As always, really great analysis, Michael. Thank you.
@VocalWisdomcom
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@gs07007
3 ай бұрын
Hey, I’m Georg and about 3 years ago I injured my voice while singing. For about 2 years I haven’t been able to talk without pain and swelling feeling at all so I’ve not talked at all. I’ve consulted with my doctors and they’ve told me to exercise speaking regularly even if there’s pain but I want to spread my story to get second opinions. I used to sing a lot for several years before my injury. Some days even about 3 hours a day. Went to singing school sometimes, learn a bit of the (CVT vocal technique) One evening, I started to sing and my voice was not that great that day and I also drank a milk product before what causes my throat to produce a lot of mucus and thick feeling. I tried to sing one high note, but I couldn't reach it, so I squeezed my neck and vocal chords to get that high note and that’s how I injured my voice. From that day on my vocal injury has gone worse to the point that for 2 years now, I haven’t been speaking at all. Just a couple of words in one year. The reason for it is now when I speak, my vocal chords and thyroid area get “swollen” and painful(nerve pinching pain). I put swollen in brackets, because I’ve been to a laryngoscope and the camera didn’t detect any swelling in my vocal chords when they looked at it. And also they didn’t find anything other than couple of granulomas(not on the vocal chords) which could have been caused by some food intolerance. The vocal chords were just weak and atrophied. Going back to 2021 when I firstly injured my voice. The symptoms then were similar, there was the swelling feeling, and nerve pain. (it’s really weird to me that there was no swelling detected on camera, because when I get the swelling feeling, my whole throat feels so swollen. I even got a thyroid ultrasound, but nothing was detected there) So back then, basically I still could use my voice after the injury. So I had to not speak for a couple of weeks and then the swelling feeling went away. And I could practice again and talk. But as time went on. The swelling came back and back. I gave it more and more rest, to make the swelling go away.(one doctor back then even said that don’t stop speaking, but for me it didn’t make sense cause my throat felt so swollen and nerve pinching pain was quite bad). So I gave it more and more rest and as the time went on, about a year from the injury, I could only speak about 20 minutes a day. And it was difficult to avoid the swelling feeling and pain away, so I gave it more and more rest, until it became so bad that last year I couldn’t even laugh and this swelling feeling came back. It has since got minimally better now, but still I can only laugh about 5 times a day or less. My question is, if I start to practice again and ignore the swelling feeling in my throat and the nerve pain, would it injure me even more. That’s what I’m worried about. If someone told me that “100%, you will not injure your voice more when practicing through the pain”, then I would start. The last doctor said exactly that, but I needed to get a second opinion somewhere else, because I’m scared to injure my vocal chords even worse, to the point that I could lose my vocal chords forever. Thank you for reading it the whole way through and I would love to hear your opinion! Thank you in advance! :)
@VocalWisdomcom
6 күн бұрын
Sorry for not monitoring these comments very closely. I'm sorry to hear of your difficulties. This does sound pretty serious, but your exams don't really show anything. That leads me to believe it is more of a muscular issue and not a vocal fold one. There really is no way for me to give you accurate advice without hearing you try some things, but you said it started after squeezing your way up to a high note. That also makes me think of muscles. So I would guess that you folds are probably OK but your muscles around you larynx are overactive. You may have strained them as well. But that should heal after the amount of time since the injury. I would start with some sighing, quiet and gentle. Think of a slow exhale. You absolutely do not want to go for any strength or power at this stage. Any effort will activate the muscles that are the problem. Try the sighing in a comfortable medium to low pitch range on an ah vowel. Then try the same switching to oo as you explore a little higher, allowing the voice to change into head voice/falsetto as necessary. Never avoid head voice when you go higher. The oo form should let the vocalization be easy and avoid the overuse of the muscles around the larynx. Hope that helps get you started on the path back to health. The process can be slow and long, but it should be possible.
@adriannewman5881
6 жыл бұрын
great explanation cant believe this has only 109 hits.
@Markinsky
4 жыл бұрын
Hi, do you have any of your own singing posted online to hear how these concepts function when put into practical use. Thanks
@VocalWisdomcom
4 жыл бұрын
No, but that is something I plan on doing in the near future. Thanks!
@VIDEOHEREBOB
6 жыл бұрын
Mike, with all due respect, do you sing any Rock music? Any Motown? Do you belt? What you're saying here, correct me if I'm wrong is support/appoggio whatever term you want to use creates or instigates a condition of breath force. Support, done correctly actually does the exact opposite. It trains controlled exhalation. Any singer that experiences breath force or excessive subglottal breath pressure is not supporting. If you need to sing a rich, powerful, resonant, A4, (for example) in a Rock mode and you aren't supporting (correctly), you will not have the breath energy needed to power that note.
@janet2a
6 жыл бұрын
I will be interested in Michaels response.. as I feel he is talking not of a force, I felt that the one thing he stresses it is not, is force? but more of a state of balance where the energy from the air pressure in the lungs is feeding the vibration of the vocal folds. And this happens by their being not allowed to let a lot of air through? And you talk of breath energy.. which I though Michael is too? What I do not know though, is much of singing Rock music... and I can imagine you need very good and specific technique, support, to sing a powerful, resonant A4.
