⏲️ TIME STAMPS ⏲️ 0:00 : Preview 22:20 : Show begins!🔥 - Quick Announcements 24:30 : Sponsor - Upside (Use code FNF & Get Cashback on gas & food) 26:30 : Guests Introduction & stance on communism 30:00 : Rules for the debate 31:00 : Andrew - Communism is the ROOT cause of the degradation of United States 37:00 : Haz - ‘DEBT’ is the root cause & communism will help cancelling the debt 40:00 : Will communism help pay off the national debt? 44:00 : Andrew explains why communism doesn’t work 47:00 : Haz disagrees 50:00 : Round 3 : How does communism prevent people from stealing? 53:00 : What if we have a single party dictatorship like China & Soviet Union 58:00 : Sponsor - Bio Complete 3 (Learn how to cleanse your gut) 1:00:00 : Superchats! - France🇫🇷 is a failed society 1:01:00 : Tune into Fresh&Fit News tomorrow 1:02:00 : Is communism the reason behind mass famine? 1:03:00 : Communism & Ownership 1:06:30 : Is sharing resources a good idea? 1:16:30 : Was Ab0rt!0n promoted by Communism? 1:21:00 : Communism Vs. Capitalism - What is the root cause of degeneracy in the society? 1:27:00 : Are they to blame for Communism / B0l$hevism? 1:31:00 : Are they overrepresented in the positions of power? 1:34:00 : Did Stalin d!e poor & Do communist use state resources to enrich themselves? 1:38:30 : Sponsor - 1775 Coffee 1:40:00 : Superchats! 1:42:00 : Communism & Morality - Is it moral to be a communist 1:49:00 : What’s the victory condition under communism? 1:51:00 : Population crisis & the decline of birth rates 1:58:00 : China eliminated half of their population 2:00:00 : Industrialisation & the explosion of productive forces 2:06:00 : Why we couldn’t have supported 8 billion in the 1700’s? 2:10:00 : How does Christianity fit into Communism? 2:20:00 : Debate starts to get heated 2:22:30 : Sponsor - Nucific 2:24:00 : Superchats! - Jacksonhinkle shows up in the chat 2:28:00 : Communism & Free Speech 2:32:00 : Hegel’s theory 2:36:00 : Andrew doesn’t believe Haz is a muslim 2:40:00 : BACK to the main topic - What led to the degradation of United States? 2:46:00 : Is it worth it to sell out your neighbour for money? 2:50:00 : Communism Vs. Capitalism - What is moral & what is immoral? 3:07:00 : Violence under communism Vs. under capitalism 3:08:00 : Christian Vs. Muslim 3:11:00 : Join the CastleClub brotherhood - freshandfit.locals.com/ 3:12:00 : Sponsor - 1775 Coffee 3:13:00 : Superchats! / Switch over to CastleClub🏰 -- CastleClub Switch -- 3:18:00 : Is there an objective truth & should we be pursuing it? 3:22:00 : Is God’s nature the truth? 3:39:00 : Closing statements 3:44:00 : We’ll do a Part-II on this 3:45:00 : Zoom call begins! / Caller #1 - Why don’t Haz go live in a communist country? 3:47:00 : Caller #2 - Why does Andrew not have a stance in every debate? 3:51:30 : Andrew asks the caller - Did Mohammad F a 9 y/o girl? 3:53:00 : BRUHH!! - Does daydreaming about s**king D makes you g@y? 3:57:30 : Caller #3 criticises Haz’s view on Capitalism 4:07:00 : Caller #4 / We get death threats all the time 4:12:00 : Caller #5 - Alexander Dugin & the history of communism 4:15:00 : Caller #6 - Christian Vs. Muslim debate 4:19:00 : Caller #7 - Shoutout to Kaz 4:19:30 : Caller # 8 - IS Haz a J**? 4:20:00 : Caller #9 - Andrew got jokes😆 4:21:00 : Superchats! 4:24:00 : Sponsor - Pawsitive (Healthy pet food, snacks for your dog) 4:26:00 : Outro / See you tomorrow
@abidnabi777
26 күн бұрын
Frest&fit are finished they have moved there channel for money...I predict they are going to lose views ,subs ,and are going to fans ...it's game over
@weneedcriticalthinking
25 күн бұрын
Great show fellas. 3:13:27 the end of the show here cue the music and let the fat lady sing Haz won and bested Andrew. Haz pointed out Andrew was arguing in hypothetical and Haz was in reality, Also Haz pointed out with different words that Communism has more good morality because in the 21st century the century we are in. it does not spend millions so kapoof innocent millions, instead it's building Belt and Roads and the fastest trains in the world well we USA the capital of capitalism have the slowest.
@bernardburns2480
25 күн бұрын
@FreshFitMiami You guys should check out the cam newton podcast with the dr Cheyenne bryant. She was shaming cam newton for being with multiple women and not wanting to get married
@maxhdez2847
24 күн бұрын
Hey guys. Please do a vaccine vs no vaccine debate. Please. Thank
@robertacheson5976
23 күн бұрын
F&F bro lol how do you not post links to Andrew or Haz's channel l after give you 4 hours of content
@alaamini92
26 күн бұрын
Every time they have a high IQ debate, I like to look at fresh’s face 😂 lost
@Kameronali
26 күн бұрын
bruh is like the kid walking in on his dads convos just lost 😂
@leo8273
26 күн бұрын
not a high IQ debate. haz has facts, wilson has assumptions and biases
@dietdragon6367
26 күн бұрын
@@leo8273 ah yes, the guy you agree with has the facts whilst the other you disagree with has nothing but biases.. your bias is showing.
@aaronbarton227
26 күн бұрын
@dietdragon6367 Because the guy you responded to has low IQ. Ask him who is voting for. I bet he says Kamala Harris.
@slavicemperor8279
26 күн бұрын
@@leo8273 At least Andrew was humble enough to concede some points to Haz. I may not agree with Andrew on his worldview, but he's a man of principles.
@makaveli__23
26 күн бұрын
Yo I'm definitely digging this kind of vibe. Yall should have more of this type of content
@saintmte5076
25 күн бұрын
They've had a few of these in the past months now. I don't think they need more as it'll take away from their core. The way they've been drip feeding it is just about right. You just need to tune in more.
@thechuube8442
20 күн бұрын
watch Haz on Infrared, he does this all time, so many incredible debates. Few years ago he destroyed destiny, vaush, and the rest of leftist youtube in a single weekend lmao
@nowornever1073.
26 күн бұрын
2 men talking they both listen. 10 girls talking. Nobody listens
@testaccounting865
26 күн бұрын
Comment of the night! Well said!! :)
@alamataslim5820
26 күн бұрын
The dichotomy between the atmospheres when a bunch of women are talking versus when a bunch of men are talking. It’s like going from talking philosophy with 6th graders to college professors.
@Snorky_88
25 күн бұрын
The difference between men and women right there.
@Christusvinci
25 күн бұрын
Thats what happens when you gather low info women.
@cosyton1
25 күн бұрын
You can have very intelectual debate with women, but main problem here is format (number of guests, personal-oriented questions, moderation) and choosing of guests - instragram models, OF girls, gold diggers....
@Sig_P320
25 күн бұрын
This is how a debate is supposed to go. Not that other silliness on the whatever podcast
@dumkaisachakal6341
25 күн бұрын
Or whatever the blue haired coomer gnome is doing
@B1bLioPhil3
25 күн бұрын
It's because the people Andrew debates on that show are idiots.
@jackm1758
24 күн бұрын
I mean Andrew tried with the silliness, first on the JQ - Bolshevik myth he soon conceded on, and then later on what "society means", clearly unable to keep up with Haz' level. To be fair though, his good faith prevailed through the majority of it.
@uUuWolf16uUu
22 күн бұрын
@@jackm1758 I think you lack interpretation skills... Haz fled from Andrews arguments at every turning point. Dude didn't even have proper examples at many times.
@jackm1758
22 күн бұрын
@@uUuWolf16uUu like?
@noimworking
26 күн бұрын
People that never lived during communism love saying it’s a good thing 😂
@gb-fs1tz
26 күн бұрын
So do a majority of the people who DID live under it. And a majority of the people who CURRENTLY live under it.
