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@beepboop204
Жыл бұрын
Nordic Animism and Jackson Crawford both have addressed the issue of those modern people who want to "get back to nature", and both discussed things like how MOST RICH ROMANS AND GREEKS still showed signs of nutritional stress; people living in nature felt a very real fear of nature (maybe thats why the 'revered it') and if some iPhone, health care, welfare state having modern asked to swap places, the ancients would get outta there in a flash and be confused why they wanted to swap!
@TheEsotericaChannel
Жыл бұрын
Marco's New Book - bit.ly/TACM-preorder Reach Marco - magick.marcovisconti.org
@TheEmptyAir
Жыл бұрын
Man thinking of trimming his beard interviews his future self.
@MarcoVisconti
Жыл бұрын
😅😅😅
@vev5093
Жыл бұрын
Too cool
@lorrettacrowley5922
Жыл бұрын
So spot on 👍
@RJAamir
Жыл бұрын
😂👍
@caracopland710
Жыл бұрын
😂🧡🌈🏴
@stormgazer418
Жыл бұрын
Magick is the art of training one's self to think the right thoughts and have the right ideas at the right time.
@lvxleather
6 ай бұрын
I can't imagine reading Crowley at 12 years old. I started in my twenties and had a hard time grasping it. I'm now in my forties and barely scratching the surface lol. I think reading it early without having had any formal magickal training was good. As I experienced more and finally became involved with an order, things started to click. The journey has been challenging but rewarding.
@MarcoVisconti
2 ай бұрын
I didn't understand much at the time, and I did not understand much for a few years. Things began to click around age 17.
@BlackestSheepBobBarker333
Жыл бұрын
"If you follow the coattails of misinformation, by debunking, the misinformation has the initiative." Dr. J.Sledge Well said, I never thought of it that way, but I absolutely agree with that angle.
@Victoria7livity
Жыл бұрын
⭐️🐍Thanks for this - so interesting & informative - I cleaned snake tanks and fed my little friends whilst listening. The time flew by.🙂
@t0xcn253
Жыл бұрын
Shucks can't believe I missed this premiere. what a great topic. I love to hear the dialogue and hear the stuff that comes up naturally between two learned people, simply wonderful.
@KellyBergerDeusVult
Жыл бұрын
I love the attitude and approach of both of you! This was thoroughly enjoyable and, as always, informative.
@jvandervest2578
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the calm, intellectual, clear-minded approach, even if I am more the practitioner, I am not untrained in the scholarly approach.
@alainaaugust1932
Жыл бұрын
A contemporary of Crowley, Jung sycretized beliefs and mythology east and west to yield his mystical archetypes , exploring magick from another point of view. For the powerful magick that we humans are so good at that we “just do it in our mind” (Marco Visconti, at 47:28) see the work of Dr. Beecher at Mass General Hospital, 1950’s. His magick worked 35% of the time. Subsequent research has shown results of up to 60%. Consciousness: all the fun we’ll ever have. Thanks, Justin and Marco.
@SawYouDie
6 ай бұрын
I’ve been pondering on that a lot i love exploring the unknown but always wanted to do it by conunsioness only
@numb3r5ev3n
Жыл бұрын
Thanks to Dr. Justin Sledge and Marco Visconti for discussing this topic! 93 everyone and 420!
@garrettgearhart6123
Жыл бұрын
93 93/93
@dteun
Жыл бұрын
420 destroys so much
@SaturnRooster81
Жыл бұрын
@Erin what is the significance of 93 and 420? Trying to wait for it in the video. Is it mentioned in this interview? Thanks 🙏
@jessicac9236
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this great conversation! Particularly liked that you mentioned Florence Farr. Looking forward to hearing you two talk again in the future. :)
@elysiumsexsmith
Жыл бұрын
I think Marco's theory about the purpose of the bornless ritual is pretty much spot on. It seems to me to be a ritual used for centering the magician and reinforcing their will -- an invocation of the higher self -- in preparation for going toe-to-toe with spirits. This then would be especially useful in advance of both exorcism and goetic magick where they are directly attempting to control spirits but also useful in advance of any magickal undertaking as the magician is effectively charging themselves up. Not only this, as an invocation of the higher self, repeat invocations would allow the magician to develop a deeper connection with their higher self. This is merely conjecture on my part, however.
@t0xcn253
Жыл бұрын
This sounds like it is spoken from experience, thank you so much for giving this explanation.
