Since there are a lot of comments about the X3D Core affinity: I know that I can manually fix it with tools like process lasso but that's no adequate solution. Only if we point out issues like that, they will be fixed eventually. Publishers, AMD and Microsoft have to update their Games/Windows/BIOS/Chipset so it works out of the box. You have to keep in mind that the average gamer probably has no idea about things like that and that he might not get the full performance.
@RAZGR1Z
6 ай бұрын
I understand but it's kind of a lazy comparison then. The KS products are a chore to review already, so I get why you wouldn't want to take the time ( which you stated multiple times in the video that you had no time for this review ) to get the 7950X3D to work as intended. At that point you may as well not include it in the graphs. Just say that you couldn't get it working correctly at the beginning.
@kosmosyche
6 ай бұрын
@@RAZGR1Z So you don't understand then. Read again what der8auer wrote.
@alphaLONE
6 ай бұрын
hopefully AMD fixes that because it's insane that it's been out for more than a year now and it's still behaving badly
@georgewhite5794
6 ай бұрын
400w to thermal throttle the think. Is useless
@Tuhar
6 ай бұрын
@@RAZGR1Z I agree with Der8auer here, if I buy a 7950x3d so that I can game mostly and render occasionally (my real-world scenario), I don't want to have to use process lasso to control what cores the games are running on. I would if its a game that I'm playing heavily and seriously care about, but what I'd like is for the system to do this automatically. Pointing out these failures and making AMD look bad (even if they aren't technically worse) inspires more development time towards fixing these issues, and everyone benefits as a result. You can also squeeze out more performance by minimizing background processes running and chasing lower total system latency by doing a bunch of permanent process scheduling to move core system processes and interrupts to the non-highest boosting cpu cores, but it really does approach being way too much work to be reasonably acceptable. If we pressure Microsoft to make Windows behave like this by default, it saves individual work for consumers and brings benefit to everyone at the same time. What we really need is more exposure to these kinds of issues from major content producers, like Der8auer is doing here, with community support showing that these are real issues that people care about.
@MIBxSpartan
6 ай бұрын
For the 7950X3D you need to make sure your Xbox app and Microsoft store apps are all updated. Once you do that you can hit the shortcut Windows Key + G and it comes up with the game bar. In the settings wheel in game bar you can select this is a game and the game will now set to be ran only on the Vcache cores. I have had to do that with only new games that I guess haven't been added to the list in the driver yet, but this is the way to fix it.
@der8auer-en
6 ай бұрын
Very interesting, I didn't know that :) Thank you for that comment! The question is how many average Gamers would know about that. In the end always better if the CPU or driver does it by itself
@MIBxSpartan
6 ай бұрын
@@der8auer-en Its drove me crazy for a while until I found a reddit post talking about making sure the game bar was updated and that you can set specific applications as "remember this is a game" in it. It is not the most elegant solution but does the job.
@Poo_Garden
6 ай бұрын
Kind of ridiculous in this day and age that consumers have to figure out something that should be so simple... Or at least ahould be instructed to the end user.
@yarost12
6 ай бұрын
@@Poo_Garden I'm pretty sure you are instructed, you just didn;t read it
@TheAtomoh
6 ай бұрын
So Microsoft being Microsoft
@jaredteng509
6 ай бұрын
400Watts CPU + 450Watts GPU = 1HP AC just to counter the heat. :D
@username8644
6 ай бұрын
+ 200w from RGB (not even an exaggeration at this point)
@marcogenovesi8570
6 ай бұрын
Just put the whole case outside the window. Big brain move
@Gatorade69
6 ай бұрын
@@username8644I hate RGB.
@kimnice
6 ай бұрын
Luckily in my country one needs heating for 98% of time every year. When one doesn't need heating.. one doesn't want to stay at the computer anyways
@TwinkleTutsies
6 ай бұрын
@@marcogenovesi8570 Yeah, screw the planet! I like it.
@ChipoltleXD
6 ай бұрын
Cats everywhere will love sitting on top of pcs running this. The ultimate cat warmer.
@MoonRegolith
5 ай бұрын
400w is kind of a fur burner though if they fall asleep on that! With a GPU that's in the territory of many space heaters.
@crobar1
6 ай бұрын
It's impressive how much less the 7950x3D is consuming while almost at the same performance
@mazuiface
6 ай бұрын
Whats even more impressive is the 7800X3D, yet its not in these charts for some odd reason. It does even better in games.
@HenrySomeone
6 ай бұрын
It's very finicky with scheduling though just like mentioned in the video. For primarily gaming, the 7800x3d is a much better choice.
@SentaDuck
6 ай бұрын
@@HenrySomeone You could use something like Process Lasso to manually control what cores are being used, but this might require experimenting with what works best for each game and many people just want it to work right straight out the box. Still, if you know what you're doing and have the patience you could make the most out of the 7950X3D. There are some games that will use more than 8 cores when things get more demanding, which could make the 7950X3D better than the 7800X3D, especially on the percentile lows which is where you will more likely be CPU limited.
@ZackSNetwork
6 ай бұрын
The 7950x3d is a garbage CPU that cuts its cores in half.
@ABaumstumpf
6 ай бұрын
Why? It is not really surprising that a CPU that has a abysmal but extreme auto-overclock applied will have bad efficiency.
@MaxNakfoor
6 ай бұрын
This feels like 14nm+++++++++++ all over again. We're on the 4th edition of this CPU.
