Emergency physician with 35 yrs experience here. Contrary to “what everyone knows” it is very rare to be offered any freebies or compensation when you step in during an in-flight emergency. I got vomited on during one such episode and Delta wouldn’t even let me into the Club Lounge to clean myself up after deplaning. It was gross. No upgrades No free drinks and certainly no free miles.
@gamesvrtech6666
Жыл бұрын
Try Lufthansa next time, totally different experience. Helping someone on a flight or assisting the crew in any medical case once they call for a doctor definitely won't stay unnoticed!
@mohank9684
Жыл бұрын
Good to know...I'm a cardiologist, and I've helped on a plane thrice so far... no Miles, no upgrades no free drink...good to know that I'm not alone here!
@jeihka1
Жыл бұрын
I understand to want to clean up. But for the rest you shouldn't be a doctor if you expect those things for helping
@eusaboston
Жыл бұрын
@@jeihka1you shouldn’t be a Person
@jessicafan4614
Жыл бұрын
Oh...sorry to see this happened to you...
@lindaschad9734
Жыл бұрын
I was on a flight from Atlanta to Seattle and a flight attendant asked for anyone with medical training. A young man next to me pushed his call button and was asked to go to the back of the plane. He returned moments later complaining that he had never before been required to show his medical license, but retrieved it and rendered aid. It was just someone having a panic attack, but when we were all on the escalator in Seattle going to baggage claim, a couple of guys said "If he's a doctor, what's he doing riding in coach?", so I informed them that he was one of those poorly-paid residents just returning from a medical conference. Sheesh - the expectations of the uninformed public! Not every physician is a multimillionaire with his own plane!! Great video, thanks.
@gaditproductions
7 ай бұрын
a resident is a student doctor bruh...ofc they arent rich...some people don't understand the amount of training it takes.
@reddbendd
3 ай бұрын
@@gaditproductionssome people overestimate the amount of education and training required for certain specialties, such as psychiatry. Why would you do 8 years of school when you could do 6 instead and make more money right off the bat doing the same thing as a np
@gaditproductions
3 ай бұрын
@@reddbendd for many people, their work in medicine is a passion which just happens to pay. Np could pay more in some world, but if someone's passion is psychiatry, it's not worth leaving it. And in medicine, many times passion is very personal; ignited from personal tragedy or experience.
@trucid2
Жыл бұрын
Very good answers. Not only did he answer what's legal, he answered what's ethical and what's practical. I am majorly impressed.
@goku445
Жыл бұрын
"None of this is legal advice"
@michaeljulian4997
Жыл бұрын
As a paramedic of 25 years, I can tell you that, when on an aircraft, if you decide to provide medical care, the airline has physicians on call and available to consult. As a paramedic that works under the license of an MD at home, this allows me to provide much more care than I could legally without that resource. it also takes the liability off an MD, Nurse, or Paramedic on the flight that decides to assist.
@dingus153
Жыл бұрын
Out of the "3 dos" mentioned, telling someone directly to call for emergency services is easily the most important. So often people will just assume that someone else has done it already, potentially causing a life threatening delay in getting that patient getting to the care they need
@JV-pu8kx
Жыл бұрын
A similar problem: you see an emergency happening in the distance, do you call it in, or has it already been done? A rail fan, here on KZitem, spotted a fire, off in the distance, somewhere most people tend to ignore, in this case a piece of radio communication equipment on top of a skyscraper was burning. He ran to a nearby fire station to let them know, and just as he was doing that the call came in.
@bagel_deficient
Жыл бұрын
The way I was told to do it is point at someone specifically and shout "YOU, call 911" and make sure they understand. If you just yell "call 911" it might not do anything.
@jordanwardle11
Жыл бұрын
@@JV-pu8kx call it in. Because unless you do, you would never know that it was called it and if it wasn't, you could save someone's life
@gramps2matt
Жыл бұрын
As a retired EMT I believe it is important to note that while we appreciate MDs being on scene, it's also important to note that we are under a medical control from a nearby hospital so any on scene doctor should be aware that if they want to assert full control over the case they must continue with us to the hospital. We will gladly mention their presence to our medical control and what has been done but unless they (the on scene doctor) are willing to assume full control and express as much to medical control, have their consent and come with us to the hospital we will only accept orders from our medical control.
@elskid206
Жыл бұрын
Very true. When I ran rescue as a firefighter, sometimes I would get the look and the nod from the paramedics to get this doctor out of here. I was always willing to take the heat because I didn't have to work with them whereas the paramedics were sometimes less inclined to anger one of them.
@ninjalacoon
Жыл бұрын
My mom is an anesthesiologist or was for more than 40 years and had saved a woman on the plane from choking on some food. Was given nothing in return by the airline and the woman she saved never once thanked her or contacted her after the incident. The daughter of the woman did find and call my mom but only to try and have my mom verify untruths about the airline's food in an attempt to sue the airline. Some people are just ridiculous....
@John_Smith_86
Жыл бұрын
Yea, your mum really did a bad deed there
@kennygarcia102
Жыл бұрын
Some people are not worth saving
@LEONLOVESMUSIC
Жыл бұрын
This world is ridiculous!
@prodigyx1089
Жыл бұрын
@@acmhfmggru nope, she isn't obliged to help, and she deserves the recognition fro saving that woman's life. Don't be stupid here. Give recognition where it is due.
@carlosnino6476
Жыл бұрын
@@acmhfmggru people with “expensive degrees” are people as capable as everyone that decided to invest more than 10 years in training, sacrificing youth, time, family time and opportunity cost to study a degree that made them able to do what they did. You don’t have to give praise or a thank you to anyone, but it’s very entitled to feel like giving a “thank you” or any kind of praise to someone else that helped you doesn’t matter because they are “wealthy and with expensive degrees”. They are people just like you
@kevinp8108
Жыл бұрын
Being a medical doctor and a lawyer is a parent's dream come true!
@prtygrl5077
Жыл бұрын
I think "doctor" position only should provided to PhD holders. All the other low level degree holders should called by their profession. For example. Who fix mechanical things: Mechanical Engineer. Likewise, medical degree holders who fix body should be called " *Body Engineers* " or " *Body mechanics* ". There's no rational to call them "doctors". 😂+.+.+.+
@messyties
Жыл бұрын
@@prtygrl5077 I say only call medical doctors doctors. A medical doctor with a PhD should be called a super-doctor.
@prtygrl5077
Жыл бұрын
@@messyties nop, there's no rational behind that naming convention 💩 "body engineers" are more suitable than calling "medical doctors" 😂
@Yellowfruit65
Жыл бұрын
@@prtygrl5077I think "philosophy doctor" should be reserve for those actually studied philosophy. All other degree holders should be referred to by their profession, like MathD or EngD or PhyD. there's no rational behind calling everyone a "philosophy doctor"
@maxpayne69.
Жыл бұрын
@@prtygrl5077 that’s a retarded over-engineered take on something very base.
