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@videosuperhighway7655
2 жыл бұрын
One thing about the 8341 is they are time aligned and phase coherent. So you can listen much closer to them which means the room contributes much less to the sound while working.
@laynehoward2870
3 жыл бұрын
You've made good choices. It's difficult to go wrong with anything Genelec. I've been fortunate to have work with Genelec monitors for over 20 years. As far as being too accurate...they make you work for your desired product. But, in my opinion, that's what studio monitors should do. It's kinda like getting naked in front of someone for the first time: at some point you're going to have to expose the ugly if you want to get to the prize.
@adrianmilea
2 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha!!! I like your comparison. One could advertise Genelecs as "The Naked Truth" :D
@LiveFromPFD
2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! I found your video after taking the giant leap and purchasing two 8320A Genelecs with no sub for my own studio. I agree with all of your Pros. I listen to mine calibrated to my awkwardly small room and am just utterly amazed. These 8320A monitors are embarrassingly tiny on my desk. They honestly look like computer desk speakers from the 2000s - except they weigh a “ton”. But oh my the sound! Just shockingly good. The only thing I can add to your video, is that for the first time I can “hear” how my acoustic treatment helps my sound, which allows me to make improvements. I grabbed old cheap acoustic foam and adding/moving it around my walls and corners. I also moved my acoustic panels around. Each time recalibrating in GLM. Through this process I am able to achieve the flattest response possible in THIS room. I couldn’t be happier with my purchase! Honestly I feel a bit of a fool for not buying these 15 years ago. The cost of monitors I’ve gone through in that time exceeds the cost of these little Genelecs. I have the 8330A speakers coming tomorrow to see if they provide a worthy improvement to the low end. But I already know that purchasing a Genelec sub is on my list. I love your comment that Genelec should add a “Colored” profile option for when we want to listen for entertainment and not work. I hope they do that! So just wanted to say thanks for your video! And to let anyone else watching know that even if you can’t afford the larger or higher end models, don’t pass up the smaller and more affordable (in comparison) models. I honestly think these little Genelecs with calibration are better than anything I’ve purchased less than $1000us/ea monitor. And if in the future I’m fortunate enough to get a pair of the Ones for my studio, I’ll happily put these little Genelecs in my bedroom!
@adrianmilea
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for taking the time and sharing your feedback! It means a lot!!! Congratulation on your investment! Indeed the GLM does wonders and should be always bought together with compatible Genelec Monitors. .... We all have our own paths in life, and frankly, I believe we try to do the best we can, at the moment of taking certain decisions. We get to a certain level, then we discover another and another... This also goes with experimenting with different sets of monitors, as you or I did... We tried different things, and we're (hopefully) evolving... :) ...Wish you all the best and have lots of fun listening to your Genelecs ;)
@thenerdandthebitch6015
3 жыл бұрын
You just nailed it, Adrian. Agree on all points but the “mask the music” button. Except you forgot the key to the stellar imaging: the coaxial driver. I’ve been running 8260’s in a 2.0 / 5.1 setup for 8 years, and their clarity still amazes me. No regrets, except today I’d go with smaller “The Ones” and more smaller subs. Coaxial was only available in the 8260 back then. Get GLM and go AES/EBU !!!
@adrianmilea
3 жыл бұрын
Hey, thank you for stopping by! Indeed their stellar imaging is something else! And thank you for bringing up the coaxial driver! I also studied about the 8260's when I began my quest for mastering monitors, but as I have a small room, I went with 8341s. You are right, you need the GLM and connect them digitally for the best results!
@RJasonKlein
Жыл бұрын
This was the most informative and useful review I’ve seen for these monitors - thank you!
@adrianmilea
Жыл бұрын
My pleasure! I'm glad it was helpful.
@squidcaps4308
3 жыл бұрын
Note, cables do not matter.. Using the "most expensive" is only for your eyes, does not affect sound quality one bit. Living few hundred kilometers from Genelec headquarters they are everywhere. By far the majority of my studio and theater work has been with Genelec monitors. I know, i've been spoiled but having them has offered few benefits that most won't get, mostly about knowing what accuracy means and how important it is while still learning your craft. So many sound engineers are working with poor monitoring for years until they switch, and at that point you have to unlearn things.