@DigitalJedi
6 ай бұрын
Intel 7 node is being wrung for everything it has here. Arrow Lake dropping all the way to 20A (double node shrink) is going to save so much compared to this. Rumors are that PL2 might be reduced from 253W to around 177W for the Ultra 9 290K (15900K).
@kendokaaa
6 ай бұрын
@@DigitalJedi Although it remains to be seen what kind of clocks they manage. They had a huge problem when going from 14nm to 10nm where 10nm just didn't clock high enough to beat 14nm early on
@DigitalJedi
5 ай бұрын
@karl5010 oh shit it's down to 177? Dang. Gotta keep up to date on my leaks I guess.
@eliadbu
6 ай бұрын
Last time I was that early, CPUs didn't double as furnaces.
@141menace
6 ай бұрын
@@arudanel5542 by "this winter" u mean in like 9months where better cpus has come out? lmao
@puciohenzap891
6 ай бұрын
Still not as bad as 20 years ago with the P4 Extreme Edition that wouldn't downclock and always run hot.
@FloppaAppreciationSociet-ds7zf
6 ай бұрын
@@puciohenzap891 CPUs were a lot lower-power back then, the coolers just sucked compared to what we have now. Put a P4 under a modern tower and it'll barely get hot at all.
@kramnull8962
5 ай бұрын
1.5 years later Gamers nexus and this dude are still fighting the 7950x3d to make it run. We Intel guys slammed our processor off the table and caught it on the motherboard locked it in and haven't looked back!
@benjaminsmekens2344
5 ай бұрын
@@kramnull8962 Except you have to put it in a contact frame so it actually makes proper contact with the cooler, but keep on dreaming 🙂
@finnmyster95
6 ай бұрын
Gotta also select "remember this is a game" on the x3d in gamebar settings
@kramnull8962
5 ай бұрын
Is there a "this is a PC" setting in bios?
@ktvx.94
5 ай бұрын
7950X3D: "look what they need to mimic a fraction of my power!"
@jankees4037
5 ай бұрын
Overclocked and fine tuned Intel still blows the AMD ones into oblivion. My 13700K is running so smoothly and high all core overclocked, it beats AMD any day.
@bogganalseryd2324
6 ай бұрын
This cpu is a joke imho. 400W to barely beat AMD. wow. 😮
@marcogenovesi8570
6 ай бұрын
This is Intel's Bulldozer
@innovationiq
6 ай бұрын
KS = building your home near a river and diverting waterflow to your loop. Just make sure to install those fish barriers.
@dakoderii4221
5 ай бұрын
That sounds like a future LTT episode.
@halflife82
5 ай бұрын
42,650pts in r23 on my 6.2ghz overclocked 14900k @ 360w. 💪
@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster
5 ай бұрын
Nice.
@toonnut1
5 ай бұрын
My 13900kf get over 42k @5.7p 45e I'm convinced these new 14 gen cpu's are showing 6+ ghz but are equivalent to around 5.7/5.8 on the 13 gen i9
@M00_be-r
6 ай бұрын
the 7800X3D still reigns in gaming ;-)
@KernalPanics
6 ай бұрын
Ys and here I am with my 7800x3d pulling 85 watts.
@Ladioz
6 ай бұрын
I'm still using my 5800X3D 😊
@Boogie_the_cat
6 ай бұрын
Fanboyism is dangerous. Both companies have different use cases to offer, and "choosing a side" just means that you will blindly defend your "side" even when they do bad things. Don't choose sides, it harms your objectiveness. Lying to oneself is a result of fanboyism, and you just don't help anyone like that.
@user-cz9jf1ec8s
6 ай бұрын
@@Boogie_the_cat AMD OR DEATH!!!
@M00_be-r
6 ай бұрын
@extracurricularkitty3605 it s just stating a fact nothing more or less it s dangerous to read something and apply your own wishes to it! I really hope you have a learning moment reading this comment and have a great day!
@ronny332
6 ай бұрын
A CPU that shouldn't exist. Period. Thanks for testing!
@afre3398
6 ай бұрын
Why are you saying this. The 14900KS is the working golden samples of the Intel series binned as 8 P cores and 16 E cores CPUs. It is not a new CPU but the result of binning. I can accept that this CPU is kind of pointless. But at the same time Intel know two things. One it is a market for this CPU. And people are willing to pay premium for this CPU. So why not cash in on that fact
@blakkwaltz
6 ай бұрын
The cpu is perfectly fine. This is one of dumbest comments I've seen in a while.
@basshead.
6 ай бұрын
@@afre3398 So true. It's for hardcore overclockers.
@LudwigHorsecock
6 ай бұрын
@@blakkwaltz🤣🤣🤣
@aaronb9630
6 ай бұрын
What are overclockers going to play with then? This chip is going to set new records.
@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt
6 ай бұрын
No Mr Bond, I don't expect you make a video without your script!
@CyberDunk2077
6 ай бұрын
Definitely a Bond villain cat. Good one!
@blacksama_
6 ай бұрын
This CPU will make Gamersnexus's Steve create a whole new methodology about CPU coolers, and 100+ new charts to fully test this CPU including: "Can this heat my room in Winter?" "Can this heat a room in north pole?" "Will it cause a blackout in Germany?". Stay Tuned for GamresNexus Review!
@douglasmurphy3266
6 ай бұрын
"How long will this last in a power outage", hook it up to a $100 UPS Battery backup while running full load
@constantinesoldatos
6 ай бұрын
Hahaha right on
@kramnull8962
5 ай бұрын
No steve is preparing for another long drawn out battle with the next gen of Ryzen. He had this same issue when he tested this 7950x3d chip 1.5 years ago.
