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@reddo-x3i
10 ай бұрын
nah bro dont even talk about saitama he can't even destroy a universe
@djmark5374
10 ай бұрын
Can someone explained to me why Goku is so relaxed And got hit by a a rock and got hurts. and laser in Resurrection F?
@bobsterclause342
9 ай бұрын
the ki blast thing is explained int hte series it just cancels out you get hit by ki, it deletes. it doesn't heat up the air, it deletes, ino your ki? you loose ki if you are hit?
@Aluja77
9 ай бұрын
6:36 why did you ignore Super where they literally dropped of clothes that would just dig into the Center of the planet? That would also be considered Planet weight and they did it in Base and also trained with it instead of just lifting. That scene literally makes his feat much much more crazier than what Superman did since these clothes must be multiple times heavier than the planet itself if it digs right into the ground. As we know Objects can balance on other Objects even if they´re couple times heavier and lets not forget the Gravity on Beerus his planet 💀 So we went from weird 40ton to probably 15000+ sextillion Tons. Dragonball truly is weird and inconsistent
@trollking6315
9 ай бұрын
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@diogofaria3297
10 ай бұрын
TLDR: dragon ball characters are THAT strong, they're simply miss represented because akira toriyama didnt feel like doing math. Pretty understandable How did I get this many likes bro
@waterh2o299
10 ай бұрын
Pretty much
@Dolphan.
10 ай бұрын
There strength is still definitely over estimated other than the god characters in the show
@diogofaria3297
10 ай бұрын
@@Dolphan. Watch the full video, they're not overestimated. At least not the ones he talks about.
@kindlingking
10 ай бұрын
Maybe Toriyama isn't the one misrepresenting DB characters?
@SabeNo-rh7mb
10 ай бұрын
And poor execution. I still call bull shit on how Goku could be grazed by a *bullet.*
@inkchariot6147
10 ай бұрын
There's no way those weights are only 40 tons, Spider-Man bench presses twice that much. Toriyama really should've wrote a higher figure, considering how much Goku has actually lifted throughout the story.
@rhythmkhandelwal2940
10 ай бұрын
Proof of author doesn't go with what fanboys want
@CAGExplains
10 ай бұрын
I agree with you completely!
@Firez713
10 ай бұрын
to be fair goku trains always base form but yeah should be higher anyway
@My_Master_Waves
10 ай бұрын
AT was bad with telling weight, Goku looks like a unit ever since Saiyan Saga but in Toriyamas mind he weights 62 kg.... 62 kg that's only 137 POUNDS, that's like a like an average 14 y/o boy where I live.
@daizenmarcurio
10 ай бұрын
@@rhythmkhandelwal2940 yeah i find it stupid that fanboys scale db characters to universal yet they destroy nothing more than buildings and mountains.
@themonkeyking2326
10 ай бұрын
People forget how inconsistent toriyama is, bro the Z sword weighs at least 2 planets
@basimali619
10 ай бұрын
Not just Toriyama, do you think 1000 tons is at least equal to 2 planets? This is magetta’s weight in dbs, which vegeta couldn’t budge. 😐
@themonkeyking2326
10 ай бұрын
@@basimali619 aye, don't ask me, I did say he was inconsistent
@basimali619
10 ай бұрын
@@themonkeyking2326 I’m agreeing with you, just added the fact that it wasn’t just Toriyama
@themonkeyking2326
10 ай бұрын
@@basimali619 oh, my bad bro
@0zone_X-u9x
8 ай бұрын
@@basimali619 moving a 100 pound dumbell is much different than trying to move 150 pounds that are resisting you lol
@Grosvenor77
10 ай бұрын
I never considered the G force of their flying, thats actually pretty eye opening.
@JJ-xy7dx
10 ай бұрын
Then close those eyes back up, because G force has nothing to do with your lifting strength.
@L_kira_editz
9 ай бұрын
@@JJ-xy7dxdon't tell me you don't know Physics
@luis-sophus-8227
9 ай бұрын
@@JJ-xy7dx Go study
@JJ-xy7dx
9 ай бұрын
@@L_kira_editz I do know physics, which is why I say this, I even explain this in a comment I did for this video. Humans can take up to 9 Gs of force, but they can't lift that much, why? Because your body's durability has nothing to do with how much you can lift. So explain to me why your first action was to say that I don't know physics.
@waleedabdullahkhan5706
9 ай бұрын
@@JJ-xy7dxhe was talking about durability
@ginnungagapabyss5639
10 ай бұрын
For some reason, the creator of DB massively nerfs the characters whenever he gives out a statement, with the far more impressive feats being nerfed. That's why a gag creator should just avoid making statements beyond explaining or showing the destruction the characters will have.
@Sajin_
10 ай бұрын
Toriyama often likes to simplify things. For example, he wanted to make Super Saiyan a 10× boost, but kaioken already did that, so he made it a 50× boost.
@Jalen0108
10 ай бұрын
He nerfed my Jiren 😪
@ginnungagapabyss5639
10 ай бұрын
@@Sajin_ and now we question if the current SSJ is a 50x multiplier because mastered SSJ is far stronger.
@ginnungagapabyss5639
10 ай бұрын
@@Jalen0108 true
@likeicareusewe
10 ай бұрын
Let's just pretend that scene never happened@@Jalen0108
@tale7955
8 ай бұрын
Remember that time goku had problems to lift an apple that weights 1 kilo? That was the moment i went "Yup, toriyama can't math"
@Rekora_Wulf
8 ай бұрын
Actually, it's very easy to explain. Goku regulates his ki unconsciously, and he is very precise with it. He didn't expect to need to increase his ki to pick up a simple apple. Plus, he actually does lift it once he realizes. If you really want to be technical. 10x Gravity means 10x more every part of your body. Organs, blood and all. That's very very different than lifting a dumbbell of that weight.
@InfiniteEscuro
8 ай бұрын
@@Rekora_Wulf Wanted to say this. Being in two times gravity doesn't just mean you weigh twice as much, it's so much more internal and fundamental than that. We can at least explain the Earthlings easily, in that Human organs aren't designed to be able to function at higher atmospheric pressure, so even if you could lift twice your own body weight with ease, being in 2x gravity would be hell because your body isn't designed for it. Your heart would be under so much more effort, breathing would alone be harder, and it's doubled weight minimum on every square inch of your body; it's twice as hard to do ANYTHING.