@Tehz1359
26 күн бұрын
There is plenty of Russians alive that did live under communism that say it was good, are they all just crazy?
@slowboywhiteboardv4
26 күн бұрын
@@gb-fs1tz Because they are from the people who survived. That's what communism ultimately is, half the people stealing from the other half until the victims perish.
@noimworking
26 күн бұрын
@@gb-fs1tz majority ? How can you possibly know that majority say it’s. Good thing ? Where do you live and where have you lived ?
@BReinert4
26 күн бұрын
More than 90% of China supports their government.
@Proxenos_zh
25 күн бұрын
90 minutes in and Holy Mother of Buddha on a cracker if I had a drink every time Andrew had to say, "Ok, I concede ..." only to then pivot to something unrelated I'd be under the effing table.
@Proxenos_zh
25 күн бұрын
"so he made his leaders eat austere food, so what!? That doesn't mean he didn't have absolute POWER to do ANYTHING he wanted! So authoritarian!!" This said by someone who went by the handle "BigPappaFasc" You can't make this up. Stick a fork in the "Christian Nationalists" they're done. They're liberals who clutch pearls at authority.
@Uno_Floydd
22 күн бұрын
Time stamp it. Never heard him say that
@millwallholdings
20 күн бұрын
@@Uno_Floydd Not once did he say that Commie lover telling lies
@talutboura5523
Күн бұрын
@Uno_Floydd he said it at least 3 times
@nefariousthings-v5e
26 күн бұрын
A Communist and a christian nationalist walk into a podcast....
@ValRhapsody
25 күн бұрын
At least none of them are Protestants or Evangelicals
@joebenson528
25 күн бұрын
Stalinist* which makes them identical when it comes to social issues.
@slavicemperor8279
25 күн бұрын
@@joebenson528 Stalinism is just Marxism-Leninism aka standard 20th century communism
@panama2468
25 күн бұрын
@@joebenson528 golly gee, its almost like being conservative or traditional works when it comes to social issues 🫢
@ObservantLynx
25 күн бұрын
@@panama2468 dunking again I see this is not how you win people over to your side. You are only hurting your side LMAO. 🤣 communism will never be a thing don’t worry.
@muloshanzi915
26 күн бұрын
If it's open panel and the debate is going fine and has been agreed by both, please don't jump in with the minutes
@jesterprivilege
26 күн бұрын
@@muloshanzi915 you got 30 seconds 10 seconds
@nutrl
25 күн бұрын
Right it's so dumb
@brewsterway3730
24 күн бұрын
Completely agree. It’s bizarre to interject when they’ve mutually agreed to debate especially when they’re in the midst of conveying a point.
@nomercy4186
24 күн бұрын
Yeah being a moderator, you should just allow each person to make concise points without anyone getting significantly more time to speak. Just know when to interject when someone is bringing up too many topics in one monologue, like Destiny who will argue 30 different points at once
@BradleyPedersen-q7k
26 күн бұрын
No nation should be in debt to a family/class. That’s insanity
@logangodofcandy
25 күн бұрын
There isn't a class that everyone is in debt to. Morons just say it's a class.
@stevied3400
25 күн бұрын
It’s really easy to not be in debt.
@carlh.h.2242
25 күн бұрын
@@stevied3400sure, it’s so easy that the US is at all time high with Americans owing over 17.3 trillion in consumer debt.
@majestic-domination
25 күн бұрын
@@carlh.h.2242 It is easy. It's no ones fault but your own if you can't control your urge to buy the next new thing.
@AutisticVaxtard
24 күн бұрын
Usury in Catholic nations?
@morningstararun6278
24 күн бұрын
Capitalist guy says that the earth could have supported 8 billion lives in 1700s, and the most funny part is that, he stands by that point and debates for half hour.
@themilitantvegan2515
24 күн бұрын
Andrew L
@azouitinesaad3856
23 күн бұрын
that was so frustrating andrew is an id*ot for that.
@BecomeUltimate
23 күн бұрын
Communism doesnt even have any argument so idk wtf youre talking for, Communism has been tried multiple times in every continent and has failed SPECTACULARLY every time. You guys then say" that wasnt real communism" well it goes to show we cant even get past stage 1 of communism to EVEN SEE this "Real Communism" Because theres an extremely high chance the leader will be corrupted.
@morningstararun6278
23 күн бұрын
@@themilitantvegan2515 Indeed
@Ryanosaurr
23 күн бұрын
There is no proof that it couldn't work. If you teleported 8 billion people with the enough farms (on available land) to feed them, and had them work those farms with the existing technology of the time, there is nothing saying they couldn't survive. This was never disproven.
@khrachvikkhrachvik7049
24 күн бұрын
This Andrew guy seems to live in a fantasy land. Every question he asked was like “But Haz! Here’s some stupid question not from the real world, with no context! Answer exactly, even though it’s made up and has never actually happened or I’m gonna soy out!” And Haz keeps going, “Dude, can we please talk about the real world?” And he’s like, “no”
@candorsspot2775
24 күн бұрын
Anyone living in the real world would see that Communism has failed over and over and over again. Everyone flees these countries for individual freedom. How is this even a debate?
@morningstararun6278
23 күн бұрын
@@candorsspot2775 "Everyone flees these countries for individual freedom." Mate, people who enter America in its souther borders are from Capitalist countries. El Salvador, Mexico, Kenya, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, are all Capitalists. Why is every capitalist has to act like such a denialist mthfckr.
@millwallholdings
20 күн бұрын
Seems you are the one who lives in a fantasy world Andrew won this hands down
@fidel7182
18 күн бұрын
@@millwallholdings you're delusional
@daemonsilver3304
18 күн бұрын
Andrew tests logic, you fail to even see the test because of how braindead you are.
@daniela.m.d7655
25 күн бұрын
"we can support 8billion people today we couldn't do that in 1700" Andrew : prove it 😆😄😅😂🤣
@aliciarucker29
24 күн бұрын
My favorite part lol
@daniela.m.d7655
24 күн бұрын
@@aliciarucker29 hilarious 😆
@danialhadad1332
23 күн бұрын
What was that
@daniela.m.d7655
23 күн бұрын
@@danialhadad1332 you don't get it ?
@Ryanosaurr
23 күн бұрын
He never proved it. If 8 billion people existed in 1700, and all those people farmed with their 1700 technology, why couldn't they support themselves?
@danielencarnacion459
25 күн бұрын
Non communist here. Andrew had no business debating this guy. He was not prepared or even of that ilk . If anything Andrew should have interviewed this guy and taken more of a learning position with some challenging criticism. Andrew is not facing an equal here.
@Noetic-Necrognosis
25 күн бұрын
I'm an Andrew/Crucible fan and I agree. First time I've ever seen him lose
@willsharp1773
25 күн бұрын
i think its really difficult to debate communism without the ability to bring up the massive failures of it like how has tries to deflect by saying the famines and the deaths directly associated with communism are explainable by other factors and theyre nonsense also andrew didnt dig in on him enough why death for his cause is moral where death for another cause is not its obvious hes okay with violence when it comes to uplifting what he believes in but never articulates why he believes that in a meaningful tangible way other than the same buzz words that every communist known to man uses has served Andrew slam dunks that he easily couldve taken advantage of but didnt surprisingly while has had more quick answers to questions if you actually analyze what he says its a whole lot of nothing and is not realistic it was a very sloppy debate on each end tho neither were exceptionally convincing
@Lost7one
24 күн бұрын
Correct
@BecomeUltimate
23 күн бұрын
you cant WIN as a communist supporter, not in debate, not in real life. All he did was not get destroyed. Its like arguing for the Flat Earth Theory, or arguing ""number of genders". a Masterdebater will still lose against a novice debater because hes arguing a ridiculous point.
@BecomeUltimate
23 күн бұрын
Andrew easily beat this guy, the problem is its a 4 hour debate and Andrew doesnt have 4 hours of knowledge on communism. you only need to know 1 thing about communism to win the debate: Look up communisms failures in history and the success of capitalism. But after we use this argument, we still have to debate for 3 more hours, so of course Andrew is gonna run out of ammo!