@janet2a
6 жыл бұрын
By the way Bob, I always see and really appreciate your responses to very many vocal technique presentations! 👍
@VocalWisdomcom
6 жыл бұрын
Those are not my main focus in my own singing. No. But I can do it to demonstrate for clients. Your statement kind of makes my argument. You use the term support like everyone should know what it means. But it doesn't have a universal definition. So I'm trying to explain the conditions in the body that we work with to coordinate our instrument. To me the names don't matter. The conditions do. And the style doesn't matter either. We are a person with a voice that wants to express something. It doesn't get any more complicated than that. We have the same equipment no matter what style of music we are singing. There are natural reflexes in the body and we need to learn how to coordinate them. If we don't we will have discomfort. I don't believe in a rock mode or an opera mode. And if you are saying that rock mode requires more strength or force or whatever than opera I will have to disagree. It just seems like it. But rock singing can get away with more mix, which is really a strongly resistant thin vibration. But that is outside of this discussion. What I'm trying to explain in this video is that there are two forces at play, the force of the breath and the force of resistance from the vibration of the vocal folds. Our job is to learn how to balance those forces to find a sense of equilibrium. That is when things are efficient and we get the most for the least. That is where effortlessness exists.
@adriannewman5881
6 жыл бұрын
you can support the voice with the larynx, that is what i think Micheal means.
@VocalWisdomcom
6 жыл бұрын
That is kind of the idea. But it is simpler than that even. The larynx is the voice. It supports itself. It has to in order to balance the force of pressure from the breathing. The force of pressure from the breathing instinctively goes against the larynx in order to express more intensely. If the larynx is not stable that air pressure will throw it off balance and the voice will be forced. The larynx is where the vocal folds are, and they are what vibrate to make the sound of the voice. If we disturb the larynx we will disrupt the vibration of the vocal folds and the whole situation will get messed up.
@jimjones3127
3 жыл бұрын
Hello Michael, please tell me, do you have a video about "voice inhalation" that Lamperti wrote about in his book?
@VocalWisdomcom
2 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I don't know. But I would suggest looking for "singing on the gesture of inhalation". I know I talk about it in several videos but I don't know if I have one specifically on that topic. Sorry.
@shortasmr28
6 жыл бұрын
how should the ng tongue position be? should the back of my tongue touch the soft palate? Ty
@VocalWisdomcom
6 жыл бұрын
The ng is just the humming that happens naturally when you say a word that is spelled with an ng, like sing, hung. I like to find that position by swallowing and feeling the back of the tongue going up to the palate. The leave the back of the tongue there while the larynx relaxes back down. I find that is a good way to find a good, natural spot. Hope that helps.
@imaplant4030
6 жыл бұрын
hi michael! theres a channel called tenellivoiceguru, he argues that appoggio is the best for voice training.. can u check his channel? what do u think? He also has video of 3 types appoggio (3 types sul fiato)..
@VocalWisdomcom
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, I am familiar with him. In general I think he has good information even if we might not explain things in the same way. I am more focused on finding balance in the instrument vs. finding a particular operatic sound. In this video I am trying to explain what I feel is the accurate definition of appoggio. I feel it is a condition we want to establish and is dependent on the balanced vocalization as well as what we do with the breathing. I don't know what he means by three types and I apologize, but don't have time to go find out. Sorry.
@imaplant4030
6 жыл бұрын
@@VocalWisdomcom thanks for the reply michael!! can i ask a question? -is it ok if i use this technique to increase my chest voice up without mixing ? Tyyysm for replying (i saw the article in ur blog about mixing..)
@VocalWisdomcom
6 жыл бұрын
I would say yes, in a sense. I don't really think of this as a "technique". I'm trying to thoroughly understand and explain the way the voice is naturally designed to work. I believe that the equipment is capable of expressing whatever we want to express. So I would describe what you want to do not in the terms of increasing chest voice without mixing, but instead as expressing strong emotion higher through the range without sounding like I'm in a weak head voice. This is how I would say it is possible. The thing about this though, is that if you actually try to do it by only using chest voice you will ruin your voice. The key is to allow the voice to tune the pitch in the way it naturally wants to. Which is lighter as you go up. But if you do that you can make it more intense, which sounds like you aren't changing. But this is a result of well-developed skill. It doesn't happen immediately.
@imaplant4030
6 жыл бұрын
@@VocalWisdomcom thx for the quick reply mr Michael!! Im sorry if im bugging u with questions, but can u clarify what u mean by full voice? Is mixed voice already part of full voice?
@VocalWisdomcom
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, it can be confusing. Full voice is a term that describes what we do in performance. I usually like to say complete vocalism. It means fully engaged. See, sometimes in exercises we don't sing full out. This helps to sensitize to the subtleties of the coordination. Then once we've got a feel for it we can try it fully engaged, full voice.
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