Check out the full conversation here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaGoq... Jewish Mysticism, Erich Neumann, and the Nature of God In this interview we discuss Jewish mysticism and various elements of the Kabbalah, the intersection between psychology and Kabbalah, various symbols which are related to the birth of consciousness and symbolically represent this natural psychological process.
@fluffyribbit1881
Жыл бұрын
The video isn't available anymore! :(
@rhb30001
Ай бұрын
Why isnt this full interview available anymore??
@ahobimo732
Жыл бұрын
This was profound and beautiful. I love your work Zevi. While listening, a thought came to me: every moment of our existence is a statement that God is making to Himself. Our experiences are utterances in the "Great Conversation of Being". Although thinking about experience in this way doesn't negate suffering, it does give it meaning and purpose.
@SeekersofUnity
Жыл бұрын
Thank you friend.
@neliodas2158
9 ай бұрын
What meaning and purpose if I may ask ?
@ahobimo732
9 ай бұрын
That's a difficult question to answer briefly of course, but my short (and thus incomplete) answer is something like... Life involves joy and suffering. Joy doesn't require an explanation. It's justification is self-evident. It's when we suffer that we question the meaning of our existence. Viewing ~Absolutely Everything~ as one singular, organic whole (i.e., "God") recontextualizes our suffering. Our lives become unique "episodes" in the greater cosmic narrative. I see the universe as a process wherein every event, situation, phenomenon, experience, etc. that is possible becomes actual. When we suffer, we demonstrate that our specific form of suffering is possible. It reveals that the universe includes the possibility for such suffering. Once revealed, this possibility becomes a feature of reality that must be addressed by consciousness. It becomes a problem that must be reckoned with, and that reckoning gives consciousness a reason for being. God is love. And love exists to promote joy, and to end suffering. Once these two purposes have been fully accomplished, the process that we call the universe will be completed. Our suffering is crucial element of the story of reality. Without it, the universe would be incomplete. Or at least, that's how I see things, at this precise moment in my tiny, finite existence.
@deeveevideos
3 ай бұрын
@@ahobimo732 Amazing! that is beautiful how you laid that out and I appreciate it very much. I believe in apokatastasis which is the same idea that all things will be reconciled back to God. and that was Christ mission and he fulfilled it. God bless you!
@mendelslavin8704
4 жыл бұрын
Jung rich and famous
@mjolninja9358
4 жыл бұрын
Mendel Slavin Jung, Wild and Free
@latiocosmos4160
Ай бұрын
jung, handsome and wealthy
@ruthlewis673
3 жыл бұрын
Jung did what Christians do, that is Hammer Judaic thought into a Christian ideal. Job is transformed into Christ died for humanities sin. God trancsendnt remains in heaven and all's right with the world.
@SeekersofUnity
3 жыл бұрын
That’s certainly one way of reading the text.
@ruthlewis673
3 жыл бұрын
Sad, very but true. One can only hope that the future holds out something new.
@outsidersperspective13
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this. Fascinating take on Job's story 🙏 So many oddities in the Bible resolve themselves when read through the lens of mysticism and esotericism.
@SeekersofUnity
4 жыл бұрын
So true. Glad you enjoyed it.
@jaye2491
Жыл бұрын
Answer to Job is one of the most mind-blowing things i have ever read, im currently on another slow read of it in Volume 11 of his works, and the degree that he was able to think was just incredible. To quote Jung near the end of Answer to Job, one of the important lines to help grasp the contents of the book in my opinion is "It is only through the psyche that we can establish that God acts upon us, but we are unable to distinguish whether these actions emanate from God or from the unconscious. We cannot tell whether God and the unconscious are two different entities. Both are border-line concepts for transcendental contents."