@RobClayJoker
25 күн бұрын
Haz won simply by being down to earth. Andrew lost with his debate bro philosophycel tactics; irrelevant stupid hypotheticals and asking for definitions. 🦍☀️
@gabismom77
25 күн бұрын
You live in a fantasy...wth 😅
@RobClayJoker
25 күн бұрын
@@gabismom77 I love how you gave zero actual examples of your assertion, just like your empty-headed buddy Andrew Wilson
@dexterf.i.joseph2502
25 күн бұрын
You think asking for definition of terms is irrelevant? In a debate rooted in definitions? That's dumb bro. Like, very dumb.
@vintageplanet9376
25 күн бұрын
@@RobClayJokeryou actually did the same. Accusations with no evidence. Please, tell us a specific issue you disagreed with Andrew.
@RobClayJoker
25 күн бұрын
@@dexterf.i.joseph2502 yeah, cuz asking for definitions for words that everybody knows what they mean isn’t dumb at all and a waste of time. Keep trying
@jackm1758
24 күн бұрын
No doubt Andrew is a good debater, but damn the commie destroyed him and Andrew began to say silly things lol
@starboy5177
24 күн бұрын
One hour in, thats where it seems like he's heading. 😂
@timcotton6503
23 күн бұрын
Accept the fact that absolutely nothing the commie is saying is realistic.
@chrise5272
23 күн бұрын
The commie destroyed him? Two people watch the same thing yes see two different outcomes.
@donalddavid8199
22 күн бұрын
Infrared rising
@Uno_Floydd
22 күн бұрын
Can I have what you’re smoking @jack
@mtwhite1006
26 күн бұрын
Stalin enriched himself Where’s the proof? Where? It’s because he could!!!! No he couldn’t , the party was consensus Sips water… ok let’s talk about the famines now.. No let’s talk about the moral position now
@LhynnBlue
25 күн бұрын
Its not that he did, its that he could. Stalin is dead, but what guarantees others wont?
@dumkaisachakal6341
25 күн бұрын
There was no consensus needed. There is only one shot caller even in communism, and it's proven by the fact that when Stalin died the USSR and the communist ideal went down the sewer where they belong.
@geovellidrive
25 күн бұрын
Stalin did enrich himself though and he didn't die poor as Haz claims. He had immense wealth, lavish clothing, houses and cars. He didn't die poor by any means. Him being harsh to his subordinates doesn't suggest that he was a modest person as Haz claims.
@Lawns-Are-Fun
25 күн бұрын
@@geovellidrivecitation?
@geovellidrive
24 күн бұрын
@@Lawns-Are-Fun What do you mean citation, any credible biography of Stalin and his life would show this. He didn't die in some cabin in the woods. He literally died after having a drinking party with his closet associates. He was super paranoid. He only allowed his personal into his room when they heard him moving around to know he's awake. They found him dying after waiting for so long for him to make noise getting up. They were super scared to disturb him while sleeping but they gave in and found him sick af. He literally died infront of his comrades and family. He didn't "die alone and in a cabin" as Haz suggested, and that's what credible sources state. I don't have anything to cite because there's no need to. The burden of proof is on Haz and people like you claiming he died poor. That's absolute nonsense.
@Sly-gf3je
26 күн бұрын
Microcosm of this debate Andrew claims “Many people promoted abortion under Stalin” Haz asks for names and who Andrew says he has no clue move on to next ahistorical claim.
@mariussielcken
25 күн бұрын
Communist countries always have had much more abortions than Christian countries, obviously. It was communist policy to deal with starvation, like the Chinese one child policy.
@joejkd82
20 күн бұрын
Another dirty trick in this debate. Andrew did horrible. Is stalin communism now? If he isn't, then it's relevant that abortion was legal since inception in the soviet union, was made illegal by stalin to fix the plummeting birth rate (which failed ultimately), then was made legal again 2 years after his death.
@ayyylmao1900
26 күн бұрын
This debate quickly became an interview where Haz had to explain the entirety of reality to Andrew. Bro had to explain what “society” is and why there wasn’t 8 billion people alive in 500 BC 😅
@suiz1781
26 күн бұрын
Lmao
@MrShankaPerera
26 күн бұрын
exactly, Andrew came with a bad faith. He was dodging that point which is highly crucial to the debate
@brianms797
25 күн бұрын
@@MrShankaPererahaz doesn’t live in reality. Andrew had to ask him questions because he does not live in reality. He lives in within and ideologically captured worldview.
@RonBurgundy-xc7zg
25 күн бұрын
Haz didn’t explain why there wasn’t 8 billion people alive in 500 bc. All he did was show that he doesn’t understand exponential growth
@Vaskak12
25 күн бұрын
@@RonBurgundy-xc7zgbruh....
@Cimo8
26 күн бұрын
"You cannot reason a person out of a position that they did not reason themselves into."
@tilt3dgam3r
25 күн бұрын
Who's quote is this cuz it's fire as hell...from now on before I spend 20mins explaining to someone why they're actions make sense I'll ask "what did you think would happen when u did this?"
@Cimo8
25 күн бұрын
@@tilt3dgam3r Jonathan Swift
@Noetic-Necrognosis
25 күн бұрын
Sure you can. I was
@stephanperkmann7913
25 күн бұрын
You have to cut out the "not" xD
@TheChinaShill
24 күн бұрын
talking to JQers in a nutshell
@ichan83a
25 күн бұрын
Love Andrew but Haz definitely destroyed him in the debate
@Uno_Floydd
22 күн бұрын
I hope this is satire
@supasf
20 күн бұрын
Same. He was awfully unprepared for this, slower overall, interrupted more often and made many fallacies. Was bad faith too I'd say.
@MrSohrab76
22 күн бұрын
Andrews argument about humanity vs technology causing population growth was awful. He was arguing for no reason.
@Octavian2
21 күн бұрын
He wants to win an argument no matter how silly it is. He isn't really a totally good faith actor.
@elliotyourarobot
21 күн бұрын
He doesn't seem to understand that these 2 support each other.
@thechuube8442
20 күн бұрын
This perfectly illustrates what Haz was critiquing later in the debate regarding propositional logic. Andrew's argument fell into the trap of abstract reasoning without grounding it in the material and historical realities that shape human existence. Instead of addressing the concrete factors behind population growth, he got lost in a theoretical discourse that missed the point entirely. Haz's point was about how propositional logic can often lead to irrelevant or misguided conclusions when it’s detached from the actual, lived experiences of people.
@millwallholdings
20 күн бұрын
@@Octavian2 ha and you are Andrew won this debate with ease commie
@alexrennison8070
18 күн бұрын
The people come first. Necessity being the mother of invention & all that.
@eleri7024
24 күн бұрын
So a debate is basically Andrew interrogates , but doesn't have to actually understand what communism is, and he doesn't have to explain why capitalism is morally better than communism
@baronn9809
24 күн бұрын
He basically conceded the entire actual debate after the break.
@AutisticVaxtard
24 күн бұрын
Two sides of the same J coin
@yeboscrebo4451
10 күн бұрын
Without the freedom to choose, there is no such thing as morality. This is obvious
@baronn9809
9 күн бұрын
@yeboscrebo4451 So there was no morality at all in the Holy Roman Empire.
@goonofhazard2203
8 күн бұрын
@@baronn9809You know they had slaves, right?
@marcusdavenport1590
25 күн бұрын
Haz said Stalin didn't live lavish!!! 😂😂😂😂 Communist are stupid so they lie to you. Stalin's lifestyle was extremely lavish compared to the average Soviet citizen: Residences: He had over 20 luxurious dachas across the USSR, including the Kuntsevo Dacha near Moscow and seaside retreats in Sochi. Food: While many Soviets faced food shortages, Stalin enjoyed gourmet meals prepared by personal chefs, including rare delicacies and imported foods. Entertainment: He had private cinemas, billiard rooms, and even a personal zoo at some residences. Transportation: Stalin had a fleet of armored cars and special trains for his personal use.
@mjc4297
25 күн бұрын
You got a source for that?
