You know a game's bangin' when people are looking into mechanics this closely 17 years after release.
@shapowlow
6 жыл бұрын
I think it's not that the game is bangin'. Spirit of the Law is the shit. Even people who don't play AoE watches his vids just coz they're so good
@SarpSpeaksSometimes
6 жыл бұрын
I'm ShaPowLow I think it's both
@jhonnylee6685
6 жыл бұрын
i used to play AoE and AoE II alot in my childhood and stoped when i was 10 i think recently one of my favorit youtubers started playing AoE II and so this channel got recomended to me and now i'm playing AoE II aswell :)
@christopherhall5361
6 жыл бұрын
i've gotten a few friends of mine to start playing, it's a game that holds up very well 15+ years later, even though it's not a game where having the best graphics ever was the goal
@yellow13_
5 жыл бұрын
19..
@UM96lol
8 жыл бұрын
0:42 Deer confirmed strongest unit in AoE 2
@micahtritscher951
5 жыл бұрын
Ohh man that was amazing to read 😂😂😂
@OpusMagnoCards
5 жыл бұрын
Can`t believe I never noticed that hahaha. Awesome sir.
@VRichardsn
7 жыл бұрын
The other day I was trying to be clever and, after having my precious Teutonic Knights pestered with stones courtesy of Inca Slingers, I remembered this video and said "hey, Scorpions seem to be the correct choice here"(remember what happened to the Hand Canonneers in the video). So I went forward with the idea, because it is nice to find a use for forgotten units (and also because I am cheap: Scorpions cost nowhere near other siege uints) Ok, I make a dash (well, sort of) with the Teutonic Knights to draw the Slingers and then I go in for the kill with the Scorpions. Then out of nowhere a Mangonel fires upon my Scorpions, flattening them with no effort. I promptly ditched the idea and used Siege Onagers instead.
@mohsinejaz6011
4 жыл бұрын
well that was a ride
@LastBastion
4 жыл бұрын
What a rollercoaster ride
@AyuNico
3 жыл бұрын
This sums up why Scorpions suck lmao
@octapusxft
8 жыл бұрын
I still like the scorpions cause they sound so cute when you click on them
@ModernMozart1104
8 ай бұрын
lmaooo
@ichigoblackTWD
7 жыл бұрын
One my enemy made a lot of Teutonic Knights, i made scorpions. They all died and he resinged lol
@RennieAsh
7 жыл бұрын
That's what he gets for only making those ;p Plus you probably had more scorpions and spread out rather than so close that the TKs can reach tem easily Monks can also convert all the Teuton Knights
@SpiritOfTheLaw
8 жыл бұрын
A few questions from this video have been addressed in a followup one: kzitem.info/news/bejne/lo55mKenb397m6gm9s Questions include: What about rams? What about trebuchets? What about throwing axemen? Should archers be moved closer against scorpions? Why did the scorpion appear to destroy some trees at 4:10?
@TheManofthecross
8 жыл бұрын
+Spirit Of The Law how do you get the cars in that game to do that let alone the cars in the frist place. :O
@blanarurazvan704
8 жыл бұрын
+Vincent Celeste its a cheat code its @how can i turn this on@
@TheManofthecross
8 жыл бұрын
blanaru razvan never knew that. :O is there a vid for all cheats like that I would like to see this cheat in action and thanks for the answer.
@blanarurazvan704
8 жыл бұрын
no problem man XD
@ruthlessgriz3340
8 жыл бұрын
I think you also forgot to include naval units. Do scorpions fare better against naval invasions from land rather than as control-point units?
@carlosolea4290
8 жыл бұрын
Cobra car counters everything so who cares
@houkkiboi
8 жыл бұрын
+Carlos Olea The villager says different. 0:58
@flageloduran4744
8 жыл бұрын
+threadenoid908 fucking nerd.
@Sumiscloud
8 жыл бұрын
+threadenoid908 people don't know the power of supremacy
+Miran Uzeri When i play with celts I use to mass scorpions with few onager, i can take down eeven paladin and hussars armies, obviously creating more scorps
@tylerparziale868
8 жыл бұрын
+Erigierten gameplays 4 I do the opposite mass onagers w/ scorpions because the onagers are also good against buildings .
@dariodimarziasalvatore971
8 жыл бұрын
So basically don't ever build scorpions unless you play some tight-alley map like black forrest in which case build mangonels so again don't ever build scorpions. :D This unit needs to get buffed IMHO...
