Thanks for the videos, Drachinifel. A question for you: has the UK ever loaned Royal Marines as mercenary force?
@dejangabrovsek6534
2 жыл бұрын
Why didn’t German designers adopt an all-or-nothing armor scheme for World War II era battleships, i.e. Scharnhorst and Bismarck class?
@Cbabilon675
2 жыл бұрын
How useful were Naval mortars back in this error, and how were the various shots used?
@thomasjamison2050
2 жыл бұрын
I have read that during the American Revolution, there were Whigs in Parliament who would refer to Washington's Army as 'our army.'
@thehandoftheking3314
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Drach, Is there any possibility of you covering the navel campaigns based around the Aleutian Islands and Northern Pacific theatre in ww2? They only tend to get a single line in anything referring to midway, "and there were Japanese doing things in the north" type of stuff.
@bretterb
2 жыл бұрын
I very much enjoyed the phrase, "They don't mind being British, but they'd rather be British somewhere very far away from Westminster." This was an excellent video from yourself and Mr. Sean Chick, thank you for sharing your collaborative expertise!
@keptinjack
2 жыл бұрын
Still holds true now 🧐
@gordonfrickers5592
2 жыл бұрын
This made me smile, I " don't mind being British, but they'd rather be British somewhere very far away from Westminster" which is part of why I live in Brittany, the South of Brittany!
@RCAvhstape
2 жыл бұрын
That was literally the mindset of many Americans right up until the Declaration of Independence was signed; even after the war had been going on for months they still hoped to reconcile with the king, their main problem was with Parliament.
@scotteggert9820
2 жыл бұрын
I really love that line about how the British Government woke up in the 1830s and discovered they had a world-spanning Empire. "How did this happen?" "Who authorized this to happen?" "Why did this happen?" I would speculate that the next question would have come from the Office of the Exchequer. "And who do we tax for making this happen?"
@raghncrow8104
2 жыл бұрын
That has a degree of truth in it, but since the end of the 17th century, when the Bank of England was founded (1694) and the influential Freemasons (1717), a sophisticated cadre of wealthy men and powerful politicians were working "behind the scenes" to direct British policy. The Bank of England (in essence) started the American Revolution when they got Parliament to pass a law trashing the local American colonial money called "Colonial Script". That caused a severe depression in the Colonies.
@frankpienkosky5688
Жыл бұрын
....."WHY...DO...YOU...COME...TO...THE...LAND...OF...THE...ZULU?".....always loved that line....the answer left something to be desired.......
@emjackson2289
Жыл бұрын
And you may find yourself speculating on sugar cane, And you may find yourself in another part of the world And you may find yourself behind the wheel of a large battle-ship And you may find yourself in a beautiful sugar cane farm mansion, with a beautiful wife And you may ask yourself, "Well, how did I get here?" . . . .
@Thomas_Name
10 ай бұрын
@@frankpienkosky5688Nah. More like the question left something to be desired.
@christopheryoung3356
2 жыл бұрын
In your aside on the Korean War and the US's habit of demilitarizing between wars, in Korea my father was assigned to a US Army unit that, among other tasks, maintained and repaired landing craft. I remember him saying that the US essentially was just pulling old landing craft off the beaches from WWII and reusing them for use in the Korean assaults and that they had rusted out so badly that you could easily put your foot right through the hull plates.
@highjumpstudios2384
2 жыл бұрын
Just as god intended.
@marcogenovesi8570
2 жыл бұрын
"military grade" intensifies
@AsbestosMuffins
2 жыл бұрын
the entire Korean war hinged on some army clerks finding a trio of m26s rusting away in a depot in tokyo to stop the massive amount of T-34-80s storming down the peninsula, and ya they could punch from front plate to back plate but ya thanks to budget cuts we had just 3 tanks capable of stopping the north korean army
@christophernoah3749
2 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the art of kicking ass as an enlisted soldier with what you have at your disposal. 🇺🇸
@ericgrace9995
2 жыл бұрын
You should check out the V bomber attack on Stanley Airport during the Falklands War. Not only was this the longest bomber mission ever undertaken, they also had to raid the RAF museum to equip the aircraft.
@MrGoesBoom
2 жыл бұрын
One reason I love channels like this is that there's so much interesting history out there, but when I was in school ( 20ish years ago ) practically nothing on the rest of the world was ever really covered, not even in World History. Even the American History classes were pretty shallow and didn't really go into depth. Why to this day, I love learning stuff, but can't stand school. Thanks for the excellent hour vid, gonna have to go look at part one
@highjumpstudios2384
2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, going deep into US history would fuck with our perception of the standard American creation myth.
@richmcgee434
2 жыл бұрын
@@highjumpstudios2384 You aren't wrong. Most folks are unwilling to accept that our ancestors built this country through genocide and slavery, much less deal with the legacy of those acts in a mature way.
