Crossed "Northwest Passage Expedition" off of my list of things to do after watching this.
@alicejackson771
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this. An excellent documentary. And how refreshing not to have it interrupted every couple of minutes by advertising!
@Mallorypeckard
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks,pleased you enjoyed it,there were adverts, but I managed to cut them out using the editor.
@yingfortheking
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact since this came out in 2001. The ship Terror was found in 2016, sunken at the bottom of Terror bay. Funny how the naming worked out.
@lluviathewolfgirl
4 ай бұрын
Well, the bay was named in honor of the ship.
@jinkim89
3 ай бұрын
But it was named in 1910, long before anyone knew exactly where the ship sank. So it’s still a bit of a coincidence.
@wendyHew
3 ай бұрын
@@lluviathewolfgirlApparently they want to rename King William island after Dianne Abbott the Labour party politician
@grimmertwin2148
3 ай бұрын
That's terrible
@ericnelson4895
Ай бұрын
4rporRR9WRER4Ŵ²ÀQQQW1QŴQQ ((HI@@jinkim89
@warrensloan3467
2 жыл бұрын
The casualness with which he describes sawing off his own fingertips….I’m horrified and impressed simultaneously.
@darrellalexander8259
2 жыл бұрын
He probably ate his fingers ,
@mackpines
2 жыл бұрын
If John Franklin was able to eat his boots to survive, surely you could eat sawed off fingers.
@GrasshopperKelly
Жыл бұрын
Few documentaries *ever* point out those steam engines were purchased from a train yard. They were rated for 25hp and probably produced about 20shp, achieving 4knts. They stowed enough coal on board for about 12 days use. For comparison, the US had already used a 120hp marine steam engine in 1812 capable of pushing a floating battery 4 times Terror and Erebus' weight, and with far more aquadynamic resistance to over 5.5knts. That engine consumed little more coal. 20:20 The boiler wasn't even used until they reached the Ice. But Erebus and Terror *were* towed out to sea at the start of their expedition, by a paddle steamer, with over 200hp. The so called high tech engines were not designed for what they were being asked to do, and were almost nothing in comparison to marine engines already in use. But they were offered a nice cheap deal when sourcing the engines from the trainyard.
@syd1764
Жыл бұрын
They didnt even stand a chance of getting out of any ice packs if they did get stuck. Between the steam engines and the actual boats everything was working against them, considering the conditions that year were the worst seen.
@legitbeans9078
10 ай бұрын
What needs to be acknowledged is that they ate each others buns
@ladygardener100
9 ай бұрын
😢😮 4:29
@seanwebb605
8 ай бұрын
@@syd1764 They understood that they were likely to get iced in for a season. They had expected a summer melt that would allow them to carry on. They thought that they had packed enough food and supplies to last a few years. One winter in the ice was almost guaranteed.
@BrettonFerguson
2 жыл бұрын
"He's resolutely British, but beneath that veneer he was a good man." 😀
@R.Lennartz
10 ай бұрын
This documentary is an excellent companion to "The Terror" TV series, part of the story in the series is fictionalized, but don't let that stop you from watching it, it's great, some of the best acting ever.
@Mallorypeckard
10 ай бұрын
I agree,I've seen the series and It's excellent.
@justinlapid2163
10 ай бұрын
Yeah the acting, visuals and score are so very good and unique. Goodness that episode when *spoiler alert!* ---when hickey half naked stabs Irving with the demented background music and haunting scene after he paces around....yeesh that was jarring
@RichardsonSteven97
4 жыл бұрын
I love just listening to these. Sorry it’s such sad circumstances.
@iansmith8263
3 жыл бұрын
man up, snowflake
@trevormcvety7315
Жыл бұрын
Ya defender cuts to hands and feet, what they do use their legs to block the knife, and defended wounds don’t cut the bone, that’s removing flesh for consumption, I think mutiny was also how Franklin and his twenty men died, the other captain crozier who’d been in Antarctic he would have fought Franklin to leave that ship
@John_Linn
Жыл бұрын
Crozier went south because he and all of the remaining crew desperately want to escape the barren arctic ice…imagine instead going back north onto the pack ice for another winter.
@thenumbah1birdman
Жыл бұрын
and doing so to reach a food source that may or may not have been spoiled and may not have been enough to survive on after that horrid 400 mile hike across the pack-ice. Doing a similar distance to reach what is surely dry land, where game animals live, and where they may run into helpful natives, was obviously a more appealing idea.
@notyourtypicalcomment2399
2 жыл бұрын
Always trying to dim Amundsen’s light, jeez, they were all great explorers, all make for fascinating history
@micheleploeser7720
Жыл бұрын
We’ll be finding the ships now with global ice melting, it’s real folks, 10/19/2022
@GeneralKenobiSIYE
3 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, Mr. Hickey was secretly sabotaging the expedition.
@johnfox9169
11 ай бұрын
If a person gets hungry enough, that person just may resort to cannibalism as a last resort.
@str8cndian
11 ай бұрын
Franklin wanted to find the northwest passage but instead he found his ultimate doom! In an arctic wasteland where nobody wants to live or visit!
@victoriadiesattheend.8478
3 жыл бұрын
Also - how did the Inuit come to be in possession of Sir John Franklin's Gothic Order medal? Could that have been kept by Crozier or Fitzjames, intending to give it to Lady Jane? Could they have been killed or died otherwise, and one of the men taken it then from them? I have always thought that Sir Franklin's body was likely kept in the lost stern of the Erebus, in his quarters, with the intention of it being brought back with the men when they returned to England. However, the Inuits being in possession of his medal makes me believe that perhaps he was buried in a cairn or some type of vault like structure, and the Inuit may have come across him and taken it. Not that I blame them for doing so whatsoever. That's an unforgiving part of the world, and most things the living can use the dead won't need.
@AttyDouro22
3 жыл бұрын
Based on Inuit report it appears Franklin was buried in a grave on the Ice but water and animals found there way in and nothing remained of him by the time they found it. Alot of evidence suggests Crozier may have been alive nearly 10years later in Northern Canada. Alot of goods the inuit found on abandoned rowboats and bodies, maybe Franklin's belongings were there, maybe they were traded for food. I expect we shall never know.
@richardmalcolm1457
2 жыл бұрын
"Could that have been kept by Crozier or Fitzjames, intending to give it to Lady Jane?" That's my guess, but we can only speculate. The Inuit could have come into possession of it when they were going through the camp after the last men had died, looking for objects of value or interest - I tend to doubt that Crozier, Fitzjames or one of their officers would have given it away as a gift or barter.
@feelgoodist
3 жыл бұрын
Sir Ranulph Fiennes. Fuckin nails or what. Ex 22 SAS ,the man is seriously hard.
@lucaspastina
4 жыл бұрын
When History Channel was a history channel.
@Mallorypeckard
4 жыл бұрын
Yes,that's right.
@Chief2Moon
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, before aliens, anticlimactic island digs& flea market acquisitions took over
@leroyhovatter7051
4 жыл бұрын
Shut up. I'm an alien I ran out of gas and had to get back home. In order to do so I passed my intergalactic cock pump!
@saroche
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly, I get storage wars on my regional History channel..wtf!
@Mallorypeckard
4 жыл бұрын
@@saroche Crap,isn't it.
@one_degenerated_ontarian
2 жыл бұрын
40:38 "I got the ends of the fingers in the drawer over there" Jesus fucking Christ just how deadpan and calmly that dude said that just absolutely destroyed me lol
@doggolovescheese1310
Жыл бұрын
For real...just sawing his own fingers off...idk how he survived mentally from that
@dickJohnsonpeter
Жыл бұрын
Well it's just a museum artifact. It's not as if he chopped them off himself.
@dickJohnsonpeter
Жыл бұрын
If I had just one finger in that barrel it would be an tuesday Granville.
@legopunk2655
6 ай бұрын
Legend! That man has zero sentimentality!
@COFFEEWITHBUDDHA
6 ай бұрын
Who the fuck is the guy who cut his own finger off!??
@darj617
3 жыл бұрын
Just started watching The Terror, excellent so far.
@molegoddess
3 жыл бұрын
I'm here after my fifth or so re-watch. Probably my favorite show.
@Barney_rubble983
3 жыл бұрын
I loved the book just couldn’t get into the series I really wanted to but everybody say it’s great
@stevegeek
3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant...just binge watched all 10 episodes on BBC iPlayer 👍
@shammy8703
3 жыл бұрын
You think this is a game nigga? WU TANG!
