How about the fact the at Eaven looks identical to her mom, you can argue Raven looks like Snow White but she looks a lot more like her own mom. Also the powers
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
2 ай бұрын
Headmaster Grimm caused most of the problems tbh
@haffafawahyuddin7742
2 ай бұрын
She even said "We have happily ever afters, *you* don't" to Raven in one episode
@HxH_Weeb-
Ай бұрын
@@haffafawahyuddin7742 I never liked her also facts
@dancingwiththelilys
Ай бұрын
SHE DID OMG
@shadohhh
2 ай бұрын
I hate how Apple consistently says throughout the show “you’re/she’s so important to MY story!” As if shes the only one that matters in it.
@ultimatebishoujo29
Ай бұрын
I know right
@FrankieOutOfIt
9 күн бұрын
Fr, Raven doesn't want to be the person she saw in the mirror in episode 1, she wants to have a better ending, but Apple calls her selfish.
@box-kit
8 күн бұрын
Apple has main character syndrome fr
@Overwatch2010
7 күн бұрын
It’s so bad does she say that to her prince too?
@Overwatch2010
7 күн бұрын
@@box-kitSadly
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
2 ай бұрын
Please drag Headmaster Grimm as well! He is SO messy! He IMPRISONED his brother underneath the school and put a spell on him so no one could understand him! And instead of jumping him as soon as the girls freed him, Giles Grimm(the brother) decides to FORGIVE Headmaster Grimm for imprisoning him, lying to everyone about him, and locking him up, putting a spell on him! Like wtf?
@byakuyatogami2905
Ай бұрын
Honestly how did Milton end up with with no consequences after thronecoming. Giles had to have been planning some kind of revenge we never got to see
@makaila8860
Ай бұрын
Headmaster Grimm was so MESSY the WHOLE show trying to also ruin Raven's life
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
Ай бұрын
@makaila8860 That's one thing that's consistent in the show, AND the books! Straight up trying to ruin Raven's life!
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
Ай бұрын
@@byakuyatogami2905 Book Giles for sure!
@justanotherweirdo11
Ай бұрын
Yeah that was crazy
@emerald9194
2 ай бұрын
Apple says at one point that she has a genuine fear that all fairy tale characters and their children will cease to exist if they don’t follow their stories (which I believe was backed up by the headmaster at some point) so I do get it to a degree. Her lack of empathy toward Raven at some points is really frustrating though, especially when it’s smaller things that shouldn’t matter toward that fear. I remember the bake off where the entire time Apple is like “oh you’re gonna poison me aren’t you? Let’s see how you poison me! Can’t wait to get poisoned!” meanwhile Raven is just trying to have a fun time without worrying about future stuff. Just her enjoy her day!!
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
2 ай бұрын
No fr! Also, Raven has had her whole life controlled by her Destiny. She isn’t really allowed any freedom in her story. She's cursed if she does, cursed if she doesn’t. She HAS to be evil. But not TOO evil. She has to only be evil the way they want her to be. Raven isn’t even allowed to be herself because if she's kind, people think it's a trap or they laugh at her and think she's weird. I'm annoyed cause Ravens side is shown better in books.
@Road_Kill7
Ай бұрын
She was under the Cheshire cats spell at the time
@garukong.
19 күн бұрын
i don't think she has a fear that all fairy tale characters will cease to die because it's pointed out that only those who do rebel against their fate are the ones that might disappear/story end up 'wrong' (which was also proven wrong). which is why she was angry that raven rebelled against hers, because it would mean she herself won't get the happy ending her mother did. she always says how important raven is to HER story. she knew raven would suffer for her own happiness and she wanted that.
@psyche_therainsilk
16 күн бұрын
NO WAY ANOTHER EAH KID THAT READ WINGS OF FIRE???
@Road_Kill7
16 күн бұрын
@@psyche_therainsilk ME TOO
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
2 ай бұрын
At least in the books, Raven asks Apple an important question, and the question is, " If you had to be the villain, would you still want to follow your destiny?" And Apple says yes in a serious tone. So there you have it! 😂😂😂😂😂
@mushom_
13 күн бұрын
Well atleast she’s consistent 😂
@spooktoonz
19 сағат бұрын
“Hey, I know we’ve been besties for like… forever. But if you could get everything you wanted, but ruin my life in the process, would you?” “Oh. In a heartbeat.”
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
19 сағат бұрын
@spooktoonz Oof. When you put it that way....😂😭😭😭😭😭Granted, in the books, Raven and Apple are friends but not BEST friends. Ravens' besties are actually Maddie and Cedar. Similar to Apple's besties being Ashlynn and Briar.
@spooktoonz
18 сағат бұрын
@@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241 true, but I think my point still stands
@cheyennetricks9757
2 ай бұрын
Not to mention she’s always acting like following your destiny is a must even though it’s so easy for her to say that because she’s not the one who’s destiny is to be arrested, imprisoned, and full on hated and out-casted by society for the rest of her life.
@severigne_m7652
19 күн бұрын
The way even Briar snapped at her at one point. Coz yeah, it's easy to say we need to follow our destinies Apple, but we dont all get to be queens with great destinies, but some of us would lose our families, our lives just to follow the destinies we were given.
@tyra6433
6 күн бұрын
I mean people act like apples story is great. Apple is literally meant to be cast out from her home and live with dwarfs as their servant until she is poisoned. Apple has a bad story but she was raised into believing it was good.
@frootsnacc6790
3 күн бұрын
Don't forget becoming homeless; that was in Raven's destiny too
@cxkechild1496
3 күн бұрын
the worst part is that technically Raven isn't supposed to get evil,live miserable and be imprisoned,she's supposed to *die* when the girlies have to go break the curse on milton's stupid brother by going into the book of legends,they technically faced the destinies for real,they were SURVIVING the fate the book is meant to give to them and in Apple's fairytale point of view,the evil queen falls off a cliff. ,,,,,,,,Raven is truly meant to be broken consciously to become a hate filled person and then die,it's a thousand times more unfair knowing this
@TheLunarSystemWrites
2 ай бұрын
I think that's the point, Apple IS the selfish one. And she has a legitimate redemption arc that took ACTUAL time, which, I loved. She wasn't just raised to think like that, but manipulated by everyone in her life that's an adult. I'm not excusing her behaviour, but she's certainly not a Villain. She's the misguided one that needed to improve herself. I think the show did a good job at making her the selfish one while never directly saying it.