@adrianmilea
3 жыл бұрын
You offered some great insights on this very comment. After I got the Genelecs - I discovered that one of my favorite reverbs - was messing with my mixes in a big way. I hope one day I'll visit the Genelec Headquarters :)
@rudakudrnacek3442
3 жыл бұрын
@@adrianmilea Can you share name of this reverb?
@adrianmilea
3 жыл бұрын
@@rudakudrnacek3442 Sorry, I cannot - it would not be fair :)
@thatchinaboi1
3 жыл бұрын
I'm very happy with my 2 coaxial monitor systems. The main one is a Fluid Audio FX50 paired with a Mackie Cr8s sealed Subwoofer setup as a nearfield. The second coaxial system is a midfield for my TV and couch listening. I use 2 sets of JBL 104s coaxial monitors paired with a Yamaha ported subwoofer. I have 1 set right below my TV tilted upwards on the extreme ends of the TV stand, which the subwoofer is placed in the middle of. The 2nd set of 104s are placed on speaker stands and at a 22 degree positioning with a tiny bit of tow in. I can't be happier with the results. The imaging, wide sweet spot, and off axiz response is incredible on all well designed coaxial speakers.
@adrianmilea
3 жыл бұрын
That's great, as long as you're happy with your system!
@KetogenicGuitars
2 жыл бұрын
Notes on subs are important. Most important use for them is to reveal hidden rumble and 50hz EU and 60hz US mains noise at some point of production cycle. These can also be visually verified (and should) in audio wave software. But then there is the easy listening productivity component which just supports accurate bass in mastering and mixing. My composition consist of 1 subwoofer cut at 50hz and 2*15 inch mid basses cut at 320hz which is close to industrial standard. When active high end 4" coaxials are added ( and appropriately cut ) to such bottom you get best of many worlds.
@adrianmilea
2 жыл бұрын
You have a nice setup! Agree, subs do help and make the life of an audio producer much easier, if set correctly!
@3MSJbKe3WqY8PeZN
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the review! I would like to recommend duplicate your settings and try the “sound character profiler“ in GLM for some artificial colouration. I use that function to tweak the bass response of my 8330s and am having good results with that. Hope this helps! Sadly there are so less people that mentioned digital connection ensures the best quality since the signal won't be converted twice…
@adrianmilea
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip! Indeed, the digital connection makes a difference!
@allenglishknives6823
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent review, thanks 👍🏻
@adrianmilea
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@hamooddyy
2 жыл бұрын
How did you connect them digitally and wat audio interface do you use?
@HardInstruction
10 ай бұрын
Hey man! Thanks for your review. What audio interface do you use that u can directly connect AES?
@adrianmilea
8 ай бұрын
You're very welcome! :) I'm using Avid HD Omni.
@cvanstaden1980
Жыл бұрын
Hi Adrian, thank you for the great review. I'm about to buy the same setup and your review helped push me over the edge (and my budget). Do you mind letting me know what cable you used to connect them digitally to your interface and how you route the cabling - interface to sub, and sub to speakers or some other way?
@cvanstaden1980
Жыл бұрын
Also, I like those speaker stands you use? Which ones are they?
@adrianmilea
Жыл бұрын
Hey, thank you for your feedback! I'm using this: Hosa Technology AES/EBU Snake - DB25 Connector to 4x XLR3M and 4x XLR3F - 9.8' (3m) and Mogami calbles.
@tk-zh3dd
3 жыл бұрын
Great review, thanks for the super helpful info!
@adrianmilea
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'm glad I could help ;)
@kristerjansson6885
Жыл бұрын
Have you had any help from the GLM report, that users now can generate with the GLM software? I guess the Genelec support has solved most of those issues.
@adrianmilea
Жыл бұрын
Yes, it helped in better placing my monitors in my small room.