@highjumpstudios2384
2 жыл бұрын
@@richmcgee434 correct. In great part due to how much recognizing that your great great grandfather might have been more than a little racist. Coming to terms with that shit sucks. It takes emotional maturity, which a lot of adults, and especially a lot of kids just don't have. I should know.
@coleparker
2 жыл бұрын
@@richmcgee434 Oh give me a break would you? I am 70 years old and both an Archaeology and HIstory majors, and as kids me and my friends were learning about slavery and the Indian wars in grade school. The problem nowadays is all you woke people can talk about is the genocide and slavery and not the other aspects of the nation that are positive. IN addition, we now have the pseudo history like the 1619 project book.
@coleparker
2 жыл бұрын
@@highjumpstudios2384 The clowns that teach History nowadays in the Community colleges and Universities teach only propaganda and not real history. Also, the majority of the woke students now, are worse than the Red Guard in the China's great leap forward. They sit there singing the praises of the left propaganda.
@AsbestosMuffins
2 жыл бұрын
a lot of the british empire was the government writing a letter saying something like "It is absolutely essential not to do A Thing!" while their expeditionary commander is writing his own letter saying "your majesty, I have done A Thing, you now own this land."
@mollybell5779
2 жыл бұрын
I couldn't figure out how you and your team of researchers were able to glean so much obscure and detailed historical naval information and release quality videos so frequently. Then someone pointed out that it was just you, and I've since had to use a pair of roller wheels attached to my jaw so it won't drag the ground. In all seriousness, though, thank you so very much for sharing your vast historical and technical knowledge of navies and ships. These videos are truly an amazing body of work.
@georgem7965
2 жыл бұрын
My uncle accepted the surrender of the German Danube Flotilla at the end of WW2 which included a number of monitors including former Austrian vessels.
@Big_E_Soul_Fragment
2 жыл бұрын
Finally, the part 2. Now we wait for the part 3 of the Nelson one
@DaveSCameron
2 жыл бұрын
But where is part 1??
@michaelbeale559
2 жыл бұрын
@@DaveSCameron It's on this channel, search it and you'll find it
@DaveSCameron
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelbeale559 I guessed that much and did indeed search hence my asking, he even said it was dropping in the description but guess what?
@Drachinifel
2 жыл бұрын
@@DaveSCameron fixed now :) kzitem.info/news/bejne/lKqnqmVneoFifKw
@DaveSCameron
2 жыл бұрын
@@Drachinifel Yay! Thanks I'm really grateful 🙏
@scrubsrc4084
2 жыл бұрын
I'm on a full military history binge today so this dropped at the perfect moment
@DaveSCameron
2 жыл бұрын
Xx
@dmcarpenter2470
2 жыл бұрын
Not naval, but, when Korea kicked off, the Army Ordnance Corps swept through the Pacific islands, gathering up and reconditioning abandonded weapons, wheeled and tracked vehicles, as well as individual equipment; then shipping them to Korea. Something on the order of two Divisional sets were reused.
@admiraltiberius1989
2 жыл бұрын
Mentioning the USS Cabot makes me sad.....ugh. It was such a farce. I'm so glad the Orleck was saved and is now in a new home in Jacksonville. Also, so many of the Civil Monitors and Frigates had the best names ever put on a warship. Wabash, Monongahela, Weehawken, Catskill are some of my favorites.
@AdamMGTF
2 жыл бұрын
"Wabash" just makes me think of cartoons. Or the ship whil-e-cyote would sail into battle. What a name
@admiraltiberius1989
2 жыл бұрын
@@AdamMGTF ....hehe that made me chuckle.
@nomar5spaulding
2 жыл бұрын
Monongahela is a good one. I like the names of some of the Eades gunboats. USS Mound City in particular always gets a laugh from me when I hear it mentioned.
@frankpienkosky5688
Жыл бұрын
@@nomar5spaulding have a nice ceramic model of one of those....one of my Pittsburgh collection...have 3 of the 4.....the heavy cruiser is like 5 ft long and they're all to scale....had a guy in New York working on #4....but he seemed to be interested in making more of a decor item more than an accurate model....[no hatches or ladders]?????
@mikeupton5406
2 жыл бұрын
Go out to breakfast or stay home eat cold pizza while listening to Drac. This is really good pizza
@paulwallis7586
2 жыл бұрын
You know it's a good talk when Yes Minister comes up. "In spite of its government..." perfect inclusion.
@nk_3332
2 жыл бұрын
Your comment on the American Revolution also explains the American Gun Culture. The immigration 1640-1650 was mostly the Puritans (who were losing the English Civil War), and in the 1670-1680's were the Cavaliers (who had lost the English Civil War) so you had two groups of Englishmen united in the firm belief that the English Government were [REDACTED] no matter who they were, and the only protection to 'Will no one kill me this turbulent priest' was being armed, and your neighbors being armed.
