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@Historyden
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks :)
@sirclueless4083
8 жыл бұрын
This is awesome! I've always been obsessed with Ancient Greece. Keep it up!
@Historyden
8 жыл бұрын
Thank you :)
@xristinamaltezaki441
9 жыл бұрын
Great job again! just a small note. The Greek language have various "i" letters that are spelled differently. For example "perioikoi" is spelled like "periiki" so it sounds like "e" and not "i" (pereeki) or something like that the o's are silent. Just like tha word "apoikia" we pronounce it "apekia" the o's again are silent. Hope i helped!
@Historyden
9 жыл бұрын
Xristina Maltezaki Thanks! It's on my list to learn Greek and Latin one of these days - I should have taken those languages instead of Spanish
@gregl1547
5 жыл бұрын
This is a really great video. You do such a good job conveying the constitution of the Spartans. Really well done!
@boomsaway3
9 жыл бұрын
you are a legend, this is going to help me with my hsc in one week
@Historyden
9 жыл бұрын
+boomsaway3 Thank you sir
@boomsaway3
9 жыл бұрын
+Historyden do you think you can make a video on the historians of sparta, xerxes or greece
@Historyden
9 жыл бұрын
+boomsaway3 I have thought about doing just that - a series on ancient historians and philosophers. I probably will get to that when I finish this series off.
@DoubleSwords117
9 жыл бұрын
+boomsaway3 Same here! Good luck to you!
@kevinlovepchy
8 жыл бұрын
You really help me a lot in learning history. I am totally enchanted by these episodes. Thanks a lot for the efforts that you made!!
@Historyden
8 жыл бұрын
+戴威 Why thank you :)
@30014175
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This is the exact type of video I needed. Well put together and wasn't boring to watch!
@jimmypellas5937
Жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation, love the history of my geographical Roots, sad thing was, the ironic contradictions mentioned where the popular, Holywood image is of Spartans standing for freedom: a quasi metaphor the equally corrupt hegemony of the USA, where in fact both Sparta and USA have caused nothing but misery for their neighbours, allies and enemies.
@philp521
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this series! Going through it and taking notes is one of my Coronavirus Quarantine projects. Out of curiosity, what is your background in history? You strike me as significantly more knowledgeable than any history teacher I had before college.
@Historyden
4 жыл бұрын
I graduated in English Literature but took a ton of history courses ... still most of my research has been done outside of college
@MrLittlejeffey
8 жыл бұрын
Im going to be without internet for a week :( Now how will i learn things! Great videos, absolutely loving your channel
@Historyden
8 жыл бұрын
+MrLittlejeffey Thank you sir and I know what you mean - I can barely last a few hours without the internet.
@christianpina4813
3 жыл бұрын
i wacthing this during class it is really interesting :):)
@zackm.3176
8 жыл бұрын
That was really helpful because am Greek and the history book for my class is about ancient times and it has little to none information about Spartan society.
@Historyden
8 жыл бұрын
+Zac Manic You have come to the right place ... I talk about the Spartans a lot in my Ancient Greek series.
@TheBOIV18
9 жыл бұрын
Just want to say that the Helots belonged solely to the state and spartiates had no 'real' power of them. Helots were given accommodation, chance of freedom if performed good in war (although most were secretly killed by the kyrpteia as a potential threat). They also get to keep whatever produce leftover after providing the requirements.
@DoubleSwords117
9 жыл бұрын
+Salahuddin Al Ghurabi No, this isn't true in the sense that they had no true power over them. And the Krypteia were openly known to the Helots as a threat. In fact, the Krypteia were allowed to kill any Helot at will during autumn by decree of the Ephorate. They were advised to kill the strongest and smartest, but from what ancient sources I've read it seems to be rather barbaric (heh) and non-specific in some cases. This seems to make sense to me. Kicking the helots in the face once a year would be a small price to pay for their constant fear of overwhelming rebellion. Yeah, the food was about half. Tyrteus writes about that. The hoplites and Krypteia were constantly trying to keep control over the Helots out of fear and reason in the past. If they had no power over the Helots there wouldn't be such a strong emphasis on the military in peacetime and the krypteia.
@Historyden
9 жыл бұрын
+Gabe .Brett True and they fought 2 VERY bloody wars over that lasted almost a half century - and also the Messenians were on their way to forming their own city state so I can't imagine they had a lot of love for the Spartans.
@DoubleSwords117
9 жыл бұрын
And they actually formed a successful rebellion a few times. Most notably forming a militia and retreating to a temple in the Tygetes where the Spartan slaughtered them, breaking the sanctity of the temple, being the Massacre at Taenarus.
@TheBOIV18
9 жыл бұрын
Gabe .Brett Power over them in a sense of typical master to slave relationship. The Krypteia were government approved so once again it was a state thing rather than individuality freedom over the Helots. And yeah, the Krypteia were ruthless but as you stated this was intended to drive fear in them and the annual declaration of war against the Helots every year by the Ephors justified this.
