THERE ARE ACTUAL SPOILERS IN THE COMMENTS. Read at your own risk. ಠ_ಠ
@LordLoss0000
10 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@s1lverp3nguin
10 жыл бұрын
I kind of anticipated that...
@7337matt
10 жыл бұрын
Nice pokemon hat! :D
@J4KETS
10 жыл бұрын
Jake is that a WHO-TANG-CLAN shirt!?
@mitin0806
10 жыл бұрын
***** Tyrion has not died and Jon, well ... you have to wait for the sixth book to know that. SPOILERS!!!!
@AsapSCIENCE
10 жыл бұрын
Spoiler alert: We hate spoilers! But we love Mike and had fun being in this video :)
@ryanehsani6152
10 жыл бұрын
Ditto
@PhilosophyTube
10 жыл бұрын
Spoiling could actually be detrimental to the writer as well because it stops people appreciating their work the way it was intended. Like if you spend ages carefully working foreshadowing of a climax into a story so it shows off your understanding of establishing strong overarching themes and then somebody gives the game away then it's kindof a waste of effort on your part.
@ellenmcilveen1719
10 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Still, isn't there always going to be tension between authorial intent and interpretation by the audience? I think I agree most with the reader-response style of literary analysis: Although certainly the author's perspective shapes a text and creates boundaries for interpretation, what readers (by which I mean consumers of media more generally) take away from it is always informed by their own experience and viewpoint. Also, spoilers tend to be more plot-based than anything else. How often do people say, 'Spoiler! It was actually set in an abandoned warehouse,' or 'And guess what! The hero ended up discovering his own hubris'? So in my view even if a plot point is spoiled, a reader can still get huge benefits from seeing the work through to the end in order to get the full effect of the execution, things like writing style, cinematography, thematic shifts, and character development. I think that isn't dependent on whether you're a reader who appreciates spoilers or not.
@StefanDByerley
10 жыл бұрын
You’ve failed to define “spoiler.” For example, I’ve never thought the trailers for “Sinister” revealed any spoilers. I just thought everything we were seeing in the trailer was building up to an awesome reveal that would and should be considered a spoiler. Yet, after seeing the film with friends who had not seen the trailer, I felt as though the film was very underwhelming. I decided to play the trailer for for my friends after seeing the movie, and they thought that the trailer DID in fact spoil the film. (No one harmed by the trailer, since the film was already seen by all.) Everything the trailer included that I thought would be used to build up to something ended up being used in the film AS the big reveal rather than building up TOWARDS a big reveal, and was disappointed after the film as I felt that the movie didn’t offer anything new or imaginative. Those who had not seen the trailers enjoyed the movie better because they weren’t expecting any of the reveals in the film, and therefore thought the film had delivered more than I thought it had. In this light, I’m wondering if some people are being too generous in their definition of “spoilers.” If "Star Wars Episode IV: The Empire Strikes Back" was released today for the first time ever, everyone would be thinking that a lightsaber duel between Luke and Darth Vader would be the spoiler, and they would be disappointed in seeing clips of it in the trailers. In fact, they would be completely wrong, as it is Darth Vader’s revelation to Luke about their relationship that was the real spoiler in the film. Revealing clips of the lightsaber duel building up to that moment is simply displaying the natural and logical progression of the Star Wars narrative while also providing a draw for cinema-goers to return for the next Star Wars installment. Basically, if you can spoil a movie (or any other form of narrative) by simply describing its premise or thinking through its logical progressions in the narrative, then the story probably doesn’t have much to offer the viewer to begin with. And if people are holding to these aspects of narration as “spoilers,” then they’re going to miss out on any small discussions around the film that anyone may want to have even though the actual, life-changing spoilers aren't discussed in the process.
@Jarasilverdawn
10 жыл бұрын
I would argue that knowing what foreshadowing leads up to doesn't undo the writer's work-- instead it imbues every aspect of foreshadowing with dramatic irony, if the work is well-put-together. If it doesn't hold up when you already know the big twist, then it probably wasn't very well-written to begin with.
@TiBunCosplay
10 жыл бұрын
Foreshadowing can also spoil an event in the book/show itself to any readers/watchers that are really good at picking up on such things.
@Kaldurahm1
10 жыл бұрын
The whole story matters. The writer's favorite part of the book can't just be the climax. The entire arc can't just be a way to get the reader to your ending. You're basically saying that the entire storyline is just a means to an end--THE end (not necessarily of the whole story but at least of an individual storyline). That can't be true. Everything from page 1 or scene 1 to right before the climax has to actually matter. You know the end of Romeo and Juliet, of Macbeth, of a million stories that we twist and reuse but you watch and read them anyway because it's how you get there that matters. Also, I hope no authors are writing things JUST to show how well they understand a particular literary technique. That would be terrible. TL;DR The effort wasn't in writing an ending; it was in writing a book(or script).
@krombopulos_michael
10 жыл бұрын
The thing about "you enjoy it more when it's spoiled" might be true, but it doesn't change the fact that you get to see it unspoiled *ONCE*. You can revisit the spoiled version an infinite number of times, but you only get the experience of seeing it untainted the first time. This is especially true when there's a big twist or unexpected event. The reason a twist is fun is because it tricked you into thinking the wrong thing right up to the end and then you realise how they suckered you. If you know it from the start, there is no surprise, the twist they worked so hard to build up suddenly becomes worthless, like knowing how a magician did a trick before seeing him perform it.
@krombopulos_michael
10 жыл бұрын
I also agree with the guy who doesn't like people telling him "oh this one is really good". Personally, I tend to enjoy the things I like more when I wasn't expecting it to be brilliant. The problem then is that if you loved it because it was a surprise, you can't convey that to people who haven't seen it yet because now you're starting your own little hype machine that is sure to let them down.
@JuiceJuffer
10 жыл бұрын
You have made possibly the best comment of anyone so far, I wouldn't be surprised If Mike mentions it at the end of the next vid. I whole heartily agree.
@bmh4d0k3n
10 жыл бұрын
Cian YES. Similarly, when people posted their reactions to, say, the Season 4 Finale of Dexter or the Red Wedding without actually giving specific details, those were still spoilers, because those episodes were intended to end in a surprising way. Because I knew how people reacted, it wasn't too hard for me to figure out approximately what happened. I think waiting one day before posting spoilers on Facebook is fair ... with Twitter and Tumblr, you can at least filter out tags (and Twitter is, by design, more instantaneous).
@xnamkcor
10 жыл бұрын
Watching it spoiled first is just as unique experience as watching it unspoiled. You can't just go back and watch it for the first time again. If you watch it unspoiled first, you spoil the experience you may have had if you watched it spoiled for the first time.
@Pyrovile42
10 жыл бұрын
jesse jess Not really, he just said he agrees with thing said in the video and he wrote them down to make it clearer.
@RobertMisner
10 жыл бұрын
The worst kind of person is the person who hangs out in a _show specific community_ while the show airs and then gets upset when people are *discussing that show.* The thought that some people can hang out online in a venue dedicated to the discussion of a TV show that they enjoy and then get upset when people are actively discussing the most recent development on that TV show drives me battynutty.
@xanthk
10 жыл бұрын
Is there any limit to that? What about members of that community who are usually hanging out together, but in different timezones? Everyone there is very excited about the night's events, but the west coast is a few hours behind in seeing it. Is there any onus on the east coast to hold their enthusiasm? Does the west coast simply need to leave for those hours in anticipation of every new happening?
@LordMoridin
10 жыл бұрын
Krysta Vixen Yes
@Seeker
10 жыл бұрын
No one spoil this video for me.
@DJ_LP_ViBE
10 жыл бұрын
There is another rule to insulate yourself on KZitem that I learned many years ago. Don't scroll down and read the comments until after you watch the video. (I've been wanting to say that for a while.)
@FaolanHart
10 жыл бұрын
Hashtaggis This 100%, where else are people going to talk about a video if not in the comments section? Best to finish the video first & then see what people are saying down here.
@montengro234
10 жыл бұрын
***** Yeah Tyrion dies.
@jordankloosterman2966
10 жыл бұрын
he keeps touching his nose during the comments
@caeruleas
10 жыл бұрын
Hashtaggis I dunno, I wish I had scrolled down for that damn jumpscare in one of SourceFedNerd's recent videos.
@NosDarkly
10 жыл бұрын
I've had friends give me false spoilers. Makes for a unique viewing experience.
@cookieaddictions
10 жыл бұрын
***** My go-to line is "they all join the circus." Haha.
@Shakespeare563
10 жыл бұрын
My friends who have read the GoT books do that and it is the most aggravating thing in the world, honestly I would prefer it if they just outright spoiled it.
@kurzgesagt
10 жыл бұрын
There should be a function on the internet that makes you ignore content related to a series for as long as you need - some people just have other habits and we should always asume that the other person doesn't want to know. So no spoilers until permission is granted. I always wait for a season to be completed before I watch it in one or two wonderful evenings - so since there are a lot of stupid people on the internet that just want to have lots of cheap upvotes - every single Meme website there is (especially 9gag, the home of spoilers) gets blocked with "lechblock", until Game of Thrones has aired and I watched it. Havent seen the recent season yet by the way, no spoilers!
@d3line
10 жыл бұрын
The winter will come!
@Leander_
10 жыл бұрын
Spoiler alert: EVERYONE DIES. Jk. That was a terrible joke, I'm sorry.
