V2's flying gas pipes. Churchill needed these attacks to stop here and now. Thus Montgommery was ordered to take the lauch sites in the area below Südersee in order to puch the V2's out of reach of London. This is why the planning was rushed, this is why they were so keen, that they disregarded dutch resistance reports of armor in the area. Montgommery was ordered to do so, to stop the Rockets hitting London. Hence the Early start at 17th of september. Churchilll suppressed the knowlegde of V2 Rocket attacks until 10 of october, as Hitler had announced their use on the 8th.
@frodonifinger2628
5 жыл бұрын
John Cornell If I remember correctly, this report caused Monty to suggest a different plan with some elements of the Market Garden operation but nowhere as ambitious. Eisenhover was dismissive of that proposal. Market Garden was rushed through after the 10th. I am sure, Eisenhower was informed of the urgency to stop the V2s both for the English fear of widespread panic and the direct threat to his supply bases in southern England. For no other reason would they have pressed home such ambitious operation in just 7 days. The reason why this never went public was first the absolute need for keeping the V2s from the public, and then later it would be demoralising to tell the public, that they failed in that particular objective. Later again there was no need to try to alter history. Any larger operation took either weeks after weeks or even months to put in place. But this was after only 7 days, and suggested and planned by a general that never would allow him self to gamble this hard. Only dire need can explain the rush, and the dire need was the V2 rocket launches.
@cassandrab4080
5 жыл бұрын
Frodo Nifinger: You're quite right that Monty entered Normandy with a mandate to conserve British manpower. Unable to capture Caen in the first day or two post invasion, he found himself facing the bulk of German forces, particularly panzer units. Monty would have been justified to conserve British manpower by shifting to a defensive strategy in the east. He could pin down the German units facing him, minimize casualties, while reducing pressure on American units in the west. Instead, Monty adopted a strategy of methodical direct assault across the city in a grueling house to house campaign -- thereby suffering over 50,500 Commonwealth casualties. It was a price Britain could not afford to pay. Caen exhausted British reserves. After that, replacements could only come from dismantling and combining existing units. Virtually all V-1's and V-2's were launched from the French coast. Rocket suppression might justify priority for a northern thrust, especially one that cleared the Scheldt. Market Garden wouldn't have a direct impact on the rocket campaign.
@frodonifinger2628
5 жыл бұрын
Cassandra B The V2 rocket first became operationel by 7th. of september 1944. By that time the French West coast was In Allied hands except for garrisons at major ports. V2 rocket was launched from mobile platforms in woods in the area south of Südersee and north of the Shelte estuary. Occupation of that area would push the V2 out of operational reach from both the staging area in southern England and London.
@Rusty_Gold85
5 жыл бұрын
The Canadians got a lot of troops shot up outside Caen versing SS Troops in the wet fields . I only just realised a while ago the US Landings at Normandy inevitably allowed a large sweeping movement across France which includes the Liberation of Paris .How fortunate ? A huge show in front of cameras opportunity . As it was there was a tussle who was to enter first , who paraded down the The Avenue des Champs-Élysées in front of the world
@cassandrab4080
5 жыл бұрын
@@frodonifinger2628 Precisely! Stopping V-2 launches would require an attack to the northwest, north of the Scheldt, not northeast toward Arnhem. It would require elimination of the German 15th Army, which defended the Scheldt and northwest Netherlands (Holland). Even after the capture of Nijmegen (20 Sept 1944), Breda (29 Oct) and Walcheren Island (6 Nov), clearing the area around Hague / Rotterdam was never really attempted.
@derekpara
5 жыл бұрын
My recently deceased friend served as a sapper in 1st SAS and told me whilst we were in Arnhem that he and three or four others had joined the Americans and dropped just outside Nijmegen to assist in removing demolitions on the bridge. He could name all the other sappers and recounted his actions with clarity I can find no official record of SAS involvement.
@callaertserik1578
4 жыл бұрын
@Cloud Burst 117 It was the Belgian SAS who was in the Arnhem area as pre-Ops-recon for the operation Market. All revealed in the book "Belgian SAS at Arnhem". arjanatwork3@gmail.com
@lufasumafalu5069
Жыл бұрын
lol what a crock of lies
@steveschlickman1
2 жыл бұрын
I just watched this video with the intent of finding context for a memoir I am reading written by a member of A Company of the 506th regiment of the 101st Airborne Division, Private Donald R. Burgett. He jumped into Normandy and survived as an active member of the 101st through to the end of the war. His account of A Company's experience on the Island post Market Garden was complementary to the Band of Brothers Easy Company story but different and more harrowing. Your video, concentrates on the eastern end of the Island and does not fully address their defense of the western end around Opheusden against the entire 363d Volksgrenadier Division. So I recommend Burgett's memoir, which I have in three short volumes, Currahee, The Road to Arnhem and Seven Roads to Hell. I believe the memoir was originally published in the 60s and proclaims Burgett as the first enlisted man to write a history of the American Airborne. I am finding Burgett's memoir as riveting as Ambrose's Band of Brothers and related publications that added to Easy Company's history.
