"I ain't MatPat, my theories do come true." **mic drop** OHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
@ydi7438
6 жыл бұрын
Shots fired ...he speaks pure fact
@mr.j9103
6 жыл бұрын
BARS
@rezaldievergreen5266
6 жыл бұрын
just yadi This can be a pun. Think about it
@sachix6411
6 жыл бұрын
Someone alert the theorist!!MatPat down MatPat Down!!!!😂
@caallliiee
6 жыл бұрын
This is gonna be the youtube version of the Drake & Pusha-T beef
@kobaltkween
6 жыл бұрын
The biggest issue with 13 Reasons is that it's _not_ about suicide. It's about bullying, from an immature and self-centered perspective. Her suicide is a narrative tool used punish everyone else. That's why it doesn't deal with anti-depressants, therapy, or the most basic rule that survivors should _not_ blame themselves or others, but does blame the first rape victim for how her rape affected the main character, and treats her family's money problems as more important and severe than those of the character living in poverty with abusive and drug abusing parents. Even though Hannah is a) in the most privileged position of her group and b) initially focused on graduating and leaving this small town, the narrative jumps through illogical hoops to create a situation where the middle class girl with the stable family life is the primary victim with no emotional obligations to anyone else. It's even twisted to the point that when she makes out with another girl, that's only about that girl's sexuality and not her own. Even the tapes don't express vulnerability, insecurity, and lack of self-worth. They express vindictiveness and blame through snide remarks and "drop the mike" lines. Essentially, it's a long, drawn out version of, "You're being mean to me! How would you like it if I just died? You'd feel bad then!" Which is _not_ going to prevent suicides. It's not even going to prevent people being mean, because everyone who identifies with it sees themselves as Hannah while missing all the really terrible things she does to others. The only act in the story actually linked to inciting suicide is blaming teens for a suicide. Don't get me wrong, the rapist should face legal repercussions, as should the stalker. But in the real world, young people in Clay's position often commit suicide themselves. Hannah gets _everything_ she wanted from her suicide. She gets to tell everyone off without having to hear about one thing she's done wrong, or how a healthy person would have found better solutions. Or how she sees causality where it doesn't exist (even when police are involved, a downed stop sign often won't be replaced for ages). She gets to blame everyone else while taking no responsibility for her actions, and never has to justify her highly skewed perspective. Even her parents stop grieving and start blaming and attacking the people she blamed in the ways she wanted but didn't bother to do while she was alive. And they even depict her essentially getting to see her victory. The narrative amplifies sympathetic viewers' self-pity and self-righteousness while depicting suicide as a very romantic, productive, and satisfying act which canonizes the suicide and destroys their enemies.
@ibrahimzulfiquar668
3 жыл бұрын
It went over your head Such a poor understanding of the show Hannah didn't do terrible things to others wtf are you even saying The show is against suicide so IDK why you think like that
@kobaltkween
3 жыл бұрын
@@ibrahimzulfiquar668 I notice you have zero analysis or points to show it went over my head, or that you're right and she did nothing wrong by blaming others for her own, solitary actions and choices. Just to repeat, for everyone out there, first rule of suicide survivor's club is it's absolutely not your fault. Healthy people, especially ones in Hannah's extremely privileged position, do not choose suicide as a solution to problems they themselves explicitly admit they plan to leave behind in a year or less. That is mental illness, and terribly, tragically, heartbreakingly sad, but the reason is a chemical imbalance, and _not_ that you didn't read their mind and figure out a way to save them from themselves. And any real media against suicide wouldn't lie and depict the "reasons why" as external when they aren't. If this had been about her inability to afford therapy and anti-depressents, or the difficulties of finding one that works, or coping with the various side-effects, or even how peers and teachers reacted to her mental health struggles, it would have been more honest about external factors.
@Gigibaby88
3 жыл бұрын
I found your arguments really compelling and am not trying to argue with any of the main ones but 2 minor things came to mind I just wanted to point out...I wouldn't say that Hannah seems to be the most privileged or well off person in her friend group, have you seen Clay's house? Not to mention their "guest house" or whatever they call it that Clay & Justin move into in later seasons is bigger than my apt! Really most of those kids seem to be extremely privileged and well off with the exception of Justin. Also, I wouldn't say Hannah's parents "stopped grieving" either, I mean you never stop grieving when losing a loved one, particularly a child I would imagine, & if anything I think it actually *was* their grieving that led them to start looking for "someone to blame", particularly the mother. I mean if God forbid my daughter were to do that, I can't imagine my first instinct would be to sue her school but everyone deals with grief in different ways and I think that was just part of her process. But yeah, that's all, otherwise I was pretty in agreement with most of your arguments.
@Iamsylvie.30
3 жыл бұрын
I love this comment.
@Iamsylvie.30
3 жыл бұрын
@@ibrahimzulfiquar668 lol she wasnt perfect. She was also mean, she didn't stand up for herself which essentially is an oxymoron since she isn't shown as a weak and quiet girl, she's this witty teenage girl who knows how to deal with shit. She was just an attention seeker honestly. The character I mean. If someone is dying to take revenge and not end the pain, then honestly fuck that person.
@maeveriden8887
6 жыл бұрын
Just to focus on a single aspect, the person who committed suicide gets to give these tapes to people... when I was in middle school, I used to fantasize about having a suicide note read over the loud speaker, telling certain people how they hurt me, and also telling others how much they meant to me. Of course, that's a pretty ridiculous fantasy, that's not something that would happen in million years. Buuuut, maybe, sending tapes out? I'm glad I never thought of that. I'm glad there wasn't a show giving me suggestions. I'm glad there wasn't an outside source reinforcing that internal narrative, validating it. Cause I don't hate life as much as I did then, I'm not hopeless everyday. I don't know if I would be here to know that if I had been getting encouragement, and whatever the proclaimed purpose of the show, that's how I would have interpreted it when my brain was working against me.
@DisneyGeek95
6 жыл бұрын
Maeve Riden yes! This is a great point you have made
@albusdumbledore7733
6 жыл бұрын
Same. I thought about leaving a suicide note, to show them how much they hurt me, and if i would have seen the show back then, i dunno if would be still alive...
@annerittwage1401
6 жыл бұрын
I was also thinking about how the show would have affected me, had it existed during my first bad years when I was in high school, and that thought scares me. The scene where she killed herself would have thrown me over the edge, it looked so easy. Though every time I'm thinking about that scene I get mad, because she obviously didn't really want to die. She did it when her parents were home, she didn't lock the door, and she let the water run over. But hey.
@maeveriden8887
6 жыл бұрын
... so in a single day, there are already comments from at least two more of us who aren't sure we'd be here with this kind of show out there. Three people, just in this one video's comment section. Three people who could be dead. How many more are out there? How many people could this be hurting? I wonder if anyone making this really realizes the damage they could do...? It sounds like at least one expert tried to raise an alarm, so whoever is producing this can't be completely ignorant- it looks like a deliberate choice to ignore the risks. That seems inexcusable... Also, even now, it's nice to know I wasn't alone, so thanks. Fighting against your own mind is a tough battle, and I'm glad you guys are still here, after whatever you've gone through, to show that it's worth it to keep fighting.
@annerittwage1401
6 жыл бұрын
It is infuriating that people are defending this show, when the producers didn't really seem to care about people who are struggling.
@LordofBroccoli
6 жыл бұрын
You don't have to be silent, but realistic and serious. They portray and play with suicide as if it's just a shock factor. I won't write an essay here on why 13RW is hot trash, but one thing that I will say is that 13RW doesn't treat death seriously. Hannah kills herself, but hey, she recorded some tapes with her thoughts and memories, she appears to people as a ghost/hallucination, so really, Hannah's death ain't so serious. It's almost like she isn't even gone, like death doesn't mean that you... die.
@alexisroth7776
6 жыл бұрын
Marc Shanahan I agree with everything you said.
@DulceHoward
6 жыл бұрын
my thoughts exactly and also the ghost telling Clay what actually happened so he's got all figured it out but then it's like... did you really do this and hannah's playing the victim ...
@HallaDarVemArDu
6 жыл бұрын
But isn’t that true? You’re not gone until you’re forgotten. Regardless of their relationship, her death had an impact on all of them in one way or another, just like in real life. What this show did was glorify suicide as a way to get people to care.
