Viking, I want to say this about your channel which is all you I believe to be inside out but you are the person I think that should be in Joe Rogan's place of broadcasting topics of interest. I'm going to see if I could make some moves and hopefully down the road, you will be interested in working for a much larger range of viewers unfiltered and still do your KZitem channel. I've come to really enjoy your videos and I say you're the best right now in many genre areas. I talk crap sometimes about some of your more obnoxious guest but it's all for fun unless they come search me out and find me and find out I'm a guy who always has two buddies with him and 30 of their friends so I'm not really worried.
@VikingSamurai
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for keeping me in mind for any potential future opportunities bigger than and outside of the channel.
@Texasmade76
Жыл бұрын
@Dr. Octogon so it wasn't developed by Chinese immigrants in the 6th century, originally called shinobi
@vultureguy33
2 жыл бұрын
"Ninjas don't exist" is exactly what a ninja would want you to think
@Markbell73
2 жыл бұрын
Tengen Uzui approves this message, as well. 👌
@tem3111
Жыл бұрын
Bigfoot said the same thing.
@Magneticlaw
Жыл бұрын
And thus, proving that they are real, at least that's what the Devil would do. 😈
@HardingDojo
11 ай бұрын
Thats actually the problem, its a built in excuse.
@arielquelme
4 ай бұрын
MiB also They will wipe ur mind 💀
@vinnyvincent2862
Жыл бұрын
That's my 50 year allusion Shattered ! 🤯🙏
@pausetape8824
Жыл бұрын
He is telling the truth 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
@Kthomasritchie
2 жыл бұрын
"Only a ninja can kill a ninja", Grandmaster Ninja Sho Kosugi 1983. I stand with Sho.
@Markbell73
2 жыл бұрын
Tengen Uzui approves this message! 👌
@danielpetrusevski2572
Жыл бұрын
Sho was never a ninja
@Kthomasritchie
Жыл бұрын
@@danielpetrusevski2572 What do you mean? He Single-handedly beat up the entire Village People. Is that not enough ninja for you?
@charlesetheridge9380
Жыл бұрын
Omg kenny Richie you are correct And only sho kosugi can also kill a ninja!!!
@EmetonVanDamme
Жыл бұрын
Sho...Nuf !
@saiyanninjawarriorz
2 жыл бұрын
Real or not 80's ninjas will forever be real in my heart🥷🏿
@Pedro-lg9wz
2 жыл бұрын
Ninjas did existed they were spies, but they were not the glorified stuff that has made believe. Of course you want shinobi/samurais, is a business for japan, just like jujitsu is for Brazil, or kickboxing for Thailand or shaolin for china, everyone likes the fantasy and mysticism and it makes a lot of money is tourism and merchandising. I remembered a long time ago I saw a video about the last living ninja in japan and he said the same thing that Chris is saying. Maybe its time to contact Ashida kim... lol
@cyborgchicken3502
2 жыл бұрын
It's no different from what happened with Cowboys and Gunslingers of the old West, or Pirates and Vikings, Vikings for example...turns out they never wore horned helmets, nor were they complete savages, Cowboys were essentially just hired guns for cattle farmers to prevent cattle from being stolen, and most gunslingers were just crooked outlaws...all these movies are great but people need to realize that reality is often far more dull and brutal than we see in films
@Yassaganni
2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a interview with Stephen K Hayes and what his opinion on ""Ninjutsu"" is today and the current discoveries historically. I am guessing he would be bias and supporting the Bujinkan as he is one of the reasons why they became so big back in the eighties. Stephen Turnbull would be another person who can shed a little more light on the subject as he has written a significant amount of books relating to it. Um Shinobi that is.
@VikingSamurai
2 жыл бұрын
I met Hayes at the Arnold expo, I'll have to set that up!
@simonbadger554
2 жыл бұрын
@@VikingSamurai please please make that happen
@Yassaganni
2 жыл бұрын
One thing I dont understand is ancient scrolls talk of the Togakure Ryu and the Koga Ryu styles from my understanding. So if they are not "Ninjutsu" per say then what is being stated here? Shinobi 🥷 would have studied a form of unarmed combat TaiJutsu to be whats been reported. History talks about the Iga and Koga clans, so if they were just normal job descriptions why make a big deal out if it? We really do need someone to do a bit of explaining 🤔. This is such a brilliant subject to talk about.
@varanid9
2 жыл бұрын
@@Yassaganni My understanding is this: "Ninjutsu" refers to spy and stealth skills, to include assassination as well as sabotage, disinformation, etc., as practiced by Samurai in a position to do these necessary things in times of war, and eventually ended up used by criminal societies. Hayes' definition seems to revolve around certain clans who were harassed by the mainstream society for having a different religion and because they were of a lower social class, they had to rely on geurrilla warfare to defend themselves. If you know anything of Hayes, he's big on the Tibetan roots of this religion, such as the Tulku, but, I've learned that this is strictly his thing, the actual Bujinkan in Japan doesn't subscribe to these views. To the common Japanese, Ninjas are mythical figures, ancient fiction, basically.
@griffin2599
2 жыл бұрын
@@Yassaganni that's why there is more to this than what Vikings guest and Antony Cummins are saying. What your describing as the Togakure Ryu and Koga Ryu styles, what the movies portrayed and the guest and Cummins are saying all go to different extremes. Other historians would disagree with Cummins and Vikings guest. There is one guy (I forget his name) who associates himself with Cummins and he has a youtube channel where he states that the ninja did not even exist and we know that's not true.
@ogredose
2 жыл бұрын
Taekkyon is older than Savate, you can't rightfully say all the flashy kicks of TKD came from Savate. Shotokan had a major influence in the creation of TKD and many of the Kwans, so Savate has an indirect influence, but indigenous Korean martial arts with dynamic kicks predate Savate. This dude rubs me the wrong way lol
@christopherflynn6743
2 жыл бұрын
Taekwondo kicks did not come from taekkyon. That is some shit they attempted to slide in to take away any connections to the Japanese martial arts. Taekkyon, Taekgyeon, Taekkyeon, or Taekyun (Korean: 태껸/ 택견, pronunciation: tʰɛk̚k̕yʌn) is a traditional Korean martial art. It is characterized by fluid, dynamic foot movement called "pum balgi" or Stepping-on-Triangles. Taekkyon, Taekgyeon, Taekkyeon, or Taekyun is a traditional Korean martial art. It is characterized by fluid, dynamic foot movement called "pum balki" or Stepping-on-Triangles. Taekkyon includes hands and feet techniques to unbalance, trip, or throw the opponent. ie. A sport not a martial art stop reading Wikipedia
@ogredose
2 жыл бұрын
@@christopherflynn6743 saying it's a sport and not a martial art is an oversimplification of what happens to every style that tries to focus on competition. BJJ, Judo, Boxing, etc. all possess valid martial arts techniques, and are actively treated as sports. Does that mean they have no martial value? And literally most sources on the history of TKD openly talk about the influence Shotokan has had on the style, because denying that influence would mean denying the cultural atrocities that the Japanese committed against Korea. Its an important truth that isn't really denied much. Source: I'm a Half-Korean TKD black belt that earned my belt in South Korea back in '98, I've had many instructors who embraced the history of the style (some of whom also had Shotokan belts). The root of my problem is that I've never heard ANYONE tell your tale of Savate being a major influence on eastern arts. Like many on here habe mentioned, Okinawan Karate takes its roots in Kenpo/Kung-fu, and if you're trying to say that they didnt have round kicks or snapping kicks before white people, well....
