These traditional kata are good to be able to reference.
@Clarity2020Australia
3 ай бұрын
nice connected movement sensei
@lancejackson9108
3 ай бұрын
These are not counters in the combat sense. They are different sections of the same overall form. Think of the Hombu syllabus as being a list of smaller sections or aspects, of larger overall spherical forms. Here we see the movement patterns which are called shihonage and iriminage in the syllabus. These two patterns are simply aspects of a larger, overall shape, the dynamic sphere, has been a useful description for this. O Sensei referred to these movements also as simply these different aspects of Yin and Yang. A complete and dynamic unity. Aikido techniques (like those in other art forms) are merely a set of possible sculptures within this overall unity. Kaeshi waza demonstrates beautifully, how the unity looks when more than one section of it is represented. The video shows only two movements in the 'continuous training exercise', as the instructor is demonstrating with his student. But between students you can keep going.
@dunkenFrancis
3 ай бұрын
old school i know but i hope at least a few people find these interesting, as not often seen nowadays
@ddturnerphd
3 ай бұрын
A bit like seeing the hubud used in Arnis and extrapolating the ineffectiveness of the Filipino martial art from that flow drill. I agree that the practicality of such counters is extremely niche. However, as an abstract of controlled circumstances, learning to initiate a technique from a potential position of disadvantage is very useful when learning. Others have pointed out how newaza flow drills are incorporated in BJJ, especially those that return to the same position or reverse the roles of the pair and occupy limited floor space.
@AIKIDOSILVERDALE
3 ай бұрын
good comparison. it's a bit of fun really but for us just and extension of our other sensitivity drills, learning to 'feel whats there"
@ddturnerphd
3 ай бұрын
@AIKIDOSILVERDALE Drills that get you out of consciously processing the application of the technique and into feeling through the underlying principle are invaluable, as subconscious actions are faster; yet more nuanced than reflexive responses.
@lancejackson9108
3 ай бұрын
Practicality is irrelevant here. This practice is more about directly experiencing how movement produces stillness, while stillness produces movement; behind the visible lies the hidden, from the hidden emerges the visible. Every technique has its other side. Kaeshi practice is more concerned with aligning ones mind and body with the yin yang sections of the Tao, and trying to do this in tandem with another person who is also practicing to be able to achieve this also, from 'the other side'. of the sphere The practice is wonderful and invigorating. It is creative and beautiful. Its great for fitness, stamina, and can be lots of fun.
@nikosskeptikos6295
3 ай бұрын
@@lancejackson9108 couldnt agree more, especially about it being enjoyable! An aspect so often neglected!
@JustSomeGuy69420
3 ай бұрын
Very useful for when people try to do shihonage on me. Happens all the time.
@AIKIDOSILVERDALE
3 ай бұрын
Yeah these things are fun to play with in training from a movement POV but very little practical use tbh
@BoomBoomDeluxe
3 ай бұрын
i really like the push through one on people "getting too enthusiastic" LOL
@RetrogasmicPodcast
3 ай бұрын
the counter from the counter brings you back to where you started too
@RetrogasmicPodcast
3 ай бұрын
👍🏻
@regmullett4899
3 ай бұрын
This was a while ago? 2007?
@rickdangerfield1183
3 ай бұрын
twisty
@SherrickDuncan
3 ай бұрын
I feel like the founder of Aikido was trolling all of his students and the entire World with this stuff.
@AIKIDOSILVERDALE
3 ай бұрын
Again, it's a case of context. no one in their right mind would think that this is anything other than a drill for sensitivity and blending with movement, similar to the BJJ floor drills or judo kuzushi drills, it's nothing more than that.
@CarlaCasteneda
3 ай бұрын
Actually it was rare to see Ueshiba do this kind of stuff, it's more a development after his death as a way to "play' with the mechanics of applying and slipping techniques. As you say, it looks a bit silly, but as sensei says, it's never meant to be anything more than a drill to allow people to learn to "feel' the gaps in peoples applications, so it has use from a teaching perspective. not often taught in modern times so kinda cool for the new people to reference i guess too
@danielskipp1
2 ай бұрын
Purlease. There are no counters... That was not shihonage, just an incorrect imitation. Proper technique with kuzushi [continuous unbalancing] and superior aiki [seizing his centre] doesn't allow for a counter. Learning these countertechniques is pointless anyway, just get good at your attributes and skills.
@AIKIDOSILVERDALE
2 ай бұрын
Correct. there are no counters to 100% perfect technique. Good luck being perfect. 100% of the time. Drill like these allow students to feel with all of their body where kuzushi might be if a technique (or more importantly, the underlying principle that technique allows you to try to use) fails. Saito sensei, Tohei and Abbe (my lineage) all taught kaeshi waza, and it's core to koryu judo and jujutsu as a teachiing principle.
@nikosskeptikos6295
2 ай бұрын
Feel free to visit the dojo, I'll give you ten bucks for any of your techniques I cant counter. in fact I bet i can basically resist you putting anything on without bothering with the counter. Hey, where you based? I'll pay your air fare and we'll film it for the channel?
@richardfauer7485
3 ай бұрын
Looks to mutch of bulshido😂
@AIKIDOSILVERDALE
3 ай бұрын
Again, it's a case of context. no one in their right mind would think that this is anything other than a drill for sensitivity and blending with movement, similar to the BJJ floor drills or judo kuzushi drills, it's nothing more than that. it's just a training exercise we posted as it's not often seen anymore.
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