The most common fact for archers - and perhaps the most commonly asked question by non-archers. Why shouldn't you dry fire? === Follow me on Facebook: / nusensei
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@jimmacq8485
5 жыл бұрын
I was the archery technician for the CW promo short "Super Hero Fight Club" a few years ago. All of the arrows are CGI, so everyone dry-fires every time. Oliver's bow (an Oneida Kestrel) is cranked out to the lowest weight they can get it to, about 18 pounds. On the show, they have about a dozen identical bows, so when one blows up they just grab another, but for this shoot we only had one. I had to put it back together several times; usually we got about a dozen shots off before it blew up. Sometimes pieces flew off, but most often the cables just derailed. (The Kestrel is a fascinating bow, kind of a recurve-compound hybrid, and I'd love to see your thoughts on it.) The Dark Archer's compound bow had the cams locked down with screws and was strung with elastic shock cord, so it was no problem. I got to have a nice two-day case study of the effects of repeated dry-firing and got pretty good at reassembling the Kestrel.
@uK8cvPAq
4 жыл бұрын
This happened to the bow shot by Legolas in LOTR, at the end of the last shoot his bow snapped in real life as the arrows were CGI, every shot was dry fired throughout the trilogy with arrows added in post-production.
@sirlohengrin6226
Жыл бұрын
WOW really interesting information, I watched a lot of the series, I hadn't thought about that, which reminds me that at the end of LOTR Orlando Bloom's arc was broken, maybe for the same reason
@sirlohengrin6226
Жыл бұрын
@@uK8cvPAqyeah, I was thinking the same! I hadn't related it until now.
@beepot2764
9 жыл бұрын
Had this happen to me yesterday with a friend who shoots a compound bow. I was genuinely shocked because I watched him do it on PURPOSE! I would've let it slide if it had been an accident but aparentaly it was just his "practice shot". I'll never hand off my bow again , put a splinter in my old bow :'(
@Person01234
5 жыл бұрын
Not to dry fire was pretty much the first thing I learned the first time I was taught to shoot a bow as akid.
@liammcfarlin3923
4 жыл бұрын
I have a small 15# compound bow that I shot when I was younger. When ever I go camping with my only friend who is also an archer I bring it out just so we can laugh when the old arrows won't even enter the target. My dad at one point actually loosened the string so it doesn't even really have any tension when the bow is just sitting there. It's just a fun little bow to shoot and see how far you can stand back before the arrow doesn't make it to the target. One time I had a group of friends over and we were just chilling in my garage. The other archer saw the tiny bow sitting on top of a shelf and I got it down just for fun. No arrows were to be shot as even though it probably couldn't hurt a fly or a wall it's still treated with the respect of a weapon. Another person in the group asked to see it and before I could stop him he pulled back and dry fired it. That was the end of looking at the tiny bow and now I know not to let that guy hold my 50 year old recurve.
@bollockchops1616
6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for educating me.
@annguyen3892
6 жыл бұрын
Also, modern compound bow should not be pulled back with your finger, except for oneida bows that are hybrid and designed specifically for finger shooting. Modern compound bows have very shallow string channels on their cam and are only designed for release shooting. Fingers could twist and torque the string and make it slip off the cam, creating a dry fire. That's what happened with the guy at 4:05.
@Azormik
8 жыл бұрын
I have been dry firing my Composite Recurve for a while without knowing about these dangers. It's scary to know that I could of been seriously injured.
@Egoistic_girl
3 жыл бұрын
I figured that dry firing a bow would probably damage the bow for some reason. Yet when I received my bow, I didn't think and did it then realized I did something I probably shouldn't have done. The bow is fine though.
@patrichausammann
6 жыл бұрын
Same principle for fire arms. Never dry fire a gun, without a manipulation cartridge, because it can break the firing pin. I think this is written in every manual.
@danielpeter8351
6 жыл бұрын
I have a 40# schytian bow. I think i need a new string. If it break away , can it damage the bow material?
@Piper-eo2bj
5 жыл бұрын
This was the FIRST thing my instructor told me lmao
@londiniumarmoury7037
5 жыл бұрын
Somebody almost dry fired my bow yesterday, I jumped towards them and said "Don't fire it" They stopped and i said don't dry fire it's bad for the bow. He said "Okay I won't" The day was saved.
@dickcheese9151
6 жыл бұрын
I dry-fired my compound bow on accident I was pulling back the string to test how strong it was because I hadn't used it in a bit my fingers sliped and I dry-fired it
@rogerx1258
4 жыл бұрын
so why should I not dry fire a bow?