@bluedragon8762
6 жыл бұрын
Pygmy Norton and go against mental health proffesionals directiona to not show suicide exactly as it happend but what do they know?
@theblegar1commenter765
6 жыл бұрын
I hope you guys realize only clay could see Hannah because she is a manifestation of his guilt? Clay is the only one who can see her.
@thecatmeowsalot6791
6 жыл бұрын
The thing about the book was that it made Hannah almost unlikable. She was only made sympathetic through the eyes of the boy who liked her. The show messed this up so badly by showing the world through her lens and not his. She isn’t necessarily supposed to be sympathetic, but rather tragic. She was supposed to represent a large group of suicidal teens, not be turned into a soap opera.
@sofiasosa2116
6 жыл бұрын
Also, in the book, Hanna isn't the protagonist!
@milkshake285
6 жыл бұрын
Sofia Sosa makes the book sound better the show had me annoyed
@AmandaTheJedi
6 жыл бұрын
The guy had a tickle trunk of guns at the end of the season, how did anyone NOT think it was setting up a school shooting?
@AustinPPutnam
6 жыл бұрын
Dude at the end of season 1 I literally thought they were starting up season 2 with that. I was surprised that it was held off till the VERY END.
@oliverftg2764
6 жыл бұрын
my idiot ass mates thought it was gonna be a "suicide attempt" like what, they already did that with Alex but na its a suicide attempt. and then they got mad kuss i "spoiled" the school shooting...WHAT DA FACK?
@RandomPerson-wy1pw
6 жыл бұрын
Actually there were many theories about a school shooting
@Rspsand07
6 жыл бұрын
It was held off till the end so it could be milked further, especially since they didn't actually go through with it so there's no aftermath content.
@masterDarts4188
6 жыл бұрын
Where did he even get the guns from?
@Falxifer95
6 жыл бұрын
My issue with this show was, is and still is how they romanticize suicide and the other thing about it is Hannah herself, if you aren't engaged with the story you start to notice how mean spirited she is, the same goes for all the characters.
@annerittwage1401
6 жыл бұрын
I found her annoying and narcissistic.
@annerittwage1401
6 жыл бұрын
I feel that it does. It makes you believe that the person you have a crush on will suddenly realize that they loved you all along and be heartbroken over your death.
@KookiesNolly
6 жыл бұрын
Anne Rittwage that's exactly why it appeals to many teenagers and it's very dangerous. That psychologist told Netflix not to go with this project for a reason but I guess money is more important. It's funny how a show that basically explains that a person's suicide is everyone else's fault would portray suicide in a way that actually made some teens kill themselves yet they don't feel like they have any kind of responsibility for those deaths and should stop right now. Fake wokeness at its best.
@milkshake285
6 жыл бұрын
i hated her from the start she seemed very selfish and extremely oblivious to her friends feelings
@dickcheese9086
6 жыл бұрын
Thomas Mitchell As much as I am a fan of it, I think it is quite apparent that the series does romanticise suicide.
@KarklesVantas
6 жыл бұрын
After stomaching all episodes of season 1, I can safely say, as someone who is legitimately depressed and has repeatedly been suicidal, it not only incorrectly portrays suicide and depression, but presents dangerous ideas which can seriously harm those who are at risk of suicide, such as implying that Hannah had no way of getting help and that turning to an adult who can help you does absolutely nothing, making death seem meaningless, and portraying suicide as a good or effective method of revenge. No clue why this got a season 2, it breaks several of the guidelines put in place by CASP (the Canadian Association for Suicide Prevention), guidelines specifically meant to make sure that when a show or movie portrays suicide, they don't encourage or glorify it. Overall, they failed to do what they set out to (besides make money, they succeeded at that,) and have likely done far more harm than good.
@estebanjulioricardomontoya1641
6 жыл бұрын
This season was SO god damn bad. Poorly acted, and disgustingly pandering to young kids. As a person who is a personal survivor of sexual assault, I can understand the whole being afraid to name your attacker thing, but Jesus H Christ, Jessica with the "it's my story to tell" shit is utter trash. The only episode that really resounded with me was the beginning of the final season where all the women stood up and told their stories about their encounters with sexual assault. It happens so often, and I'm happy that 13 reasons why covered it at least half assed correct. Really loved the book as depressed teenager. Am hugely dissapointed in the series
@Ian-oe9wp
6 жыл бұрын
man don't watch this just wait for 'coolcat stops a school shooting'
@pyroshayniac1090
6 жыл бұрын
It's not happening, Daddy Derek backed out. Last I heard anyway.
@Ian-oe9wp
6 жыл бұрын
noooooooooo !
@Ian-oe9wp
6 жыл бұрын
Gonzalo is he going at it alone now ?
@nikkovalidor4890
6 жыл бұрын
"Mumkey stops a school shooting but realizes how dumb yugioh is so he ends up doing his own shooting"
@React2Quick
6 жыл бұрын
Ian lmao I love these coolcat memes. Daddy Derek will bless us with a new coolcat movie
@TickingClocks
6 жыл бұрын
The fans claim that the show is "helping" people with mental illness and assault survivors by "spreading awareness" but come on...if that was the point they would've a) done only one season and b) not be so unapologetically graphic. Many people with ptsd from their own assaults have said the rape scenes in both seasons have made them physically ill. How is that helping? The writers are just doing this for shock value at this point. It's exploitation plain and simple. I'm not saying censor the show, but can it stop claiming to be so "woke" and to be doing this for people who are struggling? Because it's not for a lot of people. The show can be as shocking as it wants, but at least be genuine about it. The writers and the fans need to quit being so preachy when they know damn well it's for entertainment and nothing else.
@annerittwage1401
6 жыл бұрын
And it tells the viewers that you have to be able to read minds in order to maybe prevent someone from committing suicide.
@Xehanort10
4 жыл бұрын
The fact that the show's fans, despite claiming it's trying to stop suicide tell people to kill themselves or threaten to murder them for not liking it shows that they only watch it to try to feel deep and intelligent. A show being about suicide, rape and bullying doesn't make it a good show or make it above criticism.
@RaashLaura
6 жыл бұрын
Preach!! Freaking Amen! Snaps all around. I struggle with Depression, anxiety, and PTSD from emotional and verbal abuse (I call it a triple threat). As someone that was a targeted demographic 13 Reasons why failed on so many reasons for me. This show does not encourage healing and triumph over mental illness. This show can cause serious damage through triggering individuals which can result in attempts, relasps, and actual death. Hannah Baker chose to take her life; she chose that. She can not put that on anyone else. She potrayed revenge suicide which is incredibly toxic and should NEVER be incouraged. I agree with the message that words can hurt but this show took that to an unhealthy extreme. From personal experience you cannot force someone to try to get better. The individual have to make a daily choice to get better. Hannah didn't choose that. I myself even though I can blame my depression, anxiety, and PTSD on my abuser but if that is all I do then I will never ever get better. I choose to live. I choose to try to get better. I choose to try to move on and continue with my life. That is the only way individuals will get better and 13 Reasons why does not show that. Entertainment can portray a message of you can choose to get better. Examples of these are Dear Even Hansen, Silver Linings Playbook, and To the Bone. I will not watching the second season for the fact that I do not want to encourage the film industry to continue to put out content that sends this kind of dangerous message
@marina_epub
6 жыл бұрын
Netflix is milking this so much peoples "fans" are like "omg is there going to be a season 3??" but like we all know there is probably going to be...
@React2Quick
6 жыл бұрын
Marina Panda sure enough you were right. It's been renewed for a 3rd season.
@AlexanderOsuna
6 жыл бұрын
LordIron tapes then polaroids what next ???? MF carbon copies
@React2Quick
6 жыл бұрын
Eccentric Vlogs probably. That or hand written letters probably
@NarwhalGamingNG
5 жыл бұрын
Probably gonna end with some hot button issue
@Hoopergames
6 жыл бұрын
The nerve The audacity
@gswizz1238
6 жыл бұрын
If u speak to any professional who works with people with mental health issues they warn people not to watch the show as it portrays a bad message
@lds_drive
6 жыл бұрын
+George Fielder That is so true. For Season 1 I really got the "you'll be sorry when I'm gone" vibe from it.