@Rekora_Wulf
8 ай бұрын
@@InfiniteEscuro More like, Super Saiyan Hell! 😂 Lifting 2000 lbs and 2000 lbs of gravity per square inch all over your entire body, at the same time. You wouldn't even be able to so much as blink open your eyes.. Edit: I literally thought people like you were a myth.. a polite, respectful, and honorable human being, who is also intelligent? LOL 😂😆
@ultra_plug_clipz
7 ай бұрын
how he Asian but can’t do math that’s like a dik wit no bawls
@kongzillatoho4558
4 ай бұрын
I've always figured that it wasn't the weight that was the problem its the fact that his body wasn't accustomed to the dramatic change in gravity. Imagine all of sudden every single cell of your body doubles in weight, everything feels heavier. You could be the world strongest man, you'd still struggle to even process what the hell is happening.
@thescreengeek8915
10 ай бұрын
To be fair, Wailord is the Float Whale Pokémon and his weigt is actually slightly less than air, which would make him float
@GoodByess
10 ай бұрын
Thank you !
@KaiKrimson56
10 ай бұрын
Is that why he can breed with Skiddy?
@Ibaraki_DX
10 ай бұрын
@@KaiKrimson56 he can do that because they share an egg group, the field group, which is basically mammals with some reptiles and birds, and through weird alternate world science sharing a egg group is enough to make eggs together (which is very weird because im sure humans would fall into the human-like egg group 🙂)
@TheNaturalGamer1
9 ай бұрын
Nope
@Bleeperblopper497
9 ай бұрын
@@TheNaturalGamer1 you're wrong
@josyahbryant8719
10 ай бұрын
It was actually confirmed people like King Kai or Supreme Kai can alter or add gravity to their planets in their realms so even if it was just 40 tons you could literally say that King Kong was adding more gravity to the already 40 tons Joseph makes sense given the fact that his Planet definitely has a higher gravity sense of gravity which would definitely mean heavier things would more than likely weigh more especially considering they could just add gravity to it we literally saw Supreme Kai do this and it was mentioned that something pretty much anyone as a high status can do basically you have to be a kai at least
@Anti-Alphabet_Mafia
10 ай бұрын
Oh yeah "King kong." I love that character in DB as well.
@greschenglin-dz7wj
10 ай бұрын
That autocorrect man. I sympathize.
@theguywhoasked2597
10 ай бұрын
King Kong solos💀💀💀
@kindlingking
10 ай бұрын
Where exactly was it confirmed?
@dragonyt4046
10 ай бұрын
Also king kai's planet has 20x more gravity
@Benescoli
10 ай бұрын
For the 40 tons that Goku has difficulty carrying, it depends on lots of things, we don't know the gravity of the planet, we're going Gohan as a great sayaman to carry a plane that weighs much more than 40 tons, also it depends on the way the load is carried, I can lift 240 in deadlift, but I cannot lift this same load in deadlift or squat, and I think that I would have a lot of difficulty moving if we spread 100kilo over my body.
@breeeza
10 ай бұрын
King Kai's planet has 10x gravity but still Goku should have no problem with 40 tons
@trutyatces8699
10 ай бұрын
The amount of people who don't realize that these characters are training their *bodies* and are *not using Ki* is kinda embarrassing.
@BlitzInvasion2
9 ай бұрын
@@breeezathats not king kai's planet btw (from what i remember i guess)
@paleospino4956
9 ай бұрын
@@breeezaThat’s not Kai’s planet, and he wasn’t using Ki, he was training his body.
@breeeza
9 ай бұрын
@BlitzInvasion2 when he was training with the weights he was dead and on king kais planet
@ben10xultra78
10 ай бұрын
not to mention in the universe 7 vs universe 6 saga in the manga vegeta as a Super Saiyan couldnt lift Magetta fist from the ground and by beerus Magetta fist weigh 1,000 pounds thats crazy
@mijaroprime9509
10 ай бұрын
Wasn't Magenta constantly increasing his weight if I remember correctly? Which is why Vegeta was struggling.
@whatimelol3537
10 ай бұрын
@@mijaroprime9509yes he was this guy obviously was watching it, dragon ball fans don’t watch there own show
@passarovoador6662
10 ай бұрын
Pounds? That's a translation error i think It was 1000 tons, no?
@kapayasiame3632
10 ай бұрын
@@mijaroprime9509 no he doesn’t increase his weight . It was Tupper of universe 11 who can increase his weight. Perhaps you’re mixing them up cuz nowhere in the anime or manga states metalmen increase their weight.
@mijaroprime9509
10 ай бұрын
@@kapayasiame3632 That's lterally what I just came back and said.
@yurazah
10 ай бұрын
My favorite real math dragon ball power scail is how all the characters are shown breaking what is stated as the most durable material in the multiverse, if you compair that to stuff from our universe it generates some astronomical feats.
@scrumt
10 ай бұрын
I come from boxing. Having 20 kilograms extra weight on you while towing fields would most definitely make an extremely large difference accumulatively while doing something like towing a field with your bare hands or god forbid focusing on a fight with a strong resisting opponent who’s trying to hurt you. I am not even marginally surprised that weight makes a difference over a long period of a workout even for someone who can lift boulders.
@scrumt
10 ай бұрын
Not for someone who can blow up a planet though hahaha.
@romus1299
10 ай бұрын
@@scrumtat the time Goku could barely blow up a car.
@scrumt
10 ай бұрын
@@romus1299 Throughout the training and by the end he’s strong enough to contend with a disguised roshi who blows up the moon during that same tournament. But at the very beginning of the training yes, he has to put in effort to move a large boulder and we see his kamehameha wreck roshi’s car lol.
@MotherLover1984
10 ай бұрын
In the video he made it sound like the shell would be worn just in the training, but they were wearing it all the time
@morkegamer
8 ай бұрын
I agree, like if all might had 150 kg on his wrists it would make a difference, because benching 500 kg and having 150 kg on his wrists is completely different thing that’s science. Plus when all might punches he uses his quirk not physical strength
@Slayerthecrow
9 ай бұрын
I Remember Krillin tanking bullets from a machine gun as a kid then in Super gets wounded by a normal pistol. Man, even the filler of the anime give him more credit, fighting against imperfect Cell and outsmarting him despite being weaker while in the manga he got bodied by a robot wasp.
