**Sam reviews a crummy model** The Evil Scrapman: "I'm HUNGRY!!"
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Ooh there’s an idea ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@thehobbyistden3720
3 жыл бұрын
Could be a new show idea. "SAM's Loco Improvements"
@gregmacdonald927
3 жыл бұрын
Send it back Sam! I thought that three star for performance was EXTREMELY generous.
@SuperRobotStudios
3 жыл бұрын
You definitely should send it back: you’ve threatened to do so several times before with the Heljan 1361, the Beatie Well Tank, (I can’t remember if you did with the Bachmann 9F), so I think you should follow through this time and send a clear message to the manufacturers that this isn’t acceptable. They’re killing the hobby at this rate.
@SkipseyTrains
3 жыл бұрын
The surviving prototype (24 CALBOURNE) regularly operates a five bogie carriage train (only limited by the platform length because the carriages don't have corridor connections).
@gkjsooley
3 жыл бұрын
"Pants puller" - the 12 year old in me is giggling like an idiot. You were far too generous with the performance stars.
@truefilm6991
2 жыл бұрын
What intrigues me always about British steamers is, how elegant and smooth they look. German and US steamers (the latter as far as I know rarely even had inside cylinders) for example usually have a large part of their piping and valve gear, etc. visible on the outside, which is a huge challenge for manufacturers and modelers of course. Not sure if the "hidden" parts makes/made maintenace more difficult. I guess a lot of elegant solitions were found. Always great watching your reviews. Most buyers of railroad models nowadays demand quality representations of the originals (prototype), not toys.
@ReggieArford
Ай бұрын
Having the parts & plumbing where you can get to it, is a *huge* advantage for maintenance.
@tankmicr00man
3 жыл бұрын
I used to live on the Isle of Wight in the 50s and remember these plucky little fellas working hard on the journey between Cowes and Ventnor. I was looking forward to one of these... Ah well. Thank you so much for your honest review Sam.
@airwolfpete1234
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been watching for so long for almost 3 years I think and now I have bought my first model train set I have loved seeing you channel grow and seeing the changes
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
That’s so awesome! Which one did you get?? :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@redversb2347
3 жыл бұрын
Oh dear. I think you were quite generous Sam considering the cut outs and poor pulling power. Also the play between the driving wheels means the connecting rod doesn't stay horizontal. Way overpriced and I would send it back and buy another 1p. 👍
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
haha yeah - I think I was pretty generous too actually... not impressed! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@perthdave100
3 жыл бұрын
@Kabuki Kitsune don't think would make any difference on DC or DCC, in this case with this loco, there is too many loose gears, for the price Sam paid, you would expect a decent 3 pole motor.
@jeannedarcalterberserker8620
3 жыл бұрын
As much as I love the livery the performance is pretty laughable especially on the express points and the pulling power. Sadly the beautiful livery won't be enough to balance the negatives so I'll pass on this one. Still great review, Sam 👍
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I'd agree with you - can't really recommend this one sadly :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@matbeech7518
3 жыл бұрын
How is it that companies still make unsatisfactory models these days? Surely they'd of learnt by now how to make them work properly. My arm c38 was bad, my bachmann Russian decapod was bad, my hornby flying Scotsman was bad like seriously my 30 yr old rivarossi big boy outdoes them. It's been so annoying I refuse to buy new locos. I work on the basis now that if I'm having to work on it anyway it may as well be cheap and second hand. Enjoying the channel Sam very fair assessments and a service to fellow modelers
@ridleyscurry2480
3 жыл бұрын
Sam, could you do a video where you list some locomotives that are high quality and good for the price that you could recommend to someone who is starting out in the hobby?
@petermahon4641
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent suggestion :-)
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Yep! Check out my video on the best model trains for less than £100 - hopefully this is what you're looking for! Also see my best model trains of 2020 video for more top locos. I'll make another of those vids at the end of this year too Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@T8Hants
3 жыл бұрын
What a disappointment, I’ve waited 60 odd years for a model of my favourite and local loco and it turns out to be a lemon. I have the earlier variant sitting virtually unused in its box waiting for me to finish the layout to run it on. I got that from the I.W. steam railway. I can’t afford ornaments, so there will be no stable-mates until the thing is re-engineered, which won’t happen. Thank you, Sam, as a pensioner I need to spend wisely and carefully. I can get three well run-in 2nd hand other locos for the price and will.
@JBB27907
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe you could try to do a custom model
@sjaakmcd1804
2 жыл бұрын
Hi T8Hants, I spent nearly £170 to buy the EFE I W Steam Railway's model from their shop to support their brilliant work on their preserved railway. It is perfect! it is the best running, looking and finished model that I own. I fitted mine with the Bachman DCC controller chip where the running speed is dialled in and it gradually accellerates up to the set running speed. My Adams 02 is one of the few models I own that the chip functions correctly with. I have nearly 50 locos, a good mix of new and second hand and my EFE Adams 02 is way out in front, it is my only 10/10. The once cheap as chips Hornby Terrier is a 9/10 so something to consider for you. Sam only reviews 1 model and does seem to end up with some real lemons. He has reviewed the Bachmann 1p as perfect, I returned 2 brand new that would not run well, I kept the 3rd as I gave up hoping for a decent one. Good luck.