I personally think that if someone doesn't want something to be spoiled for them, then they should be the ones who actively try and avoid spoilers. It's just part of our nature to want to talk about and discuss things that we are interested in, and I don't think a person should feel obligated to not talk about something simply in the fear that they may spoil it for someone. Personally, I don't care about spoilers, in my opinion there is a difference between knowing what's going to happen and actually seeing it happen. You could tell me that so and so dies on this episode of Blanking Blank, and sure I'll know that so and so dies, but I wouldn't know the complex series of events that lead to so and so's death. When I hear people say that they had a show, or a movie, or a book ruined for them because some plot element was spoiled, it makes me think that they have a very shallow appreciation of the media, and that the last two hours or last 500 pages were completely meaningless and all that matters is what amounts to a very small part of the product as a whole. I'd argue that most people born in the last 20 years probably found out that Darth Vader was Luke's father long before they actually saw a Star Wars movie. I did, but I don't love Star Wars any less because of it. I think as a culture, we've come to expect that our media has some kind of secret to be revealed, and that finding out the secret has become more important that the actual story itself. Don't get me wrong, I love twists and surprises in stories, but knowing or not knowing them doesn't make it or brake it for me. tl;dr I respect that some people may not like spoilers, and I do try to avoid talking about them with people who I know haven't seen the thing yet, but you shouldn't expect that everybody will or even should do the same. Also, if you started watching a show that has already ended and an episode from three years ago was spoiled for you, that is completely your fault.
@AuntieHauntieGames
8 жыл бұрын
What that one guy Bobby said. The most frustrating thing for me is when I want to know some detail about a show, movie, or whathaveyou (because I enjoy the dramatic irony of knowing what happens in advance way more than I enjoy a virgin experience) but then they WILL NOT tell me because they do not want to spoil it for me. "Tell me." "I don't want to spoil it for you." "I don't care. Tell me." "No, I really don't want to spoil it for you." "Stop." "But--" "Just stop. Stop and tell me. Please. I will enjoy it more." So much frustration. But I guess it comes with coming from a theatrical background. Classic theater has always prefaced the story for the audience from the very start. Much of Shakespeare explains what it is going to happen in the first scene, and theater stretching even further back definitely summarizes the entire story for the audience before the action even starts. Probably because playwrights found that the apprehension of dramatic irony made the show more enjoyable for the audience each and every time.
@RabekJeris
10 жыл бұрын
I'm getting very victim-blamey vibes from the people saying it's the viewer's responsibility to avoid spoilers, not people's responsibility to avoid spoiling for others. It makes me uncomfortable. It's suggesting that people need to cloister themselves from the rest of society or else it's their own fault someone else was a jerk. It's a dangerous thought process.
@BlinkPopShift
10 жыл бұрын
Please no other men in your videos. They look so homely by comparison.
@auparis
10 жыл бұрын
You're SO RIGHT! I want to see what's underneath that beard.
@BlinkPopShift
10 жыл бұрын
Right like why all the chatter?
@ryamldess
10 жыл бұрын
Right, because male youtubers are just pieces of meat to be ogled... he has a mind, too. He's actually very intelligent.
@auparis
10 жыл бұрын
I don't care if he's intelligent or not, bro. I just care about dat ass.
@ryamldess
10 жыл бұрын
People like you are part of the problem. This is why men are overly objectified and under represented on KZitem. It isn't about how attractive they are, it's about their content; they are creators. They deserve just as much of a voice as women do.
@stefanfr13
10 жыл бұрын
I think there should be 1 rule of spoilers: Ask if someone wants to hear spoilers and/or if they have gotten just as far in the book/film/game/whatever as you have. If they are fine with spoilers or have gotten just as far as you, go nuts!
@grschumann
10 жыл бұрын
Spoilers should be like sex, always consensual. ;)
@chefkochjay
10 жыл бұрын
As "klicks", "thumbs ups" and "subscriptions" are the ways in which we youtubers can express how much we like certain videos and channels, you can clearly see that the PBS Idea Channel is not appreciated as much as it should be, concerning: *how awesome it is, *how professional and entertaining the presentation is *how well thought out and intelligent the topics are and *how much work has been put into every video (and beyond - i mean just watch from 10:30 onwards - a third of this video is actually a Channel reacting to us and our ideas - he's not just saying "well d'uh comment for traffic" - he's genuinely interested in what we have to contribute and he takes up another step of work to read our comments AND another, in which he presents them in his videos and reacts to them - WOW!) We are definitely on one of the quality sides of KZitem right now and I wish by this comment at least you guys can be sure that you ARE appreciated! But since the KZitem administration and general public cares most about klicks, thumbs and subscriptions, I do hope you'll amass them like the quality of your work deserves!
@peteyboy100
10 жыл бұрын
I personally feel like if a game/movie/book is spoiled by one major plot point or event... or by simplifying the story in a six minute trailer... it couldn't have been a strong story to begin with. To me, media like this is about the experience. It would be like saying, "I don't need to see the Grand Canyon, because I saw a whole PBS documentary all about it. The wonder is simply ruined for me." That seems absurd. There is so much to the story that you still have to experience besides that single "spoiled" event. I find it so upsetting that a friend won't tell me about a game/movie/book I haven't seen yet because they think it will spoil it. Please do "spoil" it. I want to have this conversation with you... right now while it is fresh in your mind and you are excited about it. If the game/movie/book is actually good, I will still enjoy playing/viewing it no matter what information was giving to me before hand.
@Yellowmenace18
10 жыл бұрын
The point about talking w/ friends is important. I feel spoilerphobes value things & $$$ over ppl. It's putting the media (book, movie, game...) above human experience. "Be quiet, the TV is talking! Let me enjoy my experience with this lifeless object"
@ABooleanEarth
10 жыл бұрын
I don't know if that's true. I can think of a wide variety of things where I could tell you something that you wouldn't even realize is a spoiler until you get close to that point because of the thing's complexity, but knowing that one thing beforehand still might lessen the experience of finding out. Totally with you, though, that there are many things I don't mind being spoiled about, and you should always have the option to opt-out of being unspoiled if you just want to better understand the thing through social interaction.
@ABooleanEarth
10 жыл бұрын
Yellowmenace I think it's really disingenuous and maybe even pretty condescending to denigrate the valuation of personal experiences (with media or just with life) as "valuing money over people." And it's not valuing media over human experience because MEDIA IS A FORM OF HUMAN EXPERIENCE. Don't tell people that the way they're living their lives is somehow inauthentic or less valid just because they're experiencing it on their own. I know that my life is a lot richer and more interesting because of experiences with media, and that doesn't mean that you shouldn't talk with your friends about stuff or that social experiences are unimportant (in fact, they often improve or heighten media experiences), but acting like people who want to know and interpret things on their own BEFORE they talk about them with others are somehow living in an unfulfilling fantasy is super asinine.
@peteyboy100
10 жыл бұрын
***** Hmm, yeah. That's really a great point. I agree mostly. But my point is just that it seems absurd that someone would say "You really need to drive to Arizona to see this thing. I can't say anything more than that or it will be spoiled." Just knowing that a thing exists doesn't spoil the wonder. Even if someone describes it in great detail, I would argue that it doesn't spoil the experience, because you aren't actually experiencing that thing when someone describes it. It is still an amazing experience full of wonderment when you go and see it through your own eyes. But I do see your point that it lessens it a bit... for some reason. I guess maybe I get annoyed when people feel like "Well, now I can't watch/enjoy the thing because it was spoiled"... or "We can't talk about this thing yet, because I will spoil it for you." I'd rather hear about your feelings on it right now while you are passionately talking/thinking about it than to talk about it later once I get a chance to experience it on my own. But I get it... and I think it is just preference thing... as was mentioned in the video.
@middenway
10 жыл бұрын
Context is everything. I'm going to use The Sixth Sense as an example. You can easily sum up that twist, "Malcolm was dead all along." Yes, it can be summed up easily, but that doesn't make it a cheap gimmick. It was a narrative tool that had been used the length of the film. The entire film is from Malcolm's point of view, even when he isn't in a scene. Still but one of those scenes is something he'll be told about by Cole in one of their seasons. You watch, every time that's been a scene without Malcolm, the next time we see Malcolm he's already been told about what we just saw and is responding to it on an emotional level very similar to the way an audience member likely would be. The exception, the final scene with Cole and his mother, is still about Malcolm, because even though he isn't there, this moment is the catharsis for his soul. It's the moment his spirit is feed, the shackles that have kept him the Earthly plane are destroyed that moment. Now all that's left is for him to say goodbye to his wife and set her free. The reveal's function is to experience the moment with Malcolm. If you don't know about it before seeing the movie, you are right there with him in this scene. This sort of reveal can be cheap and gimmicky, but I'm this case, it was motivated by character and it was consistent with the point of view established throughout the rest of the film, in which you experience moments alongside Malcolm. You can't get that back in the same capacity if you've been spoiled.
@Arian545
9 жыл бұрын
Is there an expiration date on spoilers though? Like, i once accidentally spoiled the ending of Red Dead Redemption for a classmate, because i assumed he had finished the game as it has been out for quite a while at that point.. i still feel bad about it, but at the same time, i feel like after a certain point we should have the freedom to become lass wary when it comes to spoilers, because it is only reasonable expect people to have already consumed that piece of entertainment.
@rexer6007
10 жыл бұрын
I love how when he says "code" a Dexter clip is shown.