@pekkaroponen4920
Жыл бұрын
I am a MD and psychiatrist, so not exactly my speciality - I was once asked to make a psychiatric evaluation in Arlanda aerodrome in Stockholm - but that is another story. In Finland everybody is obliged by the law to help anybody in emergency situations. Whatever your competence is, you are to do all you can. Especially a medical person could face a severe reprimand and even a prison sentence, if you would just walk away. But of course we have no culture of sueing physicians...
@TwilightRage2099
Жыл бұрын
Number one rule I learned (the hard way) is to never stick around after you hand them off to a professional. A neighbor from two streets down, that I didn't know one bit, fell asleep with a cig and caught his house on fire. I smelled it and called for fire to come out while I was running to the house. I ended up getting there before the fire dept and ambulances. So I pulled him, his wife, and their dog out of the house. Luckily, I'm fairly fire resistant... but they weren't as their skin looked like it was staring to melt (dog was fine though). Responders come along, do their thing, I talk with them and give them the story, then they send those two out to the hospital (another neighbor took the dog for them). About a week later I get a call from the police with claims from the guy that I was the one who must have set the fire since I was there so quickly and it was two in the morning. So we do a little back and forth for a couple weeks while the fire investigator does his things (they were backed up at the time). Once he was done, and found out it was a lit cig in his recliner, I didn't have to worry about anything. But there was talk from his camp that he was going to sue the hell out of me and get me thrown in jail for my (cough) "heinous" actions. So yeah, never going through that kind of stress again and I've never stuck around to give anyone any info since. Upon hand off its simply: this is what happened, this is what I did, and, in medically related cases, what i think is going on... then I'm out. Bye!
@John_Smith_86
Жыл бұрын
No more bad deeds for you!
@BeaN-mn6tj
Жыл бұрын
Those are questions we would never wonder about in Europe... Seems terrible that you would refrain from helping to avoid a lawsuit!
@janetttyminski7295
Жыл бұрын
As a critical care nurse, I would not hesitate to help on in flight emergency. However, stopping at an car accident scene is a tough call. You can get hit by other vehicles while helping. Calling 911 is often the best thing to do. I carry reflective triangles to redirect traffic.
@drwalker9093
Жыл бұрын
Shortly after, write down what you did - this is good advice for lots of situations. I make notes after witnessing an accident, or anything else of consequence that might become a legal issue in the future. This has come in handy when I've been a witness in court - I think the term is "present recollection recorded" - and I can describe the details that led me to an opinion. The rest of this is a long description of two cases where this came in handy. TLDR: Notes are a good idea. In one case, I noted a car behind me using a following distance that was consistently less than 1 second _and_ a tendency to pull hard right when braking. I had seen that for about 7 miles before that car braked hard and veered into a pedestrian - who was thrown about 20 feet. (The pedestrian lived, but had an unstable pelvic fracture.) The court case was months later, and the prosecutor said that she had the better evidence than she could ever imagine for that case. (It wasn't just me - at the time of the crash, a power company worker was on a nearby pole, and a sheriff's deputy was on-site for traffic.) In another case, after witnessing a crash, the officer that interviewed me at the scene failed to write some details in his report. When an Asst. DA interviewed me by phone, I went to my notes, and she ended up being able to add charges of assault & battery and vehicular assault. The officer who had interviewed me ignored that I saw the passenger swing nunchucks (sp?) at pedestrians on the sidewalk, and hit a couple of kids who ran off, and that I saw the vehicle repeatedly aimed at peds - and the pedestrian that was hit was probably not just because the driver lost control. That ADA started some investigation that found the kids who had been hit and ran away, and some pedestrians that had seen the driver aiming at them. (Those guys took guilty pleas - no trial.) There have also been times that my notes have defended me from accusations, but those examples are uninteresting.
@wholeNwon
Жыл бұрын
Writing basic contemporaneous notes, dated and timed is EXCELLENT advice.
@ralphw3636
Жыл бұрын
Attorney and physician is truly an impressive accomplishment. Thank you for the video!
@Mike1614b
Жыл бұрын
"consult an attorney or marry one" lol and remember- "no good deed goes unpunished"
@bettysmith4527
Жыл бұрын
I encourage anyone to read the story about the Paramedic that assisted in a cardiac arrest either at the airport or during a flight, that paramedic had ACLS training and knew the change in defibrillation guidelines per AHA, that included no longer giving stacked defibrillator shocks, with single defibrillation delivered followed by two minutes of CPR and then a rhythm check, followed by another defibrillation if needed...etc. The AED provided by the airline or airport had not yet been reprogrammed, so it instructed the paramedic and bystanders to continue shocking in a stacked fashion up to three shocks, per old ACLS guidelines. The paramedic followed the new guidelines as trained, and not the prompts from the AED. He was sued by the window of the man who died, and she won. She sent him a gift of flowers or something else so that the Good Samaritan law would no longer be in effect, so be aware. After reading this story I am very hesitant to assist anyone, especially if others are already assisting. This happened at least a decade ago, and a year or two after the AHA changes involving defibrillation. I would strongly caution against carrying any advanced equipment, such as intubation equipment and AEDs etc, as you then become responsible if they malfunction and are not usable on the call, and honestly as a paramedic I can tell you the chances of you being able to intubate someone not in cardiac arrest, on a scene, without medications is almost zero, and as a medic if someone claiming to be a physician just shows up to my scene telling me they are going to intubate my patient, I am gonna respond with a no, because I don't know you, and intubation is within my scope of practice and RSI (depending on the area) are also within my scope of practice . If it's a cardiac arrest, the last priority is intubation, unless they arrested because of choking or airway obstruction, the focus should be on quality CPR and early defibrillation, as long as effective ventilations can be given using an oral airway and BVM! If you are a physician wanting to continue care alongside EMS, you would have to discuss that via radio or cellphone with our medical control physician, who would then decide, in conjunction with EMS personal as to whether that was warranted or needed. As usual, thanks for the video Max Anesthesia.
@lanaofficiel4042
Жыл бұрын
You are 1000 percent correct. I agree with everything that you said and I am a Nurse Practitioner also.
@ejoydv
Жыл бұрын
Why did the Good Samaritan Act no longer apply due to the flowers?
@bettysmith4527
Жыл бұрын
@@ejoydv That was considered compensation, which voids the good Samaritan act.
@l4nd3r
Жыл бұрын
@@bettysmith4527 That's absurd. wtf
@frankleiste7990
Жыл бұрын
in Germany, before getting the drivers license you need to take a first aid course. When witnessing an accident or something similar it's your duty to help, at least as good as you can. In the car there also must be a little first aid kit, with bandages and stuff. You might get up to 1 year of jail time if you didn't help.
@Harrisonsinternalmed
Жыл бұрын
I have attented to few inflight medical emergency. One time the flight attendent refused to open the medical kit siting she has to do long paper work afterwards and the other time an air hostess asked me if im a real doctor, i had to show her my licence.