@rogerwilco2
2 жыл бұрын
It is also a difference between thee mercantile way the Dutch and English colonized, where it was just cheaper to arm the colonists instead of having big standing colonial army like the French and especially the Spanish did. The French and Spanish were much more zealous and focused on converting natives to Catholicism and such things. The Dutch and the English just wanted profits, and arming the colonists was a cost saving measure.
@AdamMGTF
2 жыл бұрын
Im still struggleing to understand that. After all, after the English civil war. Neither side felt the need to stay armed afterwards. Nor did it happen in any other European country in a post civil war environment. NI in the 20thC doesn't count as that was an active war. Australia was colonised. The new colonists came from a similar mix of backgrounds and famously (though as many 'fun' facts it's a little over hyped) many early settlers were convicted criminals. Yet, no 'gun culture'. I've heard all kinds of 'explainations' as to why Americans have this gun culture. None make sense historically. Otherwise why is freedom of speech, religion and democracy the norm in Europe and most other ex colony's (sadly the Ukraine being an exception right now). The only argument I've ever thought makes total sense. Was a chap on the forgotten weapons channel who replied to someone posting about how Americans need guns to protect freedom or some nonsense. The guy just replied "bullshit. We have guns because we can, and because there fuckin cool. That's why I have mine". I loved that brutal honesty.
@PopeMetallicus
2 жыл бұрын
I mean...there was also the murderous natives that we needed to be wary of, so
@SonsOfLorgar
2 жыл бұрын
@@PopeMetallicus that's a bit of a weird way of re-labeling people trying to evict home invaders...
@nk_3332
2 жыл бұрын
@@AdamMGTF First, the English colonists had enemy powers close at hand (Spain and France). Second there's a difference between wealthy political refugees, and convicts and working-class people. America was seen as a refuge, not a punishment.
@bfcalixis2478
2 жыл бұрын
Loved part 1, loved part 2. It's awesome to hear a colab between Sean and you, perhaps you can do something with Thersites on ancient naval warfare (maybe something on Metellus' fight with Cretan pirates?).
@DaveSCameron
2 жыл бұрын
Can you please link part one please??
@bfcalixis2478
2 жыл бұрын
@@DaveSCameron sure, mate. Here you go kzitem.info/news/bejne/lKqnqmVneoFifKw
This is a fabulous discussion of world history! I've enjoyed it very much. Nearly spit my tea all over at the comment about America being founded on tax evasion and hasn't really changed!
@808bigisland
2 жыл бұрын
United States of Tax evasion. It's true unless you are poor and black. Then it's debt tower.
@Tdelliex
2 жыл бұрын
drachnifel actually continuing a series lets go
@christopher5723
2 жыл бұрын
I like to think of the period Sean describes as the Great French war as World War 0.
@chaingun1701
2 жыл бұрын
True that
@johnjephcote7636
2 жыл бұрын
I studied British Empire as an option for a subsidiary subject in my (rather strange) London Univ.External degree back in 1970. I really enjoyed your succinct and amusing summary!
@scottgiles7546
2 жыл бұрын
Pushed the "LIKE". Now to watch.
@kellybreen5526
2 жыл бұрын
Not through it yet, but 10 minutes in I think it was worth the wait.
@cookingonthecheapcheap6921
2 жыл бұрын
All good things come to those who wait...... and wait......... and wait lol. Happy it's here.
@ironteacup2569
2 жыл бұрын
I love the side bar stuff. So much depth of history in this. Amazing content
@jeffbybee5207
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Drachinifel! Great video. In the late 1860s with friction from the Alabama claims the US built a class of extream wooded frigates for commerce raiding.
@AdamMGTF
2 жыл бұрын
Huh?
@jimlatosful
2 жыл бұрын
Ngl, I really enjoyed the long ramble-chat about all things 19th century
@richardrigling4906
2 жыл бұрын
Regarding US response in the Korean War: a strategic constraint was the Truman Administration's evaluation/concern that USSR launched the Korean war as a ruse or diversion to strip forces out of Europe and Eastern NATO countries in preparation for a Soviet invasion into West Germany. Consequently, Truman could not move as many forces from Europe to Asia as desired.
@raghncrow8104
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. But why did Truman so dismantle the huge U.S. forces post 1945 to such a degree that they then had to make such a decision about Korea? Surely Marshall, a close adviser to Truman, should have brought such a strategic thought up to Truman. Maybe Marshall did, and was just over-ruled? Did ANYONE "trust" Stalin about anything? The whole thing is very odd. Maybe the U.S. government WAS filled with Communist agents? Very odd to dismantle your military in such a hazardous post-war world as we had then.
@richardrigling4906
2 жыл бұрын
@@raghncrow8104 You make good points from the perspective of 75 years later. However, in 1945, the US and most of the world was sick and disgusted with war - having just finished 6 years of the greatest slaughter in history. Stahlin, however, was not most people, and he really did not care - he had his ambitions and nothing else to oppose them.