@landochabod7
8 жыл бұрын
+Mike Czeck Yes and no. Keep in mind that the scorpions in this video were being constantly flooded with units but their screen was not, so the fight was getting harder for them and easier for the enemy. In a real battle it might be the other way around. Look at 6:57, if there had been just 30 hussars the scorpions would have won with no losses but the halberdiers in front, and the exchange ratio would've been much better. All in all, I think this video shows *which* units are better against them, but not necessarily by *how much*.
@dariodimarziasalvatore971
8 жыл бұрын
Hmm nice insight
@karlhans6678
8 жыл бұрын
+landochabod7 This is the best scenario for scorpions. I have raped a group like this one with teutonic knights.
@rekabneb
8 жыл бұрын
+Mike Czeck worth it as the Slavs or the Celts in certain scenarios
@lf2208
8 жыл бұрын
+landochabod7 Can't the same line of thinking be applied to the scorpions themselves though?. This was the best sort of tactical situation for them to be used, and they still barely managed. Who ever would assemble an army of scorpions of this large a magnitude? Getting them into position is a pain, as they are a slow unit, with very little flexibility. If you put all your resources in scorpions like this, whilst your opponent invests in faster units, he will be able to outmanouver you and beat you anyway, as I see it. All in all, I would personally conclude that the scorpion does have its niche, but the niche is just too small for the unit to actually be relevant. I think it might deserve a damage buff or something like that..
@rodskagg3328
8 жыл бұрын
I think the fact that you compare the resources sold to gold in late imp with market saturated makes the Scorpions seem worse than they are. The most likely scenario is that there is still gold to be mined on the map and that the game (at least in my experience) is probably over when all gold is mined. For example a scorpion is costing 75 wood and 75 gold. You had 32 (four lines with eight in each) of them in your tests which is equal to 4800 resources. If we compare it against skirmishes which was 2184 gold and inverse market trade to its original resource we get 15600 total. In this case the Scorpion is killing the Skirmishes at a little more than 3:1 ratio in resources which is pretty good. I would still consider gold a more valuable resource but maybe not as much as the 100:14 ratio. Maybe you can show both "total resources" and "sold to gold" in your videos so that one can compare early and late game value. Love your videos anyways. Keep it up
@randomness6498
5 жыл бұрын
Rodskagg not when u have relics and spamming champions
@dancingphoenixart
5 жыл бұрын
Also on this type of map (black forest or michi) it's really easy to set up trade which might make you end up with even more gold than other rescources, so yeah. The already pointed out skirmishers show the pouint perfectly. You took a "might-be-scenario" and put it as a "must-be-scenario". Which can be quite misleading. The hussar probably did only as good as the scorpion, as the 7:1 food>gold radio will of course make them appear much better than they actually are. It'd have been better to simply compary rescources and then add the fact which ones don't cost gold and could be doing good *in this one specific scenario*
@AyuNico
3 жыл бұрын
So gold units vs trash units, really?
@anirudhdad2739
8 жыл бұрын
u forgot to take seige rams in the test.. i think they are atleast 2nd best against scorpions :D
@houkkiboi
8 жыл бұрын
+Anirudh Dad Interesting thought, considering Scorpions also have bonus damage vs. rams.
@anirudhdad2739
8 жыл бұрын
yeah, and rams literally one shot almost all scorpions, also they hurt them in aoe.
@caracaes
8 жыл бұрын
+Anirudh Dad Also, he forgot to do a Scorpion vs Scorpion run as a baseline. Since he's making a limited amount of scorpions on one side and an unlimited amount on the other, the cost effectiveness might no be 1/1
@caracaes
8 жыл бұрын
+Anirudh Dad Also, he forgot to do a Scorpion vs Scorpion run as a baseline. Since he's making a limited amount of scorpions on one side and an unlimited amount on the other, the cost effectiveness might no be 1/1
@Volcano4981
8 жыл бұрын
+Jineapple Add on the Mongol speed boost, and there you have the ultimate Scorpion killer. :P
@mexikorn931
8 жыл бұрын
I don't even play AoE2, I just watch your videos cause they're good.
@grazzer88
8 жыл бұрын
Me too. It's such good commentary even someone who doesn't play the game can get it. I played AoE religiously so i still enjoy seeing what's up with the franchise, though after my experience of online play being more concerned about efficient build order and kiting archer units rather than any semblance of skill i didn't pick it up competitively.