@nathanbowers6364
2 жыл бұрын
I've got 8 of these, 4 of the EFE island ones awaiting renaming and numbering and the others are an earlier Kernow version of W16 and three mainland ones being converted to island spec with 3D printed parts. All run well, the only lemon I had was returned as the crank axles fell off when moving.
@Deuce_and_a_half
3 жыл бұрын
I watched this video with my headphones on, and as I was watching I was hearing this weird buzzing sound. And at 28:39 I finally realised that it was your 3D printer working in the background! Thank goodness I found that out, I was getting a bit paranoid. I know this isn't exactly sound booth level of professionalism given you film in your loft. But maybe pause the 3D prints while recording? Not to be rude of course I love your content! And now I got a "sneak peek" as it were, given I know a video of something 3D printed is coming up :) Edit: I was also hearing this buzzing while you were initially demonstrating the crawl "out of the box" without running in, and how "quiet" the loco was. And I was perplexed at the strange sound being emited by the loco. 😂
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Haha yeah I’m sorry about that - I try to avoid it if possible, but I’m desperately trying to get some projects finished, and I don’t feel confident leaving them running overnight... doing my best to avoid it though! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@toboldlygosmodelworks1973
3 жыл бұрын
Whole-heartedly agree with your review @Sam'sTrains. I had one of the original Kernow release of the O2, it didn't run, I got a replacement - but slated it on a certain railway forum and got a tirade of abuse for it - from the DJM fan club (karma got them when DJM went bust with all their money for pre-orders).
@gerrard1144
3 жыл бұрын
Those coupling rods look like they can fall of any moment Also, its nice to be back watching your channel again :)
@ThePainTrain765
3 жыл бұрын
36:42 Hornby Class 66 phasing in and out of existence
@nathanbowers6364
3 жыл бұрын
Some errors with W34; It never carried full Malachite green, just the side tanks. When prepared for transfer to the IOW in 1947 Eastleigh works painted most of the engine in something like LSWR green as apparently they'd just used the same paint on a loco going for preservation. Also 34 didn't have the enamel plate on the rear of the bunker, it had "34" painted on instead. It spent the shortest time on the island for an 02 as when sent for overhaul in 1954/55 it's cylinders and frames were deemed beyond economic repair (three branchlines on the island had recently closed so three engines were redundant). It became the first island 02 to be withdrawn and its' wheels reused on other locos.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
That's very interesting Nathan - thanks for sharing this! Quite frankly though, as critical as this is for the price, they're the worst of this model's problems! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@nathanbowers6364
3 жыл бұрын
@@SamsTrains the "complicated pipework" are to do with the Westinghouse braking system. Island locos standardised on air braking.
@christopherstokes9393
3 жыл бұрын
"Extremely F---- Expensive Rail" strikes again, I see... It's beautiful, but for the same price as the Johnson 1P, it's just not as good a buy. (I'd love to buy one, but not at this price!)
@ciaranburke3243
3 жыл бұрын
Great review sam, that thing is junk, the hobby is dying on it's knees at the moment, I've pulled out all my old lima and hornby models over the last couple of weeks and realise looking at my modern stuff, most likely it won't be running in twenty or thirty years time 😢
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Ciaran - yeah junk works! You're right - I often wonder how long modern locos will keep running for! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@survivingworldsteam
3 жыл бұрын
I recently restored two vintage Tyco locomotives that have been sitting in a hot attic probably since the 1960s. They were easy to restore, and smooth runners. In comparison, someone gave me a Bachmann split frame 0-6-0, and the plastic spacers between the hubs split the first time I applied power to it! And I would restore a hundred Tycos before one of these split frame Bachmann's, like you said, the detail is there, but they are poor runners and it is not if but when will the plastic spacers between the hubs fail. They are not easy to repair with the limited space between the frames, and Bachmann SHOULD stock spacers for all of these given how often they fail, but they don't.
@christopherpearson4489
3 жыл бұрын
i enjoy watching your videos. i have been "playing with trains" for well over forty years and still think the old models take some beating you can service them. modify and detail them as you wish and they don"t break like the modern ones.some of mine are triang (made in england) and they are still going strong.I dont think the models of today will last as long
@blueridgebonsai9155
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, you just saved me £150! After the fiasco of the DJM designed GWR 1363 I am not a bit surprised at your results. Mine still sounds like a coffee grinder after being run in almost a year! I really would have been torqued had I bought this one. Send yours back and keep up the great reviews.👍
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot my friend - yeah running in doesn't help these mechanisms - I figured that out the hard way!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@adamrushton1740
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve sailed to the Isle of Wight on a school boat trip once but I’m yet to visit the Isle of Wight steam railway.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I’ve been too, but never to the railway either! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@ianbackhouse6799
3 жыл бұрын
As a volunteer on the IOWSR I’m biased, but you must visit. They have the best collection ever of restored coaching stock, with the oldest dating back to 1864. It’s a preservation gem!