@YTAirFN
6 ай бұрын
I have the 14900k, I love it even though its hot. But this is why competition is great, and why I'm thankful AMD is making good cpus, competition only helps us get better products.... Although in this situation i wouldnt call the ks better...
@mycosys
6 ай бұрын
I'm reminded of the Preshott socket melters, Netburst again
@NegativeROG
6 ай бұрын
Good God, Roman, your "script warmer" is gorgeous!
@send2ady
6 ай бұрын
With 5090 soon to come and new Intel CPU's I surely need a contract with the city general power grid or i'll rent an warehouse near to an industrial power plant
@lsp6032
6 ай бұрын
we will need to extrapolate meteor lake performance, scale up to desktop level to see what it performs
@DJSammy69.
6 ай бұрын
That AMD power saving is Epic levels of awesomeness!
@mexicanhalloween
6 ай бұрын
*Epyc
@Varangian_af_Scaniae
5 ай бұрын
Yeah Intel isn't for us Europeans any longer. But maybe it is a conspiracy, us blows up the pipeline and intel makes high power cpus. They wants us poor.
@HamBown
6 ай бұрын
The price to performance consideration has led me to choose AMD CPUs for every system I have built, dating back to the Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition. I have gone back and forth between Nvidia and AMD graphics over the years, but have always run AMD processors.
@marsMayflower
6 ай бұрын
12th gen intel was a beast, though, for the time. Not that big a leap from 12th gen to 14th (13+) gen, though.
@DaveGamesVT
6 ай бұрын
Might honestly be one of the worst CPUs I've ever seen.
@samuelrodgers2742
6 ай бұрын
It is a clear sign that Intel is desperate and their only solution is to increase power consumption to try to match the Ryzen 7800X3D in gaming which uses a quarter of the power
@alfredgamerzzgamers3970
6 ай бұрын
Btw intel 13900k has better 1 percent low compared to amd 7800x3d
@samuelrodgers2742
6 ай бұрын
@@alfredgamerzzgamers3970 at what cost? It's not really an achievement to have slightly higher 1% lows while using twice the power and is impossible to keep cool without a 360mm AIO. The 7800X3D beats the 13900K in more games with lower power, is easier to cool, and doesn't come on a dead platform.
@JetFuelSE
6 ай бұрын
@@alfredgamerzzgamers3970 And draws twice as much power when turboing.
@ThunderingRoar
6 ай бұрын
@alfredgamerzzgamers3970 *according to intels first party benchmarks
@MrDrTheJniac
6 ай бұрын
This is basically Intel doing a cover of the FX-9590.
@betag24cn
6 ай бұрын
how much dod that cpu used? like 200 watts? 250 overckocked?
@griegomas
6 ай бұрын
Time is a flat circle, or something.
@dex6316
6 ай бұрын
@@betag24cnstock tdp was 220w.
@betag24cn
6 ай бұрын
@@dex6316 half of this, ok, i already forgot
@ranjitmandal1612
5 ай бұрын
😂😂
@HiQualityH2O
6 ай бұрын
Intel are campaigning for 420mm Aio coolers. 15th gen are going to cause power outages.
@der8auer-en
6 ай бұрын
maybe I have to start selling liquid nitrogen coolers again xD
@Apollo-Computers
6 ай бұрын
@der8auer-en I miss doing ln2. My passion was gpu tho and evga leaving left a huge hole lol.
@GeneralS1mba
6 ай бұрын
We need more cases to support 420mm
@davidbetancourt4028
6 ай бұрын
Mostly for the spectacle's sake, I'd like to see how this new KS would perform delidded + direct die contact frame + heavy duty water cooling loop. Seems like the delta between a 14900k vs amped up 14900KS would be interesting. For shits and giggles, I'd also like to see a 7800X3D + 7800X3D delidded + direct die contact frame + water cooling loop, plus some very basic modifications in BIOS, mostly as it relates to curve optimizer built in _(ASrock has a good one)._ I'm interested in the spectacle of what _'could'_ be a typical daily but at the extreme end. Not important, but I'd find it interesting.
@kramnull8962
5 ай бұрын
That's perhaps all AsRock has going for it.
@foldionepapyrus3441
5 ай бұрын
Considering how good the IHS on the Intel's must be to actually dissipate all that energy as well as it does that would be a comparison I'd expect to trash Intel even more - assuming your AMD motherboard is capable of supplying more than 100 odd Watts so you can get more performance rather than just cooler running (not that cooler is a bad thing).
@davidbetancourt4028
5 ай бұрын
@@foldionepapyrus3441I own a 7800X3D and my prev CPU was a 5900x. I'm just curious to see what this would look like. The 7800X3D wouldn't do well with more power since it seems that it's a bit more sensitive to heat, probably due to the cache. I know it's voltage sensitive.
@foldionepapyrus3441
5 ай бұрын
@@davidbetancourt4028Get rid of AMD's rather low efficiency IHS and I'd expect the 7800X3D to be able to crank it up a great deal more with no heating problem. AMD haven't even tried to make the IHS nearly as good as shedding heat as Intel - but then they don't need to, their compute per watt is good and the CPU is perfectly happy running at the higher temperatures this creates... I'd love to see direct die on AMD more than intel for this reason - probably much more gains to be had.
