I've always just used the Standard Picture Profile in my Sony Cameras. I just start using S-Cinetone in my Sony a7siii and am now starting to use it on my recently purchased Sony FX30 (which I love!!). Eventually I'll play around with S-Log3, but for now I'll hold off until I learn more from watching videos like this. Thanks for sharing.
@jaythecreative7506
3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I’ve been using S-Cinetone recently but went back to S-log 3. There are so many slamming luts out there that are soooo good. I also noticed that in order to control specular highlights with s-cinetone I needed more diffusion than with S-log 3 which I wasn’t a fan of. Thanks for the comparison 👏🏾
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they’re definitely made for different processes. It’s nice to have a solid looking option for straight out of camera filmic looks... but I’m probably not gonna use it much when I have the control of s-log 3
@RCodyWanner
3 жыл бұрын
wonderful vid - thanks so much for explaining it so well and bringing us through all the processes - i’m back to testing out s-cinetone now haha
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching dude!! I totally hear you on going back to testing after watching something like this haha
@oscarespino893
3 жыл бұрын
Glad someone is showing folks you can have both S-log3 with S-cinetone colors. It's a dream to color correct skin. Also making 2 color profiles back to back one with S-log3 w. SGamut3.Cine the other with S-Log3 w. S-cinetone and it's jarring how much of a better base point of yellow red and orange are with S-cinetone.
@stanchion8186
3 жыл бұрын
Right. This is what they meant by "venice color" coming to the A7S iii correct? Log profile but color science from the bigger camera...?
@oscarespino893
3 жыл бұрын
@@stanchion8186 yep exactly
@ManleyReviews
3 жыл бұрын
My a7s3 just came in today! Perfect timing.
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Ooh nice!!
@ourtexasfamilyvideos62
2 жыл бұрын
I don't color grade at all due to red/green color deficiency in my normal vision. I hope the s-cinetone profile will allow me to produce acceptable results SOC.
@AJCoReTV
2 жыл бұрын
Regular looks great 🥳
@jodokcello
3 жыл бұрын
what is the difference between s-cinetone and the standard profile. what are the advantages of s-cinetone?
@TechManiac11
3 жыл бұрын
Wow Dunna did it! You smashed this one 🔥 video
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@robertsteinberger
3 жыл бұрын
This is one of those videos that are incredibly valuable, yet has no clicks because it's so specific. Will absolutely change my workflow. s-cinetone colors with the dynamic range of s-cinetone, incredible! Is there a way to do the color space transform thing in Premiere Pro?
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, I don’t know if there is a way in premiere other than adding a transform lut but it’s not quite the same.
@ShevonSalmon
3 жыл бұрын
Needed this
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it!!
@armando.visuals
3 жыл бұрын
What are the best zebras settings for S-CINETONE? no sure if I missed that in the video... thank you!
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Hey! S-cinetone has a Max of 109 (which is the highest zebras go) so if you’re just trying not to clip, I’d set it to 107 or so and make sure you don’t have any clipped areas.
@armando.visuals
3 жыл бұрын
@@dunnadidit ok thank you! 🙏🏼 i will try! I kept over exposing it so i gave up but wanted to try again.
@Pfagnan
2 жыл бұрын
@@armando.visuals Just set your zebras at 90% and you won’t overexpose. Over 100% is just asking for trouble!
@armando.visuals
2 жыл бұрын
@@Pfagnan i ended up with SLog3 Cine and HLG3. S-Cinetone felt over exposed even at 0 sometimes. Guess just couldn’t figured it out
@JSephH76
2 жыл бұрын
I know this is incredibly niche but as a colorblind man this is EXACTLY what I need and I cant wait to give it a shot! Im sure my wife will be thrilled too as I wont have to pester her as much to check and make sure the whole image isnt incredibly blue lol
@mikaeltona
2 жыл бұрын
Hahah I totally feel you!!
@ajwilliamsmedia
3 жыл бұрын
Nice! I'm a canon shooter, but I work with a lot of Sony shooters, so this is helpful for my post workflow. Thanks for another great video!
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Nice!!
@yycdrones
3 жыл бұрын
another awesome video man - great job!
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a ton!
@makestuffmike
3 жыл бұрын
Dunna! Thanks for the content my guy!
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching Mike!!