@christopherflynn6743
2 жыл бұрын
@@ogredose apparently you never watched a taekkyon
@ogredose
2 жыл бұрын
@@christopherflynn6743 I have, they played tournaments on TV several times. There are throws and trips, and kicks have different trajectories, but round kicks and snapping kicks are present and used frequently. Saw many bloody noses from sneaky roundhouses to the face. Edit: I just remembered that awkward snapping front kick that Taekkyon has, which is probably the kick that you're thinking of as well. There are many movement patterns that are/were present in TKD. With all that off my chest, I will say that I despise modern TKD. It hurts me to see how the sport aspect devolved.
@WarriorEsoteric
2 жыл бұрын
I find ninjutsu to be incredibly fascinating, especially from a historical standpoint
@katashi222
Жыл бұрын
What part of history??? And fascinating how???
@grulucyguesthousehanoi2856
Жыл бұрын
Is he true?
@arielquelme
4 ай бұрын
For me, practical espionage.. Just like modern times KGB or CIA
@eagle162
Жыл бұрын
Okay I have some problems with this video. Jujutsu was already established and recorded before the 1600s in fact the oldest school originated in sengoku period, you can look it up today, Takenouchi-ryū. Samurai were not learning Aikijujitsu,it is connected to Dauto-Ryu which despite it's claim the school is not believed to go back any further than the 20th century. There is no evidence Karate's kicks originated from Savate, I'm aware of the video that Jesse made that popularize this theory however he made lots of assumptions and mistake in that video. Shinboi no mono or ninja it doesn't matter, they mean the same thing even before the word ninja came around there were many different words for Shinobi depending on the location and Clan. Things were happening in the Edo period it can be argued to be considered a Heyday for martial arts development, Samurai were also much more than just Tax Collectors having many different purposes such as policeman, instructors, bodyguards, fireman, Etc. He overestimates the Chinese influence on Japan, in fact The Art of War is not believed to be introduced at the time but much later. which an area such as iga for example famous for ninjutsu is extremely unlikely to have access to it, at least until the Tokugawa shogunate gain power since Iga was a reliable Ally. There's no evidence for the the iconic black suit image of ninja to originate from Kabuki, in fact when ninja were in the story they dress in colorful flamboyant outfits like other characters also in early modern ninja media they were not depicted in those black outfits that came around much later. The Bansenshukai is pretty controversial, at least half of it is considered BS. Samurai was a class, ninja was an occupation, well you will have Samurai that were ninja most would not come from that background, the job also included much more than just i spying such as Commando work, arson Etc. Here's an video interviewing a historian who wrote a book on ninja history, it is unfortunately only in Japanese so you will require a translator if you cannot understand or read it. kzitem.info/news/bejne/l6mc0oxjkmOBhqw
@mariogeraci8186
2 жыл бұрын
A lot of the modern perception of the ninja especially in movies stems from Ian fleming and James Bond. You only live twice both the novel and film involves the ninja and bonds Japanese contact in both film and book was a man called Tanaka or tiger Tanaka Some believe this may have been where dux got the name Tanaka from
@diablorojo3887
2 жыл бұрын
is amazing to see how ninjas are basically james bond, you take some buracratic inteligence job and transforms into a action triller , Ian Fleming is a marketing genius
@damirkorican3511
Жыл бұрын
Interview with Stephen K Hayes was great. But I think you need to make interview with real historian like Dr. Kacem Zoughari. He holds a Ph.D. in Japanese History and Culture from the prestigious INALCO. when you want to talk about biology, you have to find proper person for that. if you want to talk about math, also you have to find proper person for that. Really, I have more respect for someone who have Ph.D., who really studied something then someone else.
@joshuaalexander7637
2 жыл бұрын
If you want the truth you have to research Takamatsu’s training such as where did he learn the 9 ninja schools Ryus
@tuffaldrin6846
2 жыл бұрын
Good show. Basically. Shinobis and ninjas are different things. A shinobi is a samurai working in the spy game. Influencing and or gathering info. He said no assassinations but I’m sure it happened. Spies do that too. No disrespect. A ninja is a just a martial artist I guess. It was marketing that created what we think of as ninjas
@sonicredcr
10 ай бұрын
No, ninja is a modern pronunciation of the same kanji that reads shinobi. Shinobi is what they would’ve been called in the time period they existed in.
@Simon-talks
2 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure Da American Ninja was real, when I was a kid….
@VikingSamurai
2 жыл бұрын
A historical documentary! Lol
@robd1329
2 жыл бұрын
...you have Great ninja skillz!
@AStrangerDayProductions
2 жыл бұрын
Michael Dudikoff does exist…sooo
@GunSam
2 жыл бұрын
But Chris Farley burned the scrolls!
@preparedsurvivalist2245
4 ай бұрын
Oh Spade, why did you leave Farley in charge of the scrolls?!?
@leonardoantonio8756
Жыл бұрын
If you really want to learn some facts about the ninja world I recommend reading Ninja Spirit of the Warrior Vol 1. From Stephen Hayes
@VikingSamurai
Жыл бұрын
I interviewed Hayes, great interviews!
@leonardoantonio8756
Жыл бұрын
@@VikingSamurai I currently watching the last part! Very very good!! I hope some day you will interview Seagal like that or better! thank you!
@murrik
Жыл бұрын
Finally truth, I myself also researched this issue in japan, and this is true, i trained with another master called Jinichi Kawakami, he has the same opinion
@83aber1
2 жыл бұрын
Iga province (Japan) had those I considered ninja. They frustrated the hell out of Oda Nobunaga because the Iga people were so good at ambushing.
@DistantThunderworksLLC
Жыл бұрын
The two Kanji characters for "ninja" have a Japanese pronunciation of "shinobi-no-mono" and a Chinese pronunciation of "nin-sha". Like most Kanji, these two characters together have a complex meaning, but in this case they are the same in both Japanese and Chinese, referring to someone who has attained the qualities of being stealthy, silent (both physically and mentally, or personality-wise, like someone who is still, reserved, etc.) and someone who endures. In 1162 Daisuke Togakure (who renounced his Bushido code) and Kain Doshi, a Chinese monk, formalized shinobi-related concepts into a new, amalgamated theory of guerilla warfare called ninjutsu. Togakure's decedents later created Togakure-ryū, the first "ninja" school. The entire history and concept has been unfortunately, and quite drastically, romanticized and bastardized. But I don't see a reason to doubt that the Togakure-ryū did exist, even if Hatsumi Masaaki won’t publicly release any of the written materials held in reverence. Yes, the term "ninja" is a westernized term, but there's a basis for it with the Chinese pronunciation. Flynn is absolutely correct that ninjutsu is not itself a martial art. This is a very common misconception. Practitioners learned a variety of styles when it came to hand-to-hand combat. At its core ninjutsu is a guerilla warfare methodology designed to exploit the limitations of the Bushido code that infused a false sense of "honor" into how samurai approached warfare. But in my view, while it’s healthy to question everything, Flynn’s claim that Hatsumi Masaaki, and in turn Stephen Hayes, were essentially succored by a con is unfounded. What I would agree with, however, is that in the 70s and into the 80s what may have been genuine disciplines got corrupted by modern commercial sensibilities, tarnishing the core they grew out of.