@4.0cowboy
6 жыл бұрын
George Fielder you’re not going to die if you watch the shitty show lmao have control of yourself a shitty show will not manipulate unless you let it
@jopochapo
6 жыл бұрын
Chris G that's just a dumbass comment you don't know people's Mental Health people get so offended over everything you got offended over a comment you don't think someone with mental health issues could be influenced by show based around suicide I'm sorry how you talk to people
@alexisroth7776
6 жыл бұрын
Chris G You do know some ppl can be very fragile and experts warn that showing a graphic deception of suicide and the message of using suicide as a means of revenge can be tempting. In fact 2 separate girls (Priscilla and Bella) did kill themselves after apparently watching the show, and in Austria apparently 2 friends were forced to stop their suicide pact and copy cat suicides are a thing.
@4.0cowboy
6 жыл бұрын
Remember the word you used. "some"
@rooftopsignals7313
6 жыл бұрын
13 reasons why yes: 1: *Money* Repeat
@makiroll218
5 жыл бұрын
יהונתן V exactly
@DasJasch
Жыл бұрын
If (int reason = 1; reason
@d6d6d6d61
6 жыл бұрын
This TV-series is disgusting and the plot just awful, it's okay to talk about dark stuff in shows but the way Netflix did it was just terrible
@dalmir5212
5 жыл бұрын
d6d6d6d61 yeah that’s why I watch other Netflix shows.
@ibrahimzulfiquar668
3 жыл бұрын
No stfu They did a great job
@ibrahimzulfiquar668
3 жыл бұрын
@@dalmir5212 bcz you stupid
@Chief_Simba
6 жыл бұрын
Don’t let this distract you form the fact that drake has a son and he been paying child support huge L for drake pusha won the beef
@Chief_Simba
6 жыл бұрын
MarioFan588 / pusha won he’s a winner 🤨 do u need 13 reasons why?
@Chief_Simba
6 жыл бұрын
MarioFan588 / on a real note pusha put drake in a deadly spot yea your right child support isn’t a diss but the fact that drake can’t be transparent and let us the fans know is kinda shady man drake doesn’t speak on his son 🤭 but most importantly j cole went double plastic with no features
@yespleasepresents4823
6 жыл бұрын
Apparently, Jay-Z is dodging his son too
@Chief_Simba
6 жыл бұрын
YESPLEASE PRESENTS life’s crazy smh one of us could be some rapper son
@RoboticIzaac
6 жыл бұрын
Son Momo it seems like he was only hiding it until his Adidas press release.. he was going to use his son for publicity with his new clothes lol.
@mirandaruano67
6 жыл бұрын
As a person who was bullied and considered suicide, I am glad this show did not come out back in the day
@GraceD127
6 жыл бұрын
I like your fearlessness in criticizing this show. I mean the show wasn't perfect. It has its flaws like many other shows out there. I definitely wouldn't recommend it to anyone suicidal, it definitely makes the victim look perfect, justifies her suicide and blames everyone else for her actions. It opens up the conversation but is meant to entertain not to solve the problem.
@HallaDarVemArDu
6 жыл бұрын
Gracie Grace - Season 2 definitely did not make Hanna look like a victim. Even in season 1, she witnessed a murder and did nothing about it. Season 2 took any empathy away from our feelings about Hanna because we find out she was just as bad as the rest of them. Not to say people can’t change and the actions of the others are justified. It’s just Hanna wasn’t a good person to start with which took a lot away from her as a character.
@randomfools808
6 жыл бұрын
It doesn't open the conversation then. It's cheap drama done only for shock value.
@Chenso2099
6 жыл бұрын
“It opens up the conversation but is meant to entertain” That’s the problem. The topic of suicide shouldn’t be treated as entertainment, it shouldn’t be glorified or romanticized. It’s disgusting in it’s approach, offensive to those dealing with depression and suicide, people who actually had relatives that fell victim to it. Glad I didn’t watch it.
@mariobeltran3819
6 жыл бұрын
Keep It Lavish, you're the best Latino creator on KZitem You Offer Under Rated Super Extraordinary videos that seem Like Films and always entertain
@mariobeltran3819
6 жыл бұрын
Green Logos I tried yeah
@CapitalCCapitalC
6 жыл бұрын
Hated the first season. I couldn't validate this girl making multiple bad decisions & blaming everyone else for the consequences of that. It just angered me. I will probably watch the second season just to confirm my original thoughts. ❤❤❤ATZ
@alexisroth7776
6 жыл бұрын
Carys Is Awesome I do hate how everyone was treating Hannah as innocent when she was clearly wasn't. And as mentioned in the video, they still did in season 2. It pissed me off that Hannah had the nerve to be mad at Clay.
@thoyo
6 жыл бұрын
Alexis Roth I think the second season did a pretty good job at snatching her halo. She wasn't made out to be an angel, but was still able to be seen as a sympathetic figure
@Kingdom850
6 жыл бұрын
Considering how the lawsuit against the school didn't go through and Hannah's mother lost, it's kinda ridiculous how anyone could possibly say the show is purposely trying to make Hannah the innocent one.
@thecooler22
6 жыл бұрын
Carys Is Awesome I agree, it was truly aggravating and an awful message from the series, i know... Don't blame the victim, but saying you don't have to have common sense since if you end up being a victim is everyone else's fault... If you see a guy rape your friend, well maybe don't go to a party after a few days, alone, in his home and go swimming in your underwear? If 4 guys have rapist rumors around them, may be don't go to an abandoned shack with them? Hannah "we can't control who we fall for", i was like sure you can!!! You're declaring girls are governed by their instincts and emotions like animals with that, isn't that exactly what you're asking guys not to do?.
@CapitalCCapitalC
6 жыл бұрын
Art account IT Ya know, just this morning I thought about that. I wondered who's decision it was at the writing table to leave her character's moral compass on the fence. I feel like in theory it makes sense because that's how people work but in the story it translated to her being hypocritical, which was aggravating.
@zero1188
6 жыл бұрын
Season 2 should of started with of shooting and that should of been the focus. Hannah arc was over. Maybe bring up brace trial but thats about it
@joshuaokparaocha331
6 жыл бұрын
tyruss23 What new information did she give? Every question that Clay asked her she would go around in circles. She wasn’t a ghost she was an hallucination.
@quentinkinzy2044
6 жыл бұрын
But then how would they stretch the content out long enough to have more seasons? (edit: sarcasm)
@she5139
6 жыл бұрын
ikr
@johnilarde8440
6 жыл бұрын
zero That’s the ending.
@joshuaspencer4529
6 жыл бұрын
zero I disagree I feel like they should’ve really sped up that whole lawsuit with the school while still going through all the testimonies and everything because(to me anyway) that was a very important part of the whole getting justice for Hannah plot, but really hitting hard on the tyler school shooting plot. They did in his little side stories with Cyrus but when it came to the climax for him to be talked down so easily made it seem like they played this event up for no reason.
@Maria-yv7sq
6 жыл бұрын
The scene with Tyler in the bathroom was probably the most painful and unnecessary scene I've ever watched. Instead of just implying what happened, they literally showed EVERYTHING. They even left the sound in, and you could hear the screams and cries of terror of Tyler. All the while Monty has a sick and heartless look on his face. I've watched plenty of horror and graphic shows in my life, (including Hannah's suicide scene) but I have NEVER in my life had to pause the scene, walk around my house for 20 minutes and desperately try to convince myself that it wasn't real. Everytime I think about it, I have to clench myself for a bit, just to not imagine the terrible pain he went through.
@sofiasosa2116
6 жыл бұрын
ikr, it was so unecesary for the storyline
@sabiwu
6 жыл бұрын
tbh i did the exact same thing with the pausing
@aaliyahgriffin871
6 жыл бұрын
It was so hard for me I couldn't even continue right after with the episode
@valgracias9225
6 жыл бұрын
DiamondDoodler it's not haunting this is reality. It's like a message to people what rape feels like so don't fucking Do it.
@Maria-yv7sq
6 жыл бұрын
Beauty Geek the scene was still unnecessary. The only reason they put it in was for the shock factor of it.
@JMaddy171
6 жыл бұрын
I never argue with people I know who like this show. Tried it. The show is Not for me. But I've grown to hate the show and I never really could put the reason into words. Your last point is exactly why.
@alexisroth7776
6 жыл бұрын
Jason Maddy Yes. Me too. Its popcorn entertainment but when you look at the show from a realistic perspective, its just.. no.