@eltrippy3988
11 ай бұрын
Very very important text there
@SamuelJFord
Жыл бұрын
Great book, though very difficult to understand at points if you don't know what he's really talking about. I think the last couple of chapters really helped me grasp what the whole book was getting at. Here's the sort of schema I've got from it: God to Jung is a sort of di-pole made up of the consciousness of man and the unconscious (by which I mean both the unconsciousness of man and the extended unconsiousness of the rest of being). Importantly there are processes that allow unconsciousness to become consciousness - at a universal level this would be evolution, and at a personal level this would be individuation. I think this is important because it shows that consciousness and unconsciousness are on a continuum rather than wholly seperate - we are a way for the universe to know itself. The realisation of the relationship between consciousness and the unconscious (the two poles of God) in Man allows this 'unconsciousness' to be recognised, and for some part of it to enter into consciousness - each of us bring God into existence through our individuation. Okay maybe that's a bit of word salad right there but that's the best I can do hahaha
@miket1734
Жыл бұрын
No hablo inglés pero puedes traducir esto, no es necesario dar con las palabras exactas, así es como uno va aprendiendo a hablar y explicar lo que piensa, siempre con fundamentos obviamente, pero es bueno aprender a expresarse con las palabras correctas ya sea en un escrito o de manera verbal y solo se aprende haciéndolo! Saludos!
@eltrippy3988
11 ай бұрын
Actual that was well said ..thank you
@jacobdillow2375
4 жыл бұрын
For the life of me I don’t understand why you don’t have a ton more subscribers than you do. Really excellent content; thank you!
@SeekersofUnity
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the compliment Jacob! The channel has been growing more and more and I am grateful to everyone who shares it with their friends! 😉 I am passionate about this project and hope many people will find meaning in the message.
@davidelliott9661
2 ай бұрын
The Bible is taken to literal, and it has to be taken metaphorically at times and understood through symbology and this is where Jung shined.
@Magik1369
11 ай бұрын
You show that you neither understand the Book of Job or Jung's in depth interpretation of Job from the psycho-analytic perspective.
@MixedMuscleArts
5 ай бұрын
If God is in the unconscious realm, where would the motivation to desire lived experience come from in the first place? The motivation/desire seems... human like.
@theespjames4114
4 жыл бұрын
The education and refinement of Job or man is in fact the perfecting of God himself! We must understand that in the very beginning there was nothing but God! And “By” God but most importantly “From” God all things were created!
@dallasswoveland4466
3 жыл бұрын
Yep, of God.
@Bildgesmythe
Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Nice to get brain food.
@SeekersofUnity
Жыл бұрын
🙏🏼
@scottkunghadrengsen2604
2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the Sufi notion(probably elsewhere too) that God created people because he loves stories. And Rilke, "Inside human beings is where God learns."
@AntonyCannon
Жыл бұрын
There's a near death experiencer who says she learned just that: Our lives answer dark questions for the whole cosmos.
@jonathanhenkel
Жыл бұрын
This was beautiful, lovely to see it. I love you channel!!! I've read "Answer to Job" and agree, it deserves a second read at least. One thing I thought I read in the book, and maybe this was just something out of my head, but I could have sworn Jung's final flourish as it were was that God, as an act of penance towards Job and mankind in general, realizes he has to incarnate as a human being, as Christ, in order for the entire motion from unconscious to conscious to be realized and consummated, and to experience what it means to be a human being, with weaknesses and death and suffering and loss. Something like that.
@dani9196
3 ай бұрын
Intresting, this exact thought occurred to me during the video. Nice way to put it. Always intriguing to try to grasp an inner dialog with such a great as Carl Jung. It's like a dialectical approach towards these ancient myths. Basically it's Jung observing his own psyche and answering back. Just like the story of Job and God (;
@rkmh9342
2 жыл бұрын
349th to like! Thank you for sharing this conversation. In my experience and those i have had the privilege of peer support, with Schizophrenia recovery self-talk is a critical and perhaps the essential ingredient in finding peace with the voices, delusions, hallucinations and paranoia. Many end up making friends with previously hostile voices and can't imagine a world without their comfort. I remember some 20 years ago, i would fall asleep or wake up hearing them singing or telling me how loved i am. Over the years i have less and less communication with the friends in my head but i have never stopped using self-talk. My favourite scripture is The Qoheleth in large part due to the talking to yourself framework. Much love!