@christopherflynn6743
Жыл бұрын
I didn't claim that it was a con, what I said is that we don't know. They only know what they've been told. If they are told this is ninjutsu why would they believe it's not? No one knows when and where the original con started.
@DistantThunderworksLLC
Жыл бұрын
@@christopherflynn6743 TL;DR: you make a fair point, but currently there's circumstantial evidence (i.e. hearsay) suggesting the modern Togakure-ryū at least stems from the historical counterpart, while there's no evidence that it doesn't. Is it possible it's not genuine? Anything is possible, sometimes despite what appears to be incontrovertible evidence. But for this, as it stands at this point in time, there's no reason to land on the side of doubting (while yet keeping the possibility of it not being genuine open--we should always be ready to adapt to new information). That by no means indicates that the modern iteration of Hatsumi's Bujinkan school has value. Ninjitsu isn't a martial arts style. It's a methodology. Bujinkan is NOT ninjitsu. Longer version: To clarify, I don't think what you're saying is that the Togakure-ryū never existed, but that what was handed to Hatsumi Masaaki (if he didn't fabricate it himself) may not actually trace back to the historical Togakure-ryū descended from Daisuke Togakure and Kain Doshi? If so, you're correct that we can't know for sure, not without evidence that's more in-depth than the mere anecdotes we have currently. If that's what you mean, I don't disagree with your statement at face value. But counterpoint: we have no evidence at all to the contrary. That's like saying there's no evidence I went to Price Chopper yesterday and bought a bag of chips because I locked the receipt in a box. While I have a bag of chips, one could posit that I very well could have bought it at Hy-Vee instead, and actually purchased it a day earlier. In other words, while we can propose the possibility of Hatsumi Masaaki's school not being a genuine artifact of the historical Togakure-ryū (perhaps unbeknownst even to himself), I don't find value in putting any more effort into it than merely pondering. At least, not without a physical attempt to pin it down further (perhaps someone wants to sneak in and take photo evidence or pilfer hardcopy documentation to help prove authenticity). In fact, this phenomenon applies to most things in life. There's very little we truly know with certainty. There's always at least a sliver of uncertainty (e.g. is the chair I'm sitting in as I type this very sentence going to decohere at a quantum level or fail mechanically and dump me to the floor?) There's no black and white. Everything is a grayish blend, fraught with more nuance than our feeble human minds prefer to grapple with (as a species we tend to prefer the comfort of certainty). Ugh. Sorry, really digressed there. At any rate... Very short version: I can't argue that your question isn't valid, because it is. We should always question. But the question itself isn't a reason to dismiss a claim.
@christopherflynn6743
Жыл бұрын
The problem is it's on him to supply the evidence since he is the one who's making the claim. It's not up to us to prove it true or untrue. To this day he is not supplied anyone any historical data records information or anything else for that matter of any accuracy that would suggest his story to be true. By saying there's no evidence to the contrary is a argument of fallacy. Example: "You can't prove that I'm wrong so therefore I must be right" All we can do is take all the evidence that we have seen to date and weigh it against things that had been stated claimed or spoken by Masaaki Hatsumi and weigh that against the claims that he has made that we absolutely know to be false. This is what cops investigators and detectives do in order to get a better idea of what is true vs what isn't. In other words if I tell 500 lies One could logically deduce that the next statement would More than likely beyond a reasonable doubt also be a lie. Now on a personal level, it is my belief that he is a fucking liar and nothing more to investigate as far as his dumbass goes.
@DistantThunderworksLLC
Жыл бұрын
@@christopherflynn6743 Fair enough. It's definitely "not up to us to prove it true or untrue". But it's also not up to us to claim it's true or untrue with any degree of certainty. Hatsumi definitely does himself no favors by not producing the scrolls he says he has (although some have claimed to have seen them, it's still only anecdotal evidence). I suspect he doesn't care. In light of which, I'd say that it's only on him to publicly provide evidence if he cares what people think. I personally find no reason to doubt him, but neither do I see cause to fully support his veracity. In general, minus any indication of falsehood I err on the side of a claim. If someone has something contradicting his claim I'd be interested in seeing it. On a different note, from what I've gathered over the years I do think his Bujinkan school has evolved into an overly commercialized version of what the original intent may have been, or should have been (perhaps only a shadow of what Toshitsugu Takamatsu or Toda Shinryūken before him, if they were legit, would have wished for), which diminishes its cred. In other words, even if it does share legitimate ancestry with the historical Togakure-ryū I'm not sure he exactly has a lot to brag about. In fact, it may be worse in that case.
@christopherflynn6743
Жыл бұрын
@@DistantThunderworksLLC the Japanese government dismissed his claims, basically calling him a liar. He is a money man nothing more nothing less. If you chose to believe in his nonsense that's on you, I wouldn't but that's just me. Most of his original students have left him in light of all the facts that ha e come to surface regarding what a "ninja" is and was. All these facts contradict everything the man has said. Antony Cummings is a good place to start with real information, now with that said, Antony isn't the end all be all even he has embedded interests and a bit of a biased perspective. However he is the closest to tangible information.
@starsebastiao
2 жыл бұрын
Ninjas are Real. I saw American Ninja 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. Stop lying to me with these Real Life videos 😄😄😄
@robd1329
2 жыл бұрын
..Sho Nuffff!
@carlosluismendez7392
2 жыл бұрын
It was all bullshit and made up, most of the so famous ninjas were actually samurai.
@diablorojo3887
2 жыл бұрын
and 2 pages of political warfare in some japanese pagode became some fat nerds using black pijamas 300 years later... Great video, but is soo bizarre to see a person have a rational conversation about shinoby on the internet, only on the viking channel
@iFlowWithTheGo
5 ай бұрын
I was facinated by the ninja as a kid. I brought all the books, Masaaki Hatsumi, Stephen Hayes and everyone other ninja author. I loved it. I still love it lol.
@Polentaccio
Жыл бұрын
As a 20+ year bujinkan member, I will let you in on a little secret. The best practitioners in this art, have usually done something else ( or many other things ) before. Environments where there was discipline, physical conditioning, and contact. Be it Karate, Judo, kick boxing, wrestling etc. With that knowledge and then what you pick up in the Bujinkan, you can become more than competent without being stuck in rigid lines of thinking. The problem being, some questionable history, the hero worship, and the lack of standards. I appreciate where Antony cummins is coming from but he also didn't really put in that much time with the Japanese. A few classes is not the same as years training with the Japanese. Now, as for the content of what is taught... if you approach it with previous experience, it will make more sense. I personally feel that the last 10-15 years have been too loose and a bit more conceptual and fantastical at times. Many high ranking students can't even punch properly. But the older Japanese Shihan are still around and they can still move and hit as needed. They have a ton of knowledge to share but it is up to the practitioner to go home and apply/adapt what is taught to them. He also isn't correct in saying it is one huge scam. A few of the more notable schools that comprise of the nine different areas/schools of study have a proven line and can be traced back in history. The " ninja" aspects sure. You could debate that. But if you are not hung up on the source and walk away more with the lesson or insight being shared, then there is still value. In my experience, how the " ninja" mindset is applied to the schools practiced doesn't need a certificate of authenticity. You could call those lessons, common sense. They adapt and change with time. So essentially, he said it himself in this interview, shinobi and samurai were one and one the same. So the shinobi teachings are either specified in these schools or incorporated in the training and weaponry. Which is essentially what the Bujinkan does. Think about it. He was looking for ninja kata but instead missed how to teach kata with the mindset in mind. That's the true deception hidden in plain site. Him and Antony missed the point.