@physiocrat7143
3 жыл бұрын
The cylinder on top of the tank is reservoir for the compressed air for the Westinghouse brake system. The object next to the smoke box is the Westinghouse air brake compressor. I guess these were fitted because the carriages came from the London Brighton and South Coast Railway which used the Westinghouse compressed air braking system.
@radoslawsocha4955
3 жыл бұрын
I was considering that loco. Not anymore. Thanks Sam! By the way - the sound of your 3D printer in the background is a bit annoying (it's probably just me as I used to have the same printer).
@ianmarsh9268
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve got one of these, and the detailing on it is far better by the Westinghouse pump, where yours has assembly issues, and on the boiler bands (evenly applied). I have two of the earlier Kernow releases, and these came with far better paperwork - actual information on how to remove the body (still tricky because of the pipe work), plus exploded parts diagrams. They’ll pull enough coaches for an Isle of Wight layout - and how many have room on a layout for station platforms that can take more than five coaches? Could it be better? Yes. But if you don’t have the skill to turn out an O2 kit to the same standard of painting and lining, then it’s currently the only option and worth the price. I’m less disappointed with the O2 than I was with Rails of Sheffield’s badly made and orange-peel finished IW Terrier.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting Ian - glad to hear they are capable of assembling them properly then, even if their quality control is poor! Wonder why they've downgraded the paperwork then? Some more detailed instructions would really have helped me with mine... Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@ianmarsh9268
3 жыл бұрын
@@SamsTrains I've sent you the Kernow documents and some other bits via WeTransfer to your Outlook address, for your reference
@PebProductions46
3 жыл бұрын
This review really interested me. I got mine today, and the performance was way better! All I have is a circle of Radius 2 track, and it handled it with no problem even right out of the box. I haven't tried it with a load yet, but I was honestly very impressed with the performance on this one. It's a real shame that you did not have the same experience.
@PebProductions46
3 жыл бұрын
In general, I must say that I know I got a rather sour deal on it in terms of quality and mechanism, but I figured that would be the case and I bought it anyway. I think it looks lovely, and it runs pretty well for me. If I have to retire it to a display case after a couple of years, I will. I'm happy with it for now.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating! It seems some examples do run well - I've seen that said on some forums... and equally, there are tonnes of stories about these running badly too! I think lots of people know full well what these are like... but they're eye candy aren't they? ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@flickrscreen
2 жыл бұрын
@@SamsTrains Hi Sam, Did you return this one? I wonder if manufacturers grade their locos, and send 2nd/3rd grade examples to the cheaper online resellers.
@terrier11newport
5 ай бұрын
I finally got one on Saturday at ally pally and it runs beautifully 😀
@raconbacon5649
3 жыл бұрын
Ah, i just brought one of these....havent gotten it going yet as im working on the layout rn. But now im dreading doing so
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Ahh don't worry - you may well enjoy it, and if you don't, you're entitled to return it for a full refund... and if it's faulty (doesn't run right) they should cover the postage costs too! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@raconbacon5649
3 жыл бұрын
@@SamsTrains ok, thats good. Thanks for that. Fingers crossed tho
@100SteveB
2 жыл бұрын
I am not a railway modeller, but having a life long interest in the history of the old railways on the Isle of Wight, I have to say I love this model. I am even tempted to buy one just for display purposes. Lovely model of a wonderful little engine.
@SheffieldNo14Productions
3 жыл бұрын
I see this video and I cannot help but be reminded of Lily from WildNorWester. This is her basis after all! Shame the model’s a lemon. (Also hey again Sam, it’s been a while! Thanks for the video Sam!)
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Ooh interesting - will have to look that up! Yeah - definitely a lemon overall! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@edwardvincentbriones5062
2 жыл бұрын
I have to watch your SR running session video 6 months ago (from when this comment posted) to remind me that you’ve asked the manufacturers to make more SR locos.