@davidbetancourt4028
5 ай бұрын
@@foldionepapyrus3441I've delidded a few processors and used the systems for a good bit. One was my HTPC. I wanted it quieter since it was in our family room. Lowered the temps by a good 20 degrees C which was nuts. I thought about doing it to my 7800X3D but decided against it because I didn't think it'd matter that much. If I had to do it over again, I would have bought the delid tool and tried it out. I got too much going on to try that now tho, but it would be neat. I'm not sure how much headroom it'd have. I haven't seen anyone do this though. I'd really like to see that along with the Intel for the funsies.
@luca6819
6 ай бұрын
Amd learned his lessons from bulldozer, Intel forgot the ones from pentium 4!
@betag24cn
6 ай бұрын
buldozer was not close to 200 watts, this thing is a crime
@dabombinablemi6188
6 ай бұрын
@@betag24cnIt was for the FX 9590. CPU was insane, especially with the original price. Was the first 5GHz CPU however (turbo permitting) so far from unexpected.
@angeltzepesh1
6 ай бұрын
@@dabombinablemi6188i forgot that CPU existed. I remember it dropped in price like 70% in a couple of months(numbers out of my ass, i dont remember exactly). At least if it had good performance
@KonglomeratYT
6 ай бұрын
I had a 6300. I OC'd it to 5ghz without changing voltage. Good times.
@joaopedrogod
6 ай бұрын
In Brazil this CPU is a complete nightmare unless you are rich and/or have solar panels and a big AC. Very happy with my 7800X3D with only 50-60w gaming
@marcogenovesi8570
6 ай бұрын
Came watching for the CPU, kept watching for the cats
@kimnice
6 ай бұрын
..I should watch this channel more.. maybe it has dedicated cat videos.
@asiano3385
6 ай бұрын
Louis Rossman?
@PCSklejka
6 ай бұрын
That cat is absolutely adorable ☺️
@Cypeq
6 ай бұрын
Can't wait for Alienware 14900KS delided, with intel stock cooler on top 😉
@JosiahBradley
6 ай бұрын
I'm just waiting for it to actually catch fire.
@volvo09
6 ай бұрын
Haha, delidded with "liquid cooling" but it's only a little 120mm aio, or whatever size those little alienware ones are...
@jake..A
6 ай бұрын
14900ks buyers are enthusiast. No one buying a 14900ks is buying from an SI so that delid warranty is pointless. The warranty should have been for the consumers not for businesses.
@williammadisondavis
6 ай бұрын
It’s probably because they’re gonna have a special deal where they sell delidded dies to them directly - for a higher cost, which will get passed onto the consumer so essentially that “warranty” is something you’re paying for. And the SI will profit from by having an exclusive deal with Intel. Basically everybody wins except for the consumer. Calling it enthusiasm for OC’ers is a joke when it’s all just a publicity / money stunt
@Rosa_AI
6 ай бұрын
I wonder what the future of PSUs is going to be....with more powerfull draws
@DaveGamesVT
6 ай бұрын
They can't really just keep increasing the wattage, due to limits in the actual plugs themselves in your walls. For the US, around 1500 - 1600 watts is about as much as you're going to be able to pull from a standard 120V outlet. We already have power supplies up to that.
@TheJimyyy
6 ай бұрын
Next gen intel will scale down is cpu so less power draw
@marcogenovesi8570
6 ай бұрын
@@DaveGamesVTfor high end stuff they can, just get two sockets on different circuits or a 240v circuit like for ovens and other high power equipment and EVs. I mean this is a 700$ CPU, if you can afford that and the god tier system around it you can afford a little of electrical remodeling
@username8644
6 ай бұрын
@@DaveGamesVTAbsolutely correct. But they probably could make a higher wattage unit that runs on two separate 120v outlets. That seems absolutely ridiculous though.
@MooKyTig
6 ай бұрын
@@username8644 But you'd need it to pull from 2 different circuits, you can't just plug it in top and bottom.
@c-dub8639
6 ай бұрын
It would be amazing if we came full cycle and went back to direct die contact like it was on the Athlon XP CPUs.
@vh9network
6 ай бұрын
Why aren't you tech tubers using Cinebench 2024?
@ZeroHourProductions407
6 ай бұрын
Enabling delidded processors feels like a must, to keep temperatures under control.
@ewenchan1239
6 ай бұрын
This just cements the fact that AMD is the leader in efficiency. 400 W just to be a few percent faster than the 7950X3D is crazy!
@ABaumstumpf
6 ай бұрын
Comparing auto-overclock to in-spec does not tell you anything about efficiency.
@ewenchan1239
6 ай бұрын
@@mikeycrackson Agreed. Dr. Su has been an absolute force at AMD, in turning that ship around.
@ewenchan1239
6 ай бұрын
@@ABaumstumpf Stop waiting for the Asian kid to do your homework for you. Calculate the frames per Watt. Do the math. (Even if you scaled the result to normalise to stock clock speeds, AMD would STILL come out ahead in terms of efficiency. Clock speed drops, power consumption drops, so you'd still be more efficient.)
@ABaumstumpf
6 ай бұрын
@@ewenchan1239 "Stop waiting for the Asian kid to do your homework for you." You should not think that everybody is as incapable as you are. "Even if you scaled the result to normalise to stock clock speeds" That is not how that works kiddo. That is not even close to how that works. But go ahead, keep on posting and showing how little you actually know.
@Electric_Bill
6 ай бұрын
@@ewenchan1239and would your conclusion change if you then used the configurable chip settings to undervolt? Just because it comes in one configuration does not mean it must stay that way. The Intel chips have lower consumption at idle, not sure about what the absolute performance is when turned for efficiency, but I cut power in half on my 12700k and retained 90% Perf. The relationship between GHz volts and perf isn't linear, and can be adjusted bi directionally.