@shaqattac
Жыл бұрын
I'm an EMT in Los Angeles. My teachers told me that while the good Samaritan exists and applies to us off duty. We are held to the same standards as an on duty EMT. A (minor) mistake that a normal good Samaritan could make, would not be acceptable as an EMT, even off duty. As I understand it, If it ever went to court, the judge would look at my protocols as an EMT in LA county, and if I did not act within them, it would qualify as gross negligence. We talked about a very interesting area of this as well when it comes to Narcan. Narcan is over the counter so anyone can carry it, however our protocols state you must be on duty to administer and that it cannot be on your person. Now that I'm trained to administer Narcan, it is illegal for me to do so off duty, when a non-EMT can do it with no problem. My teachers told me they had to have someone else press the shock button on an AED in the past, and that this type of legal quirk is not new.
@TheMOX125
Жыл бұрын
Old RN here. Did home health in islands area with makeshift vessels coming ashore containing all sorts of health emergencies. (This was before cell phones.) Many times along the single road performed various Good Samaritan acts hoping another driver would arrive for me to ask help to call 911…which occurred. Another time at school waiting on my son, a terminal patient collapsed next to me where the spouse begged for help. Assist arrived to help get person from vehicle to ground and I did CPR. A deputy who did school duty arrived, called for ambulance, then assisted CPR. EMTs arrived and took charge. The patient‘a child came with me and my child to the ER, where we waited for the spouse. The patient lived and was admitted to the unit. The spouse took the child. And my child and I went home. Your videos are watched with anticipation of excellence. This one was most beneficial and the remembrance of my events over 30 years ago came to fore in mind. (A note, I have required 15 surgeries and am grateful for my past anesthesiologists.)
@nailsofinterest
Жыл бұрын
We were told on school help and leave fast!!! Give no info!!
@AestheticMD1
Жыл бұрын
Great vid, I’ve had several situations here in nyc where I took control of a scene until EMS arrived and have been meaning to look up all this legal stuff 😅. Thank you!
@MaxFeinsteinMD
Жыл бұрын
I have the feeling that these types of issues aren't typically addressed in medical school. I'd always been curious, too!
@prtygrl5077
Жыл бұрын
I think "doctor" position only should provided to PhD holders. All the other low level degree holders should called by their profession. For example. Who fix mechanical things: Mechanical Engineer. Likewise, medical degree holders who fix body should be called " *Body Engineers* " or " *Body mechanics* ". There's no rational to call them "doctors". 😂💩.+.+
@LEONLOVESMUSIC
Жыл бұрын
@@prtygrl5077 grl u prty!
@autumnmoonfire3944
Жыл бұрын
@@prtygrl5077 there is actually a word, it’s “physician” there are also a ton of social and etiquette issues around the term “doctor” it can be quite a rabbit hole of information.
@DigitalAndInnovation
Жыл бұрын
Wow- this dude is great! The fact this dude has full degrees in both legal and medical is impressive! He is able to sum things up better than really anyone else. There is so much nuance and semantics with these bystander laws and rather than bogging down in well this could and maybe well if then... it sums up the points that are most important. And since it is not advice in ether feild- it is a great crash course.
@michaelfagan2086
Жыл бұрын
One slight correction (at least in NY)... you can turn the patient over to another provider consistent with any interventions you have performed are in their scope of practice. So if you have dropped an OPA and are simply ventilating a patient with a BVM, you can pass that off to an EMT, but if you have intubated the patient or performed a surgical airway you must transfer care to a paramedic or ride along.
@randomamerican3287
Жыл бұрын
Makes sense. Good to know.
@froggybug
Жыл бұрын
If you intubate you can’t pass it off to the EMT…but transfer it to a paramedic? Those are the same thing right?
@michaelfagan2086
Жыл бұрын
@@froggybug Nope, EMT is shorthand for EMT-Basic which are limited to BLS interventions so no definitive airways. Have to be at the EMT-Advanced or Paramedic levels to intubate.
@danielmorgan5401
Жыл бұрын
lmao. in what fucking world are you intubating a patient outside of your work. and no. you transfer care to the first arriving EMS unit. If some doctor tried refusing to let me work on my patient because they tubed them while out grocery shopping, they'd be leaving in handcuffs.
@michaelfagan2086
Жыл бұрын
@@danielmorgan5401 only happened once to me. Working a code at a golf course and our trauma medical director walks up. Was happy for the help. You're absolutely right, wouldn't accept it in any other circumstance.
@potato5602
Жыл бұрын
In Belgium, everyone has a legal obligation to help the person who is sick, if all you know is calling the emergency this is good too. I'm a trained first aid helper (not EMT). If I don't help someone in need, I risk more legally than someone who isn't trained. The fear of being sued after helping someone is not really a thing here.
@demoniack81
Жыл бұрын
Same here in Italy, and the driving license course includes some basic first aid training.
@potato5602
Жыл бұрын
@@demoniack81 this has recently been implemented in Belgium too.
@cntrainingcoachingcommunic5900
Жыл бұрын
@@demoniack81 same in germany: you have to do full day (9 hours of lesson) and get a first aid certificate to apply for a driving license (and a lot of driving lessons in theory and practice of course)
@prtygrl5077
Жыл бұрын
I think "doctor" position only should provided to PhD holders. All the other low level degree holders should called by their profession. For example. Who fix mechanical things: Mechanical Engineer. Likewise, medical degree holders who fix body should be called " *Body Engineers* " or " *Body mechanics* ". There's no rational to call them "doctors". 😂💩+.++...+
@Spaniard022
Жыл бұрын
Once got a handful of chocolates. Very hard turbulence on approach to our destination, overhead compartment door above me opening suddenly, unbuckled quickly, slammed the door, sat back down and fastened the seat belt again. If I did not act right there and then, the person on the other side of the aisle could get seriously injured of something fell out and it was really safe for the attendant to walk and close it. She saw what I did, smiled and later on handed me a handful of chocolates with "Sir, I think you forgot this" :)
@aldredd
Жыл бұрын
There were some interesting episodes of Bondi Rescue (an Australian show following life guards on Bondi Beach), wherein it wasn’t unusual for off duty doctors/medical professionals doctors to attempt to help with serious incidents. More often than not, the life guards would ask them to take a step back; these life guards were trained to deal with these very specific types of incidents, and trained to work well together in high stress environments. Often the doctor , whilst well intended , was ultimately a hindrance.
@deep-HouseMD
Жыл бұрын
Super interesting video Max!! I found myself in a similar situation with a random pedestrian trauma in Manhattan not too long ago. This is all great to know if that ever happens again!
@whutitdew
Жыл бұрын
What did you end up doing and what would you do different?
@MaxFeinsteinMD
Жыл бұрын
Shyam! You gotta tell me about that
@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307
Жыл бұрын
@@MaxFeinsteinMD Off course you have to fight the invalid lawsuit when the create it! so it doesnt really matter when you win in the end!