@themangomanjuice
9 ай бұрын
Interesting analysis. Not enough fans of manga and anime realize how overwhelmingly powerful even the human Dragon Ball characters are compared to any other animes or mangas in existence, let alone aliens like Goku and deities like Whis and the Omni King of all universes.
@MikaeruDaiTenshi
8 ай бұрын
Yea, one of the major feats we saw, was the fight between Jackie Chun and Krillin. It was over in a flash, and they had to reenact their fight in the most hilarous scene. However, we don't know if this really happened or was just a joke of the two, but given the feats we see before that, like the After-Image Technique (Phantom Star) Goku and others used several times. But the car lift/throw in the first episode should have increased the powerlevel of all stronger characters in the series by far. I think Tao Pai Pai, and maybe General Blue, where the only other Characters that showed their immense physical strength, if I remember correctly.
@nickyheart
7 ай бұрын
sailor moon negs goku
@yes3802
5 ай бұрын
@@nickyheart You'd make millions if you were a comedian. Funniest joke I've heard in a while
@itsybitsyusitka2170
10 ай бұрын
From how many Colossal Titans could actually fit within all the walls surrounding Paradis to Dyspo's feat of being faster than light somehow being something super amazing in late-DBS just goes to show that most authors are writers and artists first and mathematicians tenth... and for good reasons. The higher you scale something, the harder it becomes to visually - and consistently - depict such grand moments while still keeping it grounded and realistic. Dragon Ball's world never struck me as something Toriyama carefully crafted together with intricate lore and characters: if he needed cyborgs stronger than a space dictator, he'd do it; If there's a grey alien as strong as some top gods, then there is one. With current media so obsessed with worldbuilding and lore, Dragon Ball sticks out a like a sore thumb where new characters and ideas get introduced for one saga... and then are forgotten for decades once a new storyline rolls in. Expecting consistency in regards to feats and/or statements in a series like this will leave one but a sobbing mess if you dare to start powerscaling and not resort to reciting the old mantra of "Just an anti-feat, just an anti-feat, doesn't count!" Besides, in the end Mr. Satan and Boss Rabbit solo neg diff, Hirudegarn is only building level and Metal Cooler has infinite speed.
@luis-sophus-8227
9 ай бұрын
You said it.
@ghosthero0806
8 ай бұрын
even early on in dragon ball, the fact that much of the world runs on capsule tech is just so that the world is more convenient to write in. a world where buildings spring up out of chapstick tubes and entire world populations can be brought back to life once a year is the only world where something like the events of dragon ball could occur without being incredibly dark
@cleanshoesbo
8 ай бұрын
Hence Dragon Ball Heroes. If you didn't think it could get worse oh it gets worse. Also Gohan Blanco and stuff
@Godzilla8111.
10 ай бұрын
Outside of flight and ki blasts examples, the best lifting feat in DB would probably come from GT. When SSJ4 Goku lifted a whole city with relative ease.
@danielendless
10 ай бұрын
Dragon Ball may be the biggest example of Lifting strength ≠ Striking strength
@tentaplayz3691
9 ай бұрын
ft
@BirdieSenpai
10 ай бұрын
This is a topic I've long been passionate about, so this video made my day beyond what I can express in a comment section. I'd also like to add that, as far back as the 21st Tenkaichi Budoukai, Goku has exceeded light speed, as he ran to Rôshi from Tenshinhan's Taiyôken, grabbed Rôshi's glasses, and ran back to where he originally stood, all before the light faded. As for my favorite feat of strength, I'd have to say that's SS4 Goku benchpressing a literal tectonic plate to keep a city from collapsing, which is on the scale of quintillions of tons. Eat that, Superman. Edit: My final sentiment was more of a, "You ain't the only one, Superman," not a, "Goku can but you can't, Superman."
@godzilla4189
10 ай бұрын
Superman has done that and more, TBH.
@davidgreener7060
10 ай бұрын
You are aware Supes has benched pressed the weight of the earth for a few days without sunlight, right 🤨
@kurosaki987
10 ай бұрын
Superman can most definitely lift a tectonic plate..
@jdrmanmusiqking
10 ай бұрын
@BirdieSenpai Dont listen to the Superman glazers. They all like to use "composite" superman with no context Superman's greatest feats come from his random "Power-Up of the Week" not his base like when he flew through a bunch of suns inorder to punch the World Forger in the face. He has alot of high ball feats in base but ALOT of lowball ones in his BASE
@zerechan
10 ай бұрын
"Eat that, Superman" is funny when you remember Superman sneezed away the Solar System in his first iteration and Saitama can literally bench press two black holes. Eat that, Goku.
@Random1567
10 ай бұрын
The 40 tons was BS when Gohan casually lifts an airplane in base….while weaker than he was 7 years ago lmao
@GamingDrummer89
10 ай бұрын
Yeah...in my opinion, the severe lack of attention to detail with the numbers and the fact that they often don't come anywhere close to doing justice to the character's capabilities and feats are likely the biggest pockmark on the Dragonball Franchise.
@l0sts0ul89
10 ай бұрын
"Do you even lift bro?" - Dragonball Characters
@yoshter135
8 ай бұрын
IN DEFENCE OF THE WHALE POKEMON: It’s all air. Wailord is called the blimp pokemon so it’s a blimp whale, not a real whale
@Paur
10 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure the animators in toei have a bigger opinion of the strength of these characters than toriyama. Hell, back in og dragonball, bardock had no problem dealing with space while Goku shrivels up like a raisin at the thought of it.
@drunkenrage8996
10 ай бұрын
When goku and beerus punched they had shockwaves threatening to destroy the universe. Their arms did not even quiver on impact, they stayed straight and strong like logs. Considering how weak this goku is conpared to later. You can comfortably argue he has infinite lifting strength. Edit: Just because its not him lifting something. Does not mean it'd not help show what he could lift.