@COR2025
2 жыл бұрын
Hi. I suggest an exploration of Jung's book by Max Derrat on his KZitem channel of same name. It is excellent.
@HolyWisdom93
2 жыл бұрын
I think we need to understand what Sophia is as best as is possible
@eltrippy3988
11 ай бұрын
Umm yes ! Especially if we are going to reference jungs book ..he did such an excellent job giving light to the position The Divine feminine(Wisdom) plays in the Coming of our world today. Literally Without the many manifestations of Sophia/Mary/Lilith/eve Etc … divine Masculine is not intelligent enough on its own only powerful enough in sheer Strength ! But what’s strength without knowing compassion
@HolyWisdom93
11 ай бұрын
@@eltrippy3988 yea Jung said pretty much that Sophia gives intellect and wisdom is the strength of the psyche.
@roselotusmystic
3 жыл бұрын
"G*D' is having a conversation with 'HimHerIt(s)'self 🙏
@deanpappas8388
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for reminding me of Jung's critique which I have not read for years. From all the explanations of consciousness,, the one that makes most sense to me is that it is a learned activity.
The Job trial is between God an Satan. Job seems to be a victim .In reality God is on trial. Than Job proves He has a free choice ,and sticks with it. He is not a toy in a hands of heavenly beings .
@bpsutherland
9 ай бұрын
I happened upon this and really appreciate bot he the speaker's and the interviewer's humility and wonder and awe at these ideas. Also, I appreciate the speaker's honesty as to how these ideas or concepts might currently be staged in his mind as he responds.
@24434sa
4 жыл бұрын
You are special.
@SeekersofUnity
4 жыл бұрын
Oh stap
@BedHead982
Жыл бұрын
Amazing take on it! True insight here
@SeekersofUnity
Жыл бұрын
Thank you friend.
@lukefarren3409
4 жыл бұрын
Very well articulated, thankyou.
@SeekersofUnity
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@DJMICA-bz3qz
4 жыл бұрын
Dude on the right nailed it in the beginning.
@SeekersofUnity
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro
@danielm978
4 жыл бұрын
I would say the opposite, that the Uncounscious, is a reflection of the divine.
@SeekersofUnity
4 жыл бұрын
Mmm, interesting. Elaborate?
@danielm978
4 жыл бұрын
@@SeekersofUnity which one of the guys in the video are you?
@danielm978
4 жыл бұрын
@@SeekersofUnity what it seems to me Jungs is saying, is that Yahwe is uncounscious, unable to recflect upon himself, like counscious man can do. Hence his desire to become man, as he did, incarnate in Christ, according to Jung. What i believe is, that through or own individual suffering as man, we are able to dive down into the Uncounscious, were God resides, and make the Uncounscious, Counscious, through analysis therapy ect, to integrate the shadow, and unite the opposites, and through that individuation process, were experiencing the Self, and through that God can experience himself through us. If we go through it, we can act as a mirror for God, and both God and us will gain insight, and expand on counsciousness. And that is coming from a guy that was not born religious, not going to church, or in any way indoctrinated, Jung which i have studied for the last couple of years, as a layman, has provided me with actual belief in a God, in a way i didnt thought possible. A personal way, my own way.
@SeekersofUnity
4 жыл бұрын
I'm the guy in the blue shirt with the beard
@SeekersofUnity
4 жыл бұрын
I think that's really well said Daniel, thank you. i was aiming to express the same sentiment just from more of a 'non-dualistic' angle. But i really like the way you've expressed it too. Thank you.
@azanyahyisrael101
2 жыл бұрын
How did two of my two favorite KZitemrs make a KZitem video and I didn't know about it? This is crazy 😂😂😂😃😃😃
@SeekersofUnity
2 жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoyed 😘
@williambateman6564
2 жыл бұрын
You need to fix that high pitch dude
@zevilover3591
2 жыл бұрын
What does that actually mean??