@Ricca_Day
Жыл бұрын
I would agree that this is the essence of what is intended for pretty much all types of interactive observance within a magical setting. I had a friend many years ago, who had been a self-styled practitioner for many years before he came into his relationship with Christ. He was a fascinating person to talk with, because I was having visions and didn’t understand the symbologies and many of the words I was seeing. He had also been a Mason.. so I was quite fortunate to be able to discuss those things with him. I lost track of him over time, sadly, but he was able to help me see a lot of connections within the larger context of the more secular aspects of how the organizational structures are situated. Since then I’ve had the opportunity to interact with lots of folks who are from different occult backgrounds, and it’s always fascinating to learn how they are motivated. For me, the biggest struggle is finding my own way to interact with the Holy Spirit within my faith.. without crossing lines with the Creator in my own intentions. I’m naturally predisposed to believe in the G0Dhead.. but highly reluctant to presumptions about my significance or insignificance.. which makes me pretty weird to begin with. It excludes me from magikal practice within any religious context in principle, because it just doesn’t feel right. I’ve finally learned, through the Spirit and decades of prayer, dreams, visions and meditation cultivated through necessity.. that I’m a physical empath. It’s just a part of my 🧬 Double Helix apparently.. but no one really talked about how to be an empath when I was growing up in a predominantly Protestant environment. Heck, where I was, I never even met a Catholic until I was 16! But over time, the Lord has given me so many opportunities to hear people and to look beyond their words and terminology to see what we are searching for. It’s always interesting to talk with folks about their reasons for whatever practices they follow. For me, what brings me closer to Christ and Christ consciousness is the goal. I want that Relationship to be as Real as every other person i Love. Ultimately.. that’s the goal, anyway, but without being demanding or egoistic about it. That’s the rub, as they say, because it is very difficult not to be a little selfish about what I want vs. what is the situation I’m approaching Him with in prayer. So I try not to engage in rote or ritual.. because that’s not how I see my Relationship with Him. But I also don’t want to be disrespectful to The Spirit Who imbues Life, Light and Love from the Dawn of Divine Consciousness which precedes our rudimentary understanding of our own interactions with The Creator by Magnitudes of Understanding I can only even consider through a more Quantum Understanding than the ones we rely on within the Material Matrix of mortal existence. This is the intuitive understanding of our ancestors and all forms of religious beliefs, at least those that I’ve observed. The differences are more in terms of the names we recognize and reasons for our actions within the context of our practices. Essentially.. intentions. It’s a work in Progress from my perspective. I want to understand the process, but the heart of it as much as possible, because more folks are “heart-sick” than anything else, and looking for ways of healing the wounds that cause us to search. For the secularly minded, these pursuits are more suited to science and intellectual understanding, making Reason their Haven from superficial spiritual pursuits.. but Majik has developed a reputation for being a Methodological approach to the understanding that The Spiritual Realm contains potential for Knowledge far beyond the traditional understandings. Depending upon the Religious Institutions of the timeframe, folks who operate within or outside of the usual and customary take their lives into their own hands in order to remain true to their own hearts higher intentions. I thank G0D regularly for having been permitted to be born in this world now. I’d have been burned at the stake years ago if I’d been born in the wrong place.. or been tempted to burn others to assure myself of my own moral acceptability. That’s speculative, of course, but for me, the struggle is against my own tendency towards Self-justification. But.. in His Presence, the Spirit is able to help me come to terms with my own duality and desires towards fulfilling the Design of what He has in Mind.. while cultivating the principle of being a vessel for effective use within this material realm. It’s about being available, balanced and looking beyond the boundaries we set for ourselves.. and others. I see folks like Marco references, who are cultivating their capacity to drain the energies of others in order to build their own power, and I think how that might look to the Source. I suppose I have issues with vampiric tactics, because Life is held in the Balance and it’s not fair game, even if I am capable of drawing it out. In Alabama, where I grew up 1000 years ago, it was put quite simply in terms of human relationships, they called it “ 2 ticks looking for a dog.” I guess I just don’t want to be a tick.. or a dog. I don’t want to justify myself Against others or conversely, be condemned by them, but must remain open to constructive criticism. It gets pretty daunting sometimes.. but it’s a process of discovery, this life. Thanks so much for sharing! It helps! As I’m reading this, so many thoughts flood my mind. I’m going to try to learn how to be a better transducer, I think. I’ve watched the application of charisma in the context of many different situations, and I believe that how we undertake to utilize it.. essentially do define us. As a follower of Christ.. I must remember that He is the Head, I am the Body/Bride/vessel. To be Filled with His Spirit, I must empty myself.. and yet.. as much as I desire to dissolve within His Presence.. I must maintain my own existence, in essence, maintaining my own Accountability towards Heaven, while traveling through tribulations that are capable of challenging my faith in all 3 Realms. I think I’d have been fascinated with Mr. Crowley, but we’d have been frenemies.. or worse. I’d probably have Loved him and died trying to understand his motives towards Heaven and Humanity. I’m just not comfortable being an opportunist or an elitist. I hate having to live as a slave to Coin and Commerce.. but a gal’s gotta make a living 🤷♀️ so whatcha gonna do? Anyway.. thanks for your comments. Much obliged ✨💖✨ Blessings! 🪸🐠🪷🦋
@caracopland710
Жыл бұрын
I disagree- he may have realised the the weighing of our souls has us in debt since “the fall” & there’s an underlying truth that working with your guardian angel (am earthbound/trapped passed on spirit) can essentially be freedom for you both if you have an ego death and become one (a wedding of energies)with your guardian plus a more secret and difficult offering for you both to the ANCIENT deities in apology for our religious mess and our lives without them... a debate channel would be good- I do like your diction grammar and manners however. Greetings from Keiss 🌈🏴 edit: crikey I may add I’m less than 2mins in and straight to the comments so have only guesses as to what’s discussed. My own teacher informs me of various theological true mythological stories and weeds out the misinformation and falsities for me. It’s been rather iniquitous 🧡🌈🏴
@alexlarsen6413
Жыл бұрын
@@Ricca_Day You don't have to be a slave to coin and commerce and neither do you have to be a slave to the failed prophet from Nazareth or whatever his followers put into his mouth. You do have a free choice to let that slave mentality go and commune with other consciousnesses respectfully, albeit on an equal footing...instead of denigrating yourself before them. That is a truly balanced path and a much healthier relationship. You say you don't want to be neither a tick nor a dog, yet you are being one of those things (I'll let you figure out which one) with respect to the deity you worship. There is no worshipping in the occult and neither did our pre-abrahamic ancestors worship anybody. They simply talked to the gods as you would talk to wise grandparents, showing them dutiful respect but not behaving as slaves before them. I know it's difficult to go back to a healthy spirituality when you're conditioned into Christianity from childhood. You're much more powerful than you're led on to believe...and there is nothing wrong with that.