@m.streicher8286
2 жыл бұрын
The sequel we didn't know we needed
@AlexanderSilver1996
2 жыл бұрын
This was by far the most interesting video I have seen on KZitem for months. The delivery of information is so conversational and Interesting, you go off on so many tangents but they all relate back and just show off great knowledge. I’m laid up in bed with COVID at the minute - in the last weird hallucination phase where you’re dead tired but can’t sleep. I’ve been able to just lie here exhausted with my eyes closed and it’s really taken my mind off of the gross flu-like pain. So yeah, amazing content and I needed it today! Thank you
@WriteInAaronBushnell
2 жыл бұрын
My wife likes sound of rain as white noise to fall asleep to, but obscure naval history can't be beat in my eyes. Love the channel!
@Executioner9000
2 жыл бұрын
I loved the 3 phases of the British empire
@iivin4233
2 жыл бұрын
4:21 As i've heard from Dr. Alexander Clarke the irony is the states, "fighting for states' rights" had state guards that were among the best trained units in the South and their whole purpose was to constrain the rights of certain numerous individuals.
@funnydog7133
2 жыл бұрын
"states rights" are not "human rights"
@SonsOfLorgar
2 жыл бұрын
@@funnydog7133 which is why the csa was a nation without legitimacy or right to exist.
@donkeysaurusrex7881
2 жыл бұрын
@@SonsOfLorgar How was it any different from the US or most nations that existed from the dawn of time?
@egoalter1276
2 жыл бұрын
Every state is legitimage as long as it can enforce that legitimacy with force of arms. The confederacy was not legitimate because they lost, not because slavery is abhorrent.
@keith6706
2 жыл бұрын
There was exactly one single "right" they cared about.
@jeffcattell8311
2 жыл бұрын
As always, your wendsday rum ration is one of my favorite things you produce. But I must point out, that you spoke very little on the second part of the civil war River war. Not a complaint! It was thouraly enjoyed. But you still have to produce part II. Darn good video none the less. Keep up the exceptional work. Thank you.
@alanansara2190
2 жыл бұрын
This was great. It started very focused and ended up being 2 guys vibing on random historical topics
@LeCharles07
2 жыл бұрын
Roflmao I laughed way too hard at this talk after a few beers. I absolutely love your sense of humor, Drach. I'm sad I live in the land locked part of the US and won't be able to meet you to express my gratitude for all the wonderful content you produce. You are an inspiration.
@stevewindisch7400
2 жыл бұрын
Very nice video, enjoyed the great comments and observations of Mr. Chick. I would agree that the Napoleonic Wars would probably produce the winner of the merchant capture competition, but it would be impossible to actually know since so many of those captures were re-captured by the side that lost it in the first place. This happened to probably half of the U.S. privateer captures in the War of 1812 (which was an incredibly huge number of merchant ships otherwise). The french and their allies also re-took a large percentage. Also, a surprising amount of merchant captures were later reversed in Prize Courts or other courts of law as being "neutrals" or otherwise ineligible for capture. So maybe, the later practice of the captor sinking the ships instead of trying for prizes is the safest measure, as it has no quibbles. It also was much less piratical and money-grubbing ;)
@jacobdill4499
2 жыл бұрын
I thought the one gun on USS Princeton failed because it was a solid cast copy of the gun Erickson built. Where Erickssons gun has a set of compressed hoops for strength.
@watchface6836
2 жыл бұрын
The perfect thing to listen to as I clock in.
@Masada1911
2 жыл бұрын
Have a good day friend
@JonathanSchattke
2 жыл бұрын
question at 30 minutes leads to a 45 minute diversion... lol, I love you guys.
@davidvik1451
2 жыл бұрын
It was the USS Miantonomoh ( try to say it?) that made the UK/Europe tour. I believe that voyage was more to say her's what you will have to deal with if you plan to threaten our coast, not that we will cross the sea to do battle with you. To the point that the Civil War USN was a rag tag fleet; it was. In order to maintain a recognized blockade of the Confederacy, the maritime rules required that the blockading party must have a "ship of war" every so many miles (don't recall the number)to have a legal blockade. This required a great number of ships, and some powers across the pond thought the USN did not have enough ships to maintain. If it floated and could navigate, put a gun and a flag on it, commission it, and you have a USN "ship of war". I've seen Mathew Bradey photos of a ferry boat with a gun on it.
@josephrasberry3850
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Glad your checking out New Orleans. I live here in Louisiana. Love your channel
@lucassmith4524
2 жыл бұрын
Im currently in Downtown Shreveport, the target of the Red River debacle.
@davidrossa4125
2 жыл бұрын
Ah the video with the dude who is occasionally possessed by the Devil.
@gideonokun5538
2 жыл бұрын
Remember to actually put the link to the previous part in the description.
@vonskyme9133
2 жыл бұрын
"Nah, what are you talking about Drach. I remember that one, it wasn't that long ago. I'll go look at it, see, it was only... 8 bloody months? How on earth has it been 8 months?"