@madelynh7052
6 жыл бұрын
Depressed and formally suicidal person here. When I was 14, I had to be a lab partners with a guy who sexually assaulted (keep in mind that that's a broad term. I'm not talking rape) me when we were 13. The difference is I reported it immediately and the school knew. I was advised to press charges but ultimately decided to forgive him and not ruin his life for something I didn't understand at the time would permanently scar me. I still don't regret forgiving him. I completely have psychological scars from it still. But anyhow, with all that background, I can't stand this show. It's boring and unrealistic. I can't see anything about the show that actually positively helps anyone going through mental issues or wanting to kill themselves. It's just a big downer binge and reinforces how the process of speaking up can be more painful than the original act itself.
@katiescarlettohara1542
6 жыл бұрын
That video was actually a reason I subscribed.✌
@Matt-xj8lh
6 жыл бұрын
Katie Scarlett O'Hara was it one of the....13 reasons? I’ll go die now
@daraudobong7195
6 жыл бұрын
Katie Scarlett O'Hara omg me toooooo
@aaa1e2r3
6 жыл бұрын
If you want to see the premise of 13 Reasons Why done much better, I'd recommend checking out the movie/manga A Silent Voice
@AnimePlaysMinecraft
6 жыл бұрын
This is a great manga and a beautiful movie, not to spoil anyone but the way they set up the phrase "see you later" is amazing.
@dogmaticka
6 жыл бұрын
it made me cry. Ishida made me cry
@Billy193
6 жыл бұрын
I agree completely. Gets the positive message across without any controversy.
@leticiavieira834
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for remembering this masterpiece 👌
@scp--297
6 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@the_ninja_piggy7020
6 жыл бұрын
Season 2 should've started with the shooting. Would've been 100 times better
@evegreenification
6 жыл бұрын
But then it couldn't have taken place on the anniversary of Columbine
@JennyofOldStones713
6 жыл бұрын
Eve Green oh shit, didn’t notice that til you said it. Damn. Wicked.
@marvinmora7754
6 жыл бұрын
Season 3 video title- Another Another 13 reasons why not
@quentinkinzy2044
6 жыл бұрын
marvin mora please tell me they aren’t making a season 3...
@marvinmora7754
6 жыл бұрын
Sydney Kinzy they probably are, they have a talent for stretching out content
@thetitanian5544
6 жыл бұрын
They should change the series title to 39 reasons why
@Thicc_Cheese_Dip
4 жыл бұрын
@@quentinkinzy2044 they have.... and a fourth season too....
@Thicc_Cheese_Dip
4 жыл бұрын
@@thetitanian5544 change that to 52 reasons why and it'll be spot-on.
@thoyo
6 жыл бұрын
Lilly Pfeilsticker at 00:54 "Welcome to your tape" 😂😭
@fredotony
6 жыл бұрын
LISTEN TO A D I D O N
@gFamWeb
6 жыл бұрын
Now the one thing that I think made no sense on the show is the compilation of sexual assault stories at Bryce's trial. While it made for a powerful moment, it makes no sense in the context of the show. Many of the stories had nothing to do with Bryce, and wouldn't be allowed in the court. The prevalence of sexual assault should not change the judge's decision on a specific rape case. In the end, it's just a pandering scene which serves no narrative purpose.
@klaarcath
6 жыл бұрын
Noah Gregory I don’t think they were literally there. I think it was a metaphor for Jessica being brave enough to speak up and maybe empowering more people to speak up in the future. It was in my opinion one of the only scenes that made speaking up, finding help and justice into a good thing and not something that will be punished and is useless.
@gFamWeb
6 жыл бұрын
Klaartje ok. Even if it was a metaphor, it completely takes you out the story. It served no narrative purpose.
@klaarcath
6 жыл бұрын
Noah Gregory I agree, but I do think it’s the only moment that is coherent with the so called purpose of the show. But that’s probably why it felt so random. If the show showed us more empowering scenes were they show you that you are never alone, instead of showing that everything will always get worse, it would have succeeded more in making a positive statement in my opinion. But it was completely random.
@Inn0CentVenom
6 жыл бұрын
Just because something has a good message doesn't make it good. That's a pretty shallow way of judging material. The thing about the creators of this show and I problem I'm seeing in most of the world's media today is that while a lot of people have good intentions they have pretty bad ideas at how to implement them.
@annerittwage1401
6 жыл бұрын
I don't think they had good intentions due to the fact that they absolutely disregarded everything the psychologists told them about how to handle such a topic. They wanted publicity, and money.
@victorrocha5755
6 жыл бұрын
75% of 13RW fanbase never actually had depression in their lives. The other 15% says they have depression but they blame their illness for every poor decision they make that ruins, not only theirs lives, but other people lives as well. Shitty series ever. And it is still glorified by a bunch of 15 years old kids who says they want the world to be better but they also wish people to get killed or die if people don't agree with their opinions. And funmy thing is, Hannah Baker didn't even had Depression. She killed herself for revenge. No wonder the name of the show is a short way to say "13 reasons why I killed myself" and then she gives the tapes to every single one of the 13 reasons she quotes to have ruined her life.
@gFamWeb
6 жыл бұрын
Ok, I actually understand Jessica when she said it's not their story to tell. I believe you even said in your first video and Hannah revealing Jessica's rape to her over the tape was manipulative. See, Jessica was saying that the girls needed to tell the story themselves because it would be a moment of power for them. Otherwise, if they hear it from someone else, they're crushed.
@AMAli-ct5df
3 жыл бұрын
She didnt by name
@chiabee14
6 жыл бұрын
I haven’t watched the show, but I read the book in high school. It was because a dear friend of mine was going through depression and my friends and I wanted to monitor what she was reading, and let me tell you, I was never as relieved as when she told me that she would never do what Hannah did because it was bullshit. That’s why I can’t support the show: mentally ill people are drawn toward mental illness stories, and that’s a good thing but only if the stories can be helpful to their struggles, not if they glorify the illness and legitimize toxic/harmful behavior
@Mumblejumby
6 жыл бұрын
*🎵all the other kids with the pumped up kids 🎵*
@pyroshayniac1090
6 жыл бұрын
Oh God.
@user-hf4qy3mt6z
6 жыл бұрын
I remember hearing this song not knowing what it was about, and then hearing Zac Efron and Taylor Swift singing it on Ellen.
@magicman205
6 жыл бұрын
This show is pure evil. It's damaging so many of the very people it promised to help. Someone needs to get a mop and give this show the Tyler treatment.
@dunya28
6 жыл бұрын
Magicman205 no
@DulceHoward
6 жыл бұрын
man, i liked the first season, i thought suicide is a real issue, we need to pay more attention to it, i have friends that are dealing with depression and suicidal thoughts but this second season is so bad, man, sooo bad. The way they tried to approach these problems is so wrong. And confusing, i thought it was so stupid that firstly they tell you hannah is so perfect and then they come out like "hey, hannah is a bitch but also a victim" like... what? and I agree with the jessica's problem saying it's not her story to tell... man, rape is a fucking crime and also CLAY... how come no one even noticed he's alone and he's talking to no one? and the "ghost" of hannah telling him what happened or that he can think whatever he wants...? it so fucked up. And when Tayler got raped at school.... and then he's at home just like nothing happened... no one noticed THAT?
@davideassis87
6 жыл бұрын
If you think about we're all both victims and perpetrators in many different contexts, the old "you're the hero of your own story, but the villain of someone's else" and that's what the second season is about and everyone deals with that in so many different ways... the same about being raped while drunk or if you're a boy. Of course most of the decisions for the characters and plot will consider what they're doing to keep the show going on and ratings always high, so we shouldn't expect some "Requiem for a Dream -level" of complexity and darkness, but I believe it's going somewhere.