@malcolmn.pearson6103
3 жыл бұрын
TV series The Terror started well but rapidly descended into claptrap.
@j0nnyism
2 жыл бұрын
Thankyou to that Inuit man paying respect to the memory of that long lost seaman. It means a lot to people in Britain
@nampyeon635
2 жыл бұрын
His name is Louie Kamookak.
@Useaname
2 жыл бұрын
Sadly he died in 2018 from Cancer, at 58. He was very well respected in his field. A bit of a legend
@jb1934
2 жыл бұрын
I too was impressed by Mr. Kamookak's quiet demeanour and evident respect for the expedition. That RN nutjob who confidently asserted that the last expedition survivors were in fact murdered should be ashamed.
@alwilson3204
2 жыл бұрын
@@jb1934 Absolutely
@tacitus6384
Жыл бұрын
@@jb1934 But he didn't say they were 'murdered' and he didn't say by who, just that the evidence suggests they were attacked. He said that the police forensic evidence suggests that the wounds to the hands and feet bones were caused by attack. That could have been attack from delirious crew-mates, or crew-mates who had reached the end of their mental sanity rope and had gone nuts. It could have been by Inuit maybe - maybe the delirious/crazy/starving crew members attacked a group of Inuit they came across? Who knows, it's awful if that did happen and I wish it had not, but I don't remember him saying specifically that the Inuit attacked the sailors. Or as just several scenes earlier attested to, knives were used to cut the dead, frostbitten flesh away from living flesh, particularly on the hands and feet, and where were those 'attack' sign bones mostly found? The hands and feet. So those cuts to the bones could have just come from crew members cutting the dead flesh away of their hands and feet after frostbite or gangrene. It's entirely possible that the guy is just grasping at something else other than the idea of the crew turning to cannibalism (which is an understandably reprehensible thing you hope your fellows don't submit to under the most desperate of circumstances). But at the same time, he didn't say that the Inuit set upon the crew. He just said that the cuts to the bones likely came from 'attacks', which could have a been a wide variety of explanations.
@1Korlash
4 жыл бұрын
Update: The wrecks of Erebus and Terror were found a few years ago. Turns out they were right where the Inuit always said they were. Needless to say, scholars are giving a lot more credence to Inuit oral histories nowadays.
@anihtgenga4096
4 жыл бұрын
@@user-me1tk9yx2l -- "Many wagon come."
@normanbraslow7902
4 жыл бұрын
jj abou, I heard that the wrecks were pretty close to where the Inuit said, not precisely of course, but close enough. Give them the credit they deserve.
@garymingy8671
4 жыл бұрын
One mast was intact , above water about 5 feet
@normanbraslow7902
4 жыл бұрын
Gary Mingy, as I recall, the Inuits reported that. Given the vital necessity for them to know the geography of the area, they knew that they were talking about, I'd bet my own life.
@kylew.4896
4 жыл бұрын
Oral history, just like all sources are considered by the best researchers especially when studying non western cultures. Far more interesting especially from a historiography point of view
@tessafreyer6948
3 жыл бұрын
The Terror miniseries supercharged my interest in the voyage, the vessels, and the men who crewed them.
@Mallorypeckard
3 жыл бұрын
It has for loads of people.
@malcolmn.pearson6103
3 жыл бұрын
A pity the series descended into utter tripe.
@tessafreyer6948
3 жыл бұрын
@@malcolmn.pearson6103 You're referring to the second season?
@thenumbah1birdman
8 ай бұрын
@@tessafreyer6948either that or manbearpig-at least the manbearpig in the book was scary.
@KnightOnBaldMountain
7 ай бұрын
The scary thing is that he is half man, half bear, and half pig. I’m totally serial.
@danielvazquez7482
2 жыл бұрын
Of course there was canabalism, the local reports of it, the cut marks, the man clutching his rifle as if to say “not me”.... one can imagine a casting of lots. What I can also imagine is someone thinking, I’m not letting you kill me for food. What one cannot imagine is the frightening psychological desperation.
@theodoresmith5272
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. It was common for ship wrecked and lost at sea people to do it and for that matter whenever there are starvation events like the Donner party.
@louismartinez4467
12 күн бұрын
I remember one of those radio shows I used to listen to during lunch Paul Harvey he talked about cannibalism on the high seas heavy stuff n e jest of story was the whole event was story written about 200 years before it happen but Edgar Allen Poe.
@kylew.4896
4 жыл бұрын
45:40 hes in denial. This is why "military historian" isnt really a field of study and is more a passion or hobby for military enthusiasts. Research requires understanding historiography. He doesn't only discount the native oral histories but stops short of calling them all bloody savages
@mrtoad3582
2 жыл бұрын
Dude these aren't bullshit artists 40:33
@seankelly7211
2 жыл бұрын
I`m glad that you caught that too! So, this "Historian" is implying that the Inuit attacked and killed the remaining survivors?? What a stupid bigoted statement! The Inuit people are and always have been peaceful, and most certainly would have sheltered, fed, and cared for Franklin`s men had they met up in those dire circumstances. Also, for Him to say that the Inuit "lived on the edge of survival" is quite incorrect. The Inuit have lived in their traditional ways for thousands of years, and have survived just fine in harmony with nature. Canada`s northern-most islands are part of two Provincial mainland territories, Northwest Territories and Nunavut, and those areas (as well as northern Yukon, northern Quebec, northern Alaska and northwestern Greenland) are the Inuit`s ancestral homeland. The Inuit are not, and never have been, the murderous savages that this "Historian" implies.
@cameroncameron2826
2 жыл бұрын
@@seankelly7211 I'd agree with your remarks and the others completely. The trouble with freemasons is that their inculcation urges them to defend any members of the secret society without any boundaries & no matter how many years ago in history. One of the saddest things is that establishment linked people are without doubt the architects of political correctness. Therefore such hostile racism is disturbing as the Inuit did not harm franklins expedition in any way.
@seankelly7211
2 жыл бұрын
@@cameroncameron2826 I hope that I didn`t appear too angry in my defense of our Inuit people, and I totally agree with your comments about the Free Mason "Brotherhood"!
@cameroncameron2826
2 жыл бұрын
@@seankelly7211 Not at all too angry. An adverse social phenomenon with respect to tribal aspects of a certain western oral tradition has frequently attempted to place important records concerning the inuit incorrectly. Therefore such is only quintessential within a social conscience that knows better. Furthermore only wishes to be authentically human when speaking in support of the Inuit it would seem (to my humble opinion).
@prinecash
2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this. I spent 2 years on Cornwallis Island 1963 and 1964., just a bit West of Beechey Island and was fortunate to visit the Island and see where they spent the winter of 1847. I was a member of the Joint Arctic Weather Stations (JAWS), jointly staffed by Canadian and American personnel, which existed from 1947 to 1972. The stations were then, and are now, manned by only Canadian staff.
@Mallorypeckard
2 жыл бұрын
Really pleased you enjoyed this.
@NorthernSweetPea
Ай бұрын
That must have been such a wonderful experience
@sandrakorleski8241
27 күн бұрын
That's amazing
@shapz9975
2 жыл бұрын
Frostbite guy really caught me off guard 😂
@LadyBeyondTheWall
Жыл бұрын
Dude - same! Just sitting here watching and all of a sudden my guy casually mentions how he cut his fingers off a few weeks ago and has them in a drawer a few feet away! 😂
@OTL_Entertainment
Жыл бұрын
Big time lol
@xlnuniex
Жыл бұрын
40:10 I love the reveal after he moves his hands apart 🤝😮 🪚🫲
@JasonXBeats
Жыл бұрын
💀 😅
@DA-bp8lf
Жыл бұрын
Your comment reveals a lot about yourself. You are definitely someone that avoids pain and suffering at all cost. When you suffer you learn a little more about yourself and the world around you. When you avoid it, you don’t even know why your here.
@Huntress_Hannah
3 жыл бұрын
That dude who turned down the journey to stay home with his wife successfully dodged being eaten
@Itried20takennames
4 жыл бұрын
“Cut marks mean attack, not cannibalism.” First, they were down to the bone, and sometimes several parallel scratches right next to each other (as per another documentary). A bit precise for a fight, especially against Inuit who had few metal weapons. Second, on the feet/ankles as well as hands? Doesn’t seem to fit an attack.