@Ricca_Day
Жыл бұрын
@@alexlarsen6413 Hi there Alex. So here’s the thing. I’m a thankful slave to Grace. Idk about you, but I am an unwilling slave to Coin and Commerce, simply because there’s no actual option for someone who has debts to what are truly failed institutions. But with regard to my personal relationship with your purported “failed prophet from Nazareth”, He is not now, neither has He ever been my “problem”, because I do have a Free Will & Choice. Regardless of the alternative options which might be potentially “available”. I’m not here for an argument.. but rather in Agreement with the Freedom I have to do as I will, which includes.. following His. So if I am a slave, it is to the Principles of Christ, for which there is no substitute.. only A Representative.. and for me.. his name is Salvation, whether by his given Name Yeshua or his anglicized name of Jesus. No worries though, I appreciate your perspective, though I’ve certainly heard this all before from numerous folks who disregard the Value I find in the Precepts of living a life based on biblical principles and the better examples, which still I choose for myself out of the myriad of options available. Have a wonderful day, and remain blessed.
@cafe.cedarbeard
8 ай бұрын
Wow, the God sparkles are great in this one! The idea of the inner temple, yes! I got that idea way back with the story of Crowley doing a big ritual while walking across China. My funding has as yet never been like him in his dandy days, but I got his stuff through books and some years in the OTO. I remember this ritual, and yes it did kick up the energy big time! One experience I remember brightly is doing Liber Samekh in my inner eye while on public transit and then doing a walk through downtown where I could viscerally feel multiple layers, a hundred years ago interposed upon my present time sight, The fog that day helped, but it was surely the ritual that opened the portal.
@cafe.cedarbeard
8 ай бұрын
Not beginner...it was round 1999 that this thing happened I remember. It was 1992 in October when I got the first lessons through books before I met anyone with the beginner rituals of Modern Magick. Liber Samekh was during my OTO years later in that decade and into the present century a little. Yes, many rituals were in my mix then that propelled me into my destruction of child ego box and this was one of them. Thank you for this one. I also left OTO after KEW as my angel was online even before I joined that group. I value the time there, and also that I had to leave to learn other aspects of my individual Aquarian age path. Knight of East and West and Priest of Ecclisia Gnostica Catholica is in me for the rest of my life, but I had to go forth to learn things not in the Crowley cannon which is proper to the grade of the Knights who just come to the order for getting our inner compass adjusted, then move on to further study elsewhere.
@morigahn
7 ай бұрын
@cafe.cedarbeard it would be fascinating to have a conversation with you. I'm new-ish to Thelema, I've studied chaos magick and I'm a LHP. I don't know any Thelemites other than a few interactions on reddit. Wish you well. 93
@xristosairetikos7523
Жыл бұрын
93s from the valley of Montreal, Qc. Great discussion. Thank you Dr. Sledge and Marco Visconti
@Chickenface12345
Жыл бұрын
Visconti! A surname as Italian as it gets, deriving from a noble family that ruled over a part of italy for a while. Thank you for the video, by the way, peeps, very interesting.
@jayearnhardt9790
Жыл бұрын
Thank you the guest was very understandable and i now have another expert with great knowledge perspective. Keep up the great work. Dr sledge
@FromTheCauldronWitch
Жыл бұрын
New subscriber here. I find your knowledge and your understanding and take on the occult so beautiful, There is absolutely no judgement passed in your videos. I am binge watching them. You came across my recommended list and I tuned in. The Qlippoth was what hooked me. As someone who practices the occult it is nice to see your approach as so many out there have to bash, shame, belittle and or ridicule others views. They all speak of the "ego" and not having one, but spend an hour speaking in terms of "I do, I have" etc. Thank you. Many blessings to you. I hope this message finds you well. Steph
@TheEsotericaChannel
Жыл бұрын
Thanks - my job is to present information not judge it, at least, most of the time. Welcome aboard!
