Even after taking out Sauron, they kept the fight scene in but they digitally replaced Sauron with a troll, and at one point in the fight the troll has Aragorn pinned down with his foot and Aragorn stabs him, which makes perfect sense given that the troll was originally Sauron, since it’s a callback to when Fingolfin stabbed Morgoth in the foot during their duel in The Silmarillion.
@mikehatz3942
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. I'm glad they changed the scene. Having Aragorn fight Sauron would have been too big a deviation for me and most fans of the source material.
@TheBigBlueBugofJustice
2 жыл бұрын
@@mikehatz3942 To be fair, unlike in the movie, Sauron did have a physical body for at least a few hundred years by that point in the books, BUT it definitely still wouldn't have jived with the books because 1) there's zero mention of Sauron directly participating in the Battle of the Morannon, and 2) Sauron is far too tactical and cunning to take so huge a risk as taking part in a battle that would have been easily won without him when his power was so greatly lessened due to not having possession of the Ring. It would make much more sense for him to sit it out considering the armies of Men were so vastly outnumbered and absolutely would have lost overwhelmingly were it not for Frodo and Sam, something that Sauron new nothing of (and in fact, he actually believed that Aragorn had the Ring because it was the only thing that made sense to him as to why Aragorn would do something so reckless as to directly challenge Sauron's vast army at Mordor, which was exactly what Aragorn was counting on and Sauron fell for it hook, line, and sinker).
@dixievfd55
2 жыл бұрын
Fingolfin was a badass and would have wiped the floor with Sauron so of course he had to fight the real dark lord. Fingolfin was such a badass that Thorondor rescued his body after the duel. Some of the most hardcore elves are in the Silmarillion.
@Oshaoxin
2 жыл бұрын
Which is accurate, Sauron is a big troll
@mokeybrown8733
2 жыл бұрын
I love this community because some of my brothers love this kind of stuff LOL
@thatiowan3581
2 жыл бұрын
As cool as this is, taking it out was the wise decision. The point of this battle is distracting Sauron because Frodo and Sam are the only real hope. Giving Aragorn a 1v1 with Sauron would have destroyed the key Tolkien themes of friendship and the strength of the "little folk"
@jcolinmizia9161
2 жыл бұрын
And seeing Sauron on the battlefield takes away some of the threat. It’s like the shark in Jaws; it was way more intimidating because we didn’t see much of it. Sauron standing there fighting with a sword is less threatening that the disembodied eye watching in the distance.
@wingedbeegoddess7392
2 жыл бұрын
And also because sauron would have killed aragorn petty quick
@thatiowan3581
2 жыл бұрын
@Lamina Sapida in the books he actually is in a physical form during the entire trilogy. Gollum mentions to Frodo and Sam that he has a missing finger (thanks to Isildur)
@thesenate3728
2 жыл бұрын
Not really, because it is still distracting Sauron, and we know he cannot be killed unless the ring is destroyed. At the time, he didn't realise that Frodo and Sam, were about to pull a sneaky one on him, so with that in mind, the stakes are very much there. As far as Sauron was concerned, he is immortal, and the object that would restore him to unimaginable power was within arms reach, he couldn't lose, he would take the ring in his own hand, and with it, Middle Earth. And it was that belief that he couldn't lose, that Aragorn was fighting not to win, but to lose, that a King would sacrifice himself was beyond Saurons understanding of the world. The moment he worked out what had happened, it utterly destroyed his world view. Having watched through a lens of hatred pain, and desire for the only type of power he knew, he had never been able ot rationalise, to conceptualise that outcome. Eveyrthing Sauron beleived he knew to be fundamentally true of the World, Greed, anger, suffering, war, domination... he learnt that he was wrong, and that is why he lost. Which is exaclty why the Eye was perfect. The VFX team managed to convey pure terror and torture in the eye of Sauron. As much fun as it is imagining him on the battlefield at the end, the scene we got was perfect
@ΣταυΔακης
2 жыл бұрын
@@thesenate3728 Sauron' s body is not immortal...It can be killed in a way...That had already happened twice...First time was when Numenor vanished and second time was during the siege of Barad-dur...Isildur was not the one that killed him...Sauron was actually killed by the combined attacks of Gil Galad and Elendil...Both of them were also killed during that battle...Isildur just cut the finger from the dead body of Sauron in order to claim the ring for himself...The real nemesis and the biggest fear of Sauron is actually King Elessar, that' s why he tries to destroy Minas Tirith before Aragorn' s arrival...He is so eager to prevent Aragorn' s coronation, that he fails to spot the hobbits in his own territory...Aragorn is the decentant of Elendil and the last one of the Numenorian King' s bloodline...Sauron hates and fears the Numenorians cause they have stopped him twice in the past and their ancestors was the humans that fought against his master (Melkor) during the War of Wrath...Bearing all those in mind, a 1v1 between Aragorn and Sauron would be very interesting...Sauron might be a powerful Mayar, but Aragorn is a powerful half-elven, who also carries Mayar blood from Melian, the mother of Luthien...Luthien was the grandmother of Elwing, the mother of Elrond and Elros...Elros was the first king of Numenor and the ancestor of Aragorn...
@TheMule71
2 жыл бұрын
Sauron directly confronting Aragon would be stupid. The whole point is that Sauron had doubts. His chief Nazgul defeated. Narsil reforged. The Heir of Isindul marching at the Black Gate. Remember, at the beginning of the trilogy we see him fight only because his armies were loosing. The Black Tower had been under siege for years before he decided to fight in person. Now, Sauron is watching everything from the Black Tower. His minions are way numerous than the opponents, compared to the 2nd era battle, and he's instead way way weaker w/o the Ring. He waited for years before intervening, in the 2nd era, and didn't go well, and he probably has learned his lesson. He's even more prudent now, and he thinks Aragorn has the Ring. To step into the field at the beginning of the battle, outside the Black Gate, w/o seeing first how it goes with his vastly superior army, would be so stupid and out of character for him.
@martinjasek5311
2 жыл бұрын
good point lad!
@TimaeusEXE
2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention if Sauron was actually there the whole army would have been wasted in a second ring or not with the exception of Gandalf holding his own for a while.