@VRichardsn
7 жыл бұрын
Likewise; my days of Age of Empires are long gone (although can be revived at the odd LAN party) since I moved on to other RTS (currently Company of Heroes) but Spirit of the Law´s videos are great, and for some reason, very relaxing for me.
@bigbowen1559
7 жыл бұрын
I think its in part due to the music. Its like it and airport music come from the same family (classic lounge?/lounge chill?)
@ct918
6 жыл бұрын
same
@vario6492
6 жыл бұрын
Same here... I call it the Top Gear phenomenon (Don't give a fk about cars , watches anyway)
@nicolasweber5804
7 жыл бұрын
I always love that intro with the villager and the car. xD the music at the time is so cool :DDD xDDDD
@ichigoblackTWD
7 жыл бұрын
0:23 song name?
@donkiko6708
3 жыл бұрын
Nes
@a.anderson2072
8 жыл бұрын
Hey, +Spirit of the Law. Curiously, would you consider doing a video on how to counter and/or how the famous 'ball of death' civs perform once they reach that post-imperial 'ball of death' combo that is supposed to be nigh impossible to stop? It'd be interesting to find which civ has the better post-imp 'ball of death' status. Examples: 1. Britons once they mass Elite Longbows, protected Halbs and Champs, with many Trebs behind it all. 2. Koreans once they get rolling with Siege Onagers, Elite War Wagons and Halbs. 3. Celts, once they form that siege death with Siege Onagers and Heavy Scorpions, protected by Halbs and Champs. 4. Turks, once they get Elite Janissaries massed with many Bombard Cannons and Hussar for meat shield. 5. Franks, once they get a mass of Paladins combo'd with Hand Cannons and Bombard Cannons. 6. Spanish, with Paladins, Hand Cannons, Bombard Cannons, Conquistadors and Halbs. 7. Indians, once they mass Imperial Camels, Elite Elephant Archers and Hand Cannons. 8. Goths, once they have boomed and can spam Halbs, Elite Huskarls and Champs from many Barracks. 9. Mongols, once they have massed Elite Mangudai, backed up by Siege Rams and Siege Onagers. Those are the only civs I can think of that become deadly once they mass their Post Imperial units and form a ball of death that can't be stopped (Apologies if I missed any). The idea is, which one has the better combo? And how is each of them countered?
@RennieAsh
7 жыл бұрын
That would be a very large test to do lol
@798jeremy
4 жыл бұрын
About Franks, I'd rather say Elite Throwing Axemen instead of Hand Cannoniers, because unlike unexperimented players (either never played franks, basically, or just didn't use them in the right way) think, they actually can handle it pretty much as good against widely most infantry units in the game as their gunpowder buddies do on their own too...and if needed so, in very situational cases, like teutonic knights, as a very well speaking example, then Hand Cannoniers are hands down a better choice, obviously. But otherwise, not necessarily everytime, as experimented good franks players could tell it without hesitating in the slightliest way...
@VittamarFasuthAkbin
8 жыл бұрын
7:55 its not removed, its lowered to 1 for all siege and extra damage for rams. So they are still more effective than regular archers.
@Starkiller3481
8 жыл бұрын
Hey men! Very nice video, as always. I want to express my opinion on how good your channel is. Every time i recive notification about new video from you, im super excited and cant wait to see it. They are always extremly well done and cover all things connected to the topic. I love your complex maths (because i like maths :D) and way that you test and explain everything. You are definetly best Age of Empires channel on KZitem. Keep it up men! Cheers :)
@zaibnisar1865
8 жыл бұрын
Spirit plz respond to this.....when will u continue road to 1800 ??
@SpiritOfTheLaw
8 жыл бұрын
+Zaib Nisar I'll probably record some more soon :)
@mcadder
8 жыл бұрын
+Spirit Of The Law It would be fun to hear your comments on games you lose also....
@SpiritOfTheLaw
8 жыл бұрын
+mcadder oh don't worry - there will be plenty of those haha
@mcadder
8 жыл бұрын
Spirit Of The Law It's not (only) my sadistic side who wants it. But I think one would recognize the feeling when things aren't going the way one planned :o) Thats quite entertaining :o)
@HECKproductions
8 жыл бұрын
as far as i know there are two thats plenty alright 11
@a.anderson2072
8 жыл бұрын
It's a shame you didn't cover the Expansions. I'd be curious to know how the Ethiopian Heavy Scorpion does, with the extra blast radius tech "Torsion Engines". Though, I do admit that when this tech is mentioned, I think more of Siege Onagers and Siege Rams.