@nikhilajith8880
22 күн бұрын
Source: *Trust Me Bro™*
@rellblackthrone6071
20 күн бұрын
@@nikhilajith8880😅😂
@Mhinqa
18 күн бұрын
This is cute fanfiction
@JoeGreenhalgh-i9n
14 күн бұрын
And you can prove this how?
@cody40001
25 күн бұрын
Andrew keeps asking him the same questions and just doesn’t accept Haz answers. W Haz @2:53
@borisnegrarosa9113
21 күн бұрын
This Andrew thinks he is more knowledgeable than he is.
@cody40001
20 күн бұрын
@@borisnegrarosa9113 when he isn’t debating low IQ only fan woman, and instead someone capable, he definitely struggles more.
@daemonsilver3304
18 күн бұрын
Deflections and pivots are not answers. They are derailments and evasions.
@jesterprivilege
26 күн бұрын
Im usually a fam of andrew, and i dont really agree with haz, but now that ive read these comments im absolutely convinced andrew lost. Im converting to communist Islam now.
@mr_enigmatic
26 күн бұрын
LMFAO
@andrewjmp3494
26 күн бұрын
I hope this is sarcasm because you sound really stupid.
@SteveHooks
26 күн бұрын
Hahahahaha I hope this is satire because that's completely delusional. 🤣
I like Andrew, I came to watch this because of him but he really lost this one. It was hard to watch. He was way too emotional and clearly not very prepared. It's a win for Haz.
@ZeroStuffGR
21 күн бұрын
Im not too much of a fan of Haz but i am a Marxist-Leninist. Its really pleasant to see fans of Andrew being open minded to what others have to say. I say this because i have seen plenty of people in this comment section say Haz got destroyed/Haz lost
@morningstararun6278
20 күн бұрын
@@ZeroStuffGR I wasn't a fan of Haz as well, because he had said some really stupid things and was angry towards fellow comrades for some very minor misunderstandings. But he has changed quite a lot.
@erkkidreiak6533
26 күн бұрын
This dude was the only commie that made sense. Didn't know they existed! :D
@anab0lic
25 күн бұрын
Midwest MArx, Caleb Maupin, Richard wolf. theres plenty if you get outside your echo chamber.
@Lawns-Are-Fun
24 күн бұрын
Just an FYI, Blue haired college aged screechers throwing tantrums about culture war stuff are NOT communists (even if they claim to be). Agreed with comment above-check out infrared and Midwest Marx.
@celsoemontalvo8234
24 күн бұрын
@@anab0licRichard Wolf is a beast 💯💯💯
@morningstararun6278
24 күн бұрын
Because you have been wrongly led to believe that Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders as Communists
@petrol_prophet
22 күн бұрын
it makes a lot of sense ideologically. The problem is that it never works in practice.
@Obeythemay
26 күн бұрын
I'll take Capital C communism if it's right wing over this liberal corporatiam we have in the USA 🤷♂️
@scuffedryangosling4264
26 күн бұрын
Right wing communism?
@davidduggan1202
26 күн бұрын
Communism is never right wing
@novuki
26 күн бұрын
Communism is neither left wing or right wing. It's an eternal science
@LhynnBlue
25 күн бұрын
Did you just have a stroke my man? Right wing communism?
@dumkaisachakal6341
25 күн бұрын
He probably means no LGBT and less privileges for females and minorities.
@RazorEdge2006
23 күн бұрын
Never heard of Haz before this show... But he's a smart guy. Gave him a follow.
@Uno_Floydd
22 күн бұрын
That 2006 is telling
@ZeroStuffGR
21 күн бұрын
@@Uno_Floydd How exactly?
@HeckinDoga
20 күн бұрын
@@ZeroStuffGR children are commies and activists
@millwallholdings
20 күн бұрын
No thanks
@apistate3-4
24 күн бұрын
Andrew was so insufferable the whole debate, and he totally misunderstands Hegel, Hegel was hermetic but his conception of "man" is the Historical man, not simply an inividual
@Octavian2
21 күн бұрын
You honestly believe he read any Hegel?
@Lawns-Are-Fun
19 күн бұрын
@@Octavian2He was too busy having paranoid delusions of Jewish people under his bed and in his closet lol.
@daemonsilver3304
18 күн бұрын
Don't simp for Hegel if you don't want to be pilloried for stupidity.
@apistate3-4
18 күн бұрын
@@daemonsilver3304 Hegel is your father, bow down. Also this wasn’t arguing about wether Hegel is correct but instead about wether Andrew is correct in his understanding of Hegel.
@TheTheboss00
4 күн бұрын
Misunderstood? Theres interpretations for a reason and he gave his and haz gave his lmao “whole debate” and u picked the hegel discussion LMAO
@BlackSpice
26 күн бұрын
Andrew loves to have no stance just critique everything
@thepewplace1370
25 күн бұрын
Yes, it's a basic mode of debate called an internal critique. You utilize your opponents worldview to analyze their claims and show their contradictions. Andrew is extremely good at this method and you can see the results. Haz never really pushed Andrew on his own claims, so Andrew focused on Haz's, using his own worldview and metrics to undermine them. Why would I try to convince you of the superiority of my worldview when you allow me to tear apart yours? Breaking down someone's own worldview is far more effective in changing their minds than trying to cram yours over the top of theirs while it is still intact.
@daemonsilver3304
18 күн бұрын
If you assert yellow is the best color, I don't need to declare another superior color to debate you on yellow. The burden is entirely upon the claimant to uphold their statement.
@AnimeFan4EverLast
26 күн бұрын
Andrew understands every answer Haz gives but he drags repeatedly coz if accepted it feels he losing debate 😂
@gb-fs1tz
26 күн бұрын
There have been many such cases over the course of Infrared's Great Digital Long March.
@Uno_Floydd
22 күн бұрын
@@gb-fs1tzwtf are you talking about
@W11-p9r
21 күн бұрын
@@Uno_FloyddHaz is Infrared
@trustnotasoul8249
18 күн бұрын
Andrew educate yourself on the topic before you debate it lol it’s like he read a wiki page quickly before he got there n tried to debate bro his way through it
@bleaaarghh
25 күн бұрын
Another ACP win, way to go Haz!
@Ryanosaurr
23 күн бұрын
He never proved any points, just constantly evaded.
@Z-Tbh
23 күн бұрын
Cope louder so the ppl in the back can have a laugh too
@Z-Tbh
23 күн бұрын
@@Ryanosaurrlike most people who think those ideals are of any value
@tjk355
22 күн бұрын
What claims did he justify specifically that makes you say he won?
@donalddavid8199
22 күн бұрын
Infrared rising 🦍🦍🦍🦍🦍
@rd9400
24 күн бұрын
Haz wins, Andrew is emotional & upset when he cannot force Haz to concede to Andrew’s illogical or disingenuous comparisons of hypotheticals.
@humanbean8008
22 күн бұрын
Andrew truly lost me to the point where that damn commie Haz started making sense
@borisnegrarosa9113
21 күн бұрын
That's bc the commie makes more sense.
@morningstararun6278
20 күн бұрын
Commies make way more sense, all you have to do is just start listening to them, instead of banging your head onto PragerU
@thechuube8442
20 күн бұрын
And just maybe, everything they told you about communism was all a lie
@fabzals388
20 күн бұрын
Thats because Andrew always begins with a presupposition thats his position is right and is trying to find and make up holes in the other person argument. He always does it. Sometimes we can see it as with the population argument. He is in it to win his position, not to find truth, as many debater do.
@millwallholdings
20 күн бұрын
@@borisnegrarosa9113 Not to people who have a brain
@azouitinesaad3856
23 күн бұрын
how is andrew arguing against the population went from 1 billion to 8 billions in 100 years ? thats just a fact and the reason for it is technology and industrialisation. the fact that its going down now have nothing to do with it going up in the first place wealth is a requirement for population growth people chossing to not have kids doesn't make wealth not a pre requisition(wealth is not having millions of dollars its just that there is enough food and resources to sustain a population)
@dmag7393
18 күн бұрын
Are there 8 billion people, though?
@azouitinesaad3856
18 күн бұрын
@@dmag7393 do you have access to the internet ?