@Mr_Gray_1995
2 жыл бұрын
Well said.
@mxiii4980
2 жыл бұрын
one could say he learned from his mistake
@Yuuuuuj36
2 жыл бұрын
also keep in mind the original baddie Morgoth behaved the same way. He had never known fear until Ungolioth tried to kill him, ever since he's been a huge pussy. Pretty much only leaving his stronghold when Fingolfin challenged him to single combat, and even then he was terrified. He only accepted because it would make him look weak. The same could have potentially happened in lotr if Aragorn challenged him to single combat, but not really having a physical body at this time it wasn't really possible.
@knightofkorbin888
2 жыл бұрын
They almost hit us with a, "Somehow Sauron returned."
@ΚυριάκοςΒαρνάβας
2 жыл бұрын
I mean Sauron had returned and had a body by that time. The threat of returning from his "eye form" is purely movie stuff. But yeah they had fucked up already with the eye thing so it would have been hard to find an excuse to use his actual body during the final scene.
@grassblock7668
2 жыл бұрын
This made me think about how the entire first half of the Silmarillion can be summarized with: "Somehow Melkor returned and he's still on his bullshit" And the second half being: "Ehem btw, that Annatar guy was Sauron, and he's somehow returning and is planning to get back on his bullshit"
@yoshikagebuma7941
2 жыл бұрын
@@grassblock7668 lol ikr
@tiago_s_
2 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@aleisalpto5612
2 жыл бұрын
By the start of the Lord of the Rings, Sauron had physical form. He just never left Barad-Dur until he regained his full strength, and of course the One Ring.
@eseguerito2629
2 жыл бұрын
I like how Sauron addressed Aragorn as “Elessar”.
@realbaresoles2
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t, because Elessar wasn’t his name yet. It was the name he took, for the first time, after the War of the Ring was successfully concluded.
@One_Ring
2 жыл бұрын
It sounds more like "Elesus"
@eseguerito2629
2 жыл бұрын
@@realbaresoles2 True but Mayar are implied to have a bit of foresight innate to their powers. Not as much as the Valar but still.
@Horuss40
2 жыл бұрын
@@realbaresoles2 WHAT COULD THAT MEAN? 🤔🤔
@blaeckingceorl4161
2 жыл бұрын
I really agree that put Sauron in his phisical body in the end would be quite out of place, because we already saw him fighting in the beginning of the first film. The thing i desagree is that the director delected also the angelical form of Sauron when this part surely would be epic to see. Not to Aragorn fight it, but just to show how he is really something else like "Man, you're not just fighting a monster eye covered in flame. You're fighting a divine creature. Something that already existed before the creation of this world.".
@redpandarampage2191
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Have Sauron's angelic form just show up, sneer at them creepily or something, then vanish. Would have given Sauron a bit more presence and as you said, emphasize how he is something else entirely.
@TootsyBootsy
2 жыл бұрын
"But Sauron was not of mortal flesh, and though he was robbed now of that shape in which he had wrought so great an evil, so that he could never again appear fair to the eyes of Men, yet his spirit arose out of the deep and passed as a shadow and a black wind over the sea, and came back to Middle-earth and to Mordor that was his home." The Silmarillion IV Akallabêth
@HockeyNationHD
2 жыл бұрын
@@redpandarampage2191 would have been weird and lame af
@HockeyNationHD
2 жыл бұрын
Sauron cannot appear in that form anymore. And it would have been incredibly weird and lame.
@lucamallamo4061
2 жыл бұрын
forgive my english, but this looks like a bad fan made montage
@LukasBanyi
2 жыл бұрын
Wow. While it is certainly good this was cut out, what it makes even more powerfull is 1) Aragorn's "For Frodo!", and 2) Merry and Pippin running directly after him. I mean, it is really heroic and noble the way it is depicted in the final movie, but having Sauron himself stand there and those little hobbits charging at him with a cry and no hesitation whatsoever is way beyond incredibly brave!
@NaCl-ty
2 жыл бұрын
They could have made the presence be more like an after image that vanishes when they clashed swords with the army, meaning that every single soldier there was representing his will, now that i see this, i think it was a lost chance. Trilogy is a masterpiece tho.
@Bzorlan
2 жыл бұрын
@@NaCl-ty Sauron lost his ability to take form when he was defeated by the last alliance. It makes no sense for him to be there. And if he could, he still wouldn't fight unless he really had to. As far as he knew Aragorn had the ring and was bringing it straight to him. The small army that marched into Mordor would easily be defeated and Sauron could just take the ring.
@dixievfd55
2 жыл бұрын
@@Bzorlan He could still take form just not that form. He lost the ability to take that form when he convinced the Numenoreans to attack Valinor and wreck themselves. I know I am spoiling the Rings of Power, but that's how the Second Age ends.
@thefriar8883
2 жыл бұрын
The "For Frodo" part and the hobbits running are in the Extended cuts. Just no ghostly Sauron
@Bzorlan
2 жыл бұрын
@@dixievfd55 he couldn't take his fair form after numenor was destroyed but I thought he couldn't take any form without the ring after that? I'm about 1/4 into the silmarillion. Feanor has just arrived back in middle earth.
@annandune
2 жыл бұрын
Aragorn seeing a vision of Sauron would have been fine. When he first sees him in this clip, I think he may well have seen him as Annatar, a form he can no longer take. That would have had a certain power and resonance to it and could have symbolised Sauron trying to appeal to Aragorn's vanity - 'You can think of yourself as a peer to me now, join me...' kind of thing. Totally agree with all the comments suggesting the idea of Sauron himself on the battlefield would have been a writing disaster. Glad they took it out as it would have just been absurd.
@FASynergy
2 жыл бұрын
One point I see brought up often is that it changes the meaning of "For Frodo." In the actual cut, it kind of means, "let's fight this infinite army of orcs as long as we can to buy him time." If Sauron is there, a character who the audience knows to be immortal, and powerful beyond bounds, then it changes the line to Aragorn saying, "fuck, we're all definitely going to die.... let's die fighting for Frodo." Its the same reason they cut the Mouth of Sauron in the theatrical cut; the Fellowship receiving the Mithril shirt would basically be saying, "all these heroes are collectively committing to a suicidal final battle because they know they've already lost the War for Middle-Earth." Sauron taking form on the battlefield moments later would cement that, and it would take away the character focus of those final scenes, which is really about Frodo and the Ring's final steps.