@kitmaclean5478
3 жыл бұрын
beautiful
@robertmitchell8630
11 ай бұрын
Awesome 👍 thanks
@eugeneseacabin3435
4 жыл бұрын
What role does Satan and Gods bet with Satan regarding Job's faith play Jung's interpretation of Job??
@SeekersofUnity
4 жыл бұрын
Satan is the inner doubter, the inner accuser.
@Badbentham
Жыл бұрын
Goethe brought a famous "modern" twist to the story, by making Mephistopheles a manifestion Inside of Faust / Job. - In the words of a Pop Culture version, that Jung probably would have liked: " No one knows what it's like To be the bad man To be the sad man Behind blue Eyes. No one knows what it's like To be hated To be fated To telling only lies But my dreams aren't as empty As my conscience seems to be. I spent hours, only lonely My love is vengeance, that's never free. No one knows what it's like To feel these feelings Like I do. And I blame You. "
@oleghrozman4172
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. It was interesting.
@SeekersofUnity
4 жыл бұрын
You're Welcome. Glad you enjoyed it.
@oleghrozman4172
4 жыл бұрын
@@SeekersofUnityI think this is would be interesting for you. Edward Edinger says: “That’s what he’s referring to. He says two things break it, Buddha’s insight breaks it and the incarnation in Christ breaks it. He doesn’t say “broke it.” He doesn’t use the past tense. He uses the present tense, which means that Buddha’s insight and incarnation in Christ are current happenings which have the effect of breaking the chain of suffering through the intervention of the enlightened human consciousness, which thereby acquires a metaphysical and cosmic significance. Now, you see, that’s what happens in the Book of Job, as Jung spells it out in Answer to Job. Job got a glimpse into the nature of the primordial Psyche. As Jung puts it, “He got a glimpse of the back side of God, the abysmal world of shards.” He saw it. That seeing it was Buddha’s insight [occurring at approximately the same time]. And it had the effect then of bringing about the incarnation in Christ. And in fact, Job was a kind of prefiguration of the incarnation in Christ, because he was the victim ... His suffering was the sacrifice that had to be paid in order to achieve the insight that he got. So that Buddha’s insight and incarnation in Christ are illustrated in the Book of Job and what they achieve then is the intervention of the enlightened human consciousness which thereby acquires a metaphysical and cosmic significance. It thereby takes on Divine attributes, and that corresponds to the incarnation of God. The fact that enlightened human consciousness takes on metaphysical and cosmic significance means that it is a carrier of the God-Image. It’s all there in that one sentence, and I was delighted when I came across it.” “This symbolism has now become available for empirical psychological understanding. It no longer has to be worshipped as a metaphysical hypostasis, which is the way it appears in projection, so to speak, in metaphysical or theological projection, when it’s worshipped as a religious image. In such a form, it is not yet realized as a psychic reality; as an aspect of psychological experience. That’s what Jung has achieved. He’s achieved in his own life the incarnation of Deity.”
@SeekersofUnity
4 жыл бұрын
Wowww, that floored me. Thank you so much for sharing that. The way that ends just hit me like a ton of bricks. So well put. I'm going to have to go read some Edinger. Thank you Olegh,
@kalingeorgiev1034
4 жыл бұрын
@@oleghrozman4172 Glad to see a fellow Jungian.
@francoisealicemoran2452
2 жыл бұрын
Fuck! That was good
@Endymion766
Жыл бұрын
Christians twist themselves into knots trying to explain the story of Job and I don't understand why. It's just a story about how unfair life ergo God can be. In the original story, Job was not rewarded with a new family and fortune, instead being allowed to die alone, still not wavering in his faith. It's a story that asks the Christian, "Are you prepared to be Job? Are you prepared to have absolutely none of your good deeds or faith ever be rewarded? Or is your relationship with God, transactional?" Christians seem to become very uncomfortable with this question, as they know deep inside, their faith is transactional. They do expect good things in exchange for their service to God. They are not prepared to be Job. It makes them question their faith and they don't like that, especially if it comes from the Bible. They scramble to re-interpret and re-explain the story to make it fall in line with their transactional relationship with their God. I believe the story is meant to give the reader an "oh sht" moment and reflect on themselves as a Christian. But its hard looking in the mirror. We often don't like what we see.