@GuernB2
5 ай бұрын
Finally, a spiritual sucessor to the FX9590 😅
@afre3398
6 ай бұрын
Your cats will love the heat from this CPU
@kramnull8962
5 ай бұрын
Still idles around 4 W doing surfing and simple tasks.
@masterkamen371
4 ай бұрын
@@kramnull8962cats when he starts up a game: 🎆🎆🎆
@TearfulNight
3 ай бұрын
@@kramnull8962 Bro Heat is horrible thing than a 30w idle power .. this thing is literally going 100c for just gaming
@kramnull8962
3 ай бұрын
What motherboard are you on, and cooling?
@eliascence
5 ай бұрын
I will stick with my i7-14700KF for now. Thanks for the review
@esunisen3862
6 ай бұрын
Be aware that Asus has special settings that ignore Intel limitations, this can explain the high power draw. Jay did a video about this.
@Houstonruss
6 ай бұрын
And Mr Bauer definitely set his own stuff in bios based on the results
@kramnull8962
5 ай бұрын
@@Houstonruss You mean to impress the AMD fans. All you need to do is make AMD look good to be a content creator.
@RylTheValstrax
5 ай бұрын
I've actually run into some cases where windows scheduler gives up trying to schedule stuff properly on the hybrid-core intel chips and then just starts shuffling threads around wildly at times, causing bad stuttering. This usually happens with a pairing of game & cpu when the game simply has more heavy threads than physical p-cores, at which point I start seeing stuttering, etc. This doesnt really impact the higher corecount chips because most games only have around 8 heavy threads currently (some do exceed that, but they usually aren't fps-critical games - its stuff more like AI-heavy turn based strategy games during end-turns), but it is very noticeable on the lower end mobile chips with hybrid core architectures which might have only 4 p-cores (or even less). Even games heavily optimized for old hardware that can run just fine on pure e-core cpus (ex, the N100) like warframe can suddenly experience intermittent really bad performance stutters if you put them on a device that has a cpu that is better on-paper like a 2p+4e core chip, purely because windows scheduler starts panicking and throwing threads everywhere since there are not enough p-cores for the game when if it kept the threads in place on whatever cores they were already running on it would be just fine.
@1Grainer1
6 ай бұрын
if you look to the left of gaming benchmark chart, you can see ryzen power consumption, easy to miss among intel bars racing with fps bars
@coolman123646
6 ай бұрын
Maybe you already tried this but for the 7950X3D sometime you have to update the Xbox app through the Microsoft store, to get newer games to play on the X3D cores, and you can always force the game to be on the X3D cores by checking the box under the xbox game bar app general setting for "remember this as game" I have to do this for most emulators . 🙂
@gacekbd
6 ай бұрын
EU tends to ban everything non-eco nowadays... this cpu would be prime example to do that in the electronics branch :D
@brett_rose
3 ай бұрын
I bought a 12900KS a year or so ago, but through a series of unfortunate events, I needed to replace my main board. I bought a new CPU just to keep things on the latest gen since I had to tear it down anyways. I bought a 14900K this time. It was pulling over 300 watts with nothing but an xmp profile loaded. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I like it.
@viera2994
6 ай бұрын
u just need to change cpu affinity on task manager or process lasso
@viera2994
6 ай бұрын
to fix ryzen 9 x3d*
@der8auer-en
6 ай бұрын
I know that but the average gamer probably doesn't :)
@ricardorosas8500
6 ай бұрын
@@der8auer-en exactly, thats why is unrealistic use process lasso. AMD plz fix
@viera2994
5 ай бұрын
@@der8auer-en fair enough, but u should at least show the results after the fix or saying that there's a fix for that (prob the easiest fps boost to do)
@JohnWilliams-gy5yc
6 ай бұрын
Apparently the thumbnail shot turns the video sponsor into 14900KS requirement.
@tonep3168
6 ай бұрын
Intel back to their 2-3% ipc gains… over clock them to keep up, power and heat be damned! So 400w stock, I wonder what OC will bring that up to, 600w?
@greebj
6 ай бұрын
This is zero IPC. It's the same architecture as 13th gen which itself is mostly just a cache uptick from 12th. KS 'gain' is all clockspeed due to binning.
@kendokaaa
6 ай бұрын
What greebj said. IPC is independant of clock speed
@shirleysiu5958
5 ай бұрын
With an Intel Cpu in my room, I never need to turn on my radiator ever again even in chilly winter. Thanks Intel.
@ers-tj4to
6 ай бұрын
I’m happy with my 7950x3d. Between that and my 4090 my psu only goes up to 300 watts under load.
@ZackSNetwork
6 ай бұрын
7950x3d is still horrible with it cutting its cores in half. The lasso method is to time consuming as well.
@kendokaaa
6 ай бұрын
Did you heavily limit your 4090? Regular 4090s consume a lot more than that. Otherwise you're being CPU limited in the games you play which is bringing down the GPU wattage
@ers-tj4to
6 ай бұрын
@@kendokaaa Hi there! Never thought about that. So I did some research and I was wrong with the psu. I was playing Elden Ring tonight at 4K with raytracing and all settings set to max or high settings. PSU reading was at 414 watts (my bad) and GPU usage was at 85 percent. According to the task manager cpu usage was at 15 percent although I don't know if I'm reading it correct. Is this good? Not really well versed in the overclocking/tweaking thing yet. I just like to do gaming.
