*y u p* (i said that because big head nana said it)
@lukethekuya
11 ай бұрын
cacaGODS won
@markg2142
7 ай бұрын
the level 9 bots are essentially frame perfect 9 year olds
@kh6853
3 ай бұрын
That is an amazing description of them
@MisterZebra42
Жыл бұрын
I learned more about Nana from this 5 minute video than I have in 8 years of watching Melee
@_Majunior
Жыл бұрын
Fiction has a really good video on her if you're ever curious. Unlike most of his educational content, it's really well edited and has nice illustrations to go along with it.
@michaelfradley6950
Жыл бұрын
Tbf most melee commentators would be 2 games through a bo5 by the time they were through saying all this, and that’s assuming they can project these helpful visuals directly into your brain to speed up the data transfer
@_Majunior
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelfradley6950 never mind the fact that most make commentators don't even know this stuff. I always end up muting the commentary when IC are on the screen because they just share misinformation or assume things that are wrong. I'm not blaming them for not knowing but it's pretty annoying when they try to act like it.
@Mrfinch9999
Жыл бұрын
You should try playing it too. Melee is much more fun to play.
@nathandude100
Жыл бұрын
Same
@turndownforwalt
Жыл бұрын
Love how you blended your current design work/colors with these explanations. Great work as usual!
@thepengyknight
2 ай бұрын
yooo it’s walt
@Riasiru
Жыл бұрын
Nana grabs you by the throat, smacks you once, and whispers softly in your ear, "Tonight. You," just before she vanishes in a puff of smoke... Truly terrifying.
@lasercraft32
5 ай бұрын
I would never sleep again.
@Alfenium
19 күн бұрын
She is going to administer some correction 💢💢!!
@winkone101
Жыл бұрын
My heart breaks for HBox. Basically the Melee equivalent of "no one wanted to be my partner, so I had to partner with the teacher".
@wolizuka
Жыл бұрын
HBox would be more the type of guy to chose to team up with a CPU rather than with a mid to high level player. I'm sure dozens of people would have been happy to team with him cause he's good at the game and famous
@PhrozenFox
Жыл бұрын
@@wolizuka He's also just a genuinely cool and good-hearted person in a sea of controller smashers and shit talkers.
@leaffinite2001
Жыл бұрын
@PhrozenFox guy who just watched the emplemon doc says what?
@bumpersincapped
Жыл бұрын
@@PhrozenFoxbro fainted on stream after a popoff
@musicaldoge9412
11 ай бұрын
what
@B-R23
Жыл бұрын
dude you are so good at editing
@EliTheGleason
Жыл бұрын
High level stuff
@xzxx1xzx
Жыл бұрын
Sluuuuurp
@frigginmanatees8616
Жыл бұрын
Actually though, the silhouettes and the nana mlem were distractingly good
@mijhaelandressamaniegomuno28
Жыл бұрын
So true, and it goes to the dumpster doing melee videos lol
@xzxx1xzx
Жыл бұрын
@@mijhaelandressamaniegomuno28 so true
@vocel343
Жыл бұрын
Nana really grabbed this man, looked him in the eyes and said: "This ain't over. Imma kill you in my next life." And then disappeared Striking fear into the heart of Zain.
@elbarnes
Жыл бұрын
I love how, with Zain being so shook from the grab and it getting cut short, it seems like the only thing that prevented Nana from continuing to be a menace is the respawn she goes through where she’s forced to blip out of existence mid-attack to return to popo
@andredominguez3199
3 ай бұрын
So you're telling me that Nana alone solos the entirety of the Smash Gods?