@Mallorypeckard
4 жыл бұрын
Yes,I believe it was cannabilism,as do most others,Ernie Coleman is in the minority.
@dubb9020
4 жыл бұрын
maybe they tried bleeding him out and trying to purify his body tto hopefully rid any disease .... i doubt they ate him with a fire so
@Itried20takennames
3 жыл бұрын
@Wal Leece Not cannibalism, but I have cut up dead bodies for hours (anatomy lab pre-med school and then during med school), as well as spent months in Surgery and ER rotations, including stitching up wounds under many circumstances, including knife wounds. But as I said in the OP, there is another doc clearly showing magnified, repeated, parallel cuts on the wrist and ankle bones from the expedition, which to me is pretty persuasive. It was rare for knife wounds to reach bone in my ER experience, and unheard of for there to be multiple cuts on bone right next to each other.
@mamavswild
3 жыл бұрын
@@Itried20takennames Quite convincing indeed. Besides, I don’t think the Inuit are known for their warlike qualities.
@thenumbah1birdman
3 жыл бұрын
@@mamavswild They were not. The Inuit actually remember the winters of 1845-1850 as "the savage/merciless winter"-where infanticide and desperation to find food were rampant. If they were struggling to survive, the expedition members certainly were as well, and given they would be far more desperate than the actual inhabitants of the land were, they out of any of the parties involved would be the ones to initiate violence out of desperation.
@NickCharabaruk
2 жыл бұрын
It will be interesting to see how things progress since they found the HMS Erebus in 2014 and HMS Terror in 2016. I look forwarded to an updated documentary at some point.
@patprop74
2 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/sK6vuo5pf2mennY
@TheCarnivalguy
2 жыл бұрын
Along with a documentary, drawers full of readable documents would be splendid! Cheers
@zoulikaotmani3558
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheCarnivalguy every weekend yes
@mikewatte4478
2 жыл бұрын
And they found Shackletons ship
@zoulikaotmani3558
2 жыл бұрын
@@mikewatte4478🎨 ✊🏿🌚🔥💯🎮🌞✊🏼🖼
@sawyerdave1
Жыл бұрын
Dude just accept the reality that they ate each other instead of blaming the locals 😂
@bearlincs
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for uploading this intelligent, comprehensive, and moving documentary. I was born and raised a few miles from Franklin's birthplace of Spilsby, Lincolnshire and the legend is well known here. I've long been fascinated by the stories of polar exploration and knew the broad outlines of the story, but this programme began to fill in the details and raise other questions. It is quite a tale of courage and suffering. The discovery of the two wrecks a few years ago of the ships may reveal a lot more information about what happened, though finding the captains' and officers' logs would be a real breakthrough in this research. The role of Inuit testimony is also shedding new light on the events.
@Mallorypeckard
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you ,pleased you enjoyed it.
@andrewbernard5547
Жыл бұрын
@@Mallorypeckard I njnnnn
@Angela-qr8wl
9 ай бұрын
🌍
@TomTremayne
Жыл бұрын
Any Americans or Canadians watching this who have ever wondered what's meant by the British phrase of having 'a stiff upper-lip', watch the extract from 40:08 to 40:56....even as a Brit, it gives me the chills. Poor guy!
@BlancoDevil
4 жыл бұрын
We should be prepared for this to happen yet again as we reach for Mars and the Moon. The setting for disaster is similar and even more hostile.
@LocestSwarmSC831
3 жыл бұрын
Gonna be some fire 🔥 documentaries circa year 2350
@markhemming318
3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure we've been to the Moon.
@LocestSwarmSC831
3 жыл бұрын
@@markhemming318 He prob meant moon bases
@BotanyDegreePilkerton
3 жыл бұрын
like icarus, trying to reach the thing that will end him, foolish waste of taxdollars, better to invest in permaculture no?
@BlancoDevil
3 жыл бұрын
@@BotanyDegreePilkerton Yes. We are still limited to 1940s rocket tech. 🚀 We already failed in creating a sustainable enclosed environment with the Earth Biosphere project. They threw people into a huge hothouse in Arizona. They could not produce enough food and the oxygen levels got dangerously low in short order. They had to be pulled out. They also nearly started a little war in there also. We could not make a sustainable enclosed environment on earth. And, we are supposed to get it right on Mars?
@wientz
3 жыл бұрын
59:00 Thank you for including this amazing example of respect for human life. On many expeditions the Inuit saved a lot of explorers in the Artic. They always did what they could, but the Artic cannot support 140 men in one place at one time.The Inuit knew this.. the Brits did not.
@lori5353
2 жыл бұрын
Inuit people saved my great great grandfather’s life on two separate occasions during two different polar expeditions (USS Polaris Expedition in the early 1870s and the USS Jeannette Expedition in the late 1870s). Both voyages ended in tragedy for the captains (Captain Hall and Captain De Long) who perished along with many of their fellow shipmates. My great great grandfather survived being marooned on an ice floe with 15 of his fellow shipmates for 6 months in the inhospitable arctic conditions due to the survival and hunting skills of an Inuit couple that Captain Hall had recruited to join the expedition. He only survived the Jeannette expedition because a couple of Inuit hunters just happened to find him and one of his shipmates, on the brink of death from starvation and severe frostbite, as they were sheltering in an Inuit hunting shack they had stumbled upon in northern Siberia (Lena Delta region) after they were sent ahead by Captain De Long to try to reach help for their Captain and shipmates who had already grown too weak from starvation and exposure to proceed any further. He remained extremely grateful to the Inuit people and spoke/wrote very highly of them for the reminder of his life.
@JeantheSecond
2 жыл бұрын
Also, by the time the Inuit came across the men from the expedition, they were stark raving mad. Starving and suffering from various diseases caused by vitamin deficiencies that affected their minds. The Inuit tried to help the ones they found, but the men didn’t react well. I read a couple of accounts of the Inuit trying to help, but being rebuffed. Though I also read that the last time the men were seen by the Inuit was in 1851, 3 years after they abandoned the ships. I doubt they could have lasted that long with help from the Inuit.
@myback2032
2 жыл бұрын
@@lori5353 I read fascinating accounts of both these expeditions in Farley Mowat's "The Polar Passion" about 40 years ago. His Arctic exploration trilogy were my introduction to Arctic exploration and I have been hooked ever since. How amazing to have this history in your own family tree!
@lori5353
2 жыл бұрын
@@myback2032 My great great grandfather was William FC Nindemann. I had no idea about the family history until I inherited an old trunk full of his personal belongings a few years ago. The trunk had been sitting, untouched, in my parents attic for 50+ years. One of the items it contained was the commemorative medal he was awarded by the US Congress on Sept 30th 1890. It also contained some photos, a few pocket knives, a polar bear tooth and a walrus tooth (had to take them to a local university for identification), a patent he was awarded in 1901, a big Ritchie Naval ship compass dated 1895, a sterling silver mens grooming kit, some cuff links, a few first edition books about polar exploration, and some polar maps from the 1870s with hand markings. : )
@myback2032
2 жыл бұрын
@@lori5353 I've googled your great great grandpa and what an amazing Arctic exploration career he had! In addition to the two expeditions you mentioned, he was also part of a rescue mission for the Greely expedition. I think I need to go back and re-read the Mowat book, this expedition was also included. Have you ever read Hampton Sides book "In the Kingdom of Ice"? That was an account of the USS Jeanette expedition, certainly your ancestor would have been a key contributor to this. I haven't read it yet, on my to-do list :-)
@jasonbrown372
Жыл бұрын
Oh, Ralph, I sympathize with your circumstances and admire your solution, but @ 40:40 I must say you provided me with the loudest outburst of laughter I've had since the beginning of the Cov-19 lockdown. Thank you, Mr. Fiennes, your adherence to the "Pack it in, pack it out" mantra is highly esteemed.
@jetzeschaafsma1211
4 жыл бұрын
Can't tell whether this is just my nostalgia for the kind of TV they made when I was still an impressionable young boy, or modern TV is simply too overproduced, too shiny, too slick, too polished.
@Mallorypeckard
4 жыл бұрын
You can't beat a bit of nostalgia.
@marycampbell9567
3 ай бұрын
I've watched this documentary three times and that song never fails to make me cry. It's called "Lady Jane's Lament", for anyone interested.
@chriscrosbymusic
Ай бұрын
It does the same to me. Thank you!
@jbank8447
12 күн бұрын
Thank you for sharing. I was wondering.
