Thanks for watching the newest Coaches Corner! On this weeks Coaches Corner we talk with Muteace about Peach, her combo game, and where the character stacks up in the current meta! Do you think technical characters like Peach are worth it in the current meta? What other topics would you like discussed on Coaches Corner. You can find Smash University here! Smash University: TikTok - www.tiktok.com/@smashuniversity Discord - discord.gg/Mh7GBpn Twitter - twitter.com/Smash_edu Members on this episode of Coaches Corner: Charles twitter.com/CharlesThoren_ Tony twitter.com/JustCTony Ramses twitter.com/Ramses_Esports Bam twitter.com/BamOfThePpl Guest: MuteAce twitter.com/MuteAce Thumbnail Art by Kafonn: twitter.com/Kafonn_ Edited by: twitter.com/SM_MarthSSBM
@SmashLibrarian
8 ай бұрын
Since MkLeo talked about this on his Twitter, would be great to talk about what long term sustainability in Smash looks like, and whether it is all about results and/or having other things like life stability, content, etc. going on as well. Would be even more awesome to invite a few different types of successful players for that, e.g. - Void/Marss who occasionally compete - Riddles who competes a lot but still has content - Sonix/Muteace who mostly compete but are trying to branch into content
@5inistermm_109
8 ай бұрын
Ramses, if your reading this I just wanna say you put on a stellar performance while commentating at UFA
@RamsesEsports
8 ай бұрын
I'm always reading!! Tysm
@Marinthees
8 ай бұрын
Thank you guys so much for bringing back the timestamp bracket thingies!!! Being able to see what the topic is during each portion of the podcast makes the watchability of hour+ videos way better!!
@illusry7631
8 ай бұрын
The non-popoff is kinda the leo, he would always win and just act chill, get up, handshake. lol
@JiiunB
8 ай бұрын
god I enjoy listening to Mute talk so much, it's just fascinating seeing how he thinks about the game
@robertduffin1
8 ай бұрын
Not the subtle "you know the vibes" fade in and out at 24:35 💀
@chillbro6142
8 ай бұрын
I love hearing Mute talk so passionately about Smash. It would be great if he stayed on Coaches Corner. Sidenote: He does not run out of breath 😯 Hope he kills it at more tournies
@PrimeFlash93
8 ай бұрын
At around 1:00:30 Ramses mentions the input integrity adapter. I too assumed that low latency input options would help with this but it either doesn't matter that much or there is a lack of awareness. I'm a controller modder and asked a notable Peach combo freak (who uses stock equipment; no input integrity, no ProGCC until maybe recently) about how consistently he can hit his 0-to-death combos and he said, on a good day, he could probably do a 0-to-death combo ten times in a row without dropping it. I'm also acquainted with a top Paisy who also performs the combos on a stock phob with relatively high accuracy. I'd like to think low latency input options could help people perform frame perfect combos more consistently but the anecdotal data I've gathered suggests low latency isn't as important to players as I'd previously assumed. ESAM was also practicing the combos recently with what I assume to be a box controller and he said his input integrity adapter was busted. He was still able to perform combos that I can't even touch after 1,000 hours of Peach use and lots of labbing. So player caliber may be just as important as labbing. (Note that I don't know how much past experience ESAM has with Peach, it might be well over my 1,000 hours.) Given that the only viable practice is perfect practice, I encourage all lab rats to get a low latency input option for training sessions even if they cannot necessarily be used in every bracket. For Paisy, I'd like to see someone like Mute switch to one and see if his success rate goes up. Personally, if it were to be discovered that that there is a notable difference in combo performance on stock vs. low latency input options, I can't see Peach having a future unless low latency options become tournament legal.
@RamsesEsports
8 ай бұрын
More testing is definitely needed! I thought I'd bring it up mostly to help Mute. Might as well optimize 💁 Thanks for your in-depth comment!
@PrimeFlash93
8 ай бұрын
@@RamsesEsports Glad to be able to share (even though I can't name names for my own sake; small world).
@Babaganoush44
8 ай бұрын
This thumbnail is way too good 😂GG's boys
@FreeShadow05
8 ай бұрын
I literally just started really training my peach combos and tech and ive been thinking this all week. She's like Melee Fox 😭
@gooley9849
8 ай бұрын
Idk I always thought of ssbu peach as like a cousin of melee peach. Like really similar play style just lower apm than melee peach. (I am not high level peach or melee player) so idk but thats how i see it.
@d8-remy
8 ай бұрын
The Mute episodes never miss
@timothypulliam2177
8 ай бұрын
Just started playing peach this week and looking for youtube videos and this one pops up! Perfect timing!
@SmashLibrarian
8 ай бұрын
Let's go Muteace! Love to hear him talk. Also great work by Ramses @UFA!!
@RamsesEsports
8 ай бұрын
Thanks SmashLib!!
@00blazzer2
8 ай бұрын
The thumbnail though
@RamsesEsports
8 ай бұрын
🔥🔥🔥
@SantaLee2.0
8 ай бұрын
1:11 the amongus sound effect caught me off guard ngl 😂
@Litcheck
8 ай бұрын
I died when you actually ran the credits
@Sirr.JMajesty
8 ай бұрын
Lowkey, I kinda see Bloom4eva or like Lima on the podcast for an interview. I would love to hear from them. 2 players who lowkey are Broken on the sticks with a character who is on a Rise of Resurgence.