@officersmokey9439
9 жыл бұрын
I have an unhealthy obsession with the Spartans. Thank you for this entire Ancient Greece series Im currently in the peloponnesian wars videos but came back for a refresher. Do you know if its possible to visit the ruins of Ancient Sparta if you go to the Modern City of Sparta. Im going to look into that Hoping to get to take a trip to Greece in the near future.
@Historyden
9 жыл бұрын
oneFUBAR 12B Yes they are certainly there but unfortunately there is not a lot left standing. Part of the reason is the fact the Spartans were not the great builders that the Athenians were. But still the area is quite beautiful and certainly worth a visit - for the mountains alone. I would also certainly visit Mycenae which has the Homeric sites as well as a great museum. Corinth also has several intriguing ruins and museums and the best preserved theatre is at Epidaurus. There are also some great sites in Messenia. If you visit Attica the Parthenon of course is a must and the Temple of Poseidon is awesome (it commands a spectacular view of the Aegean). Perhaps the most famous museum in Greece is the National Archeological Museum in Athens.
@officersmokey9439
9 жыл бұрын
Historyden Thank you very much I'm sitting here writing all these you have mentioned down. I have always been very interested in the Greeks. Unfortunately it was never covered in school. I know this sounds terrible but I had never heard of the Spartans or Athenians etc. until the movie 300 came out. Since then I have been learning more and more on my own but its so vast that I have only scratched the surface. The wars and military aspect is what interest me the most. I would like to go to the site of thermoplyae marathon plataue (sorry for misspellings) etc. As a Soldier now I like to think a past ancestor of mine was a spartan lol. I know that's probably not the case as I come from and Irish ancestry but a man can dream lol Thank you very much for this series however I absolutely love them.
@Historyden
9 жыл бұрын
oneFUBAR 12B 300 really did a lot to spurn a lot of interest in Ancient Greece - so I am glad they made the movie and hope they make many more movies on the time period. Thanks for the nice words I will continue to make many more.
@officersmokey9439
9 жыл бұрын
Historyden Agreed the movie did sort of mislead in a way they do portray the spartans as a war mongering city state which actually they kind of weren't I like to picture the spartans as a huge bees nest if you dont mess with the bees nest more than likely your not going to get stung but if you decide your going to take a news paper and swat at it your going to get stung and get stung alot. anyways nice talking to you have a good one.
@oscarrookie
8 жыл бұрын
When you mentioned that the Spartan population (22:23), were you referring to just the military strength or the Spartan populations as a whole?
@Historyden
8 жыл бұрын
Hello .. the Spartiates
@BENCMEN
7 жыл бұрын
Ha you think the Spartan's government is a mess, please check out Belgium. Most complex government in the world..
@Historyden
7 жыл бұрын
I can imagine
@Matthew-Anthony
7 жыл бұрын
Historyden If the Spartans were so feared and admired, why were so many cities opposed to living under the Spartan Empire? Were the taxes too high or something like that?
@Historyden
7 жыл бұрын
They admired them but living under them was a different story ... they found the Spartans to be a little too regimented and too brutal for their liking.
@sedoskovelha123
8 жыл бұрын
I do not think that modern history gives the deserved credit to the lacedaemonians, I see many misninterpretations of their history and an lack of contextualisation to the time period and to their rivals. I would not like to start here an revisionist wall of text, but I could recommend to any who are interested in expanding their view of Hellas one site of a list of the sites I used to study classical greece with an different eye (And may I say I dont agree with everything presented there, and I do not expect any of you to do so), its called _Sparta Reconsidered_ If there's any doubt, I would advise to just trust historical sources, and to that I would recommend people like Xenophon, Herodotus and perhaps even the people in the circle of Socrates and the man himself. Some other historians like Thucydides are probably too biased and many other historians probably never got in touch with the Spartans to begin with. I do post here because I care. If you just got to witness this channel I guarantee you that the man who runs its content tries to present the history with transparency and with verisimilitude, most of the times at least. It is a rare channel and one of the rare channels in the entirety of youtube that I would recommend for an more deep immersion in history, the majority of channels that cover history are not too loyal to the sources and do an very revisionist and even ideologically inclined analysis of historical periods and facts;
@Historyden
8 жыл бұрын
+Achilles Lacedaemonios Trojan Why thank you ... I do make an effort not to present any material in a biased manner. I have been to the site Sparta Reconsidered and consider it to be one of the very best blogs on Sparta out there. Her passion for Sparta is unrivaled.
@xMaanmediax
10 жыл бұрын
This was very helpfull! I will ace my History project with this helpfull information! Thanks!
@Historyden
10 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped you. Good luck on your project!
@nikitakuznetsov8446
7 жыл бұрын
Do you know if the Spartans were around during the Mycenean times? Apperantly Sparta was founded in 900BC but according to Homer they fought in the Trojan wars which happened in 1200BC.
@Historyden
7 жыл бұрын
They were not .. but some of the cities were
@nikitakuznetsov8446
7 жыл бұрын
So the Mycenean Sparta of Homer where king Menelaus and Helen lived didn't exist?