@daemonsilver3304
18 күн бұрын
The problem with your supposition is that you have the perspective of a lobotomized NEET, and haven't the capacity to *zoom out* and look at the bigger picture. You haven't the benefit of considering (perhaps you aren't even aware) human history as a whole. You think a hundred years is an eternity, when it is merely a brief instant.
@themilitantvegan2515
24 күн бұрын
Andrew lost when he was arguing for 8 billion people in the 1700s
@Uno_Floydd
22 күн бұрын
Haz lost because he supports a failed system of government
@millwallholdings
20 күн бұрын
The commie lost the lot Spoke nonsense
@Naeinsengimnida
16 күн бұрын
@@millwallholdings And yet you provide zero argument. Such useless comment. Same as the women coming on the panel saying "you are wrong"
@THEMADNOGI
15 күн бұрын
@@NaeinsengimnidaI mean you haven’t necessarily provided any argument of your own either.
@mikebane2866
15 күн бұрын
@@THEMADNOGI He’s not the one making an argument
@bigwiz428
25 күн бұрын
1hr 16 mins in and this Haz guys is seriously cooking, bro is good
@Uno_Floydd
22 күн бұрын
2:47:50 in and he is getting cooked by Andrew
@thechuube8442
18 күн бұрын
@@Uno_Floydd not at all, his argument falls apart because he fails to grasp the fundamental difference between actions motivated by moral duty and those driven by profit. He tries to equate "selling out" a neighbor to the state under communism with the way capitalism encourages people to betray others for money. This comparison is very stupid. Haz points out that under communism, turning in a neighbor could be morally justified if the neighbor is, for example, a criminal like a child molester. The action serves the collective good and protects society. In contrast, under capitalism, people are incentivized to betray others purely for personal gain, with no consideration for the collective well-being. This means that capitalism inherently corrupts human relationships by turning them into transactions. Andrew's argument is objectively wrong and dumb because he treats the moral decision to protect society under communism as equivalent to the capitalist practice of exploiting others for profit. He ignores the fact that capitalism makes such immoral behavior necessary for survival, while communism allows for actions that serve the greater good.
@Uno_Floydd
18 күн бұрын
@@thechuube8442 straw man fallacy
@thechuube8442
18 күн бұрын
@Uno_Floydd you dont even know what that means lmao. You're wrong, lost and confused, stuck in the anglo box of rigid dogmatism
@Uno_Floydd
17 күн бұрын
@@thechuube8442 ad hominem.
@spmarei
24 күн бұрын
This Andrew guy really likes to interrupt but doesn't want to be interrupted...
@equityjustice2695
24 күн бұрын
He is a tool
@RyanBell-k6c
23 күн бұрын
You have to forgive him! Too many debates with destiny
@deepthought708
23 күн бұрын
Cancelling debt is a good thing. Debt allows elites to take everything.
@petrol_prophet
22 күн бұрын
how do you cancel debt? Generally that means the government prints a ton of money and pays the debt, and simultaneously inflates the dollar
@tjk355
22 күн бұрын
Debt is a inflationary force. Our economic system requires constant steady growth to maintain stability and mitigate stagnation. In that sense debt is a necessity for a free market economy. Its an unfortunate reality. What we can work towards is sensible regulation to protect consumers .
@Uno_Floydd
22 күн бұрын
Except you can’t cancel debt
@hmt4173
21 күн бұрын
@@Uno_Floydd The Soviets did. First thing they did was cancel all foreign debts, prompting an invasion of Russia by the imperialist banksters and parasites.
@timotheeeful
21 күн бұрын
@@petrol_prophet bank type number in computer, bank delete number from computer
@suiz1781
26 күн бұрын
This Haz guy seems to k ow what he’s talking about. I’m going to look into communism.
@parkjob
25 күн бұрын
Beep bop commie bot 🤖
@SweetheartQuest
25 күн бұрын
@petrol_prophet
22 күн бұрын
bro it's failed every single time at the cost of millions of lives. why, because a smart guy can make a convincing argument for it? Look at the reality, that's why history is valuable.
@elismith8455
22 күн бұрын
That is the dangerous thing about communism. It can be made to sound very attractive to those that aren't aware of its consistent history. It has never worked and always ends in mass death and suffering. No system is perfect but what would you rather choose, the downside of capitalism (walmart is a monopoly), versus the downside of communism (all individual liberties being taken for the "collective", no winners or Elon Musks are allowed, no individual motivation to be the best or innovate)
@krisdc4053
21 күн бұрын
bruh i dont like capitalism but the communists literally forced their own people to stay in borders , so they could not know what the west looked like. The soviets also built the Berlin wall, not the americans. The insecurity and defeatism of communists in the cold war should teach you everything about which system is worse. And as a european , i have to say that the east communistic countries were iterally starving their people to death with food shortages , while killing them in demonstrations .
@thechuube8442
25 күн бұрын
Haz wiped the floor with this clown. Andrew, lost in the Anglo Box. Literally just destiny but Christian
@rokem562
23 күн бұрын
You mean the guy who doesn't believe in god but also believes in god 😂😂
@everythingintheuniverse8962
26 күн бұрын
Why is the "anti-enlightenment" guy such a pansy about authoritarianism lol
@ND17-23
25 күн бұрын
Because they deal in logical absolutes and think they reflect reality. The entire debate was the communist guy trying to have a real debate with concrete bases while the other guy wanted to have a debate about the "logical kingdom" in his head.
@DemoniacCat
25 күн бұрын
@@ND17-23 there are concrete bases, the ex - USSR , Cuba, Venezula , North Cores to mention a few
@SavingNational
25 күн бұрын
Exactly. He doesn’t have a coherent worldview. Even though I disagree with Haz on quite a bit, he at the very least has a coherent worldview.
@ND17-23
25 күн бұрын
@@DemoniacCat Concrete basis for what? You think there is a country on earth that doesn't have "authoritarianism?" And when you call every country on earth authoritarian, what does that mean for the word itself? "Authoritarianism bad" is a fake slogan developed against Soviet style democracy that put the people first: Root out corruption you are authoritarian. Crack down on crime you are authoritarian. Industrialize without taking unrepayable debts and don't make policy changes that turn your country into a banana republic you are authoritarian. And whenever Communists use the state to benefit the overwhelming majority of the people it is called authoritarian.
@rachel.wilson
25 күн бұрын
@@SavingNational what are you talking about? Andrew has the most coherent worldview.
@alliencedful
25 күн бұрын
Man andrew is insufferable. "i'm asking questions". It's a debate. Answer some questions yourself
@KimVa
25 күн бұрын
Totally normal to ask questions during a debate, Sir or Mam .
@Uno_Floydd
22 күн бұрын
@@KimVathese comments are bots
@Lawns-Are-Fun
19 күн бұрын
@@KimVait’s normal to engage in a dialog though - Andrew didn’t really say anything - he just asked skewed questions to try and trip up Haz but then Haz answered them, and Andrew would just cry.
@KimVa
19 күн бұрын
@@Lawns-Are-Fun It’s okay to loose a debate.
@GD-xm8cm
18 күн бұрын
Andrew Wilson becomes so emotional and whiney it’s practically unwatchable
@pico4009
22 күн бұрын
Listen, I don’t like communism but the guy defending communism is talking real sense rn😭
@Uno_Floydd
22 күн бұрын
Nonsense actually
@TommyGunz327
22 күн бұрын
He’s not talking any sense. Many of the things he has said were blatant lies.
@pico4009
22 күн бұрын
@@TommyGunz327 i really didn’t askk
@TommyGunz327
22 күн бұрын
@@pico4009 Sucks for you
@thechuube8442
18 күн бұрын
@@TommyGunz327 name one
@hank12-z7w
24 күн бұрын
Andrew "two people can constitute a society" Wilson
@mattbryant8320
23 күн бұрын
That’s true lol.
@StalinsSecretPolice
23 күн бұрын
@@mattbryant8320 no its not.
@mattbryant8320
23 күн бұрын
@@StalinsSecretPolice yes it is.
@StalinsSecretPolice
23 күн бұрын
@@mattbryant8320 Societies require community. Two people are not a community
@mattbryant8320
22 күн бұрын
@@StalinsSecretPolice if that’s what you think you don’t know what the word community means lol.