@kissther1ngs
2 жыл бұрын
@@FASynergy I agree but they rode all that way… might as well die a glorious death as opposed to a cowardice one right? I know they aren’t Vikings but they were proud to March for a chance at victory. I doubt they would have just packed up and marched back home only to be slaughtered or enslaved later.
@Eriadel
2 жыл бұрын
I completly agree. They could leave this image of Annatar in the movie, it looks great! Indeed Sauron should not take physical form. Such scenes in this particular case look not well...
@goober8798
2 жыл бұрын
This is probably where JJ Abrams got the idea a force ghost could catch a light saber being thrown into a fire. Good directors cut this kind of cringey stuff out.
@criert135
2 жыл бұрын
@@FASynergy “I do not believe it! I will not.”
@thedoruk6324
2 жыл бұрын
Am I the only that is fascinated and mesmerized by the Saurons light ability or spiritual projection and its theme
@Velociraptor21
2 ай бұрын
Even tho he is evil, he is still a maia and still can prob do a light aura around his true form
@christopherquigley5468
2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad they didn’t. But I think having Sauron appear as a beautiful angel of light and then vanishing just before the battle begins would have been creepy.
@judsongaiden9878
4 ай бұрын
That's what he looked like when he was Mairon.
@HockeyNationHD
2 жыл бұрын
It's insane that they ever even had this idea, let alone had it in the script, let alone actually filmed it.
@WhoamI27676
2 жыл бұрын
@@HockeyNationHD Ah, sorry my bad. I read 'never'🤦🏼♀️
@HockeyNationHD
2 жыл бұрын
@@WhoamI27676 np
@ecthox-1mork909
2 жыл бұрын
Personally, I feel the same way about Dain massacring some of Thranduil's elves before Azog's army showed up making it into the finished 'Hobbit' film. Nevermind the film portraying Thorin's successor as that bloodthirsty, racist lunatic and expecting it to be in any way reassuring!
@HockeyNationHD
2 жыл бұрын
@@ecthox-1mork909 The elves are portrayed as the highest and wisest beings, morally the best, and they are portrayed as varying degrees of 'racist' against just about every other kind of humanoid being. Tolkien did not have modern far left trash values or believe in racism (as a concept, including that such a thing was bad or unnatural) as such.
@dimitrikemitsky
2 жыл бұрын
@@HockeyNationHD actually Tolkien was a strong leftist, he held many of what you consider "far left trash values." He was a strong anti-war leftist and was openly and VERY vocally anti-conservative, and anti-racist.
@godofdestruction69
2 жыл бұрын
despite being physically absent for the entire trilogy except the first scene just seeing him in front of our heroes just scares the shit out of me
@aparupamukherjee5768
2 жыл бұрын
GREATEST MOVIE OF THIS ERA AND SO ON ..... PERIOD .
@bagusarda
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@muitnecsa3489
7 ай бұрын
Fellowship is the best of the three.
@Crichjo32
2 жыл бұрын
I think this would have been out of place, even though it would make my inner geek squeal to see Aragorn duel Sauron. But also the theatrical version of Aragorn fighting a giant cave troll didn't feel right too. I think the perfect middle ground would have been to have him fight the Mouth of Sauron/ the Black Lieutenant. It would be much more fitting and more in line with the book, and still satisfying for those who want to see Aragorn fight a more worthy opponent. He is a physical representation of Sauron's will, and essentially his avatar whilst he is a disembodied spirit. Also the MoS is of the same race of people as Aragorn, but got corrupted by Sauron, so it's like Aragorn would be fighting a dark reflection of himself. Of course they would have to beef up the appearance of the MoS, so he would look like a credible threat to Aragorn - like he'd have to be 7 feet tall with heavy armour. I can see it now, with the Mouth coming out like in the original scene but he is big and imposing, looking like the dark Lord himself. He taunts the group about Frodo's supposed death, and Aragorn steps forward and threatens him, but doesn't kill him. The MoS calls forth the army of orcs, and they surround Aragorn's smaller army. We see the MoS laughing cruelly, as he knows they will crush this feeble resistance in one swoop, and Sauron's victory will be assured. Aragorn has his "for Frodo" moment and they charge against the orcs. In the midst of the fighting Aragorn meets the MoS and they begin duelling intensely. It seems like Aragorn will gain the upper hand, however the sheer numbers of orcs overwhelms them and Aragorn is attacked from behind, giving the MoS the opportunity to punish Aragorn knocking him to the ground. It seems the MoS will finish Aragorn, but Aragorn manages to hold him off long enough until Frodo destroys the Ring. As the eye of Sauron implodes, the MoS is distracted for a moment giving Aragorn the chance to behead him.
@ChristianProtossDragoon
2 жыл бұрын
They did this in Shadow of Mordor.
@csab8642
2 жыл бұрын
Or what if they has Sauron take on the rest ofbthe Fellowship as well? Could be a team effort to battle him with everyone doing what they can to distract him. It could be a fight scene in which Sauron is shown taking some hits (indicating he's not a 100% yet without the ring) but is still strong enough to push around whenever he gets a chance to attack
@Reblwitoutacause
2 жыл бұрын
I would no have minded this, if he appeared as he did for the first few seconds all angelic and then in the armor.. then, when Aragorn charges, the light flashes again, this time red and firey. Sauron then disappears from the battlefield, and we realize it was just a vision of Sauron. Without the Ring, he cannot take physical form. The red light flashes again atop the tower and the Eye looks down on the battle in front of the Black Gate. Something along those lines would have worked, I think.
@michelisdemetrius1329
2 жыл бұрын
It would be better if the film makers included the scene of Sauron being blown away by the wind as is told in the book.
@NL-X
2 жыл бұрын
Idk dude... even if is not accurate to the book, that is one of the greatest explosions in the cinema
@therogueblade915
2 жыл бұрын
Wasn’t that Saruman who was blown away?