@prtygrl5077
Жыл бұрын
I think "doctor" position only should provided to PhD holders. All the other low level degree holders should called by their profession. For example. Who fix mechanical things: Mechanical Engineer. Likewise, medical degree holders who fix body should be called " *Body Engineers* " or " *Body mechanics* ". There's no rational to call them "doctors". 😂💩+.++.
@thedancingparamedic
Жыл бұрын
I'm a paramedic and my understanding is that the rule of handing off patients to providers of equal or higher level only applies when the providers are on the clock getting paid. so when I am on the clock I can transfer care of my patients to another paramedic or a nurse, NP, PA, or doctor as long as any of those people are also on the clock. I can never hand over patients to an EMT or bystander, even if the bystander is also a healthcare provider but they are off duty. but if I arrive on scene and the patient is being cared for by an off duty doctor, it is perfectly legal to take over care of the patient even though I am a less advanced provider. I guess what it boils down to is the fact that the off duty doctor has extremely limited resources at their disposal in that moment, whereas I have an entire ambulance full of ALS equipment so in that situation, I am better equipped to help the patient. if we were in the hospital however and the doctor was on duty they could not hand the patient over to me.
@DavidCiani
Жыл бұрын
My take away was that if you aren't being paid and choose help someone, you are acting as good samaritan and you just need to avoid doing something grossly negligent.
@nraynaud
Жыл бұрын
somehow the advice is the same as for laypeople, if a computer scientist steps forwards and a swiming instructor comes in, the swimming instructor is probably more current on their emergency training. And the general rule is to stay with the person until the emergency vehicle arrives and someone relieves you. I think the difference between a good samaritan doctor and the emergency vehicle is also that however appropriatethe training of the doctor is beforehand (on the emergency care to psychiatry spectrum), the vehicle has gear and a trained team in the appropriate gear, reaharsed procedures and the mindeset to do the job.
@brettlamont4965
Жыл бұрын
Being trained in first aid, doesn’t make one a dr. Just like staying overnight in motel six doesn’t either. I did save a life using first aid training using the hemlich maneuver when a guy had a hot dog stuck in his throat. I asked are you choking and do you want me to do the maneuver which he shook his head. It was a lot harder than training. In my mind, I was going to try twice then tell them to call 911. It worked. Amazing how many people were standing around.
@thomasreeves15
Жыл бұрын
In Tennessee we have the good Samaritan law that protects you against lawsuits. I'm a former CDL holder we are required to stop and assist. Although not many drivers do it
@louel9272
Жыл бұрын
I am a doctor too and it's sad that in this age of being "civilized" people have a choice of not helping someone in need, or that I have to worry about legal implications before helping someone out...
@prtygrl5077
Жыл бұрын
I think "doctor" position only should provided to PhD holders. All the other low level degree holders should called by their profession. For example. Who fix mechanical things: Mechanical Engineer. Likewise, medical degree holders who fix body should be called " *Body Engineers* " or " *Body mechanics* ". There's no rational to call them "doctors". 😂💩.+.++.+.++
@titanicexpert
Жыл бұрын
@@prtygrl5077 you are reported TROLL
@MelodiousJourney
Жыл бұрын
@@prtygrl5077This person is so jelous & frustrated Lol
@prtygrl5077
Жыл бұрын
@@titanicexpert did your reporti!ng do anything? sa!ddist 😂
@0ddSavant
Жыл бұрын
A physician and an attorney? Good lord man, doctor, Man-doctor, esquire. On a scale of Single payer system to 100% anarchy - how much do you love school? Love your content, Dr. Feinstein - you've really opened my eyes to some of the complexities faced by the good men & women who've kept me from dying while surgeons were doing whatever it is surgeons do (I'm kidding, the surgeons and nurses are awesome, also) At the very least, they've resisted the urge to take me out. Hell, none have even knicked my recurrent laryngeal nerve in the hope of a minute's peace when I awaken. Good people, all. Doing a job I can't comprehend in a needlessly complex and bafflingly money-centric environment. Have a thumbs-up while knowing I think you deserve much more Cheers!
@wholeNwon
Жыл бұрын
The "Good Samaritan" Laws were largely the results of legislatures acting after a famous "Dr. Kildare" episode on TV. Most of those states which had governors who were lawyers did not enact such laws. The reason was that removing liability creates an additional obligation to act. However, I think that the legal advice offered here was good. To date, I believe that there have been no successful suits against physicians who acted appropriately in good faith during an out of hospital emergency. Personally, I once stopped at the site of a severe auto accident late at night, identified myself to one of the police officers who told me that a pregnant woman was the victim but he was sure she was dead. I grabbed a small surgical kit from my car and rushed down the hill to the vehicle prepared to perform a C-section (not my area of expertise). Unfortunately, she had been dead for a long time and there was no possibility of fetal survival.even if the pregnancy had been more advanced. I realize that a suit would be very unlikely but I would never consign the care of a complex, at risk pt. to paramedics in an ambulance. In one such situation, I once rode with an electrically unstable pt to a major med. center and resuscitated/cardioverted/defibrillated her at least 20 times to get her on the table for cath. and then surgery. She survived and did well.
@SolomonUcko
Жыл бұрын
"The reason was that removing liability creates an additional obligation to act." How? Aren't those independent?
@andrewferguson6901
Жыл бұрын
@SolomonUcko well if you're not going to get sued, you ought to act. But if there's a danger to yourself, it's reasonable to decline
@simonexner6199
Жыл бұрын
Pretty crazy over there in the US... Here in Germany, you have to take a day of first aid lessons to get a drivers licence. The first thing we where told there: "don't be afraid to do something wrong. What do you you think could happen? The patient dying twice?". If you do not try to help or at least call the rescue (who will instruct you on what to do) when you see someone needing help, you can get pretty hefty fines or even up to a year in prison for "failure to provide assistance".
@John_Smith_86
Жыл бұрын
The patient dying with you holding the legal liability. That is the answer
@simonexner6199
Жыл бұрын
@@John_Smith_86 Well if you are not a trained professional you do not have any legal liability apart from beeing obligated to help them in the best way you know. If you do nothing, then you are probably liable. Might be a different mindset in diffrent societies.
@John_Smith_86
Жыл бұрын
@@simonexner6199 Only a few European countries implement such proactive laws. It is not the norm
@simonexner6199
Жыл бұрын
@@John_Smith_86 Well, I am happy to live in a country where in fact it is the norm ;)
@Skatejock21
Жыл бұрын
I feel like even as someone who doesn’t live in the US. It’s food for thought. I’m not a physician but he speaks quite equally on both sides. I always like to say “give with caution”. I think that also applies when someone is having a medical emergency. We have to consider things we do not know. Society needs to heed to contacting 911. A lot of people talk poorly about reality tv but once I heard on one of their shows. That if a person is laying down, you must be carful of their neck. Depending on the situation. As you don’t know if they broke their neck or strained it. A lot of people don’t think of legal ramifications when it comes to medical emergencies as a Samaritan. Which I believe people need to be more careful of paying attention too.