@Joormode
26 күн бұрын
Andrew Wilson with no beard is so weird ..I had to get used to that :)
@jesterprivilege
25 күн бұрын
@@Joormode it's like when you see one of those hairless cats. It gives me the ick to see a hairless version of something that ought to be covered in hair. Just like, the nipples...and wrinkles all splayed out, like hide that.
@martincreed9823
25 күн бұрын
Counting how many times Andrew say...."On planet earth", and "hang on let me finish" 😅😅😅😅
@Uno_Floydd
22 күн бұрын
Interrupting someone as they wreck your position is top tier cope
@yves888
25 күн бұрын
Pretty bizarre how smug Andrew is despite knowing nothing about anything. Haz has the patience of a saint
@panama2468
25 күн бұрын
Facts. Andrew is a great eristic, like many right wingers are. They are amazing at debating and arguing, but they suffer from doing no research and not knowing the background history of what they are discussing. Socialists, like Haz, are also good debators, but they are better dialetics. They debate, but bc they answer to a higher calling of doing the best for the most amount of people, they cannot argue in bad faith nor make disingenuous arguments. And so, while Hazs information is accurate and true, his aims are above and beyond that of simple sophistry or debate, and so he cannot use the same tricks and tools that right wingers use to slip verbal nooses.
@Spartan69117
25 күн бұрын
“Patience of a saint” but let’s ignore his lies and deception. Said Christians thrive in China and how he’s a Muslim. Just a couple examples of lies, ah yes a Saint.
@payton21
25 күн бұрын
Yeah Haz got called out on many many contradictions. Dude is a very bad debater
@TommyGunzzz
25 күн бұрын
Your joking right 😂
@Mark-bg1ue
25 күн бұрын
Saint Marx.
@Hay_Chef
25 күн бұрын
Educational discussion by Haz
@OriginalSpring
23 күн бұрын
thank you for all your work, haz
@TheKidCCCP
26 күн бұрын
This guy Haz is really interesting, definitely a different way of interpreting communism and it seems to make a lot of sense for America
@@Fr4nkBl4ckthe country with the most people in the world is China and it’s communist so much for your ignorant fleeing remark
@matthewzmarzley
25 күн бұрын
First debate I seen Wilson - at best reach a draw Appreciate him taking on a tough topic and a tough opponent though Both men did a nice job Hope they have future discussions
@equityjustice2695
24 күн бұрын
Wilson is a trash debater
@LordTamer12
26 күн бұрын
as a longtime fan, Haz is one of the best guests you guys have had on! Completely changed my perspective, it’s criminal what they don’t teach us in k-12!
@Cyborg_queen
26 күн бұрын
Yeah I agree, teach “natural rights” arguments against communism. Absolutely agree, we don’t allow evil Marxists to oppress others
@realmcafee
26 күн бұрын
or in fifa2012
@MixMasterMaj
23 күн бұрын
Listening to Andrew's cluelessness on what a society is made me lose braincells. When someone goes into being lost on very basic words, you're just wasting everybody's time at that point.
@Uno_Floydd
22 күн бұрын
2:04:30
@hugh2hoob668
24 күн бұрын
LOVED this episode the 3 hours felt like 30 mins Thats how you know it was solid
@tofolcano9639
23 күн бұрын
Please more of this guy 🙏
@mischievouseurasianist8671
25 күн бұрын
Andrew is actually just not a very smart person
@gavinrayne7922
21 күн бұрын
Andrew with no facial hair is creeping me out.
@BReinert4
26 күн бұрын
I would expect nothing less from Andrew’s fans to think he won. They simply don’t have the intellectual abilities to keep up.
@slowboywhiteboardv4
26 күн бұрын
It takes real intellectual superiority to advocate for a political system that steals from the productive members of a society so the drones starve out the workers. Sure.
@gb-fs1tz
26 күн бұрын
@@slowboywhiteboardv4 no, it doesnt take any intellectual superiority to advocate for capitalism. You just have to repeat the talking points the owner class have drilled into us since elementary school. On the other, hand to successfully advocate for communism you are going up against all the real power holders in society. I think Haz did a pretty good job of that here despite all the bad faith and pedantry of his opponent.
@SteveHooks
26 күн бұрын
Illogical statement.
@supasf
20 күн бұрын
Am an Andrew fan but he decidedly lost this one. He wasn't prepared at all, debated in bad faith and kept derailing for most of the debate. Jay Dyer would've done a much better job.
@jujurush6317
26 күн бұрын
Andrew Wilson only has bad faith arguments, and never answers questions. He’s good at deflecting
@shumesy
25 күн бұрын
Cope harder
@vitlz1341
26 күн бұрын
If someone is disinterested and impartial will clearly declare that Haz won the debate
@EliteTheRealWorld
26 күн бұрын
Not even close. Haz got caught in like 10 contradictions and even lied and said he’s a Muslim….. Why do you bots keep saying Haz won when he clearly got cooked
@HachikoBeats
26 күн бұрын
You're on every drug ever invented or discovered. Not even remotely close or true.
@TheHunt-t8o
26 күн бұрын
Andrew stans can’t digest this debate. Cognitive dissonance on full display. (For the record im a huge Andrew fan, follow, enjoy, never miss a live or debate. But not blinded by my general appreciation and admiration)
@Search4Hida
26 күн бұрын
the entire video was Andrew was ceding to Haz lol
@profanotherletter4346
26 күн бұрын
@@EliteTheRealWorldhe is muslim
@TeaPartyMedia
24 күн бұрын
One thing I agree STRONGLY with the communists on (me being an anti-communist) is that power doesn't come from a pen, power comes from the sword. And those willing to execute that power are deemed the leaders of our world. When Andrew comes back and responds "well sometimes you can just plant a flag peacefully", true. But as an example, the British didn't just start planting flags one day. They had a long history of "oh, you said no? thats too bad" to back any 'just plant a flag in the ground' theories.
@joeeeee8738
24 күн бұрын
It can come from both. Power comes from the action of people. If those people have swords, they could use that. If someone used a pen to convince them of using the sword against their opponent, who had the power?
@biafranrepublican4389
23 күн бұрын
Haz deals primarily with history and reality and extrapolates from what has happened. Andrew is far too idealistic and deals in abstracts in the name of defending moral and logical principles. I don't fault him, as a Catholic myself I get it, but as a Catholic I also think of Cardinal Richelieu siding with the Protestant League during the 30 Years War in the name of French National/Material interests, not being surrounded by Habsburg domains. Moral and logical principles Vs. Real material developments and processes among very complex human systems.
@Uno_Floydd
22 күн бұрын
@@biafranrepublican4389 nonsensical if theyre both logical except one is complete and one relativistic
@HellonearthlABB
26 күн бұрын
good debate, very respectful
@Runesocesius
26 күн бұрын
Amazing debate. Im somewhat of a libertarian but i have to admit Haz did great
@JorgeGarcia-nb5gv
25 күн бұрын
Hey I’ve never seen haz but he really impressed me about communism great points from both sides
@Uno_Floydd
22 күн бұрын
You’re right. Andrew cooked him.
@Jason-rk3zv
25 күн бұрын
Innovation and the ability to own the rights to the product you've invented are responsible for the expansion of humanity. People got up and busted their ass because they had the ability to keep the fruits of their labor. Capitalism.
@panama2468
25 күн бұрын
Market economies or entrepreneurship is not capitalism. Please learn the differences
@katiek.8808
25 күн бұрын
All that you said is correct and good except none of that is capitalism. Capitalism is just the flip side of communism. It’s just different rich people controlling us.
@logangodofcandy
25 күн бұрын
All capitalists define THAT as capitalism. People saying that it isn't are making a straw man. You're all saying that capitalism means usury. It's not.
@logangodofcandy
25 күн бұрын
That's how capitalists define capitalism. That's how capitalists practice capitalism. You're a liar
@katiek.8808
25 күн бұрын
@@logangodofcandy Marx came up with the word. So you are the liar.
@veneeor4174
26 күн бұрын
everytime Andrew was losing he would switch to arguing over the definition of words like "society", absurd.