@Lulu_Loves_Sheep
16 күн бұрын
THISSS ☝️ I don't necessarily agree with pinning all of the show's issues on her. Everyone in the show sucks at least a little in their own way. ESPECIALLY Headmaster Grimm, Snow White and the Evil Queen
@swirl..9727
11 күн бұрын
THANK YOU!! SAY IT LOUDER!! The fandom should notice by now that the way Apple is written is literally morally gray, she's a genuine good person who wants the best for everyone but does the wrong/bad actions bcuz of how she was raised. Just bcuz people didn't get a clear example of Apple being manipulated doesn't mean it didn't happen when her mindset is the result of it, one could imagine how much manipulation she had behind closed doors with her mom esp the pressure and expectations she should obtain. But then again haters just love to cherry pick and dismiss it, ig it's easier for them to blame someone than look at the bigger picture and "have some empathy" to see where the problem is rooted all along and that should be people with mindsets like Snow White, the Evil Queen, Headmaster Grimm, the White family etc.
@lestell2158
9 күн бұрын
Every time Apple has some form of redemption, she always ruins it she has her. I'm sorry moments and then turns around and it's just herself all over again. Apple is just too apple is that's just what it is and she's not a good person. She thinks she's a good person, but she's so self-centered and narcissistic that she can't even see that she's not. And sadly there's no cure for narcissism
@swirl..9727
9 күн бұрын
@@lestell2158 I think we can blame the writers for that since Apple finally came around in Way Too Wonderland and Raven has successfully rewritten destiny so that conflict should've been over by now but then they went back to square one in Dragon Games (could've just released MH x EAH crossover first tho imo). Don't get me wrong cuz as much as I love the movie, they could've handled Apple's arc there better where we see her being manipulated not just Snow White but like her whole White Family as well cue her quote how much she value their family tradition as her fam slowly doubts her becoming the next Snow White since she's not as close minded as she was for the rebels. We gotta remember how wicked evil she was in Spring Unsprung when got cursed tho, yeah she's annoying to some but I think that movie just proves that even if Apple comes out as selfish due to the mindset she was raised- she's never selfish enough that can destroy the fairytale world w/o second thoughts
@morganmeadowes6861
9 күн бұрын
But she never got to change consistently and the writers never acknowledged her 'mistakes' as prejudiced and privileged, which meant her redemption arc kind of fell flat.
@KimirasIdioticMusicIndustry
3 ай бұрын
I feel like she has very traditional mindset, like you saw her reaction when she found out that Hunter and Ashleen (probably didn't wrote that right) were dating. She doesn't know what will happen if someone won't follow their destiny so she practically tries to force Raven to become like her mother, so Apple could have her happy ending
@namelesscreatureofthe
3 ай бұрын
It's giving Classism.
@Milkythefawn
2 ай бұрын
In the books, it’s because she was pushed into a well as a kid, and almost died. It gave her an immense fear of the unknown She feels like her destiny is the only thing keeping her-and the other royales safe. Honestly, I don’t blame her. Raven was equally selfish. Raven was fully prepared to erase apple white from existence solely because of what she wanted. Raven didn’t know if something would happen. She was literally willing to kill apple They’re both meant to be selfish
@LiverFailureJuice
Ай бұрын
That episode was a metaphor for homophobia in my mind
@garukong.
19 күн бұрын
@@Milkythefawn i don't think raven ever wanted apple to disappear? isn't it known that it'll just be raven who will disappear if she didn't sign her fate and not anyone else? it's just that apple indeed won't have the same happy ending like snow white did if that happened.
@Milkythefawn
18 күн бұрын
@@garukong. she def didn’t WANT apple to disappear… Raven is a good person.. but she was still willing to risk it by not signing the book. The exact wording was “If you don't sign, your story disappears-poof!-and you may vanish into oblivion” It wasn’t exactly clear what that meant for apple
@elizabethlord8655
2 ай бұрын
I have never once defended apple, I have always called Apple selfish because she is
@mrscube5233
3 ай бұрын
There's a theory that Raven and Apple were switched at birth and honestly is checks out. Their personalities match up and the Evil queen had white hair like apple in the books
@ariana1042
3 ай бұрын
Oh definitely this girl has to be the evil queens daughter
@SnickerDoodleBug05
3 ай бұрын
This would be hilarious
@saigecade5830
3 ай бұрын
But Snow White isn’t much better in the show. Raven turned out better than both moms if you ask me.
@luxlucky9247
2 ай бұрын
Apple doesn't have powers but Raven does like the evil queen. Snow white also doesn't have powers
@mimi_popu
2 ай бұрын
Although it's an interesting theory, I personally hate it. It discredts the fact Raven is kind and sweet, regardless of who her parents are, and that Apple (a genreally morally grey character) can make selfish decisions *despite* being the child of Snow White.
@Vgjhkbtucru
2 ай бұрын
I acknowledge she is a complex character with a struggles, especially with all the pressure she's being out under... But goddamn does somebody gotta smack this girl
@GraceTakeu
4 күн бұрын
Amen sister 😂
@Mira_Simmons05
Ай бұрын
What's worse is that she says she knows her story like the back of her hand. So she knows that Raven will be kicked out of the kingdom, imprisoned, and killed if Raven follows her destiny and does the power-hungry, evil stuff her mom does. So she's basically telling Raven, "You may be my friend now, but i REALLY want you to poison me so it eventually leads to your death" 😊👍
@Lulu_Loves_Sheep
16 күн бұрын
I didn't know they would kill her😰 Or maybe that's only stated in the books (I've only seen the show and they don't kill her)
@Mira_Simmons05
15 күн бұрын
@@Lulu_Loves_Sheep imprison/kill her. In the show I guess it’s just imprison but in the actual story the evil queen dies
@Lulu_Loves_Sheep
15 күн бұрын
@@Mira_Simmons05 ughhh this system is so messed uppp
@Mira_Simmons05
15 күн бұрын
@@Lulu_Loves_Sheep in the original story/movie of Snow White the evil queen falls of a cliff after lightning breaks it when she’s trying to move a boulder to crush the dwarves. Which is why I said leads to her death. Idk about the original Grimm story but In the show ig she’s only imprisoned so yeah the system sucks. Apple is a terrible friend who doesn’t realize that the stories only benefit the royal while most of the rebels would either die or be imprisoned
@Lulu_Loves_Sheep
15 күн бұрын
@@Mira_Simmons05 Imo the ones who suck the most are Headmaster Grimm and Snow White. HMG for planting the idea into Apple and Raven's heads that if they don't follow their fairytale, they will die. That's fear mongering. (Which is sort of true considering fairies have been *poofing.*) And clear signs of favoritism and literally locking his brother in what's practically a basement and taking away his ability to properly speak. SW for hammering the idea into her daughter's head that her entire worth is based on whether she follows her mum's path and placing unhelpful and unhealthy expectations of perfection
@yellowtomato854
3 ай бұрын
Honestly i like apple more in the books she actually helps raven a lot more amd yes she can still be shitty i haven't finished the book yet but so far apple seems way better in the books compared to the movies and it gives a lot more backstory on ravens past too which i absolutely love :D i also fully believe raven and apple were switched at birth there is so much stuff that makes it so believable
@yellowtomato854
3 ай бұрын
She also in the book did think she would go poof if raven didn't sign it like she literally thought she was going to die so in the book i defend her in the show tho i do think its kinda stupid she still wants raven to sign even after not going poof and having prove that no she isn't going to die
@yellowtomato854
3 ай бұрын
Show* not movies
@violetshock2026
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, book apple was so much better
@neemibronstein303
Ай бұрын
Also, the books delve much more into Apple's fear of death. Say what you will about her, but that well story would've messed me up too.