@geong
3 жыл бұрын
Hello, I'm choosing between PSI Audio A17m and Genelec the ones 8331. Have you tried PSI monitor before as well? Thanks
@adrianmilea
3 жыл бұрын
I didn't try them. Neither the Genelecs. I just knew that I have to buy a pair of "The Ones". Luckily I am not disappointed :)
@jackc8120
3 жыл бұрын
@Adrian Milea this is exactly the same setup I am getting next month because of my weird shaped room, I have a quick question. I am struggling with the sub placement, where did you place yours? and how did you determine the location of the sub? I am very very limited in terms where it can go because of my super tiny studio. your help is appreciated. Thank you
@adrianmilea
3 жыл бұрын
@Jack C. Congratulations!!! To answer your question, this room is very small, so I had to make some compromises and put the subwoofer in the center of the room, under the desk. This is not ideal... One of the recommendations I saw was - if you have only one sub - put it on the right of the right speaker, or on the Left of the Left Speaker. So, I guess, it depends on your available space. The cool part is that, if you got the Genelec calibration kit, it will take care of your room correction!
@ndavies8
3 жыл бұрын
No surprises. There is Genelec, and then there is everything else. I own the 8340s and 7360A. The stereo imaging is shockingly realistic. I refuse to mix on other monitors. For now.
@adrianmilea
3 жыл бұрын
I love them too. For now :D What made you choose Genelec?
@hamooddyy
2 жыл бұрын
How did you connect them digitally bro? What audio interface do you use ?
@adrianmilea
2 жыл бұрын
Went from the Audio Interface > Sub > Right Monitor > Left Monitor Changed on the Digital A on a monitor and the other - Digital B. I have an Avid HD Omni.
@acrylicrecording
Жыл бұрын
Great review! Thanks so much!
@adrianmilea
11 ай бұрын
You're welcome!!!!!
@Creative.B
Жыл бұрын
What exactly did you mean by when you connected your monitors through AES 'the sound got to another level of clarity and accuracy'? I'm planning on buying the 8320A as overheads for a dolby atmos setup and this model doesn't come with a digital input. Would that mean I'd get a lower quality in sound compared to the 8341A I already have?
@adrianmilea
Жыл бұрын
From my experience and my tests, Genelecs sound cleaner when connected digitally.
@vladimirbesmusic6899
2 жыл бұрын
I have Neumann KH120, but i dream of this monitors)
@adrianmilea
2 жыл бұрын
I heard very good things about Neumann KH120! It all began with dream in my case also!
@Fastguy335i
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review man really useful. Could you use the 8341s closer and in a smaller room? I have about 85cm listening distance and wonder if 8331 would be more suitable but i work with a lot of bass so leaning towards 8341.
@adrianmilea
3 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome and I appreciate your feedback. It happens I'm right now in my studio room which is also a small one. I have just measured my listening position and it is between 80 cm to 1 meter, so I think you'll be ok with 8331s. However, I would recommend you to go with 8341s, if you can, for at least 2 reasons: 1. You work with a lot of bass. 2. One day you may move to a bigger room. I hope this helps.
@Fastguy335i
3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the response thank you very much. I think i will stretch for the 8341s. The GLM system seems like its working magic with this range so definitely a worthy investment.
@adrianmilea
3 жыл бұрын
@@Fastguy335i If you buy 8341s you have to get GLM!!!
@RodneyD
Жыл бұрын
I just dropped some cash on the Genelec 8351b. They’re the next size up from yours. My room is small but I don’t care. I definitely won’t need a sub. What are the dimensions of your room??
@adrianmilea
Жыл бұрын
I can certify that this room is small, but the Genelecs sound really good !
@RodneyD
Жыл бұрын
@@adrianmilea I sent the Genelec 8351bs back.. I exchanged them for the Genelec 8361a. They’re even bigger. Endgame monitors
@adrianmilea
Жыл бұрын
Congrats!!! Did you feel a difference?
@RodneyD
Жыл бұрын
@@adrianmilea Hell Yes… they don’t need a subwoofer!!
@skurreskurt7756
2 жыл бұрын
OK im sold :) 😆
@adrianmilea
2 жыл бұрын
I should become a Genelec Affiliate then...😀
@dronbana
Жыл бұрын
Hey, I’m planning on buying the same combination, could you please tell me it they can get loud enough for a big room? I have a 20x25 (feet) room and i wanted to use them in a midfield setup, just worried about the 110db spl. Thanks
@adrianmilea
Жыл бұрын
My room is smaller, and I use them at less than 50% power...