@bentullett6068
3 жыл бұрын
It's a ok looking model, but overpriced for a old Dave Jones Models locomotive. Bachmann pricing strikes once again on old models
@a.r.productions
3 жыл бұрын
Goodness me the amount of slack in the coupling rods is downright cringy when it crawls. Great review Sam, I love how you shaded this loco with another model by Bachmann :D
@RobA500
3 жыл бұрын
Good review, comparing to the Bachmann model for the same price validates your concern. Yes it does look nice but the play in those gears is atrocious and accounts for some of the running problems they really should have left the DJM mechanisms dead and buried. I did like the look of it but not now.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Rob - yes it was fortunate that Bachmann had just released another model of the same price... the feelings on DJM mechanisms were quite unanimous... so I'm confused as to why they thought this was okay? Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@christopherdrummond1830
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam i have just watch your review, and noticed a possible cause of cutting out. is it binding of the drive offsets are not set properly however the slop in the rods can cause this maybe. Kind regards Chris
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
It could be Chris - doesn’t seem to be entirely pickup related - but with such a poor mechanism with so much slop, it’s not a surprise! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@leroyholm9075
3 жыл бұрын
Very Comprehensive review and the loco looks very good. I have a copy of 'The Isle of Wight Railway' from the Oakwood Press. Maycock & Silisbury. If any one is interested in the IOW railway history I can thoroughly recommend it as probably the best work on this unique system
@MrShepardDog
3 жыл бұрын
For about the same $, you can buy the Hornby R3544 B12 -- All metal construction, metal body, everything. Beautifully detailed, great internal parts, Sam gave it 8.84 rating.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly - a far, far better model!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@JamesSmith-mv9fp
2 жыл бұрын
The "Complex pipework" means this model is a "Push Pull" version. The pipework being connected to an air compressor "Donkey Pump" (the little double barrel looking item), which provided compressed air for the driving controls when the engine was pushing a couple of "Auto" fitted coaches. DJ Models originally launched this loco model with a matching "Gate Set" two coach push pull set. The Southern Railway/Region used 6 lamp brackets NOT 4, like other Railways/Regions. EFE/Bachmann have missed the two extra SR lamp brackets one either side of the smokebox door, and two rear bunker lamp brackets, half way up the bunker rear, one each side. The Southern did NOT use a Class code for its trains but a destination/route code, which required more positions, hence 6 lamp brackets should be provided on ALL Southern models. My DJ Models version has the correct 6 lamp brackets. Note the jittery, stopping problem of the model as seen in the programme appears to be at a point frog, with a very short straight next to the frog. The problem is therefore most likely, electrical resistance through all these rail joins. As the track is also temporarily laid on carpet, I would suggest the problem is track not the engine !!!! Nice review, but so glad I bought a DJ models version, which has the missing lamp brackets, a slightly different and better in my opinion chassis, and mine seems to run far more smoothly. It was also a little better priced that what you have paid. I guess as the manufacturing plant has changed within Hong Kong but obviously the tooling has been moved to its new owners plant, this may account for the "issues" !
@SamsTrains
2 жыл бұрын
Duly noted James - thanks a lot for the extra info! Not sure how the track can be to blame... I have a collection of almost 500 engines... the locos I consider to be quality don't behave that way on my layout! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@terryflynn8830
3 жыл бұрын
The pickup problem can be solved by cleaning out the grease in the bearings using INOX MX3. Also apply it to any surfaces required to conduct on the trailing bogie. It wont solve the probable under powered motor and excessive slop in the side rods and gears..
@johnd8892
3 жыл бұрын
Sam, during the test I thought this locomotive or your controller were making some very weird noises for models. Others may have noticed too. However I later realised it was likely your 3D printer. Would it be better to avoid printing during filming?
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Apologies for that John! I do try to avoid it where possible, but I'm working on a number of other projects that desperately need finishing, and I'm not comfortable leaving anything running overnight - so sometimes it's necessary! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@seeleymainline8293
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Sam loved the video as always. How do you keep finding these wonderful green locos all I can ever find are the boring black locos 😂
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Haha thanks mate! Yeah anything that looks nice does get snapped up pretty quickly sadly!
@TiasVsEverything
Жыл бұрын
So glad I saw this video before I bought one. I really wanted an O2, but I guess I’ll wait for another release because I sure as heck won’t hunt this one.
@zerosen1972
2 жыл бұрын
I've noticed the pulling capacity problem with my O2 as well. (Bought a Mainland Version) and I was a bit disappointed by it. Its a sad day when my Dapol B4 can haul more wagons than a 2P Passenger Tank can. I just pair it up with my BR Crimson Gate Stock and I don't have any problems with it. That's mostly what they were doing on the mainland in BR times anyway - push pull suburban services around Exmouth, Portsmouth and Eastleigh.
@Teesbrough
3 жыл бұрын
As the full horror emerged I kept thinking of the poor parents who might have bought one as a Christmas present for their child only to find it won’t run. Christmas ruined. Now I’m eager to see your Hornby class 66 review, especially as mine seems to work fine.
@CanadianRRProductions
3 жыл бұрын
Well hello again sam! Very good review as always! Keep it up and congrats on 100k mate!
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your kind support my friend! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@stephenrussell-clark8329
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this Sam. Saved me from spending some hard earned cash. As soon as I realised from your previous reply that it was the same mechanism I thought Oh Dear! Obviously there are some good runners out there but the majority should be melted down and recycled asap! Great pity, such a lovely looking little loco with possibly the worst designed mechanism in model railway history!