@prtygrl5077
Жыл бұрын
I think "doctor" position only should provided to PhD holders. All the other low level degree holders should called by their profession. For example. Who fix mechanical things: Mechanical Engineer. Likewise, medical degree holders who fix body should be called " *Body Engineers* " or " *Body mechanics* ". There's no rational to call them "doctors". 😂💩+.+.+
@ReclusiveMountainMan
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, just recently found a guy who was OD on Fentanyl and I was as close as one can get to performing CPR. Thankfully he started breathing (1 breath every 30-45 seconds), and I didn't have to start chest compressions. Called 911. Paramedics got there and delivered Narcan. I was wearing an N95, but no face shield and no gloves. PPE is def something I will carry from now on. At least an N95 and face shield in the day of COVID.
@harismohammad2005
Жыл бұрын
Well done but 1 breath every 30-45 seconds is not effective breathing, so CPR would still be needed. Sometimes patients may present as breathing where their actually breathing agonally. When we’re looking for effective breathing it should be at least one breath every ten seconds and a regular rising and falling of the chest or breaths. You did amazing regardless and we all are learning.
@ReclusiveMountainMan
Жыл бұрын
@@harismohammad2005 Appreciate the input and encouragement. Guy had a strong pulse and his color was surprisingly good, despite not visually breathing. I'm guessing he had just OD'd, and I had made the call to emergency services, immediately. Would have started chest compressions if I did not see him breathe or noticed his heart wasn't beating. Instead I made sure his airway was open and unobstructed, which it was. Paramedics arrived and bagged him while giving him narcan. In this case, no CPR and a quick response time with the narcan saved a life. Paramedics did not perform CPR either.
@GeorgeDaymondLush
Жыл бұрын
I love Max's posts and I particularly liked this one. I'm 79 ½ and have always been interested in medicine so when I learned to drive aged 17 I used to carry 6 x 1ml ¼ gr ampules of morphine sulphate (lets go with 15 mg if you find that easier). I had a glass and metal syringe in an old Alka Seltzer glass tube submerged in methylated spirit. I never got to use them. Remnants of my father's last days of stroke treatment. Oddly enough the local bobby knew I had them in my car but it was Wales and it was the late 1950s.
@prtygrl5077
Жыл бұрын
I think "doctor" position only should provided to PhD holders. All the other low level degree holders should called by their profession. For example. Who fix mechanical things: Mechanical Engineer. Likewise, medical degree holders who fix body should be called " *Body Engineers* " or " *Body mechanics* ". There's no rational to call them "doctors". 😂💩.++.+++
@redcrafterlppa303
Жыл бұрын
00:40 in Germany that's a state law. It's called "unterlassene Hilfeleistung" (Failure to provide assistance) and it's punished with up to 1 year in prison or a hefty fine. The idea is that when someone is about to die you can't make it worse. (of cause it only applies if you do not need to endanger yourself while rescuing)
@jamieknight326
Жыл бұрын
A few years back I was in the US with a friend and we witnessed a cyclist get hit by an SUV… We helped, nothing huge, basic first aid, recovery position and whatnot. I was amazed by how folks just stood around staring. No one called emergency service and no one offered to help. One of the onlookers asked my friend if he was an EMT / paramedic. He was rather busy and replied with ‘no. I’m British’ Was a very strange day. It worked out okay in the end and the cyclist was able to recover.
@wholeNwon
Жыл бұрын
"No, I'm a human being."
@Unionhawk73
Жыл бұрын
Definitely an interesting note on the "hand off to someone with higher training" advice, that probably assumes that it's mostly going to be a lay person handing a patient off to an ambulance crew and then to an emergency room, but not always
@prtygrl5077
Жыл бұрын
I think "doctor" position only should provided to PhD holders. All the other low level degree holders should called by their profession. For example. Who fix mechanical things: Mechanical Engineer. Likewise, medical degree holders who fix body should be called " *Body Engineers* " or " *Body mechanics* ". There's no rational to call them "doctors". 😂💩+++.+.
@stevenslater2669
Жыл бұрын
I was on a flight returning to the U.S. from Japan. Seated across the aisle from me was an American businessman who suffered a heart attack about 8 hours into the flight. The flight attendant broke out the plane’s medical kit, put an oxygen mask on the patient and called over the plane’s p/a system , asking if there were any doctors on board. The plane was a 747 with 400+ passengers aboard, so odds were good there would be. We were in the Business Class on the second deck. The doctor came upstairs from Tourist seating. He was very casually dressed (looked like he was from the plumbing supply department of Home Depot…). The doctor got right to work, determined the man was indeed having a coronary and told the flight attendant to tell the captain to land the plane at the first airport near a decent-size city. We landed in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. An EMT crew was on the plane within minutes of our landing and took the patient off the plane in an “aisle chair”. Then we sat for hours with the flight crew filling out paperwork, etc. of course, we passengers were stuck on the plane because Canadian Customs wasn’t prepared to handle 400 passengers. Made for a long trip.
@jordankelly9206
Жыл бұрын
Disclaimer. Legal advice in the US only. In the UK you can loose your license to practice as a medic or a nurse for not helping in an emergency
@rkolsen
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been a patient at John’s Hopkins. One time I found their nursing manual online when they’d offer laptops to patients because guest WiFi sucked. If your not in the hospital proper (all buildings are connected) you’re supposed to call 911 although a code team could be there in 5 minutes. If someone has issues in the parking lot or on the sidewalk (even if out of the ED) they’re to call 911. I assume calling 911 for outpatient, garage or sidewalk building issues are counted for statistics.
@JimAllen-Persona
Жыл бұрын
That's interesting - I always thought that doctors (MD's) should fly free with the expectation that they would be expected to assist in the case of a medical emergency - would have to only be life threatening though. But that opens a can of worms - someone has chest pain - doctor on board rules it out - and they have a major Infarct. Now that doctor is on the hook.
@nathanas64
3 ай бұрын
Quite impressive to have both an MD and JD!
@johne1653
Жыл бұрын
As 911 Paramedic I had run into all levels of medical providers who were "unintended" first responders. And, a few times we recognized the MD or PA-C/NP. And, if we did not recognize them we had a card we carried that had printed instructions by our Medical Director. Which in the readers digest version stated if the unintended provider wished to issue orders that they would have to accompany the patient to the ER and relay information to the ER Doc (our Medical Control Doc). That usually had them backing off. But if it was someone we recognized we embraced their input. The problem with unintended first responders....is that they are out of their element. I have witnessed "Clinic" nurses doing CPR Compressions so fast that well. Best cluster in motion was call to an allergy clinic. A patient being tested had full blown anaphylactic reaction. We go into the clinic and well there was a Crash Cart present with several physicians in the room doing a whole lot of nothing.....and RN/LPN staff...trying to prompt the docs into action...NO EPI NO Benadryl, etc. worst of off al her lips were BLUE. Like my first paramedic partner said....What is paramedic without ALS Supplies Equipment? = you become Basic EMT without equipment so you have to improvise. Rolled up magazines make great splints. Take a door off the hinges and add towels and duct tape...Back board!.