@lewispotter7369
2 жыл бұрын
I'm not a music producer but I use Genelec Sam monitors and a sub for listening to music. I use the anolog inputs from my DAC. Is there a way that I can connect digitally? What would I need to buy to make this happen. Thanks for a very interesting vid. Cheers, Lewis
@adrianmilea
2 жыл бұрын
Lewis Potter, thank you so much for your feedback!I! It depends on your setup of course... The simplest way might be connecting the Digital Output of your DAC (does it have one?) if not, you should get a DAC with such an output. In my case, I have an audio interface with a Digital Output - and I use a AES/EBU Snake - DB25 Connector to XLR to connect it with the Genelecs. I hope this helps :)
@lewispotter7369
2 жыл бұрын
@@adrianmilea Thanks for your reply. My DAC doesn't have a aes output. I will try to get one that does. Thanks again, Lewis.
@shashanktandon3321
2 жыл бұрын
Hi nice video.. I am planning to buy Genelec 8050B? Is it good for mixing and mastering? How's its midrange response?
@adrianmilea
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your feedback! I don't any experience with 8050B - so I cannot say. The Ones series are very good for both mixing and mastering!
@shashanktandon3321
2 жыл бұрын
@@adrianmilea oh ok sir thank you 😊😊
@christelhall9379
Жыл бұрын
Aren’t you supposed to get 7370 for them? It’s on their website on that sub matching table.
@adrianmilea
Жыл бұрын
Maybe, but for my needs 7360 is more than enough so far.
@christelhall9379
Жыл бұрын
@@adrianmilea it sucks 7360 doesn't go to 16hz. Or does it? At least on their website it says it goes down to 19hz. 7370 is 16hz
@ikamy
Жыл бұрын
Hey thanks for the video I have plan to get exactly the same setup (I had 8 inches monitor before) but this time I want to skip room treatment Is it still good without room treatment ?
@adrianmilea
Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! The only treatment I have is the one you see in the video. I didn't test them without treatment yet...
@thephotodetective8507
3 ай бұрын
Never go without good treatment! Glm works no wonders if you have a shitty soundig room! 😊
@skurreskurt7756
2 жыл бұрын
Could you explain the digital connection? Was thinking getting an apollo twin x interface
@adrianmilea
2 жыл бұрын
You can connect these Genelec via Analog or Digital. In order to connect them Digitally you'll need your audio interface to have a Digital Aes output - which goes to the Digital Input of one Genelec. Then you'll have to connect the rest. And I highly recommend to connect them digitally.
@riktascale4
3 жыл бұрын
Is the low end of your mixes improved with these now? I am looking at this to go with focal solo 6be and barefoot 01's (yes my room is big). Your thoughts please.
@adrianmilea
3 жыл бұрын
In short - after using "The Ones" everything improved, including the low end. Also, it is worth mentioning that after I started using this monitoring system - I stopped using more than 50% of my previous "favorite plugins" as they were doing more harm than good. If you have a big room, maybe you should go with 8351s plus two 7370 if possible. Of course, also if possible, listen to them first, before buying - they are not liked by everyone.
@dorsia6938
3 жыл бұрын
@@adrianmilea I can confirm about these speakers. They are really something special and you will hear that most processing ruins your sound. And when EQing bad frequencies will just jump out at you. It's so precise. I'm not saying saying all these because I dropped 10k on speakers and want them to be good. They really are a great buy.
@adrianmilea
3 жыл бұрын
@@dorsia6938 I totally agree!
@KevinAroni-uz5rl
4 ай бұрын
Is 2.1 o 2.2 2 speaker 1 sub o 2 speaker 2 sub?
@adrianmilea
4 ай бұрын
I have 2 x 8341 & 1 x 7360
@KevinAroni-uz5rl
4 ай бұрын
@@adrianmilea puedes hacer un video 2. 1032c 1. 7360a? Es superior a tu equipo pero más barato
@Styrant
3 жыл бұрын
I notice you are reccomending some people to go with 8351 and 7370 do you have any regrets not spending more for this or do you just see it as another option?