@davemac1197
Жыл бұрын
I also have his Arnhem and Bastogne volumes and found Don Burgett a reliable witness to events he was involved in, and I would say it's more reliable than some of Ambrose's work. Episode 4: Replacements of Band of Brothers is somewhat compromised in conflating two different actions at Opwetten and Nuenen into one battle. Episode 5: Crossroads is much better, thanks to Winters' detailed account of the 5 October action practically writing the script for them. My own research into the German units involved was greatly helped by his testimony that clearly shows he knows the difference between a Tiger II and a Panther tank when he sees them (they have very similar profiles), and helped identify the German units, because he described a "Royal Tiger" leading a column of Panthers at Opheusden. This also lent credibility to his later account of meeting a Tiger II face to face at Noville near Bastogne, when most historians doubt the vehicles were even used in the sector. Evidence the schwere Panzer-Abteilung 506 were in the Bastogne area are substantiated by a Tiger I wreck outside the town that had belonged to Panzer Kompanie 'Hummel' at Arnhem and then subsequently incorporated into s.Pz.Abt.506 as their 4.Kompanie for the Ardennes offensive, so I have no doubt Don was on the money. The Germans apparently used this tactic of having the heavy Tigers spearhead attacks by columns of divisional medium tanks on more than one occasion and this happened near Arnhem in support of the October 1944 attack by 363.Volksgrenadier-Division as well as the first attacks and by-passing of Bastogne at Noville in December by 2.Panzer-Division. There's also a video on KZitem of Don travelling to the Nijmegen 'island' with author Mark Bando to locate the famous orchard rest area in which Don participated in the battle with a battalion of 363.VGD that had penetrated the American lines and established a position nearby, so I'm across most of the locations described in Don's books and the Easy Company stories as well.
@norrinradd3549
3 жыл бұрын
At 2:40, I have to agree with you, because I do like a good rump too, but I prefer mine bouncing up and down vigorously........... And I prefer Fillet steak, to eat, but that doesn’t mean that I haven’t bitten the odd juicy rump, when she wants that, that is............ ;)
@MichaeloApC
5 жыл бұрын
Pretty unknown part of history. Great vid!
@TheImperatorKnight
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, a lot of the Market Garden books don't really mention it, and the details are sparse. It's a shame.
@Endremael
4 жыл бұрын
Western front is always always a major success with no drawbacks whatsoever in those books. Wonder why, hmm
@nickdanger3802
2 жыл бұрын
Missing Jerrie cans As I understand it. The US made little effort to collect and return empty cans for reuse.
@casparcoaster1936
3 жыл бұрын
this is such good shit, I watch all the WW2 docus, this is the most intellectural and historical stimulation, many tanx!!!!
@martinsparks7860
5 жыл бұрын
Hello tik . I was wondering if you may be able to point me in the right direction on some research . My grandads brother was in the oxford and Buckinghamshire regiment and was in the first air drop of Parachuter's that came in an hour after the gliders landed at what is now known as Pegasus bridge . he died there and we thought for years he had died almost immediately on landing . it was only many years later , when my grandad went to France on one of the d-day anniversary's to find his head stone , did we find out he died on d-day + 9 and from speaking to a veteran who was there and knew Stanley , that they had been repulsing a German armoured assault on the right of the bridge when a stug assault gun crashed though a bush on the road where he and a friend where sat in a fox hole , turned towards them and blew them both up . I want to know more about what the paras did after the orne bridge when fighting purely as infantry . Thanks for your efforts and please concentrate on ww2 , it is the biggest event in human history after all . Martin
@davidolie8392
5 жыл бұрын
Great job on this. When I read or hear the value of Market Garden questioned, part of my answer is that at least it spared the southern Netherlands from the Hunger Winter.
@michaelmccabe3079
5 жыл бұрын
This was pretty dark. The retaliation against the Dutch civilians was just like how the Germans treated the Slavs in Eastern Europe.
@jussim.konttinen4981
5 жыл бұрын
Bad lottery ticket due to geography. In remote areas, people were able to flee the battle or the authorities evacuated them.
@fulcrum2951
5 жыл бұрын
Definitely, in the east the population fared worst considering its basically a war of annihilation there
@davidtuttle7556
5 жыл бұрын
@@Schmusekatze42 you might want to read about the Hunger Winter. Tens of thousands and perhaps a hundred thousand dutch died of starvation.
@jussim.konttinen4981
5 жыл бұрын
The Germans took some 260 civilians as hostages in Finnish Lapland, but they later released the prisoners unharmed. Although the Germans' delaying scorched earth and land mine strategies devastated Finnish Lapland, military impacts were relatively limited. Interestingly, at that time, it was said that the Sami people had Asian blood. Recent genetic studies have indicated that the "Nganassan" autosomic component now makes up more than 25% in the Sami.
@jemoeder51
5 жыл бұрын
The are alot of stories of American soldiers looting civilian houses in Belgium and The Netherlands
@Othello484
5 жыл бұрын
Great job. I'm going to check to see if any got charged for starving the Dutch. Super evil.
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