@opusthe2nd
Жыл бұрын
Scariest thing to hear when on scene is; "Move over, I'm a nurse, I can help". :)
@johne1653
Жыл бұрын
@@opusthe2nd Don't you know it. I once had Nursing Professor from a College west of St. Cloud MN try to tell my partner that is not how you give drugs.....she probably had not touched a patient in years. The funniest one was a gentleman attending the local hospital fund raising event suffered an event. Once of the ICU nurses from the local hospital ripped her skirt purposely so she could get down and do compressions. She just smiled and kept on going.......and when we left with the patient we gave her one of the blankets off the cot to wrap up in. God Bless those that try to help. But, sometimes you have to know your limitations!
@ThorackNT
Жыл бұрын
This was of course very focused on the US. For the in-flight setting implications may be very different once you look at it from an international level. I wonder which law would be applied while in the air (start of flight, destination, transient?). In Germany there is an obligation to help within the limits of ones ability. For a lay person, this can mean as little as calling an ambulance, for a trained medical professional standards expect are much higher.
@selgeaus
Жыл бұрын
Since this is a global platform, you may want to include a disclaimer at the part where the lawyer says call 911 as emergency numbers are different in each country.
@BobbNaef
Жыл бұрын
I treated a guy with a heart attack in First Class on a flight. The plane had a fully stocked med box 02 everything i would need to treat a heart attack in the air. I had no idea they even had that. I called my command line physician i am a paramedic btw. The doc that handles my service answered the phone made a comment about you’re even a shit magnet at 37000 feet and said go ahead and treat him. Ivdid just that. Pilot came out ofcthe flight deck and i said we need to land asap we were landing at Nashville i said someone needs to call Vanderbilt Lifeflight and have them close by the tarmac When we landed Vandy came onboard took the guy to Vanderbilt he had a quadruple bypass and lived another 10 years I was concerned about the legal ramifications so before i treated him i did get a command consult. Since that happened United, American Spirit and Delta Airlines have started a command service with that hospital for command physicians to provide medical command to medically trained employees or passengers on the airline.
@pstevenson6973
Жыл бұрын
I am a physician and have rendered aid many times. I have never been compensated in any way. I have even been sought out in my seat to render aid to a medical situation for which I had no expertise. Given the doctor being forbidden to use the club level lavatory to clean up gives me pause.
@RetroGamerTy
Жыл бұрын
Great vid! I’m in school now for a DNP and Bioethics certificate and these ethical situations are always interesting to mull over but we have to remember the legal ramifications in real life situations. And just bought Dr Appel’s book - looking forward to reading it!
@prtygrl5077
Жыл бұрын
I think "doctor" position only should provided to PhD holders. All the other low level degree holders should called by their profession. For example. Who fix mechanical things: Mechanical Engineer. Likewise, medical degree holders who fix body should be called " *Body Engineers* " or " *Body mechanics* ". There's no rational to call them "doctors". 😂💩+.+.
@normangoldstuck8107
Жыл бұрын
I've been flying since the 60's and curiously there have been far fewer calls than before. In the '70's there were on average 3-5 physicians responding to calls on 747's. We would take a quick poll after meeting and decide who was most suitable. 3 days after 9/11 I was on a Continental 777 and was the only physician on board, in business class and was called to see someone collapsed in the back. It was touch and go who had consumed more alcohol. After discussion I went into the cockpit and spoke to their medical personnel and the flight continued. I no longer do clinical work so I consider myself exempt other than to offer general advice if asked.
@rkalle66
Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that on a plane the legislation matters the plane is flying with. On an international Lufthansa flight you have to follow German rules. And Germany has a duty to give fist aid as best as you can as long as you're not putting yourself in danger.
@daohanlu6494
Жыл бұрын
OMG!! I was just wondering about almost the same thing an hour ago! I saw a video on KZitem yesterday about an airline captain passing out soon after take-off and ending up expiring a day later. It took the other pilot a good amount of time to land the plane so the captain just sit in his seat unconsciously (and probably not breathing) for maybe half an hour. Then I started to think if some anesthesia providers happened to be on the plane with a Mapleson circuit and a face mask, he at least wouldn't die of apnea (given that the passenger plane almost always has an oxygen tank and a suction unit). Then I started to worry about the legal implications of these interventions since I am not a physician anesthesiologist and legally is not allowed to provide anesthesia-related care without supervision...
@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648
Жыл бұрын
Maybe CPR or the older mouth to mouth resuscitation would be a more realistic expectation? The problem is that in flight, the cockpit cannot be opened to the passenger area due to modern terrorism countermeasures. The poor guy was stuck in the cockpit with the only other person in the cockpit -- the copilot -- busy flying and landing the airplane. The only saving grace might be a third pilot riding along.
@amateurmusica
Жыл бұрын
BVM and suction are BLS/EMT skills. You're fine
@neilanleveque8490
Жыл бұрын
One of the funniest images popped into my mind... Since you are an anesthesiologist, I was imagining an ambulance crew pulling up to a scene and already seeing the patient intubated and ventilated, IVs started, etc 🤣
@MrLump
Жыл бұрын
I’m a computer science major, but this will help me out when I preform kidney extraction next time they call out for a doctor.
@zionisalive_
Жыл бұрын
Not a doctor, don’t even wanna be a doctor, but this clearly is necessary information for me
@simonf8902
Жыл бұрын
Flying Hawaiian to Honolulu I was asked to help with several passengers who were unwell. I’m an ED Doc in Australia. I stabilized them. Yet on arrival in Honolulu I was completely ignored by Emergency services and sat waiting with all the other passengers. Offensive.
@rlkinnard
Жыл бұрын
When I helped someone on United, worrying about a PE, suggested that he go directly to the ER, I got 0 compensation. I got the guy's phone number and called to check that he was ok and found that he had pneumonia which surprised me.
@Bigsauce7593
Жыл бұрын
Very informative and helpful video. First year medical student, not an american citizen but receiving american training. Saving this to reference later
@ccziv
Жыл бұрын
Jacob Appel is my favorite human being. 😊
@johnswanson2600
Жыл бұрын
I'm a Paramedic. For all the doctors and nurses out there: Yes, please help the patient. Yes, please identify yourself to us. Please don't try to give us orders, they may conflict with our agency's Standard Operating Guidelines or Protocols.
@spartlow8872
Жыл бұрын
No shade on you, @JohnSwanson, but paramedics- please recognize *us.* The worst time for me was when I was with a motorcycle rider victim (full disclosure: against my 'instructions,' my partner opened the front passenger door while we were stopped at a light and the lane-splitting biker ran into it. Thankfully she hadn't exited yet). I identified myself as trauma center PA to the patient, brief assessment without removing helmet, determined fractured clavicle (pretty obvious) and indeterminate injury to a couple of fingers. When EMS arrived I was ignored, and yep - to backboard him they rolled him onto his fractured clavicle. That was they only time he screamed on scene. -- I get it, not all providers are similarly competent, especially not out in the streets. Doesn't take long to hear them out - seconds to determine if they have any useful info.