@mikajacobsen860
3 жыл бұрын
If shooting with no arrow is called a dry fire, shooting an arrow should be called a wet fire
@raaawwwraww1959
4 жыл бұрын
dry fire will casue the lbs the draw weight to go into the bow and not the arrow.... so your arrow is not there and the bow will take the impact and not the arrow
@FruitLoops_
Жыл бұрын
NU, my coach told me I could use a sports elastic band wrapped around my elbow and the bow string to practice in my living room on rainy days. The elastic band wpuld theoretically absorb the energy in the same way the arrow does. Do you think this woukd work? I live in a very rainy place, so it's kinda hard to consistently practice at home, so this seems like a viable option. What do you think? Can this work? I trust my coach, but it seems... wrong. I'd like a second opinion.
@NUSensei
Жыл бұрын
If it's a shot trainer (like the Astra Shot Trainer), this is fine. It has to be attached to the string to absorb the energy. However, if it's not one of these, I wouldn't be releasing the the string. You can do SPTs to train without shooting.
@ricardoabreu4997
2 жыл бұрын
Which bow is the one from 3.35?
@ViBoMe
6 жыл бұрын
Nusensei I have a 76 inches longbow and dry fired it not knowing this. Does its length and the fact it is a longbow diminishes the potential harm it can cause? Apperantely, nothing happened
@matthieuvankints3343
5 жыл бұрын
Although i am a bow novice, this does seem clear to me (maybe my physics back groud could be help full) never the less you tell us you have accidentally dry fired your bow. This did raise a question for me. as you are no longer a novice (to say the least) how did that happen. and how can I and other novices try to prevent this from happening. Another question, i understand that this is not considered dry firing but what about tensing up the bow and gradually untense it manually. does this have negative consequences for the bow? i assume not as the energy is reabsorbed by our body and because i see it been done online but i though to ask anyway.
@NUSensei
5 жыл бұрын
I've had dry fires happen for two reasons: 1) the arrow falling off the string - can be fixed by making sure nocks fit properly; and 2) forgetting to nock an arrow - this happened because something distracted me during my shot routine and I continue it subconsciously without realising I hadn't put an arrow on. As for letting down a full draw, this has no negative consequence to the bow.
@matthieuvankints3343
5 жыл бұрын
@@NUSensei Thank you for your quick and detailed answer. I have a date with a club coming friday and am looking forward to it after listing to at least 50 of your video's for now i feel like taking up that bow. Thank you very much for your video's VERY helpfull.
@ArchangelTyrael
8 жыл бұрын
Guy in 4:04 had crazy train playing like it.
@jayster357
5 жыл бұрын
Can dry firing a bow in any way damage the riser, or is it exclusively the limbs that would be damaged? I.e. if the limbs are replaced after a dry fire, is the resulting system as good as new (assuming of course that the archer was lucky enough to elude injury)?
@johnbarron4265
3 жыл бұрын
The riser can be damaged too from dry-firing. What you have to understand is that every material experiences fatigue cracking from repeated load cycling. Every time you draw and shoot your bow, some energy remains in the bow after the arrow leaves. This energy causes the limbs to oscillate, which subjects them to several cycles of varying stress. The limbs in turn shake the riser, though with some attenuation, provided by your hand (this is where hand shock comes from). Over several thousands of shots, micro-cracks develop inside the limbs and these cracks gradually grow, causing the adjacent undamaged material to take up more of the load, which increases the stress on the material. After so many cycles, a limb becomes so compromised that the remaining material holding on can't withstand the stress anymore, and the limb fractures or explodes with no warning signs of weakening. By dry-firing, you increase the amount of residual energy in the bow that the limbs have to dissipate. This puts them through more stress cycles, with a greater amount of peak stress, which accelerates the internal cracking, or fatigue, that the limbs experience. The riser also takes more punishment (as well as your hand), but it is usually the limbs that ultimately fail, rather than the riser.
@houselightkell
5 жыл бұрын
I made my own arrows from wooden bbq skewers; they're really light. Will that be a problem?
@igorstavrovich738
5 жыл бұрын
Nikkove Wolfe maybe try a rock next
@houselightkell
5 жыл бұрын
@@igorstavrovich738 really bitch? Any way, I made aluminum tips now so the weight should be better
@zackbop9045
7 жыл бұрын
maybe i missed it but i was looking for scientifically why not not just the result of it. i assume its because it doesnt have the energy transfer through the arrow or bolt
@zackbop9045
6 жыл бұрын
Cory McNevin did he ? Re watching it
@Robofrosty
6 жыл бұрын
He said it at the very beginning if you still missed it; Around 1:14 he starts talking about it.
@zackbop9045
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah I saw it after watching it again thanks guys
@EverythingArtRelated
9 жыл бұрын
I've heard never to keep your string on your traditional bow, why is that?