@herobrineharry7698
Жыл бұрын
3:11 I would be really interested to see if changing this (having Nana at level 9 always being the obvious) would meaningfully change how people have to deal with ice climbers
@megapussi
Жыл бұрын
It would probably make it a little bit harder to get low% kills on nana, which could end up being relevant considering that killing nana quickly is a really effective strategy to beat icies for most of the cast
@hadesthegod9181
Жыл бұрын
That’s what I’m thinking. Or at least have it be every 10%. As it is, you’re rarely going to get a Nana that grabs (120%+)
@bastian_5975
Жыл бұрын
two other little tweaks could be to change the follow target for nana to the enemy if popo was in a screen/star KO, and changing the pathfinding AI so that Nana will slightly prioritize paths that get within range of the enemy so that she will attack a bit more often. Edit: I reread this while watching a video of Baba is You, and I thought I was talking about characters from that game and got very confused
@stephendonovan9084
Жыл бұрын
@@bastian_5975When the Popo be above 120%: Nana Is Grab
@Buglin_Burger7878
Жыл бұрын
Yes because getting them split suddenly makes it 2v1 and level 9 AIs are effective in duos.
@ashequestionmark
Жыл бұрын
Every single day I miss SluG :(
@oatmeal2goskits492
Жыл бұрын
me too buddy
@Kitth3n
Жыл бұрын
What happened to Slug?
@ashequestionmark
Жыл бұрын
@@Kitth3n retired/is taking a break last I heard
@kardar233
Жыл бұрын
I hope MOF is on the come up after that huge 3-0 on jmook
@TheRealBlazingDiamond
Жыл бұрын
@@ashequestionmarkOh, is that all? Good for him then, he's touching grass :)
@matthewwojtechko1946
Жыл бұрын
As a kid playing Melee, observing the CPU’s behavior was always intriguing. Fascinating deep dive here!
@ClassicBentobox
Жыл бұрын
What an amazing video. This community sure blows me away sometimes. Very lucky to have creators like you.
@colewarnock8694
Жыл бұрын
you prolly already know him but asum saus is very similar and i think this guy definitely takes inspiration from him
@halofactorymoon
Жыл бұрын
Its cool to see a video visualising the attack sensor ranges! I recently reverse engineered these tables in Smash 64 in order to improve Smash Remix’s AI for their new fighters. I wonder how the tables differ between games.
@donnyf88
Жыл бұрын
After years of melee.. I never knew the CPU of Nana..very well done and graphic wise.
@CrispyGFX
6 ай бұрын
Nana doing what is effectively a pump fake before dematerializing is the most menacing thing I've ever seen in this game.
@shuraizo2877
Жыл бұрын
Great video, editting and explanation, very clear and understandable! Also, I'm glad the music volume is on the same level as your narration, so I don't have to change it every segment of the video
@cseager3239
Жыл бұрын
I remember being a kid and knowing that lvl 9 Gannondorf was like the final boss of melee. I never knew until today that professional melee players utilize that as well. I must have played so much as a kid I just intuitively knew that like that was just a far more challenging character to play against.
@EmptyZoo393
8 күн бұрын
It's kind of funny to me to see Gannondorf being picked as a companion given how low tier he's considered competitively. I guess he works better in a support role?
@theradman9478
Жыл бұрын
Great upload, stellar editing. Actually useful and fun information.
@lucasmaciel3850
Жыл бұрын
I was listening to a vulfpeck playlist when I clicked on this video. It took me a while to realize that it was also the bgm for the video and not my music app playing over the video lmao
@erikdoer
Жыл бұрын
When the title hit and you cranked up Hero Town I already knew this was gonna be a banger. How/when do you decide on the song for each video? Your one on the Jmook recovery was so integrated I couldn't figure out which came first. This is easily the highest effort per-second Smash content currently being made.
@Blundabus1337
Жыл бұрын
nana when popo is at 0%: mmm crayons nana when popo is at 140%: SO THOU HAS CHOSEN DEATH
@k_k_aisa
Жыл бұрын
Videos like this are part of what makes Melee special.
@comfy39
Жыл бұрын
Not a melee guy, but the great editing, concise explanations, and good tunes means I spent the last half hour watching every video you have uploaded. Keep it up :)
@P-MK
6 ай бұрын
Found ya from the GDIME #7 shoutout! Had to browse through a lot of comments to reach your channel but MAN it was worth it, these visuals are so good!! p.s., The prints are really pretty and unique and there's even a hint of inspiration from the main man himself in there! Love to see it :D
@CheeTheOG
Жыл бұрын
Very informative on how Nana's AI works didn't know that she increased her level by the amount of percentage Popo has I also miss Slug :(
@forestskilbred9461
Жыл бұрын
The editing was so good here, awesome job and great video
@DaCompachuy
Жыл бұрын
I usually practice with son lvl 9 cpus (samus main) and sometimes i do a swd a they grab me out of it perfectly
@BrandonNop-r7l
7 ай бұрын
I can’t believe nana is rarely going to be able to grab, she legit going to stay around 1-5.