@millytheotterlover1680
Ай бұрын
Can I get some book titles, cuz I didn't know this show was based on a book, and now I MUST read it.
@mystix_kathrina
2 ай бұрын
And the fact that she wanted her friend to break up with her boyfriend just because she didnt approve of him since hes not royal. She also invalidated and disregarded Briars feelings towards her curse, because "i have to be cursed too, youre not special🥺" not what she said but its what she meant. She pisses me off SO BAD since i was little kid.
@jojocoolkid4062
21 күн бұрын
That’s not true she only reason she acted that way is because she didn’t want both of their stories to close if something happens in the future she said it herself and dealt with it at the true hearts day thing
@vixithespiderling
14 сағат бұрын
FR that woman gave me anger issues ✋😭 never have i ever wanted to strangle somebody so much when i was a CHILD (i still do but we won’t talk about that 🫣)
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
2 ай бұрын
Remember in Dragon Games where she KNOCKED Darling(her prince charming's sister! Btw!) Off of her Dragon then acted shocked by her own actions? Then said " My friends are getting hurt because of YOU" to the Evil Queen?
@daydreamer4971
Ай бұрын
Omg I completely forgot about this!!
@jazziethunderheart718
21 күн бұрын
And people religiously ship her and Darling together. Absolutely not Darling deserves better.
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
21 күн бұрын
@jazziethunderheart718 Daring and Dexter also should have had a reaction to that! They should have been so mad at Apple! I bet they would have been SHOOK cause, at least to them, Apple is a nice person.
@stinkymrsnow..............
3 күн бұрын
@@jazziethunderheart718Honestly Darling should’ve ended up with Ginger
@shamiyahzow8525
3 күн бұрын
Daring Isn't Her Prince though....He's Rosabella's and Dexter is Obviously a Supposed to Be with Raven....So...
@crazypegasie9748
23 күн бұрын
This is kinda why i think the novels are great. They give more context to Apple's behaviour. When she was a child she literally almost drowned and ended up so scared of unpredictable things. Because at least in her story, she knows whats going to happen and that gives her security. Not to mention that every single adult around her is just reinforcing that, ESPECIALLY Headmaster Grimm. Hes essentially manipulating her into surveilling Raven for him which is all levels of f*cked, also lots, and I mean LOTS of guilt tripping. I feel like people forget Apple is still a teen and easily swayed. Not to mention, she does have a whole character arc. Her problem is just that sometimes she doesnt quite realize that other people might NOT be happy with her destiny as she is, because she was raised to not question the status quo. Book Apple even states that if she were raised as the next evil queen, she'd also happily do that as much as she does now. Heck, she even risks her life in the book to go with Raven to convince her, so nothing bad happens to Raven and anyone else in case she makes the wrong call. WE, as the audience know no one will go poof and its just the headmaster trying to scare them into signing, but the CHARACTERS dont know that In my opinion, she's just a sheltered kid who doesnt have much social awareness, but nonetheless really cares about the people around her. The show doesn't quite do it AS well as the novels, but still. TLDR: Apple isnt the problem. Its always been Milton mf Grimm
@isaacwall4951
2 күн бұрын
Of course, Thronecoming showed why he thinks the way he does. When he and his brother were kids. If you've seen the special, you know what I mean.
@randomcrapimake6593
2 ай бұрын
I love Apple, she a really good character. Written wise, her writing is amazing her design is lovely, but her actions- wtf Gurl
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
2 ай бұрын
Same
@thedorkone1516
2 ай бұрын
All of that is what makes her a fantastic antagonist and foil to both Raven and, to a lesser extent, Briar. She's sweet, kind... and perfectly willing to see the lives of people she loves destroyed for "the greater good" and most especially her own happily ever after.
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
2 ай бұрын
@thedorkone1516 Yeah, I like Apple, but she's definitely really tone-deaf and isn't really clued into other people's issues. She really doesn't understand why her friends Raven and Briar wouldn't be looking forward to their stories because they don't exactly have happy endings. I was so vindicated when Briar called her out.
@randomcrapimake6593
2 ай бұрын
@@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241 Briar calling her out was so satisfying
@lillianblack8749
3 ай бұрын
Yeah like she’s awful and she also like really made Briar upset because she can’t think of anyone but herself. Like yeah no shit she’s upset she spends her entire time at high school partying cause “if I’m gonna sleep for 100 years I gotta live it up now”. How do you not realize that she is terrified of her destiny like she’s gonna fall asleep and all of her friends are gonna be dead when she wakes up.
@malachicarter712
2 ай бұрын
Exactly and Apple's only response to Briar expressing her fears of going through with it, is essentially telling her to get over it by saying "we all have our part to play."
@lunaguy1195
2 ай бұрын
@malachicarter712 And for that, she deserves Briar's reply, "Easy for you to say. How long do you fall asleep for? A week??”
@Frog_Artist_
2 ай бұрын
@@lunaguy1195She ate with that line. I agree tho. Apple sleeps for a short period of time while most people have to go through abuse and trauma before they can get their happily ever after, assuming they get one
@desiree7633
Ай бұрын
@lunaguy1195 this line lives in my head rent free with no bills 🤣
@severigne_m7652
19 күн бұрын
@@Frog_Artist_Fr like it was so easy for Apple exactly because she sleeps through all the traumatic events and wakes up already in her Happily Ever After. Briar's destiny is essentially the same but the difference is that by the time she wakes up, it's not as happy because her parents, her family, her friends would all be gone and she'll be stuck in a new world with a stranger for a Happily ever after that isnt really "Happy"
@seafairyclips
3 ай бұрын
She fr calls Raven selfish despite only thinking about her own future for half of the episodes and never thinking about how Raven feels. Like girl doesn't wanna be shunned and trapped in a mirror she just wants to vibe you can't blame her
@yuki.thatsall.