@adandyguyinspace5783
5 ай бұрын
I am a white belt in To-Shin Do, can you explain this ninja mindset?
@bullittboost6046
Жыл бұрын
Sho Kosugi played the best Ninja in the movies. Don’t know if Ninjas really exist but they make for great films.
@twistedtrailerparktales2126
2 жыл бұрын
In the book Hagakure translated from texts from real samurai over 300 years ago. When there is a story of assassinating people in their sleep or on the throne the killer is referred to as ninja. They had cammo to fit the terrain only using black or navy blue at night. Of course humans love folklore and exaggerating stories over time so someone disappearing in the night becomes someone becoming a shadow.
@5keeno
2 жыл бұрын
One real Samurai, who retired and became a Zen Buddhist Monk.
@mizukarate
2 жыл бұрын
My original martial arts class did not charge or have a ritualized test(Later they did charge for higher ranks). I never charged my students for rank or have a ritualized test. In fact I tried to strip down my ranking system to only 3 ranks(white,black, and black instructor) but my students didn't care for the idea. I really dislike ranking....and the idea of charging for it sickens me. However my schools and classes were never my primary means of income.
@mizukarate
2 жыл бұрын
We did do testing....mostly kata and sparring. It was up the instructor if you passed or failed.
@Hicks-g1m
2 жыл бұрын
I know that Ninja Turtles are real LOL. I've seen them on the big screen
@bassdvant
2 жыл бұрын
I would admit that there are a lot of crappy teachers and practitioners in the Bujinkan, but this blanket statement that there is no real rank test or paying to get your next rank is not true with my teacher. The Same is true with a work out in class. I always end up with sweat stains on my gi after class, drenching wet and when you take your test, you better know the techniques and the key elements of them. I don't really even care anymore if it's historical Ninjutsu or not, but the techniques are real. We will even try out different techniques from other arts if they are worth anything.
@214warzone
2 жыл бұрын
Savat = American Combat Savate is what i practice. I am also a military veteran like this gentleman..
@christopherflynn6743
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your service
@Guillaume.Mercure
2 жыл бұрын
I never heard of american combat savate. What is that?
@randybarnett2308
Жыл бұрын
I used live down the street from a dojo called martial arts academy, at first they were legit they thought Shotokan karate,and Judo, but then something happened in the 70s they claimed to teach authentic Kung Fu, then real JKD They advertised it as Bruce Lee's system,later they had "real" Ninjutsu, then real Muay Thai -- that place just became a "Flavor of the Month" studio. It finally closed after being there for over 40 years, guess couldn't get enough students and the "Master" was getting up there in age, oh I forgot, this might've been the final nail in the coffin, he had a kids class saying that he'll teach your kids to fight like the Power Rangers !!!😀😀😀
@reign4795
2 жыл бұрын
Great guest. Very knowledgeable about history and combat. Enjoyed listening. What is his primary martial art?
@christopherflynn6743
2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I don't have a primary martial art seeing how I've learned so many. However I started with boxing then judo
@RenegadeRanga
2 жыл бұрын
@@christopherflynn6743 this was a great discussion mate. Thanks for sharing your historical knowledge.
@christopherflynn6743
2 жыл бұрын
@@RenegadeRanga I'm glad you enjoyed it, if you wanna know more I would encourage you to do some research on your own, it would be interesting to see how many people arive at a similar conclusion.
@cyborgchicken3502
2 жыл бұрын
@@christopherflynn6743 you really know your Japanese history dude, my first exposure to the truth about the Ninja was through Anthony Cummings and most recently there is an Italian KZitemr who's a linguist and history teacher that lived in Japan named Metatron, he's got a bunch of videos that dispel a lot of myths regarding both samurai and the Shinobi, I guess it's not that much different from how pirates, cowboys and Vikings have been exaggerated in modern times.... keep putting this info out there
@basilistsakalos9643
Жыл бұрын
@@christopherflynn6743 greetings, may I ask what are your credentials as a researcher?
@deanoal933
2 жыл бұрын
Hey man please do a video of what happened to karate and the effective ness and is it worth studying in Okinawa or forgot about it .. please make a video
@robd1329
2 жыл бұрын
Learn Cobra-Kai karate ...its worth it!
@sliderx1897
2 жыл бұрын
Watch jesse enkamp he knows far more about karate
@deanoal933
2 жыл бұрын
@@sliderx1897 I know I fellow him
@deanoal933
2 жыл бұрын
@@robd1329 lol mate
@georgehern338
10 ай бұрын
Shinobi techniques are passed through the the family. These secrets are guarded. So even if you've been to Japan or even if you paid a lot of money to get your belt if you were not family then you wouldn't learn a lot of the skills. The fact that samurai became ronin went up in the hills and learn secret techniques of a monk that brought about self-induced acupuncture techniques and specific concentration on aspects of reality dose not mean you will find that. You speak of your own truth nothing more and nothing less
@rickiecowens2410
Жыл бұрын
Here's the thing. There are certain techniques that is part of ninjutsu. You fought with what you had on you. Like kunai, shuko, koketsu shoge. These were tools exclusively ninja tools. Like he said taijutsu was samurai systems. Ninjutsu had to have it own exclusive stuff based on 1 to 5 people, instead of a battalion. It would have to have separate type fighting techniques.
@karldicker1702
2 жыл бұрын
I do love the typical Ninja movies from the 80s with Sho Kosugi as much as the next person, but i am more aware today that real Existence of Ninja's hundreds of years ago were very different what we see in the movies as is stated in the book I have written by John Man who explains the were once real, the medieval equivalent of the SAS: spies, saboteurs and Assassins, could they fly or Make themselves invisible ? of course not, but there skills gave them a magical aura which is more believable to take in.
@theman3923
Жыл бұрын
It’s not as clear cut as your guest (with all due respect) is trying to present. Many available ninja scrolls have left the fundamental principles to be passed through oral tradition, you can see that by reading them. As soon as you think that you are about to encounter the meat of the matter they say -this part will be transferred vocally or something along those lines. If Martial art was so detached from Ninjutsu, why then in the historical ninja scrolls from Iga and Koga there is a description of how to use your Ki if you happen to be seen during infiltration and attacked by multiple people when you try to escape and how to kill them all by using that principle during the escape and how to regain the strength after exhaustion from that kind of situation (and of course, even in that section you have that note that X will be passed through vocally)-That pretty much goes into the realm of direct battle and as you said in a video, using what ever martial art you know in that situation through Ninja approach.- Otherwise they wouldn’t even write about that, they could just assume that you know how to fight off the opponents since you are a Samurai (or simply that battling the enemy in combat is something you will learn somewhere else and that it’s not in their Ninja jurisdiction). So wether Bujinkan is legitimate or not. In my opinion it’s still not as simple.
@davidthomas8825
13 күн бұрын
Stephen hayes had already touched on most of what this guy is saying. Old news - its in hayes books. Maybe the only argument is the unarmed combat aspect.