@emintey
2 жыл бұрын
The statement by John Ericsson that the monitors (and hence monitor like vessels) would float on the seas like a duck was just a bit of an overstatement.
@mikearuba726
2 жыл бұрын
Waited 8 months for this Drach, I checked everyday for this video to come out. Now I watch it at 4am and fall asleep to it like everyother one of your videos 🗿
@jamesbarca7229
2 жыл бұрын
A peacetime war crime...best comment I've ever heard regarding the scrapping of the Enterprise. Long live the Grey Ghost.
@jaredcore8888
2 жыл бұрын
"Boarding" please make a series of Boarding ships, capturing ships. Before age of sail, during, and after please!! Like your cannons and ship building series... Thx!
@AdamMGTF
2 жыл бұрын
Pop the question in patron :) otherwise sadly drach is unlikely to see this post.
@31terikennedy
2 жыл бұрын
It was the the USS Miantonomoh, Miantonomoh-Class monitor, that sailed to the UK in 1866.
@theawickward2255
2 жыл бұрын
About the comment on the American War of Tax Evasion: You're not wrong, but it'd be more accurate to say that Britain had a habit of getting its colonies to support its military, and the 13 got sick of it long before Canada did. The whole quibble started when the Brits decided to pay for the French and Indian war by taxing the colonies directly (which they hadn't done before; they'd just taxed trade), and the colonists protested on the grounds that they didn't have a Member of Parliament to vote on the new taxes. Then everything escalated, war happened, several European countries saw a golden opportunity for revenge, and Britain lost the tax money and the Colonies to boot, and were very salty about it for while.
@gruntforever7437
Ай бұрын
There is so much information in this video that I wished it was three times as long
@Cubcariboo
2 жыл бұрын
A video on the British naval officer involment in the wars of South America would be interesting. Peru vs Ecuador as a prime example.
@augustosolari7721
2 жыл бұрын
I think a video in the riverine warfare on the Paraguayan War would be quite interesting.
@Dogbertious
2 жыл бұрын
Came for the riverine history, stayed for the rambling naval discussion.
@billwilson-es5yn
Жыл бұрын
Both sides shared a problem once the fighting started. They had maps that only showed the course of the rivers, main roads and railroad lines. None showed the secondary roads and trails going to the small towns in the rural regions so they had to get directions from the local residents and farmers. The accuracy of their information was dependent on their opinion of the war. They would send lost detachments down the wrong roads or trails to prevent them from fighting in their region. The Union Army used small steamboats to deliver supplies for the advancing units so their captains would hail locals ashore of the whereabouts of certain landings. The supply ships weren't escorted by gunboats so the captains were happy to unload anywhere it was quiet to get away before fighting erupted. The supplies were left lightly guarded so often were looted by armed locals after shooing the guards away.
@przemekbozek
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, love Sean's work on the wargaming side😁
@cavscout888
2 жыл бұрын
Good talk! Loved hearing who was looking for which lessons from each side and how they'd be implemented or not.
@kazeshi2
2 жыл бұрын
5 min guide to warships splash screen at the start of an hour and 18 min video. got a good laugh out of me, cheers.
@ThePrader
Жыл бұрын
Boy did Drach nail it when he said ," America is a country founded by some very rich people that wanted to evade paying taxes , and never stopped". We are a greedy bunch of tax evaders. Always have been. Always will be.
@Wallyworld30
2 жыл бұрын
If you want to hear more from Sean Chick he does Sunday night live streams with "Thersites the Historian" every Sunday night. Thersites channel specializes in ancient Greek and Roman history but the livestreams topics range from WW2, Civil War, ancient history and even modern events.
@Thomas_Name
9 ай бұрын
I loved the stuff about the British empire at the end. Great fun.
@MatthewChenault
2 жыл бұрын
Well, since you’re currently in the US and you’ll be going through Virginia twice, maybe you might have the time to take a stop at the Museum of the Confederacy in Richmond, Virginia and you might get to see some relics from CSS _Virginia._ Actually, they’re right outside of the museum. The CSS _Virginia’s_ drive shaft is sitting right next to the White House of the Confederacy (Jefferson Davis’s home) while its anchor and chain are just across the walkway. There’s also a few pieces of _Virginia’s_ armor on display inside the museum down in the sub-floor.
@AdamMGTF
2 жыл бұрын
I think he pretty much planned his itinerary in 2019 🤣
@richardstephens3327
2 жыл бұрын
Great second video. I would enjoy hearting you talking to Dr. Donald S. Frazier on the confederate Cottonclads and the homemade alternatives to mettle armored riverboats and harbor ships.
@AdamMGTF
2 жыл бұрын
I've never heard of any of that. So I'd find that interesting. I wonder how much drach knows (given that books on the history of the American civil war aren't popular here.)
@richardstephens3327
2 жыл бұрын
@@AdamMGTF I know that Dr, Frazier's book "Cottonclads" is available on Amazon for about $5. might be worth picking up.