@HutchyWow
8 жыл бұрын
+A. Anderson Torsion Engines are really bad for Scorpions, adds close to 0 extra damage.
@darkdill
8 жыл бұрын
When you made this video, you showed Briton Cavaliers against the Heavy Scorpions, but Britons don't get Bloodlines. That 20 HP could make a difference, so what about a civ that has Bloodlines?
@Ezldor
7 жыл бұрын
i have no idea why i started watching your videos, havent touched this game in around 10 years
@lf2208
8 жыл бұрын
Great video! I'd like to remark one things that came to mind when watching - the fact that the scorpions are getting flooded does in my view overshadow one of the great advantages of ranged units like the scorpion. This advantage, as I see it, lies in the fact that ranged units will win the fights in which they are superior without getting damaged. I personally do not have a high opinion of the scorpion at all, so maybe the longbowman is the better example. The longbowman is a favorite unit of many a player, even though, as you have pointed out, it does not actually win 1 on 1 against almost any unit or unit combination.The big advantage is that 20 longbowmen might not win vs 20 champions (or whatever their equal-cost number is), but they will take out 8 champions without losing a single hit point. In the case of 20 champions vs 8 champions, you can't boast of the same advantage. Furthermore, I would argue that longbowmen and scorpions can, for example, take out villagers whilst there is a wall in between them. So all in all, I think that ranged units have an advantage that's hard to actually put in numbers. An advantage that may prove hard to measure in these sort of tests.
@svenvenohr6117
8 жыл бұрын
spirit!!! The title is already awesome!! Always wanted to know more about them! :) Oh by the way... I really miss a Celt-Civ Overwiew... :)
@Snakie747
8 жыл бұрын
Pretty big breakdown that explains why these things aren't used very often- there just aren't that many things they're really good against and there's tons of counters.
@hanspeter-meier-wurtshansi1670
8 жыл бұрын
You forgot about the Spanish Vils! Thanks for the contribution!
@aarondiaz1467
7 жыл бұрын
You are wrong in one thing, the halb example makes it so clear. It is not only the cost of resources of the units itself, if u kill 170 pop and u only lose 30, all the time that the battle is going on, the scorp guy is saving resources for the new army, while the halb guy is spending all his resources in a lost battle, since when u see ur army is performing good, u will keep the flood of that army. Also, 170/30 ratio kill in 1 battle is GG in 1x1 for sure, in tg depends on whats going on on the other side, but u can be sure that after a battle like that, the scorp guy side will push easy that side. The same goes for the hussar, yeah, once u have 60 farmers u can flood hussar like crazy, but, if u loose 70 hussars in one battle, u better have DM resources, or u'll get down to 100 pop and wont ever get back to 200. Paladins > hussars against scorps, u can be sure of that, hussars is the choices once u have no gold xd.
@besg5725
6 жыл бұрын
Aaron Diaz ok expert. But gold is more important than wood or stone. So scorps actually suck because everything they can do, onangers and others can do better.
@mandowarrior123
5 жыл бұрын
@@besg5725 no you missed his point, it doesn't matter how expensive they are in a sense as they give huge population swing, create 30, build up to 200, scorps die, you started at 130 pop with scorps, them 200, now they have 110 pop and you have 170. That kind of thing. They are like a buffer unit. It has vale in excess of its gold cost is his point, which is true.
@Southeast_Asian_Devil
5 жыл бұрын
@@mandowarrior123 Yeah, like having 5 relics post-imp but lose all standing armies, losing the benefits of critical mass
@SemiMono
4 жыл бұрын
Scorpions act like archers, they cause no friendly fire. Use onagers in those situations and the can be micro'd in some cases or just get a couple of cavalry through and the onagers destroy themselves. On top of that, if you put a meat shield in front of the onagers you need to micro the meat shield and onagers quite carefully to keep your meat shield from dying from one scout being sent in. Scorps never cause that and don't need nearly as much management. They're also better against fast moving units and cost less than onagers. Compare them to archers, they're a bit more expensive and much slower, but most archers wouldn't fair nearly that well, especially against something like paladins. Scorps have an important place, just usually there isn't an opportunity to use them.