@jony4real
9 жыл бұрын
I like to read the Wikipedia summary of a book before I read the actual book. It spoils a lot of major plot points, but not all of them. Sometimes a plot point that seemed trivial in Wikipedia becomes really huge in the book itself. It's like mapping a planet from orbit, then landing and exploring it on foot.
@banana_siaanna
10 жыл бұрын
This really reminds me of situations in public or around friends, where people who smoke are asked to smoke elsewhere or blow the smoke the other way. If Spoiling is like Smoking, maybe the same rules are in place: Before smoking (wanting to talk about show) around others ask if it is okay, if you see someone grabbing their pack of cigarette (starts talking about show) ask them to perhaps do that elsewhere. And in public places, busses, trains, stores, etc. no smoking (no spoiling?). Personally I love spoilers and talking about what I just witnessed with others, so I can tell you that it really takes the fun out of the conversation when people who do not like spoilers tell you to stop talking about it.
@jayrunham
10 жыл бұрын
In an article I wrote about Spoilers on my site, I compared Spoilers or being spoiled to being rude. Sometimes being rude is funny, sometimes it's inappropriate. In general and in public places, I would err on the side of caution when it comes to being rude and/or talking about spoilers. With my friends however I know what they (for the most part) consider rude or do not appreciate. This is why the internet is so full of spoilers... no one gives a crap about being rude on the internet (in general anyways).
@veronicamcghie5238
10 жыл бұрын
I personally hate the attitude that if you're using the internet they you should expect to be spoiled. Pretty sure I didn't sign an agreement to have things spoiled for me because I wanted to see what some artists on tumblr were drawing.
@veronicamcghie5238
10 жыл бұрын
I also hate the attitude that once something has aired in America it's ok to spoil that for everyone in the entire world.
@EliteRocketBear
10 жыл бұрын
To be entirely fair, if you are using social media, especially things like twitter, youtube, tumblr and Reddit, (can ignore Facebook for the most part, or else you need new friends). You are dealing with random strangers on the internet. So you are essentially walking into a minefield that has 20 signs saying "Warning, minefield" and then start bitching about having your leg blown off. Is it right for others to start discussing this carelessly when it comes to a franchise? No, but neither is it wrong. Are you wrong for bitching? Kind of, since you are fully aware that some, if not most people don't adhere to that courtesy. If you want to avoid spoilers all together, don't look at comment sections, don't browse reddit and break out of your tumblr habbit. Because that will inadvertently end in a bad time for you. You are largely responsible for it yourself, so if you do get spoiled online, you are mostly to blame.
@veronicamcghie5238
10 жыл бұрын
By that logic shouldn't I also never go into any public space? I'm equally as likely to have something ruined by two people sitting next to me on a train than I am on any social media site.
@linkno1
10 жыл бұрын
James McGhie Public spaces aren't the same at all. By your logic, EVERYBODY only ever travels in at least a group of 2 and only ever talks about whatever they watched last night. People are likely to mention the last episode of *whatever* on Facebook, post jokes and pictures about it. Why should they not talk about it just because you haven't watched it? Same goes with people who go to videos on youtube related to *whatever* and complaining about spoilers in the comments. Why should other people who have actually seen this all the way through be stopped from discussing it? You kind of sound like the guy who would shout "SHUT UP TALKING ABOUT THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT". Logically, you wouldn't be allowed to talk about it once you had seen it either.
@veronicamcghie5238
10 жыл бұрын
"Why should they not talk about it just because you haven't watched it?" Because of basic courtesy? Because they recognise that maybe their friends didn't get a chance to watch that thing that week. Maybe they understand that somethings their friends are too busy or didn't have the money to go to the movies that week? Maybe they recognise that posting that LOL Cat captioned Game of Thrones photo isn't worth ruining someone else's enjoyment of a piece of media? "Logically, you wouldn't be allowed to talk about it once you had seen it either." If I want to talk about something I would do it in a private space after establishing the rules of who has seen what (eg I have a friend who never saw past season 2 of BSG so we don't talk about anything in the show past that point when she is around).
@crazykenna
8 жыл бұрын
I love spoilers if I don't intend to watch (read, listen to, etc.) something, because then I can know the juicy details without wading through context I don't care about. Spoil all the Netflix shows for me, I don't have Netflix anyway! On the other hand, things I DO plan to experience synchronously with the rest of the cultural audience? No spoilers, please. I even stop watching trailers before movies come out because I feel like too many details are revealed and it dissolves all the tension when I watch it for the first time.
@dishwater63
10 жыл бұрын
I'm with ASAPScience. If I know anything about a piece of media, anything at all, outside of the knowledge of it existing, it's spoiled for me. I haven't watched Breaking Bad. You know that Idea Channel video about Breaking Bad? Never seen it. And I won't until I finish the show.
@paulbushey5223
10 жыл бұрын
I have been an active member of the KZitem community for the last eight years and this is the best show on KZitem, hands down. I have literally watched over a thousand hours of KZitem videos yet these episodes are my favorite. When I found this channel a month ago I started from your first show and now I've made it to your current episode. After bingeing for hours to catch up I needed to say thank you for a great time and more please. Maybe make an Idea channel 2! Mike you sound like you have more ideas to share than just one per week. I've got some ideas on how you could make "idea channel 2" unique as well. All the best
@neyann
10 жыл бұрын
It goes both ways. Basically, if you've seen something, don't be a jerk - don't spoil the show/thing/whatever for the other person ON PURPOSE. But at the same time, if you haven't seen it, don't be all upset about people talking about it, sharing gifs, etc. Just log out. Don't go online till you see it yourself. You have no right to take away the pleasure of excitement from other people who have already experienced the show/book/movie and so on.
@liamjackson4641
10 жыл бұрын
I think what your friends tell you is based on what their family is like growing up. If their parents like to tell them a lot or any siblings like have hate surprises, they'll probably try to tell you how a new movie just in theaters that you haven't seen yet ended. But if their siblings and parents don't tell them things or don't like to hear any spoilers, they'll be more likely to not say anything about it at all. Just so it's clear, I'm writing this from my personal experience.
@matrinoxtm
8 жыл бұрын
Like someone said, you can't spoil the presentation of the idea so knowing what happens is just a small percent of it
@hoodiesticks
10 жыл бұрын
I once gave a friend a fake spoiler. I'd just read The Fault In Our Stars, and Hazel goes through pretty much the entire book with the knowledge that she has cancer, and that she is going to die soon. So I told my friend that she dies at the end of the book, because then he would be expecting the same things as Hazel. He told me afterward that the real ending caught him off guard, but he was also angry at me for lying to him. On the bright side, now I can spoil things for him all I want, and he won't believe me.
@MagmarFire
10 жыл бұрын
That's a very good way to be creative about spoilers. Keeping people guessing is a neat method of preserving them and even enhancing the experience when their expectations are subverted.
@touisbetterthanpi
9 жыл бұрын
I get really into this and think up very detailed "spoilers" it doesn't always work but it's hilarious when it does. (Same thing happened to me with TFIOS and I almost think it made it better.)
@parsamend
10 жыл бұрын
This is great. The fact that people enjoy stories more once they already know the "spoilers" is a completely new and fascinating thing to me.
@MrNichtus
8 жыл бұрын
When it comes to others: I will always ask first, do you care about spoilers. If the answer is no, I proceed enthusiastically. If the answer is yes (ah, a caveat!), I gauge whether or not what I have to say and thus discuss is going to qualify as a spoiler to you. If it will, I try to think of another media to fill the gap and shift gears to. When it comes to me: typically I prefer spoilers over virgin media experience because I enjoy watching the pieces come together. The caveat is often with stories in progress, because I am already invested and to me this IS the pieces coming together, rather than just a point on a mental chart.
@PrimoSchnevi
10 жыл бұрын
Hey, im curious if somebody on here can answer me this question: Jon Snow dies in the last book. He gets stabbed by his brothers on the wall.
@Glidergirl10
10 жыл бұрын
I know full well that it's very hard to avoid spoilers on the internet, for instance... DOCTOR WHO SEASON 6 SPOILER ALERT While I was watching Doctor Who for the first time, I stumbled upon tumblr and was browsing it for a while, when of course, I read something about (spoiler alert, if you're still here for some reason) River Song being Melody Pond. And I'm just like "wha-wha- huh?!" So, when I saw the episode that that was revealed in, I got preeeetty frustrated. In fact, I never go on tumblr to this day because of that. But I really do agree with the thrill of watching something for the first time. I've noticed that I enjoyed that episode of Doctor Who a lot less then other ones, because I already knew about the twist ending. Although, I did read a book recently, and I knew about some characters secret and as I read it, even before his secret was revealed, I felt really sad for him and because I knew about it, I felt more for the character. It was kind of interesting actually, I didn't think that would happen.
@Yealuke
10 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure why you got mad over that. It was a terrible plot twist IMO.
@Glidergirl10
10 жыл бұрын
Luke Whitehead well, that's your opinion.
@Firmus777
10 жыл бұрын
I like being spoiled. And I find it frustrating that I can't find series 8 scripts online.
@legohanknaruto
10 жыл бұрын
When I got into the Sherlock fandom I wanted to look up stuff about it online... Never again
@hugge123456
10 жыл бұрын
I enjoy false spoilers. Because then you get double chocked when you expect something and something different happens.