@KEWALNAMCHRIST
6 жыл бұрын
This show sucks, period. It has nothing to do with the problems they are talking about. THE SHOW IS TRASHHHHHHH. I DON'T CARE HOW ANY OF YOU FEEL. STOP COMBINING YOUR PERSONAL SHIT WITH THE ACTUAL ART OF IT. IT ISN'T GOOD, IT ISN'T WRITTEN WELL, IT ISN'T EDUCATIONAL, IT DOESN'T TEACH YOU ANYTHING NEW ABOUT THESE ISSUES, MENTAL AND OTHERWISE, IT'S NOT EVEN A VIVID PORTRAYAL, I WROTE SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR MY WRITER HOUSE WHEN I WAS 16, THIS IS A JOKE, THE WRITERS ARE A JOKE, AND NO ONES LAUGHING. THIS SHOW IS WRITTEN PURELY TO MOVE EMOTION, WITHOUT ANY REAL PURPOSE, WITHOUT ANY REAL MESSAGE, AND LIKE MOST SHEEP YOU HAVE ALL FALLEN FOR IT. BUT WHAT THE FUCK DO I KNOW, I JUST LIKE HAVE BEEN THROUGH MOST OF THESE MENTAL AND PHYSICAL BATTLES WITH MYSELF AND FOR FRIENDS. SO WHEN I SEE A BULLSHIT PORTRAYAL OF SUICIDE AND RAPE I'M GOING TO CALL IT, AND THIS IS EXACTLY THAT. A COLLEGE THESIS PAPER DOES A BETTER JOB
@nada659
6 жыл бұрын
man, i agree
@RealBlackNoir69
6 жыл бұрын
Yea my girl and I binged and was like is it me or is Hannah kind of a bitch and then ending in cliffhanger saving the school shooter tf and now you are telling kids to confront a school shooter lol
@milkshake285
6 жыл бұрын
Movies 4Real she was a bitch from the first few episodes which let me know that i wouldn’t like her
@amitroshandungdung4936
6 жыл бұрын
I'm seeing what you doing in your VISION BOARD 😅
@NovaKnight_
6 жыл бұрын
Hannah showing up as a reoccurring 'talking ghost' was the thing that annoyed me the _most_ about season 2. She didn't contribute much to the plot (except for gradually pissing Clay off...and me), and it took away the point of 'her being gone' and everyone trying to move forward without her. Her being present as a 'ghost that has no clue why she's there' took away the impact of her suicide for me. Also, it wouldn't have hurt the costume designers to at least make her _look_ like a ghost. Maybe have her show up in the clothes she died in?? Make her look...ghostly? Her showing up looking like she never died, in a well put-together outfit seemed so out of place. Sure, let's just assume they have makeup and Forever 21 in the afterlife.
@MegaThrasher95
6 жыл бұрын
StrawberryCola Except she *wasn’t* really a ghost. It was Clay’s hallucinations. They made it known in Season 1 that Clay had some sort of mental issues that could be remedied by prescribed medication. Couple that with losing a very important person in your life. He probably was going through psychosis, and you can see that affecting him all throughout this season. Remember how out of it he looked when he showed up to Bryce’s house with a gun?
@NovaKnight_
6 жыл бұрын
MegaThrasher95 I know, I mean in the perspective of what they’re trying to portray as storywriters/filmmaking. I said ‘ghost’ because Clay sees his hallucinations as her haunting him. Either way, it’s still very poorly executed from a writing/film perspective.
@brunyv
6 жыл бұрын
so glad you did another video on this show, my biggest problem with it really is they relay on shock factor to cause an impact and that's really what it does. also after season one aired and a lot of people were against or had some complains about some scenes, specially the suicide scene, you would think they would take that as criticism and do better....we got that one scene everyone is talking about instead.
@cmilliones
6 жыл бұрын
There’s really no point at all for a season 3. It was more than very evident what was going to happen AND what direction it was going to take. The dramatic scene of him getting a broomstick up his butt was just to push the idea that he’d go over the edge. That was a bit much. They a milking this heavy. Literally what else can they do? I’m sure they’ll find a way
@burningshadows01
5 жыл бұрын
I watched the first episode of the first show. That was it. I am glad I stopped. I am an adult so it wasn't exactly aimed at me but I have been sexually assaulted and abused, I have been gaslighted, emotionally/mentally/verbally abused and for a short period of time I was hit by someone I knew. I'm 38 years old, I have had two mental break downs, three attempts at suicide and spent 8 years in a relationship so toxic that I am still in therapy to get past all of it. All of that said? I didn't end things, I went and got help. I talked to people, I have a therapist. I have a psychiatrist. I am remarried with a son and my husband is a great person. It took me a long time to get to a place where my mind wasn't one huge minefield ready to explode no matter where my thoughts went. You can get help, you can get to a good place in your life. Will it make everything go away? No. It won't. Will it help you be happier and feel like you aren't tied to the weight of the things that hurt you? Yes it will. Also so people understand I don't just have PTSD, I also have Bipolar II, so I have my own mental health issues on top of the other things I dealt with. 13RW is nothing but glorification, spreading all the wrong messages and hurtful. I am stable and happy. It wouldn't send me into a spiral, but if I had watched it during my breakdowns or at my lowest points? That probably would have been something that helped push me to the edge.
@MP3MusicYT
6 жыл бұрын
I liked season 1 but season 2 is unnecessary and then leading it onto a 3rd season towards the end is a complete joke and trying to turn it into some kind of show kind of shows how they want to milk the success.
@kodablue6271
6 жыл бұрын
You are an underrated KZitemr!!! I love your reviews and stuff 😂 I agree with so much of what you say!!💕
@lemondrizzlecake7766
6 жыл бұрын
I watched season 1 last year for pure entertainment without expecting much of it, and I did find it somewhat enjoyable, although I didn't appreciate the ultra-graphic depictions. Then I learnt they were pushing it as some form of PSA against suicide and I was like...what?! Then I learnt they were making a season 2 and I was like WHAT?!? There was absolutely no narrative reason for a second season, and now that I've watched it I'm so enraged with this show. I don't want to write a paper, but I'll put some of my thoughts here: - I'll start with the only little bit of positive: I did somewhat enjoy Jessica's storyline. I found her reactions quite realistic, even those you pointed out. That "whatever", I read it more like her dying inside but trying to play it cool to avoid confrontation; and the polaroid thing: I felt it was realistic that a rape victim (who hasn't at this point come forward with it) wouldn't feel comfortable about forcing another rape victim to come forward. People tend to underestimate how traumatic going to trial is. Jessica also addresses how she isn't "the right victim" to bring a Bryce-type to trial, and I appreciated the fact that in the end, Bryce got out scot-free because that's unfortunately quite true to life. Now on with the rant: - Clay was never a good protagonist, but in this season I found him unbearable. He's so judgemental, he cares way more about "doing right" by a dead person than actually caring about the living, and he was just... too much for me. Also, for a show supposedly about mental health they did a good job of ignoring completely his very obvious issues (like hallucinating Hannah for most of the season) - The obvious references to the Columbine shooters were frankly awful, period. - It already started last season, but in this one, even more, we have these ultra-graphic depictions of brutal violence that are supposedly there to "tell things how they are" and "start a conversation". Like there wasn't plenty of evidence on the contagion effect of these things (they even freaking acknowledge the issue of suicide contagion, ffs!) They're honestly just doing it for shock value, and they know it, and it's disgusting given their target demographic. - that last scene at school, what the hell. Like, is this show seriously suggesting that an appropriate response in a school shooting situation is running in front of the shooter, alone, and try to talk him down? And dissuade everyone else from calling the police? I can't, I swear... Okay, sorry, I did end up writing a paper. Like you said very well, the issue is not censoring certain topics in media, but this is just a BAD representation of those issues, told in a very prescriptive way that does not facilitate a dialogue or critical thought, at all. And completely ignoring all qualified advice and scientific evidence on how to best deal with these sensitive topics. But I guess the show runners just know better than anyone else...
@AustinPPutnam
6 жыл бұрын
I honestly liked season 1. Thought it was great and had mature story telling. Yes it was graphic, but it never felt like exploitation to me anyway. Season 2 had the exact opposite effect. I get it though, they want to start a conversation, but in season 2 it felt like they just wanted to shock us more than have a compelling story.