@Gamerdude535
9 жыл бұрын
Ivan Ross This is mainly for selfbows (or any wood only bow for that matter) as the limbs can take a set and lose draw weight and performance if left strung for too long. This isn't usually the case for modern traditional bows. Though unstringing them can be a good idea for transporting or storage. And of course you need to unstring any takedown bow before attempting to disassemble it
@EverythingArtRelated
9 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@PwnageJ
4 жыл бұрын
had a friend accidentally dry fired his hoyt compound at 50pounds 0 damage. buy hoyt =D
@Silentbet1of
5 ай бұрын
Seems to me that archery has no basis in actual combat today most the men that participated in this activity forgot that it was made to hunt and war with, dry fire is how you sight in 😂 that’s how you build muscle you don’t get a arrow and shoot when you can’t aim lol 😂 and you don’t get a bow unless you can make one I guess this is what archery is now right ladies ? It’s a game
@NUSensei
5 ай бұрын
Dry fires were never used historically. A modern sport bow can actually handle thousands of dry fires, but the historical bows would explode if shot without an arrow.
@Silentbet1of
5 ай бұрын
@@NUSensei I have literally a primitive bow made from white dog wood dry fire is common to practice, ask anyone who shoots anything don’t go by what some guy on KZitem says who started doing archery a few years ago, any primitive culture would agree with me ask one of the elders how they practice it’s not with arrows first
@Silentbet1of
5 ай бұрын
@@NUSensei also historical evidence shows that the native are still alive today I can ask one how they use a bow it’s not a secret your trying to hard to make it seem like you have some lost knowledge of history lost art of archery lol 😂
@BeetleBuns
4 жыл бұрын
"Even worse, they might be hurt" if someone dry fires my target bow and *doesn't* get hurt, I will quickly remedy that situation
@kbeckstrand5382
4 жыл бұрын
I had a wooden longbow that snapped because someone dry fired it You can bet I remedyed that situation
@BeetleBuns
4 жыл бұрын
@@kbeckstrand5382 hopefully they left with two pieces of broken longbow in a place that they didn't know existed
@Soniciscool1214
4 жыл бұрын
Will you, tho? You could just be a big old pussy irl and not do shit.
@BeetleBuns
4 жыл бұрын
@@Soniciscool1214 could be dude, who knows
@114bleachfan
Жыл бұрын
@@kbeckstrand5382Why were you giving your bow out to someone That didn't know what they were doing. Kinda seems like you're fault
@Juju_Miner
8 жыл бұрын
I know absolutely nothing about archery i just looked up "why shouldn't you dry fire a bow" (because i was curious) and this was the first video. You answered my question, and all follow up questions so thank you :)
@SteelSkin667
6 жыл бұрын
Same ! I just learned it from elsewhere, and I just kind of looked it up, even though I've never touched a bow in my life. Before that, if you handed me a bow I would have dry fired it within 5 seconds.
@tusenbiter
5 жыл бұрын
same
@gideonbowman2689
5 жыл бұрын
Same here, was watching a video on windlass crossbows had a stray thought..... boom 1st result awesome answer.
@geneparmesan8748
7 жыл бұрын
The sticky thing about this is that if you see it in the eyes of someone inexperienced to archery, dry-firing a bow is a very intuitive thing to do: - When people see things they want to interact with them. Pets, cars, bows, whatever it is, it's common to acknowledge it. - It's counterintuitive that dry firing will hurt a bow. Unless you're a physicist, you're not going to think about energy transferring to the arrow in a bow shot. You're going to be thinking: "The string snaps just fine with an arrow in it. It'll snap equally fine with no arrow in it." - Finally, if there's one thing everyone knows about bows it's that they take strength to draw, so most everyone (men especially) will be tempted to do a mock draw. It's the same as seeing a punching bag or pullup bar at someone's house. So yeah, it's usually a good rule of thumb that if somebody's going to be around a bow, this is literally the FIRST thing to say to them.
@garlicgirl3149
5 жыл бұрын
BOOM!!!!! Excellent way of putting it so true.
@stoutlager6325
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's not intuitive that a dry fire would cause as much damage as it can/does. You'd think the difference in force between a dry fire and an arrow fire is negligible considering arrows really don't weight that much. Get in to the math on it though and you will see the difference is enough to cause the damage warned about.
@melo7038
5 жыл бұрын
When you draw a proper bow, that thought should disappear pretty quickly as you physically realise the amount of energy you've just charged and are about to release.
@mhazg6621
4 жыл бұрын
@@stoutlager6325 ey dude, i don't even know why should we dont dry fire before. And after i have, then i think its just simple reason. Ok, but for everyone who haven't known it before they don't
@uK8cvPAq
4 жыл бұрын
I like to think of it as smashing the bow against a concrete wall.
@dpmiller1000
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation.I've never touched a bow in my life, and probably would have foolishly dry fired one if I ever picked one up. I'll know better now. It never crossed my mind that it could actually damage the bow, or be so dangerous.