@genloulou
2 жыл бұрын
The amazing part of the whole LOTR trilogy is the evil forces including Sauron could not tell the four hobbits apart while the audience who has been very acquainted with them can.
@coleneil2239
2 жыл бұрын
I find it interesting how Legolas was taken back by his appearance.
@G6Tarantula
2 жыл бұрын
Ok I still loved this lol. It gave me chills of joy when Sauron said “Elessar”
@movoo6077
2 жыл бұрын
That day when they finally decide to release this version..........
@alejandrorenovatio9736
2 жыл бұрын
It will be a good day...
@wonaldgrump9654
2 жыл бұрын
Never. Only the woke version shall be released, forever running the tale.
@alejandrorenovatio9736
2 жыл бұрын
@Jack Marcuson Enlighten me...
@blenderguy3250
2 жыл бұрын
But it is not this day
@mihaimercenarul7467
2 жыл бұрын
@@alejandrorenovatio9736 a bad day, kiddo
@Jhowy-wu3mr
2 жыл бұрын
😅I always thought the armored troll-like monster fight with Aragorn felt a little out of place. Like how the cave troll was ragdolling them but Aragorn was now able to completely block the armored troll’s downward slash despite its insane mass. I can understand why they probably took this out. My guess is that they may have felt it may have been a bit confusing for the general public. Because the whole point of this trilogy’s journey is to destroy the ring so Sauron CAN’T become powerful enough to return. But he just returns and starts battling Aragorn in a physical form anyway? So does he need the ring or not? Has he built up enough power over the years to the point he no longer needs the ring? The way I see it is Sauron is projecting a shadow of himself. It’s pretty much a physical form, but it’s not his full strength. That’s still stored in the ring. That’s also why Aragorn can block his attacks and hold his own. Because it’s not Sauron’s full strength( also may have a little to do with Aragorn wielding the sword that originally defeated him). The whole point of this charge is to divert Sauron’s attention away from Mount Doom so Frodo and Sam can have a chance to slip in and finally destroy it. But the only way this obviously incredibly outnumbered army can be even a half decent diversion is A: Sauron somehow deems them as an actual threat to him and/or B: he thinks the key to his victory is within that army. This whole plan is based on the idea of “it’s just crazy enough to work”. Sauron feels no one’s that crazy as to just roll up on the front door of the equivalent of Satan’s right hand and say “what’s up pussy!We’re here to kill you! Come out and fight us bitch!”😂😂 The only reason in his mind that the idea would even be entertained is if they have the one ring and are planning to wield it against him. So it checks point A and B! So he just goes down in his weakened form to stomp out this pitiful army and get his full strength back as quickly as possible. Because there’s literally no way these people would DARE to come here WITHOUT the ring! He also probably wants a rematch on Isildur’s heir and the special sword that stopped him the first time.
@slam8515
2 жыл бұрын
If you want to really know why they decided to cut sauron from the battle I highly recommand that you watch the making of. It is absolutely insane, kind of a second trilogy in my opinion and really interesting. To give you a little bit of an answer I can tell you that they wanted to stick to Tolkien’s version.
@Dragonk116
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, it seemed a bit ridiculous
@lian8thawmte465
2 жыл бұрын
Nerd
@MarsM13
2 жыл бұрын
The thing is, canonically he DID have a physical form at this time. He'd regained a physical form long before it, actually. He needed the ring to achieve his full power, not to achieve physical form. At this point in the story, he has a physical form, but he can not take on fair form, and he only has nine fingers.
@livingweaponnightmare
2 жыл бұрын
Really good answer
@YggdrasilReviews
2 жыл бұрын
Man there something that’s so tear jerking when the hobbits are the first ones to run into battle. And music this scene gives courage
@jason951138
Жыл бұрын
This scene was removed for 3 reasons: The scene itself strayed too far from Tolkien's text. Showing Sauron in physical form contradicted what was established in the movies, where it was mentioned that he could not take physical form unless he obtained the One Ring again. Sauron and Aragorn's fight played down Frodo's mission, since according to what was filmed, during the fight, Aragorn managed to stab Sauron with Elendil's sword at the same time that the ring melted in the lava. , which implied that both Aragorn and Frodo defeated Sauron.
@omegared9509
Жыл бұрын
it was mentioned from saruman but he said "he cannot yet take physical form, yet" so he could have returned without a ring
@richardjames9426
2 жыл бұрын
I have mixed emotions. On one hand, having Sauron project a physical version of himself to challenge Aragorn, would have been pretty badass, all things considered. Along with Aragorn and the Hobbits charging to face him, it gave me chills - in a good way. He could exist in multiple forms and maybe even in multiple places at once, so it's not inconceivable to me he mustered enough power to squash Aragorn personally, for good. His visage would have been terrifying, and he would have known that. Aragorn showing the courage to face him and battle him, would have been chilling. On the other hand, it's not in the books and would have felt a bit off. Though I truly love the notion of throwing yourself at insurmountable odds, or an overwhelming specter of evil, and making the ultimate sacrifice, but the final version of the film was satisfying enough.
@anetery1226
2 жыл бұрын
As ridiculous of a writing Katastrophe this would have been It just sounds so unbelievably awesome Also l could totally see Sauron thinking Oh well l have won anyway might as well have some fun and jump in
@TheFlamingPike
2 жыл бұрын
Aragorn seeing Sauron in The Two Towers and challenging him with the Palantir would've been cool in theaters though. I think it would've hyped us up in a moment when the movie was losing just a bit of its momentum, during the Faramir bit IMO.
@spacewiz163
2 жыл бұрын
I learned that Sauron makes a final appearance after the ring is destroyed. He screams out as a massive dark force reaching out in despair. It would have been fun to have seen it that way.
@filmflim
Жыл бұрын
Yes! A massive black shadow that reaches out its hand and is swept away by the wind was Tolkien's final description of Sauron as he is defeated and destroyed. That would have been an incredible visual for the film and it's disappointing that they didn't do that.