@battyforcats4668
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for uploading this documentary. Louie Kamookak passed away in 2018, but I was moved very much by his words. Thanks to him, Erebus was discovered again.
@Mallorypeckard
Жыл бұрын
Thanks,pleased you enjoyed it.
@garmtpug
Жыл бұрын
The wreck of the Terror was discovered in 2016 south of King William Island in what's called Terror Bay. Both sites are protected and combined as a National Historic Site. And exact locations have not been disclosed.
@Angela-qr8wl
9 ай бұрын
🌍
@NorthernSweetPea
Ай бұрын
I was wondering if Louie had lived to see the ships discovered
@AxelSqueeze
2 жыл бұрын
Big respect for lady Jane for not giving up on the search when others did
@Martin-p2f2v
29 күн бұрын
She has a lovely inscription on the tribute at Westminster Abbey. I paraphrase but it is like '...who, spending many years searching for her husband in this life, went on to meet him in the next'
@bartonez123
4 жыл бұрын
40:20 Had to pause the video here for a moment. Ranulph mate, you're not in the 1840's anymore, you can go to a doctor lol. Also, leaving severed mummified human fingers in a desk drawer...someones just going to think it's some beef jerky and eat it.
@adirondacker007
3 жыл бұрын
So I just cut em off and threw em in the drawer over there... Badassery level 10.
@seether931
3 жыл бұрын
Hey, I was going to eat that mummy! -Professor Farnsworth
@dravensdraven4905
3 жыл бұрын
lol with frostbitten fingers it would have been agony for weeks trying to do anything before a doctor or surgeon would have done anything, the fact he did such a good job of it is what suprises me. As weird as it sounds to amputate anything without it becoming a life threatening disaster is rather difficult
@HarryFlashmanVC
3 жыл бұрын
It appears that he chopped them off after he got home.... himself.... he could have gone to hospital.. but he probably couldn't be bothered.
@thenumbah1birdman
3 жыл бұрын
@@HarryFlashmanVC iirc he goes more in depth on it on top gear. He had to wait for a proper operation and was in so much pain he got fed up and took a table saw to them.
@yannickvanlauwe7674
4 жыл бұрын
At this day, they have already found both ships, HMS Erebus (1826) in 2014 and HMS Terror (1813) in 2016.
@teresawright4454
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I had to celebrate that alone constantly told this story to friends.now as a adult it boggles my mind that I have bought canned goods and they have gone bad after 2yrs world end we are doomed lol
@AsTheWheelsTurn
4 жыл бұрын
@@teresawright4454 your comment make no sense at all what the fuck are you talking about?
@vincentconti3633
4 жыл бұрын
@@AsTheWheelsTurn thanks for that! I'm gettin' old!!! Wtf? A kid?
@AsTheWheelsTurn
4 жыл бұрын
@@vincentconti3633 haha yeah I guess I am gettin old too because if that was supposed to make sense in some way It went way over my head...Teresa Wright please explain!
@AsTheWheelsTurn
4 жыл бұрын
thanks for the translation Yar haha
@karanhdream
2 жыл бұрын
Gosh... some of those historians, you can hear Dickens' diffamation of the Inuits in their analysis! An attack, really? Inuits had a different notion of territory than the British and they would not have taken such a risk without ABSOLUTE necessity, like being attacked first! Far more likely, if the cuts were indeed due to a violent encounter (now it has been proved it was cannibalism) I'd bet the British sailors were the ones to attack an inuit settlement to steal the food, sledges and dogs. Had those historians even *bothered* to learn about the Inuits, they would know how peaceful a people they are. Accounts and stories passed down explain how a hunter sheltered 3 survivors of the expedition for a whole winter, how others fed and helped a larger group during their march south. They helped in any measures they could without endangering their families. Truth is, there wasn't much they could do for such a large group but they did try to help when possible. Yes, they were scared by those strangers but their first reflex was not to attack them! Rather try and learn who they were and what they were doing there, in a land even the Inuits avoided because of how barren it was.
@mackpines
2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you. After I read Dickens's account, It made me think that they went to great lengths to hide the truth from the public. It was Victorian England after all and if the general population found out about cannibalism among the men, there would've been a massive moral panic and calls to end Arctic explorations. The establishment had to keep the public calm so order would be retained. John Rae didn't get any recognition for his discovery of evidence of the expedition. Lady Jane tried to prevent Rae from getting any of the reward. He eventually got some but, not all.
@sid7088
2 жыл бұрын
thank you
@glennmandigo6069
2 жыл бұрын
Well historians listen now
@treerat7631
3 жыл бұрын
Back when history channel was good
@Mallorypeckard
3 жыл бұрын
Yep.
@Balrog-tf3bg
2 жыл бұрын
I want a wife like Lady Franklin. Cheered him on until the end, and kept searching until the end
@jdc1957
Жыл бұрын
We all do.
@sandrakorleski8241
27 күн бұрын
Totally an amazing woman!John Franklin was a very brave man
@Balrog-tf3bg
27 күн бұрын
@@sandrakorleski8241 2 years on and I still want a woman like Lady Franklin
@stephenmcdonagh2795
3 жыл бұрын
Incorrect on the steam engine part, they were very weak engines, locomotive not marine engines of only 25 horsepower each, compared with the paddle steamer that'd towed both ships out to sea that had 250 horsepower. Although paddles would've been a bad idea for the job at hand, had the paddle steamer's engines been converted to screw driven engines, and fitted to the Erebus and Terror, the horsepower would've been even greater than 250 horsepower each. Each ship only had enough coal for ten full days of steam power. Otherwise, still an interesting documentary.
@horsecorpse
3 жыл бұрын
45:40 just accept it pal.
@a.williams3037
3 жыл бұрын
"Cut marks can mean they were attacked!" On the feet too? And the neck? And I suppose that pot over there with a leg in it was an unfortunate happenstance... Along with that, you expect me to believe that all the cut marks were down *to the bone* for defensive wounds. Delusional.
@wir154
3 жыл бұрын
@@a.williams3037 Exactly. Didn't hear of any of the searchers being attacked by the Inuit and they were probably in smaller parties than Franklin's men. Also Inuit parties visiting the area were probably small and armed with stone age weapons. I think they would have soon been driven off by a large group of Europeans, armed with modern firearms, if they had attacked. Also, there's been plenty of cut marks been found near long bone joints, just where you'd expect them to be found, if they were being butchered for food.
@karlyoung5089
3 жыл бұрын
It was 50 years later that the North West passage was successfully navigated. The last Viking, Roald Amundsen was the first. First to reach the South Pole also. Amundsen was the greatest Artic explorer.
@Mallorypeckard
3 жыл бұрын
Flew over the North pole too,in an airship.
@CaseyBerard-qv6bi
8 ай бұрын
Wow 🤩
@stephaniefleming2880
3 жыл бұрын
Crozier never got the recognition he deserved.as a person from Banbridge we were taught at school what a brilliant individual he was.in fact a direct decendant of his was in my class.
@Mallorypeckard
3 жыл бұрын
Yes I've been to Banbridge and seen the Crozier monument,and went inside the church too.
@stephaniefleming2880
3 жыл бұрын
William I have lived in Banbridge all my life of 66 years and have never been in that church.but this week I intend to go and see the recognition for crozier.by the way have you read the book ,last man standing,which is all about crozier.brillant.
@Mallorypeckard
3 жыл бұрын
@@stephaniefleming2880 Yes I've read the book Last man standing by Michael Smith.an excellent read,Stephanie,when you go inside the church and look at the stone dedication to Crozier we noticed that they had spelt Arctic and Antarctic wrong,from memory the warden who showed us round was called Trevor,a lovely man.
What about an outbreak of consumption/tuberculosis? Obviously the three men buried at Beechey died of that. Why not then could it have spread to the other men whilst they were confined to the ship? That could certainly kill more than the average amount of men and officers. Scurvy would have weakened them by the third winter in the ice and tuberculosis could have picked them off pretty easily.
@Mallorypeckard
3 жыл бұрын
That's a possibility.
@mackpines
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting documentary. I've never really knew about this expedition. There was another documentary that I watched that briefly mentioned it and said that it was lead contamination from cans that caused the deaths. This video has changed my whole perspective on this subject. Ironically, 1846 was the same year the Donner Party got trapped in the Sierra Nevada Mtns. and here was another group that got stuck during the winter.