@GeneralS1mba
6 ай бұрын
@@ers-tj4toLow CPU usage is normal as games don't use many cores.
@kendokaaa
5 ай бұрын
@@ers-tj4to Unless your CPU is underpowered, it's never going to be used to 100% when playing games so that's fine. Ideally you'd want your GPU at or close to 100% unless you have a frame rate cap or are using vsync. Some games just cannot use all of your GPU because they're limited by the performance of individual CPU cores, ram or even CPU cache so this also results in GPU usage being lower than 100%. A lower GPU usage leads to lower power consumption, at least for the GPU. If your frame rates are to your liking, there's nothing wrong with your numbers.
@vencler
6 ай бұрын
I think intel did this for two possible reasons: 1. 14900KS is not meant to be used like this. I believe it is solely for liquid cooled/custom OC builds, possibly having better IMC for higher RAM clocks, essentially this chip being an unlocked beast with lots of headroom to play with as a last send-off of a monolithic design. 2. Possibly they made this chip in such a power-hungry way so they can compare their next-gen to it in terms of insane new efficiency saving when they introduce next architecture later this year/q1-25.
@twanheijkoop6753
6 ай бұрын
Cpu alone using more than my 5800x and 6600xt combined. Not when both are oc'd ofcourse but damn
@TurboLoveTrain
6 ай бұрын
The power consumption is due to the 1970s cpu and Ram architecture. I can almost guarantee you the RAM controllers and address bus are eating the bulk of the power.
@kramnull8962
5 ай бұрын
Your 5800x does 18K worth of useless work in R23. vs a 31K 13700K performance.
@wastanley734
5 ай бұрын
@@kramnull8962 According to your math the 13700k is 50% better than the 5800x. With twice as many cores and thus 50% more threads. So thread per thread they are equal and you belittle this guy through his cpu? Wow
@kramnull8962
5 ай бұрын
@@wastanley734 Not 50% but I love your spirit and honesty. You'll learn something in 50 years.
@Iridiumcosmos
4 ай бұрын
@@kramnull8962Nice argument that barely holds up. Lol.
@41chemist19
6 ай бұрын
This is hilarious and I love it. This is literally the kind of thing enthusiasts do in their garage for fun, and Intel is just like "yeah, we know that your energy bill is going to be insane, this is default." BRUH Give Intel and Nvidia a few years, the only thing that will limit their consumer product lineup is the capacity of the average north American breaker panel.
@bthjf12003
6 ай бұрын
14900KS is a 13900KS TI
@Purjo92
6 ай бұрын
More like Ti Super.
@elgatoltu
6 ай бұрын
@@Purjo92 more like 14900 super - same perfomace more power draw more heat bigger price :D (rtx4080s) same :D
@Dexion845
6 ай бұрын
Yup just like a 2080 to a 2080 Super. 3% faster costing more money.
@GeneralS1mba
6 ай бұрын
13900k ti super xtx
@Multimeter1
6 ай бұрын
They dropped the ball not letting us regular users to delid CPUs and keeping warranty. Intel lost me as an over clocker to purchase this... Intel if you read the comments, allow liquid metal on all your CPUs! So that people can run them less hotter and less RMA/ warranty
@AshtonCoolman
6 ай бұрын
I've seen Intel 13900K/14900K users on Frame Chasers and Reddit say they're having silicon degradation on their chips. They said that they can't hold overclocks anymore and in some cases have complete CPU failure after ~6 months. Are any of you experiencing this?
@Spinelli__
6 ай бұрын
Not sure about 13th & 14th but I've been running a 12900KS all-core 5.3 GHz @ 1.4-ish V for over 1.5 years, still as stable as ever. Having said that, during normal use, I run my PC on Windows power saver plan with it's max CPU frequency set for 3.3 GHz - I think it's min: 5%, max: 50% if I remember correctly. If for some rare reason power saver is too slow / unresponsive, I switch to Balanced but with min: 5%, max: 99% (or was it 95%) instead of 5%, 100%. This means a max of 4.x GHz (can't remember). This means my CPU is always running at very low voltage, heat, power, and frequency. Only when I do things that benefit from max power/speed do I set the power profile to one with a max of 100%. For example, for gaming & benchmarking, I use "Ultimate" plan w/ min: 100%, max: 100% and for things like editing & rendering videos, I use Balanced w/ min: 5%, max: 100%. I don't know why it's so uncommon for people to use & edit different power plan profiles. Why would I want my CPU blasting to high voltage, frequency, power, heat when I'm just doing easy stuff like surfing websites, watching videos, etc.?
@ashenwattegedera
6 ай бұрын
Can it be due to these cpus constantly running at very high temps?
@modrribaz1691
6 ай бұрын
@@ashenwattegedera Can be architectural decay from just how much electricity is being pushed though, not necessary only heat.
@cartman20000
6 ай бұрын
The degradence is probably from the voltage the cpu's running at. At least in this video some of the core vids were hitting 1.48v, which is very high, my i7 14700k hits at around 1.35v for the max core vid out of the box. For the i9s you'll want to undervolt them, to try to lower the amount of voltage being pushed through them.
@larsjrgensen5975
6 ай бұрын
It happened on my ryzen 1700, after 3 years it needed at little more voltage for same overclock.
@Enizax
5 ай бұрын
Hey Roman, regarding the 7950x3d vs 7800x3d discussion, couldn't you have simulated them by deactivating the non X3D cores or just by using Process Lasso to force the program's threads to utilize the X3dD cores? I'm sure there's a valid reason, but I'd be curious to better understand!