@mickhack8034
2 жыл бұрын
btw say what you want.. but when Aragorn charged first, Merry and Pippin were right there behind him as the heroes they were
@shilohartisan
2 жыл бұрын
This isn't a deleted scene, it's a fan edit using imagery from the game and from the prologue of FOTR. fun concept though :)
@sgttoasterface5282
2 жыл бұрын
Always felt like they could have done some retcon where sauron might not be able to directly control but can empower certain nazguls with his own power, which would have also explained more why the witch king was so much stronger suddenly and could defeat Gandalf in the movie. Could have even had sauron using his eye to make the nazgul appear as himself to try and throw Aragorn off, with the illusion breaking with the ring being destroyed, and when Aragorn stabs the nazgul after it actually dies since sauron and his magic is dead
@OrdinaryApprentice99
2 жыл бұрын
It’s simple said : Tolkien was a genius on characters and how + when to introduce them. The nazgul were extremely powerful beings when they were needed. The witch-king‘s part on Gondor which was cut out would have been EPIC if they adapted 100% from the book there though. For me the witch-king wasn’t as powerful as in the books. Even hearing his loud cries to power up the destruction of Gondor‘s Doors was pure goosebumps, in the movies it was just him destroying gandalfs staff and boom he’s gone.
@sgttoasterface5282
2 жыл бұрын
@@OrdinaryApprentice99 they had to tone down everyone unfortunately. Witch king should have been a lot stronger, but so should Gandalf, and Gandalf should have still won the fight or at the very least had it end in a draw before the witch king flies off to the fields during the charge. From the perspective of just the movies, it makes no sense why Gandalf was able to fight all of the nazgul at once at night, but after he comes back as the white and is even stronger, he gets defeated by one of them during the day, and they give no explanation. I know movies have to adapt and shorten the story from books, but some of the stuff they chose to take out or ignore make no sense and just leave massive plot holes. Still a fantastic trilogy and one of if not the best trilogies of all time, but it’s like watching judges all give 10s and the last gives a 9. It’s still amazing and probably as close to perfect as possible, but it just needed that last little extra. The books are perfect, and even taking out a lot of stuff, I can’t help but think if they were just a little more accurate to power levels of characters like Gandalf, witch king, Saruman, and the elves, as well as include Elrond’s sons in the movie, it would have been the perfect adaption. Completely agree it’s the greatest adaption ever, but just missed that perfect mark
@OrdinaryApprentice99
2 жыл бұрын
@@sgttoasterface5282 The last one will also give a 10 because that person will consider their budgets and everything. They made this trilogy with a disgustingly tight schedule and to top it all off, VERY very early CGI and VFX usage. (with early i mean early 2000s)
@johnnyskinwalker4095
5 ай бұрын
Good idea. I agree.
@Parasmunt
2 жыл бұрын
As awesome as Sauron was in physical form he was even better in the way they released it, a mysterious presence over there above all that remains mysterious throughout. Doing it the way they do in the above clip also takes it away from the hobbits on Mt Doom.
@kreuzrittergottes9336
2 жыл бұрын
literally Tolkeins intent. Jackson took far too many liberties with the story as it was so glad he showed some restraint here.
@alvinderekhinal3123
Жыл бұрын
The body of celebrimbor is inside of sauron
@ronplatz7202
2 жыл бұрын
Hard to imagine anyone making 3 movie as great as these.
@classicuscomics
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah this would not have worked, but if I have one problem outside of it it’s that I think all these films would have benefited from one more physical threat with a face. Specifically for Aragorn. Let me explain, Sauron, and Saruman are both schemers and the rest are just faceless orcs. I wish they had kept lurtz (the orc who killed boromir alive) until this moment it would have been cool to see the fellowship face off with a foe they knew and had a vendetta against in the end and not just legions of faceless monsters. Movie still rocks though.
@kariverson1
2 жыл бұрын
Here I am watching a 2 minute changed scene, and once again having chills and shedding tears because of this masterpiece.
@apostolospapamicheal557
2 жыл бұрын
In his true form he looks like an angel
@MerkhVision
Жыл бұрын
That’s because he basically was. He was a Maiar, which are a lot like angels.
@ghostlightningboi5618
2 жыл бұрын
This is very well put together, good job. 👍
@Under-Kaoz
2 жыл бұрын
Sauron should have showed up in physical form. He wasn't just an eyeball in the books. He had regained his physical form.
@clintonseaman4882
2 жыл бұрын
I was always under the assumption in the films and the books that Sauron couldn't manifest physically without the ring.
@MerkhVision
Жыл бұрын
That’s a movie only thing. He had reformed a body in the books, but he was never directly present in any scenes, only referred to.
@meganscrivens1962
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think this is a deleted scene. This looks a lot more like it is stitched together from multiple scenes from the different lotr movies. Not cool to falsely advertise as deleted. Just say what it it. People will still look, but then they won’t be misled either. 🤷♀️especially when this isn’t in the books and Peter Jackson was being as TRUE TO THE BOOKS as he could. He is one of the only directors to do so.
@bagusarda
2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry for that, I'll change the title, btw thanks for the correction 😉
@Alexanderthegreat159
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I would love them to put this in an extended edition to where you can choose if you want this in the final scene or not. Cuz personally I wouldn't make as much sense story wise, I would love to see a version of the fight between them two. You know like fully finished and all that
@thedoruk6324
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed !
@GDBROWN
Жыл бұрын
I am happy they didn’t keep this in the live for the sake of sticking to the story. But fighting Sauron’s physical form head-on in a sword fight is absolutely something Aragorn would not hesitate to do. Even if Sauron defeated Aragorn, it would likely be his most difficult fight he was ever involved in.
@nossenkanter
2 ай бұрын
Not exactly 😂 Sauron had overpowered God like figures in the past, even in his weakened state here Aragorn would be a joke.
@darko-man8549
2 жыл бұрын
One of the few things I think was a big mistake was not making Elendil & Gil-Galad's injury of Sauron known; but not having Aragorn fight Sauron was good. though having him appeal to Aragorn as Annatar could have worked
@misiopuchatek152
2 жыл бұрын
And then he listened to the Wise ones… The rest is the legend…
@delucadude1
2 жыл бұрын
Even the deleted scenes of Lotr are insanely cool
@curlywurly1987
2 жыл бұрын
good idea not putting him in and deleting it, i prefer the idea of the main enemy is hidden at all time, he is an enigma but yet everyone know who he is and he should be feared. i like the idea of this man with such power is hidden away plotting in his tower making the world go crazy.