@Mallorypeckard
2 жыл бұрын
Pleased you enjoyed it.
@kentkearney6623
2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant observation
@Cacannissius
2 жыл бұрын
Icy cannibalism all around!
@thelegion3682
2 жыл бұрын
Nostalgia overload. Bravo on spreading accurate historical information instead of misinformation as the "history" channel of today does so frighteningly well.
@the_mystery_of_stonehenge
2 жыл бұрын
Go legion!
@Thornspyre81
Күн бұрын
Well, it would have been more truthful if they admitted that Aliens abducted the men and sunk the two ships. What are "they" hiding? Hmm? 😂
@NienkeJoe
4 жыл бұрын
They found both ships. No skeletons in there. So he was buried in the place where the Inuit thinks he is. I have to say I was impressed by his thoughts and his grieving. I really appreciate his knownledge and care. So basis and sober. The way we should all be. And he doesn't get lost in the snowy world. That is amazing too. A blizzard is a confusing thing and snow looks the same all around you. Still he knows where the skull is, without marking. I am glad Franklin had such a great wife. What she did was amazing! And because of her, we know a little more about what happened. Deep respect to the dude that went to search and sled around there and found stuff. Seriously brave. Or crazy, I don't know.
@escopiliatese3623
4 жыл бұрын
Francis Crozier is the real hero of the story, not Franklin, who was well-intentioned but his confidence created arrogance, and later incompetence.
@teresawright4454
4 жыл бұрын
We can thank the locals for just remembering were the ships were located
@AsTheWheelsTurn
4 жыл бұрын
what the fuck are you talking about? this comment makes no sense at all, you sound like a lunatic.
@jorgebarranco8640
3 жыл бұрын
@@escopiliatese3623 How can you said that when we all know that all this poor man we're starving to death and on top of that the poisoning can food who leads all of them to make bad decisions????
@voornaam3191
3 жыл бұрын
@@escopiliatese3623 For this kind of expeditions you need people that can be a very good team. Do you know the Dutch expedition that survived the arctic winter on Novy Zemlya, a couple of CENTURIES earlier than Franklin? Their ship also got stuck in the arctic ice, so they built a wooden "shed" on Novy Zemlyia. The skipper Willem Barentsz understood, that they needed to live a sailors live, on shore, having a watch for polar bears, a church ceremony every sunday, celebrate the Christian holy days, even having fun. One of the things they thought very funny, was making a statue out of a large polar bear. They shot the bears for safety reasons. Imagine shooting your musket, in a snow storm, facing a hungry polar bear, after you tried shouting and scaring it off. After shooting this bear, two or three men kept the dead bear on its feet, until it was frozen solid, a huge white teddy bear. But the story didn't end that well. They hunted and set traps, they survived a severe arctic winter. Perhaps two or three. The ship did not see liquid water anymore. The remaining number of men rigged a rowing sloop, and sailed south. I don't remember how few of them reached the Russian mainland and eventually their home. Skipper Barentsz got ill and died in the sloop. The search for a passage had failed, in a very early stage. They had no idea what to expect, there were several theories and world maps. Even today planning that north passage is not that easy, summer is short, you need the ice breakers and the authorities are taking care of each ship, avoiding fatal accidents. For it is, still, very dangerous.
@escopiliatese3623
4 жыл бұрын
Once again, Irishman Francis Crozier is left out of the his deserved spotlight.
@landru303
4 жыл бұрын
He and John Rae
@Zkkr429
4 жыл бұрын
BC Bob I wonder how many times you can use this before it becomes unfunny..... I already find that your ‘wit’ is wearing thin.
@Mrs.IndiYoung
4 жыл бұрын
Who is BC Bob?
@iansmith8263
3 жыл бұрын
never met a sane Irishman
@RSEFX
3 жыл бұрын
I'm working on a script for an SF film short about survival under harsh conditions on another planet---one nicknamed, btw, Erebus----and have included the name Francis Crozier for one of the key characters, to honor this man. It's nice to see that someone else also noted the slighting of this brave honorable person in this otherwise solid documentary.
@TheGNOMEonCRACK
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for uploading these and this one in its entirety. I saw the post in the group. Much appreciated.
@Mallorypeckard
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much.
@beefmanuel7362
4 жыл бұрын
group ?
@robertjones3613
Жыл бұрын
I recommend reading "Erebus" by Michael Palin. After reading it twice, and watching this video, it all fits together very well. "Erebus" tells the story of HMS Erebus's and HMS Terror's Antarctic/Arctic voyages with great historical detail. Fascinating.
@Mallorypeckard
Жыл бұрын
Yes I read Erebus,great book.
@samkohen4589
Жыл бұрын
Erebus is a great book by Michael Palin, a member of the Monty Python group, brilliantly researched
@nevem5010
2 жыл бұрын
Great, thank you 👍. Like many other commenters, I'm touched by Louie Kamookak's interest in the fate of those men. The fact that the stories were passed down in Inuit oral history is a reminder that the stories of humanity are all intertwined. I'm sorry to hear that he has also passed away. R.I.P.
@mrs.g.9816
4 жыл бұрын
I read the book, "Frozen in Time", and so wanted to catch this documentary to find out more about the heroic and very human characters of Sir Franklin and his men. (I wish I could see computer "life reconstructions" of the faces of poor Torrington, Braine and Hartnell.) I still believe that lead poisoning (along with scurvy) could have affected the minds of all of these men. Also - Unlike the Inuit people, these 19th century Europeans were not so well equipped to deal with Arctic conditions. So terribly sad!
@Mallorypeckard
4 жыл бұрын
Frozen in Time is the book that got me interested in the expedition too.
@jamesfracasse8178
2 жыл бұрын
How could they have been ill prepared for the harsh conditions and environment when these men were top minds in the field of artic exploration?
@stonefox2546
2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesfracasse8178 Hubris. Thinking they were better than those uncivilized people who had to resort to wearing pelts, in climate where pelts make hell lot more sense than "civilized" wool and leather clothes and shoes. Top minds in the field of arctic exploration was more about bringing information to the empire's heart than about actually surviving in the climate they were exploring if things went arse up.
@rexterrocks
2 жыл бұрын
@@stonefox2546 'Civilised' wool and leather are obviously the pelts of animals too and they've been used by mankind for thousands of years.
@Tyra-2534
Жыл бұрын
@@stonefox2546 The britisch polar expeditions always made the same mistake over again: They took too many people! It was madness to take 130 men to such an expedition, Sometimes less is really better than more. 60 years after Franklin, the Northwest Passage was made by Roald Amundsen, who came with the little ship called Gjoa, and six men with him. They spent the winter in an Inuit settlement, and they learned a lot of them, how to live and survive in the Arctic. I think, Franklin and his crew would never had dreamed of learning anything from the Inuit...
@redpilledpict2747
3 жыл бұрын
Barrow's Boys by Fergus Fleming is a great read.(A mix of tragedy and farce, this tale tells the story of John Barrow, Second Secretary to the Admiralty. Between 1816 and 1845 his teams of naval officers partook in an ambitious programme of exploration, scouring the world's undiscovered territories, unprepared for the conditions they would face)
@Mallorypeckard
3 жыл бұрын
Yes I've read Barrow's Boys,I enjoyed reading the biographies in the epilogue of all the major player that were involved.
@JohnSBodle
Жыл бұрын
Can we all agree the guy at 40:10 is insanely determined. I couldn't imagine cutting off my own fingers. And he's so calm about it! The consumate British gentleman. Edit: He is Sir Ranulph Fiennes. He cut off his frostbitten fingers after a solo attempt to the North Pole went bad. After he made it home. Holy shit.
@captaintoyota3171
Жыл бұрын
Well it was that or they rot n u die of sepsis. So yeah id figure out how 2 do it myself if choice was death
@ThomasFerner
11 ай бұрын
Why would he even bother to go " Polar " exploring at such a recent point in time ?....I mean if that's what he wanted to do God bless him I just don't understand why ?
@KS-PNW
11 ай бұрын
@@ThomasFernerwhy do people still climb Mount Everest? Some people just thrive off of the challenge of a thing, whether or not it's necessary.
@wendillon92
4 жыл бұрын
Props to Lady Franklin. She never gave up and in the end it paid off. Her husband was a lucky man.
@geert574
4 жыл бұрын
She was just chasing a naval pension payout 🤣
@wendillon92
4 жыл бұрын
@@geert574 For the amount of effort she put in I'd say she deserves the payout
@RedWolf777SG
4 жыл бұрын
Having a devoted wife like her is such a rarity these days.