@benjaminpujols1914
2 жыл бұрын
Like for example growing up in New York at the little kid at home you don't learn how to fight you learn how to fight in the streets by either somebody showing you or watching other people or you go somewhere and take classes but in the streets you're not a ninja you're not a Shinobi and you're not a samurai but you still need to learn how to defend yourself now are you a professional fighter level out on the streets when your little kid or teenager no but some people are good enough to where they can actually perform self-defense martial art type of movements self-taught or taught by someone or something so that they can defend themselves that doesn't make them a ninja or samurai or Master martial artist or Champion fighter that just simply means that they knew or know some martial art movements it's a must back in those days in the 80s or 70s even sometime in the 90s as well at some point in the 90s before guns were being introduced heavily into the mix there was a time even in the 90s people would use their hands knives sticks and you had to know how to move away how to run and when to stop running to quickly try to do something it's it's scary adrenaline's pumping you don't want to die you don't want to get beat up you don't want to get caught and jumped by four or five guys so you have to be able to do something even if it's running away but there's something that you always have to be able to do and that to me is very similar to what the Shinobi must have been going through back in those days
@RenegadeRanga
2 жыл бұрын
This was a great discussion and history lesson. The point made about conformation bias is absolutely accurate. It's one of the greatest flaws of human psychology. If a human wants to believe something they will find a way.
@richardhenry1969
2 жыл бұрын
Most people don't realize martial arts art as old as people think. Karate is early 1900 most of the others around 1920s and later.
@cyborgchicken3502
2 жыл бұрын
Another myth that was recently dispelled for me was the idea of Bushido as being the Samurai code of honour, when in actual fact codes of honour differed among samurai clans, and more often than not, samurai were in fact the least honourable during times of war...in fact the samurai were more of a military or noble class rather than just all being warriors, there were definitely samurai that were warriors, but it was more a social class that was beneath the Shogun and the Emperor, you could even find samurai that weren't warriors at all but just belonged to one of the clans.....the Bushido code itself however was only written in the late 1800s and was used as propaganda during the Meiji Restoration in Japan and the period of colonial Imperialism
@TyrannosaurusRex1997
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely correct
@hamstring6792
8 ай бұрын
My first experience with Bujinkan came more than 40 years ago when 150 of us, all well trained martial artists, met at a former military camp in Ohio for six days of 6:00 am to 10:00 pm training in empty hand, short and long range weapons, projectile weapons, explosives, rappelling, stealth and sentry removal. There were people from the British SAS and American military, as well as some pretty shady people who tended to disappear when the cameras were around. We all thought Ninjutsu was a bunch of techniques missing from our own arts that we could add to our repertoires (does "MMA" sound familiar?), only to find out that Bujinkan Taijutsu (body mechanics) is absolutely nothing like any other martial art and could not be incorporated into our arts. Some people say it's like Karate with weapons or Jujutsu or Judo. Nope, nothing like them, nothing like any martial sport. If Bujinkan is fake as so many people claim, why is it so mechanically and internally different from every other art, yet so very effective in its own right? I say internally because Bujinkan Taijitsu is, in fact, an internal martial art, not a whole lot different from Taijiquan with the exception of the outer physical manifestation.
@hamstring6792
4 ай бұрын
@@andymax1 Toshitsugu Takamatsu spent his younger days in China. I believe he would have gone to the capital city of Beijing because it is not that far from Japan and it would make sense to go to the capital of a foreign country. In those days, Yang and Hunyuan style Taiji were developing in Beijing, as were a couple of schools of Bagua. I think Takamatsu probably had contact with practitioners of those martial arts and his martial art may have been influenced by them. That is only my opinion, which I cannot verify.
@braille5575
2 жыл бұрын
Chris Farley was the best ninja!
@robd1329
2 жыл бұрын
..i was expecting Frank Dux to be talked about.....and i wasnt wrong. As for what you mentioned about 90's MA prices to learn....now its a outrageously ridiculous business to pay for monthly tuition. A person is better off at the gym and learn sparring from the local gym rat.
@basilistsakalos9643
Жыл бұрын
Talk with Dr. Kacem Zoughari about this topic.
@perryfan49
2 жыл бұрын
They are real! I’ve seen what Sho Kosugi is capable of doing!!!
@Yassaganni
2 жыл бұрын
LMAFO Apparently Only a Neenja can kill a Neenja
@FredKuneDo
2 жыл бұрын
Sho Kosugi came actually from Karate and studied stuff like Kendo and other things before his movie career. This also so silly about Frank Dux, because many of his "Ninja Crap" is from modern Karate.
@punisher7772
2 жыл бұрын
He may not be an actual ninja but he makes some pretty good movies. And yes, they do exist.
@punisher7772
2 жыл бұрын
@@FredKuneDo yeah, it's obvious by the way he moves he is mostly trained in Karate but he does have some knowledge about ninjutsu and ninja weapons. I have heard rumors he had a little bit of training in the actual art but I don't know how true that is.
@FredKuneDo
2 жыл бұрын
@@punisher7772 this is also questionable. In many movies he used the Ninjato-sword, which is most likely ahistorical bullshit,that never existed. Then there are Shuriken which existed, but were in common use by Samurais and can't be called "Ninja weapons". Some of his weapons and armor are downright silly and were just made for the Ninja-Trash-Movies. (Gloves with claws! 😂)
@josephshehan4969
10 ай бұрын
Takamatsu was an instructor who taught jujutsu not ninja .😮
@jonwilson8509
7 ай бұрын
Only a ninja can interview a ninja.
@KempoWarrior1954
Ай бұрын
Ninjas only exist in the USA and they wear karate colored belts. Just ask Radford Davis or Frank Dux.
@mizukarate
2 жыл бұрын
Great how you dug into a commenter on your channel.
@mizukarate
2 жыл бұрын
You might find out more if you eat a meal at Ninja NYC restaurant.
@patriknn1
2 жыл бұрын
True or not… the bocks about Nicholas Linnear, ”Ninja” and the follow ups, written by Eric Van Lustbader would have made some really great movies. 😊
@righteousshadowsdojopt.3979
Жыл бұрын
So produce it.
@patriknn1
Жыл бұрын
@@righteousshadowsdojopt.3979
@patriknn1
Жыл бұрын
I`m not a producer... =)
@righteousshadowsdojopt.3979
Жыл бұрын
@@patriknn1 then become one.
@honda115a
Жыл бұрын
My body come back to my Shadow as Ninja 😅😅😅
@Ninja9JKD
Жыл бұрын
Chris, you can't just define Ninja through one lenses of time. Your description is of the 1500s Ninja. The original Ninja were not samurai, they used methods developed for survival. These survival methods termed as Ninjutsu began around 800 AD.
@scopeh2006
4 ай бұрын
I did the same research around 10 years ago, as I was making a mod for a famous RTS game based in feudal Japan and wanted authenticity. I concluded pretty much the exact same thing as you guys. It's very unlikely that Ninjutsu was a fighting system, but a collection of guerilla warfare and espionage techniques. The black ninja gi, ninjato etc. Are all modern inventions fueled by romanticised myth and folklore. I believe Shinobi-no-mono rose in popularity after the peasants of Iga province rebelled against their Samurai masters, and they developed non-conventional warfare techniques that discarded traditional notions of honour.
@antoniomonday4462
21 күн бұрын
The problem is that people are on styles too much. There is nothing wrong with systems put in a method thats effective. People Should focus on methods more than systems.
@SuchetB
2 жыл бұрын
I remember as a kid being influenced and inspired by stuff like THE AMERICAN NINJA movies and also computer games THE LAST NINJA and SABATEUR - I would watch everything Ninja related. They existed, in Japanese history, there is evidence of the Shinobi. They need to make a Ninja movie with Van Damme or Dudikoff or both of them together, it would be awesome, maybe have them investigating a secret society and go out to destroy them, a martial arts mystery movie with infiltration and espionage and hide and seek stuff! Thanks for another awesome video from you again Viking Ninja... erm I mean Viking Samurai
@forrestcrabbe
2 жыл бұрын
That's a good movie idea 🤘🍻🤘
@Knucky_Sammich
2 жыл бұрын
I'd watch the hell out of that movie!