2 ай бұрын
But at the same time she was told that you’d cease to exist if you didn’t follow your destiny, and without Raven she literally CAN’T.
@Milkythefawn
2 ай бұрын
Yes, but let’s not forget everyone thought it would make you dissapear. Raven was also only thinking about herself. If apple had been right, Raven would have killed both herself AND apple. Raven literally was willing to risk apple DYING, because she wanted to choose her destiny. How is that less selfish? Atleast apple thinks she’s helping people, Raven was willing to sacrifice apples life…
@justhello4096
Ай бұрын
@Milkythefawn ehh not really Raven didn't believe that they all would go poof with good reason too,cause head master Grim was tripping with the shit he made her see as "her" destiny and the destiny of her friends including Apples if she doesn't follow through (which was really bad) and she eventually found out shit wasn't adding up and head master Grim was making it up , before when she did saw that alternative reality she was more than willing to sign the book to prevent the future she saw from head master Grim. so to say that Raven would risk Appel's life is just plain wrong
@Milkythefawn
Ай бұрын
@@justhello4096 I think she did originally believe that. Because everyone believed it. Also, apple and the headmaster weren’t entirely wrong.. In EAH canon, when people don’t follow their destinies, it kills the fairies. Choosing your own destiny DOES actually make some people go “poof” Raven and apple are very similar in that they’re both kinda selfish when it comes to their destinys Would Raven still want to choose her own destiny knowing that a fairy will die? I honestly don’t know. Maybe you’re right and she wouldn’t.
@shamelesssimping01
Ай бұрын
@@MilkythefawnNever thought of it that way 😧
@SimpsForSkeletons
2 ай бұрын
Apple's a flawed character!!!!!! She was born to be the literal queen of like everyone, she was promised security for her entire life as long as she was just perfect. Like obviously rooting for your friend's downfall is not great and she isn't great she IS selfish and she IS also under a lot of pressure, and to her knowledge Raven is playing with people's lives, she's being told that if Raven isn't a horrible person they will all die, she doesn't want anyone to die she's flawed, she grows (not as much as she should've but whatever)
@Error-bh3gg
2 ай бұрын
YOU GET IT!!! Also like at the very beginning of the show Apple straight up does not care that Raven wanted and was all set up to room with Maddie and then decorates Ravens side of the room with her vision of what she wants Raven to be. Apple is just awful.
@internetperson3228
2 ай бұрын
YES THANK YOU!!! ITS RIDICULOUS HOW SHE KEEPS ACTING LIKE SHES SO SWEET LIKE GIRL!! YOURE THE PROBLEM
@awesomeperson5676
3 ай бұрын
Saw a theory that Raven and Apple were switched at birth making Raven snow whites and Apple the evil queens.
@victorlannister5606
3 ай бұрын
Honestly that make more sense in the books but the evil queen does relate to Apple more in temperament but honestly Snow White isn’t all that great either. Constantly checking her daughter’s popularity and criticizing even the smallest dip. She like mommy blogger or a family blogger.
@Trashsuit
3 ай бұрын
I wonder if she'd still be a royal if she was the one who had to poison Raven instead of the other way around
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
2 ай бұрын
@@TrashsuitIn The books Raven says that even if Apple had to play a villain she'd be the best villain she could be!
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
2 ай бұрын
@@victorlannister5606Does having a similar personality to someone mean that you're related to them?
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
2 ай бұрын
It helps that Raven does actually spend more time with her other friends in the books. She and Apple are friends in the books, but not BEST friends. Like Raven's besties in the books are Cerise, Cedar, and Maddie, who ALL get much more focus as characters and their relationships with Raven. Likewise, Apple's besties are Ashlynn and Briar!
@victorlannister5606
3 ай бұрын
I think my biggest problem with Apple is that she never learns. And if she does it’s completely irrelevant after that special. The only time I can truly remember her actually canonically being aware of the situations she caused is after Dragon games; when she and Daring are confronted by the fact that they aren’t meant to be. Also technically didn’t Apple literally get what she wanted the evil queen poisoned her and her knight in shining armor saved her with a kiss? Isn’t that it? So it didn’t have to be Raven! If she’d grown from special to special and actually got to keep the character development they gave her I think she wouldn’t come off so crappy!
@drgnfsh9006
2 ай бұрын
There's also the fact that Apple literally does not care that the evil queen changed raven's destiny. She's not just supposed to be the evil queen anymore, she's supposed to do everything her mom did, everything that made her the most hated villain of ever after, everything that got her sent straight to mirror prison. But apple doesn't care because she wants her happily ever after and does not want to make a new happily ever after that includes raven and all her friends.
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
21 күн бұрын
@drgnfsh9006 Thank you bringing this up!!!!
@AvariParti
3 ай бұрын
And she voted Raven for prom because “I always win stuff like this” that gave me the ick
@rebeccareyes8978
Ай бұрын
Kitty: just wants to prank and laugh with friends Maddie: just a silly girl Darling: badass princess Ginger: just a baking queen Briar: doesn't want to sleep forever Lizzie: wants to be a good friend Raven: misunderstood sweetheart Apple: m a n i p u l a t i v e v i l l a i n
@ladybuggamer4479
2 ай бұрын
Bro I have been saying this forever. I don’t care she fell down a well. I don’t care she under a lot of pressure. I rather Raven take a chance at pure happiness and love then going through a life of misery just for Apple. It’s literally all about Apple in Snow White if that’s how the story went. Raven would be banished for doing what she was supposed to do and Apple becomes queen. How is that being kind? How is that caring for someone you love? I get not wanting to go poof, but if people of our time didn’t take their chances for freedom just to stick to the status quo a lot of us wouldn’t be here today. Raven as a character means so much to me. I love her so much. She was in self preservation mode and that’s fair if you see that’s your destiny. It’s what most of us would do. For me and Raven I rather take a chance and go poof than live a life of misery all because I was doing what my story told me to do. Because even if Raven did her part…SHE STILL GETS A CRAPPY LIFE! Same with freaking Brair! She sleeps for 100 years. Most of the people she loves and knows will be dead. She won’t even know her prince at all. All Apple has to say was, “We all have our part to play.” Like heck no I don’t want to be alone and know no one and when I wake up I have to try all over again like what? I get people who love Apple but I don’t get the hype. I see no kindness with wishing your friend the worst for your betterment.