@FromTheCauldronWitch
Жыл бұрын
@@TheEsotericaChannel thank you. I am enjoying the ride so far
@richardwhistance8226
Жыл бұрын
that was a great watch thank you - lovely meeting of minds
@dvowls120
7 ай бұрын
Giving this a relisten Great content, good fun
@snuffpuppy1
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this conversation. Marco is brilliant; could you please have another discussion about crossing the abyss with Marco? All best wishes xx
@MarcoVisconti
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@aimeemorgado8715
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for a fascinating discussion.
@TheEsotericaChannel
Жыл бұрын
Marco's New Book - bit.ly/TACM-preorder Reach Marco - magick.marcovisconti.org
@KentWoodsMusic
Жыл бұрын
I highly recomend reading Marco's writings on getting out of the OTO. Thanks yall!
@MarcoVisconti
Жыл бұрын
🙏🏻
@trans-forming
Жыл бұрын
Justin, your comment near the end that you don't want an afterlife is great. One of the most disturbing thoughts I ever had during a meditation was how horrific it would be to be sentient, conscious, and aware at the heat death of the universe. Just cold, dead nothing in every direction. No stories. No life. No change. That would be awful! Then again, maybe when you get to the heat death of the universe there's no energy left for consciousness and G!d goes back to being the Ayn. 🤔
@josephmelton4721
8 ай бұрын
Life wins out over death.
@burdenblossom9484
Жыл бұрын
this was really cool, I'm going to check out Marco's book!
@emeraldcitymystic
Жыл бұрын
Nice Livestream!!!
@h.sapiens3404
2 ай бұрын
Amazing 😮
@saraperez2771
Жыл бұрын
“And they found out that the HGA is Batman” 😂😂😂. Great interview!
@tsibren
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic interview! Thank you.
Жыл бұрын
This was a really good talk! 10/10
@Defecthead
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@happyboygogo
Жыл бұрын
Great content as usual! always grateful to hear Florence Farr get mentioned.
@TheEsotericaChannel
Жыл бұрын
She's most deserved
@shadbridges6893
Жыл бұрын
An exhaustive study on the akephalos forth coming you say? That's exciting!
@TheTurkey79
Жыл бұрын
In 1994 the band Killing Joke recorded some vox for their album Pandemonium in the Kings Chamber of the Great Pyramid
@MarcoVisconti
Жыл бұрын
Jaz Coleman has been interested in Thelema for decades.
@TheTurkey79
Жыл бұрын
@@pagerhoads1531 Right on, i'll have to check it out B)
@rlprincipe
Жыл бұрын
26:26 been getting heavily into Jon Atack's research connecting Scientology and Thelema/ritual magick, so your use of the word "technology" REALLY jumped out at me here.
@MarcoVisconti
Жыл бұрын
I discussed those connections a few years ago on Chris Shelton’s channel. Check it out!
@kingchief4038
Жыл бұрын
The Thoth Tarot is a masterpiece
@shivasmight369
Жыл бұрын
Excellent content! Om Namah Shivaya
@BlackestSheepBobBarker333
Жыл бұрын
I have recently found a song titled "Om Namah Shivaya," by Krisna Das Music. It is wonderful and uplifting. May I ask what this translates to in the English dialect? Thank you
@shivasmight369
Жыл бұрын
@@BlackestSheepBobBarker333 I bow to Lord Shiva (God)
@BlackestSheepBobBarker333
Жыл бұрын
@@shivasmight369 . Thank you. India's culture is so Ancient and fascinates me in many ways. You may already be aware and I will try and link an interesting video regarding a bridge built on the southern tip of India that is spoken of by one of the Hindu holy books (forgive me, I can't recall). Science attempted to explain it away in its typical material fashion. Some very compelling aspects of this massive bridge were discovered recently. Jic, I'm not allowed to link the video, it is on the "Universe Inside Me" YT channel. You will see "India Landbridge" in the title. I'll send the link shortly. Be well
@BlackestSheepBobBarker333
Жыл бұрын
@@shivasmight369 . I think you will enjoy both of these videos.
@Dewey_Boondye420
Жыл бұрын
if marco truly was 12 in 1990 i must learn his magick of anti aging! because whatever he is doing has worked marvelously
@MarcoVisconti
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ChrisQuigley414
5 ай бұрын
dao
@vickiecarlisle8359
Жыл бұрын
Sir please consider discussing homosexual aspects of the system 👌
@BMFlame9393
10 ай бұрын
Lmao there’s no homosexual aspect of the system of thelema. Just cause Crowley like to gobble down some hog doesn’t mean everyone has to
@Cybervue
Жыл бұрын
Very cool!
@yitzhaklm7549
Жыл бұрын
The headless ritual
@danmcnerney7886
Жыл бұрын
Dying and going to heaven is living first unto heaven.
@taionorbanus5101
Жыл бұрын
I find you can never really do the same ritual. You're always in a different time so you're always in a different place. Imagine how far we have moved in only 100 years.
@Yurick052
6 ай бұрын
Great tempo in the discussion. The resurrection is sorts like playing freeze tag as children.