@brockgangell5759
2 жыл бұрын
For sure that would be an epic movie
@stefanosprokopis6974
2 жыл бұрын
That's a terrible movie idea. Van dammed and Dudicoff are too old for any type of action. These guys were stars over 30 years ago. A good plot would be a secret ninja society comes out of hiding in order to commit a huge theft so they can raise money to buy weapons in order to kill all the leftist woke dick heads.
@josheisert8380
2 жыл бұрын
I forgot all about that movie, American ninja. Great movie! Great actor!
@Liquidcadmus
2 жыл бұрын
Your guest is absolutely correct. In Asia it's a known fact that the "ninja" as portrayed in modern culture is pure fantasy. There has never been a combat art of ninjitsu. The modern ninjitsu martial art stuff was made up in the 80's The "ninja" were just spies, mostly from samurai ranks, but also at times sailors or local peasants/farmers would be hired to gather intelligence as well. that's about it.
@griffin2599
2 жыл бұрын
Well, like he said “there are privately owned scrolls, owned by private citizens and good luck getting to look at those” the assassination thing came from somewhere. So he does not know if that is true or not true and neither do I. Maybe the “ninja” or shinobi had a reason for not documenting an assassination. I don't know for sure and neither does he.
@diablorojo3887
2 жыл бұрын
don't forget that some of the first TV shows on japanese television are super hero series about ninjas, for they shinobi is basicaly super hero comics
@signor_zuzzu
2 жыл бұрын
@@griffin2599 ninja did document they way to assassinate, it had nothing different from the normal one.
@griffin2599
2 жыл бұрын
@@signor_zuzzu the guest said in the interview that there is no documented evidence of a ninja assassinating someone. What I'm saying is maybe they did actually assassinate a warlord or something but we don't know. There are scrolls owned by private citizens that you cant access, so maybe it was documented. Maybe it happened and they never documented a thing. There are also historians on a Netflix documentary discussing that ninja did not start out as martial artist but mountain people that developed and used guerrilla warfare tactics.
@signor_zuzzu
2 жыл бұрын
@@griffin2599 if by documented you mean a physical signed contract there is no way that something like that would still exist. An order of assassination would be given verbally and if it was written the paper would be destroyed. If you're asking yourself: did ninja assassinate? Of course they did. On the subject the ninja texts say that there are 2 way to kill an enemy general while you are infiltrated: 1 go kamikaze 2 if by chance you find him alone kill him and leave.
@iFlowWithTheGo
5 ай бұрын
Im not so sure about his history of Karate. Chinese Kung Fu, especially northern styles were very much doing high kicks a very long time before France introduced Savate to Okinawa. I'd say it was the influence of Chinese Kung Fu that possibly influenced Karate.
@deathcold_longplaysua4846
2 жыл бұрын
Ninjas are real. They was real people, all tho they were not those that Hollywood shows in their movies. We even have real ninjas now. Like, look at the special forces through all countries. Those that does covert operations stuff. You don't know their names and how they look like. They can go to another country by a different name, with different documents, do their job by collecting information or taking someone out and then they will return back home and you will never know who that was. And that is modern days ninjas. Old ninjas, from the old days, are now basically gone. Extinct, if you wanna put it that way. Simply because there is better, modern versions of them out there that works, by the way, officially, unlike old days ninjas, that was basically a mercenaries. And those that claim to be ninjas these days, does that simply for few reasons: 1. To honor those old times ninjas. 2. To become popular and 3. To sell their own idea of what real world classic ninjas was. But yeah, despite all those lies about, what ninjas are, that we see in the movies or in many documentary movies, i love what i see because, it looks cool and i like it. But in reality, ninja would just hide and no one would know that he is there, and if Hollywood shows that in the movies, the true reality of ninjas, then that would never sale and would look boring. Thus why those fiction or lies comes in, about magic and many cool gadgets, to sale ninjas and make them popular.
@chucklee347
Жыл бұрын
can't. Yeah covert operation double naught spy stuff. What kind of stuff. Is that mid Eastern or more northern territory.
@BOUJEEBOGANBADBITCHQUEEN
4 ай бұрын
Magic is real I'm sorry it's been proven by science it's a manipulation of the energy around you proven fact and by the way I'm a pagan witch of over 30 years so I know the facts
@joshuaalexander7637
2 жыл бұрын
One of the ryus for ex was koto ryu so there are actual techniques with real attributes. Hatsumi combined them into one. This is where it comes from. Takmatsu went to China I know. He was called the Tiger there
@KOTJ412
2 жыл бұрын
I was always fascinated by Ninja growing up especially how they were portrayed in movies as hired assassins…the most notable one for me was Sho Kosugi 🥷…it be interesting to have him on your future shows just to see his take & how he learned ninjitsu. Of course can’t leave out the samurai…maybe you could have Hiroyuki Sanada in the future too would be an amazing interview too. Thanks for all the JCVD contents! Keep them up!🤙🏾
@jimmcfarland6259
Жыл бұрын
I like Chris Flynn; he seems like a nice enough, and accomplished guy. Unfortunately though, Mr. Flynn is just incorrect when it comes to actual ninja, and the history of the Takamatsu schools taught by Masaaki Hatsumi (which he really mispronounces - "Doctor Matsami"- and "Shinobi No Mano"...it's Shinobi No Mono) or the Takamatsu-Den lineages of ninjutsu. Ninja did in fact have a real way of movement in combat that was very unique to them. It *is not* just infiltration and escape and so on that characterizes a ninja. It is quite literally the way they move when faced with an attack or threat of an attack...but also movement with everything in life. "Ninpo Taijutsu" or the ninja's way of movement is the general name for their combat method. And yes the hand to hand combat techniques DO appear in makimono and densho scrolls. They are literally named, and drawn. And why no shinobi assassination ever put down in a scroll? This is self-evident. The same reason we don't see CIA names of assassins and spies on the wall at the entrance at Langley, and we have redaction of names in modern day 'scrolls' on the CIA FOIA website. Each individual ninjutsu ryu-ha or lineage had its own flavor, strategies, feeling, and its own way of movement within actual armed and unarmed combat- and there are 3 ninja lineages that are still taught: Togakure Ryu, Gyokushin Ryu and Kumogakure Ryu. A fourth is Gikkan Ryu also handed down through Toshitsugu Takamatsu). Also, there is extensive historical evidence now of the actual Takamatsu Den 9 lineages (Including the 3-4 ninjutsu lineages) being very authentic and having full histories dating back hundreds of years; Please consult ninja researcher Sean Askew's well-footnoted and thoroughly researched "Hidden Lineage- the Ninja of the Toda Clan" and his website BKRBudo for plenty more actual research and documented history of the actual ninja, and the historical traces of these lineages. Also, Mr. Flynn's reasoning that Japan itself is somehow "encouraging" the ninja mystique and lack of clarity to keep folks traveling to Japan, and thereby lining their pockets, and "not wanting to shoot themselves in the foot" is just really far-fetched. I doubt Japan cares at all about whether people come to Japan to look for historical ninja or not. He also said "ninja didn't come into existence til Meiji or 1600's"...Meiji era in Japan didn't happen until the 1800's. Ninja were in use *long before* they were ever called ninja, and long before 1600's. They were called 'kusa' or 'grass'. Like referring to someone as "the wind" or "a ghost". Or they didn't have any name. Literally "No Name. No Art". I appreciate Chris Flynn and your interview of him, and wish him the best...however, he is inaccurate, and incorrect.