@Santiago-xw7dk
26 күн бұрын
He started JQ'ing and immediately conceded
@dudebro91-fn7rz
26 күн бұрын
@@Santiago-xw7dk who did
@Santiago-xw7dk
26 күн бұрын
@@dudebro91-fn7rz Andrew
@damianorosco3393
26 күн бұрын
@@Santiago-xw7dkWhat is JQ?
@dudebro91-fn7rz
26 күн бұрын
@@Santiago-xw7dk how was he jq ing. He usually doesn't approach those topics
@patrickrobie1592
25 күн бұрын
Very good & informational debate
@carlospereira5954
24 күн бұрын
In my opinion, it simply comes down to freedom. You are allowed to have a socialist / communist community in a capitalist society but you are not allowed to have a capitalist community in a socialist / communist society.
@suiz1781
24 күн бұрын
That makes no sense
@carlospereira5954
24 күн бұрын
@@suiz1781 Excellent argument. When I don't understand, I say exactly the same thing so I don't waste time asking and 😁thinking...
@W11-p9r
21 күн бұрын
China promotes small business and has a vibrant culture of entrepreneurship. Stop lying
@Lawns-Are-Fun
19 күн бұрын
@@W11-p9rthey don’t care - 90% of these staunch anti communists just operate on pure ignorance. The less they know, the more they can rely on what their masters in the US state department tell them.
@ridingsolo3255
26 күн бұрын
Me and my 8 billion homies back in the seventeen hundreds watching this though interdimensional vibes created from human labor. hahahahaha
@HachikoBeats
26 күн бұрын
How's about those means of production 😂
@Lawns-Are-Fun
25 күн бұрын
THE HUMAN ELEMENT!!?!? Lol
@sillysyriac8925
25 күн бұрын
I think Andrew's point was that if we had 8 Billion people all working on essentials functions like food production with 1700's tech they could definitely survive. Certainly Norman Borlough's advancements in wheat production later on massively increased wheat production, but it certainly seems plausible that people could have survived.
@ridingsolo3255
25 күн бұрын
@@sillysyriac8925 Dude you cant defend this (why this Andrew guy defend this argument is beyond me) this is like basic history it can not be possible. Remember he said no technology or what the Haz guy said even medicine bro like wtf. The main factors stopping massive human population growth in the past was food (specifically storage and production) population density problems (specifically sewage treatment, disease etc), cheap energy (oil, coal, nuclear etc) and of course the industrial revolution. Theoretically if we all lived in commune farms like a communist (ironically) as you suggested and only focus on essentials (eating wheat 24/7/365??? even if we could all be farmers and be able to grow yields every single time ) and nothing else even then it would not solve the major problems outlined. Like to be fair I think the Andrew guy got mixed up with fertility and population. It can be argued that even though some people comparably have less "stuff", people on average have more kids etc rather than we can sustain the same population in the past with less technology and material stuff. Like yeah let me just start photosynthesizing.
@baronn9809
24 күн бұрын
@@sillysyriac8925That makes no sense.
@Search4Hida
26 күн бұрын
Andrew ceded to Haz the whole time, and when they try to talk morality or something bruh literally side tracks the whole conversation towards some nothing burger that he agrees with Haz on. Another Gorilla W ☀🦍
@SteveHooks
26 күн бұрын
Illogical take
@A-RedHerring
26 күн бұрын
Another Hazbot
@John-nv5zy
26 күн бұрын
We got a slow boi on our hands. Conceding a point demonstrates it's irrelevance.
@Search4Hida
24 күн бұрын
@@John-nv5zy if you concede a point when you’re arguing it in the first place, then you lose that point. That means you are ignorant of the subject and have no other ammo in the matter lmao
@AlanH-c5u
26 күн бұрын
Why Andrew don’t answer anything and just going to a different tangents?
@panama2468
25 күн бұрын
Bc he doesn't actually know the material history of the things being discussed. Its typical of idealist intellectuals like him, they love to spend time arguing in fantasy land instead of discussing real and true event that have an effect in reality
@oboroth51
25 күн бұрын
@@panama2468 this coming from the commie apologist
@christianjensen9174
23 күн бұрын
@@oboroth51I know right, ironic 😂
@RumAddict2
18 күн бұрын
@@panama2468 You're right except for one thing: He is not an idealist. He does not believe in idealism. He has openly rejected both philosophical idealism, and political idealism. As a Christian he cannot be an idealist as that would entail man makes reality and not God. This would be against Christian trancedantal views.
@christoffel840
26 күн бұрын
Andrew was not really arguing in good faith for a lot of this debate. He was constantly derailing into irrelevant topics like the definition of society, what makes a ‘christian state,’ whether population growth is related to industrialization and technology, and the absurd assertion that 8 billion people could have been sustained in the 18th century. Haz did his best to answer all of his questions, but continuously came up against an unwillingness to communicate using common sense understanding of words.
@rationaljudgment
26 күн бұрын
How is it bad faith to root assertions made by the opposition? If you say "thing bad" because of reason, you shouldn't be able to find the SAME reason in your advocation. Pretending it's not there is actual bad faith. And he wasn't even pointing to hypocrisy, he actually critiques the claim and similarities.
@proskeptical789
26 күн бұрын
Haz said that Stalin didn’t abuse his power, so if that’s your takeaway about Andrew I don’t know how this wasn’t a poor showing from both of them.
@i_assume
26 күн бұрын
You can't tell right from left if that's your take away
@christoffel840
26 күн бұрын
@@rationaljudgment Define bad. Define hypocrisy. Define critique. Define similarities. If you can’t then I’m afraid I don’t understand your comment and can’t respond to it.
@CRS099
26 күн бұрын
@@i_assumeI just turned on the debate. I LOL because I can only imagine how wrong this is.
@haroldsullivan2036
25 күн бұрын
Andrew looked like an idiot this entire debate. Haz schooled him
@zachmasters7397
25 күн бұрын
😅😂 I hope this is satire, unless you followed this debate to their channel and something profoundly changed in Haz's argument he got schooled, it wasn't even close.
@PatI-zg9gm
25 күн бұрын
I chuckle at these “declarations” of who wins debates. It is just people “siding” with their preconceived notions. Just say that you support Communist ideology…
@iamatoaster2693
25 күн бұрын
What did you just watch?😂
@PatI-zg9gm
25 күн бұрын
@@zachmasters7397 It looks like the censors are on full alert. How ironic that all comments in support of Communism, are rubber stamped? That just may be a coincidence.
@ghoulymusic7216
23 күн бұрын
-Andrew asks a question -Haz answers said question -Andrew: you didn’t say anything (because he can’t comprehend big scary words)
@themilitantvegan2515
24 күн бұрын
Haz is a good debater. Andrew was frustrated
@jyu1c3
25 күн бұрын
Andrew is painful to listen to... You couldn't tell he was referring to technology and industrialization?!
@kayteetunna
26 күн бұрын
I think Haz paid about a 100 guys to show up first and say he won 😂😂😂its like they watched a different video
@gb-fs1tz
26 күн бұрын
Weird, there's usually at least 300 of us.
@astrowarlorde
26 күн бұрын
Haz did win lmao Andrew is a wordcel and had no arguments
@dan8085
26 күн бұрын
Or, you know... his program and message is genuinely popular. It could be just that...
@gb-fs1tz
26 күн бұрын
Seriously though, ive watched for 4 years as Haz has slowly grown his audience from just averaging 30 liveviewers on youtube, to 1000 before the twitch ban, back up to 600 on kick. This is the most organic political community on the english speaking internet.
@astrowarlorde
26 күн бұрын
@@gb-fs1tzTruth
@xavvvorg4653
20 күн бұрын
I like this Haz guy's argument.
@vsaucyboi7214
25 күн бұрын
Christianity and communism have uncanny similarities (Acts 2:44, Acts 4:32). "The believers held everything in common." I think a reconciliation is possible.
@TommyGunzzz
25 күн бұрын
Communism is a condemned proposition since the Bolshevik revolution. The book of Acts is a voluntary community of believers, not a top-down society statist system lol
@stevied3400
25 күн бұрын
They held all in common VOLUNTARILY and it was very few people at the time. It can’t be enforced on the scale of hundreds of millions of people. Communism is enforced at the point of a gun and isn’t voluntary when the state adopts it.