@Alphahunter456
8 ай бұрын
Love it when the whole crew is here ^^
@Lawliet626
8 ай бұрын
Greninja episode with Tarik and Ramses due to him being slowly rising?
@RamsesEsports
8 ай бұрын
Great idea!
@pOwerFGC
8 ай бұрын
fire thumbnail gents
@nianiwhite5052
8 ай бұрын
Shout outs to Bam for the Peach Sentinel comparison, I been saying that since 2018.......Peach be tap dancing on peoples heads. And now these crazy turnip combo are looking like Sent refly combos.
@PeterParker-rk4fe
8 ай бұрын
Are they worth it? Like we haven’t seen entire stocks get deleted in seconds 😂
@jamescoconut1282
8 ай бұрын
But you haven’t seen the other side
@christopheringram3597
8 ай бұрын
As someone with carpal tunnel, that's not enough to convince me they're worth it lmfao
@tankprosimporum7815
8 ай бұрын
Play rob and get zero to deaths if you can't handle it
@float_peach
8 ай бұрын
Mute has said he’s often scared to go for the stuff. If you truly look at it, though, they are becoming progressively more common. Umeki did at least 3 0-80s on Zomba at Port
@Clarkbardoone
8 ай бұрын
Gnw wins more without doing them. Steve wins more without doing them. sonic wins more without doing them. More work for less results?
@Bruce-906
8 ай бұрын
The average peach iq : 99999999999999999999K
@joakimgustavssonskold172
8 ай бұрын
I love this channel
@pmlo7275
8 ай бұрын
I heard on Tweek Talks there will be an episode about EU with gluto as a guest, is it for next week?
@dee7352
4 ай бұрын
The giygas reference is nice lol
@jontaii152
8 ай бұрын
Yes
@Sh1v3rIZAE
8 ай бұрын
Me personally I don't think so. As a Peach main myself. Look at all the fancy twitter combos other Peaches hit and you'll realize that most of it is the cause of the opponent picking dumb ass options. Like a DK dash attacking Peach's shield, or a Ganondorf wizkicking on sheild. This is because Peach is inherently a "You first" character, much like Joker, except she's nowhere near as good. She only wins off of you being bad at the game or simply not knowing how to play against Peach because they are honestly pretty rare. Turnip is complete ass on it's own, and the only reason it's "good" is because items naturally have good attributes and it's generous bounce angle. It dies upon touching the ground, It's range is nigh nonexistent for how reactable it is, can easily be killed by hitting it, and even if the opponent misses the turnip they can have a chance of picking it up themselves, Z-Drop turnip also has no range on it's own either. The reason why this matters is because she's inherently bad against defensive characters because she can't just hope the opponent presses the wrong buttons or gets MU checked, so not having any actual zoning options on top of bad range outside of turnip don't help her. Her float is easy to catch, and if they have a bad habit of JCFF, which is their only real way of getting out of disadvantage outside of Z-Dropping turnip, it's easy to not only burn their float but their double jump as well, basically reducing her to Little Mac offstage. The Peach combos themselves aren't too hard to learn on it's own either but if you have a more "universal" bindset for people who play the roster like me it can definitely be a pain in the ass to have a bindset for peach because they're going to be so different as well. In conclusion, I don't think Peach is a good character, at least not as good as some people hype her up to be, especially because the combos they autistically focus on aren't even that practical to hit in the first place if the opponent isn't a braindead QP masher.
@colbyclay5911
8 ай бұрын
A lot of what you said is definitely true on how she can struggle in particular matchups or how she herself matchup-checks people who might not know how to deal with float mixups. But these combos are starting to get hit more consistently in tournaments settings if you watch umeki and muteace play, including against other top players who are far better than any of us or “brain dead QP mashers.” Her combo routes are versatile and, while they are difficult, they are true combos that an opponent can do little about once they get caught with a set up. Even when they don’t hit the full combo, they regularly get 80+ percent. Turnip trains can literally start from an item toss on whiff or OOS and deal 60-70 percent and finish with a kill or edge guard. Peach is extremely hard but you are severely downplaying her viability. Mute clearly believes in her
@Sh1v3rIZAE
8 ай бұрын
Show me one combo MuteAce had that doesn't involve a Uair on someone picking a dumb option.
@colbyclay5911
8 ай бұрын
@@Sh1v3rIZAE yeah cuz the best players in the world don’t mix up their options. And the turnip trains that umeki and mute do on whiffs or OOS don’t count either right? Come on dude
@Sh1v3rIZAE
8 ай бұрын
> yeah cuz the best players in the world don’t mix up their options. I want to think you're joking. And I asked for proof, such as... youtube videos? @@colbyclay5911
@iandrummond2575
8 ай бұрын
Unemployed combo 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Alphacheese1
5 ай бұрын
Holy wait, there's a global TO's group?! May I please rep my territory??
@endo9863
8 ай бұрын
How come so many gay smash players play Peach and Bayo?
@corgitoergosum8400
8 ай бұрын
gay ppl always gravitate towards womanly things after a while
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