@Echoingsunflowers981
2 ай бұрын
Ikr, everyone who says Raven is selfish don’t make sense. If I were her, I would also rather go poof than become the worst version of myself all for some princess getting her “happily ever after”
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
21 күн бұрын
@Echoingsunflowers981 Well, yeah, Raven gets ZERO freedom in her story, and in the books, it's even WORSE. Her mother, Headmaster Grimm, and Apple constantly remind her of her destiny. Ravens relationship with her father and her mother is complicated because her father is good (The Good King), and her mother isn't the show honestly missed an opportunity to contrast Ravens home life with Apple's homelife. Ravens' father isn't even MENTIONED in the show!!!
@vocaloidevil
2 күн бұрын
The thing is it was confirmed in the books that it wouldn't just be her own life that raven was messing with, but everyone connected to snow white. They were told if one character stepped out of line, everyone in the story would go poof. The entire story would cease to exist. It's one thing if it's only her life she's betting on, but this is the life of a lot of people. Not just raven and apple, but the huntsman, the seven dwarves, apples prince. And whose to say if it'd stop at just that one failed iteration. We as the audience know that it won't happen, but apple doesn't.
@tatiana2696
2 күн бұрын
Extremely shallow evaluation and this reeks of victim blaming ngl
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
2 күн бұрын
@tatiana2696 I don't think this analysis is shallow. However, I agree it does blame Apple for being a victim of falling down as well as a child. Anyone who enjoyed anxiety from Inside Out 2 should be able to enjoy Apple's character for what she represents.
@Torigirl848
3 ай бұрын
Apple is basically another version of Regina George
@TorresGaming5882
3 ай бұрын
YES THANK YOU SOMEONE AGREES
@Milkythefawn
2 ай бұрын
No she isn’t lmfao. She’s naive, and a control-freak, but she isn’t mean spirited. She does genuinely want the best for her friends, even though she doesn’t often understand why they want to choose their own destiny. Don’t forget, Raven was willing to sacrifice apple’s life to pick her own destiny. Raven was honestly more selfish/dangerous than apple. Apples just annoying, she isn’t mean
@SweetGem97
2 күн бұрын
How? 💀
@selfwai
Күн бұрын
@/Milkythefawn no Appel is the selfish one, Raven just wanted to be free. Her fairytale didn't end cause raven's didn't end seeing that nothing happened, if she knows her book like the back of her hand that she knows how Raven ends
@Sleepyhead618
2 ай бұрын
13 yo me used to rant about this... She claimed she didn't want everyone to go "poof" even though the only thing we ever heard her say was "I WON'T GET MY HAPPILY EVER AFTER!" Apple evil can't change my mind
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
21 күн бұрын
@Sleepyhead618 Have you read the books? Cause her motivations are deeper than that in the books, while still being selfish.
@Sleepyhead618
21 күн бұрын
@@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241 I haven't what are some
@user-jy1ub2cb7u
3 ай бұрын
Tbh I think that Apple is the most “relatable” character she has many flaws and I think that might be the reason the fandom doesn’t like her but there is a reason why she was made that way it’s to ad a contract to the perfect desteny that she has. But if you look into Apples character throughly it’s shown in the show that Apple does not like her destiny she also doesn’t like other’s destiny’s but she is to affraid to do anything about it she tries to save everyone from literally dying because she thinks that’s her role she thinks that it’s her job to keep everything in balance. So if we’re going to hate anyone it should definitely be Snow White AKA Aples mother because she molded Apple in to the shape of a queen and a protector she made Apple like this. I definitely think that Apple had a lot of character development and that she is the “realest” character because she puts herself first just like we all do. No she doesn’t want for Raven to be the worst version of herself but she also doesn’t want to ruin her own life for sake of others. That’s why neither of them are in the right nor wrong and BOTH Raven and Apple are selfish
@MakaylaCartwright
3 ай бұрын
Exactly girl! People like that don't deserve a second chance. 💀😑
@stinkymrsnow..............
3 күн бұрын
What about Snow White and Headmaster Grimm? I’m not a huge Apple stan and I won’t deny that she did a lot of her friends dirty but the adults were literally pushing her into acting that way.
@LavenderBBBee
3 ай бұрын
Ok but I feel like a lot of the way she acts is pressure from her mother to be this perfect girl and that if Raven didn't do as she "needed" to Apple would be a dissapointment to her mother. She's not a bad person, she's one in a complicated situation, who eventually comes around to what's right.
@crealiv
2 ай бұрын
this video awakened a long dormant hatred within me thank you rosetta
@shadowrmidnight
Ай бұрын
The episode that made Apple the biggest hypocrite is the magic mirror one. The one where Raven accidentally curses her magic mirror and Apple has her make it up to her. Something that she shouldn't want since she wants Raven to be evil
@OpticalSorcerer
Ай бұрын
I say it all the time: the show advertised itself as more nuanced as it was. The Royals were often written as problematic and unlikeable so you wouldn't feel bad for a guarenteed future being taken away from them.
@user-ic8ro4wr5i
3 ай бұрын
OK I understand that and I really feel like they need like ever after high needs some more series like some more chapters. Just to see like the girls. Raven and the others like how their future's gonna be.
@coolbeans1122
2 ай бұрын
there’s books you can read
@alyssagardea1074
2 ай бұрын
Yeah I can agree with that but I also see the other side of the story Apple just wants to protect her friends and yes she does see Raven as a friend but she also just wants to protect her too even though their story is cruel she doesn't know what will happen when they go poop and that is a scary thought for all of them so even though it might be cruel she just wants to protect them I agree that's no way to protect somebody but still cuz in reality they have no idea what's going to happen when if Raven does not complete the story book and I do agree Raven's story is pretty messed up❤❤
@seraphlazuli6251
3 күн бұрын
This show desperately deserves a continuation.
@femdenki3076
3 ай бұрын
I both feel sorry and hate her like she was pressured a lot but she was also really mean but she’s also gay so I kinda like yhay
@sparkyballsfan
2 ай бұрын
I wished the show continued further so we could get more out of the story
@melpomenethemuse
2 ай бұрын
Yall cant tolerate characters who are written with flaws/preparing an arc for them and it SHOWS. the "selfish" moment was clearly shown with her in the wrong. She is supposed to be under false beliefs and expecting unfair things. If the show didnt get cancelled, she'd realize it as she was already starting to. IT WAS SETTING UP FOR CHARACTER GROWTH!! Plus she knew her whole life she would have massive trauma and the only way she could cope with that was focusing on her "happy ending'". Her world just SHATTERED. yes that's selfish but shes literally a child
@taegixsylay2397
Ай бұрын
Ever after high was the perfect display of breaking generational trauma. The whole point was for the royals and rebels to become the next version of their parents. Despite making friends or even more than that with their “evil” counterparts. Raven was all for breaking that generational curse because she never wanted to become her mother. She didn’t want to suffer the same fate as her mother. She also didn’t want the other rebels to suffer the same horrible fates. However Apple did. Apple wanted to continue it because in the end it would always benefit her just like it would the other royals. Raven and Apple had reverse stories from their parents. The Evil Queen wanted to see Snow White fall. Apple wants to see Raven fall.