@davy1458
4 жыл бұрын
@@RedWolf777SG a wife devoted to herself isn't too difficult to find. Just close your eyes and point in any direction.
@davidthompson8536
4 жыл бұрын
P
@BattleofTrenton
Жыл бұрын
So I cut my finger tips off and put them in a drawer right over there.
@nouda6567
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah i also always defend myself with my feet when i'm attacked
@jackrackham3406
3 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised that guy didn't just come out and call the Inuit "the local savages" or whatever. Like damn, dude, let colonialism color your worldview a little more, why don'tcha
@sithlordhibiscus9936
3 жыл бұрын
YOU TOO??? God I'm glad to hear that i thought it was just me! lol
@riteshyeddu
3 жыл бұрын
@@jackrackham3406 yeah lol
@edkiely2712
Жыл бұрын
Self-amputation, while still having to save your life in unbearable circumstances and impossible odds! The suffering must have been colossal!
@belindacole71
2 жыл бұрын
"Paid for by the Parliament"......You mean the taxpayer don't you? Parliament is paid for by the taxpayer. They are civil servants.
@happykillmore349
11 ай бұрын
Lmao🤣🤣🤣🤡
@XenoJehuty84
2 жыл бұрын
The canning expert comes off as trying too hard to blow off the mishandling of the canning/cooking process and the lead poisoning being a cause of some of the deaths.... Despite tests done to the remains indicating lead poisoning and the notes recovered of accounts of the expedition showed signs of men suffering from lead poisoning, botulism-related sicknesses, etc. Then again depending on when this documentary was done, they may not have done all the testing that has been accounted for by 2021. Dunno why but his testimony rubs me the wrong way given many other documentaries and studies *HIGHLY* agree the rushing of the canned food preparation and improper sealing caused many of the root problems that plagued the expedition. Guy sounds almost like someone from the 1800's who wanted to defend the Navy's blunder in rushing the preparations of the expedition. At least the documentary is right that scurvy was also a highly likely culprit; buuut for that to have happened, their canned fruit and veggies would have had to have spoiled or been contaminated... Right there, the guy's dismissal is full of holes.
@andyz.5431
2 жыл бұрын
The lead tins were likely only the bottom line, another very interesting theory is that on top of the lead from the tins they were exposed by the lead pipes of the stove were distilled and hot water flew and literally soaked the lead out of the pipe. As officers drank from this "fresh" water source directly it would explain their high mortality rate of 40% when they abandoned the ships while only 14% of sailor had died at this point.
@XenoJehuty84
2 жыл бұрын
@@andyz.5431 Upon some further research I can see why some now think the lead poisoning was merely an 'accelerant' to damaging the Expedition members immune systems to worse ailments like Scurvy, and more. Not to mention as you stated, the lead in the water distillation system would certainly have caused more signifigant lead poisoning than the cans. However I still feel the expert dismissing the role the canned rations had still feels a bit too dissmissive, even if the lead solder was not the main cause it was one of the many aspects that ensured this expedition was doomed to fail.
@cameroncameron2826
2 жыл бұрын
@@XenoJehuty84 Lead merely adding to the matters does seem feasible. The way the 3 early deaths reveal good teeth and gums is interesting too. Did these 3 by some chance give themselves access to rations designated to officers only might be the question. Questions like this are unedifying for they would illustrate the elitism. But can never be proven either. I just feel it is strange that the classic symptoms of scurvy were not evident, and that the only other personnel to drop like that were officers.
@manaspie17
3 жыл бұрын
Oh my god… This is what I love! This type of documentaries! I didn’t search for this video. YT recommended me this which is super rare
@Mallorypeckard
3 жыл бұрын
Pleased you enjoyed it.
@MrNickharp
4 жыл бұрын
The History Channel was my Wikipedia back in the day🤙
@lukas_jay243
3 жыл бұрын
Lol poor sod. Now you can learn what really happened in history 😂
@canadaeast8358
3 жыл бұрын
Dude sawed his own fingers off and keep them . Jesus
@canadaeast8358
3 жыл бұрын
@Emil Galant that dudes hard core
@MultiPoseur
3 жыл бұрын
Hey, jerky for later.
@jamesm3471
3 жыл бұрын
Get the Chili from Wendy’s, stick em in the cup and give it a mix, then pretend like you found them whilst eating dinner, then sue, sue, sue!
@jamesm3471
3 жыл бұрын
Nevermind... someone already tried doing that...
@jamesm3471
3 жыл бұрын
@Emil Galant They didn’t get any money, in fact they went to prison for fraud. They made 2 keys mistakes: 1. Forensic Analysis showed the finger hadn’t been stewed at 195*F for 4 hours like the rest of the Wendy’s chili in which the desiccated digit was supposedly found. 2. As the plaintiff’s boyfriend held her hand as she tearfully gave an interview describing how traumatized she was after the alleged, grisly find in her food, one look at the boyfriend’s hand, and you guess it, he was missing a finger.. Don’t make the same phony lawsuit mistake they did!
@baystgrp
3 жыл бұрын
Incredible fortitude and courage, to venture into the unknown for the furtherance of knowledge. A terrible fate. This is a terrific documentary; so evocative of the diligence and attention to facts of the early History Channel. Kudos to the researchers, producers and writers.
@Mallorypeckard
3 жыл бұрын
I miss the old history channel,pleased you enjoyed it.
@donaldbarnes8919
9 ай бұрын
The Inuit are and should not be touted as the killers of these men .
@cobb556
2 жыл бұрын
I highly recommend Scott Cookman's "Ice Blink" as a comprehensive book about the Franklin Expedition. Excellent read.
@walshplumbing336
Жыл бұрын
How about the portrait of 15 year old Franklin bald lol looking like Danny devito in his 60's 😅
@andyz.5431
3 жыл бұрын
A big question remains how many did survive? Some indicators say at least Crozier. I would assume the group around doctor Stanley who made it till Montreal island, too. As there were found no bones and it was already close to their destination Backs Fish River from where hunting and fishing was much easier. Very likely the fittest ones split up and left the core group at one point to increase their chance of survival. I can also imagine that mutiny happened and thats why remains of so many places were found off track the main route like on todd island and booth point.
@tangerinefizz11
4 жыл бұрын
What would the Inuit stand to gain by lying about cannibalism? They didn't stand to gain anything, so sad to say, the poor men really were forced to resort to cannibalism in a last ditch effort to survive. I don't understand why some people still find this hard to believe.
@zakjaggs9761
4 жыл бұрын
Science showed that they almost definitely were cannibals but at the time racism was rampant and people saw the Inuit culture as inferior so the public probably thought whilst inuits may think cannibalism reasonable no brit ever could as the British public were just uninformed
@user-yp3oj5se1i
4 жыл бұрын
@@zakjaggs9761 How tf did you fabricate that idea about the inhabitants thinking cannibalism was reasonable? It was the not "people" that saw their culture as inferior it was the English middle class/upper class.
@wichanee932
4 жыл бұрын
Because it look bad on admiralty, people couldn’t come to term that they spent millions to send those lads stranded and resorted to eat each other.
@zakjaggs9761
3 жыл бұрын
@@user-yp3oj5se1i you are a moron who clearly has zero reading capability
@riteshyeddu
3 жыл бұрын
@@zakjaggs9761 yeah, and I've seen in another documentary that Charles Dickens wrote a couple of editorials along the lines of "the brave well bred Englishmen wouldn't have resorted to doing things (cannibalism) like the blubber eating, blood drinking people have reported" or something like that
@georgenichol423
4 жыл бұрын
Well don Bill for uploading this film. It is a great introduction to this topic and an incentive for further study.
@Mallorypeckard
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much George,much appreciated.
@davy1458
3 жыл бұрын
The library was my internet back in the day....back during the ancient 1980s.
@wichanee932
4 жыл бұрын
They don’t do documentary like this anymore. Precise, well explained, no dramatic replay and very informative.... those were good days. Million thanks for uploading this sir.
@Mallorypeckard
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you,pleased you enjoyed it.