@johndavies9270
3 жыл бұрын
I have one of the original Kernow Models issue. 0-4-4 tank locos are notoriously difficult to get running well in OO, due to the wheel arrangement, which usually throws all the motor's weight onto the trailing bogie. ( I used to have a pair of Wills' cast metal O2's, which displayed the resulting balance problems. Like the real thing, the chassis would eventually crack across the third axle wheel arch! ) Sadly, yes, this model is slippery footed - if only it had a metal boiler and smokebox, to put some weight on the drivers. Mine can happily haul two of the Hornby LSWR bogie coaches, or the pair of Kernow (now EFE) 'gate set' coaches on my layout, but can struggle with four of the new Hornby 6 wheelers. The bogie is a bit track sensitive, and its vertical play limits what gradient changes it can cope with. So, relatively light duties only. Otherwise I'm happy with mine. Sadly Sam, your comments and those of your other correspondents generally reflect my own feelings about modern day rtr models. OK, the stuff from the 50's and 60's was basic - sometimes crude, but it still works. I fear very few of the modern models will survive anything like as long. The rtr manufacturers, in my honest opinion, are destroying the hobby.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks John - yes that's true - but it's all in the design! Take the Bachmann Johnson 1P - same wheel configuration, but far more capable with a load Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@Pearson4472
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam, try cleaning the wheels with a track rubber it worked a treat on mine . I noticed the wheels were quite rough so I gave it a go. Runs really well now
@samuraifool912
3 жыл бұрын
Definitely Send it back. And just buy something that will make it around your Layout. Your Layout isn't perfect, sure but come on Guys. Not everyone has a Perfect layout, of which I am one..! Great Review as Always. Thanks for your Efforts in producing it. ! 😎
@beckyjohnson6798
3 жыл бұрын
This looks kinda like a LB&SCR D3 a D3 No. 2365 or 2356 was hit by a fighter or bomber plane, the D3s boiler was very damaged and the planes polit did NOT plan for what happened next... Steam & medal went in the air RIGHT INTO the plane, the plane crashed down landing in a field the polit was killed. Train Of Thought has a vid about what happened so go watch that for more information about what happened.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Wow - that sounds crazy dramatic - shocking!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@beckyjohnson6798
3 жыл бұрын
No problem.
@johndavies9270
3 жыл бұрын
The D3's were built for the same sort of duties as the O2, M7 and similar engines on other roads. Oddly the GWR never went in for 0-4-4's, possibly due to some nasty experiences with some broad gauge examples. The Board of Trade didn't like them either, especially after a very nasty crash involving an M7 - leading coupled wheels and fast running were considered a potential for serious trouble.
@paulwilson3083
3 жыл бұрын
Another as it is no holds barred video Sam, if EFE rail had have given this loco to you to review before releasing it onto the market they could have saved themselves a lot of embarrassment ( provided they rectified your findings ) and they would now be enjoying good sales from this product, just one negative point from this review and that's your generosity of 3 stars for performance, but anther GREAT review Sam, and you've just saved me some money, thank you.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul - though the mechanical problems with this were fairly well reported and discussed on the DJM release... so there’s no way Kernow were unaware of them. It must have been a conscious decision not to change anything - quite disappointing! Cheers, Sam :)
@steamgauge2217
2 жыл бұрын
7:47 Foam: “Freedom!”🎉
@alsmith5604
3 жыл бұрын
Great video, but not sure I agree with you about the lining. If you look at Calbourne which has just been outshopped in exactly this livery, you'll see that the yellow really does form a very thin line along the edge of the black painted boiler bands.
@DADeathinacan
3 жыл бұрын
The foam falling off at 7:46 really rather worried me for a bit, took me a few rewatches of that moment to realize that it was foam and not something else.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
haha yeah I did wonder what that was... luckily it was just that foam! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@domh5385
3 жыл бұрын
I’m an American who’s been binge watching your channel, decided I’m gonna bet back into model railroading and I really like the British trains, I’ve read a few conflicting things, can OO and HO run on the same track?
@18EStudios
3 жыл бұрын
Yes they can run on the same track. OO is slightly bigger than HO tho which looks a bit jarring in my opinion.
@muir8009
3 жыл бұрын
OO and HO run on the same gauge track (16.5mm) but be aware the difference of European (NEM) and US (NMRA) wheel standards, which unfortunately Sam continuously neglects to note.
@AllensTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam. You might use this loco for testing out the Gaugemaster Electronic track cleaner! OIl on the axles you know. I have got a DJM Adams tank and it's okay. However, I ran it in for 30 minutes in each direction before performing any slow speed tests. It has a plastic gear wheel inside which is difficult to replace if you make the mistake of dismantling this model and damaging the cogs. If you are modelling the IOW pre-War, you have more of a choice of locos, post-War, they were all O2 tanks in black! Thanks for uploading another entry to be rostered on as Sam's Trains NWTM special!
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
That's an interesting idea Allen - but you're right - it's not the kind of loco you can/should dismantle easily... I'd never attempt it! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@SkipseyTrains
3 жыл бұрын
The black and yellow lining on the boiler is correct as the black does outweigh the yellow considerably. The lining on the Hornby model appears blurred in places or is this just the camera?
@leroyholm9075
3 жыл бұрын
Sam: For anyone starting to invest in building a layout your channel is indispensable. One of the key elements is deciding what period and region to build and your reviews could save an enthusiast from making some serious and costly mistakes. Well Done!
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Leroy! Really glad these are handy for you, Cheers, Sam :)
@leroyholm9075
3 жыл бұрын
Built at the Nine Elms Works the 60 locos were designed for London Metropolitan lines. When moved to IOW these plucky little puffers were expected to pull passenger trains of up to six bogie coaches on all of the Island lines and this included the 1-in-70 Apse bank from Shanklin to Wroxall. Shame about the models performance!