@Ricca_Day
Жыл бұрын
“Majik works for super rational reasons…” This is a profoundly truthful statement. Ritual is simply a formalization of practices in order to establish a pattern that is replicable and marketable in many, many ways. In a spiritual sense, ritual is just the Area Code we’re dialing up.. sorta. I know that there is a spiritual reality that is constituted of every sentient consciousness that has ever existed on earth.. at the very least.. but I believe that it’s more Cosmic than that too. But the predominant problem for me in accessing Majik-al practices is that I truly believe in the G0D of Abraham, Isaac and Joseph, the Aleph Tav of Rahab.. Ruth.. and hopefully.. me.. in Yeshua Ha’Moshiack & Ruach Ha’Codesh and the Divine Father.. so Majik is a bargain I can’t justify outside of the G0Dhead.. because it would require me to diminish my understanding of The Divine in lieu of simple eternal consciousness. The hardest thing as a practicing Christian is to recognize how much we are taught to operate within a magical mindset.. without crossing over into the realm of Manipulation in order to attain Manifestation. At least it’s the more difficult part for me, because I have no desire to diminish my Lord, Yeshua for the sake of myself or even those I love.. so it’s frustrating.. and the temptation to operate ritually lurks in the shadows of temporal disappointments too frequently for my own liking. So which is worse? To operate in.. ritual majik or ritual religion? Not sure there’s any full answer for that based on academic standards, and witchcraft is defined by those who Rule, rather than by the Creator of All.. imho, anyway 🤷♀️.. meh.. I’m probably way overthinking this.. but there it is. Thanks for a very interesting discussion, gentlemen.
@t0xcn253
Жыл бұрын
I know! That realy blew my mind I also agree with what he said after about the failure of reconstructivism as a method of connecting to the past, there are some traditions that sadly have passed into total oblivion their unwritten components and oral traditions having vanished altogether.
@MaryAcevedo
Жыл бұрын
You aren't over thinking,,you're being true to the Lord and being cautious of not crossing any boundaries..I wanna know the same things that you're asking for my own sake also..I feel strongly tho it's all in what you feel inside ( decrement) ..if it feels wrong, don't do it..change things around and add what feels right to you...there's always a loop hole lol.. use you're intuition,,intentions and decrement..if you mess up...(Repent ) and start over lol..were humans..we're all learning..wishing you blessings 🙌by
@Ricca_Day
Жыл бұрын
@@t0xcn253 Context in Historical Landscape.. Like Location in Real Estate. It’s nearly everything.
@Ricca_Day
Жыл бұрын
@@MaryAcevedo Beautifully stated, beloved sister. Ultimately it boils down to intentions.. though the highway to Hell is littered with many that were noble in the moment.. some are in finality.. sadly.. without eternal merit to a mortal vessel imbued with immortal spirit. To follow Christ is a continuous joy of exploration, held in balance with a sense of obligation towards both Creator & Creation.. It’s a journey we all are tasked with internally. We know it. We feel it. We search. Research. Rationalize and regret at times.. but our Quest is burned into our hearts and psyches by the Source of Grace. We are salmon with a Compass that will Lead us Home to Where we Came From.. imho.. i just don’t want to miss the opportunity to see the beauty within the River (and around It and within It) that bears me Hence.. or the literal 🐻s that wanna eat me up along the Way..🤷♀️ Blessings!🪷
@t0xcn253
Жыл бұрын
@@Ricca_Day wise words. Any text on religion or magic i encounter I ask myself "Who was this written for and in what situation?" Often those sorts of considerations are the key to a greater understanding of the implicit meaning
@alabaster2163
Жыл бұрын
Heart Math Institute. The science is definitely in. Emotions hold more power than anything. Hence the push to sweep them under the rug or manipulate people out of them. It is one of the most important resources. Often harvested and played on for monetary value.