@Zengrad
8 жыл бұрын
thanks for the informative video about that underused unit. here is a little indication: you forgot the ramms as a possible counter. keep up the good work! :) and i´m curious about the next episode of road to 1800+. Aim higher! ;D
@mpbroseph6465
8 жыл бұрын
Italian overview coming anytime soon? :) i really like their unique unit.
@rovsea-3761
8 жыл бұрын
+Josef Rosenkvist I agree. The Genoese Crossbow is actually really good against a wide variety of units, although it is somewhat easily countered.
@groinBlaster31
4 жыл бұрын
I watch your videos way more than I play age of empires. Love them!
@barranquillarespondetv2512
7 жыл бұрын
this is just great, the other day, as goths I was gonna lose, cuz in late imperial my opponent made tons of hand cannoner and my Huskies were being crushed. the problem with the Spirit's examples is that the units didn't have formations. with only three scorpions I killed a whole 20 fully upgraded army of pure hand cannoner and eventually beat him
@enkiimuto1041
8 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for an episode like this (i love scorpions), thanks man!
@lukasg4807
8 жыл бұрын
With short range archers like cavalry archers you wouldn't let them form a line like that,you'd send them up in a nice tidy square where they can all attack and the scorpions would do poorly. The same goes for all the low range units like the hand cannoneers, just moving your army forward a couple squares would kill the scorpions easily.
@SpiritOfTheLaw
8 жыл бұрын
+Lukas Guensche That might help and shift the numbers slightly, but do you really think it's going to change the conclusion and mean that archers are a legitimate counter to mass scorpion? I suspect that would just speed up the battle and get more archers firing, but more would also be taking hits from scorpions, giving a similar outcome. I might be wrong.
@AlessandroRodriguez
8 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear of AoE2 again, thanks for the video +Spirit Of The Law
@achmedliebtachi
6 жыл бұрын
Dear mighty Spirit of the Law, I searched the whole Internet for a good list kinda thing about which units can be used as a counter against other units. Can you make a video giving a nice oversight about all the counter units?
@gordonweintraub6634
8 жыл бұрын
No rams vs scorps! I'd love to see how the bonus damages apply!
@select899
8 жыл бұрын
In-depth analysis is in-depth and analytical. Did it take long to make this?
@Dimiterer
2 жыл бұрын
Btw, ram has bonus damage also against siege. With their archery protection and some cheap infantry units inside to increase the speed they could be quite effective (especially for mongols with their unique technology)
@papanong8997
5 жыл бұрын
Sometimes a game that is made from the dark and terrifying medieval can get ridiculously drunk and funny
@fibonacci112358s
8 жыл бұрын
I had a friend back in high school who LOVED to use the scorpions. When I pointed out how poorly they compared against onagers, he cited the high upgrade cost (somewhere in the range of 2000 food and 2000 gold in total) to upgrade magonels to onagers and then to siege onagers.
@canadian__ninja
8 жыл бұрын
I know this is long since the video went up, but in certain situations, its possible you are underestimating the mongol seige speed improvement, such as vs the units that outrange them, like the longbow or treb. With 50% faster speed, they would logically be able to fire quicker and get more kills
@Caiotus
8 жыл бұрын
Definitely going to start using the scorpion after this video, didn't realize how big their strengths are
@bramtimmerarends33
8 жыл бұрын
You're so great :D thanks for your work to get this video out! I love it
@gonzaliders1
7 жыл бұрын
you put a lot of work here! = good video + good content = good job!
@88Nieznany88
8 жыл бұрын
omg scorpion is my second favourite unit ( the first one is longbowman of course) great video!
@cedrikullrich4298
8 жыл бұрын
Hey there, I'm working on a mod for the Steam Workshop. This mod will probably be named as ''Lost Forces " (This name is not certain, it's possible that its name will be changed. I just want a kinda-epic name xD). It will add some new civs with their own tech trees, unique unit(s) and unique techs. I probably won't add new skins for buildings, because that's too hard for me. I guess I'll just use the other civ's architectures. I'm only gonna reslease it in two languages: English and German, my mother tongue, but I guess most of you will be fine with English. Here some of the civs I wanna offer you: 1.Polands 2. Iroquois: In reality they used cavalry, but only when the Spanish arrived, and explorers say the first Iros lived in the 11th century, so they didn't know horses back than. Idk if I'm gonna give them cavalry units yet. 3. Irish 4. Albanians 5.Greeks That's not everything I'll offer you, but only the civs I focus on first. What do you think about my idea?