@phil36310
3 жыл бұрын
Indeed Sam, you showed the evidence and your ratings are honest. Way to expensive for a very poor runner. Not on my wish list. Thanks for reviewing. Cheers.
@kellyashfordtrains2642
3 жыл бұрын
No way would I buy that model. But, on a happier note, I'm typing with slightly sooty fingers. I've had my first steam train ride on the Llangollen Railway today, behind 3802. In between the two rides to Carrog and back, I decided to go up close and personal to my steamy sister. "I haven't done this for ages," I observed to the Driver who knows me too well. "Can I have a moment in the cab?" The gent smiled. "If you want to, yes," he happily answered. He climbed down and then I hauled myself in. I had a magical few minutes on the footplate, warming my hands in front of the fire and staying out of the Fireman's path. I'm going to write this story properly. Hope it puts a smile on your face.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
That's understandable Kelly - and what a great day that must have been - sorry to hear you got messy though! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@bollinvalleyrailway
3 жыл бұрын
Just to add you can hear your 3d printer in the background which i don't find an issue but depending on your view on background noises on your videos, you might.
@Hiawatha_Productions
3 жыл бұрын
Every bad engine after being reviewed by Sam, “I can’t help it, it’s just the way how I was built”, the Tango after having a swim, “SAM NEEDS TO DIE”
@nathanchan4653
3 жыл бұрын
Most model railway companies: Use proper wiper copper pickups EFE Rail: Hehe nope, split chassis Most model railway companies: But split chassis are out of date and redundant EFE Rail: But “cheaper” to make
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Though I don't think they are cheaper to make - at least not much! It's just dumb design! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@virginiaorganbuilder
3 жыл бұрын
I picture the Bachmann executives watching your reviews and shaking in their boots.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
haha yeah! My findings should have been obvious to any manufacturer though - if they want to put garbage into the world, they should be prepared for it to be reviewed as such ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@johndavies9270
3 жыл бұрын
Somehow I doubt they care a tinker's tuppeny damn!
@iancooper4797
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam. You have me worried now. I have 2 0298 WT locos to run in and a couple of 02's as well to run in. The 02's are DJ Models that I bought a couple of years ago. Wish me luck. Bye from Ian.
@DespicableJax90210
3 жыл бұрын
What is efe rail going to do when plastic isn't used anymore?
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
They'll introduce the world's first £400 all-paper locomotive! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@bentullett6068
3 жыл бұрын
The EFE models are just older tooled models by various other manufacturers that Bachmann have either purchased the tooling off or using other manufacturers locomotives under license as there are some Heljan diesel locomotives in the EFE range. Issue is the loco's like this one and the Beattie well tank were ex Dave Jones Models and all Bachmann have done is just build them to the same specification and add new digital decoder compatibility.
@derailed-productions
3 жыл бұрын
lol the piece of foam that falls off the bunker at 7:47
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
haha yeah - thankfully that was nothing more than foam! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@iancooper4797
2 жыл бұрын
It's too late for me to send 02's and 0298's back. I did send an 0298 back to Hattons because it was very slow to get up to speed but when stopped it stopped instantly. I sent it back because I suspected that the DCC wasn't removed correctly. It came back working correctly, strange stuff DCC.
@davidtucker8724
3 жыл бұрын
I bought W31 chale and mine isn't too bad. Running plate a little warped tho but not too badly. Love the detail on the Westinghouse air pump
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Blimey - that's bad enough though - a real pet hate of mine! Does it at least run okay? Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@fernsnyder7072
3 жыл бұрын
Triang developed a successful chassis which was cheap and cheerful and variations successfully powered a whole range of locos for decades. One thing with Triang/Hornby was that no matter what the loco looked like you at least knew that it would run. Why don't these manufacturers just stick to a successful formula when producing their locos? I don't understand.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly... they were producing more reliable and serviceable locos than this in the 50s... what gives!? I never understood that about DJM - he ignored the tried and tested mechanisms in his insistence to be different from the rest... and now Kernow are continuing the legacy that should have died with his company! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@tobys_transport_videos
3 жыл бұрын
Nice model, but if it doesn't pull, it's no use to me! My layout has a long 1 in 50 grade with a short burst of 1 in 40 as you come out of a 3rd radius curve. Do you have a video review of the previous run (not sure of the manufacturer) O2 tank? I have IoW 24 Calbourne in black, soon to be DCC fitted.
@michaeldavies9600
3 жыл бұрын
My entire fleet of 5 Lima Loco's 3 x class 33s and 2 x class 37s cost me £20 less than this little engine :) and they all work lovely lol
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Haha exactly - it’s crazy isn’t it? Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@michaelmckinnon7314
2 жыл бұрын
The paintjob is correct for the model including the glazed metal coupling rods which dulled the appearance of the metal, giving them the appearance of plastic (I've met several drivers of the Adams O2). Coreless motors are junk anyway and I've never liked them courtesy of their extremely short maintenance cycles and lifespan. If a locomotive had the maintenance cycle or lifespan of a coreless motor, it may have been tested but it's next step would have been the scrapyard because it's too maintenance intensive and too short of a lifespan.