@MarcoVisconti
Жыл бұрын
93rd comment! Sorry Justin, I had to :)
@TheEsotericaChannel
Жыл бұрын
I'm just wondering how long you were waiting on that ;)
@stefanislutty9214
Жыл бұрын
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, I haven’t finished the episode yet, but regarding speculation of who might have introduced the Bornless One Ritual to the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, I wanted to say that it is just as probable that one of the prominent women of the Order introduced it, and not just one of the prominent men of the Order. Its earliest appearance seems to be a quote in the Jupiter talisman consecration ritual for the Zelator Adeptus Minor grade of the inner Rosicrucian Order of the Golden Dawn. (Israel Regardie: Golden Dawn: Vol. III: Book 6, pg. 221 or pg. 418; also My Rosicrucian Adventure: What You should Know about the Golden Dawn: Chapter 5: Light in Extension, pp. 119-140, esp. pg. 128) To the best of my knowledge, this quote is not a direct quote from the 1852 ce translation of The Bornless Ritual by Charles Wycliffe Goodwin (Fragment of a Graeco-Egyptian Work upon Magic), since that translation is rendered, “I am he, the headless one…” whereas the quotation in the Z.3 ritual states, I am He, the Bornless Spirit”. The Forward provided by Frater AMAG: Israel Regardie (ibidem, Book 5, pp. 152-153 or pp. 376-377) clearly establishes that The Bornless Ritual itself was part of the document for the Zelator Adeptus Minor grade for the Stella Matutina, the splinter group established by Robert Felkin, but due to its quotation in the earlier Jupiter consecration ritual, undoubtedly developed by Samuel Liddel MacGregor Mathers himself, we can suppose that a form of it also existed in the original Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn prior to the schism in 1900 ce. Nonetheless, Israel Regardie clearly states that he provided his own “improved” version of it for his Golden Dawn expose (ibidem: Book 5, pp. 152-153 or pp. 259-265 or pp. 442-446), as derived from his magnum opus The Tree of Life: An Illustrated Study in Magic: Chapter 17, pp. 393-396. Note: he wrote this book prior to becoming Mr. Crowley’s secretary, but this “improved” version is identical to that appended by Mr. Crowley to his 1904 ce edition of the Goetia. Note: to the best of my knowledge, the translation published by Sir AE Wallis Budge was a partial quotation of that of Charles Wycliffe Goodwin, and the late 1890’s is too late to have influenced the Zelator Adeptus Minor grade, the Golden Dawn having been established in 1888 ce, and its Inner Order of Rosicrucianism having been established in August of 1890 ce. (Mary K Greer: Women of the Golden Dawn, pg. 79) Note: this Egyptian influence is not evident in the original Cipher manuscripts, from which Mr. Mathers allegedly developed the Golden Dawn rituals; at least the outer order. Mr. Mathers was undoubtedly interested in Egyptian lore, more so than say Dr. William Wynn Westcott’s interest in Kabbalah and Hermetic lore, William Butler Yeats’ interest in Celtic lore, Allan Bennett’s interest in Kabbalah and Buddhist lore, or Sir Arthur Edward Waite’s interest in Rosicrucian and Catholic lore. Yet, it was actually Soror SSDD: Florence Farr who seems to have been the most interested in Egyptian lore, having published Egyptian Magic: Occult Mysteries in Ancient Egypt in 1896 ce, being deeply influenced by the 1895 ce publication of the Papyrus of Ani by Sir AE Wallis Budge. (ibidem, pp. 152-153) She allegedly encountered an ascended Egyptian adept at the British Museum in 1896 ce, and she drew a picture of him and sent it in a letter to Mr. Mathers, who was then living in Paris not London, with his spiritual wife Moina MacGregor Mathers (Mina Bergson). Nonetheless, Ms. Farr seems to have developed her Egyptian Magic within a Golden Dawn study group which also consisted of Annie Horniman, WB Yeats, and Allan Bennett. (ibidem, pp. 167-171, and it is possible that the infamous Crowley version of the Bornless One Ritual was first developed by both Ms. Farr and Mr. Bennett, perhaps at the same time they produced the Taphthartharath evocation, where Mr. Bennett probably helped with the Greek and where Ms. Farr probably concocted the Egyptian. (ibidem, pp. 168-173) Nonetheless, the wording seems to me to be distinctly Crowleyan in its final redaction, and I am convinced that he probably reworked an earlier version of it given to him by Allan Bennet when he departed to Tibet to become a Buddhist monk circa 1899-1900 ce. Lastly, I must say that I agree with Marco Visconti that the ακέφαλος as “headless one” in Greek was probably a δαίμων developed from the Egyptian lore of Οσιρις (Asar) as mystically being the magickal “one without a phallus”. I too joined a Thelemic Golden Dawn order, the Hermetic Order of the New Aeon founded by Mark E Bober and Robert Walls, when I was teenager in 1987, and I was also unofficially connected with the Hrumachis camp of the Ordo Templi Orientis, Allentown, PA, as a teenager, when I was connected to the Church of SATAN (Survival and the Androgyne Nation) founded by Jay Solomon (Rev. Yaj Nomolos, satanic priest), and later officially joined the OTO in 2003 after I graduated from Philadelphia Biblical University, but I was not impressed by the New Age version of Magick being practiced by the Thelesis lodge in Philadelphia, PA. I have always sought like Mr. Crowley to attempt a survey of mysticism and magic (Magick) by the scientific method; his scientific illuminism: synthesizing the method of science with the aim of religion. Indeed, for example, while I did Tarot card readings as a Fundamentalist Christian circa 1995-2003, when I converted from Christianity to Judaism, I always kept a careful record of the results and attempted to analyze them according to the scientific method, and I have not yet determined a rationale for them, but consider the results arbitrary and random, but I still wonder if a Chaos theory butterfly effect will eventually emerge from its randomness?! I think Mr. Crowley would mock much of his OTO today, since it seems to have lost its primary goal of Attainment of Knowledge and Conversation with one’s Holy Guardian Angel, his primary intent for the Bornless One Ritual from Liber Samekh, a ritual undoubtedly intended to attain spiritual Gnosis regarding the Higher Divine Genius of the Golden Dawn rituals; a ritual undoubtedly originally developed by Mr. Mathers and later embellished with Abramelin typology by Mr. Crowley at the infamous Boleskine house. I studied Dispensationalist doctrine at Philadelphia Biblical University, having obtained my two degrees in Jewish studies and Biblical studies, and having also attended the open Plymouth Brethren meetings of Believers Fellowship with Elder Paul Karleen in Yardley, PA when I was a Fundamentalist Christian, so I think I’ve obtained a better grasp of some of Mr. Crowley’s perspective than most Thelemites who are not educated in his background, and are mostly Pagan and non-Christian in their worldview, whereas Mr. Crowley’s entire Aeon doctrine seems to have been based upon a Rosicrucian and Egyptian reworking of Dispensationalist eschatology. Love is the Law; Love under Will, Soror Samhain “I am He, the Bornless One; the fallen angel watching you. Babalon the scarlet Whore; I’ll infiltrate your gratitude.” (Iron Maiden: Moonchild from the Seventh Son of a Seventh Son album)
@MarcoVisconti
Жыл бұрын
Great comments here, and I agree with you... Florence Farr could have been the source indeed! I really hope we can get one of the many PhD candidates studying esotericism these days to finally do her justice with proper research soon.