@jackkunkel
2 жыл бұрын
There was a lot more discussion of other matters here, than there was about the the river war in the American Civil War.
@johnthomas7517
2 жыл бұрын
The US during the Korean War, especially the first 6 months, were dragging tanks and trucks left on various island battlefields, shipping them to Japan to be refurbished, then sent on to Korea for use. Task Force Smith was given WWI arms to face T-34s. It didn't turn out so well.
@davidbryden7904
2 жыл бұрын
Ah, here we go! I've been thirsting for this Rum Ration! Cheers!
@Scott11078
2 жыл бұрын
After watching parts one and two today, it made me remember something I've been thinking about off and on when I had first started playing World of Warships during closed beta. There seems to be a vast and very rich history of Naval warefare between maybe the 1840's up to designs that inspired the ones that fought during WW1 that even people who would consider themselves fans of naval history either know practically nothing at all or something but if they had to write it out could barley be considered a paragraph. Pirate games increase the interest in the age of sail. Anyone who wouldn't agree that WW1 and up is HEAVILY showcased in media, etc. is an obvious troll. So I'm curious if what I've been thinking about is something others would also have intrest in. What if wows, or maybe they bring in a small team to make something like an offshoot, it doesn't even have to be wows at all but atleast a company competent enough to not make something awful. I don't see wows wanting to make a special event game with sub-tiers, they REALLY probabably want to redo the tier system where the amount of content lumped in is so great that current tier 10 battleships and I'm just using a single class for the example. What's currently tier 10 becomes a tier 20, 40?..... 100 even? A game with such limited selection you could get away with 5ish subtiers would be better than nothing, an extremely resticted but well thought out an executed would atleast be a goodstart, quality can't help but build a fanbase in todays age a very small BUT very rabid/loyal fanbase can wield a power greater than anyone even 20 years ago could never belive possible. There's enough of watching and in the current channels case listening to him, of course I say this now and I can't verify it without discarding my post but irl I'm really pressed for time, I probably don't have time for this shit now. He probably has a viewership that can rival some of the mid size and definitely the smaller sized TV and cable networks. Yet, he has nowhere close to the budget and definitely the pay they do. And he's not making big complicated shows drawing people in. It's, and I say this at the most basic level, and it's not meant as any type of insult towards him. But this channel is basically some dude sitting at his desk. Hell, he might do some of this on the toliet, who knows? But I mean why wouldn't you? I would I guarantee you that if I ever start a channel and never have to show my face, I'm doing a lot of it from the bathroom with some audio editing. It's not a black screen or that plus words, he does post up a lot of pictures and even if you"ve seen some already you haven't seen all of them so it would keep a fans intrest. But it's not nessicary to watch. The last few I've watched have been with the screen off and speakers up while I do stuff around the house. On a budget small enough that if you are able to have a computer and internet you have enough money and if you don't you're obviously smart enough to figure out how to get the money. And yes, the extreme amount of lazyness that's affected a sizeable chunk of the global population is being left out. The yes, they could, but meehh... the reason most of them watch a single channel on tv for so long is because they are too lazy to locate the remote control. An invention itself invented because people were too lazy to get up, walk over to the tv, and adjust things. AND the previous invention wasn't lazy enough, the cord was the leash they wanted to cut. But anger or a deep love of something has the powerful effect of making the lazy, not so.... and in most cases a short but useful amount of time. I'm looking back and so far I've said a ton without really saying anything at all so I'm going to chop a lot out because if no one really cares tha this is a waste of bandwith and if people are interested questions will be asked. Is anyone interested in a wows, wt ish naval combat game from 1840's the age of steam propulsion up to the time not being covered now or ever before? Basically, right up to before practically, every game seems to start at.
@jehl1963
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting how Great Britain was looking at the rise of the US and Germany (both without empires) with concern, while both the US and Germany were both looking at Great Britain's empire with envy. The grass is always greener...
@AdamMGTF
2 жыл бұрын
It's worth noting three things. 1: the French happened and the British empire didn't want another world rival and another 100 years of war. US world policy has echoes of this post ww2 2: Germany was a very very new country. Yet inspite of Bismarck holding Germany back. Germany still rapidly began gobbling up any spot of land it could and as already having, arguably the world's best land army. Was now looking worldwide. Note point 1. This happend with France and it cost a couple of generations near continuous war. 3: Americans don't tend to like the word 'empire'. But they had one. And it was expanding at a heck of a rate. Not just had the US gobbled up most of a continent (and would sparadically fight for the rest). But she had and would continue to gain island colony's. Arguably the current American empire is global, much like they used to say about the empire of GB. The sun never sets on American territory. So yeh. Hope that helps
@chriskortan1530
2 жыл бұрын
Drach, since you're heading to Mobile for the Alabama any chance you'll work in a side trip to Fort Morgan? It has quite a lot of US coastal fort history from just after the War of 1812 to WW II. The earthworks the Union used to rake it back are even still present. Damn the torpedoes and all that.