@damir3668
6 ай бұрын
Yeah, testing CS2 in 4k with 4090 at 99% load is a VERY nice test for the CPU. Keep up the good work.
@Garde538
2 ай бұрын
Thats a dam fine looking cat
@klick2destruct
6 ай бұрын
0:38 don't you dare to cut her out like that again!! ❤
@sureshmilton
4 ай бұрын
Finally, an informative and smart review. Thanks.
@Vulver
6 ай бұрын
Thats really poor performance. No wander so much people buy AMD these days.
@Bourinos02
6 ай бұрын
That overclock on the 14900KS was insane, oh wait, this is stock...
@briankleinschmidt3664
6 ай бұрын
If they are going to cover delidding under warranty, they are asking for trouble. It is a delicate operation and it doesn't always go well.
@williammadisondavis
6 ай бұрын
They know that lol. It’s why they are ONLY offering warranty through certain prebuilt companies. They’ll sell them bulk pre-delidded dies (what’s the point of adding a IHS just to remove it?)… for a higher price ofc. They can charge more because of the exclusivity. The “warranty” you’re getting as a consumer is going to be at the cost of paying that exclusivity tax to the prebuilt company. Essentially it’s insurance ur paying for. Except the insurance $ gets spread between Intel and the prebuilt company. So basically it’s a money grab / publicity stunt and nothing more. Intel isn’t being freaking benevolent lmao - just trying to charge people the max amount possible and hide it in a “prebuilt price”
@volvo09
6 ай бұрын
Delidding will not be warrantied to me and you, only to certain system builders (which are probably veeeeery expensive boutiques). The numbers will be very low anyways. Intel gets the marketing out of it, may lose a handful of chips, not a big deal.
@1kreature
6 ай бұрын
This power thing looks exactly like the problem last time with mainboard defaults and autos being wrong and applying too high voltage. Did you check the actual voltages vs requirements/spec?
@ggmgoodgamingmichael7706
6 ай бұрын
New BULLDOZER 🤣🤣
@Purjo92
6 ай бұрын
At least it can compete with AMD in performance, unlike Bull Loser did vs. Intel back in the day. But still, I find these i9 products to have only extremely niche use cases that still make sense vs. Zen 4, even if your electricity is dirt cheap compared to European prices and you live in a cold climate lol.
@jheithaus3
6 ай бұрын
The 14900ks is the fastest all-around cpu. Bulldozer could never make such a claim. Yes, Intel uses power. However, this is a desktop cpu. Power only draws when the desktop is on. You are not going to notice it on your bill. For perspective, your home level 2 ev charger pulls 20kw all night long. Keeping the chip cool is a systems engineering problem that can be overcome. It is not as significant a problem as looping a 4090 into any high-level system case. With delidding, the cpu should overclock another 200 to 300mhz.
@shmoochicago
6 ай бұрын
In Christopher Walken's voice: MORE! MORE POWAH!
@thierryfaquet7405
6 ай бұрын
So happy to run a 7800X3D for 5 months now on my gaming setup.
@toonnut1
5 ай бұрын
Because people didn't listen properly some believe they can delid the 14900ks and it's still under warranty! Its not well not for the general public. Its only covered by certain vendors!
@MultiNastyNate
6 ай бұрын
Sick
@Yuki2204
6 ай бұрын
I have a 6900XT that is liquid cooled and runs 2800MHZ on the core, This CPU pulls more power than my OVERCLOCKED GPU, The actual fuck.
@DigitalJedi
6 ай бұрын
More power than my 7900XTX, which of course is a famously power-efficient GPU (/s).
@fteoOpty64
6 ай бұрын
Dude, just call it 13900KISS. Sheesh!.
@reubenmorris487
5 ай бұрын
Guess I'd better de-lid and build a custom water loop sometime this year...Didn't know my future i9-14900K would draw 400W before I bought my 250W air cooler.
@lemagreengreen
6 ай бұрын
Did you watch that recent video by Dave's Garage? showed his Threadripper hitting 1000W :)
@a120068020
5 ай бұрын
I have new settings which I am using for my i9-13900k and i9-14900k. I don’t like the uncertainty of undervolting so prefer working with power and clock limits. With these settings I got a couple of FPS BETTER on CP2077 and Forza Horizon Benchmark, went from 99th to 98th percentile on PC Mark Extended, passed the Time Spy Stress Test, Time Spy was within a whisker of the average for my hardware, Cinebench R23 finished between 37-38000, CPU-Z, Intel Diag tool and Prime95 was stable and < 90 degrees. MCE off, PL1 and PL2 limit to 225, limit P-core boost to 5.3 GHz and E-core boost to 4.0GHz, and use balanced power profile in Windows (although I do disable core parking to keep system highly responsive). Oh and just XMP on the RAM. I didn’t change LLC values. With these settings, you should have no stability issues, be able to run on an air cooler like the NH-D15 (what I use on my 3 i9 13th/14th gen systems) and will barely notice any performance changes in gaming or productivity.
@a120068020
4 ай бұрын
Update: I have now set voltage offset at a modest -0.010v. I have disabled the C6&C7 C states and EIST. I have then increated max P core clock to 5.5GHz and E cores to 4.3GHz. Lastly I have locked AVX at 0 offset. I have tested on P95/CB R23 and CB R15. All great and in a mid 20 degree room, no workload exceeds 80c on package or cores. Happy Bunny!