@johnswanson2600
Жыл бұрын
@@spartlow8872 Oh absolutely. As EMS we need to listen to bystanders or witnesses, often while doing other things. A hand off report from a Healthcare provider on scene is always welcome. Bossing me around -not that you were bossing anyone around- never is, that's all I mean. Just as an example: I wouldn't backboard a motorcycle accident today because of the risk of aggrevating other injuries and it's not required by my protocols. I'd use a scoop stretcher so we don't have to roll the patient at all.
@prtygrl5077
Жыл бұрын
I think "doctor" position only should provided to PhD holders. All the other low level degree holders should called by their profession. For example. Who fix mechanical things: Mechanical Engineer. Likewise, medical degree holders who fix body should be called " *Body Engineers* " or " *Body mechanics* ". There's no rational to call them "doctors". 😂💩.+.+..
@kjhart91
Жыл бұрын
I mean...If we were there first and have assumed care then idk what you are hung up about. It is our role in medicine to coordinate roles and make medical decisions. I understand this may come from some nuanced scenario you have in mind, but it's coming across like you don't want a doctor telling you medically what to do. Sorry, but it's kind of our job to give medical orders.
@johnswanson2600
Жыл бұрын
@@kjhart91 again a hand off including the results of an assessment and treatments preformed is always welcome. But regarding orders; we have orders. That's what we have protocols and medical control physicians for.
@reginaangell5327
Жыл бұрын
I think everyone should carry an emergency kit with them particularly in their car. Mine has sterile gauze, different sizes including sterile i.v. gauze the soft 2x2's, sterile ophthalmic bacitracin and regular bacitracin, sterile betadine q-tips, adhesive tape, sterile q-tips, Steri-strips*, sterile alcohol wipes, an eye-mask, scissors not used on anything else, water, Gatorade, 20g protein bars, a flashlight, an emergency blanket, bandaids* Eliquis. I need to put a pulse oximeter in there too.
@noodlesthe1st
Жыл бұрын
Does the standard of gross negligence apply as a bystander standard or as a health care professional standard? For example for my job in a hospital I am required to be BLS CPR certified but in my job we will pretty much never perform this. So if I forget my training and mess up the CPR on a random person will I be held to gross negligence because as a health care professional it is within my scope of practice to be able to perform this CPR.
@MisFellatio
Жыл бұрын
How badly can you screw up CPR? The person may die, but they primary cause is the condition. Its hard or impossible to proof death was caused by faulty CPR. You might break some ribs, but this is a common complication of CPR, not negligence.
@noodlesthe1st
Жыл бұрын
@@MisFellatio The worst thing off the top of my head is giving cpr to someone who is breathing and has a pulse or giving an infant adult cpr. But I just mean it as an example. If I am supposed to know better because of my profession will I be held to that standard? All I do is take pictures. I don't know how to save a life for shit.
@DavidCiani
Жыл бұрын
The gross negligence standard applys to everyone, but the "you should have known better" factor increases proportionally with training.
@John_Smith_86
Жыл бұрын
Possibly. That is for the jury to decide
@ajessm
Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the discussion. It clarified a few contentious situations and medical responses. The book looks like interesting reading. Look forward to reading it.
@devastatheseeker9967
Жыл бұрын
My mother works for a first aid company and while she isn't legally required to assist someone her job contract says she has to.
@jorge-lp2xi
Жыл бұрын
I don't understand something.. the statement "it's no legal nor medical advice".. you're a doctor and Dr Appel is a layer and you both are shooting a video literally advising what to do in which situation. So a question maybe for Dr Appel would be.. does saying that really protects the content creator?
@pegaseg70
Жыл бұрын
It means that they are not your doctor or your attorney
@MaxFeinsteinMD
Жыл бұрын
As @Pégase G indicated, these statements mean that we are not providing legal or medical advice in the capacity of being your attorney or physician.
@jorge-lp2xi
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Reelunique
Жыл бұрын
As a Flight Attendant we only ask for licensed medical professionals otherwise we are trained to provide CPR and basic emergency response. No doctor or nurse will ever have legal implications however…there is a thing called Medlink which the pilots contact and automatically overrides anything the doctor actually helping says. Flight Attendants have to follow advice from medlink or we are liable.
@brunerguy1
Жыл бұрын
This guy gives such great and balanced advice. Thanks.
@puddincakes1005
Жыл бұрын
Just started the audio version of his book. It’s super interesting! I’m not a healthcare professional, but someone who finds medicine super interesting, and it’s still intriguing.
@lovedfriend2020
5 ай бұрын
Lot of copies on my/his grandmother's shelf lol That was funny he put that in :) Proud grandmother
@chuckmaddison2924
Жыл бұрын
My sister here in Western Australia when studying/training was told don't get involved.
@swicheroo1
Жыл бұрын
Regarding your scenario about plane emergency: That happened on a winter flight, when I was a professor. Nobody on board had any medical training. But many assumed I did. "Sorry. I'm a doctor. But not that kind of doctor." We ended up doing an emergency landing in Memphis.
@akiraxkio
Жыл бұрын
In Germany if you work in the medical field as doctors or nurses or if you are learning to work as one you have to stop and help. The only exception to this rule is if you are caring for your child. For example, if you are driving with your child in your car, you are exempted from having to leave your car to provide assistance because you are not supposed to leave your child unattended. Every car in Germany has to legally carry a first aid kit so that you can provide help. The policy can check if you have your kit and if everything is up to date, not expired. If they find that something is missing you will get fined.
@RN-bl1ol
Жыл бұрын
A lawyer and a doctor My God!!!!!! His head is still the same size as anyone's
@vampiregoat69
Жыл бұрын
If I see someone in need I CAN'T just walk away and ignore it.
@just2botheru
Жыл бұрын
This applies for nurses too, or at least my school in PA taught us about the Samaritan Law.
@prtygrl5077
Жыл бұрын
I think "doctor" position only should provided to PhD holders. All the other low level degree holders should called by their profession. For example. Who fix mechanical things: Mechanical Engineer. Likewise, medical degree holders who fix body should be called " *Body Engineers* " or " *Body mechanics* ". There's no rational to call them "doctors". 😂💩.++++.+
@titanicexpert
Жыл бұрын
@@prtygrl5077 I call you a hussie gfy troll
@acaciawilliams9015
Жыл бұрын
So, I'd be really worried I'd end up in a half- rescue situation. I have severe phobias about needles, blood, and vomit and just generally major anxiety in emergency situations. If a situation changed to involve my phobia triggers or I started to have a panic attack in general, I would no longer be able to help. And in the example of the swimmer, I have always heard that a drowning, panicking person may well inadvertently drown the person trying to help. I might try to help and realize we're both likely to drown, which helps no one.