@rudywoodcraft9553
2 жыл бұрын
Very enjoyable--the accidental empire idea was new to me, but makes sense once you laid it out
@craighagenbruch3800
2 жыл бұрын
8 months ago? Shit, i could have sworn it felt like yesterday......
@sammybaugues1260
2 жыл бұрын
Great collaborative video ..thank you Drachinator
@achilleus918
2 жыл бұрын
Been listening to sean chick for a while from his content with Thersites, really cool seeing him on this channel!
@z3r0_35
Жыл бұрын
"America is a country founded on tax evasion." You're goddamned right, and we're proud of it!
@peterthomson4632
2 жыл бұрын
As always, lots to learn here. I will take issue with Drach's characterisation of the British Empire-building and governance. It may not look like it to us, but Britain was probably the tightest and among the most efficient governments of the C18 (relative to its rivals). It could raise taxes at a rate that France or Spain could only envy, and, from 1688 ran a fairly consistent strategic policy. It saw itself as a Protestant nation under threat from Catholic France, its leaders were aware that finance was the key to survival (Pitt remarked that 'modern wars are contentions of purse' - ie, that victory went to the one with the largest and most stable cash flow, and hence the best credit), and they set out to capture the key cash trades, both for themselves and to deny them to France. These were the India trade in textiles (India had a technology lead in weaving, dying and printing) and the West Indies trade in sugar. The two were connected, in that Indian cloth was the main commodity desired by Africans, so cloth paid for slaves, slaves made sugar, cloth and sugar paid for the navy, the navy enhances British trade and suppresses French trade and round you go. The East India Company was an arm of the British government, under its overall direction. The empire goes through phases, but only becomes an administrative loss after India goes (India paid for half the British army, among other things). Hence rapidly wound down after 1960. There's a lot of good administrative history on this - eg Knight's Britain Against Napoleon or Andress The Gathering Storm (both on the effort against Revolutionary and Napoleonic France) or Brewer's Sinews of Power on earlier periods.
@raghncrow8104
2 жыл бұрын
You write: "I will take issue with Drach's characterisation of the British Empire-building and governance." Myself, as well. You raise excellent points. Britain WAS the tightest and most efficient governments at that time. As I wrote elsewhere here, since the end of the 17th century, when the Bank of England was founded (1694) and the influential Freemasons (1717) not long after, a sophisticated cadre of wealthy men and powerful politicians, descendants of those who overthrew the Stuarts, were working "behind the scenes" to direct British policy. They had great power. The Bank of England (in essence) started the American Revolution when they got Parliament to pass a law trashing the local American colonial money called "Colonial Script". That caused a severe depression in the Colonies. Bottom line, the "Second British Empire" was in no way accidental.
@joshwhite3339
2 жыл бұрын
Remember there's no point in having a big fleet just to have one. Life isn't a video game. Post-Civil War, the U.S. understood this, and also understood they were under no direct threat from anyone. So, rather than frivolously spending on ships they didn't need, they contented themselves with quietly becoming an economic juggernaut. By 1914, they were the most powerful country in the world. I'd say it paid off.
@georgelincolnrockwell14
2 жыл бұрын
Ah I thought you had forgotten about this! Thanks for finishing it up!
@IdleDrifter
2 жыл бұрын
Americans and British Navies staring at each other. Yelling insults at each other than firing shots. Would be pretty funny.
@andrewsummit8314
2 жыл бұрын
TY so much for your hard work Drach, you are the Ken Burns of you tube. have you ever been approached by a major tv channel like BBC or PBS (tv channel here in the states) to do a major documentary ? If not they are fools for not trying to hire you.
@AdamMGTF
2 жыл бұрын
Sadly "major documentaries" aren't what they were. The BBC is a public organisation and most of the public aren't interested in nerd level history. Those members of the public that are interested are watching this video 🤣 Also. When looking for talking heads, the BBC and other producers. Will always go to academic experts. I.e professors. or they will get some "famous" none entity to present.
@notshapedforsportivetricks2912
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think that the Beeb would appreciate either Drach's relaxed presentation style, nor his expressed political views. You might object "He hasn't expressed any obvious political views"; and I'd respond, "Exactly".
@calvingreene90
2 жыл бұрын
The competent USofA Admiral would probably sortie the fleet of coastal iron clads against the British ship of the line fleet if he got a dead calm to operate in.
@josephpicogna6348
2 жыл бұрын
Kind of got distracted and lost towards the end, British Colonial History but here is a picture I took in the Admin Bldg of NAVBASE Phila in the 1950’s. There were eight civil war monitors kept in the fresh waters of League Island until the 1930’s. Unfortunately one were saved.