@JP-kg6wn
10 ай бұрын
Excellent video thanks. 👍
@SeekersofUnity
10 ай бұрын
You’re most welcome 🙏🏼
@randy5829
Жыл бұрын
With All respect to Jung, just think before you we’re born you knew nothing, and when you’re dead you are back to the consciousness of God.
@andykeri8370
2 жыл бұрын
People think we are the only creation God. Adam had 3 components . Body , Mind ,and part of God. Adam did not have a blank mind ,no operating system . Already had cognitive thinking from the Creator . The God component already known what is suffering and pain.
@James777921
4 ай бұрын
Fascinating. Now I want to read Jung’s book to get all the little details haha
@madsenketty
Жыл бұрын
Amazing
@andrewatic6776
Жыл бұрын
That was just beautiful.
@SeekersofUnity
Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@kimw200blaze4
3 жыл бұрын
G.K Chesterton wrote in his Introduction to the Book of Job, "the riddles of God are more satisfying than the solutions of man". That is the the only way I can make sense of the Job story. And let me be clear, I don't agree with every insight Chesterton has on other matters. Your discussion as to how Jung proposes the idea that Job is the incarnation of the Divine in the world, made me reflect on some of the discourses, that go on about the divinity or non-divinity of Jesus. The central belief in Christianity, that Jesus is the human incarnation of the transcendent God, who then goes onto die a horrible death on the Cross, is a deeply disturbing idea to digest. I don't agree with Zlavoj Zizek on a number of issues, but I relate to when he asserts, that you can only truly be an atheist through Christianity. That is one way to interpret the death of Jesus. He quotes Hegel who said " What dies on the cross is God himself". Jesus on the Cross cried out before he died "my God my God, why have you forsaken me". And Zizek also quotes Chesterton, who said only in Christianity does "God himself becomes an atheist". Very insightful perspectives!
@SeekersofUnity
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Kim. Thank you so much for sharing that Zizekian/Chestertonian insight. Powerful thought indeed.
@mysticolin01
3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I have read some Chesterton but haven't explored Zizek yet. During my studies, I came to realize how Christianity's understanding of Jewish scripture differed from Judaism's understanding of their own texts. Taking this and the fact that almost all Christian texts were written by Jews, Judaism informs my understanding of Christianity. I think recognition of Jesus as fully human and fully divine needn't be limited to Jesus but is true of all humanity. Recently, I've been thinking about how the idea or language of the Trinity could be a Christian expression of nondualism.
@ineffige
2 жыл бұрын
"mystery" is always the answer when people try to fit image of good god to reality. There is now ay god is good if he created world like this
@mwbgallery
2 жыл бұрын
looking forward to it
@SeekersofUnity
2 жыл бұрын
Us too ☺️
@mjolninja9358
4 жыл бұрын
New subscriber here bruv
@SeekersofUnity
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks you so much, glad to have you. Welcome to Seekers.
@SeelenTaucher
3 жыл бұрын
Hjob H Job. Lol
@MillennialRabbi
2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful. As the Divine voice from heaven spoke through Rabbi Yosef Karo on Shavuot night: "if only you knew My pain..." God feels it all, from our perspective too
@ineffige
2 жыл бұрын
but what is the point of all this? What is the point of terrible suffering in childrens's hospices? what is the point of suffering that drives people to suicide?