@TheAntoine9891
Жыл бұрын
In America there are Black Americans Who are Ninjas.. Real Ninjas. Courtesy of Ronald Duncan. Who cares what you believe. LOL I can believe the atom bomb isn't real. but the devastating truth remains true. Also 1 person losing a fight doesn't the style isn't real or good. IF that's the case MMA sucks. Someone has to lose. . right? LOL that's just stupid.
@MaharlikaAWA
2 жыл бұрын
High kicks in Karate and Taekwondo are not from Savate. Get real dude. You think in ancient Asia nobody at all ever even once attempted to do high kicks above the waist? You are just talking nonsense. Maybe you could say that the point fighting concept came from fencing but that is about it.
@georgehern338
8 ай бұрын
The document that Cummings talks about Shinobi no moto was created by a magazine writer and the magazine was a children's magazine that was written in 1962 to 1971 it was created as a teen martial art magazine. All your information is based upon this. Soap to publicly claim does an 89 year old man that's retired is fake is a little cruel.
@tonydisibio4236
10 ай бұрын
Stephen K Hayes is your only Legitimate Student/ Sensei of Ninjutsu, Ninjutsu were Deadly Assassins from the 14 Century, that were employed by Shoguns Against other Shoguns and their Kingdoms. It is NOT Something you Teach. His Interview was Honest & Truthful and very Interesting. He himself Said that he would share elements of the other arts in his Classroom. Because there is not a Special Technique to Ninjutsu other than all the OTHER Elements employed by Assassins to Attack and Evade Capture or to Camouflage themselves.
@GentlemanMasterclass
2 жыл бұрын
I'm only six minutes in and had to stop just to comment. I'm finding this interview kind of BS from the get-go. Not you Viking Samurai or your questions; I know you're just a seeker of information by which interviewing is a means. But I'm not really feeling the guest, and he's kind of unintentionally comical and vague. What does that even mean when guys like this say, "I went to Japan"? I hear it all the time, and it irks me. When guys like this say that, you envision them coming on a pilgrimage here for knowledge and answers when in reality, he probably just came over here for like a week (two at best). He doesn't have a grasp on speaking the language, which is difficult and takes years of dedication to learn, and he can't read the text (so it's not like he's going to stumble into a library and just find a goldmine of information to pull from). I even bet more or less he may have gone to a so-called "ninja museum," a tourist trap tailor-made for boys trapped in grown men's bodies who are overly fascinated with ninjas. It's probably more entertainment than historical-based. And to have a discussion with someone, I'm sure he wasn't speaking to historical scholars. Maybe just stopping some random people on the street who wouldn't just as well know their way somewhere, asking them, "What do you know about ninjas?" as they try to communicate with him in extremely broken English. I just really see him having come here as a wasted trip, and he more than likely spent most of his time shopping and visiting tourist spots rather than being on a quest for knowledge. I'm going to try to sit down and finish the remaining 35 minutes or so, but too many alarms were already sounded, and it's going to be hard, grueling.
@GentlemanMasterclass
2 жыл бұрын
Alright, so I finished the interview in full, and it was not what I thought it would be. In the beginning, I was hearing trigger words (I was being prejudiced based on hearing them), and the way it seemed to be going, I thought this interview would be a farce. My apologies to Chris Flynn, as he knows quite a great deal. Much of what he spoke about wasn't wrong at all, information-wise. I would still like to learn more about his Japan visit, which was vague other than visiting that tourist trap I mentioned initially, and then he confirmed he went there. But yes, he seems one of the few who truly understands what a ninja is and isn't and what so-called ninjutsu is. I thank you VS, for bringing him on. To end it, and to say the least, the reality of what a ninja is isn't as fascinating as the fiction. But the fantasy of it brought me to Japan, and I've been here for 19 years. Do I think about ninjas now while I'm here? Not in the least bit. Most Japanese I spoke to (when I did talk about "ninjas") would almost all laugh and say, "Ninjas are for kids." That's a big blow for most grown American males' egos and Japanophile fantasies.
@christopherflynn6743
2 жыл бұрын
Who said I went to Japan by myself? Who said I don't know people that are Japanese? Who said I don't have friends or family that live in Japan? Who said I don't speak Japanese? Who said how long I was in Japan? Seems to me you're assuming a lot of shit with no grounds to do so. I also made it clear that I wasn't going to do a history lesson with the intention of not boring his viewers. The interview wasn't about my trips to Japan or my vacation.
@towag
4 ай бұрын
To cut a longs story short, "Shinobe" were Samurai who trained to be spy's, therefore did espionage work, also spied on other clans or whoever hired them.... That makes far more sense after I read Anthony Cummins books.... Before that, I equated them to our modern day special forces or intelligence networks... Interesting subject... "Ninja" in Japanese means spy.... 🧐👐
@Dazza19746
Жыл бұрын
I was involved in the bullshit briefly in the mid nineties then somehow for about 8 yrs from 2000, many Japan trips etc Ever since the first class I thought something was off, I mean that ‘punch’ come on?! 😂 I’ll say one thing though, a lot of those wrist and joint locks are pretty cool, and I’ve seen that ‘tai jutsu’ used in other arts, including believe it or not bjj! I don’t believe it’s made up, all those locks, the weapon stuff? Maybe stolen from somewhere, but not just ‘made up’ But if you want a laugh, look at that crap cumins is doing now! It honestly is like 12 yr old schoolboys playing, it’s utterly pathetic 😂 Do you recon hatsumi knew takamatsu made it up?
@josephshehan4969
4 ай бұрын
Akido was invented in 14th centry it was called aki jitsu. and later aki jiu jitsu.😊
@Byzantios1
9 ай бұрын
34:20 Anthony Cummins is not above the grift either. He claims to offer 'training" based off of scrolls which were read to him, while having no real training or rank in any authorized body himself.
@rnin1754
Жыл бұрын
He's confusing Ninjutsu with shinobi, shinobi no mono was a diferent thing, Ninjutsu and his meaning which is the art of perseverance, resistance ect is Ninpo a martial art created in the 1800- 1900 by people like Gingetsu Itoh, Okuse, Fujita Seiko and Takamatsu a very comprehensive art and effective.
@thihsareb
Жыл бұрын
What I don’t understand is why it is so important to debunk Ninjutsu now. Where were all you debunkers before? Is it because Hatsumi retired and closed the Bujinkan? And believe me I’m no fan of Hatsumi. But it seems rather odd that now Ninjutsu is fake and if anyone tries to practice it they’re fakes too! And what about Antony Cummins Ninja school the Natori Ryu? Why isn’t that fake? Again why is it so important to debunk Ninjutsu? I smell a rat.
@dorapha8595
Жыл бұрын
Weird how everyone is talking about this subject but never talk to someone who actually god a PhD on the subject. I think you should invite Dr. Kacem Zoughari and get his take.
@MOUNTAINOUS
8 ай бұрын
are ninja real is what it should say. you have one ninja or 100 ninja. you never have ninjas
@SGT_IcemanMan
11 ай бұрын
Ninja always pretty much had weapons on them, you think if you are going to teach ninja, you would always use the weapons they used. Instead of focusing on hand to hand combat.