@TF2004-official
3 жыл бұрын
Personally I don't mind the plastic but I think the price should reflect that
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
I agree 100%... cheaply made plastic models are fine, and probably the future for the hobby.... but they just *can't* be priced equivalently to higher quality models! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@Nobel200
3 жыл бұрын
Another non straight running plate, check out at 16.34. Sam, please use the straight edge test as standard procedure. The flimsiness of the running plate can be clearly seen when you try to dismantle the model from 19.52 onwards. The mechanism sloppiness and pickup system is also unacceptable. I will stick to my South East Finecast model.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Oh that's interesting - I didn't even notice that! Maybe you're right - I think I should do that as standard! I mostly do actually, but didn't this time for some reason.... but yes, it is flimsy as it's thin plastic Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@Proj2008
3 жыл бұрын
nice product review sam hope your doing well!
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much! I hope you are too! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@peterkneissl3358
3 жыл бұрын
If they omitted the decoder socket and put a slug of lead in the boiler the loco would be far improved. I've had problems with American bachman loco wheels. Some seem to have something with the blackening.
@brianartillery
3 жыл бұрын
E.F.E.: Extremely F*****g Expensive. I need say no more.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
haha exactly - my favourite! xD Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@brianartillery
3 жыл бұрын
@@SamsTrains - I used to like their 1/76 buses, but they just got ridiculously expensive, especially if you wanted one in the livery of a smaller bus company.
@Alpha-oo8
2 жыл бұрын
Say Sam, which DJM/ Ex DJM model you’ve looked at would you consider to be the best?
@sirhilsam
3 жыл бұрын
A bit 'iffy' for the price...but a handsome looking loco. Please review the Hornby iTraveller 6000. I prefer a physical dial but I'd love to see a phone controlled train.
@paulc9588
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe it is an Addams Family 02?
@PebProductions46
3 жыл бұрын
Instead of Gomez blowing up model trains, the trains are blowing up our hard earned cash.
@paulc9588
3 жыл бұрын
@@PebProductions46 True. Sometimes I think collecting paperweights would be cheaper and more satisfying. That is all some of these overpriced modern locomotives are good for.
@spookyf1
3 жыл бұрын
Not condensing gear, it’s for air brakes. The rear plate is the number plate not works plate and more than a couple were over here.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Duly noted! Thanks very much for the info! :) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@paulisnotonfire
3 жыл бұрын
Bought one of these from Model Rail in the Southern Black at the start of the year. Nice to see they've started putting the model in an ice block as opposed to just sitting in a foam cut out around the locomotive. It's alright model, nothing to shout about. Though the rear pony truck derails it when running backwards over express points due to the small black bits coming down off the back of the bunker (are they brake parts?) touching either wheel of the back axle.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Interesting about the pony truck - mine seemed quite stable during tests... but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there was inconsistency there too! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@johndavies9270
3 жыл бұрын
Are they guard irons? Several models, such as the Bachmann Baby Prairie, have guard irons which come down far too close to the railhead (scale dimensions) and can snag in pointwork etc. If so, cut them short.
@paulisnotonfire
3 жыл бұрын
@@johndavies9270 I'm not sure what they are. They're the bits that look like this | | / \ It's less that they snag on the points and more that they stop the rear pony from turning freely, causing it to derail.
@petes6814
3 жыл бұрын
I bought mine last week, (BR Green Chale) Looks a great loco but very disappointed with the plastic coupling rods. Seems to run quite well after the 6 pin decoder was fitted (very easy). Can anyone tell me what the larger mystery parts are in the detail pack (the 3 largest bits of plastic). There are no instructions as to where all the bits fit, although I could probably work out where the brake pipes go! Later Edit:- Had it a few days now, and I like it. Once I got over the fact the coupling rods were plastic, they actually don't look too bad. Runs well, no stuttering or jerkiness, and does pull a prototypical load. So all in all, better than reviewed here. Just one mystery piece in the accessory pack (the largest plastic bit if anyone knows?
@daylightman8459
3 жыл бұрын
That’s what we get for trusting EFE!
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Haha yeah - 2/2 dodgy purchases as far as I’m concerned! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@bentullett6068
3 жыл бұрын
EFE is just Bachmann but in a different suit. The Bachmann bean counters decide the prices and they are usual high.
@dennisnorton831
2 жыл бұрын
Just bought one of these £105 new. I think you are wrong about the lining Sam as on Southern loco's with this livery the black is much more pronounced than the very thin yellow lines. Also my loco runs superbly on my quite poor track with a very slow even crawl. I think you must have bought a lemon, but I do enjoy your reviews.