@SteelSkin667
6 жыл бұрын
Same!
@SuperJhon360
7 жыл бұрын
There was a man who makes goat horn bows and for years he thought that the bone was strong enough that it would never crack so he dry fired almost every bow he made until one day it cracked right along the glue line and the lower limb came up and smacked him right between the eyes I guess he was right the bone didnt crack. It was the glue holding the limbs together but long story short he learned how bad it actually was.
@maxgiardia9174
5 жыл бұрын
you talking about tom lucas?
@smort123
5 жыл бұрын
@@maxgiardia9174 No.
@Viccatrix
6 жыл бұрын
The real problem at hand is that most people have no idea how kinetic energy works. Leads to problems not just with bows, but with a freakin ton of other problems.
@brokenwave6125
6 жыл бұрын
Viccatrix People also don't seem to understand inertia at all.
@lordofentropy
6 жыл бұрын
Physics in general is lost on most people; this is why you have people that think we haven't been in space because "propulsion doesn't work in a vacuum there's nothing for it to push against." Also people that think that there is "no gravity in space" once you get a hundred miles or so off the the ground just all of a sudden it's gone.
@Viccatrix
6 жыл бұрын
I blame the media depicting things wrongs. Like how the sun is always yellow in TV shows, movies, and video games set in space, when its actually white, and if you want to get really technical its actually green if anything..
@Viccatrix
6 жыл бұрын
You get bombarded with miss information and are bound to be wrong about a lot of stuff..
@SteelSkin667
6 жыл бұрын
I'm well versed in physics, but before having this crucial piece of information I would have thought that because arrows are so light, bows only transferred a small amount of energy into the arrow and that the rest of it would be absorbed by the shooter's arm. I was wrong.
@t-man9336
8 жыл бұрын
i bought a crossbow not to long ago had my mate come around cause he wanted to try it to see what it was like. first thing he did picked it up cocked it then straight went to dry fire it for that practice shot. i stopped him just in time and i had to be blunt i said straight up u will fuck my bow up and take your eye out. he thought i was redicoulous and went to do it again so i took it off him sat him down for an hour about how serious it was and then after all that he kinda realised maybe it is dangerous to dry fire. begginers really have zero clue about it.
@NarutoMagicCyclops
4 жыл бұрын
It's more likely he got bored after an hour and lost interest... People are visual, it would've been easier to show him a few videos of dry fires like this one did.
@CourtneyCostanino
9 жыл бұрын
I've only let a novice/inexperienced archer handle my Hoyt HPX setup once and it was a close friend. Generally, no one touches it except me and my coach. The anxiety of someone potentially destroying $2500+ of equipment is worse than me potentially being perceived as being uptight or rude by refusing to let someone touch my bow. I'd much prefer the later. In my opinion, a high end Olympic recurve bow is like a sexy imported sports car. If you wouldn't let a new driver operate your Ferari, you shouldn't be letting a novice archer touch your Olympic recurve.
@patrichausammann
6 жыл бұрын
This counts for expensive tools, electronic equipement, music instruments and model vehicles too. :-)
@notahotshot
5 жыл бұрын
@@patrichausammann And significant others?
@robdeskrd
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah you're definitely a Courtney......
@BothHands1
5 жыл бұрын
Robert Deskins wtf does that even mean?
@robdeskrd
5 жыл бұрын
@@BothHands1 I was being a troll, why you tripping lady? Can't a man enjoy a good old moment of internet buffoonery with catching a case over it, you JERK! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Heather-fz6xe
7 жыл бұрын
I took a lesson at a local archery store and they didnt even tell me this! Crazy, thanks for the info.
@DefZen343
6 жыл бұрын
I knew about strings derailing or coming off the notches of the limbs, I did not know the bow could explode into a fiberglass bomb. Good info. Thanks :) Bows should be treated like firearms, Never leave them unattended and never let an inexperienced person with no knowledge of the safety rules pick it up without the owners supervision. Too many people treat bows and crossbow like toys :(
@hikaru9624
6 жыл бұрын
DefZen343 exactly! When someone asks me about my compounds and wants to draw it I show them how to do it and tell them to not let go of the string! Not had a dry fire yet as a result (partly cause the draw weight is too high for my guests) except by accident...which was years ago now.
@porkswordsman541
6 жыл бұрын
DefZen343 that's what I was thinking. Treat then like firearms and don't leave it loaded, and remember the one in the chamber.
@youtubecommentguy8871
5 жыл бұрын
I was walking down to grab arrows once and an arrow landed right beside me. Looked back saw this old guy looking at the target loading another arrow. Yelled cease fire so god damn loud the instructors came out of their office.... rest assured, the man was kicked out of the range
@abovenbeyond2826
5 жыл бұрын
@@youtubecommentguy8871 I don't get it.