@madamplatypus313
Күн бұрын
It’s the same as those older generations IRL going “Everyone should suffer like I did”, and I’ve always thought it had horrifying implications in EAH’s context. (For example, the ball and prince are Cinderella’s escape from her abusive family, so what’s gonna happen to Ashlyn to make a comparable story?)
@piperthomas2053
2 ай бұрын
She even called raven selfish for not wanting to be a monster 😢
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
2 ай бұрын
She called Raven Selfish for not wanting to follow a Destiny where everyone would hate her for doing what she was told. So yeah. It's pretty bad of her
@Milkythefawn
2 ай бұрын
Raven WAS selfish tbh. Remember, everyone thought that it would make people disappear if they didn’t sign it. Raven chose not to sign the book, knowing that apple could die. Raven literally carelessly threw other people’s LIVES on the line
@alchemysaga3745
2 ай бұрын
@@MilkythefawnSo did Apple. Part of Raven's destiny WOULD be to kill people. Even when there's evidence to the contrary, Apple _chooses_ to deny _OTHERS_ their rights to autonomy. At that point, her own being equally endangered is just fair play. Raven tries to find ways around it for everyone. Apple would rather force her beliefs on other people than let them try to have ANY other kind of fate.
@Milkythefawn
2 ай бұрын
@@alchemysaga3745 yea, but Raven didn’t know what would happen. She risked everyone’s lives not knowing.
@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
Ай бұрын
@alchemysaga3745 This! This is what people don't get about Raven. She WILL try to find a way to make everyone happy! Apple is scared and desperate, but because of this, she's willing to accept other people who will have to play a role they don't want for her needs. Just because it's understandable doesn't mean it's not selfish. Raven, in the throne coming, WAS going to sign the storybook of Legends until she found out it wasn't the REAL one!
@natsumie.williams3931
2 ай бұрын
Ok but you have to understand Apple thought that if Raven does not follow her legacy she will go poof, disappear out of existence. Also in the books it's explained more that the reason Apple is so into following in destiny is because as a kid she once disobeyed to not play in a well and when she did she fell down and almost drowned. I'm not excusing her actions but from her perspective if Raven doesn't sign then she will go into oblivion, also it's her character arc. If she wasn't flawed then how would she grow? As a kid I used to hate her but as I grew I saw the nuance in the series. They're both not in the right but also in the right, Raven wants to find her own happily ever after but by doing that she takes away Apple's happily ever after, and Apple in wanting her happily ever after and having Raven not go poof she doesn't realize she's taking Raven's own happiness.
@NearsightedNarhwal
2 ай бұрын
Ive never felt so seen by a KZitem short before oh my god
@blackrosejinx5563
3 ай бұрын
LITERALLY. Even after the whole book of legends thing was confirmed to be bullshit Apple STILL tried to sabotage Raven every chance she got purely to live out her happily every after THAT SHE WOULD’VE GOTTEN REGARDLESS. She had zero reason or excuse to be that big a bitch
@Whitelilyyxy
Ай бұрын
"she has done nothing to deserve the luxury" theres a whole episode dedicated to how shes constantly helping others and she literally says herself that she wishes ppl saw her beauty not just on the outside but on the inside too
@macadamianutt9491
28 күн бұрын
But she literally sabotaged Raven’s life so she could get her happily ever after while Raven gets imprisoned? That’s not being selfless and just shows her true colors. Ntm all the times she’s disregarded Raven’s feelings and personality trying to turn her into something she’s not. If you ask me she’s pretty damn ugly inside too.
@S4KIIZ
5 күн бұрын
literally like only thing apple has done was be selfish, aren't most children?? also they completely skip her character development
@S4KIIZ
5 күн бұрын
also wasn't raven going to sacrifice apple's own life too??? they're both equally as selfish in my opinion
@selfwai
Күн бұрын
@@S4KIIZ I don't understand, I haven't seen the show since I was a kid. Can you explain
@queenmarshmallow8013
2 ай бұрын
I thought that was the whole point, like you weren't supposed to agree with some of the things she does even if you could understand her worries
@ammukuttygeorgekollengara4725
2 ай бұрын
I literally was in shambles when i learnt both me and appla had the same birthday.never in my life have i wanted to be born on a different day
@neelam2166
3 ай бұрын
!!SAME GIRL SAME!! Raven deserves better
@Milkythefawn
2 ай бұрын
What? Raven chose not to follow her destiny, knowing it could kill apple. She literally played around with ppls lives, because she wanted to change her destiny. Raven is just as bad and selfish as apple
@Yami-mugoni613
Күн бұрын
@@Milkythefawnbro Raven literally have the destiny of being just a big villain as mother and being screwed over
@ariaphoenix2760
17 күн бұрын
I’m sad that the episodes didn’t include her backstory because she does have a bit of an explanation for her behavior in the books. When Apple was 5 years old, she fell into a well and nearly drowned. She was stuck in there for several hours, calling for help and scratching at the slick walls. Having been told her entire life that her story was set out for her, this traumatic experience hammered that in and she thinks that she never wants herself or anyone she cares about to feel the fear and panic of not knowing what’s going to happen to you ever again. This is what scares her so much about Raven’s ideology, if her story is taken away she has no guarantee that she won’t end up right back in that well.
@user-zi9hk6mm1p
2 ай бұрын
The thing that always has confused me is that in the royal high version the evil queen is more powerful than maleficent but in the Disney version its the opposite 😅😊😂❤
@armiesgachastudios1534
3 ай бұрын
OMG FINALLY😭 I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE APPLE
@emiliereal1520
Ай бұрын
I think it’s really about the world that they live in. Her environment has caused her to think in a certain way and act in accordance to that. Before we put all the blame on her, we need to address the flaws of the world and how it might affected her to understand why she acted in this way.