@chillsahoy2640
10 жыл бұрын
Dobby snaps his fingers and makes butterflies surround Voldemort's head, which makes him realize that he was only doing evil things due to self-hatred and poor upbringing, then he marries Hermione and house elves are allowed to marry.
@hugge123456
10 жыл бұрын
E Hernandez Oh shit, that's totally what I guessed would happen too!
@Egonkiller
10 жыл бұрын
I was faked spolied once, it was a horrible experience, I was expecting a tragic ending while everything that happened in the middle I was like "But this is going to happen and ruin everything", in the end when it didn't happened I was more angry than surprised... So it's a double-edge sword...
@hugge123456
10 жыл бұрын
Jack Freeman Yea, if it becomes an anti-climax it's dumb, but if it's just different in a neutral or positive way i like it.
@zigzagzoom369
10 жыл бұрын
During the latest season of Game of Thrones, when I knew there'd be a major character death coming up, I would take to just posting things like "R.I.P Hodor" on Facebook just to try to make people doubt the validity of any actual spoilers.
@ElliotDooleysmith
10 жыл бұрын
I think spoiler button / tag should be standardised in all web text boxes. Something as standard as a *bold*. Then you just put what ever your spoiler might be inside a set of symbols, ( perhaps $ $ ) This then by default hides the text, replacing it with a clickable SPOILERS!! buttons that will show the spoiler. This would be most useful on twitter / Facebook. Emily Eifler mentioned that if you are going to be on Twitter / Facebook / Social media you should enjoy the spoilers, this seems somewhat unfair for those who do want to use social media but do not want to be spoiled. So as my point began, having a simple option to hide this across all web platforms would work for everyone. Why not even have a default setting in Twitter for example, just have a setting, I DON'T LIKE SPOILERS, and then all spoilers ( courteously tagged as spoilers by your fellow "Twittererers" ?? "Twatters" ?? "Tweeters" ?? ) will automatically be hidden (with optional show button), or I DO LIKE SPOILERS, they will all be shown regardless. I have noticed some people going on about if you can't keep up today then its your own DAMNED fault for having it spoilt. This seems rather narrow minded and self involved, what if the tables were turned, what if you were on Holiday, or God (if he exists) forbid your TV / Internet goes down, and miss that initial release. A conversation among friends should never be an awkward one. It should always be established who is where in a series (or whatever) and the appropriate precautions taken to ensure that everyone is satisfied with the outcome. A friend that spoils a show for me when they explicitly know that I have not seen / do not what to know (yet) what happens and tells me anyway is no longer a friend of mine! A conversation can still be had about a certain episode (or whatever) without going into spoiler territory, or just out of common courtesy wait until that person is no longer there and talk to others. If talking about the latest episode (or whatever) is the only thing you and your friends have to talk about then perhaps you should take a better look at your life and rethink a few things.
@TheRunningRoman
10 жыл бұрын
My method of dealing with spoilers comes from ages of having things spoiled for me. If something is spoiled for me, whether I asked for it or not, and I want to get that "first time experience" as I assume the original creator intended, then I will play/watch/read/listen to whatever it is without "knowing" the spoiled parts. For example, I had all of the main Bioshock plot twists spoiled for me looong before I played the game, mostly because they were great topics to discuss. However, about 3 years after it was spoiled for me, I played the game, but only after putting myself in the mindset to disregard any conclusions I might draw on my experiences if they drew on "spoilers". So I was able to go through the whole climax of the game as if I didn't know anything except what had been presented. It's a really useful technique that really helps me get around spoilers without running away all the time. It helps you understand more about what is really going on afterwards, without having to go through the whole experience again for a cognitive pass aimed at "understanding" the work.
@MagusSartori
8 жыл бұрын
After reading every spoiler imaginable for a game where people put extra spoiler warnings on top of their regular spoiler warnings that you should not spoil yourself for this game... I just finished Undertale. And it was the best. Would I have enjoyed it more if I had not spoiled myself? Impossible to say due to the linear nature of time. But I still _really_ enjoyed the game. So I'm pro-spoiler
@Marconius6
10 жыл бұрын
I disagree with the whole "pals before portents" rule; if it's a small group, I think respectfully asking not to be spoiled is completely reasonable; if it's a large group and you're in the minority you should adjust: if you're the only one who hasn't seen the latest Game of Thrones, then either bite the bullet and get spoiled or... well, leave, temporarily. Basically, spoiling or not is a social skill: adjust to the conversation, or if you can't, drop out of it, but don't be a dick about it and except everyone to adjust to you. If you're the only one in a group of five with a spoiler, it's dickish to spoil it for everyone; but at the same time, if you're the only one NOT aware of something, it's dickish to expect everyone else not to talk about it just because you're there. I suppose it's a bit like smoking in that respect, isn't it?
@Marconius6
10 жыл бұрын
As an addendum, it's also interesting to consider what actually COUNTS as a spoiler; people seem to have different opinions of this. Personally I'm of the opinion that some stuff is more teasing that spoiling ("guys, someone important dies this episode, but I'm not telling you who!"), so that's... kind of okay. But it varies from person to person, and I generally don't trust my friends enough to judge appropriately, so my usual stance is "do not talk about this thing with me at all I do not want to hear it you will spoil things shut up!"
@lubomirsalgo7638
10 жыл бұрын
Marconius "if you're the only one NOT aware of something, it's dickish to expect everyone else not to talk about it just because you're there", "do not talk about this thing with me at all I do not want to hear it you will spoil things shut up!" Basicaly you enjoy spoiling things, but don't want your friends to spoil things for you.
@KRIGBERT
10 жыл бұрын
Ľubomír Šalgo I don't get it. There are billions of things to talk about. How is asking people to stay away from one topic spoiling the conversation?
@Moonbeam143
10 жыл бұрын
You mean Harry's a wizard? Thanks for spoiling the book for me!
@DudeBroMan
10 жыл бұрын
This issue of spoilers is very prominent in my circle of friends as we are all more or less into the same things, specifically since between the five of us, we all have completely different stances on spoilers. These are as follows: - I try my best to stay in the know, in order to weaponise spoilers to use as revenge for getting spoiled or to force someone to catch up to me. Hypocritically, I hate getting spoiled. - Friend A hates getting spoiled, and hates it when others get spoiled, he tries to maintain order and consideration, but he is also usually the one behind on everything... - Friend B spoils everything for others constantly without thinking, even though we always ask him to be careful. In turn, no-one bothers to ask him if he minds being spoiled. - Friend C more often than not doesn't care about spoilers, or wants to be spoiled, although, he always checks if others care about spoilers. - Friend D is neither here nor there, he cares depending on the subject matter, and will sometimes check if others mind spoilers. He stays mostly in the know. We mostly try to be considerate overall, but things get very complicated, I've noticed that we each usually get spoiled for something that we each personally care about more, while the "one who spoils" usually isn't as into that particular thing so they don't consider it as important. I would like there to be universal guidelines so that we can stop arguing over them...
@ronaldmclaughter9993
10 жыл бұрын
Myself and friends have more then once refused to spoil a show. The person's usual rebuttal is that they don't care, or that they won't ever watch it. I think this response really highlights why people don't like spoiling stories for there friends. For instance, if I watch this really awesome show and I absolutely loved it I want my friend to experience that same enjoyment. I personally wouldn't want that awesome moment spoiled, so I refuse to "ruin" that moment for my friend. Them saying "They don't care" makes one feel more passionate about not spoiling it, because we simply think that they don't know they care. If they watched it we know they would care, and we so desperately want them to watch it. In fact often people will say "I won't spoil it! You'll just have to watch it". They obviously have some interest because they are seeking the spoiler. That friend wants that hidden gem, and the person who has seen the show wants to use that interest to encourage them into watching the show.
@GameMechanic1
9 жыл бұрын
I just don't see why it's so inconvenient to warn of an upcoming spoiler before said spoiler happens. This allows you to discuss it, and allows those who don't want to have that spoiled to look away - if they choose to do so. It's not like that would take an immense amount of effort by whomever is doing the spoiling. The idea of you should avoid all possible avenues of being spoiled is really dumb if you ask me - that's the whole problem with spoilers is that you don't know when and where they will be so they are by nature unavoidable. Someone who properly warns of spoilers wont be spoiling anything.
@lesliefoundhergrail
10 жыл бұрын
Blinkpopshift glitch!!!
@auparis
10 жыл бұрын
You're all over the comments on the videos I watch ALWAYS, LESLIE!
@HeyItsAlyssa94
10 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for River Song to say "Spoilers" but that didn't happen :(
@MariaVosa
10 жыл бұрын
Me too! Spoil fail Sweetie!
@GuzTheChocolateMoose
10 жыл бұрын
Spoiler alert: River Song says "Spoilers"
@BLACKGEAR026
10 жыл бұрын
Hey, I’m one of those spoiler loving people and this is for one main reason: I have an extremely high level of empathy. This means when I am watching or reading I literally feel what the characters feel as well as my own reactions, and this can be overwhelming to say the least. So when something I invest time and emotion into ends badly, or a character I love dies, etc., I tend to feel a lot of distress and can very easily sink into a depressive state e.g. Iron man 3. I also feel a lot of anxiety when I am thinking of all the possibilities while experiencing something so spoilers like “it ends well”, “it all turns out okay”, “this character dies” really helps calm me and even help me avoid forming a strong emotional connection to a character I shouldn’t. Another point Is that I will often turn to the end of a book and read it, then continue reading the book because to me it is not necessarily the end that is important but the journey. I like finding out WHY something happens rather that the actual something. I will often reread things (like Homestuck 5x so far) just to rediscover new links and connections I might have missed during the first read. I hope that gives you an interesting point of view and thank you for the awesome video.