@juliaf_
Жыл бұрын
Water rescue is extremely dangerous without any training, and sketchy without adequate equipment. Depending on the waters, it may not be worth even trying to help unless you've got some sort of flotation device. If they're panicking, you're dead without one unless you're well trained.
@morbo3000
Жыл бұрын
Agreed, a water rescue is extremely hazardous and should not be attempted unless you were trained as a lifeguard or similar, and proper equipment is available. I think it was just used as an example of what a half-rescue could be.
@sarowie
Жыл бұрын
"if in doubt" call 911, explain the situation and ask for advice. If they say to do something and you respond with "I do not think I am able", what are they going to do?
@MassivePonyFan
Жыл бұрын
The captions when he says Mount Cyanide. Gold right there.
@davidh9844
Жыл бұрын
Internal Medicine here, Sinai residency, and I have had so many incidents on planes, I've lost count. My first rule, screw the lawyers, screw the law if need be. The patient's life comes first in my book. You want to sue me, let me tell it to the jury! I carry my own stethoscope whenever I travel. You can't hear a damn thing using the toy the airlines carry in their emergency first aid kit. Next, never be afraid to ask to speak to the captain directly. If someone is sick, or looks REALLY sick, that plane needs to land, ASAP, regardless of your field of training or degree of training. I had an incident of chest pains once on my way to London, a major battle with Medical in Houston about opening the on board defibrillator so I could get a hint of an EKG tracing (Continental Airlines, pre merger, they said "NO!" (The excuse was that the unit might be needed for an emergency on board.) After I hung up the phone, I advised the chief purser to hand me the kit, I opened it, the tracing was not good, and I advised everyone that I was a dangerous criminal and have me arrested after we landed. We were at the point of "no return", London was closer than Halifax, we went on. To make a long story short, I stayed with my patient during the flight, unable to do anything other than give him a borrowed aspirin, I gave my medical report to EMS immediately upon landing, and got a very warm thank you from Continental, which I never flew again. Final point, I am retired, fully licensed, and pay a $100. medical malpractice premium for $1/3 million dollar coverage for good Samaritan work. One of the best ways to make money thanks to lawyers is to sue your American doctor.
@Rosie-yt8nd
Жыл бұрын
In most, if not all, european countries there is a law that roughly translates to "failure to provide assistence". what that means is you cannot see a person obviously hurt and just go on. Now it doesnt mean you need to put yourself in danger or get handsy. while things like cpr is encouraged, the law means you are required to call 911 (that will get this person help). if yu just go on without doing anything you can be charged. The intention is the hurt person can get care as fast as possible and doesnt go unnoticed. Time is a big factor in how well a person can be treated. As far as how liable you are when you help, its pretty much the same as in the video. If you do it to the best of your knowledge, you are not liable. People tend to be hesitant in performin cpr for example so during first aid class the teachers often say "its worse to do nothing than be afraid of doing the wrong thing"
@sah1981
Жыл бұрын
In my country we are obligated to respond in such situations. Except if we are sleeping and did not hear. The thing people fail to understand is that we are responsible for every act, and can be penalized and sued, even if I am of a speciality that don't deal with emergencys. It IS an act of bravery and I am risking myself and my license by trying to help. I do not expect to be paid for it, BUT I expect that the patient understands that I am doing what I can, and the airline to at least be thoughtful (or hire a doctor to be at every flight)
@funlightfactory6031
Жыл бұрын
Jacob was awesome. I'll have to take a look at his book. I really enjoyed this video. Thanks.
@Soeia.ElliotClark
Жыл бұрын
I used to have to ask on every flight I went on for a while.
@emilysmith6897
Жыл бұрын
Signs that the US is a doomed dystopian wasteland: Doc: I was saving someone's life in the middle of the road and started wondering "is this legal?" Lawyer: You don't have to save anyone you find dying in the middle of the road.
@dikl6949
Жыл бұрын
Interesting how different countries handle this. In germany you are obligated to help, and you must have a first aid kit in your car, the police can and will control that if they stop you, if don't or it's too old f you'll be fined.You also must have a warning sign. You'll have to take a first responders course to get a drivers license. Liability is equally handled to the samaritan law, and you don't have to help if it endangers yourself. So if you witness a car accident the steps are: activate your warning lights so other drivers see somethings wrong, check if anybodys hurt, if so immediately call the emergency number (110 in germany, i think it's 911 in the USA) , if the victims are in grave danger act accordingly, else first secure the location by setting up your warning sign (about 50-100 meters from the accident). If there are other people on site delegate those jobs, dont expect them to act on their own! Most people panic and hope somebody else will do something. And please, even if it's not mandatory, take a first responders course, and refresh it every few years, it's just two days and can literally save lives!
@missamanda2703
Жыл бұрын
Also, please tell people mouth to mouth in no longer a part of CPR unless you know there is in a drowning situation. Then please try to use a air way protector. I'm a volunteer, ems also, so I carry my trama bag with me.
@C05597641
Жыл бұрын
Im a hospital laboratory technician and I always carry a chemistry analsyer with me for when I see someone on the side of the road. 10 to 40 mins later, "It seems you have problems my friend." Bye!
@lillyofboca
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your wonderful videos. I am having major surgery in February and you are educating me on what to except. I’m still very scared since this is new to me. Thanks
@prtygrl5077
Жыл бұрын
I think "doctor" position only should provided to PhD holders. All the other low level degree holders should called by their profession. For example. Who fix mechanical things: Mechanical Engineer. Likewise, medical degree holders who fix body should be called " *Body Engineers* " or " *Body mechanics* ". There's no rational to call them "doctors". 😂💩++..+
@jackthomas9736
Жыл бұрын
In the state of Florida if a doctor is on scene providing care to a patient, they legally have to go in the ambulance and to the ER with the paramedics or else they can be charged with abandonment.
@missamanda2703
Жыл бұрын
I don't tell anyone I am a licensed nurse if I ever have administrated cpr on. We were in Wisconsin for the duck drowning.
@tdgdbs1
Жыл бұрын
You open your life and your license to scrutity; I've rendered help in Mexico on multiple occasions but will never in the US or Canada.
@amritanshurath7210
Жыл бұрын
one of the most interesting interviews!! Great work!!
@sunder1983
Жыл бұрын
This was one of your best videos. Great idea
@aleximalmgren5301
Жыл бұрын
I'm not a medical but I like medical romance novels . Its always a married couples either a pair of doctors or Doctor/Nurse on their honeymoon ( often in Paris so laws would be different there ) . Somebody takes bad they get involved .
@Indigo00eyez
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@henrih3080
Жыл бұрын
Did not know about the law in the USA before because I am living in Germany. We have a completely different law for situations as described in this video.
@JV-pu8kx
Жыл бұрын
The U.S. needs to extend the Good Samaritan, or Duty to Assist, laws: if you are late to work because you stopped to help someone, it does not count against you towards getting fired.
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