@mykhailokravchenko4142
Жыл бұрын
@@ineffigelife barely worth living still better then non living at all. Would you rather kill those children or banish them from existence? God’s love so vast that it allows even the most feeble souls to experience life
@ineffige
Жыл бұрын
@@mykhailokravchenko4142 i did few years of voluntary work in childrens hoospice. No, life barely worth living is worse than non existence. I saw parents whop comiited suicide after their children died. No, nobody deserves so much suffering
@salestalk63
4 жыл бұрын
Substantial flaws in this. Your really limiting the power of God here on a atrocious level. I don't think Jung was a genius, I think all he did was put God in a box of failed and limited human understanding. Here is your master key. In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter). This is where we get the word universe from. 1st verse of the bible. This creating power which is God is completely separate of time, space and matter. None of these can exist without each other meaning they all had to be bought into creation at the exact moment as eachother in a Big Bang. God could cancel all consciousness and life in a instant if he wanted, he needs no regrets. He can erase them if he wants. Gods conversation with Job involves other players like Satan the accuser. You have completely removed him from your explanation / review. So your context is framed completely wrong. Satan accused God of blessing Job so much that it was the only reason Job loved him. He told God as soon as Job had pain and loss he would abandon God. When God is before Job, Job is feeling sorry for himself from all his loss and pain bought on by Satan. God tells Job... see Leviathan (T-Rex?) do you think you can play with him?, make him your pet? Make him tame? Are you scared of him Job?, yes you are... Well who do you think made him Job?... Me... Where were you when..... He is saying you know nothing, and what you need to know is to fear me your lord because I control everything. You have freedom but I am life. I am everything. Wake up and realise this. Anything that happens is allowed by God. Job goes on to become greatly blessed going forth. Gnosticism may sound exciting but Jung is way out of context on this one. He has limited God severely which perhaps fits Gnosticism to make it work.
@SeekersofUnity
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Damien for your reading.
@LetTheTideRoll19
3 жыл бұрын
You must be a calvanist
@pchee
3 жыл бұрын
Weird. This video and Jung did the opposite: Unboxing God from the box he was put in.
@Altegore
3 жыл бұрын
One thing though - God gave Job an "all-new" family to "replace" the old one that died.... really? Replacing old with new family members "fixes" everything?
@soulripper4423
Жыл бұрын
why do you associate time, space and matter with the first verse? To me that looks like a vague assumption to somehow connect it to a highly simplified physicist world view.
@Yupperino123
3 жыл бұрын
This is very similar to Christ being tempted in the desert.
@SeekersofUnity
3 жыл бұрын
How so?
@Yupperino123
3 жыл бұрын
@@SeekersofUnity if the christ is god in human form then he is the demonstration of God in man. Or as opposed to the job story the search for answers from God outside of yourself in Christ is an inward discovery. He is tempted by Satan to be given power to rule over all the kingdoms of the world (like God telling job how omnipotent he is ) in the end jesus (as god in man) settles with telling satan to get behind him and puts the order in place on how god is tested and maybe balanced as god experiencing humanity. Im not as good as you are at explaining..but thats what it made me think of. It seems as though the difference in the old testament with the people looking for god outside of themselves was contrasted in the messiah recognition of the god within. Looking forward to watching more of your videos. Thanks.
@SeekersofUnity
3 жыл бұрын
Mmm fascinating thank you Medusa. Looking forward to more insightful comments.
@SolveEtCoagula93
2 жыл бұрын
So, in other words, make it up as you go along. If you don't like one interpretation of story, make up another. Continue this process until you have a version that you like and then sit back and see how clever and fulfilled you are.
@my2cents49
2 жыл бұрын
Wow don't you sound intelligent 🙄
@SolveEtCoagula93
2 жыл бұрын
@@my2cents49 Guess so.
@prismbrandingrealestatebra6301
2 жыл бұрын
The ending of the story of job where God restores him to health and wealth was not in the original story, it was added in 600 years after the original story. In the original story job dies of his wounds. It is a much sadder story.
@horustrismegistus1017
Жыл бұрын
Direct me to this
@christistocome6632
3 жыл бұрын
you havent learned from job brother ' neither from job's friends ' why you talk so much when you know so little ' and i can tell you this ' humble yourself '' thats all you need ' repent in dust and ashes .
@my2cents49
2 жыл бұрын
If you're going to troll and insult people for no reason at least use understandable language 🙄
@jewishgenes
9 ай бұрын
God is less than human. He is unconscious. That is why he acted the way he did!
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