@Duffy_SSBM
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely loving your stuff. The art is sick but I wish there were higher res/more zoomed in images! I want to see what the Melee is hard poster says for example
@MeleeMoments
Жыл бұрын
good point, i’m realizing there’s not really a central place to find full-res images of the art. i’m going to look into putting those on the website, in the meantime if you go back a few months on my twitter media tab you can see them that way. the melee is hard one was posted on may 17th
@Duffy_SSBM
Жыл бұрын
@@MeleeMoments awesome, thanks for the reply!
@maxenswlfr1877
Жыл бұрын
I remember playing against level 9s when I was a kid with no friends I still have no friends but I can beat level 9 CPUS easily now
@Recarsonated
7 ай бұрын
Also when trying to beat the AI in singleplayer like classic mode you would be suprised how often the AI can pull off certain bullshit things They will very often do meteor cancels, do the safest moves at close range, and if an item like a heart container or a pokeball spawns a mile away off screen, they will casually stroll on over there to pick it up as if you weren’t fighting them anymore 😂 They can do all that but they still don’t even know how to DI and can easily be chaingrabbed which is super funny to me
@Topaz-zk4zk
8 ай бұрын
Does Nana's dynamic AI carry over to Brawl and Ultimate? Surely they are tweaks, so if so, what are they?
@quirkyqwertyto1055
Ай бұрын
I would really love a video on the subject, just a comprehensive rundown of nana's evolution throughout the games
@alexlowe2054
8 ай бұрын
1:46 This might have been the best single joke I've seen all month. Excellent pacing and style.
@nya69
Жыл бұрын
its so insane how much they gutted nanas ai in ult, just get to popo by any means necessary usually straight into the opponent with no attack or airdodging to ledge as u try to upb to save her..
@KopperNeoman
8 ай бұрын
Probably because Ultimate's AI is smart enough that slipping Nana out of follow state would actually HELP the IC player rather than screwing him over.
@hadesthegod9181
Жыл бұрын
Amazing video. I think we’re all in agreement: Why didn’t any of us know this sooner? I’ve been picking up esoteric Melee knowledge from KZitem and forums for 10 years, and I never knew any of this.
@zyst6
Жыл бұрын
This is the best explanation of IC mechanics I've ever seen. Great job! Really love your videos
@ARavingLobster
Жыл бұрын
Bro I swear every video you just get better and better, keep it up! :D
@Dabrebro
Жыл бұрын
Good choice with the Vulfpeck! Love the visuals, editing and sound mixing, good work!
@Sly88Frye
Жыл бұрын
Melee CPUs are so easy though. The CPU got more difficult with every Smash release. Hm. I wonder if what you described about Gannondorf had to do with an incredibly annoying thing I was dealing with at a local Brawl tourney back in 2010 or whatever. The annoyance I was dealing with was that someone put a level 9 Gannondorf in as one of the tournament participants which doesn't make sense because the CPU should lose to just about every human player in the tourney, however there were some less than competent players in the tourney so he got a few wins, but what was annoying was that there was someone at the damn tourney who would not stop shouting "LEVEL 9 GANNON!" He shouted that all the time and just would not stop. It was so annoying! I remember that idiot explaining why the level 9 CPU and mentioned some lore thing I don't remember because all I can remember from him is how annoying he was at shouting "LEVEL 9 GANNON" constantly.
@Johnny_Duster
9 ай бұрын
Still not as crazy as the ultimate CPU’s at level 9 they always tech and somehow they dash dance even though dash dancing isn’t in the game
@tacolordc
Жыл бұрын
The fact that SluG disappeared from the community almost immediately after becoming a top dog is quite funny to me.