@docpepperclassic
10 жыл бұрын
It warmed my heart when you decided to use blinkpopshift's editing aesthetic during her interview. That was really cool.
@MomochiZabuzaSama
10 жыл бұрын
I think the concept of spoilers in regards to TV shows is a bit of an immature concept. For example *SPOILERS* I am up to date with Game of Thrones, I've read all the books multiple times, so when the end of season 4 was approaching I new that Oberyn Martell would die, and yet even though I was armed with that knowledge I was still in complete shock when he did die because of how it was executed. I guess the point im trying to make is that knowing what happens isnt the big thing, knowing HOW it happens is, and unless the person spoiling it for you is a master of descriptive speech, they'll never quite be able to spoil how it happens.
@MomochiZabuzaSama
10 жыл бұрын
And yes I do realise its ironic that I would say spoilers is immature but then put a spoiler warning in my statement, but thats more common courtesy than anything else
@SiLenNtNote
10 жыл бұрын
Zabuza Momochi Ironic or not, you're being courteous to others, and avoiding angry replies at the same time. What you did makes complete sense. :D
@VandreBorba
10 жыл бұрын
But... if someone have said to you how he died? (I don`t watch game of thrones, but... anyway...)
@MomochiZabuzaSama
10 жыл бұрын
Vandré Borba Trevisan Ferreira Even if someone said how he died, seeing it is a completely different story, its an ineffable experience that mere words cant describe
@Haldered
10 жыл бұрын
Zabuza Momochi Although I have a different preference, I totally respect yours because you warned for spoilers. That is all that we want and deserve, common courtesy and respect when it comes to our differing views on spoilers.
@RBuckminsterFuller
10 жыл бұрын
Dumbledore kills Snape.
@LinkLoverRinku
10 жыл бұрын
its 2014 why isnt there a way to un-know spoilers yet
@kennyNabox
10 жыл бұрын
I love this show soooo much. Seriously. And I totally agree that having a piece of media spoiled first makes consuming said media more enjoyable. Reading and talking about media helps me understand it better. I'm much more likely to get some of the references and inside jokes the first time around if I have a general idea of how the story goes. I'm almost always open to spoilers when it's something I don't think I'll read/watch/listen to, but I usually feel wayy guilty if I read ahead on something I'm really into already. I love reading/watching/listening to a thing for the first time and not knowing what's going to happen. Experiencing a story along with the characters is sometimes more fun than knowing the outcome the whole time. The silly thing is, I usually start off not caring too much about x show that my friend is telling me about until I watch it. So I'm all like, 'bring on the spoilers.' Because I want to know what it's about if I'm not going to watch it ever. And then I end up watching it and really liking it because it sounds cool, but I know the ending already. This is a strange catch 22 for me, but it does give me a more complete understanding of x show. Like studying before a lecture or something. I may actually try to seek out spoilers now because of this episode! Thanks! But there's nothing like going to a movie knowing nothing about it. My expectations are so low at that point that I have a super memorable experience every time, regardless of how good the movie is. Btw, I'm going to New York in August and I'm way excited. I've never been before and it seems pretty cool! (you guys being there and all)
@Moonthroughtheglass
10 жыл бұрын
An interesting phenomenon I have encountered is if I don't tell a person I haven't experienced some media, and tell them I haven't seen it after we have discussed they seem almost betrayed that they didn't have the opportunity to hold back the spoilers. Almost that they relish the feeling of holding that information until I've earned it or something.
@aldiprospero992
10 жыл бұрын
I make up fake spoilers What would you call that?
@NekoMouser
10 жыл бұрын
I've been guilty of spreading fake GOT rumors just to watch the fireworks. I think people got more mad that the spoiler I provided was inaccurate than the fact I provided a spoiler at all...
@ExtraCheese94
10 жыл бұрын
SPOILERS You have really tiny ears :)
@DanielOmega23
10 жыл бұрын
I cannot unsee
@ExtraCheese94
10 жыл бұрын
*smashing sound*
@MarquisdeL3
10 жыл бұрын
It's really about being considerate. My rule is that in the real world, if I want to talk about something beyond its set-up or concept, I ask the people I'm talking with firstly, if they're up to date, then if they aren't I ask them if they're okay with spoilers. I also do this with shows people haven't watched (because with Netflix, etc. they could start watching it tomorrow). And people's preferences can vary from show to show. For instance, my sister was fine with me spoiling bits of Transformers Prime for her, but we would have both been furious if anyone had spoiled the first four seasons of Dexter.
@SavvyAri1989
10 жыл бұрын
The concept of spoiling goes beyond just movies, books and tv. It also extends to sports. If I go on social media the morning of a Formula 1 race I'll see the results. What's worse is when my fiancé knows that I know. I don't have to say a thing to him and he gets rattled by it. I think you're right spoilers depend on you and your audience. I still haven't watched your episode on Breaking Bad because I haven't finished it yet. (I know, I know, I'm slow but I've avoided finding out how it ends for this long, now it's almost a game to see how long I can keep it up.) Keep up the great work Idea Channel.
@SuperGraveman
10 жыл бұрын
huge spoiler alert we are all going to die before turning 100 yers old
@MusikCassette
10 жыл бұрын
no
@SuperGraveman
10 жыл бұрын
now go enjoy the rest of your life
@Minstorm34
10 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna be immortal just to prove you wrong
@aljowen
10 жыл бұрын
Well... Im going to use 180,000 as the average number of views on an idea channel video. This is assuming each view is unique and 1 physical viewer per view. Im going to go with 0.001% of people live to 100. There are way to many statistics on this matter and they vary very wildly, i have even double digits reported by the guardian after a quick Google so i am going to go by the lowest value because it still proves the point nicely. If i do 180000*0.001 i get 180 as the answer. So statistically there should be quiet a lot of people who view this video that make it past 100 years old. Ranging from hundreds of people to thousands depending on who you want to get your stats from. You also have to remember that the average lifespan tends to be on the increase, so if you are quiet young you may have an even higher chance. So i would have to disagree with you.
@PianoMastR64
10 жыл бұрын
How are you so sure? Just imagine what the mortality rate will be 50 years from now with the current trends of advancing technology. I wouldn't be surprised of I will die at around 500. I'm serious about this too.
@ZontarDow
10 жыл бұрын
If something is ruined because of a spoiler, it means it has no value for repeat viewing and speaks poorly of the work in question.
@Dachusblot
10 жыл бұрын
I disagree. It's like they said in this video, you only get one "virgin" experience with a piece of media. *That's* what gets ruined with spoilers, not the work itself. For example, (to pick something I think pretty much everyone's seen) I've seen The Lion King a million times and I love it each time I watch it. But I don't even remember the first time I watched it, and that kinda makes me sad because I do wonder what it would be like to watch it for once without knowing what was coming. So, if I had never seen it and someone told me *SPOILER* Mufasa dies, I'd be mad. Yes, I'd still be able to appreciate the movie the same way I do now, but I'd never get the opportunity to experience it *without* knowing what was coming. I'd feel that I was robbed of a potential emotional experience that I can literally never have again, unless I got a lobotomy or something. The way I see it, with a well-made piece of storytelling, there are 2 different emotional experiences you can get out of it: the Newbie Experience, when you don't know what's coming and you get to feel emotions like surprise, suspense, etc., and get to try to predict what's coming; and the Veteran Experience, when your familiarity with the story allows you to appreciate it on a whole different level, admiring the finer details, the foreshadowing, the character development, etc. Some stories are only worthwhile for the Newbie Experience and don't have anything to offer beyond that, and those are the ones that have no value for repeat viewings (which, for the record, I don't think qualifies them as _bad_ stories either). But there's no type of story that is good for Veteran Experience and has nothing to offer in the way of Newbie Experience. So when somebody spoils something for you, you may still be able to enjoy it in the Veteran-sense, but you've been robbed of the chance to ever experience it in the Newbie-sense. Which is kind of a shame. Although, obviously, some people don't really care about that, possibly because their enjoyment of stories usually comes more from the Veteran-Experience anyway. (And, yeah, I'd say that's usually the more fulfilling type of enjoyment in the long run).
@LeonardMeltsner
10 жыл бұрын
I agree with Dachusblot. You only get one virgin experience. There are two emotional paths to take in a story, and they both have huge merit and interest. You get to learn about things and put the pieces together and have the surprise and emotional climax only once. In all subsequent re-viewings or readings, you get to unwrap the intricate layers of foreshadowing and nestled implications. The second is a much longer and perhaps richer experience, but spoilers completely rob us of the first one, which is still very important in and of itself.
@Loafy23
10 жыл бұрын
Dachusblot Very well put. Certain genres of movies exemplify the newbie experience. Horror movies where the scares and such are shock based ie: jump scares and the like. Once you know they're coming you never jump the same way or have that same rush of adrenaline. This is true of of very linear games as well. It's always going to happen the same way and although you might enjoy the game enough to play it multiple times it's never the same as the first time you played it.