@PibrochPonder
4 жыл бұрын
No skinsperts either
@ZachariahWest
3 жыл бұрын
@E mills Why do you have to ruin everything good with your weird cultish bullshit? Seriously, every video these days, no matter the subject, has at least one of you guys lurking in the comments, talking about how great things were back in the good ol’ days. Stop. Please, just stop. SJWs didn’t ruin history. They continually shine a light on painful moments from our past that we are still dealing with today. I believe Ta Tum’s point, and correct me if I’m wrong, was that history documentaries, NOT ALL OF HISTORY ITSELF, were better before brain-melting reality tv crap took over all the science channels. You took a positive thing such as an old informative documentary being uploaded for everyone to see and made it negative. Stop with the code words and cult antics. Learn about topics such as cognitive dissonance and realistic conflict theory and maybe, just maybe you too can grow up. FYI, I never comment on KZitem videos, but I felt compelled after seeing YET ANOTHER negative comment on a completely non-political doc. Call me triggered. I don’t care and I don’t expect my comment to change your frankly sad worldview. I just want to watch my arctic exploration documentaries in peace. Maybe you should do the same.
@redwater4778
3 жыл бұрын
They speak of these artic explores as if they were to first to voyage in these waters yet they all speak of whalers. Whalers who must have been there first. ??
@XD-te6vj
3 жыл бұрын
@@redwater4778 just because whalers went there doesn't mean they got through to the west.
@clawsewitz4316
Жыл бұрын
Did that guy get frostbite just for this documentary? Sometimes I just don't understand this endless quest for fame.
@victoriadiesattheend.8478
3 жыл бұрын
One last thing. It is absolutely a matter of opinion that Sir John Franklin was "likable". On the mission during which he ate his boots, he not only hired inexperienced Canadian trappers and hunters (because the skilled ones would not work for the pay that the British navy was offering), but nearly killed all of them when he refused to go back when it was evident that they were starving. He also insisted on the first leg of the trip, the on the way part, that they make consistent stops in order for tea to be taken. By the time tea was prepared, tea things removed and used, washed up, etc, when all was said and done, they averaged 8 miles per day instead of say, 20. The Canadian gov.was very critical of Franklin and both they and the surviving men under him (11 of whom died of starvation under his command and insistence that they proceed despite the lack of sustenance) said that he was not fit to lead. The British covered all this up and promoted him instead of reprimanding him. Thus it was possible for him to even be chosen for the Franklin expedition.
@richardmalcolm1457
2 жыл бұрын
"The Canadian gov.was very critical of Franklin..." To clarify, there was no "Canadian government" as such in 1819-20, just a couple of crown colonies along the St Lawrence with no responsibility or connection to Franklin's Coppermine expedition. Who *was* critical was some of the personnel at the Hudson Bay Company, whose outposts were used to help support the expedition (not least because Franklin was seen as a supporter of the rival Northwest Company). Franklin undoubtedly *was* poorly prepared (and ill-suited) for the Coppermine expedition, but that doesn't go to his *likability*. It's possible to be less competent and still be likable, after all - and all of the letters we have from the Franklin Expedition from Greenland in July 1845 attest to an affection for Sir John and high morale.
@victoriadiesattheend.8478
2 жыл бұрын
@@richardmalcolm1457 I am sure that by 1845, when Sir Franklin was on an entirely new mission with entirely new men (note that none of these men were with him on the previous ill fated one), letters written mentioning him were quite favorable indeed. Nobody had been forced to eat insects for sustenance at that point. Being pleasant to be around and being able to make decisions that affect the health and welfare of others are two very different things.
@4thamendment237
2 жыл бұрын
@@victoriadiesattheend.8478 "Being pleasant to be around and being able to make decisions that affect the health and welfare of others are two entirely different things" -- how true, and well said! In this kind of endeavor the latter is so much more important than the former. Franklin probably wasn't as pleasant to be around once he was dead, while the decisions he had made regarding the welfare of his men continued to affect them long after his pleasantness was gone. Franklin's men likely weren't thinking fondly of how pleasant Franklin had been to be around as they sickened, starved, and froze to death.
@abominusrex3205
2 жыл бұрын
Nice point, He also botched up the governer job which he could have made a name with. Having said that, for a mission like this you don't need a well meaning father figure who gets along well with everyone, but rather some one like Crozier, who may not be popular or likeable but whose experience could have made the difference between life and death. We will never know until more written documents are unearthed. I only hope that they find more evidence before my life time.
@harrietharlow9929
2 жыл бұрын
@@4thamendment237 No. Likely not. Much better to have someone who can make at least reasonably correct decisions.
@2serveand2protect
Жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter how "close" it looks on a map. That false sense of proximity was, in many ways, the real danger. There was a phrase in the "Terror"-series, that caught the reality of the situation very well - (quoting from memory): "As of now, once we're stuck in this ice, it doesn't matter if the passage is 20 miles or 200 or 2000 miles away. We are stranded HERE, where everything wants us DEAD, HERE where everything conspires to kill us." A costly obsession with zero benefits.
@thenumbah1birdman
Жыл бұрын
Another quote from that series that covers your point nicely: "Be careful of that word, 'close'. This is the discovery service. 'close' is nothing. It's worse than nothing. It's worse than anything in the world". And the last survivor that Capt. Crozier finds mumbles "...Close" before dying in ep 10.
@joeydamiani86
2 жыл бұрын
The guy with no fingers at 40:36 wasn't he at the beginning of the top gear polor special
@Mallorypeckard
2 жыл бұрын
Yes,that's right.
@mikbe2579
3 жыл бұрын
How the men must have suffered from poor personal hygiene and possibly vermin infestation! Unimaginable the conditions on such a small ship at that time!
@HarryFlashmanVC
3 жыл бұрын
Naval discipline gad a huge focus on cleanliness and hygiene, yes rats were always a problem on every ship. Don't forget by the time of this expedition, the British had been doing this for a very long time and lead the world in naval and maritime power and technology.
@hunter35474
3 жыл бұрын
@@HarryFlashmanVC Bathing isn't really an option when the water is frozen; neither is washing clothes. With only twelve days' worth of coal aboard, there wasn't any to spare for melting water just to wash on a regular basis.
@DeadlyDanDaMan
3 жыл бұрын
Vermin infestation? In the fucking Artic? I don't think so you fucking dumbass.
@hunter35474
3 жыл бұрын
@@DeadlyDanDaManEvery sailing ship had rats aboard.
@nathanreed9643
9 ай бұрын
Im reading the book the terror its loosely based on this voyage the book is written by Dan Simmons its pretty good this is a very interesting documentary.
@Mallorypeckard
9 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment.
@perlefisker
4 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why among the causes of early deaths and proportional high mortality rate of officers, I have never heard mutiny mentioned. Is it because of the same taboo that prevented the British to accept cannibalism?
@EireForTheIrish
4 жыл бұрын
That's interesting, I've always wondered why no notes were left when they left Beechy island. I don't believe they left there in a hurry as the ice was melting. They had plenty of time to arrange a note in a cairn to explain the deaths....
@captaincaveman284
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe the officers where eating more of the canned food than the rest of the men with officers getting more rations than the rest of the crew. Or it could be that the officers led a more sheltered lifestyle and so didn't have the same tough constitution or hard body's that the rest of the crew had.........or more likely it was just hit and miss as to who got sick and who didn't.
@MrChickennugget360
4 жыл бұрын
@@captaincaveman284 it could also be that Officers were needed to command details including expeditions and sledge parties. it could even be the fact that officers bunks at the back of the ship were colder than the crew hammics in the bow near the cook fire Dan simmons book mentions this (Capt. Crozier notes to himself that his bunk at the back of the ship is colder compared to crew hammics near the cook's fire in the bow. This cutaway shows the ships interior regarding crew conditions www.behance.net/gallery/49413053/Franklin-Expedition-Book-illustrations
@asandwell
4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I'm not the only one who has thought of that. The Victory Point makes no mention whatsoever of what Sir John Franklin died of. You'd think that would have at least been reported by Crozier and Fitzjames. But if there had already been a mutiny and he had been murdered, then perhaps they wouldn't have wanted to reveal that?
@geert574
4 жыл бұрын
An earlier Franklin expedition had a man who most likely engaged in cannibalism, look up Michel Terohaute. He was subsequently shot. This also gave the inspiration for the Hickey character in the novel
@trevormcvety7315
Жыл бұрын
They woulda been going insane, hunger trapped in ice, and Franklin trying to be the overlord, I say half wanted to leave the ships but Franklin didn’t allow it, so they killed all the officers and men and Franklin, seems more likely not all this lead poisening
@Dav1Gv
Жыл бұрын
The ships have now been found, more or less where Inuit oral history said they were. I would have thought the conditions were nearly perfect for preserving them and their contents. What is needed now is someone or some country to put up the money to raise, perserve and study them. I've seen the Hunley and the Mary Rose, Erebus and Terror would be even more interesting (and Erebus was built in Wales where I live).