@cygnusprime6728
10 ай бұрын
Well, it infinite, but if their punches colliding is sending shockwaves making planets rattle on the other side of the universe, they have ridiculously high physical strength in the multi quadrillion+ ton range (easily able to move planets with ease)
@drunkenrage8996
10 ай бұрын
@@cygnusprime6728 I have no idea why you're brining up planets at all. Goku has feats that'd put him to planet range all the way back in the frieza saga, let alone super. It honestly feels like downplay to talk about planets at all When goku stopped dead friezas ki blast and punched it into a planet, that was beyond planetary lifting strength. And Ki blasts in DBZ are physical force more so than heat as some people try to argue. Wounds don't immediately seal like with a light Saber or something, it's just concentrated raw force killing your ass.
@higorss
8 ай бұрын
so Daishinkan and Goku havc the same lifting strength? (infinite) or does Daishinkan infinity is greater than Goku's infinity?
@drunkenrage8996
8 ай бұрын
@@higorss No, I imagine he has higher lifting strength then goku by far. There's multiple levels to infinity. The quickest way to grasp the concept is to ask yourself which is larger. Half of infinity, or infinity. Clearly infinity is larger despite Half of infinity still being infinity, even 1% of it would be. To further go into it. There's also infinites between each and every number we have. The difference between 1 and 2, can actually be an infinite range because 1.XXX can go on forever. You can break a single number into an infinite number of pieces, .001 would be one hundredth of 1. But you can expand that concept to any degree. Goku would essentially have infinite 3D lifting strength due to his beerus clash. Other characters in fiction have shown higher lifting Feats. And it all gets stupid as hell and wonky after 3d in my personal opinion. But it is what it is lol.
@higorss
8 ай бұрын
@@drunkenrage8996 Infinity doesnt has a half because its not a number but a concept 💀infinity cannot be quantified or measured half infinity = infinite + 1 = infinite x infinite = infinity
@Flarztheburningsoul
8 ай бұрын
3:15 Don't forget Mr. Satan has a power level of close to 300 as a human, supposedly.
@UnwantedGhost1-anz25
10 ай бұрын
In all fairness, Super is hardly ever consistent.
@vicc6790
8 ай бұрын
and by hardly ever, you mean never. Super's power scaling was an absolute joke it ruined DB honestly. MFs out here going Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan (aka Blue) and policeman Krillin, Roshi who is 157 years of age and hasn't lifted anything heavier than a porno mag in the past 100 years, and Android 17 out here playing farmville somehow are in that wheelhouse/power level range. It's beyond dumb
@laisphinto6372
3 ай бұрын
Are that Goku gets Hurt by bullets even though my Boy took Machine gun fire and bazookas ON His face AS a Kid before even learning proper ki control
@drebodollaz3504
6 ай бұрын
I think they’re strong. But Akira Toriyama didn’t care or intend for Multiversal and Macrocosm shit. He just wrote whatever he thought was fun and interesting at the moment.
@arkkon2740
3 ай бұрын
Tbf its pretty easy to not write up a macrocosm considering how empty the living universe is. You can just say *all* of them are aliens
@TheArmyofHades
8 ай бұрын
Toriyama made universal level characters while he actually disliked even planetary level fights. A more accurate representation of how strong dragonball characters are, is actually Kakumei.
@Mothy.P
9 ай бұрын
There is a huge difference between sustaining 2500g's for .1 seconds and enduring 100+ g's over a long period of time. Not to mention, flight is ki control in dB and ki control fortifies the body.
@detroitmade6
10 ай бұрын
People love to equate lifting strengh with how hard you can hit
@NordicWiseguy
10 ай бұрын
True. These two are not connected. A professional boxer hits way harder than a power lifter.
@detroitmade6
10 ай бұрын
@@NordicWiseguy facts though you do have rare instances of that not being the case
@2balls4me
10 ай бұрын
Because the two are inherently linked.
@detroitmade6
10 ай бұрын
@@2balls4me not necessarily
@NordicWiseguy
10 ай бұрын
@@2balls4me no they are not. Even if you were physically the world's strongest person you still wouldn't hit as hard as a professional boxer. Hitting is much more than just using brute strength.
@youngblackmamba
10 ай бұрын
I dunno if I agree with you man, I think it would only take 1 Zarbon to destroy the moon imo
@bbrandumbb
10 ай бұрын
Only 1 Piccolo
@mAcChaosCh
10 ай бұрын
only 1 roshi@@bbrandumbb
@Oh_geezzz
10 ай бұрын
Weighted clothes and performing athletic movements is much different than just lifting it’s the same reason bodybuilders can bench 300 lbs but can barely do 10 push ups
@Torengest
8 ай бұрын
Horrible examble. There is not a single bodybuilder that can’t easily do 10 pushups. U could use the examble better with big chunky strongman and pullups or something.
@theabyssalguardian4521
8 ай бұрын
@@Torengestburpees
@Oh_geezzz
8 ай бұрын
@@Torengest no it’s not I know so many heavy lifters that can’t do more than 10 pull ups with proper form or push ups because of the different muscle fibers ask a strongman to do handstand push ups and see what happens
@Zer-mz4rw
8 ай бұрын
@@Oh_geezzz You said push ups in your first comment. There is not a single body builder who can't do more than10 push ups.
@Oh_geezzz
8 ай бұрын
@@Zer-mz4rw y’all knew wtf I ment lmao y’all just wanna argue lol
@MannerdDesert7
10 ай бұрын
Great video, non DB fans really don't understand how inconsistent DB can be
@khulmach9662
10 ай бұрын
Physically, there is a lot of proof that Dragon Ball characters are not super muscular in strength despite having easy planetary destroying power. Lifting strength is weak compared to sending out beams and ki waves.
@ducklett01god
6 ай бұрын
Ki amplifies power
@khulmach9662
6 ай бұрын
@@ducklett01god Yeah, but Akira always showed limits on the physical side.
@justinsden
10 ай бұрын
YES! Another upload! Keep em coming bro! These are amazing! 🔥
@fkeyae4217
10 ай бұрын
It doesn’t make sense how Vegeta couldn’t have lifted a 1000lb mageta
@rhythmkhandelwal2940
10 ай бұрын
Cause Db Super is inconsistent af
@CAGExplains
10 ай бұрын
It's Super dumb, makes no sense at all 💀
@MegaMachiOnline
10 ай бұрын
@@CAGExplainsmeanwhile kid goku going crazy
@mijaroprime9509
10 ай бұрын
@@CAGExplainsCorrect me if I'm wrong but Magetta is said to be able to increase his weight which is what made Vegeta struggle. It make more sense then because even if someone could lift more than say 100 pounds easily, if the weight is constantly shifting I can see how it would make it hard for them to lift it.