@tarrypoindexter207
Жыл бұрын
i want out ,not sure how I came to this place where one wrong turn........
@papumerta5013
11 ай бұрын
Love is the law / Love under will :Once upon a pale horse :Behemoth
@jeffyoung3394
Жыл бұрын
hey all
@SobekLOTFC
Жыл бұрын
Fun stream! Keep up the great work! 👏
@Warp75
Жыл бұрын
Forget about the News of the World bullshit. Man was a visionary no doubt
@KissingEmbers
Жыл бұрын
What's the yt channel of the lady you were talking about?
@TheEsotericaChannel
Жыл бұрын
Angela Puca - Angela's Symposium!
@rssreader7352
Жыл бұрын
There was also Dr Dzwiza, www.youtube.com/@antikemagie
@KissingEmbers
Жыл бұрын
@Rss Reader your a boss bro.... thankyou!
@bubbabentley4274
Жыл бұрын
Thelema!!!
@rishikesh1087
Жыл бұрын
I keep rewatching. Was there ever an answer given in regard to a correspondence between Ketu and Akephalos? I study Vedic Astrology as well but other than some stretches have really never been able to make one.
@MoorishMonitor
Жыл бұрын
93 ✌🏾🧿✋🏾
@makanalopez9847
4 ай бұрын
Oh shit I got that book like a couple weeks ago
@MarcoVisconti
2 ай бұрын
Hope you're enjoying it!
@jasonwilcox6637
Жыл бұрын
The initiation is being born and wringing your hands is too
@leooz8071
5 ай бұрын
Greetings from the 36th Triangular Number.
@kurakuson
Жыл бұрын
Is there a discussion on the story of King Solomans' use of a ring to control spirits at will?
@opengnosis8555
Жыл бұрын
You guys look related, like twins almost
@k98killer
Жыл бұрын
Syncretism is as modern as it is ancient. It is somewhat ironic to call Crowley "modern" in how he combined things when the PGM is filled with syncretic material, and the Headless Ritual in particular is highly syncretic.
@tubedoggo
Жыл бұрын
I almost joined OTO I’m glad I didn’t.
@nobodyreally
Жыл бұрын
1:14:11 Isaac Newton didn’t want “gravity” ascribed to him. And he states that it is “so great an absurdity that I beleive no man who has in philosophical matters any competent faculty of thinking can ever fall into it.” Original letter from Isaac Newton to Richard Bentley (1692) “Tis unconceivable that inanimate brute matter should (without the mediation of something else which is not material) operate upon & affect other matter without mutual contact; as it must if gravitation in the sense of Epicurus be essential & inherent in it. And this is one reason why I desired you would not ascribe {innate} gravity to me. That gravity should be innate inherent & {essential} to matter so that one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum without the mediation of any thing else by & through which their action or force {may} be conveyed from one to another is to me so great an absurdity that I beleive no man who has in philosophical matters any competent faculty of thinking can ever fall into it. Gravity must be caused by an agent {acting} consta{ntl}y according to certain laws, but whether this agent be material or immaterial is a question I have left to the consideration of my readers.” - Author: Isaac Newton For Mr Bently at the Palace in Worcester A 4th Lett. from Mr Newton Source: 189.R.4.47, ff. 7-8, Trinity College Library, Cambridge, UK Published online: October 2007
@Ricca_Day
Жыл бұрын
Brilliant.
@peppermanikinzero384
Жыл бұрын
I have recently called upon an ancient archetype and so far i have felt such truth and beauty My only question is w the esoteric folding into the exoteric will there be penalties or consequences ? Ate humans to far removed from magic pers se that we do more harm than good ?
@suino1433
Жыл бұрын
I think I understand your terror regarding eternity, but I don't think I understand anything else.
@augustodelerme7233
Жыл бұрын
We need another Progressive era & LBJ's great society! 1900s, 1960s 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@directorans
Жыл бұрын
What is a practicing magician
@MarcoVisconti
Жыл бұрын
Someone who practices magick, as opposed of just reading about it.
@rmt3589
Жыл бұрын
53:08 I'm really interested in this concept, but can't make out the name enough to Google it.