@Historyden
7 жыл бұрын
It's possible they did, but just not the Spartans from classical Greece. The culture would have been very different .. especially since the classical Spartans had a polis or city state.
@nikitakuznetsov8446
7 жыл бұрын
Ahh I see. Did the Greek from the Mycenean times and the Greeks from classical and Archaic Greece speak the same language and worship the same Gods.
@Historyden
7 жыл бұрын
Yep many of the Greek gods originate all the way back to Mycenaean Greece. The language also carried over .. but most of the culture and writing systems were lost.
@NunofromPortugal
6 жыл бұрын
I have a question to anyone who might be able to clear this up for me. How old exactly is SPARTA? And when i say Sparta i dont mean older settlements in the same location, i mean, when did they start using the name Sparta to refer to that specific location. I ask this because, according to the ILIAD, Helen is from "Sparta", and Menelaus is the king of "Sparta". However, according to historians, "Sparta" did not exist until 900 BC. I know there were other, much older settlements there, but when did the name Sparta first come up? Because if Sparta existed during the Trojan War, then Sparta existed in 1200 BC.
@chez9044
8 жыл бұрын
Hi, what does "one king could veto another one"? Doesn't veto mean to like "dismiss"?
@Historyden
8 жыл бұрын
Yep .. it was a system of check and balances .. this prevented any one person from changing the constitution
@chez9044
8 жыл бұрын
Historyden thanks
@sdizel4793
4 жыл бұрын
great video very informative, but you didnt mention the women of sparta they were treated equally to men (in those times was unheard of) so there is a lot of interesting information I wanted to understand.
@Historyden
4 жыл бұрын
That is true very true
@bettersounds1926
Жыл бұрын
in Athens or Sparta if you were a slave and had" skin in the game " (fought in war )you could have gain citizenship , correct? some sources say that
@Historyden
Жыл бұрын
Yeah that could actually happen ... they could buy their freedom.
@bettersounds1926
Жыл бұрын
@@Historyden and be citizens in Athens or Sparta ?
@Historyden
Жыл бұрын
@@bettersounds1926 As I recall this was about Athens I am not sure about Sparta but in theory they might have a similar practice
@benquinney2
6 жыл бұрын
Come back with your shield or on it
@artman40
8 жыл бұрын
Could we say that Messenian wars and subsequent revolts were just a phyrric victory for Sparta? In order to keep Messenians enslaved, they had to basically enslave themselves and create this war-based society that basically ruined their entire lives? So did Perioikoi have more civil rights despite having less political rights?
@Historyden
8 жыл бұрын
+artman40 It certainly was a tiered society. The Helots farmed the lands .. and as I recall were obligated to give half their produce to their Spartan master. The Perioikoi were freemen who provided weapons and equipment. They had more rights, but were not citizens. This unique structure gave the Spartiates time to concentrate 100pct on war. The Messenian Wars were certainly brutal and not easy for Sparta. The Messenians themselves were very war-like and were on their way to establishing their own powerful city state until Sparta interrupted their plans.
@luciferlightbringer2337
7 жыл бұрын
Will you ever make a historic/gaming video playing total war Rome 2 (wrath of sparta)? its theme is the Peloponnesian war.
@Historyden
7 жыл бұрын
I will have to check that version out for sure
@luciferlightbringer2337
7 жыл бұрын
Historyden wrath of sparta is a dlc. you can find its trailer on KZitem. by the way, I'm at the battle of salamis video right now. I found your channel a few hours ago and I'm just storming through your videos. good job bro!
@Historyden
7 жыл бұрын
Ahhhh the Battle of Salamis .. perhaps the greatest naval battle in ancient times
@kirkcannon4704
7 жыл бұрын
Spartan government was pretty similar to the roman republic, if the consuls were hereditary that is
@coitusinfernalis
6 жыл бұрын
romans were similar to spartans because spartans were almost thousand years before the romans
@gandalfstormcloud7514
5 жыл бұрын
When you graduated from the agoge you went out and murdered a helot to keep them living in constant fear. Know what they ate? Blood soup. And for fun? They'd let the starving kids play a game of "steal the cheese"... 2 teams tried to steal the cheese while the adults beat the crap out of them. Another competition? Which kid can get whipped the most. Some died instead of giving up. Last story...the kids were deliberately underfed so they had to learn how to steal food. If they were caught, they were beaten severely. So one kid manages to steal a young fox and he hides it under his tunic....and gets caught. Rather than admit he stole, he let the fox disembowel him trying to escape!
@zackm.3176
7 жыл бұрын
Historyden what is your source? I ask because you usually put one.
@Historyden
7 жыл бұрын
The three main sources are Xenophon, Herodotus, and Thucydides.
@zackm.3176
7 жыл бұрын
Τhank you very much and happy new year
@zackm.3176
7 жыл бұрын
Τhank you very much and happy new year
@jasonmuniz8802
7 жыл бұрын
An authoritarian oligarchy that ultimately got what it deserved.
@TopGun42069
5 жыл бұрын
Growing up and becoming wiser means learning that the ancient greeks were WAY overrated. Rome all the way.
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