@adrianmilea
3 жыл бұрын
That's a great question! Some people say they have bigger rooms than mine, this is why I'm recommending more power. I don't have any regrets because, as I have a small room, there's a lot of unused power from my 8341s + 7360 combo. I was ok, even without the subwoofer. So, even if the time will come and I'll move to another room, I'll still be ok in terms of power. Another thing to consider, from my experience it is better to make your speakers up to about 80-90% of their power - to keep them working optimally. To give you some context, at this point, I feel that I use my monitoring system maybe at about 40-50% of its power. I hope I answered your question ;)
@Styrant
3 жыл бұрын
@@adrianmilea perfect! I also have a small room sounds like your combination will suit better
@adrianmilea
3 жыл бұрын
@@Styrant I only guessed that they will be perfect for my room. But I took also into consideration a future move into a bigger room. In the end, if you can, I recommend you to test them before buying them ;)
@Styrant
2 жыл бұрын
@@adrianmilea I have ordered my own 8341s! I hope to also save up for subwoofer, but after a lot of research and saving up I pulled the trigger, your video was a great inspiration
@olaeinairoda
3 жыл бұрын
Do you drive with more dac ???
@adrianmilea
3 жыл бұрын
No. I go straight from the Avid HD Omni through AES.
@Mtaalas
11 ай бұрын
Yes, 95% of the sound of pair of speakers is your ROOM and the acoustics within it. Calibration kit is available to make sure they can somewhat even out any small issues in the listening space but it's not a replacement for fully kitted out and well treated room with good acoustics. And to make sure that you can take them with you to new space and somewhat easily setup trustworthy listening space.. as long as there are good acoustics available already. High end speakers only give you the possibility to achieve very high level of sound if EVERYTHING ELSE is in it's place. :)
@adrianmilea
10 ай бұрын
The Calibration Kit is a blessing for sure !
@rawritstayl0r866
3 жыл бұрын
Were there any reasons why you didn’t get ATC or Barefoot
@adrianmilea
3 жыл бұрын
Hey! When I was searching for upgrading my monitors I had a certain budget in mind, but also I knew I needed some sort of calibration because of my room. In my research, the ATC monitors didn't get under my radar for some reason :D I got interested in Barefoot, but they were more expensive than the Genelecs, so this made my decision easier. The thing is that, after I got the Genelecs I did listen to a pair of Barefoot and they are fantastic monitors, but I still prefer Genelec "The Ones." I hope this helps.
@producertv8964
3 жыл бұрын
@@adrianmilea I've also listened to some Barefoot MM26 /27 Kii Three and ATC's but Genelec The Ones impressed me the most! The Kii three was crystal clear but very flat and overall boring. This is maybe great for Mastering but no fun for producing or just listening to music. Barefoot was also very flat but not boring. To me they sound similar to the Genelec the Ones but Genelec has better stereo imaging and clarity. ATC's was very sorberly but they had not enough low end for me. The only Monitors I didn't heard right now are the Amphions. But I think I'll go with the Genelec 8351B and add a 7370 Sub later. Because this System is my Favorite right now! Great that you have 15 Pros and only 2 cons lol. By the way if you want more colloring to the Genelecs you can always insert an EQ on the Masterfader for shaping your overall Monitor Sound.
@adrianmilea
3 жыл бұрын
@@producertv8964 Thank you for your suggestion :D Maybe I'll try an EQ on the Master fader! I would love to listen to Kii Three just to make a comparison. If you will go with 8351B + sub, you should be good for some years in terms of monitoring system investment! Also, the W371A is worth listening to, but... it's a trap :D Good luck with your investment! ;)
@musicxtech6680
3 жыл бұрын
or amphions
@zerberk
3 жыл бұрын
don't want to sound rude but before providing professional services fix your monitor placement in your room first. You can spend all the money you want on gear, plugins etc etc but without proper technique, you're going to be outdone by some kid with ATH-m50x's. Good video nonetheless!
@adrianmilea
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your feedback! There are always ways to improvement :)
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