@danede3635
Жыл бұрын
I sometimes wonder if ai works like it's always scanning the situation constantly pressing moves. The level tells it whether to actually input the attack
@emmbeesea
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely delightful and insightful. Can't wait for the next one!
@The23rdGamer
Жыл бұрын
I don't watch much smash at all, but this was excellent presentation! I may have to check out more from your channel.
@Doggowithasubmarine
Жыл бұрын
Anyone got a link to the 2v2 where Hungrybox is playing with a lv9 ganon?
@lucianpayne5158
8 ай бұрын
love the song choice! I never thought I’d hear this in the background of a video, I thought it’d be too distracting, but you just happen to be an excellent visual storyteller. awesome!
@davidvkimball
Жыл бұрын
One of the best Melee videos I've seen in a while. Great job.
@notwhoyouare1543
Жыл бұрын
you always deliver with some sick shit brodi, big ups.
@froG_SSBM
Жыл бұрын
man, I miss slug
@MeatKisser
Жыл бұрын
Pfft Melee AI ain't even that broken. I can at least 2 stock a level 7 CPU pretty convincingly
@basicdamine
Жыл бұрын
Nana: "Imma about to ends this whole man's career"
@TheRealBrandonPerna
Жыл бұрын
First video of yours I’ve seen and I’m excited to see more. Great stuff man, this was super interesting and well made
@archonicmakes
Жыл бұрын
these videos explain things well and are impeccably edited. keep it up dude! :)
@EliTheGleason
Жыл бұрын
Nana being essentially half a cpu until popo is on life support is the most melee bs ever god bless 😂
@HarmonicVector
Жыл бұрын
"Nana will always recover towards Randall." All hail the AI Overlord, Randall!
@PrismsDesign
Жыл бұрын
Wow, this was such an incredible video. I learned so much here. Amazing stuff man, criminally underrated
@yousseftamer4943
Жыл бұрын
Holy… I didn’t expect Nana of all characters to be so goddamn BROKEN
@NeoGames2
Жыл бұрын
"Melee's AI is broken" What isn't broken in this rushed out glitchy shitfest of a """""""competitive"""""" game?
@scala_xl
Жыл бұрын
The graphic design on these transitions are top-notch 💯
@gbowers123
Жыл бұрын
Welcome back. My favourite Melee channel on KZitem.
@Claptain_Planet
Жыл бұрын
This would be a cool mode in slippi. 2v2 match making you pick your player and teammate
@sagacious03
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting analysis video! Thanks for uploading! I didn't know about a lot of this level moves stuff, & would love to hear more!
@MrSlowpez10
Жыл бұрын
So much good info presented so well. Idk how you do it, but it must take so much work
@slideguitarclem
Жыл бұрын
Thumbs UP for vulfpeck
@hyronharrison8127
Жыл бұрын
Dude we talk all de time about marths grab but gannons special up is a black hole....he canswitch directions and pull you in from miles away teleporting to your location
@Bluzlbee
Жыл бұрын
back when I had no one to verse and started my anime arc for getting good at fighting games, every day after school, after homework, I booted the gamecube and fought level 9 computers on final destination
@The_Tsukuyomi
4 ай бұрын
Had no idea the cloud was named Randall
@Wolfboy607
2 ай бұрын
holy shit, when me and the boys were kids, we would 1v3 the level 9, HANDICAP 9 coms. It was insane. We made it a game, we started at mario, beat him on every level like that, then moved on. Some smash moves have retained the names we gave them in fear as children. Gannon was one of the first true monsters we ran into. He would nail you with the "chicken wing" from out of nowhere and send you packing at like 40%. Holy fuck i miss melee handicap just being a giga-roids buff. In brawl and later, instead of it being a buff, now the handicap applies to yourself, and all it does is increase your starting percentage.
@wiffmastermase
2 ай бұрын
I just got back into the game and assuming I could take on lvl 9 AI 1v1 since I used to 3v1 in my teenage years; nope. Fox slapped me around and edge blocked me like he wasn't even a human. I got alot of practice to do
@bryce_in_bloom3592
Жыл бұрын
Subscribing because of quality, but I'm telling my friends it was Vulfpeck.