@brony4869
10 жыл бұрын
Dachusblot That is basically what I would have commented but yours is better written
@Dachusblot
10 жыл бұрын
Sarkazmo Loafy Horror movies are actually a really good example of stories whose value is usually just for the Newbie Experience and that's it, but that also doesn't make them _bad_. (I mean, yes, there are lots of bad horror movies, but they obviously don't have to be). Glad you mentioned that! What's interesting is that those types of movies can have a totally different kind of replay value, like if you watch them alongside someone who's never seen them before. Then you know what's coming and the other person doesn't, so you get to anticipate all their reactions. So... basically a vicarious Newbie Experience? In which case spoiling the other person would actually ruin the experience for _you_ too. Hm!
@ChaingunCassidy
10 жыл бұрын
My rule is if you're too damn lazy to read the book or watch it in due time you deserve to have it spoiled. Why should I censor my conversation just because some slow person hasn't seen or read what I want to talk about? Don't hate the player hate the game, if you want to avoid spoilers, keep up to date.
@DG0398
10 жыл бұрын
Not everyone can...
@notsally
10 жыл бұрын
That's idiotic and simplistic. I live in Argentina, yet have an Internet connection. I hate spoilers, yet the world, and more importantly, the market behaves in mysterious ways, so books, and shows and movies you can enjoy now, I might not get to enjoy until, say, next week. Next month.. NEXT YEAR. Yet I will be able to talk to you about them RIGHT NOW, so if I want to remain un-spoiled, I should either go live in a cave, with no Internet or any kind of social media content, or move to wherever a new book or movie or show is premiering so I don't miss it due to "laziness". I guess you can see that I'm trying to tell you your view in entitled, and you could use some tact when dealing with fellow fans.
@TheSH1N1GAM1
10 жыл бұрын
If you are completely unsympathetic to anyone else's desires or unable to comprehend that some people have work schedules that prevent them from watching everything they are interested in as it airs, then all arguments against you are pointless.
@ChaingunCassidy
10 жыл бұрын
notsally Then accept your position that you can't stay ahead of the pack.
@ChaingunCassidy
10 жыл бұрын
TheSH1N1GAM1 All arguments against me are pointless because you have nothing against me, you really expect me to not talk about Game of Thrones when the last book came out 3 years ago?
@dvklaveren
10 жыл бұрын
There is an actually very interesting thing going on in the Legend of Korra fandom. The first four episodes were released in Spanish before the release. So, a lot of people just immediately watched those episodes and the fanpages on facebook exploded with news about these episodes. I, as a fanpage manager, was, for the first time, confronted with a situation where the Venn-diagram of being part of a fandom and protection from spoilers was not a complete circle; where I had to stop managing my fanpage in favour of watching the episodes. This was a very unique situation, where me and the other manager of my fanpage as well as other, collaborative fanpages had to reach an agreement to adopt a zero-tolerancy towards spoilers. It has happened before that an episode was leaked and we decided that we would tolerate the spoilers, because, the episode was leaked from a convention and thus it was the 'original release'. But because the spanish episodes were leaked outside of the 'original release', we had to stop the presses and put down people who wanted to talk about the thing they love. It was a unique and very misfortunate situation, but the situation provides a very interesting insight in the guidelines for spoilers. ~Pretender, The Unspoilt One
@ToMuchNeverEnuf
10 жыл бұрын
Great Video! I think one key part of the unwritten "Spoiler Rules" of the internet is the fact there there is (or very much should be) an expiration date on when you have to preface something with "spoiler" or even consider the media "spoiled" at that point. For instance, you make the reference to the sixth seance and even harry potter "spoilers" in your video. You jokingly cut off the Harry Potter spoiler but we all (any who cares about the franchise at least) knew what you were eluding to. I feel that is true for all media. I would say it could be as short as one year after it has been released or maybe a couple of years. The fact still remains that if I were to start talking about spoilers in Firefly I don't feel like I have to make the warning. It has existed long enough that it can no longer "spoil" but may instead have fermented into a fine wine that you already have drank, or never plan to open.
@featheredskyblue
10 жыл бұрын
I find that most of the spoiler-y things that I discuss with friends and family get covered with the phrase "the thing" because I have found that most major spoilers are sort of... understood when discussing a work. When I ask a friend (or my cousins) if they have reached "the thing" or "that one part" or "that one scene," there is a level of understanding among people who have consumed the media but not among those who have not. That way I don't spoil it for people who haven't reached "the thing," except that there is one part that is significant.
@bryanelliott2107
9 жыл бұрын
@0:57 Yes, I agree; not having to concentrate entirely on the primary plot (and the anticipation thereof) lets me take in more side activities - I can get the first _and_ second viewing experience at the same time. It's for this reason I flat out _love_ spoilers.
@leemurdock5222
10 жыл бұрын
I really like the idea that we are responsible for our own spoiler protection....we should not making others stop the discussion, we should walk away. If we don't want to walk away, then we should have stayed with the herd and watched it when everyone else did. The crowd shouldn't alter their behavior because I prioritized my time differently. I have not read Fault in my Stars, I love John Green, but it is my job to not click on videos related to the movie. I made the choice to wait, I must pay the consequence for that choice. Responsibility lies with the person who didn't watch.
@DzzO
10 жыл бұрын
For me it is like, if you like something so much that you would care about getting it spoiled, it becomes your obligation to binge watch it was much as possible and get up to date. Avoid social media and stuff like that before you are caught up. Otherwise it is the same as taping a world cup game instead of watching it and then getting mad when people start to celebrate. It is your obligation to be up to date! The people that are excited enough to consume something as soon as it is out, will excitedly want to comment and talk about it on the internet....
@GiddyGarlos
10 жыл бұрын
I usually don't like spoilers, but it depends completely on the show/book/media in question. For instance, I know how Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood ends, despite only having seen the first episode and a half of the whole show, but for some reason, unlike almost every other spoilery thing I've come across for other media, this has made me even more excited to eventually watch the whole show. Also, I regularly meet with my local group of Nerdfighters on my campus to discus nerdy things, such as Sherlock, Doctor Who, Lord of the Rings, etc. Every week, we have a presentation on such a thing (I personally did the presentation on Sherlock) explaining why we like it, and trying to convince others that they should watch/read/etc. it. It's very fun, but the reason I bring it up is because, typically, we have a Spoiler Room meeting afterwards, where people who are caught up with the book/TV show/ etc. can discuss it more fully in a separate room from those who haven't.
@Julia-tj6ss
10 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with the idea that spoilers can enhance an experience of watching something for the first time-not only because you reflect on the interconnectivity of events but also because truly great media will make you forget what you already know in the moment. I personally have a nasty habit of spoiling things for myself by pointing out tropes or picking up on clues within books, movies, etc that allow me to guess the ending...and then announcing them while consuming said media (which has led to some awkward movie theater moments with a date or 2.) However, before watching Serenity for the first time my brother vaguely told me that 2 characters would die, and he said they were his 2 favorite characters. Knowing this fact, I watched as W*** landed the ship and was so elated by the escape I declared "He is definitely my favorite!" At which point, the unthinkable happened-this moment not only shocked me, but it made me feel almost responsible for his death. I liked he character too much, and thus made my brother's words a self-fulfilling prophecy. Truly great, shocking, "spoiler-worthy" moments are like this in that they are effective because of the mode of telling, not the knowledge itself. If knowledge of events were the only gain, then no one would ever re-read or re-watch anything.
@maxeuker2949
10 жыл бұрын
I feel that the non-time block based media (youtube, TiVo, etc.) decreases spoilers. When I used to watch TV, I knew that if the climax didn't come yet and it's 7:55PM, that something major will happen in the next few minutes since the show's about to end. (To a lesser extent you can get a feel for the standard acts broken by commercial breaks, like how the middle section of the Treehouse of Horrors is always the worst). When we decouple media from rigid time blocks, I find it much more enjoyable since you are caught by surprise more often. This is especially true with user created media, because it could be a minute or it could be 3 hours and I don't need to check if I don't want to.
@brandaluna
10 жыл бұрын
I'm on the Emily end of the spectrum of spoilers for myself. I don't really even consider anything as a spoiler because I know that it's not going to spoil my experience. Many of the things I now love became known to me because of "spoilers" on Tumblr and KZitem. My thoughts on spoilers for other people are pretty simple and go along with what Leslie said in this video. I'm usually in the minority when it comes to my love of spoilers, so I try to be aware of what the people around me think of them and act accordingly. I do, however, have spoiler bans in place for a couple of acquaintances because I've been burned by them when they've begged for a spoiler and then later were upset that I'd "ruined" it for them. People need to be a little self-aware about how they really feel about spoilers before jumping into spoiler city.
@ViceDellos
10 жыл бұрын
I so agree with the "first time" argument. Personally I love rewatching or reading things and I often do enjoy something more the second time, but I think that comes from knowing everything that's going to happen and see how it's all set up. with spoilers you only get snippets of information and so much is left out that I dont think it makes it any more enjoyable. being spoiled can enhace your experience, but only if you have been spoiled enough. knowing a little makes it only worse. In highschool when we had to read books and they often weren't books I liked, but the ones we had reviewe in class extensievely, talked about all the motives and what it was the writer was trying to say, thoese books seemed a lot better. So i think you shoudl read or watch something either unspoiled or with an almost complete understanding, anything inbetween is a lot less fun
@TheDragonCat99
9 жыл бұрын
You see, I refuse to share spoilers with my friend even though she wants them. I don't do it because of an inner feeling that it's wrong, but because the WAY that things happen and are revealed in the show are far more suspenseful and exciting. They build up to a reveal. Sure, you know the same things if it's just told to you, and you can even directly describe the situation, but it can't compare to experiencing it first hand. It wouldn't be fun if they had a show where they just told you the most important points without the build up. Before you say that this is all well and fine, but that I should still tell my friend since she wants to know, I'll tell you this: I experimented. I took two equally exciting episodes with big reveals, and told her spoilers for one and didn't for the other. She enjoyed learning what was revealed from the one I didn't spoil way more than hearing me say it. (She said so herself) I've done this a few times and it's always the same.