@notahotshot
5 жыл бұрын
@@abovenbeyond2826 They walked to the target to retrieve thier arrows after shooting. Someone else fired an arrow down range while they were doing so. In other words someone shot an arrow at them.
@96Logan
6 жыл бұрын
Some people are haunted by movies, ghost stories, or scary experiences at night. I'm haunted by the time I went to my grandparents house. I brought a couple of friends and we decided to shoot some arrows. Long story short, I have my own compound bow that I use for hunting, so I used that. My buddies used my grandmother's cheepo fiberglass recurve bows. One guy dry fired the recurve and I have had nightmares ever since...
@whyisgamora4191
5 жыл бұрын
You mean the 40 dollar fiberglass youth bows? I doubt 10lbs would've done anything to it tbh
@noureddineelaroussi7680
5 жыл бұрын
First video that explains WHY not just DON'T DO IT, thank you sir!
@whatupguys1
8 жыл бұрын
My grandfather has a compound bow, i remember i once found it and pulled the string but i never throught of releasing. Mostly because I was afraid the string would hit my forearm on its way back. Now I know i could have lost an eye there...
@monkeyfuckingfun
9 жыл бұрын
my mate dry fried my brand new unshot hoyt buffalo luckily he did't break it i nearly killed him
@s.c4754
6 жыл бұрын
monkeyfuckingfun How tf did it almost kill him if the Bow didn't even break?
@ZNotFound
6 жыл бұрын
Biscuit Fan They meant that they got angry at the person who dry fired their bow. (metaphorical)
@Jason-bg7jc
8 жыл бұрын
Shit, I got my compound bow last week and dry fired it yesterday. I'm dumb.
@carlossalazar972
8 жыл бұрын
yeah I used to dry fire my compound and the cams got loose.
@NGorso1
6 жыл бұрын
No, you were unknowing. Dumb would be if you would do it again, purpously.
@thegghackerzplaymusic7459
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah I just dry fired my bow on accident today and I just got it
@slevitron1543
6 жыл бұрын
It happens, how did the bow fair? I know some bows can take it and you are fine while others require extensive repairs. I was just shooting a couple of weeks ago and the guy shooting in the lane next to my wife wasn't paying attention and dry fired his bow thinking he has loaded an arrow. Just completely inattentive; his bow blew up. It ruined the string and cables with many of the strands splitting, both of his cams bent at 90 degrees. I got hit with his peep that flew off the bow it was a $400 mistake easily to replace the parts. I can't imagine what my bow would do if I dry fired at 60# and 30" draw length that shoots @ 340+ fps. I would probably have to buy a new bow if I dry fired.
@tomcervenka7404
3 жыл бұрын
Same! What a bummer!
@hefty88
9 жыл бұрын
I like your videos you're putting up man you giving us a lot of good information and everytime I watch your video I want to go get my takedown for person like me who's never picked up this sport these videos are really helpful so when I get mine
@SnlDrako
6 жыл бұрын
To illuminate it from a layman perspective (mine own) bows really look more sturdy and not as powerful as they are. It (dry fire) seems like something that's 'technically' should not be done, but extremely rarely leading to any kind of problems. However, seeing that even a 20 pound bow can crack itself due to dry fire.... really makes me concede the point that I was wrong about it.
@wheelsndealz
6 жыл бұрын
I know you kinda explained it but it still astounds me that dry firing it could cause that much damage. I'm more interested in the physics behind how a few ounces makes enough of a difference in the energy split between the arrow and the bow. I come from a firearms background so dry firing isn't recommended for them either, but it's not like the gun is going to explode if you do. It would take a lot of dry firing to eventually wear it down to cause damage.
@ShelbyDude1
5 жыл бұрын
I often wonder why...now I know. Thank you very much for explaining---especially the comment about light arrows.
@douglasmoore9362
5 жыл бұрын
I strongly recommend not dry-firing a bow! But that's just a lead-in to the fact that I have a cool looking scar from a dry fire. I was testing a release aid and it failed, dry-firing my compound bow about 22 years ago. Because I wasn't expecting the bow to fire, I wasn't drawing with the proper form and the string fired into my arm. The string and nock locator + string vibration tore a large patch (3x1 inches) of skin off of my arm. I have a nice scar in the shape of a standing wave-form on my arm, to this day and was still pulling bowstring out of my arm months later. Fortunately, the bow was not damaged and I went to a 3 day long 3D archery tournament the next day and won the tournament in the under-18 division.
@TheHuggybear516
6 жыл бұрын
What causes accidental dry fires? I have actually done this my conclusion in the situation was my nocks were too loose for the string and so I think the string actually separated from the nock and arrow so when I released bam dry fire. Any other takes or possibilities?