@Elijah668
Жыл бұрын
Wait a minute, were you the guy who helped make the Flash melee training game?
@NonisLuck
Жыл бұрын
I mean, almost of all of Melee is broken 😂 I always assumed the AI was as well
@CelticVampireQueen
6 ай бұрын
Everything in old smash bros games is broken it seems. Well isn't that so obvious, they're like how old now?
@BlobstoF
Жыл бұрын
That was. SPECTACULAR. I'm subbing right now
@subtitle420
19 күн бұрын
Today i was practicing my marth against a level 9 fox on battlefield and the amount of multishines i witnessed left me speechless
@YoshiFan1995
Жыл бұрын
I’ve had many matches where the CPU is absolutely destroying me just to lose by failing a recovery from a situation where they should make it like I was fighting this Luigi CPU were he would use side B instead of up B and he kept doing side B until his death
@Shino12567
Жыл бұрын
Hey do you have like a "buy a coffee" link I can use? I dont want a print or sticker but still wanna support
@Sagi.Baten.Kaitos
Жыл бұрын
>Vulfpeck music I can already tell I'm gonna like this video
@irishgoodbye518
Жыл бұрын
Everyone loves Randall
@therealwhite
7 ай бұрын
Dude starts out with Hero Town in the background you know I'm gonna give a like
@TheDuckChris
Жыл бұрын
Wow a new greatest youtube video of all time thats nuts
@diegodankquixote-wry3242
Жыл бұрын
Cursed Mandela counterpart version of Anubis Strategy!
@thegoodgeneral
Жыл бұрын
AsumSaus level of work while not at all being derivative. Excellently done, I'm subscribing.
@whydoyougottahavthis
Жыл бұрын
Lmfao wear masks but shake hands, rules always flow from wisdom don't they?
@sarasaland4709
Жыл бұрын
Odd how the Ai In Melee ranges from stupid to psychic.
@jingles5661
Жыл бұрын
your videos remind me of the black ops 4 classified intro :P
@lboy9889
Жыл бұрын
Smash x Vulf is the crossover I've always wanted
@Sugar3Glider
Жыл бұрын
Ooo, this was **exceptionally** informative
@momorinn9
Жыл бұрын
Thought this would be about aerial interrupt before watching the video lol
@RealChaseman17
11 ай бұрын
That was cool
@worndoubloon1175
Жыл бұрын
Imagine someone goes into a tournament with a lv8 cpu just to mess with the competition.
@RamadaArtist
10 ай бұрын
The rapid short range attacking and frame-perfect inputs that lvl 9 AIs are capable of means that they tend to be much harder to fight if you use the strategies you would against a top level player, instead of simply exploiting how dumb they are about navigating the space. Peach in particular can be absolutely brutal and pull off 50% combos with alarming speed if you try and rush into her face and get really aggressive. (Which was very useful for trying to figure out strategies with Roy that actually help his approach. For one, dashing into a side-B is infinitely safer than his standard dash attack, because the dash attack has a very short window for it's hitbox, and Roy's own hurtbox extends past the attack distance, meaning if you try to use it for approach he'll usually whiff AND run into an attack. Dashing side-b immediately halts his momentum and is a good opener for his combos; dashing side-b to grab to back throw to side smash is highly effective against the space animals. The terrible range and low knockback on his dash attack actually makes it much better as a mid-combo move than an approach.)
@Farrise
Жыл бұрын
Ganondorf AI goes hard 😂
@oatmeal2goskits492
Жыл бұрын
I main ice climbers and didn't know half the stuff in this video
@TeddyBH20
Жыл бұрын
This is not really AI but amazing video nonetheless
@joeldixton5627
Жыл бұрын
Oooh that melee is not hard graphic was you?? Such a cool piece
@gunrugger
Жыл бұрын
Love the use of vulfpeck can I get a link to your spotify?
@vipermoon_
8 ай бұрын
Now I finally know how the CPUs work, thank you!
@MarMaxGaming
Жыл бұрын
This 5 min video must’ve taken at least 10 hours… great job!
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