@Guillaume.Mercure
2 жыл бұрын
Bonjour, My name is Guillaume Mercure and i’m a savate teacher from Montréal, Québec, Canada. Monsieur Flynn said that karate took high kicks from savate which is not accurate. Actualy, karate took from savate the way to practice drills in group called la méthode des 4 faces of a military physical instructors school École normale de gymnastique et d’escrime de Joinville. You can read an article in english from the historian Jean François Loucher.
@alaincondello6652
Жыл бұрын
I m french ..artist martial ...and instructor for self défense and technico arrestations in national police..i was born in 1956.. in France the system dan is realy long time you are 5 dan for 40 years practice minimum..many french martial artist in 1980 were to go in japan and pay dan's and return in France with 5 eme dan ...or was shocking for all martial artist traditionnel..
@Ninja9JKD
Жыл бұрын
Chris had a bad experience with Bujinkan... so what. Bujinkan is a real and legit system which includes 3 schools of from Ninjutsu.
@JustinPrime85
2 жыл бұрын
Bujinkan is all about the $$$$.
@AlanJ1993
Жыл бұрын
there was this really good channel once, that had a full on documentation on Ninjas with tons of great research. But the dude went Ballistic and attention seeking and deleted his entire channel, its probably the best Ninjas are fake video ive seen but that was a bunch of years ago now. Essentially the short version is they never existed, there is no documentation that proves it, some people in Japan claim they did,some even claim to be descedants of Ninjas and scam people into thinking that.
@sjcampbell9577
2 жыл бұрын
You guys are funny, so don't expect people to take you seriously. Ninjutsu is a strategy, not a fighting system. A ninja is a "Person of endurance", any special forces soldier fits this description. Oh and also a person of stealth, you couldnt find anything because they and the art are hidden - Duh!
@scovilsmusic
Жыл бұрын
I guess my take on this video is we all have an opinion...im not into trying to debunk any martial art...I take what I need from each and every system....it took a lot of years of research in all these fighting styles...I respect all these styles and I'd never call them SCAMs
@TheRealTomahawk
2 жыл бұрын
I recommend the book by Don Draeger called Ninjitsu: the art of invisibility.
@TheRealTomahawk
2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking you know what made Bruce Lee great? He was an American hero just like Chuck Norris. Perhaps being born here in America and speaking our language makes a big difference. Oh, and because he was a hero for the Chinese people against the Japanese, and I think the British, and Americans as well.
@TheAntoine9891
Жыл бұрын
Ninjas are real. Especially in America. Its great that people do not believe because thats the point. But I didnt say this
@tn1881
Жыл бұрын
During the Asuka period (592-710), Shoutoku Taishi (574-627) hired Otomono Sabito, a descendant of Ominomikoto, as an agent and assassin. Shoutoku Taishi called him shinobi (one who seeks to obtain good information). Otomono was from the Iga region. C7, the Hattori clan of the Iga region wore black at the Aekuni shrine rituals. They were called Kurondo (black party). In 1180, the Hattori clan fought as samurai in the Genpei War. They were good at guerrilla warfare. In C12, the Hattori clan teamed up with the jizamurai, samurai of peasant origin, to become lords of the Iga region and became independent from the shogunate. They became mercenaries all over Japan. They later came to be called Iga-ryu. In the latter half of the C13 era, people who acted rebelliously against manor lords such as temples and aristocrats were called akuto (rogue party). The Hattori clan was akuto. Ninjas at that time were called by various names depending on the region, such as rappa, suppa, and kusa. C14, the literary work Taiheiki has a record of Sinobi. C15, Sinobi became a mercenary and intelligence agent for a Sengoku daimyo. In 1578, the Tenshō Iga War began a war between Nobunaga's army and the Iga clan. In the 1600s, it was written as Xinobi in the dictionary compiled by the Society of Jesus. In 1655, Hattori Minobe Shinzo of the Hattori clan wrote the ninjutsu book Ninpiden. In 1676 Fujibayashi Nagatonokami of the Hattori clan wrote the ninjutsu book Mansenshuukai. In 1679, the first ninja researcher Kikuoka Nyogen compiled Iranki. In 1681, military scientist Natori Masazumi wrote the ninjutsu book Shoninki. In C17, the fictional Sinobi appeared in the popular culture novel Otogibouko. Sinobi of creation such as Kabuki, Joruri, Kyogen and Sinobi's Goemon Jiraiya appeared and they became popular. In 1911, the novel Sarutobi Sasuke was published. Since then, Sinobi has appeared in many novels. In 1916, Kougaumon, the first ninja movie, became popular. Around 1920 they were called ninsha. In 1958, the novel Kouga ninpocho was published. In this novel, many ninjya who use techniques like psychic powers appeared. This novel influenced manga and anime. In 1957, the novel Yagyu bugeicho was made into a movie. Since then, ninjya has appeared in many movies. In 1959, managa's Ninja bugeichou, Sasuke was published. Since then, ninjya has appeared in many mangas. In the 1960s, the television series Onmitu Kenshi, featuring ninjya, was broadcast. This TV series was broadcast in Australia and the Philippines and ninjya became popular with young viewers. In 1967, the anime series Kamen no ninjya Akakage was broadcast. In 1967, ninjya appeared in the movie 007.
@livesjuris3032
Жыл бұрын
anti ninja guys in ther our what
@shawnsmith2610
2 жыл бұрын
But Frank Dux being the first American ninja total BS.Stephen K.Hayes was.
@Knucky_Sammich
2 жыл бұрын
Me and my buddies were real ninjas back in the 80's. We even had the mail order uniforms and throwing stars!
@benjaminpujols1914
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah but as a lot of people like to say which I believe is true that was separate say fighter professional from a martial artist is a martial artist trains all year-round and a fighter onlytrains when they have a fight coming a martial artist especially if you have nothing else to do and you like martial arts kind of like playing football you can still keep training even though in times of Peace So the leanest can still exist in that time you don't necessarily need war in order to still be a samurai or Warrior or fighter or martial artist
@MaharlikaAWA
2 жыл бұрын
History means HIS STORY as in God's story. Not a random person's story.
@VikingSamurai
2 жыл бұрын
God doesn't write the history books, men do.
@MaharlikaAWA
2 жыл бұрын
@@VikingSamurai maybe so but the word comes from the concept of God's story about His creation.
@benjaminpujols1914
2 жыл бұрын
I understand what he saying Shinobi or ninja is not a martial art just like being a gang banger is not a martial art you can be a Latin King you can be a GD but that is not a martial art that is just simply your occupation or the gang or the group that you happen to belong to and the fact that you do martial arts has nothing to do with that group is just simply something that you do that you are that you like and that you do for fun or for fighting or whatever so I get that
@TiagoBarufi
6 ай бұрын
If you saw the ninja it's because ninjutsu has failed already
@carloscruz2850
2 жыл бұрын
You should invite all the so-called American ninjas on your youtube channel. 🤔🤨😀😁
@deelo79
2 жыл бұрын
Perfect way of hiding, pretend Ninjutsu is "nonsense", thus all Ninjas have truly mastered the art of Ninja, the Art of invisibility! Don't you see???
@cosmokramer7396
2 жыл бұрын
You kid, but thats probably what they did.
@frankmartell2063
9 ай бұрын
Ironic about it the special forces took a lot of Intel from the invisible warriors
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