@anirudhviswanathan3986
7 жыл бұрын
Arent the Byzantines technically Greeks post 500 AD? Basically, after the fall of the Roman Empire. They even get a tech called Greek Fire.
@dogg-paws
8 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to Part 2. Any chance you can try Rams as a test subject against mass scorpions?
@HECKproductions
8 жыл бұрын
as for what they are good against: basically everything with less range if you have enough of them
@danielhuisman1996
8 жыл бұрын
interesting question: how well do scorpions perform against rams that move through the choke point? put some samurais or teutonic knights in there and maybe it's a much better exchange for those units!
@demiserofd
6 жыл бұрын
I think a better comparison is against Arbalests. Arbalests cost 45g to a heavy scorp's 75, but only deal 2.95 dps to the scorp's 4.4. That means that a heavy scorpion only needs to hit two units every eight shots to be a more cost effective unit per damage. And the scorps have 7 armor to arbalests 0, so they're nearly invulnerable to opposing archers.
@sophiacristina
4 жыл бұрын
You should make another video testing how different combinations of army makes scorpions more effective.
@thorkillthered6595
8 жыл бұрын
Scorpions are actually pretty good at shore defence because even though they can't one shot ships, they have a longer range than mangonels, and ships have a harder time dodging there projectiles than mangonels and trebuchets. This is useful when you're stuck on an island with no navy and need to fend off enemy ships. I personally like to have a mix of trebuchets and scorpions because the trebuchets will force he enemy to move their ships around to avoid the trebuchets fire and push them into the scorpions, which will also make quick work of any enemy transports.
@KaoticPhoenix
8 жыл бұрын
I always knew you liked Scorpions :P They are such a good defensive unit if you can keep them safe like near a Castle or behind a wall or something. Could you do a video on what units work best with siege units when on the offence? Like you said Pikeman and Onagers are a good combo but they sometimes friendly fire. Also how does the guarding function work?
@ashina2146
8 жыл бұрын
I think Scorpion are replacement of archer units. they're by far the most suitable mate for spearmen/pikemen/halberdier. but that relationship was broken when the huskarl nation attack.
@micahtritscher951
5 жыл бұрын
Man that car cheat was the best part of the game!!! For sure!
@franzluggin398
8 жыл бұрын
The thing that I think we should learn from this video is that scorpions need a third tier like mangonels and battering rams. Then it would be balanced against the early imperial tier of units (mostly), while the last one could be kinda worthwhile in post-imp?
@anirudhviswanathan3986
7 жыл бұрын
First make the heavy upgrade cheaper. At 1100 wood and 1000 gold, you seriously want another upgrade to this? Which will be at least another 1000 gold and 1000 wood? Want to ruin your gold economy some more with another upgrade?
@Alexroberts666
7 жыл бұрын
my favourite civ is celts and my favourite unit is the scorpian. [evil laughter] but as soon as I seen the onagers coming out, I run for the hills...
@shangri-la-la-la
8 жыл бұрын
now I want t o see the HD expantion version of this video since I mostly play on the expansions
@mcpikachu8605
8 жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh guys it's Brorelia!!!!
@physixger
6 жыл бұрын
I don't like the mode of testing. As it seems, Spirit produced a stream of constant unit rate (by numbers - one can usually count between 30-40 red units on the strip), not considering cost, and sent it against a fixed number of scorpions. So of course, the paladins will overwhelm/snowball the scorpions far quicker just by being a stronger unit on a per-unit basis than, let's say, halberdiers. So this test heavily favours more tanky and therefore more expensive units. A realistic counter test would be taking unit streams of constant resource rate used, to reflect that the enemy player has the same economy for each counter.
@mrbatukhan6791
4 жыл бұрын
I once massed scorpions with an Ally, Ally went ahead with meat shield of Calvary & infantry while I stand at the back providing artillery Support (bombard cannons & massed Scorpions). It was chaotic at the enemy base but oh boy, the enemy fell in seconds literally, they couldn't do shit with so many scorpions firing in all directions that it was so messy. Their base was instantly wrecked. Castles was quickly taken down by trebuchets and cannons.
@demiserofd
7 жыл бұрын
I think a more interesting comparison would be Scorpions performance against things compared to the performance of an equal amount of resources of Arbalests in a similar situation. Scorpions seem more like heavy archers than like siege.
@joesmith9974
8 жыл бұрын
in case anyone is curious why scorpians were not very effective against elephants it is partially because they have high hit points but also because the true hit zone of elephants is not as big as it appears it should be. in fact, it is actually smaller than that of the knight.