@KDDenman
10 жыл бұрын
Before I ever get into conversation that might contain spoilers I think it is polite to ask where everybody else in the room is with said media. Then what their desire on the spoils are. I enjoy talking to people about what is going on in a show if they are behind me. I love asking about what they think is going to happen next and discussing what is going on currently and recounting about the old shows with them.
@JacobGforce
10 жыл бұрын
I personally hate spoilers for just about anything. But besides just enjoying the revelations as they come to me, I also love seeing first reactions on youtube through blind commentaries, let's plays, etc. Call me crazy but I can't get enough of those authentic, sometimes obnoxious outbursts of shock or laughter from being completely caught off guard. I'm working on making my own blind let's plays, and if someone would give away something significant for me in a video game then I couldn't give my viewers the same reaction I'd like to give and have (which is often overreacting... I can't help it). While I see how you could enjoy something more already knowing its secrets, I'd prefer to go back to it a second time for a different experience like you talked about in the Braking Bad episode. I always savor every bit of a first time viewing/reading/playing and analyze more the second. So, yes, I'm the kind of person who'll sometimes plugs his ears and makes random noises like any mature adult would to avoid the smallest detail. Oh, and do you know when you'll do that episode about furries? I don't think I would call myself a furry but I'm interested to hear what you guys will have to say on the matter. Why do some people love to anthropomorphize everything and why have they been doing it for centuries? Thanks.
@romanovangenderen4615
10 жыл бұрын
I think knowing how a story will end gives you a new insight in the story. It is common for a writer to give small hints to the ending in the beginning stages of the story or draw parallels between events in the beginning of the story. I am especially fond of the so-called "incomplete spoiler", the fact that someone spoils what happens, but doesn't say when it happens. If the writer is a master of storytelling and pacing, this event, even though you knew it would happen, still surprises you.
@ignismare
10 жыл бұрын
Me and friends usually try not to spoil things for each other, but there's a specific exception to that rule. If some of us don't want to take part in the specific experience (watch a series, read a book, play a game etc), while the others want to make a conversation about the selected media, we give the non-spectators a short explanation about the world, the characters etc. And it's a pretty sweet deal. If the conversation makes them want to partake in the media, hooray, we created another fan, cool, the spoiler was actually a good thing. If not, they lost absolutely nothing, it won't affect absolutely anything about their lives. And hey, they can now take part in a conversation otherwise filled with things they don't understand, where normally they would be completely excluded. And as a non-viewer/reader/etc they may give different, interesting points of view. So it's pretty much a win-win for everyone.
@kevinfox298
10 жыл бұрын
Honestly? I don't mind being spoiled. As an enjoyer of storytelling, I love to experience the firsthand journey to the destination whether I know what the destination is or not. The first episode of Game of Thrones I watched was season 4 episode 2 - yes, the Purple Wedding - but I still enjoyed watching the series from season 1. Even though I knew what was going to happen to this character or that, the journey to it was still mindblowingly amazing.
@KyikoKyubii
10 жыл бұрын
This is why I always watch things multiple times. The first time for the surprise when something happens and to gather the over all tone of the story and then all the times after that are for the narrative. That way you get the best of both worlds.
@cototheyounger8831
10 жыл бұрын
Someone needs to post "Careful with spoilers" on every public place.
@maywenearedhel
10 жыл бұрын
Another point to consider would be the position of trailers and blurbs in movies and books. At what point do these become spoilers? After all, trailers and blurbs are important in the movie/book's promotion, but I have come across trailers and blurbs that have initially spoiled the movie/book in part or whole for me and others. It's not very common as for the most part, these things bear little context until you come across it in the book/movie, but it still has bearing on the experience as a whole. Even as a writer, I struggle with this whenever I explain my books to someone. How much do I reveal about the plot in order to grab their attention without ruining the reading experience for them? Do I state that suchandsuch happened to soandso, or do I let them discover that themselves? Yet, I know that if I don't explain enough, they may lose interest. It is a very fine line.
@cantbeleveitsnotnaru
10 жыл бұрын
I have always been a huge fan of spoilers. For me, knowing what happens has always made me more excited to watch/read/experience how those events are brought about. I often read the last few pages of a book, taking note of the characters and some of the relationships; I would then look forward to how/why those things happened!! None of my friends understood and often would refuse to tell me spoilers!! They would then complain that I wasn't watching a series fast enough or at all, but for me I had no investment in the future of the series and only took it as it was coming. Also talking about spoilers does not take away the "virgin" experience!! I'm often surprised at events and we immediately have discussions about why such and such a character did such a thing/ had that thing happen to them!
@JoelBonasera
10 жыл бұрын
During the conversation bits about [paraphrase] freeing up brainspace to enjoy the story by knowing what's coming [/paraphrase] I was pretty locked in. I think it's a pretty universal experience to watch a movie for the 2nd/3rd/100th time and notice details or dialogue points that were missed before while you tried to sort this whole thing out. My parents are notorious for being quite overt about this, repeatedly asking questions about WTF just happened during pretty much every screening of every piece of media ever.
@Trigonography
10 жыл бұрын
With regards to why spoilers may be enjoyable: it's not about knowing in advance who dies or gets put on a bus or whatever; it's about watching it happen, seeing how the artists execute their ideas, what works, what doesn't, and why. It's why I can re-watch episodes of "Star Trek" or "The A-Team" without being bored; there's always something I hadn't noticed before, like an actor trying not to laugh or places where they forgot to crop out the stunt double's face. It's why I can read "The Thirteenth Tale" or "How Much for Just the Planet?" a million times. There's always something, some clever turn of phrase or grammatically questionable sentence that I hadn't noticed before, and knowing the major points doesn't make the little details any less enjoyable. It's the difference between seeing a print of a painting and seeing the painting in person; details get lost in the print, marks of the artist's efforts, their successes and failures. Or, to put it another way: it's not about the destination, it's about the journey. That said, I find that it's easier to just not discuss popular shows/games/whatever in public, even if I desperately want to analyze it with someone. It's just a matter of courtesy, like talking about your ulcers or your cat's latest pooping habits; yeah, your close friends may be concerned, amused, or otherwise interested in hearing it, but it's just not polite to discuss those things in mixed company!
@QueenTessenceII
10 жыл бұрын
FIRST TIME TO COMMENT WOO BUT A FAN OF THE SHOW FOR SEVERAL MONTHS NOW and hence I noticed that the graphics/effects improved at this episode. Good job. There was a weird kink in the middle of the video though during the interview, but I am not sure if that was intentional. \begin{commentaboutep} I am sensitive about spoilers and I try not to spoil things (and even if the person asks a spoiler or so, I usually ask many times if the person really want spoilers and in the end just drop vague hints and not spoil everything for him)... but for me, my tolerance for spoilers depends on the emotions I invested for the character/series. (SPOILER ALERT FOR GOT) For example, I haven't read GoT books so after the "mind-blowing" outcome of Oberyn vs Gregor match, I googled if Tyrion would die afterwards - at that point, I really didn't mind being spoiled about GoT. And browsing through the search results, I was spoiled about the death of Tywin and Shae, which actually made the experience of watching them die much better. Knowing beforehand that Tyrion would somehow get some ounce of justice in G.R.R. Martin's world made me enjoy more the last episode of season 4. Otherwise, I'd probably be too shocked to enjoy it. After that, I returned to my spoiler-sensitive state. \end{commentaboutep} :))
@tjvonp
10 жыл бұрын
My most enraging experience with spoilers: In high school, I was reading the Dune trilogy.* One day as I was riding home on the bus, a person noticed my book and excitedly sat down next to me. He wanted to talk about Dune. He said there was a movie and that it was great. He asked where I was in the story. He then asked whether I minded him spoiling "something awesome" that happens late in the movies. I told him I did mind. He then said he didn't care and started sharing the event. I don't know what I would do if this happened to me know, but as a high schooler I just covered my ears and hummed, thinking that he'd stop when he realized I wasn't listening. He kept talking for several minutes. The takeaway: Sometimes person A spoils things for person B not so B will get enjoyment from the story, but so that A can enjoy being the storyteller. *I know there are more books associated with Dune, but those three were the only ones I was interested in.
@VoodooRyder
10 жыл бұрын
I fully agree with the idea that saying ''Spoiler Alert'' gives everybody a chance to clarify their 'status' as you called it. Regarding if there are any rules, I think there is only one: Before spoiling something you should warn everyone (like saying 'Spoiler Alert'). Following this rule, I've seen a lot of people want different things to be spoiled for them e.g. Some people ask if the show was good or not, while others want to know if there is a lot of gore in the next (observing my friends), while others just want a hint as to what happens. This could mean everybody watches a show for a different reasons e.g. the plot, the action/gore (for me, I don't like it if people spoil the twist, i don't mind getting the rest spoiled, while others don't want a thing). While I agree that spoiling may be a good thing, you should ask the person first what they want spoiled to sooth the other person's needs. Just an idea!