@kapayasiame3632
10 ай бұрын
@@mijaroprime9509 that’s wrong. No where in the manga or anime states that metal men increase their weight. In the manga, ssj Vegeta tries to lift him while magetta stares at him with a blank expression. ( dbs chapter 11) No implications of him increasing his weight. Just punches him afterwards.
@Tachyon836
10 ай бұрын
Wearing it and lifting it are very different things. I can lift nearly 100 lbs easily, but if I wear 100 lbs, Id be fucked
@remphz3321
10 ай бұрын
I have a headcanon that characters actually envelop their body with some ki to withstand punches and blasts. Which is why their clothes aren't destroyed
@nuclearwaste2062
9 ай бұрын
Thats not headcanon. Thats canon. Its literally what they do.
@arielgalles2107
10 ай бұрын
I don't think gohan destroying the pod is as impressive as you think because the vehicle was likely designed to withstand external force rather than internal force, and Gohan broke it from the inside.
@TheBloodyNights
10 ай бұрын
While that might be true, Gohan still had to smash through and tear apart the outside to escape. I can't imagine the outside being easy to tear apart just because the inside got smashed.
@sigiligus
8 ай бұрын
Toriyama’s magnum opus was drawing shit on a stick with a smiley face. I don’t know why people take his battle manga so seriously.
@blakecake2702
9 ай бұрын
I'm here for the reminder the 40 tons struggle was in his base form and Goku's known for having forms that multiply his power millions of times over and that's why hes known to be so strong. ssj is 50x ssjb is supposedly 82 million.
@theleinhart3669
9 ай бұрын
Exactly! In that moment with the 40 ton weights his base form was struggling, which was the point. Soon as he went ssj they went to become weightless. That's when goku figured out how to get stronger. It wasn't the transformations, granted the boost is helpful. It was their base form strength determined how strong their transformations became.
@Geetz7
3 ай бұрын
bro pulled the multipliers from his ass
@michaelfr6290
10 ай бұрын
by the end of super goku is easily Multiversal if not higher
@eiric6958
10 ай бұрын
Its not just the amount of weight, it's the lack of rest in between. It's like repping 12 times of normal weight but you cant unrack yhe weight and continue to hold it, it burns so bad. That is why gravity training and weighed clothes training is so effective in gaining strength.
@GodPharoh
10 ай бұрын
Wailord is super light because its the "float whale" pokemon. It is less dense than air and can fly which is the intention of the creators.
@andyf3269
10 ай бұрын
Vegeta trained in base with 400 g gravity. Say he weighs 150 lbs well that’s 30 tons!! And he moves with ease so…. Yeaaaaaa lol Edit:subscribed!! You are the shit my man!
@tentaplayz3691
9 ай бұрын
he really is
@charzanboo9940
8 ай бұрын
You have to factor two things: 1) Goku was floating, and 2) we don't know the gravity of the planet Goku was on...
@CrystalMooGamingChannel
8 ай бұрын
Don't forget that when Goku is lifting 40 tons in his afterlife, there are 2 important factors to consider: 1) The kai's planet is NORMALLY 10 times gravity more than earth, so it should be 400 tons of weight. 2) Goku is lifting 400 tons in MID AIR, not on the ground! That's mean he only use his "flying" ki to withstand all those weights, just to remain in the air (with no support). If he is on the ground, the amount he could lift is far surpass for at least 20-30 times. So Goku in normal form should lift 1,000 tons with no problem, which is about the cubic metal he threw at Gohan and break the Z-sword. Also 1000 tons is much more lighter than the stone mountain that Goku and Krillin moved, once trained with master Roshi when they were kids. And that mountain is over 10k tons. If he can only lift 40 tons, it wouldn't make any sense that his body can handle any ki blast or ki-boost that he's able to pull off. And those ki can even destroy planets or a solar system. The ki clashes when Goku use against Piccolo Jr. and Vegita both require a very strong physical body than 40 tons to be able to still on the ground. ................. but finally, I think Toriyama don't know what the hell he's doing. It's just a mess of his logic and knowledge.
@fulsted7167
10 ай бұрын
SSJ4 Goku lifted part of a city
@TheFirstSSJ
6 ай бұрын
Just wanted to say that the tsar bomba is not the most powerful bomb ever created. It was however the most powerful ever detonated
@aka-fusion8909
10 ай бұрын
Also I wouldn’t consider gohan breaking out of raditz’s space pod a physical strength feat since he needed ki to break out
@saaaaaaaaalt838
8 ай бұрын
On the flying g force thing. The reason high g forces are dangerous is because a part of our bodies are undergoing acceleration while others aren't. Accelerating object pushes against our skeleton which pushes against our squishy organs which can obviously cause problems. If that acceleration was unanimously applied to every molecule in our body, then you essentially wouldn't feel a thing because nothing internally is being jostled about. It's pretty reasonable to assume that ki flight works like this seen as it's a nebulous power that exists within the whole body and soul. If it were explained that ki flight specifically pushes someone's feet and only their feet then g forces would be significant.
@BritianNoDucks
10 ай бұрын
Another thing is that goku, at age 12/13, was nearly strong than a guy that destroyed the moon. Not to mention by the time he was quadrillions times weaker than he is now.
@Simo-d3t
10 ай бұрын
I mean the reason for the 40 tons could be ki control. (Head cannon) Goku probably lowered his power to a state where 40 tons would push his body.
@lordlittletoeq8537
10 ай бұрын
interesting but then why not low enough to use normal weights? and why go super saiyan to fix it?