@RadicalW0lf
2 жыл бұрын
looks good but breaks canon, Peter Jackson did well deleting it
@bruhdon4748
2 жыл бұрын
You know the movies aren’t cannon right? And a lot of shit that happens in the movies doesn’t happen in the book at all or happen at totally different points in the story.
@RadicalW0lf
2 жыл бұрын
@@bruhdon4748 Duh, we all know that, but adding the scene would have ruined the ending
@bruhdon4748
2 жыл бұрын
@@RadicalW0lf I agree tbf, wouldn’t make sense for Sauron to put himself out there in such a vulnerable position especially considering the men are holding their last stand & was under the impression Aragon had the ring.
@ClamberingWalrus
2 жыл бұрын
Canon is Sauron had a physical body. Breaking canon is the eye, which is supposed to be symbolic / metaphorical.
@ASSASSIN19923
2 жыл бұрын
@@bruhdon4748 if you think some minor things are not canon in LOTR , wait to see Amazon series 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@valthenvega2434
2 жыл бұрын
I know it’s better to be replaced with a troll, but heck I couldn’t help but let out an “OH NO OH FUCK OH SHIT!!!” When ma boe Sauron came into the battlefield
@judsongaiden9878
4 ай бұрын
They did a good job of depicting Sauron's "Mairon" form. He's actually scarier that way because he looks like an entity that could make you burst into flames just by staring at you.
@connorredshaw7994
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love the lord of the rings trilogy
@realbaresoles2
2 жыл бұрын
This would have been absurd and undermined Frodo’s entire quest. Thank god he was talked out of it.
@BossGaming-vg6zh
2 жыл бұрын
I really wish they included this scene in the movies. I have seen many comments that say “This scene would have ruined the dynamic of the scene and/or it doesn’t make sense” and while I understand where they are coming from, I kind of disagree. Here is why: The first argument I see a lot is that “Him returning doesn’t make sense because he needs the ring to do that”. While I understand your point, we have to remember that this is the movies, and not the books. The movies have already made changes to the story, so this wouldn’t be too crazy. Plus, earlier we here Saruman say “All he needs is the ring to return to his full strength.” In a different scene, he says “He cannot yet obtain physical form”. This implies that Sauron (in the movies) doesn’t need the ring to have a body again The second main argument I see is “Sauron fighting Aragorn is dumb because the Ring is what is important”. Again, I totally understand this, but I don’t see why Sauron returning is a problem. If anything, it heightens the need to destroy the ring cause now, “Oh shit he has a body again!” For me, this just adds more intensity overall. Plus, we can’t argue that seeing Anatar in the flesh would have been sick. I mean come on, this is the body Sauron used to make the rings!!! This is just my personal opinion, and I wanted to share it :)
@zjjohnson3827
10 ай бұрын
1:33 I absolutely love this part We’ve seen Aragorn using his Dunedain strength, bracing that spear against a cave troll, tossing Gimli then holding onto a rope with one hand and Gimli in the other, etc, And Sauron, his mailed fist like wrapped in his cloak(?) just *backhands* this upstart wannabe king of men, first once, then again and just that half assed blow sends Aragorn, Elessar, heir to the Throne of the Free People of Middle-Earth, who has a body count of hundreds, sprawling and staggering backwards desperately, trying to escape the wrath of a living god more powerful than anything else currently standing on the planet Imagine how Gandalf would have felt if this had actually happened…seeing the being he feared so badly, even while standing in Valinor, unleashed on the field of battle about to kill Middle-Earth’s last heir of Gondor’s kings
@Nofarewell
2 жыл бұрын
Return of the Kiing - Rings Of Power edition
@DngrDan
2 жыл бұрын
I can understand Jackson getting caught up in wanting to portray part of Morgoth's story with Fingolfin because it's so bad ass but I totally respect his decision to remain faithful to The Return of the King.
@brtruev1710
10 ай бұрын
Honestly, I advocate that the scene should've been KEPT, not removed/changed: 1- The movies already did lots of changes from the source material, to the point some characters and plots were completely destroyed (Saruman, anyone?). At least it'd be a cool fighting scene. Plus it'd greatly correct the incredibly stupid idea of portraying Sauron as a literal eye (no, he wasn't an eye in the book, there are plenty of descriptions of him having a humanoid/physical form). 2- For the "diversion" idea (as portrayed in the movies), it'd work way better than having an eye as a spotlight going here and there. Sauron busy fighting Aragorn was the perfect way to distract him (one could imagine him reacting with anger/fear the moment he sensed Frodo putting the One Ring). 3- The digitized troll wasn't exactly the best option to replace it. We're going to believe Aragorn spent most of the battle being pinned by your run-of-the-mill troll?
@silbus8670
2 жыл бұрын
He is so beautiful. Like an angel
@Mirë-Mariell
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, he is so nice, I love him so much.......😍💕💖WOW💯
@christophersanchez7731
2 жыл бұрын
In the books Sauron didn’t lose his body, but was weakened and was sometimes described in 9 fingers The movies depicted him losing his body, but over time gained power Enough power to dim The light in the world and made his servants strong in day hours So it’s not impossible for him to gain a rudimentary form as he would want to personally deal with Aragorn
@DrForrester87
2 жыл бұрын
Yea, Gollum mentions how he only has four fingers in his one hand...but they're enough.
@csab8642
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe they could've had him taking on the whole Fellowship in the battle. Could even show him taking some hits from the team as a result of not being at full power, but still strong enough to keep knocking them down when they attack him
@dazzlepecs
2 жыл бұрын
This looks fan made rather than a genuine deleted scene
@welsh-cymru1588
4 ай бұрын
Im glad it was deleted but im also glad we got these alternate scenes to watch too
@PickleGamerrrr
2 жыл бұрын
I love the editing! Great job man!
@horridlego8430
2 жыл бұрын
Lol - If you look at the first cut away at 00:00, there is a Rohirrim warrior in the 2nd on the left with a chain mail cowl, he is my brother and he is wearing glasses. The only person in middle earth with glasses.