@NUSensei
6 жыл бұрын
The arrow falling off is pretty much the main "accidental" dry fire. That said, I've had people (including myself) outright forget to nock an arrow.
@simonh1791
6 жыл бұрын
I bought a new bow, new to archery, was testing the draw weight with a few 30 second holds to see how it felt. After three attempts on the fourth my shoulder just gave way about a third of the way through the draw as i had previous issues with my cartillage, doesnt appear to be any damage and probabaly only got released with 10lb of pressure. Want to get it looked over by someone who knows what to look for before i set it up again. So injuries is definitely one also.
@TheHuggybear516
6 жыл бұрын
NUSensei Fair enough. Thanks man keep making the vids!
@scottharrelson1829
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah.... I have one . I was at a club shoot. .. I was so focused on this one particular target. (Early days). I forgot to nock a arrow. Came to full draw settled in and BANG!! Bow blew up.. from that moment on I developed a set shot sequence...
@Silentbet1of
5 ай бұрын
Alright so this guy goes you cant dry fire but look at his new video in 28 second guess who is dry firing lol 😂
@arkman117
6 жыл бұрын
When my father bought me my first bow, him and my uncle engrained it so strongly into me that ive never dry fired, I consider myself a bit lucky as when I was younger I pulled the string back alot with no arrow but never let go, hoping to avoid it ever happening entirely.
@xianartman
6 жыл бұрын
This makes so much sense. I heard this rule before, but as a non-archer or a novice I didn't know why. Thank you for explaining!
@mathijs175
9 жыл бұрын
another possible cause of dry fires.. not nocking deep enough having to loose nocks and to much contact between the nock and your finger... when releasing you might nick of the nock of the string.. or the nock might break when releasing. had several of those happen to my flatbow
@youtubecommentguy8871
5 жыл бұрын
mathijs175 had that happen to a buddy once. His nock flew off the arrow in such a way that the arrow barely moved His limbs were fine tho, they were a a pair of win win carbons, but still it was a painful sound to hear
@dillonqaphsiel7977
3 жыл бұрын
I once dry fired my bow once and three hours later I stubbed my toe. Stay safe out there.
@ninjafruitchilled
6 жыл бұрын
I don't understand the impulse people have to dry-fire. Do they not feel the energy of what they are doing as they draw the bow? I guess with a light bow I get it might not feel so strong, but with anything with even moderately heavy I just don't get it.
@_APV_
4 жыл бұрын
Another point that could make it easier to understand is that in modern compound bows the energy conversion efficiency is insanely high. In one study they measured energy stored at 73.7 J, and the released energy at 71 J. So only 4% lost on friction and other forces, 96% of the energy you generate by pulling is used to propel the arrow. Now imagine not 4% of the force, but all 100% going into your bows deformation. Ouch. P.S. the study mentions that even simple wooden bows had an efficiency of 80%(it says 20% lost on internal friction, which depends on the type of a tree used) which is still impressive. For comparison, cars gasoline engine has efficiency of 18-20%, Tesla's electric motor had 93%, and later models (starting from model 3) have 97%.
@_APV_
4 жыл бұрын
P.P.S the study also says that the energy of the arrow was measured to be 57 J, so now I'm confused...
@Alexander27463
6 жыл бұрын
You also don't take a care without permission. Just thinking of dry firing my bow terrifies me.
@sweetpickles7057
8 жыл бұрын
This was the "Up Next" video from the video that dude made calling his riser a "hand holder".
@bamikroket
5 жыл бұрын
"or even worse, they might be hurt." Haha, nice joke!
@josuemiranda7289
8 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/r62b03V8rZWFhno (Skip to the ending. I cringed when he dry fired.)
@MutleyXIII
8 жыл бұрын
Hi Mr. NUSensei, congratulations for your lessons, thery are quite usefull for people like me, who has no instructor or even archery range to pratice. Today something not so good happened, my bowstring broke while making a shot with my wooden recurve bow (SF Optimo, 68", 28 lbs). Curiously, the arrow was shot, but I could heard a strange noise right after it, as the upper limb vibrated freely without the string tension. I could not find anything unusual with the limbs after that, but I was aware of the posible damages following a dry fire. Could you please tell me if there is a way to safely check I have compromised my bow on this event?
@NUSensei
8 жыл бұрын
This can sometimes happen. While the sound might be terrifying (it's also happened to me), it's actually likely that the bow is fine. Check for splinters and cracks, but I don't think the structural integrity would be compromised. If it was the end loop that snapped, this normally happens after the bow has released its tension.