@johnmarcdegaard6589
6 жыл бұрын
I think the cool thing about this show is that it’s doing its job of starting a conversation over the topic. Whether that be good or bad, it’s there, and it’s effective. I enjoy how polarizing it is too, with people absolutely disdaining the show along with those who love and claim the show actually saved their lives. Idk man, as a fan of the show because I’ve dealt through some shit in middle/high school, I truly enjoy watching videos that range from praise to slander. So for that sir, I commend you
@RachelHeritage
6 жыл бұрын
One of my issues with season 2, apart from most of the obvious things, is that all the primary female characters are victims. I understand their message was that sexual misconduct and misogyny is a huge issue in society and affects everyone, however, not all women and victims and not all that are live their life underneath that title - Hannah, Jessica, Chloe and the other victims or girls put in dangerous situations are defined by and shun themselves from being victims. Not just that but, particularly Jessica, is surrounded by only the primary male characters to 'save' them. This is so clear in the scene on episode 12 where the jock (can't remember his name) who Clay, Alex and the others thinks has the photos, is surrounded by all the 'good guys' on the side of Hannah and Jessica. Yes it says how not all guys are sexist and cultivates the idea that men should not stand for that behavior, but then It no longer becomes a story with the theme of misogyny from the experiences of women, but the theme of misogyny being fought off by men. Yes men can and are allowed and are welcomed to join the fight against misogyny, but the idea of women being fragile in need of protection is a misogynistic ideology. So much for the strong independent woman trope being over used.
@IsasHappyHour
6 жыл бұрын
There was literally no need for a season two, they just needed some cash for a life-size statue of Jake Paul dabbing.
@lexiel4091
6 жыл бұрын
As someone who has experience this on both sides I can say with confidence that the show handles it terribly. If you are supporting the show, you aren't helping anyone. This is hurting people. There have already been multiple copycats. It's triggering. This show is irresponsible and causing a lot of harm. You may thing that it's starting a conversation, and it is, but the conversation it's trying to start is blatantly harmful.
@lukescott1743
6 жыл бұрын
13 reasons why is the xxxtentacion of netflix shows Woke
@e.t4635
6 жыл бұрын
Luke Scott LOOOOOOOLLLL. with a little bit of j cole too
@jordanhenry9237
6 жыл бұрын
E.t no
@havensmith5527
6 жыл бұрын
This comment has aged interestingly...
@unknownbla1357
6 жыл бұрын
Luke Scott rip
@jairoserrato2269
6 жыл бұрын
2:20 - 2:40 so true!! one of our students attempted a pill overdose after watching the show, when asked why he did this, he said that the show inspired him!! this kid was already getting treated, looked after, and instead of this show helping him it enabled him to see why taking his life would be ok.
@Mika-ko6gp
6 жыл бұрын
I think one of the biggest problems that this show faces is that it's not actually clear who their target audience is. Obviously it isn't made FOR people with mental illnesses, if that was the case the show would have provided a more hopeful look at depression that would have inspired people to get help. My personal opinion is that it's supposed to be a show that portrays suicide in a way that isn't so much "suicide is bad and you shouldn't do it" or "suicide is bad but also here are the pros of killing yourself" but more so "this is what suicide CAN be like, this is how it COULD go". I think that if you watch the show in a more objective way with a different mindset, then it works way better. If you go into it with the thought that this show isn't pushing social commentary or trying to teach the viewer a lesson, but that it's actually just telling a story about a girl who killed herself and all the consequences that it has, then it's not nearly as bad. I also think a lot of commentary on the show is rooted in "this character did something that isn't logical or "realistic"", like saying that it doesn't make sense for Jessica not to want to expose Bryce, or for her to say that the polaroids shouldn't be given to the police. Criticism like that doesn't really make sense because these characters aren't 'one-size-fits-all', they're supposed to just be real people who don't always do the things that make the most sense. Jessica doesn't want the polaroids to go to the police because she knows how horribly it can pack out when someone else claims you were raped/sexually assaulted. If Clay and Justin had simply used those pictures as evidence it would have FORCED all those girls to say that they were sexually assaulted, even if they weren't. That's a horrible thing to do to someone. My point is that sometimes characters don't do the thing that makes the most sense, and with 13 Reasons Why, you should take every characters actions with a grain of salt and say "this isn't how everybody would do it".
@daftbanna7202
4 жыл бұрын
A lot of people kill themselves because they don't have control over their own lives. Showing a character killing themselves and gaining more control than when they were alive can encourage people to do the same
@marcotontodonati347
6 жыл бұрын
I was in the middle of the let me explain vid for 13rw 2 and I saw the notification
@FLdancer00
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! You said everything I've been thinking but in a much clearer way.
@alphariusomegon3965
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for saving me the time cause I wasn't going watch it
@JuriAmari
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for doing this again. That counselor scene was also super inaccurate. You don’t have to say a name to report an incident. That scene really pissed me off. I have friends and relatives who are counselors and I’ve learned this in a number of psychology classes. I saw they were trying to do the adults and kids don’t see eye-to-eye thing but it was a terrible way of doing it. In addition to delivering a toxic message to those already having suicidal ideations, it also sends a terrible message to those who want to help our professional or otherwise. It’s like the show’s saying “teens don’t understand and adults either don’t care or are no good so don’t bother. Just keep it to yourself.” Help is available and the key is to keep trying until there’s an avenue. I know it feels like a narrow tunnel but there is a positive way out without resorting to suicide. Things really do get better.
@nada659
6 жыл бұрын
Supernatural and Arrow are the only really good tv shows from the CW
@Miles_Phantasmagoria
5 жыл бұрын
I'm so grateful it came out after I started to get better cause if I saw this show when I was younger, I don't even know. I've had depression, OCD, anxiety my whole life, and now I'm able to recognize the poor writing and melodrama, but then I don't think I'd be able to
@arash123salam
6 жыл бұрын
This show just does not make sense! It's like the writers wanted us to dislike Hannah from the beginning!
@cnashford2
6 жыл бұрын
I almost died at 11:44. My dumb self seriously thought he had a twin brother! LOL.
@Browntable
6 жыл бұрын
Great video man! *claps*
@abbylea6984
5 жыл бұрын
I think the goal of the show was to be realistic. Each character reacts the way a normal human would. They aren't trying to set an example of how to be. They are portraying the world as it is and starting a conversation about these very real issues that we need to be paying attention to.
@SimoneUmba
6 жыл бұрын
I watched your video for season 1 yesterday and said you predicted the season finale for the 2nd season. This whole season felt like a cash grab for the team behind this. It doesn't help people at all.
@MENACE-km6bd
6 жыл бұрын
Simone Umba I think everyone predicted the finally
@alyssagangi5341
6 жыл бұрын
It's not like the first season helped either
@Nexils
6 жыл бұрын
Damn right it's a cash grab. They already took all there was to tell about the story (the book), but now they're just running around with whatever.
@savannawilliams1955
6 жыл бұрын
The show actually has helped some people.
@martinkaradzhov3333
6 жыл бұрын
Simone Umba I think s2 helped because it showed the lifes of the others being affected and what an evil thing Hannah did
@deeznueces
6 жыл бұрын
Omg you should watch Riverdale. The first season was pretty good and the characters were actually likeable and it was good dumb fun. Then in season 2 it became a total mess like the characters and the plots and everything, but it was still fun to watch because you can criticize and make fun of the writing (even the own Riverdale fans were ridiculing the show) because its a fictional thing. BUT in 13 reasons why you cant say shit to any die hard fan because ITS A SHOW ABOUT SUICIDE, ARE YOU BLAMING THE VICTIM, YOU SICK FUCK, and all that shit that people tell you, LIKE ITS FICTIONAL PEOPLE IT IS!!
@ludd1804
6 жыл бұрын
I think you should watch the “behind the scenes” version of 13 reasons why season, or whatever it’s called. They talk about some stuff that is important about why they decided to make the characters make different decisions, like for example why Bryce didn’t get a longer sentence
@majinally3527
6 жыл бұрын
my overall problem are the tapes(dude really thats pycho) and the fact that literal doctors told them not to portray suicide the way they were going to and did it anyways. im sorry but it should not take a god damn show/book to realize you need to treat people like a human being. i get that it starts a "conversation" but for someone thats dealing with their mental health, i feel like its a slap in the face. idk lol let me shut up now. and since you bring up riverdale...i genuinely love the show but the "dark betty" stuff is fuckin weird
@Liam-rn1qb
6 жыл бұрын
Dude AtZ, great vid! I live that edit with run in the beginning, so funny 😂😂
@TheRewiredSoul
6 жыл бұрын
Hey man. Love your channel and outlook on stuff.I have a mental health channel and did like 6 or 7 videos on season 2 of 13 Reasons Why. I agree and disagree with some of your points in this video. The first one being the hate comments you get from people who "connected" with this show. They're clearly not learning anything. I personally think we put way too much responsibility on a show. I'm glad you pointed out that other shows and movies have touched on these topics. I'm not sure if I agree that the show claimed to take a "moral high ground". I feel a lot of people put expectations on this show of what it was supposed to be. Especially when it comes to mental illness. Now, I'm going to disagree with your point about a psychologist telling them not to release this show. This is just one issue I have with critics and review channels, you only find something that fits your narrative. Like, I get it. You have 10-13 minutes of attention span of your audience (if you're lucky) and you're presenting one side of the argument that fits your goal. The reality is that was one psychologist who fit the point you were making. On the other hand, I can find you dozens more who work for other suicide organizations who were on-board and helped them craft this show as best as possible. You're a smart guy. I know you know of people who tell people not to do something, but that doesn't mean they're right. As someone who has dedicated my life's work to the mental health field, one thing that I've found is that there are varying opinions on every subject. As far as the foreshadowing of the school shooting and "manipulating" the audience, I'd call that suspense. I don't know why it's considered "manipulating" in this instance, but in a horror movie when you think a jump scare is coming, and it doesn't, it's just suspenseful. I just always find it fascinating how when people are giving their opinion and have beliefs, it's difficult for them to sit back and ask themselves if they find the same thing okay in other situations. But at the end of the day, man, you're honestly my favorite review channel on KZitem. You bring an awesome perspective to everything that you do.