@wadefrench9254
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this comparison Dunna; this is super helpful. Is Cine4 just dead now that the a7siii as S-cinetone and 10-bit? It seemed like everyone was recommending that profile a couple years back. I'm interested in using this S-log-cinetone combo you mentioned, if only I had LUTs for that profile.... Maybe you should create and sell some ;)
@braydenjones4505
3 жыл бұрын
Replicate these post settings in resolve and export it as a LUT!
@JoeMooreProductions
3 жыл бұрын
LOVED your take on the S-Cinetone picture profile! Especially the little hack for using S-LOG 3 with the S-Cinetone. Going to have to try that one out for future videos. I'll be sticking with S-LOG 3 still for a majority of my shoots.
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it was helpful! Thanks for watching!!
@DanielHodotcom
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your advice!
@wulfrunian77
3 жыл бұрын
It's a fantastic and welcome addition to the A7Siii repertoire but as you say, not a direct replacement for S-Log3 Great to have the choice now though and will definitely be a major upgrade for those who don't want to color grade
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
100%
@BasicFilmmaker
3 жыл бұрын
Nice. For a shoot, would love all these options. For shooting my silly face for KZitem videos, I'd just stick with what looks good assuming the WB is legit. Currently liking PP2, but that's because I don't have to color grade it on top of everything else. Nice vid man. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Nice!! Yeah I think a lot of people will switch to this for that “as long as my white balance and exposure are decent I don’t have to touch it” look
@BLP3Motors
3 жыл бұрын
Love this bro!!! My a7siii came in yesterday and I just did the update today! going to be shooting in cinetone for shizzle!
@RyanTreadaway
3 жыл бұрын
I have a question that may require video to answer fully. I am not a cinematographer. I shoot videos for my KZitem channel for my business. I don't have the time or desire to learn about color grading. I just want the best image I can get straight out of my A7s3. Do you have a recommendation for the settings you'd recommend for this scenario? I shoot mainly indoors.
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, if you don’t want to grade at all... I would either use the new s-cinetone profile (PP11) or just use the standard look. It’s “what you see is what you get” with both of those so just expose it to look good on camera. I was honestly really happy with the look that they got on the standard profile in the a7s3. They’ve come a long way with skin tones.
@RyanTreadaway
3 жыл бұрын
@@dunnadidit awesome! Thanks for the quick reply. That's why you've been one of my favorites for a long time. I think I have a follow up question but I've already dropped my gear off where I'm recording tomorrow so I don't have access to my camera at the moment. Lol
@PaulFeinberg
3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video for sure......didn't know about the S-LOG3 with S-Cinetone. Nice! Depending on the situation I could see using both.
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks dude! Yeah I figured that would be a handy little “hack” for people
@diegocastiglia
Жыл бұрын
Scuse me ! These tests done in 8 bit or 10 bit? Many Thanks
@theinfinate
3 жыл бұрын
Im not really fussed about the scinetone, hlg3 is my recent go to profile.
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Nice.
@TheDude-vx6wn
3 жыл бұрын
This is great. I'm new to coloring, would like to learn more.
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve got a few videos up on my channel for ya!
@trevorallen_dp
3 жыл бұрын
certain situations call for certain picture profiles in my opinion! more controlled, ill do scinetone, uncontrolled environments will be slog3. dope video brother!
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed 100%. That’s pretty much the synopsis of the video I made on picture profiles haha.
@LukeBarousse
3 жыл бұрын
Dunna done explained it
@Photosbyabis
3 жыл бұрын
LMAO.. The intro was Epic LoL... Stay blessed
@JoshHanes
3 жыл бұрын
Good stuff!
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Cheers dude!!
@Aeecv
3 жыл бұрын
thank you for this amazing video for me, the ''S-Cinetone'' is kinda ''Preset'' (I don't know if this is right to call it) and we can get a similar look when we Color grading
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah that’s pretty close to the right idea! There’s a bit more to it than just that but that’s kind of how you can use it!
@AVdigitalPRODUCTIONZ
3 жыл бұрын
Very informative.
@armando.visuals
3 жыл бұрын
🙋🏻♂️ hey sorry just question question please... when ever i upload the s-cinetone footage to Premier or FCPX the shadows are very crushsed. But on camera the screen looked fine and it was exposed correctly. Am i doing something wrong in post? Thanks again for your time. If you are ever in Vegas let me know.
@IkerBSparkle
3 жыл бұрын
Is it bad I like the standard image the best in all?