@julelsonkelson8512
10 ай бұрын
Still makes no sense, only his physical strength at this point should be more than enough to lift 40 tons, effortlessly. It's a big inconsistency, makes no sense at all considering he can casually trade Universal level punches with Beerus on his first time as Super saiyan god and his base state at this point surpasses that
@MotherLover1984
10 ай бұрын
@@julelsonkelson8512That scene was in the Buu arc, still I don't thing present Goku in base is stronger than BoG Ssj god Goku Also I think wearing 40t wrist weights it's extremely different than lifting 40t
@Tachyon836
10 ай бұрын
@@julelsonkelson8512the 40 tons thing happened in the Buu Saga. Long before Beerus. Your point is still true though
@trutyatces8699
10 ай бұрын
@@julelsonkelson8512 "only his physical strength at this point should be more than enough to lift 40 tons." *Uses Goku while he's using Ki as an example...*
@lordlittletoeq8537
10 ай бұрын
alright,,, complicated head theory copout time. so for kid goku, assume his muscles just have an easier time getting a super human boost when in battle mode. regular exercise still stress his body like ours under calmer conditions than being run over by an irresponsible teenager. theory 2# Ki doesnt actually strengthen muscles that much per say, rather does the lifting or damage for you when applied along side the muscles. like an energy exoskeleton. The clothes and weight werent being lifted by the ki as that would negate the training to the actual body. And maybe super saiyan increases natural body strength along side ki amp.
@zerechan
10 ай бұрын
Good video, not sure if you're going to continue powerscaling related content but Dragon Ball in general has been a tricky one (if you decide to remain unbias) as there is so many one-off guidebooks, statements and the fact that the series is ongoing means more antifeats are likely to come along. I think with the writing from Dragonball simply goes off what SOUNDS strong in the moment without focusing too much on the aforementioned. Thats why to this day we have rarely seen feats on the level people scale Goku to.
@yurazah
10 ай бұрын
Theres always Incinsistancies in any power scail debates, goku shouldnt have struggled lifting weights, and superman shouldnt have been blown back by the 200th street level villan to punch him, people ignore the low balls cause it ruins the spirit of the power scail
@kindlingking
10 ай бұрын
The problem isn't inconsistency or author being clueless (although Toriyama is arguably both), it's fans trying to view STORIES as if they are some kind of RPG or fighting game with hard stats. Dragonball fans in particular are so obsessed with their characters strength, they sometimes don't even care about the story quality as long is "new shiny strong" is presented. Which pushes DB further downhill into being an uninspired repetitive screaming fest with new ultimate strongest ever guy being revealed every other week. Can't really blame Toriyama tho, as long as fans are content with subpar writing and endless powercreep he has no reason to improve anything.
@kmgyening
8 ай бұрын
A whole lot of this ☝️
@Ioxna
8 ай бұрын
Goku is afraid of shots and cries when he bumps his head.
@ducklett01god
6 ай бұрын
Well if you tense your body from a punch it hurts less than stubbing your toe
@dlbutters7164
9 ай бұрын
It's not how much Goku can lift heavy weights, it's how he can pick it up and still move around with it. It's simple, just because you can deadlift 500kg (standing still), it's not the same as and also doing punches and kicks and running and jumping around super fast with said 500kg on your back... When Goku used those 40 ton equipment, he wasn't just standing still.
@rodridante
10 ай бұрын
Post Nail Fusion Piccolo when Classic Tails pulls out (100kg vs 10 tons) In all seriousness, nearly no author has a grasp on how hard a character can punch and how much weight they can lift correlate. Is not that much of a math issue because most clearly understand that destroying bigger things require more power, is more of a "Destruction and durability feats don't have an obvious and clear way of being translated into lifting strenght" issue which creates a disparity between the two. Speed is also (mostly) treated as independent from how hard a character can punch or how much weight they can lift, that's why characters that outdo everyone else in speed but aren't anywhere near the strongest in their verse exist, or why characters (usually) don't have to put exponentially more effort into moving as they approach or surpass the speed of light. My point is that, to certain extent, feats should be taken as they are shown (Instead of saying "This character can destroy a building with his physical strenght, therefore they should be able to lift x ammount of weight" we should go "This character can destroy a building with his physical strenght and was shown to be able to lift 1 ton with a bit of struggle"). This however is not the same as completly ignoring inconsistencies in the strenght of the characters, what the hell happened when they tried to open the door to Gero's lab?
@isaacnikolic5895
10 ай бұрын
This is why most of power-scaling is completely nonsense and people should accept it's purely non canonical fun and not determining how strong characters really are.
@alandoan1640
8 ай бұрын
The only reasonable solution I have is that Dragonball physical strength isn’t what makes the characters so powerful and destructive, it’s their ki. Which is confusing, because the characters use their ki to amplify their physical and mental strength, so idk why they wouldn’t be able to lift the amount they could “hit”
@Randoom_dude
10 ай бұрын
‘ you would need 500… BILLION Zarbons to blow up the moon’
@waterh2o299
10 ай бұрын
Short Answer YES
@jesus2639
8 ай бұрын
The faster you move you need to be significantly stronger to move the same weight. Lifting 60lb is hard. Holding a 60lb dumbell outva car window is near impossible.
@SixthAllicard
9 ай бұрын
Dragonball power scalers are pathetic and will find any excuse to cope.
@yashpatel402
3 ай бұрын
Cope
@kitsuaria
8 ай бұрын
Even within early Dragon Ball the example of Taopaipai it gets more inconsistent. The man was able to shrug off a Kamehameha with little more than his clothes being torn apart, but later on it is a grenade what ends up nearly killing him.
@Atreusbon
10 ай бұрын
Keep the grind on Love the video btw
@Jwoosle
7 күн бұрын
Goku getting scratched by a bullet is insane to me still cause that would make him less durable than he was in chapter 1 of Dragonball
@evronian1129
10 ай бұрын
I figured that the lifting 40 tons feat was without enhancing his body with ki, so that was just pure saiyan muscle. Remember that without actively using ki, even someone as strong as Goku can get fodderized by a random freeza grunt laser weapon, when in the previous movie he was trading blows with Beerus and the two of them were collectively shaking the whole macrocosm that is the infinitely sized universe 7 universe, plus its afterlife (which is many times larger that the physical universe itself), and the supreme Kai planet that can orbit said afterlife like it’s a moon or something.
@matthaeuspoeta6461
8 ай бұрын
Not to mention that having your limbs now weigh 40 tons is verry different to just lifting 40 tons.