@SOMAILAFOREVERR
21 күн бұрын
Exactly Just because raven wants to choose her own story doesnt means ur is gonna be ruined
@oliviaoborne576
2 ай бұрын
Bro I wa spissed at apple from the jump like how can I like a character that you present to us as a selfish princess from the jump
@wilhelmina3053
2 ай бұрын
And on the switched at birth theory, much like the original Snow White Raven was raised by the evil queen and her kindly father. Which also technically makes her Apple’s aunt but that’s messy.
@pudimchibisama168
2 ай бұрын
The worst thing is that the apple is a clueless girl she did harm to the raven and others, the girl of the black swan (I forgot the name) in a presentation they would make about their stories she obviously would do a ballet after all IS THE LAKE OF THE SWANS! But the sweet princess stole her idea! ( read about it in a book about the swan) Man Apple is just so insufferable she does a lot of selfish things but rarely Baer the consequences
@shamiyahzow8525
3 күн бұрын
Duchess is the Daughter of Odette/Swan Princess/Current Swan Queen not the Black Swan Odile,I know it's Pretty Confusing Cause Her Swan Form Has Black Feathers instead of White But She's Not Odile's Daughter.
@pudimchibisama168
3 күн бұрын
@@shamiyahzow8525 thank you for explaining that detail is very confusing, she is always doing bad things and is portrayed as a egotistical person so I was wondering if she was the black swan or not
@shamiyahzow8525
3 күн бұрын
@@pudimchibisama168 She Does Bad things Cause the Swan Lake Story Ending is Actually Quite Tragic as After the Prince Fails to Break the Curse and Being Tricked into Falling for the Wrong Girl Duchess would be Cursed to Stay a Swan Forever and Not wanting to Live Like that Duchess and Her Prince(Out of Guilt..) Drown themselves to death which is a Extremly Unfortunate ending and Cause of that Duchess Tries to Steal Happily ever after's from the Princesses She Feels Don't Deserve it.
@evelinwoods1001
2 күн бұрын
You’re so real for this justice for raven truely
@Disinfectant_Wipe
11 күн бұрын
I like apple not in spite of her flaws but BECAUSE of them. I always thought she was a good example of how the story book system messed with people's heads, and I appreciate her for always at least trying her best in spite of it. I wish she got a cleaner redemption arc before the show ended but she had enough for me to fill in the gaps and i love her for what she is.
@candybar9602
2 ай бұрын
The thing is that they are raised to litterly turn into there parents Apple is the one who takes it to the extreem verses raven dosnt even want to do it If you look at all the other chariters they know how they are ment to be and they want to live there lives before then
@candybar9602
2 ай бұрын
Also I believe the headmaster had told them they would cease to exist if there story didn't go as planned so apple would be understandable because she may have been worried about not wanting to die
@renraven1907
3 ай бұрын
It's toxic to show apple has a "good" friend. She isn't, and kids' shows need to stop telling kids it's okay to keep toxic ass friends.
@Ambrosius_art
2 ай бұрын
Ok but one though allot of people hate apple I am her biggest defender, cause one, I can understand why people hate her, I get it, she’s selfish, narcissistic, arrogant, and overall appears to care not for the well being of others but honestly I think not only is her design really pretty but she’s also very well written and in a sense relatable to me. And honestly I feel like people should see it from both sides, like in apples part imagine if someone said that all your dreams would come true if you just sign a paper, I’m pretty sure all of us would be like Apple if we believed that to be true, not to mention how this girl had practically the whole world looking at her to become queen and it was her soul ambition to do so only for Raven to back out of her destiny. So I perfectly understand why Apple does the things she does, if I was told that all I had to do was get poisoned and I’d wake up king and mad wealthy I’d be doing the same shit to try and make that happen, not to mention her mothers helicopter parenting.((btw helicopter parenting is a form of parenting to where you plan out the entire life of your child to the point where they don’t know how to make decisions on their own)) and back to her driving ambition to become queen of her destiny I honestly think it was cool to see how far she would go in order to get her destiny in dragon games and she had major character development by realizing the flaws in her mindset afterwards. To summarize, both Raven and Apple are selfish depending on how you look at it, and I hate how people boil down Apple to being a narcissistic princess when both of them have flaws.
@geekchic8798
Ай бұрын
Not only that, Apple didn't put Briar Beauty's feelings into consideration either. If Briar signed her name in the book, she would be under a sleeping curse for a century, she wouldn't be able to grow old with her friends and so on.
@rachellanigan3761
6 күн бұрын
Ashlynn also broke up with Hunter purely because Apple said she didn't like them together. Like GIRL- it'd be one thing if Hunter is an ass, but he genuinely cares about Ashlynn and treats her so well
@scarletrevon522
3 күн бұрын
And this is why I wish ever after high finished cause then we could fully see how her character arch would have been. Although as you said their isn’t anything to make up for what she’s done or her mentality
@larkhampton6479
2 ай бұрын
I say this every time. I hated apple even as a kid. I had a raven doll and refused to play with my sisters apple doll. We changed her hair and made her a new character because we disliked her so much
@mintythedragonwitch6652
Ай бұрын
She thought she was gonna dissappear out of existence
@autumnmccullough8187
5 күн бұрын
I completely agree! Apple is more of a villain than anyone on this show .
@wrenn5734
Күн бұрын
YEEEEEESSSSSS That's why EAH is so good. It's so complicated. Apple is Snow White's daughter, who was such a sweet kind girl, and Apple too is very much sweet and kind, but just like you said she wants the worst for her friend to gain luxury for herself? ALSO SHE WAS THE ONE WHO LET OUT THE EVIL QUEEN!!! The roles are reversed, and i absolutely love it. It doesn't play by the status quo, and that's what i love about EAH.
@Ash_3580
4 күн бұрын
And it wasn't even just Raven she picked on like this.. Briar and Ashlyn definitely did too. Briar for the book and also not wanting to sign and Ashlyn for loving somebody that she apparently wasn't supposed to
@puttingthemid_inMidzy
3 күн бұрын
Raven's whole thing was literally "I don't want to hurt you" Apple wants to be like their parents, because she's scared of what will happen to everyone if they don't follow their stories. Raven doesn't want to be like their parents because she's scared of what will happen to the people she loves if they do.