@TheAtZShow
6 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the comment man! •My point with the psychologist is that NETFLIX were the ones who reached out. They were looking for a “thumbs up” approval for the show and when he advised them against it they ignored him. Them thinking they “knew better” (plus interviews/narrative) is where I get the moral ground thing. •I’m not a fan of the jump scare tropes either - but you’re right..The Dirties, WNTTAK, Elephant all do something similar but they didn’t come with trigger warnings because of Selena Gomez’ interviews telling kids this was “educational” I definitely can see the good sides of it. Like I mentioned - Clays talk with Tyler, the idea of actually reaching out to people. I’m curious what parts stuck with you the most?
@TheRewiredSoul
6 жыл бұрын
The AtZ Show you’re a good dude, man. Btw, you’ve done your research, and I can’t argue with that lol. I do think the creators did what I mentioned and cherry picked people who fit their narrative, and they didn’t do the best job. One of the main reasons I’ve made so many videos about the show on my channel is to give the perspective of what lessons to learn from the show. Kind of like you mentioned with Jessica, I think the show did a great job of teaching people what not to do in many cases. In the videos I made, I consistently talk about how many of these problems would have been resolved by getting adults involved. I think what stuck with me the most is how real this show was. That’s why people are pissed in my opinion. We go to shows and movies for an escape, and this was far too real. My mental channel is only at 6,000 subs and I get TONS of messages from teenagers with the problems the characters have in this show. It’s easy for us on the outside or who are older to say “tell an adult”, but these teens are scared to. They’re scared of being judged. OR I have a lot of teens tell me they told their parents and told their counselor but they just get told “what you’re going through is normal”. It’s really heartbreaking. Again, I think that’s why people are so mad because this show was real as hell. Adults often look down at teens as though their problems don’t matter, so is there really any wonder why teens don’t speak up?
@carolinedixon5913
6 жыл бұрын
The Rewired Soul I've watched most of your videos on 13RW and I disagree with your stance on a lot of things (Although your voice is like hot butter!). Unlike the AtZ Show I don't think you do a lot of research into the behind the scenes of the show. Coming onto another KZitemr's channel to plug your own because you have a different opinion is kind of shitty in my opinion, especially when you come at him with a weak argument. You points are really easy to dispute with minimal research especially with the SAVE (suicide awareness voices of education) coming out against the show and trying to educate teachers, leaders, and parents because the of the inaccuracies in the show. I don't care that the show has those inaccuracies except that they portray the show (especially season 2) as a PSA of sorts. AtZ's comment on moral high ground is extremely noticeable if you watch any interview with the writers and directors. In the behind the scenes on Netflix there is a woman talking about how what Clay did at the end was extremely bad and he should have locked the doors, called the police, and kept the other kids safe... but that doesn't make a good show, even though in the same conversation the writers are talking about how accurate their show depicts the real world and real world scenarios. I think you need to dig more into the research and behind the scenes before your next video because there are blatant holes that can be punched into your videos with the slightest bit of effort from your audience. I don't like writing comments much less ones that are on the meaner side (which is why I don't leave comments on you videos = I responded on one to a girl who's definition of depression was seriously askew) but you open yourself up to a much bigger audience when you comment on other's channels. (Which I guess is the point huh?) I do like other videos on your channel, though. Mental health is something I think everyone should take seriously which is the main reason why I have such disdain for the writers of 13RW. They don't care about mental health; it's just a cash grab to them.
@TheRewiredSoul
6 жыл бұрын
Caroline Cole First off, thank you for the voice compliment lol. I 100% agree that my initial argument was extremely weak, and it’s my fault for assuming he didn’t watch interviews. I have a ton of respect for him and this channel, and we actually had a chance to talk privately. I have no problem with getting called out when I’m wrong. Now, you seem well-educated, and I absolutely value your opinion, but I respectfully still disagree. I think the show put themselves in a bad spot by even attempting to take that moral high ground when they really should have just made the show with a little disclaimer and left it at that because they opened themselves up to the ridicule and outrage we’re seeing. My argument is that people have put this show in a box separate from everything else, and that’s what baffles me. When was the last time you saw a band like Linkin Park or another dark band consult or be urged to speak to psychologists and advocacy groups before releasing an album? Never. Why is that though? A band like that is extremely dark, yet adored by millions when one could easily argue that they promote glamorization of depression and suicidal ideation. And let’s also look at the recent suicide deaths of Anthony Bourdain and Kate Spade. People are so busy worrying about the message of a fictional show when this is happening in real life. Kate Spade’s Suicide notes puts blame on her ex-husband. This is not fiction. THAT is real, and yet people are outraged by a fictional show stating Hannah used suicide as revenge. I think we’d get a lot more accomplished in the space of mental health awareness and advocacy by focusing on the real issues rather than exhausting our energy on a fictional show. Which, at the end of the day comes down to parenting. If parents were more educated about mental health and knew what their children were watching, it wouldn’t matter what creative style a show decided to take. (Here comes another channel plug), but I’m going to do an in-depth series on parenting, and I’m 1000% going to discuss this shift in our culture where we’re blaming everything on people with no direct relationship with a child rather than the people who raise them. Also, I don’t think your comment was mean at all 😃 I enjoy back and forth conversation with other opinions, and you did an excellent job starting off with a compliment lol ❤️
@carolinedixon5913
6 жыл бұрын
The Rewired Soul I definitely agree that we should be more focused on real life events but the younger generations are not news oriented. I can't really speak for that age group anymore but my little sister is 16 and my younger brother is 20 and both of them don't watch the news or read articles. Neither of them new about the suicides and my younger sister loved Anthony Bourdain. The reason that the show is something that opens itself up to such reaction is because of it's target audience. It is something spreading false information and bad representation of the world directly to those most at risk (suicide is the leading cause of death for people from ages 13-24). That's why the moral high ground point is so valid in these arguments. You have these writers and this show saying that their portrayal of the world is the most accurate any show has ever portrayed and these kids eat that up because they don't get their information from many other places. I wouldn't have a problem with the show at all if they marketed it as a show and not more along the lines of a PSA. Also, I love listening to the harder side of music, and they get blamed for almost everything. Slipknot, Hail the Sun, Secret Band, Marilyn Manson, Chelsea Grin, Jane's Addiction, My Chemical Romance, Judas Priest, etc. Those bands from multiple genres have been accused of causing everything from racism to suicide to school shootings. They don't advertise their work as a PSA; they advertise their work as art. They don't even need to try to do anything and most of the media is saying they cause violence. That's the difference in your analogy. 13RW advertised as trying to spread the word on topics that are hard to speak about; but they failed miserably in their delivery and instead of accepting that they did a bad job they doubled down with season two. It was an opportunity to make money and they took it. These bands make music that speaks to them and their fans. They aren't trying to make parents talk to their kids about suicide. It is a way to let their emotions out and if it resonates with their audience they make money (most bands aren't out to cash grab = they make music because they like to make music). (Also, Linkin Park wasn't really a good band to use in your analogy either. I don't know if you were trying to list a band that is well known but they really aren't a "dark" band. They are actually pretty main stream and pop influenced. You should have gone with something like Marilyn Manson since he's well known or found a death core band which is literal violence in music. Just a helpful tidbit from a music nerd!)