@MetalCooler_1000
10 ай бұрын
2:00 Yu Yu Hakusho Dark Tournament (ps2) ost
@CAGExplains
10 ай бұрын
Yessir! The closest I can come to playing Smile Bomb without catching a copyright claim lol
@UncleForHire
2 ай бұрын
A lot of inconsistencies can probably just be attributed to the fact that they control their ki in the same way the Flash can control his speed. So he is deliberately never going at full power, not only to conserve his energy, but because he enjoys longer fights. So when krillen throws a kienzan at Cell, he uses his ki to strenghten his skin enough to completely tank it, but when goku gets injured by a lame gun its because he was actively supressing his ki to lv 1 human levels when traveling near them. Like a game admin setting himself lv 1 to hang out in the beginner zone and not oneshot everything he accidentally touches. I also like to think that god ki is so refined that he can not only set his level, but perfectly adjust every single stat, so if goku wanted to fight a lv 1 squirrel, he could use the exact same energy, strength and speed as the squirrel to make it a perfectly even fight, making Goku the safest fight anyone could ever have. If I fought goku l, I would rather fight him in ssb rather than ss3, not because ssb is weak but because with ssb he can probably match my every stat for a fair fight down to the smallest decimal because of how refined their ki control is in the god forms.
@billywilliams8378
10 ай бұрын
This is the powerscaling that is awful. Using real world math and real world numbers to determine how a fictional character ‘s strength overriding even the information the author provides. Not only does it serve no purpose beyond Saitama can beat Goku arguments or Goku can beat Superman etc it ignores contradictory information. Superman can bench sixtellion pounds yet lost to Godzilla and Batman. Gotenks is faster than light yet Buuhan takes time to get to Goku and Vegita (Light can go around the Earth 7.5 times at the equator in a second. So unless Goku and Vegeta can speak faster than sound Buuhan reaches then before they have a conversation) The whole trope is the authors aren’t scientists or mathematicians yet people want to use the feats as they are. It’s cringy.
@yarc9
10 ай бұрын
Superman is vulnerable to atomic radiation Godzilla atomic breath actually hurts supes
@lordlittletoeq8537
10 ай бұрын
It's not just cringy, it's also fun
@billywilliams8378
10 ай бұрын
@@lordlittletoeq8537 Everyone has a different definition and of fun so I’m sure it is for some. Unfortunately the most toxicity I’ve ever seen from fans of fictional work also comes from this
@lordlittletoeq8537
10 ай бұрын
@billywilliams8378 fair, but wouldn't that just make the toxicity itself bad?
@billywilliams8378
10 ай бұрын
@@lordlittletoeq8537 This is the root of the toxicity. The who can beat whom in a fight across different fictional universes. The my favorite character stronger or better than yours. Remove this n what is there to be toxic about? DB a better story than OPM? I doubt much toxicity comes from a conversation like that.
@samur4y542
24 күн бұрын
7:33 fun fact: wailord's mass implies that they are less dense than air
@Solesteam
10 ай бұрын
Basically Toriyama has been messing up his numbers with glorious consistency... Yep, that makes sense.
@thefoker6310
10 ай бұрын
The goat is at it again 🔥
@LinteLightbringer
8 ай бұрын
I just wanted to point out.. yes 20 kg doesn't seem like a lot. But that's a 50 lbs shell. And he was made to do intensive exercises and manual labor for over a month and he couldn't take it off in that time! Have you ever tried?... For even 12 hours? Let me tell you. Even 10Lbs ankle weights for 24 hours gets taxing.
@teezy786
8 ай бұрын
He pointed that out to be fair.
@hydrocannons7573
10 ай бұрын
The problem with Dragon Ball is that power levels are increasing at a crazy pace and yet, feats stay the same. Vegeta in a filler episode destroyed a planet along with its moon with little effort and yet, when he makes his self-sacrifice move in the Buu Saga the SIZE OF THE CRATER he made blows Piccolo's mind. Like, really? Also, a lot of the times statements made by characters don't match what we actually see. Before his death, Cell boasts that his Kamehameha is powerful enough to destroy the entire Solar System. Gohan fires an equally powerful one with one hand, and the two beams clash on Earth. They both put more power into the beams several times, and what do they accomplish? There's an earthquake and by the time Cell loses the beam struggle... THERE'S A BIG CRATER, WTF? The problem with Dragon Ball is that we are TOLD the characters are so crazy strong they could sneeze galaxies away, but we are still SHOWN Saiyan Saga era feats.
@kindlingking
10 ай бұрын
I think it's also presupposition by DB fans that these characters MUST be this strong, even when feats, author statement and sometimes logic itself tells otherwise. Believing DB characters are soooo stwoooong and trying to convince everything else this is the case is an integral part of DB community's identity.
@SabeNo-rh7mb
10 ай бұрын
@@kindlingking Even if that's true, even I draw the line at Goku getting grazed by a simple *bullet.*
@kindlingking
10 ай бұрын
@@SabeNo-rh7mb not Krillin's nose?
@JoaoVitor-ur8fk
2 ай бұрын
ki control, pretty easy to explain
@hydrocannons7573
2 ай бұрын
@@JoaoVitor-ur8fk Why would a villain like Cell go out of his way to minimize the damage to Earth?
@dr.c2195
8 ай бұрын
Wailord is a bad example of your point because Wailord is supposed to be light for his size. I think that because Wailord is the Float Whale Pokémon.
@dawsonbryant56
7 ай бұрын
I always figured an actual logical explanation to this would be that without ki, these characters infact aren't actually that physically strong compared to other high tier anime and comic book characters, but with using their god tier ki to enhance their bodies, they then become the absolute monsters that they are.
@aka-fusion8909
10 ай бұрын
I mean tbf u can’t compare anime characters to comic characters, all comic characters have OP feats especially considering how long they’ve been around, even average citizens can be scaled to insane levels with rat scaling. I don’t scale anymore tho.
@RigalicReign
10 ай бұрын
But one must consider are they base strength training or ki training, by that I mean are they training while suppressing themselves. Using the 40 tons he's struggling before super Saiyan, this after training for some time before they multipled.