@Kumbaya6991
6 жыл бұрын
When mike says "buy a new grandma", it immediately reminded me of black mirror's "be right back".
@lunaproductions13
10 жыл бұрын
7:32 I fangirled so much when I saw that. Dan, Jack & Finn all together. That was one of my favourite JacksGap videos.
@ElloMyNamesSami
10 жыл бұрын
Its personal preference, on welcoming or denying any spoilers. I've had hinting spoilers which makes me want to watch or read whatever ASAP. Though even though I lean more towards welcoming spoilers, I've had instances where I've wished that I didn't bug my friend(s) to spoil something for me. It's sometimes a gamble between having spoiler(s) bring an extra level of enjoyment or killing any chance of excitement towards the piece of media. For me, when it comes to books I LOVE to read the ending of a book before I even look at the beginning. I have ever since I was little. It bugs the hell out of everyone I know who sees me do this. It makes the book feel more like a mystery, because sometimes the ending will make no sense and I'll end up really getting lost in the work. There's a huge reward for me when I get to the end and it all comes together! Sometimes if its a series I'll read the last book [reading the last page first] and end on the first book. Did this with harry potter, for me it gave it more of a lasting impact on me. I've done this with Fringe and knowing the ending, it makes me kinda feel like a detective lol. Again Just me... lol
@lioraselby5328
10 жыл бұрын
I'll say that I'm in the middle on this. I've been spoiled so much on Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones that I know a basic concept of what's happening - however, I still want to watch those shows once they're next in my bingewatching queue. I want to watch them because, in my opinion, a truly good show (or any piece of media) is (to use the cliche travel metaphor) more about the journey itself than the destination. You mentioned a paper published in the Journal of Graphic Novels and Comics, which said that spoilers can improve one's appreciation for a work. I'd say that is an analysis that is more reserved for print comics. Once you turn the page, even though you read right to left, you're still aware of what comes next as you read (on the right page) what progresses to it (on the left page). I won't say that spoilers will improve /every single/ piece of media because that finding might just be something incredibly specific to print-and-paper comics.
@SmileySnowflake
10 жыл бұрын
I haaaate spoilers, haha - yup, I'm THAT person who puts their fingers in the ears and goes "LALALA" just to avoid hearing even a minor detail about something... and my friends have started to tease me with this, pretending to spoil things just to make fun of me... it's driving me insane! Haha. Enjoyed the video :)
@KrowzerOfLight
10 жыл бұрын
This is a very neat thought; I'd say in public it's your job (the person who doesn't know) to make sure you keep your self away from spoilers, like back when people would come out of movies talking about it and you were in line to go see this movie so you had to cover your ears in hope you wouldn't hear any spoilers. With friends I say it should work like anything of your friends, you ask first before doing something, I should ask my friend is they have seen this thing, how far are they and if they want to hear about some spoilers and maybe even what level of spoilers it is, info about what Jane protagonist will do is different then telling someone who that shadow person who seems to run EVERYTHING is. Online I like what I have seen from Doctor who people on Tumblr, I see that they use a waiting period before exploding onto the internet about the resent episode, but that is a grace not a rule, you shouldn't expect people to hold back on talking about the new book/shows they saw, especially on things like blogs where people post their personal feelings and thoughts. Also with things that are over a year old, I say all bets are off. If you can or have kept yourself spoiler free for a whole year then good job, but you could of just watched the thing you were trying to avoid. If something is really old then it most likely has falling into the realm of people thinking it to be common knowledge and you can't get angry at someone when they tell you that Victor dies, the creation is sad about it and kills himself, this information has been available to everyone for 196 years.
@ItaiGreif
10 жыл бұрын
When my friends and I talk about good shows and good book series, even older ones, we always ask about the "spoiler situation" as you described before the conversation advances.
@therealrunesead
10 жыл бұрын
I love to hear spoilers! I am a writer and for me, the joy comes not from knowing WHAT the end result will be, but HOW it comes to be. I have not seen nor read the entirety of the Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire story, but I know all the basic "big beats" of the story. And I did this intentionally. I find joy in seeing WHY the characters die, or betray, or lie, or cheat, etc. It helps me understand each character more deeply when I watch the show/read the book. Plus, I don't have time to "rewatch" shows or movies or games, so I want to know it all in the first viewing. That said, sometimes I wish I had that "virginity" because it will spark my imagination. Therefore, some times I will avoid spoilers (like watching an episode of Castle or playing a TellTale game) so I can try to solve the mystery or put myself in the characters shoes rather than an omnipotent viewer.
@elliottf07
10 жыл бұрын
My friends love to talk about popular shows and media all them time. I don't want to kill the conversation by making it a general knowledge, spoiler-free chat. Typically, my friends will ask me, "Do you mind if I spoil this?" If it's something I am deeply invested in (Arrow, and soon to be Flash & Gotham :D ), then I respond with, "YES, I DO MIND." But if it's something that doesn't interest me or is something I don't have that burning desire to watch (Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad. I know. I'm weird... Don't hate me for it Internet), then I say spoil away! I think it is on the person doing the spoiling to address only the people/person they are talking to about Spoiler Warnings. Friends before Fans. As for the Internet... I know a bunch of Forums have something that has to be clicked on to spoil, but everything else... Good Luck
@thechaosgoblin
10 жыл бұрын
In my family, any discussion of media starts with "Where are you?" and "Do you care [about spoilers]?". If the answer to the second question is "no", the first question is irrelevant. Otherwise, we try to respect their current content state and have actually gotten very good at discussing spoilery topics without actually spoiling things by leveraging context clues to speak in metaphor... kind of like the Darmok episode of Star Trek: TNG episode. We treat it as a challenge/game to create a discussion where those who don't want to be spoiled can still participate and the result is usually an engaging conversation that everyone enjoys. Personally, my feelings about spoilers varies with the subject. I do not like being spoiled for things I'm really passionate about and will aggressively preserve my content state in those cases (e.g., avoiding social media, excusing myself from a conversation). For everything else, while I prefer to avoid spoilers, I don't go out of my way to protect myself.
@BlameTasuki233
10 жыл бұрын
I think whether or not spoilers are good or bad for your enjoyment has a lot to do with why you enjoy experiencing stories. Speaking for myself, I read "to find out what's going to happen." I love mysteries and intrigues, the thrill of trying to unravel the story, that prediction mode you mentioned. I LOVE that! It's why murder mystery is one of my favorite genres. I almost never reread or rewatch things because I already know what's going to happen and I don't enjoy it as much. So, when someone tells me what's going to happen, it completely kills my desire to continue reading or watching that something. BUT, I realize that not everyone feels the same way, so like you said Mike, it should just come down to knowing your friends' preference and respecting that. :)
@Haldered
10 жыл бұрын
You can experience the benefits of knowing the future plot on any subsequent consumption, but there are also benefits to NOT knowing. I'm not a psychologist, but I AM a writer, and I can tell you that many writers and artists work hard to make a compelling first experience. Of course, your enjoyment of art is subjective, but do not drag creators into it, claiming that being spoiled is either superior or morally right. As an artist, I believe enjoyment with or without spoilers is subjective. As a human being, I find it morally wrong to spoil others without their consent, no matter the environment.
@oplu45
10 жыл бұрын
If a spoiler is going to ruin your enjoyment of a piece, then it wasn't a particularly good piece to begin with. The kind of suspense we've become accustomed to is a creation of the weekly installment, making it really good for consumer engagement, but creates a very formulaic and unskilled status quo for all pieces to fall into. Game of Thrones is particularly ridiculous to me because constructing a television show so that people feel they have to tune in each week to see if their favorite character survived, while the final outcome for each character is already established... just, I don't even.
@keephurn1159
10 жыл бұрын
I used to be hardcore "no spoilers" but the energy needed to maintain that state of mind about so many things is hard to maintain. Nowadays, I don't mind spoilers, particularly for movies, TV shows, or books that I'm not invested in. I'm trying to partake that thing and see what it's all about, and spoilage helps me out. Cursory spoilage helps me determine my level of investment; more involved spoilage helps me understand ideas and concepts I might not get without multiple viewings and months of forum discussions. Of course, this attitude may be unsurprising, considering I once read Robert Heinlein's Job: A Comedy of Justice backwards. I started at the last chapter and read the previous one next, to see how the story built up, until I got to the original premise in the beginning. I found it a quite enjoyable experience. I'm one of those accidental spoilers: I try not to spoil something I've just seen, but unconsciously let slip something that gives a huge part away. Now when talking about A Thing, I ask first if they mind, and if so, I choose another topic.
@almostideal1306
10 жыл бұрын
Sometimes what some people can consider a spoiler draws people into the media. I had Orphan Black recommended to me in the past but couldn't really find out what it was about due to spoiler alerts. I accidentally watched the first few minutes of the Idea Channel episode on it and had that initial spoiler made and was immediately intrigued. Having a few secrets revealed makes you want to delve deeper, also, some people find it hard to differentiate between spoiler and synopsis.
@tonysintheattic
10 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the comment bit at the end, you should use that format more often!
@ashtonk3550
10 жыл бұрын
when someone spoils something you don't get the same shock factor or build up because you expected it from the start. Going back to what Dan Hassoun said, just because your able to processes what is leads up to a spoiled event or even understand it better as a result of a spoiler does not mean you'll enjoy it better. For some going back after the shocking events happen to inspect the details is a satisfying experience. It houses the same gratifying feeling as solving a riddle by oneself.
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