@ashleyware82
6 жыл бұрын
Lol you kill me when you say “Ma’am”!!! Lmao 😂
@silver6640
6 жыл бұрын
13RW is just wrong ... on just so many levels and i do agree with his opinion. The show is to dang frustrating !!
@Lunabyes
6 жыл бұрын
The thing that pisses me off the most about the Bryce situation is that it shows that if women report nothing will be done, thus leading them to never report in the first place. As someone who has been sexually assaulted and is currently going through the process of reporting and conviction, this makes me sick to my fucking stomach. Obviously it is the woman's choice whether to report or not BUT this show tells the young female audience that there's no point in reporting because nothing will be done anyway.
@JailanSimon
6 жыл бұрын
I think the most surprising part for me...was when they actually showed her slitting her wrist!!
@jonnoweb
6 жыл бұрын
I can see why they did it, but the suicide groups did say don't.
@DulceHoward
6 жыл бұрын
and now they show how someone got raped... AT SCHOOL and that was like an intent of homicide and no one cares
@mahsyom8469
6 жыл бұрын
Bro keep speaking your mind. Keep up the good work! LUV ur channel.
@vankobishh
6 жыл бұрын
God damn I got here early 🔥🔥🔥
@nihaarikasingh9524
6 жыл бұрын
America has been facing so many issues regarding gun control due to the widespread school shootings. Tyler's entire storyline literally just backs up the claims of the sick politicians who say that the school shooter wouldn't have been this way if other students had been nice to him. How the writers completely missed that is my biggest concern with this show. It ain't helping no one ever. #boycott
@thehorrorsociety2820
6 жыл бұрын
13 Reasons Why still sucks anyways. Gonna wait for Cobra Kai season 2.
@Torkanos
6 жыл бұрын
« Listen to Adidon » in the background 😂 This guy is funnyyy 😂😂😂
@jfassettx123
6 жыл бұрын
Listen to Adidon.
@MerkGeeTV
6 жыл бұрын
jfassettx123 he said something about Push so i guarantee he did 😂
@nicolasthompson1260
6 жыл бұрын
People really told him “welcome to your tape” I’m fucking dead. Keep spreading your ideas bro I agree with you 😂💀
@lobitosuave
6 жыл бұрын
I don't agree with your half baked victim comment... I believe that whole, "you wanna chill?" scene one hundred percent. That kinda trauma, I couldn't even imagine, so if she would've stood up to him and been the hero; that would've been a lot harder to believe for me than her trying to get over what happened and trying to act normal with him again. However! She's the only character I can get behind. Hannah's character is just so extra. Even in season 2! 13 Reasons Why? More like 6 Reasons, maybe. I'm sticking to your reviews cuz I just can't sit through 13 more episodes of this 😂 👌🏽
@ImmaURq
6 жыл бұрын
The strangest thing about this show is that it’s partly filmed where I grew up. So watching it I remember the dark times I had as a teenager (not Hannah dark, but still I felt sad and lonely) and it’s a total trip because EVERYONE knows Hannah and all her sadness and motives her death, but I was generally unknown. It makes every scene feel horribly inflated and unrealistic.
@angeladunn3077
5 жыл бұрын
I am glad that you created a very logical video essay discussing this factor. I work in the counseling field and what a lot of people don't understand is that some people can misconstrue this show as Hannah being able to see the aftermath of her suicide and essentially getting revenge. As horrible as it is, it is completely possible for a young person considering suicide to think that this is a way to get pay-back. But the reality is, if they take their own life, they aren't going to get to see the after-math like this show. I am happy that a show is gutsy enough to bring these issues to the mainstream and have discussions about this, but the execution is not awesome.
@anitanoterajes
6 жыл бұрын
I live with suicide thoughts everyday. I watched both seasons. I'm not triggered. My life experience is why I want to die not a show. Please stop using people like me as a reason.
@jopochapo
6 жыл бұрын
Hes not saying you do beciase of a show hes using people like you as another reason as to why this show never should have been made or atleast made this poorly
@HallaDarVemArDu
6 жыл бұрын
This show has lead others to commit suicide with the beliefs their death will tragically affect the people around them, just like season 1 did with Hanna. Some of us with suicidal thoughts are stronger and know our deaths will be nothing more than a statistic. Just like how almost everyone who owns a gun will not kill another human but that does not mean that no one who owns a gun won’t kill another human. While 13 reasons why wanted to tackle suicide in a realistic manner to today’s society, it failed miserably.
@scp--297
6 жыл бұрын
1. Hope you get better and please get help if you didn't get help. 2. Everyone with suicide thoughts aren't the same. For example you, me or anyone with it. Someone will see the show and they might cope it, get triggered, get offended or just not care. It honest depends on the person but it's still very dangerous. It's would be better to be safe then sorry.
@randomfools808
6 жыл бұрын
The first season was brought up by multiple teens who committed suicide and their parents said they felt influenced by it. Netflix almost got sued and a lot of experts came out against it.
@TickingClocks
6 жыл бұрын
anitabelikov Here's a cookie. Other suicidal people feel differently.
@nateds7326
4 жыл бұрын
You know, my general thoughts with season 1 was that it had good intentions at heart but botched the execution. And from season 2 onward I started to question if the first part of that statement was even true.
@caz176
6 жыл бұрын
“ I ain't Matpat, my theories do come true.” but that’s just a theory, a FILM THEORY!!
@althealee9375
5 жыл бұрын
I know this is completely irrelevant but the fact that you refer to everyone as sir or ma'am is great fro some reason. I like it
@Duchess-yv8gt
5 жыл бұрын
I am contented with what you said and how you said it. With respect for the people who may have gone through similar situations but not excusing the many manipulations of Hannah's character.
@turquoisesnowflake4613
5 жыл бұрын
My school lost two students in the same year to suicide. Y'all need to do yourself a favore and stop turning our daily problems into your entertainment. I'm a human being with thoughts and emotions.
@user-es1vk1qk2c
6 жыл бұрын
Honestly one of the best shows out there. Very serious, very great
@hanhantap
6 жыл бұрын
As someone who has been a self harmer, has struggled with depression and anxiety since elementary school, and was suicidal for a very time, the first season was offensively bad. It's not for people who struggle with being suicidal or mental illness, but for those who are watching because they need a reason to be nice to other people. The writers and producers ignored every single warning from professionals in youth mental health programs and still showed graphic scenes of sexual assault and suicide. Season 2 was worse!!! Thank you for this video. You hit all the right points.
@_b_e_a_n_s_
6 жыл бұрын
They tried, but nahhh Especially with that broom scene. God damn I thought they were trying to imitate the Handmaid’s Tale
@mrandersen6872
6 жыл бұрын
and now theres a season 3.
@leavingwarren5122
6 жыл бұрын
I'd love for you to do a video about how art has censorship and how that effects media. Great video! Keep it up!
@birdword111
6 жыл бұрын
What I found interesting about the scene with the counselor from season 1 was that Hannah does have a right to be upset about the interactions with the counselor, but not for the reason she says. He mistook her need for emotional support as a need for him to do something about it. Now, I have 80+ hours of trainings in topics like this from experts, as well as two degrees, and a master's and license in counseling coming in the near future. So I know that he should have been trained to understand that fundamental difference. People put Jess through Hell to keep her quiet and the fact that people were more likely to believe Bryce and he had people to get him off the hook. Survivors of rape know to expect this type of thing to some extent, if not from supporters of the perpetrator, from the perpetrator themselves. They may even go in knowing that nothing will happen to the perpetrator. Plus, most rape is done by people one already knows that they are in an intimate relationship with (think: domestic violence/partner violence) and they have trouble leaving in the first place. So they decide the costs of telling who did it outweigh the benefits. That doesn't mean they won't still feel emotional pain though, which is why providing that emotional support is necessary. In an ideal world, things would be handled well should anything be done, but honestly that doesn't always happen. AND THAT IS WHY PORTER SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THE DIFFERENCE. I can understand that Hannah is so young and hasn't had much experience with this before it happened to her, so maybe she wouldn't be able to articulate it. That's not the weird part. The weird part is that she says Porter didn't come and get her when he did get up and catch her as she was leaving the room. He didn't do that in the best way, but I mean that qualifies. I feel like the show could have addressed that better, but that goes for a lot of things.
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