@flatfingertuning727
6 жыл бұрын
When shooting, I have on occasion had the string slip off the arrow as I was releasing it, and I doubt I am the only one. Would there be any technical difficulty building "beginner" bows with a part that could safely absorb the energy of dry firing and be relatively easily reset afterward (perhaps requiring restringing)? Since the damage in dry firing often comes from the fact that the string puts excessive force on the limbs when it snaps taut; if the string were attached to something that could slip in controlled fashion when subjected to such force, that could safely absorb the energy. A need to restring after dry-firing would pretty well reinforce the "thou shalt not" rule, but limit the damage caused by accidental violations. Competent archers might never flub their release so badly that the string misses the arrow, but I suspect I'm not the only beginner who has done that.
@Jlewismedia
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for these vids, even though theyre over 3 years old im buying my first bow soon and your channel is really helpful!
@BigVlado3
5 ай бұрын
I got my first recurve bow and dryfired it for around 20 times because i had no idea. Luckily it wasn't a full draw I inspected it and the bow looks completely fine, but I'm never dry firing again.
@Crystalgate
6 жыл бұрын
As soon as I was told that you should never dry fire, I was able to realize why due to my knowledge of physics. However, I still didn't know that you should never dry fire until I was told so. The reason being that even though I have the physics knowledge to figure out what happens when you fire with, respective without, an arrow, it didn't matter since I didn't think about it.
@_APV_
4 жыл бұрын
I also thought that I have enough physics knowledge to understand bows mechanic. Untill I read some materials science work on the bows around 5 years ago. AFAIK, the scientists were still struggling with some of the theoretical formulas at the time. It's even more complicated than it looks at first.
@InitHello
2 жыл бұрын
I've been married to my partner J for 10 years. To this day, I ask them and their bow for permission before I handle the bow. Respect isn't difficult.
@SWJarek
8 ай бұрын
My Hoyt Raider vintage bow which is very valuable for me, was dryfired twice in past by my friends(the nock did not snap onto the string). "Nothing happend" but awareness that there are potentially some microcracks in the limbs, it tormented me in a long time, but since then hundreds shots were fired and is still fine. So i hope it holds up.
@gerg1313
6 жыл бұрын
I've know not to dry fire a bow from when I was a kid, but never knew exactly why until now. Thanks for finally putting some context to the rule.
@ahvala7
Жыл бұрын
A friend dry fired my samick sage 40lb. Archery is for sticklers- never do this, always do this...Replace bowstring after every 20 shots, never leave your tab out in the sun... Im just gonna sell everything!
@reznet2
4 жыл бұрын
Incorrect, the bow limbs are put into BENDING not purely tension. Bending is a combination between tension and compression and is how the bow stores energy. The string is under tension but not the limbs.
@renatugaming5730
3 жыл бұрын
Besides lending the bow to someone who doesn't know this, the next, most common thing I see is when the archer doesn't know that the arrow isn't nocked. I'm not saying this because they probably don't care, but because the arrow looks like it is on the string, but when they release.... may seem silly but besides ignorance this is the most common cause I see on the "Dry fired my bow compilation" Please be careful everyone, you don't want NuSensei's archery police department coming after you.
@TheCanadaBoose
4 жыл бұрын
I dry fired my 225lb excalibur crossbow a couple times accidentally with no damage
@ambrosekillpack4841
2 жыл бұрын
This is another good reason not to buy cheap no name brand arrows. You don't know the weight of them and they might not be heavy enough for your bow and therefore you might break something when firing them. It's the same as with a gun, it's a deadly weapon, so maybe it's not a smart idea to fire ammo from a source you don't know trust as Scott from Ketucky Ballistics learned the hard way.
@AndrewSmoot
3 жыл бұрын
That dry-fire wasn't an accident, if it were, the kid would've been about as freaked out as one SHOULD be if they were to dry-fire their bow; the kid simply had NO idea what he was doing.
@TreeRingsExploration
Жыл бұрын
My gf dry fired when I wasent looking and I kinda freaked out. Luckily the bow was not damaged. She was a lil angry but I had to drive the point home. She understands now
@Kayleah988
Жыл бұрын
I accidentally dry fired a modern metal 20 pound recurve bow. the bow was brand new. Should I get it checked?
@toddmiller3387
3 жыл бұрын
I never let anyone handle any of bows especially if there not familiar with bows...i learned that lesson the hard way. Friend tells me how his shot bows before, then dry fires my bow a week before hunting season & total limb failure...lucky I still had my old bow for hunting season...And he did eventually buy another one for me.....
@TheCludo
5 жыл бұрын
one of my pals is lucky to have a bad shit ugly scar on just his eyebrow after dry firing a bo he was not supposed to touch on a medieval fair, he also got lucky he did not have to pay for the damage.
@talyar04
4 жыл бұрын
I got a compound bow and didn’t know the dry fire rule. (Stupid me). I dry fired it like three times right after I opened it 😱. How do I know if it’s okay? I have no clue where I could take it to have it checked out.