@fogsmart
4 жыл бұрын
Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves...ice not so much
@richardhowe4140
4 жыл бұрын
They didn't do so good against Jean Lafitte and a couple of other pirates 🤔😂🤗
@johnnycash1365
3 жыл бұрын
Savage
@terrybardy2848
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this video it is very informative. The fate of Franklin no tongue can tell. I wonder if they will find out what happened to those sailors. At least they found the ships.
@Mallorypeckard
4 жыл бұрын
My hope is that they find logs/journals in the ships.
@terrybardy2848
3 жыл бұрын
@@Mallorypeckard That would be fabulous!
@joaquinperez959
4 жыл бұрын
These men could not have imagined what was about to happen to them so sad so sad!!!
@Stripedbottom
3 жыл бұрын
Some of the enlisted sailors, maybe. The officers didn't have to imagine as many of them had already experienced or witnessed it first hand, and those who hadn't had the reliable testimonies of those who had to rely on. This is actually most amazing to me - how these men kept going and going on arctic or antarctic missions again and again, until they were killed on one one way or the other. Sir John Franklin, the 'man who ate his boots' - yet he not only accepts a command like this, he yearns for it. Others had already at least once experienced (but survived) what they were about to experience again - abandoning their ships in the ice and making the exacting overland trek back to civilization, always an inch from freezing to death, starving or half-starving, losing some of their comrades on the way. To me, just about the last thing to do in my life after something like that would have been to enlist on yet another such expedition! And yet these men did. It seems almost fanatical on their part.
@diannebdee
3 жыл бұрын
Why is there the disbelief from these British "historians" in thinking these men wouldn't have resorted to cannibalism? It's not too hard to believe they are men first, human men....British sailors second. In a life or death struggle all forms of decorum go out the window.
@Mallorypeckard
3 жыл бұрын
The British historian,(Ernie Coleman) opinion is very much in the minority here.
@theant9821
3 жыл бұрын
Back then all would have disregarded claims of cannibalism back then, British, French, American, Spanish, etc. None would have accepted that as accepted history back then.
@romeaffair
3 жыл бұрын
I think it's a matter of moral decorum on the part of the elite in the British Navy at the time. I bet they knew it went on, but would never admit this in public.
@diannebdee
3 жыл бұрын
@@romeaffair And that "exceptionalism" is wrong headed.
@PiTjlang
2 жыл бұрын
" ONE OF THE WORLD'S LEADING AUTHORITIES ON 19th CENTURY CANNING TECHNIQUES..." WOW... an abstruce academic pursuit even by the standards of mid-century British academia!!
@Tarquin2718
Жыл бұрын
This is an old documentary, but one of the best I could find on KZitem
@Mallorypeckard
Жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@Infinite.Worldz
2 жыл бұрын
They all lost there minds.
@cask1
5 ай бұрын
They did, TRYING. God Bless them all
@fernandopratesi5378
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent documentary. They did a great job showing all the sides of the arguments. We miss you history channel.
@Mallorypeckard
2 жыл бұрын
Pleased you enjoyed it.
@carterthiessen2664
3 жыл бұрын
To find the hand of Franklin reaching for the Beaufort sea
@adrianekelly2966
3 жыл бұрын
🥲🎶
@matthewclark1529
3 жыл бұрын
Tracing one warm line through a land so wild and savage and make a Northwest Passage to the sea
@adrianekelly2966
3 жыл бұрын
@@matthewclark1529 I can’t think of a more simple and evocative composition…moves me deeply. I’ve been singing it for weeks. My cat adores it, seems to feel the energy of it. The lyrics and melody, and Stan Rogers’ rich and warm baritone are in a realm of their own. I may have heard it first, long ago, on Due South. They included/honored many wonderful Canadian musicians. ✌️
@casacara
4 жыл бұрын
Who the hell does that naval historian think attacked them, penguins?
@terrybardy2848
4 жыл бұрын
Penguins live in the South Pole. But there are polar bears and they are big and mean.
@NienkeJoe
4 жыл бұрын
Polar bears. Definitely. They smell the dead body and want it. And yes, penguins live on the south pole. Polar bears and penguins will never meet.
@landru303
4 жыл бұрын
No penguins there
@judgedeath3
4 жыл бұрын
since when do ice bears make cut marks and sharp blade like wounds? xD Their jaw and claws makes completely different marks on bones than what we see that is more from knifes. He maybe thinks the eskimoos attacked them or maybe other polar expedetions? xD lol, bullshit, they werent attacked.
@James-co2nb
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe a mutiny and infighting could be what he was suggesting? That or Eskimos attacking. Definitely not the Eskimos though. Infighting and/or cannibalism realistically.
@hughiedavies6069
3 жыл бұрын
Most people had grim deaths in their time. But dying in the bleak cold miserable isolation of being stuck in the freezing northwest passage is a particularly grim way to die.
@harrietharlow9929
2 жыл бұрын
Not the way I'd choose to go. There is a terrible beauty to the Arctic: nothing but sea and ice, sky and the southward expanse of gravel and bare rock but definitely a horrible place in which to end one's life. I've seen footage of the land round Porpoise Cove on the southwest Shore of Hudson Bay and it's nothing but bare grey and tan rock as far as one can see. That is similar to what the men of the Franklin Expedition would have had to contend with. It's beyond desolate.
@GeneralKenobiSIYE
3 жыл бұрын
The steam engines were not "revolutionary" by any stretch of the imagination. As locomotive steam engines, they were entire unsuited for the task at hand. They had only about 50bhp and were horrifically inefficient. The ship that towed them out of harbor were half the size yet produced over 250bhp and were more efficient when it came to using up the coal.. THOSE are the types of engines the Terror and Erebus needed.
@richardmalcolm1457
3 жыл бұрын
"The ship that towed them out of harbor were half the size yet produced over 250bhp." I believe you're thinking of HMS RATTLER, which was a screw sloop - acually the first screw warship in the world. Commissioned in 1843, she had 200nhp, which was, as you note, a much more powerful steam engine than what EREBUS and TERROR had (30hp and 25hp respectively). RATTLER helped tow them as far as Stromness. Still, the documentary isn't too far off here: TERROR and EREBUS *were* among the very first warships fitted with screw propulsion, and RATTLER only beat them by less than two years. The reason why the Navy used locomotive engines rather than true maritime engines was lack of space: EREBUS and TERROR were small ships, and needed every cubic foot for supplies. RATTLER was nearly three times their displacement, and could afford to have most of her hold absorbed by a big steam engine and coal supplies. Franklin was only intended to use his engines as a minor augment, when urgency dictated.
@tweet334
2 жыл бұрын
Look what modern ice breakers on power need.
@joshevans3452
2 жыл бұрын
@@richardmalcolm1457 Yes, and they only brought 12 days worth of fuel for the boilers. They weren't 'steaming' while also under sail for 900 miles. They sailed. They tried to use the boilers to push through the ice and almost immediately abandoned the idea.
@richardmalcolm1457
2 жыл бұрын
@@joshevans3452 "Yes, and they only brought 12 days worth of fuel for the boilers." True. Which is another aspect of the extremely limited utility of the steam plants. I expect their chief (and sparing) use during the expedition was to take advantage of suddenly open leads in the ice where the wind was not availing. Clearly they would not have been able to make the ships into any sort of icebreakers.
@wientz
3 жыл бұрын
37:15 that guy nailed it. Look at every plane crash, or exploration gone wrong, its always a combination of unfortunate events.
@2msvalkyrie529
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, compare with the Parry Expedition of 1819. ? They were frozen in for 10 months but lost only 2 crew members I think. Melville Island was their Winter Harbour.
@marilyndargis2845
Жыл бұрын
Agree Titanic
@cbachinger
3 жыл бұрын
Why would barely surviving men have to defend themselves? From inuit? These people live in peace and only kill for survival.
@Mallorypeckard
3 жыл бұрын
I agree,I believe they resorted to cannabilism.
@deborahpichardo8396
3 жыл бұрын
I agree. Notice how he casually ignored the wounds found on their feet that was consistent with cannibalism.
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