@darkdill
8 жыл бұрын
Will you make a version of this for post-AK Scorpions? IIRC, they got a size increase to their projectiles which fixed some bugs with them; prior to AK, they didn't always hit enemies with their splash attacks.
@bladereturns
7 жыл бұрын
Perhaps time to look at the scorpions again with the new civilisation which has 2x shot upgrades? Seems amazing on paper
@Albukhshi
8 жыл бұрын
I tend to use this siege weapon, though largely to support my main army, should the enemy have large numbers of infantry. Turns out my choice was a good one.
@Norovo
8 жыл бұрын
I feel like this is vindication for people who rarely use scorpions. Even in those situational chokepoint situations, they often don't exchange that well. Where they do exchange well, Onagers would probably exchange even better. I like Celt and Chinese scorpions but in most games I won't bother
@Tigerman55
8 жыл бұрын
I've always felt that since scorpions have a smaller minimum range, with onagers (which have the longer range), together they do really well. Also if you throw in some Halberdiers to take out cavalry...
@Tigerman55
8 жыл бұрын
Something Spirit didn't mention is that Scorpions don't do damage to your own units like onagers can, so they are safer in that aspect.
@Norovo
8 жыл бұрын
Yes that's true. You can also patrol them into enemies, unlike onagers. I guess in a sense they're half way between an arbalest and onager in terms of use
@felipea1399
6 жыл бұрын
Overall a good video. But... Did you use goths to create Huskarls? If you didn't it doesn't represent a real situation when scorpions do 40% more damage And other cavaliers with bloodlines can survive 2 more direct hits than british ones, who is a big diference
@kingandrew1st673
8 жыл бұрын
can you damage buildings through eachother with the scorpian? Like for example if you have a row of houses or multiple military buildings in a row.
@nikolafeschiev3399
5 жыл бұрын
No
@TheFreebirdforever
8 жыл бұрын
@Spirit Of The Law You forgot about fully upgraded battering ram. Looks like the battering ram is a good option against scorpion.
@nilsp9426
8 жыл бұрын
Scorpions are very situational though.. Maybe having a few scorpions in the back of your army is often worthwhile, because their great downside is the lack of self-protection. They fall very quickly as soon as they can be approached. Also ranged units should not stagger in on them so only a few can shoot but rather walk up a little more i feel. E.g. 8:23
@MinecraftPlanetChan
8 жыл бұрын
Hey spirit you should do a video on the bombard cannon. Idk if BBCs regularly do this, but I was playing against a Portuguese guy and I swear his cannon balls would sometimes "bounce" and hit other units! He once killed 3 onagers with one BBC shot because it bounced _I SWEAR._
@hm09235nd
8 жыл бұрын
To be fair, the spawn rate of the infantry makes it so there will never be a situation where the scorpions simply survive, which could well be the case if you manage to kill 80 unique units in a pure 1v1 encounter
@SpiritOfTheLaw
8 жыл бұрын
+tanten från atlanten yeah, that was by design. The purpose was to rank the different units relative to each other, and it's impossible to interpret how 2 units compare if they just die in a continuous stream toward the scorpions. I did run it with militia (and showed it a bit in the intro) and the militia approached 1000 kills without ever having damaged the scorpions
@duskonaseski7386
6 жыл бұрын
They are blowing with the wind of changes...
@DeisFortuna
4 жыл бұрын
Are we going to get updated versions of the unit overview videos to account for the HD expansions and Definitive Edition?
@pianospeedrun
Жыл бұрын
I LOVE them as turks. At 1200 elo i always ran into the same problem : pikes and halbs. Turk cav is very strong, and their 20% gold gathering bonus allows them to mass cav but in castle age its too hard to both upgrade the cav line and the archer/skirm line to counter pikes and ennemy camels. Enter the scorpion ! 0 upgrade necessary, and extremely effective at the job as long as they have the cav meat shield. In castle age they are perfect, in imperial i find them much better than hand cannons, the pass thru damage allows for much better fights and wayyyy easier micro. Hand cannon shots get easily absorbed by ennemy heavy cav, letting halbs destroy your own cav. A marvelous unit. Grab a bombard as soon as you hit imp and you have yyourself a complete army. It's gold intensive but very high impact, use the tempo to secure some forward golds/relics and set up some side stables for raiding and you're good. The key is to not let your scorpions and cannons die. Camels and knights will be expended, monks can stretch their value.