@manofmeat9881
2 жыл бұрын
Dry fired my compound bow by accident yesterday when practice drawing. Watching this as a form of self-deprecation
@meatlemonade3338
2 жыл бұрын
in camp as a kid, the very first thing they told us is to never dry fire a bow, best case scenario you potentially mess up the equipment, worst case scenario you end up full of fiberglass shards. one of the contexts in which i think it's a good idea to scare the shit out of children
@thirdworldrider6991
2 жыл бұрын
I don't understandntho... an arrow isn't that heavy....so how can it really make a difference in the release fucking up the bow with out the arrow
@jasonarcher7268
3 жыл бұрын
I had a nock break on me yesterday, as I fired. It essentially dry fired the bow. Luckily, there was no damage to the bow. Just startled the hell out of me, and slapped my arm with the string pretty hard.
@brandonfrench5285
3 жыл бұрын
My stupid ass dry fired my bow a bunch before hitting myself and my friend telling me to watch this. My limbs dont seem cracked but i lucked out so hard.
@UhtredOfBamburgh
5 жыл бұрын
The first thing your friends do when you tell them never to dryfire your bow is to start drawing back the bow arrowless with a grin. Every fucking time.
@Milanv0908
4 жыл бұрын
I accidently dry fired my 25 pound compound bow but nothing broke but i can not go to my shop or pro so i did some test the limbs are not broke the cams are still in good way i tested it with arrows in it and it sounds all normal so i got verry lucky (it is a hoyt by the way)
@gozu9455
2 жыл бұрын
lmao i literally dry fired my expensive bow for fun for a good hundred times before discovering about this issue.
@themanunleashed
8 жыл бұрын
Luckily I knew not to, but I was curious why not to. Thanks for the info 🛈☺
@spazman6117
Жыл бұрын
That was a fkin excellent video. Very inciteful information :)
@davidhall8874
3 жыл бұрын
You spent over eight minutes explaining why not to dry-fire a bow????
@isodoubIet
Жыл бұрын
Is there any actual evidence of this? I see a lot of anecdotal stuff but no systematic testing of any kind.
@santiagofernandezgimenez2098
Жыл бұрын
i once was about to dry fire a bow because i thought it wouldnt do nothing, also once the arrow fell and i almost dry fired it
@papaburger
4 жыл бұрын
But if my bow is made from 1 piece of wood , can I dry-fire it ? ( let say the bow is a single piece of yew ).
@FruitLoops_
Жыл бұрын
I dry fired a 26 pound 170cm recurve bow with limbs made of fiberglass and polyamide. There is no visible damage, and I shot with it around 20 times since. I don't know if it's OK or not? How likely is it that it's just fine and how safe is it for me to keep using it?
@BreadAckerman
Жыл бұрын
Soo we did the same thing
@sergiuszwinogrodzki6569
3 ай бұрын
It surprises me that only now do I learn that bows, even the most expensive ones, are such a shitty quality that they would break when you dry shot them. This is outrageous. Probably could be easily resolved if bow makers simply wanted them to absorb the dry shot correctly, but apparently they don't give a shit.
@NUSensei
3 ай бұрын
This is incorrect. Modern bows are tested for thousands of dry fires. Virtually no modern competitive bow has suffered structure damage from dry firing - but at the same time, no competitive shooter dry fires their bow. The problem is more with cheaper entry-level bows with lower quality lamination. But this isn't a problem that is usually engineered for because bows aren't meant to be dry fired.
@theferalpaladin4350
10 ай бұрын
Thank you for the inciteful and educational experience
@diewindowsdie
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information. I've been to a archery club twice at the moment, but instructor never told me not to dry fire a bow. Last saturday I tried a 55 pound traditional, luckily I was able to draw it and shoot and the idea to dry fire it never crossed my mind. I'm repeating myself, but thanks for this information once again.
@TheConservativeCanadian
Жыл бұрын
How do you accidentally dry fire your bow? I understand you may have sweaty fingers or a sore shoulder, but aside from those situations, I can't see it happening. I have never accidentally dry fired a bow.
@NUSensei
Жыл бұрын
I've nearly done it on one occasion, saw someone else nearly do it on a compound before I stopped him, and have analysed a YT video where someone dry fired a crossbow. It happens when you have a mental lapse and you "forget" to nock an arrow. You go through all the motions of setting up a shot, something distracts you, and you don't realise that you haven't nocked an arrow. It's so rare and bizarre that it's hard to believe can forget, but it's like wondering where your phone is when you're holding it, or walking into a room and forgetting why you went in.
@MirandaMilner
3 жыл бұрын
I’m very new to archery, and I’m just teaching myself. So I’m very glad to know this. I wouldn’t have even thought about this being an issue.
@Crane_pond_Chronicles
3 жыл бұрын
My bow has metal limbs does that make a difference?
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