I'm agnostic also, but i grew up in a Pentecostal "word of faith" church. I later went to a Pentecostal/Charismatic university. I think there's a little bit of gnosticism in modern Charismatic christians. Not all pentecostals believe these things but a lot of them do. There's this idea of the body as being just a vessel that you happen to be in right not, and the spirit is the true self. Also the emphasis on things like miracles, "naming and claiming", the gifts of the Spirit, even speaking in tongues all sound a lot like esoteric knowledge. I imagine these are the kinds of things gnostic christians in the 2nd century would've taught in their churches.
@zelenisok
7 ай бұрын
Typical theism without omnipotence is an option too. I think the only way to preserve (benevolent God) theism is to drop omnipotence. Even in the Gnostic (or a quasi-gnostic) view the tri-omni God should have stopped the demiurge /simulator from inflicting all this suffering on us. Personally, I am a theist (/Christian /Anglican), and am very sympathetic to the Gnostics, I see what they're getting at. And it seems to me that Jesus preached something like that, when he says that it is not God but Satan who is the lord of this world. In the general biblical narrative, throughout the OT and NT, there is a cosmic conflict, God is struggling against opposing cosmic forces. Those cosmic forces in actuality might or might not be personal, they could be some metaphysical or natural laws. I lean towards the Plato /Philo view that it's the eternal substance, out of which God creates, that is faulty, and which presents an obstacle to God's activity.
@Peter-f2m
7 ай бұрын
Wow…. You wrote all that and at the heart of your belief you believe the substrate of existence is flawed. really think about that. You have to make the choice of what world you live in. Is it one that is fundamentally good or one that is fundamentally broken. And you chose broken. You have no idea what Christianity is truly about if that what you are seeing. You have no idea what your own life is about. If that is what you are seeing
@zelenisok
7 ай бұрын
if you can see this world with all the death, suffering, starvation, disease, beatings, injuries, maimings, tortures, murders, rapes, wars, etc, etc, that have happened and are happening, and think this world is good, then you are morally blind. and you have nothing to do with jesus, who preached that this world is evil, satanic, that satan is the lord of this world, not god.
@alittax
7 ай бұрын
Thank you for your videos! :)
@andystewart9701
7 ай бұрын
Thanks great video! My atheist/agnostic stance agrees with yours. The KZitem channel Esoterica has some awesome scholarly videos on Gnosticism, platonism, and western esotericism you might enjoy if you haven’t seen that channel.
@Peter-f2m
7 ай бұрын
Do you want to know the answer about evil? It doesn’t exist Done
@onemorebrown
7 ай бұрын
@user-lz7zc4bq3u I find that very difficult to take seriously
@Peter-f2m
7 ай бұрын
@@onemorebrown so im stumbled across your videos…. Watched a few. Honestly I still haven’t quite heard what your positions are but the last video I watch was your one with swami about non-duality. You had a few questions… I was attempting to help you out along the way. You say you can’t take it seriously .. but I think you would find that upon any real examination the concept of evil falls away rather quickly. Without knowing what your positions are it’s hard to engage in specifics but suffice to say that any form of materialism is absolute nonsense and I would be happy to help you through your philosophical difficulties if you were interested.
@onemorebrown
7 ай бұрын
@user-lz7zc4bq3u interesting, well I certainly don't think materialism is nonsense. Why use such strong language just to indicate that you don't agree with it? I would like to hear how the concept of evil falls away upon any real examination
@Peter-f2m
7 ай бұрын
@@onemorebrown cool. I speak with strong language to bring attention to the fact that not only is it not correct in its details but the entire concept is actively preventing any true understanding of the fundamental nature of reality. But we start at evil. Instead of adding in new concepts… I feel it’s much for effective for use to strip away falsities. This is Buddhism’s approach… to pull back the curtain of ignorance. IGNORE-ance. The true nature of reality is available to you directly at all times but false notions are deluding us …is the eastern approach. I have posited that evil doesn’t exist. You said you find that hard to accept. Since I’m not familiar enough with your paradigm of reality I would ask if you would expand a little on why you find that concept untenable. And or your materialistic views. ( I saw you were speaking a lot about simulations and I think you might be surprised just how well those sorts of concepts mesh with the eastern ideas. )
@onemorebrown
7 ай бұрын
@user-lz7zc4bq3u My view is that we don't know whether materialism is false, and that there aren't any objectively good reasons to think that it is (there may be subjectively good reasons but I don't find them convincing). As for evil, I'll start with the most obvious which is that pain exists and people and animals suffer as a result. My naive reaction is that any attempt to show that pain doesn't 'really' exist is gross. It clearly exists for me, and that is enough to show that evil exists in some way that matters.
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