@lapiswake6583
3 жыл бұрын
I'm considering getting O2 number 31 Chale in BRITISH RAILWAYS malachite green, which would match my hornby A1X number 13 Carisbrooke in the same livery. But I don't think I'll be paying more than £100 for an o2, so I'll probably go for the hornby A1X number 32646 in BRITISH RAILWAYS black with sunshine lettering in the meantime. Does seem quite a bit better than the well tank, although the pickups seem to be just as useless. The rods seem very loose, loads of slack in the driving wheels. Glad it's much less noisy than the well tank, austerity tank, and 1361s. Surprised you gave it 3 stars on performance.
@rottenroads1982
3 жыл бұрын
Mr.Sam, You need your own class 28 diesel locomotive ( Metropolitan Vickers diesel electric type 2) and you also need your own narrow gauge model railway to go with your OO gauge, you need a OO9 scale model railway to be the narrow gauge companion to your OO gauge model railway. I recommend the first locomotive you should get for the OO9 scale railway is a Lynton & Barnstable Manning Wardle locomotive.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
I do actually - they look fascinating for sure... maybe I'll design one for myself! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@rottenroads1982
3 жыл бұрын
Your welcome. 😉 Also I really like narrow gauge railways.
@angusstewart6213
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with your findings Sam, very disappointing. At least providing some robust feedback to the manufacturer is called for, if not sending it back. I've been sorely let down with quality issues in two models (from Oxford trains and Locomotion Models) that were "retirement" presents for myself, and not cheap. I'm feeling a bit nervous as I have pre-ordered the EFE Bachmann 1930s Tube stock set and am awaiting delivery with some trepidation now as it cost a packet to send over to Oz. Maybe I'll do an unboxing on that. Thanks again for a splendid, informative and entertaining video. Cheers, Angus.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
That's a great shame Angus - I'm sorry to hear that - be sure to return anything you aren't happy with - you're entitled to replacements at the very least of course! Good luck with the tube stock - you're a braver man than I am!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@barleyarrish
3 жыл бұрын
You have been far to generous, as for the detail, to quote Roddy Piper (They Live) "like putting lipstick on a pig". With the huge interest in pre grouping 'southern' up to the Big four. This is a slap in the face to modeler's. Good review Sam.
@jameswells6003
3 жыл бұрын
You could always build your own South Eastern Finecast produce a decent kit.
@barleyarrish
3 жыл бұрын
@@jameswells6003 I'm in the middle of constructing a large loft layout (third of the track down , I have so many kits at bits of this an that to attend to, where am I going to get the time? I want ready to run models fit for purpose, but you do have a very very valid point! said the little red hen...
@bulleidboy1
3 жыл бұрын
Before testing "slow running" perhaps an hour or so running in - in both directions might help.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely - full running in was completed before conclusions were drawn, as detailed in the video! Cheers, Sam :)
@TomPrickVixen
3 жыл бұрын
26:20 Funny! As I was watching this review I was playing a WW2 game as British, and I was just kept saying the same words. Its sad because I usually like playing the British, but in all 3 theaters (land, air, and water) well... they like the French, or even....!
@pettra1
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam. It's a dud. A real dud. I would have awarded only two stars for both performance and mechanism. Watching the loco creak it's way round your layout was a total embarrassment. I will avoid like the plague. Best, Pete.
@jeffreymcneal1920
3 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@aplane9625
Жыл бұрын
I think that’s lily the wellsworth and suddery engine
@paulweston8755
3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful review as always, well done Sam
@paulweston8755
3 жыл бұрын
Such a shame model is not up to scratch as I was born and bred on the I.O.W so was hoping to add a something that would reflect this connection
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Paul! Yes it's a real pity that they didn't spend the money to make the model actually worth £130! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@sparkshot
3 жыл бұрын
I think if it ran well then £130 would be ok. The decoration quibbles don't seem the end of the world, generally it looks nice. Plastic coupling rod is nasty though. If it ran well maybe £100-120 would be better for what it is.
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah maybe that’s fair - I’d want much higher quality too though, with a die cast running plate at the very least! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@robinforrest7680
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been away from railway modelling a few years now. I never cease to be amazed at the prices manufacturers are asking for new models. Sure the liveries and quality of detailing are far beyond my collection of 1960’s to 1980’s locos but there’s no comparison in construction and running quality.
@miscellaneous.7127
3 жыл бұрын
1:19 I thought you'd hate it as its the opposite of your favourite? Great video regardless! I'm still hooked!
@MSR_Studios
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Sam, just wondering if you ever made areview of the hornby class 66. I cant seem to find it and I am curious why it got such a low score
@PebProductions46
3 жыл бұрын
I imagine that the Class 66 video was recorded before this one but will be released aftet it. This sort of thing has happened before, and since the O2 is a new release he probably wanted to review it while people were still talking about it.
@callumbruce8607
3 жыл бұрын
Sam did a review of the Lima class 66 (one of lima's last models), and hornby now use the same tooling (but different mechanism, liveries, build etc). Sam's score for this loco reflects when it was released under "Lima", not the release under "hornby" that is FAR superior! I have both the old Lima one and the newer hornby one and while the Lima one is alright, the hornby one is really nice!
@SamsTrains
3 жыл бұрын
It's coming soon - and no, it's not very good ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
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