@michaelmclaren7373
2 жыл бұрын
In 1865, the US had more ironclads than anyone - perfect for coastal defence against, say, the biggest navy on the planet having a go with their iron-clad frigates. Ideal for breaking blockades, but not so good against the same navy’s commerce raiders operating just offshore…which was an environment the Monitors were supremely ill-suited for.
@AdamMGTF
2 жыл бұрын
Not a bad summary of the whole video :) Tho it's worth pointing out that the iornclads may have been very good for defence in immediate costal waters. But don't forget. Had america needed to fight a proper blue water navy. The iornclads wouldn't be much use. As a blockade off the coast with huge "proper" iornclads would still strangle the economy.
@allangibson2408
2 жыл бұрын
Except they inherited a number of large commerce raiders from the Confederate Navy…
@vaudevillian7
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic, it would be great to get your take on riverine warfare in the Vietnam War
@lowlandnobleman6746
2 жыл бұрын
The making of this video took longer then the making of the CSS Neuse. Tar Heels will get that reference.
@MatthewChenault
2 жыл бұрын
Neuse-Neuse!
@deckape714
2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU Drac and Shawn
@hadenpone7936
2 жыл бұрын
Finally it’s here, thank you!
@Jagdtyger2A
2 жыл бұрын
If the British had attacked the US Navy shortly after the Trent affair, they only had two modern Ironclad warships and if they tangled with a "Passiac " class monitor or one of the double monitors, their 4.5" vertical armor would not have survived, while the heavier monitor armor would have laughed at the "Black Prince" and "Warrior's" biggest guns. Only an armored up and heavy gunned "Great Eastern" would have posed any possible threat, and multiple monitors could handle even that. It wasn't until late in the Civil War that the "Angincourt" and siblingd were available and they still had thin armor
@jacobhammock3355
2 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite naval battles was at the blockade of the mississippi and the C.S.S. Arkansas
@c.caecilius8791
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks again! Alas I will miss you at the Iowa and Midway. I live in the area but will b we on the other coast for business ...
@johndeboyace7943
2 жыл бұрын
Lord Lyons warned the government that they would be outnumbered 5 to 1 if they came ashore in a war and would not win. The US had a million man army in 1865. You can day dream about a naval engagement, but US would invade Canada. The US warned Britain this would happen if they recognized the Confederacy. The US public were also very anti-British in this period, so war would be popular. The British navy didn’t help them win in the American revolution or war of 1812. You have to come ashore to win a war.
@lordofspearton8643
Жыл бұрын
I'll be honest though, in any scenario that sees the Brits intervene in the Civil War I almost inevitably see the French joining in soon after. Napoleon III had a puppet monarch on the throne of Mexico at the time and wanted the CSA as a buffer state/ally in the region. I think if the Brits joined the war the French would too out of opportunism. If you consider the Brits securing the coast, and the expeditionary capability of the 2nd Empire's army, I think it's likely that even if they couldn't get a numerical superiority, they could get close enough for the better quality of their units to show through. The French army had several recent expeditionary wars under its belt at this point and the American army was mostly new draftees or volunteers. I think in the end the USA would still come out on top, but only so long as the people are willing to continue the war.
2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting Video 👍
@garyhill2740
2 жыл бұрын
There are some fascinating images of European river monitors in the video that I would love to know more about. Perhaps if a revised or extended version of the video is in our future, these could be labeled with a ship or class name and approximate time of service? That way those with interest would have a starting point for questions of further research? Just a suggestion. Something I would enjoy. Perhaps a video, or series of videos, on European river monitors would be interesting? I would love to see this. Keep up the awesome work Mr. Drach!
@astraltraveler2725
2 жыл бұрын
Always a decent production at Drachinifel. 👍👍
@craigpalmer9196
2 жыл бұрын
the USN got the fleet when it was needed, also military spending has to be approved every 2 years
@jeffbybee5207
2 жыл бұрын
At 18.15 wonder where that picture location with both English rifles [ Armstrong or Blakely?] And Dahlgren guns? Charleston? At the castle?
@jeffbybee5207
2 жыл бұрын
Castle picknenny?
@guiltyofbias8818
2 жыл бұрын
I had just re watched pt.1 last night and was wondering when the next part was coming out.
@JDBlack3347
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, the line about the British empire conquering the world by accident is very reminiscent of the old line about the Roman empire conquering the known world in self defense. Both empires would have been significantly different if they had not had the conflicts they did
@avgj0378
2 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the U.S., Drach! Sorry I can't meet you when you're touring USS North Carolina.
@silverpairaducks
2 жыл бұрын
Yea
@Right-Is-Right
2 жыл бұрын
No the quartering act does not say "You can not have soldiers quartered in a private residence" The constitution says "No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law". It is the third amendment of the constitution, it even has an out in it "in a manner to be prescribed by law", so any congress can change it by enacting a law. In fact it was a reply to the British quartering act(s) that did the opposite in the US colonies at the time. Sorry but as someone that likes the US constitution and history and who has studied this, it irks me when people get it wrong.
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