@seimen4348
2 жыл бұрын
One of the single best decission jackson did was cutting this scene.
@Guest666RBLX_YT
24 күн бұрын
It definitely didn't make sense to me...I thought Sauron needed the ring for him to regain his physical form
@Palendrome
Ай бұрын
Aragorn needed this. As it stands, the peak of his arc is Two Towers, that's really his movie, not Return of the King. RotK feels lacking in great Aragorn moments compared to the first two. If they had only had this, the battle here could have been epic. They should remaster the original footage of the REAL Sauron they shot.
@cherub3624
2 жыл бұрын
The cardboard looking cutout of Sauron killed me.
@gilian2587
2 жыл бұрын
Sauron... we meet for the first time for the last time. Narsil hungers for thy flesh; it hasn't tasted it in centuries....
@TJMiton
2 жыл бұрын
not really a deleted scene, they just replaced him with a troll, which was one million % the right choice.
@iarwainthabombadil7724
2 жыл бұрын
Rat race is everlasting, I'm an eagle to It. Only swoopin when I needa do It.
@zacharywilliams6337
2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad they cut this from the final cut of the movie.
@filipvadas7602
2 жыл бұрын
As cool as it would be to see more of Sauron with his physical form ( especially with how detailed the costume was) it would have destroyed the lore and made the battle just absurd, as well as cheapening why The One Ring needs to be destroyed along with Sam and Frodo's journey. That being said, the idea of Sauron appearing only in spirit form to try and either intimidate or appeal to the characters to join him to escape a certain death would have worked. Especially if Sauron believed that one of them had the Ring and that he could appeal to their vanity through it.
@resto776
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, like a Sauron apparition appears to Aragorn and he runs right through it into the battle. Could’ve been cool. What was PJ even thinking with this idea though? What logic would allow this to even happen? The whole point of destroying the ring was so Sauron could not gain the rest of his power back and become embodied. Baffling that this was even considered.
@AllAhabNoMoby
2 жыл бұрын
I had never noticed that Merry was in this battle, in the movie. He's not supposed to be.
@cha5
2 жыл бұрын
True, In The Return of The King Merry was still healing from his wounds after trying to stab the Witch King, he had wanted to go with them to the Black Gate but Aragorn had told him " 'You are not fit for such a journey,' said Aragorn 'But do not be ashamed. If you do no more in this war, you have already earned great honor. Peregrin shall go and represent the Shirefolk; and do not begrudge him his chance of peril, for though he has done as well as his fortune allowed him, he has yet to match your deed. But in truth all are now endanger. Though it may be our part to find a bitter end before the gate of Mordor, if we do so, then you will come also to a last stand, either here or wherever the black tide overtakes you, Farewell!' " The Lord of The Rings: the Return of The King: Chapter 9 'The Last Debate'
@joaosoares-rr5mj
2 жыл бұрын
this for me is a scene that should not have been taken off, but was taken off becaue some fans complained it was in... which proves that fans not always are right, and it fucking pissess me off that this scene was not in the movie...
@dovdorith8148
2 жыл бұрын
When I see Anatar in there....GOD ITS SO EPIIIC!!!
@kawaka4432
2 жыл бұрын
The "elf form" was in the original or is this a fan edit ?
@vernich3381
2 жыл бұрын
no. its his Anattar form
@vernich3381
2 жыл бұрын
@@danielhornmajczak6419 because they didn't realese it
@vernich3381
2 жыл бұрын
@@danielhornmajczak6419 sauron himself isn't a fan edit, Peter Jackson filmed it
@mistyfields
2 жыл бұрын
@@vernich3381 It´s not. His Anathar form was lost after Numenor breakdown, circa 1000 years before the events of LOTR.
@lillvesp
2 жыл бұрын
@Jack Marcuson can confirm its real. They just decided not to use it.
@aaronmicalowe
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting, but Sauron was always more menacing while he hid in the shadows. Making him appear in physical form opens up too many plotholes and issues that would spoil the movie.
@ponglenis9273
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Sauron casually returns and Gandalf just stands there like nothing. Gandalf is not allowed using his full power unless something like this happening. Good it was cut out
@filmflim
2 жыл бұрын
If Peter Jackson had actually decided to go in this direction (very good call that he didn’t for a plethora of reasons), how would it have played out? Would the Eye of Sauron have beamed out of Barad-Dur to take his physical form on the battlefield? Or would the Eye just stay there, but cast a projection of Sauron’s physical form, sort of like Avatar?
@Belarusian_Hussar
Жыл бұрын
Sauron is not an eye. Rather, the eye is actually a projection. In the cut scene from the second or third film, there is a moment when Aragorn uses a palantir and there for a second or two you can see Sauron in physical form holding another palantir just as he held the ring at the beginning of the first film. I think an eye would just remain on the tower while Sauron fought Aragorn.
@Belarusian_Hussar
Жыл бұрын
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@paulrockatansky77
2 жыл бұрын
Denethor once told Pippin that the Dark Lord would only depart his fortress so he could triumph over the ruined West. Good to see Sauron in his "fair form" but having him in combat with Aragorn would be a creative mistake.
@sgauden02
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe they should've have had Aragorn fight the Mouth Of Sauron.
@nicolaimadsen7036
2 жыл бұрын
Didnt he cut of his head? At least in the extended edition
@sgauden02
2 жыл бұрын
@@nicolaimadsen7036 Yeah, but I meant during the battle itself.
@mihaimercenarul7467
2 жыл бұрын
@@nicolaimadsen7036 he means that instead of cutting his head, she should have fought him în battle. În The books he also didn't kill mouth of sauron. Aragon only insulted him and told him to leave, which he did.
@nintendogamer5472
2 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or does it seem like sauron almost hypnotizes aragorn, when he looks back at everyone he has a sinister look and then gandalf waives his hand like he is cleansing the spell.