@CAGExplains
10 ай бұрын
I used to go by this until the Magetta incident in the DBS manga, Toriyama looked over that and thought "looks good to me" 😂
@daizenmarcurio
10 ай бұрын
They're always suppressed for everything huh?
@RigalicReign
10 ай бұрын
@@daizenmarcurio I mean that would give them the best gains for physical combat allowing them to more finely control ki
@masternick2857
10 ай бұрын
This is really well explained and actually makes sense. Cant wait for the super video
@israelgabriel1989
6 ай бұрын
Ki is not fake, im construction worker i was picking up heavy objects and suddenly got this rush, i immediately noticed the objects becoming noticeably lighter, i literally became near twice as strong, it had something to do with keeping my mind calm, and under my control, then it just happened
@Someguyonline7732
8 ай бұрын
Friezas act of heroism from Vegeta’s beam on namek was more about stopping Vegeta from kill stealing his new toys
@gamgamesplayer4506
8 ай бұрын
He didn't get math wrong. The characters very rarely go full power in the anime, so it's really hard to see how strong the characters are because they are never at full power on training, as doing it will just make it cost more ki and not give any better results. These "Goku 0.001% power" stuff is real. Also, you must consider the transformations multipliers. With all that considered, lets see how much % goku would have to struggle with 40 tons but be able to lift the earth According to research, earth's weight is 5.972.000.000.000.000.000.000 tons Goku was struggling with 40 tons 40 tons x 400 (ssj3) = 16000 5.972.000.000.000.000.000.000/16000 = 3.732.500.000.000.000.000 100 divided by 3.732.500.000.000.000.000= 0.0000000000000000026791695 Considering ki can be concentrated to multiply the power level even more, and considering that explosive power doesn't need as much energy as the one needed to carry such weight, we can assume the minimum percentage goku was using there is somewhere around 0.0000000003% We can see that this is not a joke as goku can get hurt by a gunshot in super, where he is a billion times stronger at minimum on base compared to when he won against freeza, which could destroy a whole planet
@thomasgriffin420
9 ай бұрын
Wouldn't it be 400 tons since King Kai's planet has a x10 gravity? But even that seems low for Goku...400000 seems more likely for him to be lifting without little effort considering early Dragon Ball Roshi is a moon buster
@eg6gsr
8 ай бұрын
they weren't on king kai's planet
@PlayPulse5
10 ай бұрын
there is also gt goku lifting a skyscraper
@krspypatriot3545
8 ай бұрын
he's just saying the numbers like 6 tons and 18 tons, when he's not lifting 6 tons he's doing 10,000 one armed pushups while weighing 6 tons.
@luffylength
10 ай бұрын
Lmao "lets be stingy and say it takes 0.1 seconds" yeah really tryna lowball it
@29Blockhead
10 ай бұрын
Great topic and great video. I’m happy this popped up for me.
@scottneal2738
8 ай бұрын
Don't forget about the bullet. Hit directly as a kid and the scratch he got from another bullet.
@Ptolemy336VV
8 ай бұрын
What you need to realise is this: 1. Piccolo at super early DBZ fought Baby Gohan in Oozaru form. Piccolo at a powerlevel of 1000 wiped out the moon instantly. 2. Nappa, Vegeta, king Vegeta in 2nd arc in super early DBZ wiped out plats and entire Solar Systems. Thet were at a powerlevel of 5000-18.000 3. Then they where UTTERLY insignificant like ants vs Freeza 1st form. Freeza first form was lile 120.000. 4. Yet Freeza at Namek went from 1s form to his 4th form going from 120.000 powerlevel to many millions on his 3rd transgormation into his back then final form 5. Then Freeza is NOTHING against SS1 from the Buu arc. 6. SSJ2 is vastly stronger than SSJ1. 7. SSJ3 is vastly dtronger than SSJ2 7. Then Goku in SSJ3 was utterly annihilated by Beerus like not even an ant. It was complete annihilation 8. Goku transforms into SSJ God. Which is vastly beyond SSJ3. 9. Then SSJBlue is much stronger than SSJ God 10. SSJ blue + Kaiokenx20 makes Goku much much stronger. But Jiren wiped him out no diff. 11. Then Goku becomes UI sign and then MUI. This MUI is vaaaaastly stronger than Blue. 12. Now anno 2024 Goku is in a much much more developed version of MUI. CONCLUSION. Goku or Vegeta today are so utterly bizarly strong its nearly inconceivable. The feats of super early DBZ of Piccolo at powerlevel 1000 and Nappa/Vegeta/King Vegeta, already wipe out most feats of any other universes. But when you take into account that today Goku in MUI is on powerlevels in the septillions. Meaning 12.000.000 000 000 000 000 000 000 So. If Piccolo can wipe out the moon instantpy at powerlevel 1000 Then anyone needs to realise present day Goku and Vegeta are in a way infinitely above that. So even Saitamas greatest feat of sneezing the atmosphere of a planet away, that still is not better than King Vegeta wiping out Solar sysyems at powerlevel of 18.000. And when I already stated that King Vegeta was completely like an ant vs Freeza 1st form already you know that Goku today in MUI is millions of times above Saitama
@higorss
8 ай бұрын
calm down hes just saying that theres weird wheight numbers in DB for example when Vegeta couldn't lift a robot that was said to wheight 1000 tons in DBS
@MARStheFORSAKEN
8 ай бұрын
Always hated how people can get punched threw a mountain which is most likely filled with iron ore and yet when they get stepped on when on the ground they cry out in pain like....what? How is this hurting you? That's not how physics works.
@zombathinlostleghackercat5233
6 ай бұрын
Seems like they lose power faster than they gain it.
@renarddubois940
10 ай бұрын
Goku is a bit like Pikachu, his power level is reset after every arc
@Bedpe
8 ай бұрын
"well no shit, ofcourse they are" is the best line i've heard this year
@edsainmuramasa4751
8 ай бұрын
A reminder that the 40 tons were lifted while in base. When he goes ss1 he can do it no problem
@thebiggestboi_art906
7 ай бұрын
People don't realize that if you're training with weights around your arms and legs it's not gonna be the full weight you can lift with isolated muscles. Just punching doing drills with 5 lbs weights becomes a lot of work pretty fast. Goku could bench or deadlift more than the weights on his body. They're not used for the same purpose
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