@a120068020
4 ай бұрын
Update 2: I have now undervolted to -0.015v and set the Core limit to 300 Amps. Performance is still good.
@muramusan
6 ай бұрын
If the 7900x3d had that many cores it would smoke and still be under 400w I bet 😮
@Demoralized88
6 ай бұрын
Der, I received some Kryo from Amzn and it was either a 1:1 fake or just got too dry from sitting. I'm trying to paste a 1065G7 on a Laptop, is Hydro comparable to Kryo thermally? Probably gonna try something ekse, but Kryo is the only paste I've used so far for significant temp gains. Anyone, suggestions? Laptops don't respond anything like Desktop w/ IHS and a lot of thermal mass, stock paste and MX-2 are pegged against 100c throttle under significant load, Kryo is like 15c lower under load and somehow prevents PL2 boost from immediately exceeding TJ.
@yasu_red
6 ай бұрын
I'm starting to think Intel has performed necromancy on the NetBurst architecture.
@azntactical4884
5 ай бұрын
One time runs on r23 hits 38k on multi core with my 14900k. In a 10min run, I get 35.5k. It stays pretty consistent after a few runs. But, I have the watts set at 275 max and it still throttles down to 4.9-5ghz, but with better temps vs when I had a 135mm tower cooler.
@Azureskies01
6 ай бұрын
"extreme" is a really odd way to spell shit
@Chris-yd2nr
6 ай бұрын
I have the intel KS 13900KS, He is 100% Correct not for everyday users only for us who are crazy and want to push everything to the max, would delid again.
@detmer87
6 ай бұрын
Intel totally lost it 😂😂😂😂
@wDave1337
2 ай бұрын
Do you recommend to use CPU frame protector for Intel i9 14900KF?
@Furyousmerc
6 ай бұрын
Fluffy cat!!! And that cpu make a good butt warmer for the cat :)
@leandrodrace
6 ай бұрын
it would be nice to see what this KS would look like with e-cores turned off and or maybe HT off as well, power would certainly be more acceptable but would performance stay the same?
@AshtonCoolman
6 ай бұрын
393w is 1341 BTUh of heat being pumped into your room at full load. Don't do any crypto mining with this thing. Stick with AMD for that (Qubic, Zephyr, etc).
@connorharris1900
3 ай бұрын
since when was 3% considered an upgrade. is the memory controller any different?
@timbersrcadventures
5 ай бұрын
I would have loved to see it on a full custom loop
@ClaytonMacleod
6 ай бұрын
7950X3D not running on the 3D cores is a problem you can solve by manually setting CPU affinity, of course. Uncheck the non-3D cores and there you go. Obviously this is something that should be fixed so nobody has to do this, but at least in a testing scenario this will still allow you to ignore the non-3D cores if you want to.
@celeriumlerium8266
5 ай бұрын
I kind of like these high power consumption chips. For years I keep hearing "the 9900k is a FURNACE, the 10900k is an INFERNO" when all you needed was a 360mm AIO to max out your voltage curve before temperature or delidding even became relevant. Now, we have chips that are actually fun for enthusiasts to delid, direct die etc.
@SgtRamen69
6 ай бұрын
"How much power, money and cooling does it need?" "Yes"
@Powertampa
6 ай бұрын
Back in the day if you recall the extreme editions used to give 5 year vs. 3 year warranties. I think it's nice that for the extra money you get better warranty. That alone is worth a lot for the high end cpu stuff as the risk of them cooking themselves is higher. If it wasn't for that warranty extension I would have had a big problem when my 990X died, but with its warranty Intel just sent me a new one. Can't complain about that.
@FutureCanSnipe
6 ай бұрын
I remember seeing something somewhere from someone about limiting the clock speed of the non X3D cores so that the "fastest" cores are always the ones with the 3D V-Cache
@hocek11
6 ай бұрын
I don't like the way you said that AMD doesn't allow overclocking 3D v cache models in the conclusion of the video. People can misunderstand that statement thinking that overclocking is banned on all CPUs.
@ablazedguy
Ай бұрын
This hits different today
@sporadicentertainment9253
5 ай бұрын
Crashes in games a lot due to the high clocks you have to under clock it and you need a 420mm aio to get rid of the heat it produces.
@FigsForYou
2 ай бұрын
Its funny how this next generation of cpus/gpus are using so much more wattage for not that much more fps.
@KessellFreak
6 ай бұрын
Wish you included the 7800X3D in the gaming tests instead of the 7950X3D. Great video. I am disappointed that Intel has to resort to extreme binning and clock rates/power consumption just to put out competitive gaming chips. Makes one wonder what would happen is AMD tried that approach with their current architecture.
@zodwraith5745
5 ай бұрын
This comes up every time Intel releases a KS model. These chips were never _intended_ for gamers. Yeah, they're overpriced, but you need to keep in mind hardcore overclockers using exotic cooling used to get ripped off for FAR more with cherry picked i9s going for as much as $2000+. The KS models have completely killed that binning aftermarket that used to gouge enthusiasts for cherry picked silicon. IMHO AMD should also have their own elite line when enthusiasts are obviously willing to pay for it. Imagine a 7950X or X3D that can maintain stability with DDR5 7200 and 5.8ghz? It would be just as silly but you know there's a certain number of enthusiasts that will buy it instantly. I also believe every KS model should already come delidded as that's most likely the first thing anyone who buys it will do with it. They probably don't because there's a certain number of users that will only buy it cause it's "the best" and not know what they're doing.
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