@unngjerde5064
4 күн бұрын
Raven: I don't want to poison people. Apple:😡 Ashleen: I want to date who I want. Apple:👹
@mckayleepugmire9947
Ай бұрын
I feel like how this story is told opens and models this exact discussion. I believe Raven is objectively in the right, she should get an opportunity to choose what kind of person she is. However, easily half if not more of the other stories, including Apple's, will not happen if Raven doesn't follow her story. Apple understands this, and whatever lore ends up saying late in the series, the pilot made it clear Apple likes and wants the ending her story promises, she thinks the current system benefits her (I don't think it really does because of what a Snow White goes through in the middle of the story, but she either has rose colored glasses or an optimistic outlook about that), so Raven's decision is a threat to Apple, who seems to have built her identity around her story. I think Apple wants to be the pure and virtuous princess her story requires, and that reflects in how she interacts with Raven, but ultimately she's unwilling to consider a different future for herself (maybe she's scared of having to figure out her own future instead of having it sketched out specifically) so that also reflects in how she interacts with Raven.
@waterdragon55
Күн бұрын
Thts why she does become a better kind of better person in the end seasons whenever she changes so atleast she understands in the future
@selahholmes3978
16 сағат бұрын
I’ve never watched this show but my sister has and she 100% agrees and told me all about how rude and entitled this girl was. OPP!!!
@Freshieroleplays
3 ай бұрын
Apple is a nepo baby 😭
@outerspaceproduction
2 күн бұрын
REAL LIKE SHE IS THE EMBODIMENT OF ALL THE OPPS
@arielbujnowski3340
15 сағат бұрын
Oh My Glob, it's NOT just me!! I wasn't a fan of the Ever After High series, but I was always cheered Raven on.❤❤
@WisdomAndWar133
3 күн бұрын
She's definitely an antagonist, but I'd put her more as "spoiled brat" than "malicious evildoer."
@Tazziez
10 күн бұрын
I knew I hated Apple when Raven entered their dorm for the first time and we found out Apple requested to share a room with Raven without asking what Raven wants, and then if that wasn’t enough she decorated Ravens side FOR her without considering her feelings, and then she said that she wanted to share a room because Raven was important to HER story as though Apple was the only important person in story and the only one affected. Like she’s so narcissistic and she’s convinced herself that she’s actually a good person and she only cared about the whole destiny thing for everyone else’s sake when she shown time and time again that she only cares about herself. This was kinda a rant but like I hate her so much
@DreamerInDisguise
14 күн бұрын
What really got to me about the whole series is how it seemed like a times Apple was finally starting to see Ravens point of view and everything only to back track again and again
@kimikolee7313
3 күн бұрын
Anytime people defend her, I bring up the Valentines special where she and Ashlyn start talking and Apple says “this is hard for ME, which is saying a lot because I normally take things very well” like GIRL you threw a WHOLE TANTRUM on Legacy Day and caused half the school to overwhelm Raven into freezing everybody’s bodies. And why you making Ashlyn and Hunter’s struggle about you? How is it hard for you? Your legacy ain’t on the line, Ashlyn’s is! What could you possibly gain or lose for their relationship? And need I remind y’all Apple defenders, GIRL STILL DIDNT LEARN HER LESSON AFTER WONDERLAND!!! She KNEW the Book was bad news when Courtly tried to STEAL Lizzie and Raven’s destinies! And yet she STILL had the nerve to try to convince Raven to forgive her mother despite knowing the Evil Queen must have ulterior motives. Like, she’s an A+ student but is too naive to think “hm, the greatest villain in all of fantasy just wants to be with her daughter, not take over the world or anything”. Like, NO, she knew the Evil Queen was bad news! But in order to not get in trouble, she basically hid the fact she freed her and tried to cover it up, which only led to the Evil Queen and her mother duking it out in Dragon Games and hence the whole arc happening! Apple is selfish, spoiled, and not a character I enjoy watching. She annoys the crap out of me, but I think that’s the point. I think she’s meant to be a bad character so this way people develop empathic connection to Raven
@CH33ZE_B4LLS
2 ай бұрын
SPEAK YO SHIT QUEEN💥💥
@JohnathanDavisstoothpaste
2 ай бұрын
FR never really liked apple all that much 💀😭
@chuu3u
3 күн бұрын
I LOVE APPLE she is my goat i love her i love that she’s selfish and only wants what’s best for her she’s written so so so so well
@theultimitelifeform8548
3 күн бұрын
I honestly genuinely love the writing of Apple and Raven. All the time I’ll see the trope of “‘evil’ person everyone hates is actually really kind and good, while perfect person everyone loves is actually evil”. But most of the time the perfect secretly evil person is just mindless evil and boring. But Apple genuinely thinks she’s a good person, she’s been taught all her life to think a certain way and Raven, her future rival suddenly changed all that. Of course she’d try to cling to the notion of her being good and Raven being evil because it’s all she knows. Remember Raven was one of the firsts to want to write their own story so this is a relatively new thing especially to Apple and her traditionalist mother. I’m not defending Apple but I’m saying she’s one of the few examples of her character trope being done right and I love it
@biaaaur
3 ай бұрын
I hatw her but her design is so gorgeus agahhsgsgag
@pina_nina_fresa
Ай бұрын
Not to mention the whole "Ashlynn, i cant believe you arent thinking about how your relationship affects MEEEEE"
@oliviajeanne7709
2 күн бұрын
Apple was always the selfish and rude one in this and I loved Raven for sticking up for herself and letting others do what they want
@3R3456
2 күн бұрын
Raven had 99 problems and Apple caused every single one of them. Except for maybe her being her mom's daughter.
@chaosstudio_jackie2623
7 күн бұрын
THANK YOU!!! IM SO GLAD SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT!!! I literally stopped watching the show because Apple was such a jerk. Raven deserves better
@AkaneEdlts
3 ай бұрын
I never really liked apple because of the fact she always thought raven was selfish because she wanted to make her own happily ever after but honesty i think its okay for raven to want that, if she doesnt want to be forced to go through a destiny she doesnt want then she shoulfnt have to, its her story to write but i can kind of get apples point a bit
@maddnesswonderland
Күн бұрын
YES!!! PREACH! I thought she was gonna change and get redeemed but it looks like she never did.
@user-pq6ri3lt6x
3 күн бұрын
GIRL I AM WITH YOU ON THIS!
@nataliawashington872
Ай бұрын
I always felt bad for Apple and the other students as well, I find it crazy that she is just out here begging Raven to poison her, like she is out here wishing harm on herself and nobody is batting an eye to that, prolly only Briar is like “this is crazy, why am I wishing that I go into a coma for 100 years”, like what kind of grooming is EAH have that their wishing harm to themselves in order to get better lives. Like that’s wanting to get stabbed, and in return you become a millionaire
@Vixennn_n
2 күн бұрын
This is the point of Apple’s character, she’s supposed to be shown as selfish. She has a whole character arc about this. Showing that she’s not the person she think she is, that she was the wrong one. This is the point everyone is missing.
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