@greensoldier2142
25 күн бұрын
My Literature teacher used to say that "Communism is just Christianity with a reversed seal". It may look like it, but it's completely different
@Vaskak12
25 күн бұрын
@@stevied3400you're right I'll stay in debt thank you sir
@ReneeEmmitt
25 күн бұрын
Communism is the beast system, in the exact polar opposite of Christianity.
@Past_Tense154
26 күн бұрын
Even though i disagree with Haz on many points, he destroyed him in this debate. Andrew kept arguing in circles and putting words in his mouth
@crunchycrackers7364
26 күн бұрын
Meh, Haz kept diverting from alot of the questions.
@Harpazo2030
26 күн бұрын
Haz was all over the place , toothpaste , Andrew was on point by far. Haz saying he was a Muslim but yet not but agonistic , but not , says allot
@PureHades
26 күн бұрын
Has lost the moment he said “cancel me”… a literal non defense and basically admitting defeat and non argumentation of your point… this was a walking talking cruise liner sized L for Haz…
@absurdh3ro
26 күн бұрын
@@Harpazo2030yea when it got to the muslim part he just exposed himself as untrustworthy.
@Harpazo2030
26 күн бұрын
@@absurdh3ro that admission-said so much and explained his world view to the T , an authoritative, submissive belief, to the will of a group, What does that sound like lol
@ceadmilefailte99
25 күн бұрын
Andrew really filtered here. I've never understood the hype around this guy, was open to watching this cuz I thought it would be easy to debunk communism and overrepresentation. Turns out he was totally ineffectual and basically conceded every retort of Haz. Totally bodied, this guy encapsulates the flaws of ignorant, smug rwers.
@TheGiantMidget
24 күн бұрын
He would have been so much better at tackling this if he read the material. Too many people who try to take down communist ideology never bother their asses to read the communist manifesto or das kapital. If he had done that he could have easily called out several instances of haz lying about the goals of communism
@dartskihutch4033
24 күн бұрын
Orrrrr he's an honest debater and is a tually able to concede points unlike most debates which are man children who refuse to accept a logic solution? He didn't concede every point, and pushed back when necessary. If hez said he concedes as well, would it simply be a self regulated win based on who concedes most? Think. That being said, I agree with many of the counter points, and thjnk these guys are actually much closer in their ideology than most are today out of ignorance and low IQ tribalism.
@newbritainpauly4841
25 күн бұрын
Great call takeing out the timer and just letting them debate !
@chrisj6627
23 күн бұрын
It is absolutely shocking that this debate could even happen. How anyone could be pro communism at this point, after seeing the results of it, is absolutely shocking
@goonofhazard2203
8 күн бұрын
In a way. But take into consideration that we all have ego. Those who never do any work on their ego will ALWAYS be in favor of c0llectivism.
@Lord_Pilaf
25 күн бұрын
"Anti-egalitarian" guy: "You want authoritarianism! That's bad! 😡" Total Communist Victory ☭
@DanteVelez-uy8pc
18 күн бұрын
Damn Andrew looks so young without his beard 🧔
@lerak8452
25 күн бұрын
Andrew is a horrible debater swearing, and his hypotheticals are ridiculous. "If there was only one family, is it a society?" He always does this."What ifs" all the time.
@michaelabraham2740
26 күн бұрын
All these comments be like "Wow, i usually love andrew but this haz guy just wiped the floor with him" Yea I'm sure thats totally organic and everyone is just coming around to the practicality of a communist state
@EarlOSandwich
26 күн бұрын
Those comments are hilarious. Haz’s lackluster performance in this debate was somehow the divine revelation many Andrew “fans” needed to completely flip their worldview into supporting a Jewish anti-Christian ideology 😂🤣
@Komvarische
26 күн бұрын
Yeah, whenever Haz appears on a platform a totally organic group of people who "aren't really Haz fans" come out of the woodwork in droves to congratulate him on his devastating victory. Nothing sussy to see here.
@gb-fs1tz
26 күн бұрын
@@KomvarischeHaz has been a very divisive figure for a few years. Many of his fans are former haters who have come around. I've seen many debates where Haz's opponent comes to realize that they basically agree on everything.
@Johnathan_Porkinstein
26 күн бұрын
@@gb-fs1tzdude I promise like communism is like really rad dude. No man I'm definitely not like a shill or anything. Haz totally destroyed him dude
@ryan-rk3fs
26 күн бұрын
@@gb-fs1tzfalse.
@checkthenutz
26 күн бұрын
2:06:43 the reason we didn’t have 8 billion people then is simple. Hydrocarbon. We hadn’t discovered petroleum yet. Michael Rupert has an excellent book and documentary about this called collapse. You should look into it. Another of his good books is crossing the rubicon.
@Lawns-Are-Fun
25 күн бұрын
I think Haz’s point was-sure new technology comes about, but it’s the use of that which increases the productive forces. New technology could come out and effectively not substantially change the productive forces.
@dr.coomer9750
22 күн бұрын
Andrew looks 100x more sophisticated with a beard and no hat
@strategic1710
26 күн бұрын
When Andrew asks questions it’s because he’s trying to gain clarity on what his opponent is talking about and doing internal critiques to test logic. It’s clarity and consistency. He does go overboard occasionally, but it’s almost always still in good faith.
@Mr-Host
26 күн бұрын
Finally someone gets it, how could it possibly be bad faith to try to understand your opponents position as to not accidently strawman them, idk.
@JackSchitt-p9t
26 күн бұрын
@@Mr-Host We can't know Andrew's true intention, so if he is asking for the purpose of clarity, then that is good. If he is asking to derail the point, then that is bad. How you interpret it depends on how you feel about the guy.
@christoffel840
26 күн бұрын
@@strategic1710 Bro what is society
@Dejusticed
26 күн бұрын
@@christoffel840 That was the exact point where he absolutely murdered that dude. The fact that dude got walked into it and still couldn't concede shows how dumb the guy is.
@eroyfrmdawiic
25 күн бұрын
facts
@HachikoBeats
26 күн бұрын
Fresh's voice sounds different this episode. More natural. More relaxed. Good improvement!
@BlackSpice
26 күн бұрын
Lol
@xxxtimeghostxxx
26 күн бұрын
yeah version 16.3 just dropped thats why
@thorasguardselectrician2013
26 күн бұрын
No skanks stressing him out 😅
@Tenebris_Media
25 күн бұрын
Because he’s bored, zoned out and doesn’t understand most of the philosophical & societal concepts they debated
@jayseni7795
26 күн бұрын
Why do all the people that love communism never go and live in a communist country? Always telling us how great communism is from their nice capitalist home
@jesterprivilege
26 күн бұрын
They need communism to come to them because they can't afford to travel.
@gb-fs1tz
26 күн бұрын
Because my house is on fire and no one else is coming to put it out.
@jacquestube
26 күн бұрын
Well, accept this is like your house has a small fire in the corner.And you think that the people that have cans of gas might get it right this time@@gb-fs1tz
@Adeptus_Mechanicus
26 күн бұрын
I've been to Harbin, China. It was better than living in New York by a ton.
@ZukMyZik
26 күн бұрын
@@Adeptus_Mechanicusyou visited you didn’t live there dude. There’s a difference…. North Korea looks nice to outsiders as well. Stop bullshiting.
@celsoemontalvo8234
24 күн бұрын
Can someone tell Andrew what did Christianity do to the Native Americans here and in South America and the Caribbeans ,Where was there morality at 😂😂😂SMH ..Haz for president
@iwatchyoutube9425
23 күн бұрын
Stopped them from sacrificing their children?
@CroRain7
23 күн бұрын
@@iwatchyoutube9425Don't forget the many cities, buildings, churches, infrastructure and roads the Spaniards built. Also teaching them reading and writing. I don't know about you, but that is much better than ripping hearts out and eating them.
@SabrinaRed
23 күн бұрын
Horses
@jhfdcvhhfssgju8394
10 күн бұрын
Andrew just doesn’t want to agree with that guy on anything just talking in circles lmao
@YassineBassine-r1q
26 күн бұрын
Andrew just ask questions and derail, he has no train of thought, he just argue to argue. Painful to watch.
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