@nateborie6329
2 жыл бұрын
Okay, I’m not gonna lie, if this had been the actual final battle, I would’ve honestly pissed my goddamn pants. If Sauron had grown strong enough to project a physical body that could go toe to toe with Aragorn in one final battle between the new King of Gondor and the greatest evil Middle Earth has ever seen, I would’ve screamed bloody murder from excitement if I had seen this in theaters. And it would’ve maintained the idea of keeping Sauron distracted, because his attention would not only be on killing Aragorn, but also annihilating the last remnants of mankind’s rebellious nature against his rule. So, there would’ve been a dual purpose behind this. One would’ve been Sauron’s terrifying power and his desire to see the King fall beneath his boots and no one’s else’s. Two would’ve been it would’ve tested Aragorn’s will and resolve as the true King, and to be able to do the one thing his ancestor never could: finally finish the job and destroy Sauron once and for all. Just saying, this is fucking awesome. And seeing Sauron lead his Nazgûl as well as his Orcs on the field of battle the same way Aragorn is, well, there’s a reason the Elves were so scared of him.
@sangheli5708
2 жыл бұрын
But, there's nothing like that in the book, and it doesn't make sense with the moral message of this history.
@erasalams61
2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention would have to be better that like on this clip
@erasalams61
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe a glimps or crossed swords and the he disapears cuz he cant mantain physical form
@DonAntonio6
2 жыл бұрын
Sauron always had a physical body he just never chose to leave his tower.
@nateborie6329
2 жыл бұрын
@@DonAntonio6 Which is why it makes so much sense for Sauron to appear only when the final battle came knocking on his front door, especially when he was offered a trial by combat with the new King of Gondor. I mean, Aragorn basically dared Sauron to show his face, to give him a challenge he ultimately could never refuse. Sauron hates the Blood of Numenor, and fears it, probably more than the possibility of the Ring being destroyed. So, if he was given the chance to cut down mankind’s last surviving ruler with his own two hands, why wouldn’t he take it?
@JackSmith-zm3rz
2 жыл бұрын
Por fin liberaron la escena
@rjpx947
2 жыл бұрын
Not really a deleted scene at all, but a fan edit. As best I know of the lore, after losing the One Ring, and being banished back into Mordor by Galadriel in the Hobbit, I don't think he can actually manifest physically, as when Isildur cut the ring from his gauntlet. This is why during the War of The Ring, Sauron is locked up in Barad-dûr as a magic flaming eyeball.
@karolinedahl3458
2 жыл бұрын
Omg 😱 that was sooo cool! I mean like what just happened?! It made it seem as though Aragorn was momentarily possessed by Sauron’s spirit (that’s just me) in order to trick him into killing the orcs. But then again, it was also more likely that he appeared a few seconds before Aragorn turned n said for Frodo. I really hope I am not misreading or hallucinating something here, coz that video was awesome 👏!!!
@Timbo6669
2 жыл бұрын
Manwe interfering in this battle gives me chills every time…(his eagles).
@somebody4763
Жыл бұрын
This fight would have been so epic, but how it turned out in the end makes more sense. Sauron put so much of himself into the One Ring that he couldn't take physical form without it, or at least it would cost him a lot of time and immense effort. I do believe he can take on a physical form again at this point, but that feels illogical since his spirit, the Eye, resides on top of Barad-dûr. Sauron and Aragorn had more of a mental fight. Sauron was afraid to fight Isildur's heir, because he caused him to lose the Ring. Aragorn was afraid to face his fate as king and suffer the same fate as his ancestor.
@dolgukhor2183
2 жыл бұрын
0:53 so is this Sauron's elven form?
@SauronTheDarkLordOfMordor
2 жыл бұрын
No, that would be Annatar. This one is the form of awesome armour.
@lonesomealeks4206
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, Gandalf can run faster than anyone. Impressive.
@Ancantar
2 жыл бұрын
He’s a Maiar.
@emperor-thesenate-palpatin5954
2 жыл бұрын
Good it wasnt in a final cut. Staying true to the source material.
@TheBlackDead2
2 жыл бұрын
I came for a troll and stayed for the good stuff, thank you.
@SauronTheDarkLordOfMordor
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine trolling
@wrybreadspread
2 жыл бұрын
Cheesy fanfiction maneuver. Like George Lucas inserting Vader bellowing "No!" in the scene with the emperor zapping Luke with Force lighting the scene in ROTJ, before Vader tosses Palpatine down the chasm.
@arcanetactician8997
2 жыл бұрын
I really hope they picked a good actor for Sauron. Edit: Nope I am crushed, I just looked to see who it is if they announced it. Anson Boon... He does not fit the description of a beautiful Elf gone bad.
@FatherMurph
Жыл бұрын
It makes sense that they removed this scene, but it would still be cool to see it in its entirety.
@robertm8401
2 жыл бұрын
Wow those eagles sure can fly and fight, considering those dragons are way larger than them.
@justintrites1699
2 жыл бұрын
Kinda glad this didn’t make the final cut. The mouth of Sauron scene however, should of definitely made the final cut. Great scene!
@jefthereaper
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly i was hoping it would instantly do a 180 and show the scene of Sauron smashing soldiers around after the charge.
@yooginava1828
2 жыл бұрын
While back in the day, Jackson could've easily put this in to be like all the other movies coming out / to be "more modern". But he didn't. Staying close to the materiel that Tolkien created. Now we have the War of the rings coming out and its completely spitting in his face all in favor of making it "modern".
@SauronTheDarkLordOfMordor
2 жыл бұрын
It's called Rings of power
@mrcat3493
2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad they cut this, that’s taking too much liberty with the source material.
@NiKKOGAMINGVIDEO
2 жыл бұрын
Sauron aurais pu appaitre en tan que spectre,sous forme blanche,car sans l anneau il ne peut retrouver sa forme physique avec l'armure,Aragorn aurais très bien pu affronter sauron sous forme spectrale,l appararition de sauron sous forme fantomatique,aurais pu ce produire,grâce à l œil de sauron,au dessus de sa tour. Une fois la tour et l œil en train de tomber,sauron aurais été à son tour été entraîner dans sa chute,qui aurais provoqué, l'explosion de l œil,et de la tour,grâce à l anneau tomber dans la lave,de la montagne du destin,provoqué par Frodo.
@GoddamnBatman1
2 жыл бұрын
Lol, Gandalf the Maiar is like, that human *totally* has this!
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