@riseALK
3 жыл бұрын
Any plans for a add-on video with Ele archers, rattan archers, genoese xbows etc?
@acidGoatG
6 жыл бұрын
i'd really like to see an updated version with the khmer
@truthert
2 жыл бұрын
Could there be an update for this video, for every new civs and changes that happened since you made this video?
@freddykingofturtles
7 жыл бұрын
But how does the Teuton Ironclad upgrade effect their performance? (I don't think you mentioned it in the video, but if you did I must've just missed it.)
@HazmanFTW
8 жыл бұрын
How do trebuchets handle scorpions?
@orb_knight4794
8 жыл бұрын
new sub, i love that intro very catchy
@andrej7840
8 жыл бұрын
You should do a Portuguese Review! :) btw keep up the good work Spirit! :D
@IHeliosI
8 жыл бұрын
Why no siege rams in the test?
@henryschader4487
5 жыл бұрын
You put a wall and then scorpions behind and they will take any unit that will try to attack the wall, the problem is that with siege units they miserably lose (Onagers, Cannons, trebuchets)
@serkanmistinoglu5723
5 жыл бұрын
Always great videos, thanks! How can we do a kill counter like this?
@novat9731
8 жыл бұрын
How about scorpions? How feasible would it be to send Scorpions to attack scorpions? Would the attacker have the advantage, being able to attack the bunched up enemy. Or would be defender have the advantage? Killing the enemy before he could deal significant damage?
@regina_george340
6 жыл бұрын
Nex time you should do civ overview of the Khmers so we can see more of good scorpions
@shannonmikko9865
8 жыл бұрын
Another great vid
@jrk1666
5 жыл бұрын
holy shit this game is older than me and it has a fan base
@UEAdmiral
8 жыл бұрын
7:46 Except for… wait for it… The Mongols.
@charlesxavier4409
3 жыл бұрын
Scorpions are OP, just need to force everyone to play on a 90's pc on dial up. if your host has a trash connection or computer and each time the game stopped lagging they would launch another volley while every other unit dances in circles from spam inputs.
@Rockinintomordor
8 жыл бұрын
We've got to do a video on how to counter Cobras now! :D
@laughtolive1
8 жыл бұрын
WOW, the blue cars where the best by far!! against scorpions.
@sophiacristina
4 жыл бұрын
I'm not pro, so, maybe i'm saying shit, but i like scorpions because they don't kill themselves, so they can deal with the ones targeting them without micro, also, its good when there is a narrow place that units should squeeze to pass through.
@stevenkudla
8 жыл бұрын
Long time watcher first time poster. love this channel! SCORPIONS ARE BAD
@dylanliu4637
8 жыл бұрын
+Steven Kudla Acutally, they are situational In this video, SOTL tested a fairly specific scenario. For example, in the Scorpion vs Halberdier scenario, the Halberdier suffered significantly more food and wood casulties than the scoripion, but the scorpion suffered more gold losses. Hence, in the scenario where food and wood is abundant, but there is lack of gold, then Halberdiers would make a cost efficient counter. However, in the case where all resources are equally abundant, (i.e Castle age instead of Post-Imperial), then I would say scorpions are pretty effective counters to pikemen/halberdiers
@JimHarkanson
4 жыл бұрын
I think my favorite part is looking into the cost of production. damage is all well and good, but resources are not unlimited
@sauravtripathi4128
4 жыл бұрын
You used Briton cavaliers which is not ideal since they lack bloodlines. We know that HP has a big role in this test. Also what about the Mongol Hussars.
@arforafro5523
8 жыл бұрын
Man you really dropped the ball here, you could of made not one but TWO "Mongols are the exception" jokes!, first with the cavalry archers, second with the civ bonuses making a big difference on the scorpion performance.
@SpiritOfTheLaw
8 жыл бұрын
+Arfor Afro lol I've already made that joke so many times, though. It's not even my own joke...
@shreekantwaphare6063
7 жыл бұрын
10:06 2 bombard cannons do a moonwalk...
@kibo4164
8 жыл бұрын
In portugese civ mod there is a chineese wonder power (you get it when you build a wonder) it gives scorpions to fire 3 arrows so I think they will preform better dont know I play with the mongols :) peaceeeeeeee sry for bad english but you get the point
@mrsparkle001
7 жыл бұрын
I remember when they didn't automatically fire through units, you had to target units in the back.
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