@curbhopper66
Жыл бұрын
nice
@beepboop204
Жыл бұрын
🙂
@disnagburnazog9552
3 ай бұрын
Wait, Grendel? I know that band!
@MarcoVisconti
2 ай бұрын
🤘
@inkcap1002
Жыл бұрын
93,s every intentional act is a magical act. somtimes ile do the LBRP and pour love and healing while I bake a cake! and then give it to a friend or person who is sick or down on their luck .....it works ..no shit.
@DanRad44
4 ай бұрын
Wait, so Magick is real??..
@burdenblossom9484
Жыл бұрын
oy gevalt, with the reading of the necromancy always!
@hexbeat9832
Жыл бұрын
Detours and shortcuts: our modern life is a wayless ritual.
@arnyarny77
3 ай бұрын
Are psychedelics compatible with magic, i will answer my own question and saw no, for me anyways, as a sacrament, to be specific.
@kingsfordasante-sz5tz
Жыл бұрын
I’m a new customer so I need your help
@LailokenScathach
Жыл бұрын
Ouch 01:58
@frankamaya5796
6 ай бұрын
Hair is hard
@molochi
Жыл бұрын
Didn't the Catholic church recently get rid of purgatory?
@TheEsotericaChannel
Жыл бұрын
limbo and kinda
@molochi
Жыл бұрын
@@TheEsotericaChannel Shame really, gives all the decent unconverted folk a place to go if we're all wrong. heh.
@Ricca_Day
Жыл бұрын
Did they really? I think it was just translated to the mortal realm for the time being 🤔 because there’s a Word Coming from our Sponsors according to the prophecies of pretty much everyone who transmits such things. I was in the Spirit several times over the last 9 years or so, and I’ve seen a dungeon under the ocean made of monolithic stones, a cistern type underground cave with a lake inhabited by a rainbow tailed fish(?), which was on the land and then slipped into the water which was what drew my attention to her(?) in the 1st place, and then I saw the large pearlescent Spider who was completing her Magnum Opus there on the edge of the waters. But the most fascinating was finding myself standing in front of the Great Seal which is The Gate to the Great Hall of Hades while it was opened by a large male(?) being that I think might have been an Ifrit. As I walked into the Main Hallway, it felt completely empty.. dormant, if you will.. like walking into Mordor without the orcs hiding in the shadows. My suspicion is that everyone is Topside these days awaiting the Final Summoning and Sifting of the Mortal Realm before what Comes Next. Wouldn’t wanna miss That! I get the sense that it’s been a steady process that began in the West around the time of Martin Luther’s Thesis and John Dee and Mr. Kelly making contact with their version of the H.G.A. That kinda cracked the Seal.. imho, but all of those who were searching their faiths through scientific and mathematical means have created the context for opening our minds up to the Quantum potentialities. What a fascinating time to be alive? Maybe that’s why everywhere in the Deep Realms seems to be more or less.. Unoccupied? Idk really.. it’s just what I’ve seen 🤷♀️🧬💖✨🪸🪷🍃
@alainaaugust1932
Жыл бұрын
@@pagerhoads1531 And then so should other abuse ridden churches like Southern Baptist, Mormon, Presbyterianism, etc.? Right. Fully agree. Let’s end all abuse. Blessings.
@mlclm
Жыл бұрын
93 93/93.
@matthewterry2291
10 ай бұрын
I did a short version found in a book of the bornless ritual only 1 time and have been feeling very weird mentally out of it for a couple days is that normal?
@SawYouDie
6 ай бұрын
You ok ?
@choptop81
7 ай бұрын
I hated that shit you mentioned where Crowley told you to cut yourself for thinking incorrectly got me so mad I stopped reading him for like 5 years lol
@virtualmoyda7221
Жыл бұрын
Twins lol
@jasonmackintosh6075
Жыл бұрын
Kem
@paolooguis1988
Жыл бұрын
and BRad pitt too, , similarly doing what margot robbie is doin,, or actlly they both agreed,
@madashamlet
Жыл бұрын
ordered t shirt, been a month, doesn't look like im getting a shirt or my refund, soo tired of being ripped off by internet thieves
@TheEsotericaChannel
Жыл бұрын
Have you contacted teespring? What's your order number and I'll harass them - took me a month to get mine too!
@shaungorham7959
Жыл бұрын
💵$19.99
@xys7536
Жыл бұрын
I wanna see magik
@Forsaken66666
Жыл бұрын
Do as thou wilt...
@marasmiusgoldcrow6746
Жыл бұрын
When people ask is Magick real? Does it really work? I just ask if Placebo is real or if it really works.!. Thy wilt be done on earth (just) as it is in heaven!!! 665 the neighbor of the beast.!.
@Visionary777
Жыл бұрын
Talk about liber agape IX sexual majick or union within the most high or to make things happen in material world/ ethereal world…current 93…left/right hand path…OTO had a lot of people that get sick/ do harm/ self grasping things little in-ate natural morality. The book of the law. Crowley a minor adept at best as he was authentic there took over Ordo Templar Orientis as he Reyes To do with Golden Dawn. Not the masiah gave himself the highest possible grade…A:.A:.
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