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Not bad at all. I find it most pleasing a lot of the time too.
@bigshotmedia
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!!!
@panteliskasioulis5729
3 жыл бұрын
I know this has absolutely nothing to do with the video. But I am really torn choosing the correct camera to capture my videos. Basically I want to start a Real Estate channel where I am going to be discussing different houses. And there is going to be some walking with the camera and I don't have a crew. So I need a camera with great autofocus and in camera stabilization for under 2K any suggestions?
@braydenkong28
3 жыл бұрын
I use canon mostly but after seeing so many of Dunna’s videos I might actually consider switching to sony
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Haha it’s pretty great over here!
@kristaylor7119
2 жыл бұрын
With s-log 3 and s cinetone used together, do you still over expose by around +1.7 or is that different?
@dunnadidit
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I still overexpose the same
@AshwinRamdin
3 жыл бұрын
I really like the colors of S-Cinetone and wished it came to my Sony A7C. unfortunately I don't think this will happen, but then again it's smart business on Sony's side.
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think they’ll probably keep it for their more expensive (or maybe just newer) cameras but if you understand the concepts and you really want that look, you might be able to get something similar with some grading!
@iamwannabefilmmaker
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe you can replicate the look by tweaking the picture profiles I think someone has a profile for the A7 3 I can't remember the Chanel at the moment. I think extrashot a nice guy or something like that.
@zakfarms9962
2 жыл бұрын
Considering I went from a Canon M50 to a A7IV.... I think Cinetone is going to my best friend for a while...
@dunnadidit
2 жыл бұрын
It’s pretty slick for quick turnaround stuff
@zakfarms9962
2 жыл бұрын
@@dunnadidit Absolutely. I think the best thing now with the upgrade is the option to learn how to use S-log eventually to make better videos.
@kudsty
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@alchemist_x79
3 жыл бұрын
I really am jealous of your video skills lol. I'm still on an a7RIII so no assassintone for me, but I know next to nothing about grading and stick to the standard color profile (with some tweaks to the saturation, thanks to Mr. Brockhurst for that advice!) and since I'm primarily a photographer who occasionally shoots video, that's absolutely cool with me -- I just can't grasp a lot of the video stuff, even though I'd like to!
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
You’ll get there! Just takes some work and determination haha
@lvminh
3 жыл бұрын
Doesn't look like real S-cinetone to me when we apply LUTS to Slog3 with Rec709 color space.
@MrCameraJunkie
3 жыл бұрын
Sony we need S-Cinetone for APS-C? 😜👍 Great Video🔥
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I wonder if we’ll see a new apsc body this year
@MrCameraJunkie
3 жыл бұрын
@@dunnadidit I think there are 3 more Sony cameras scheduled to be announced this year, Fingers Crossed.
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Haha jeez! They’ve been busy I guess!
@sukhmeetchhabra9218
2 жыл бұрын
Is a cinetone applicable to still as well ?
@GuilDormeus
3 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Might stick to Slog 3
@animaxxx4429
3 жыл бұрын
Great video Dunna but I live Eterna way of life. 📸 Also Sony still has 4 unreleased cameras, do you think one of them is an APSC body or something like EOS RP type entry level full frame ? 🤔😅
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
I honestly have no idea what else they could put out at this point. Maybe some more apsc. We haven’t seen any of that in a minute.
@animaxxx4429
3 жыл бұрын
@@dunnadidit yeah hoping they introduce new awesome camera like A7sIII in Apsc body 😍
@sebastiannaranjo8059
Жыл бұрын
@@animaxxx4429 fx30!
@antonisdavis2288
3 жыл бұрын
hallo! how to set zebras in both profiles s cinetone and slog 3 and also how to exposure in both profiles(overxposed for ex by 1or 2 stops?
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Maximum zebra level on s-log3 is 93 anything above that will clip. Maximum level on s-cinetone is 109. For s-log3 I generally try to expose to the right without clipping. For a-cine tone, I watch for clipping but for the most part I just use my eye to expose to what looks good in the monitor.
@antonisdavis2288
3 жыл бұрын
@@dunnadidit thank u!
@JordiVandenBroeck
3 жыл бұрын
Don't know which one I prefer... Asinnatoneh or Secinnabon 🤔
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Ass in a tone. That’s what happens when you don’t skip leg day.
@kevinpaterson6052
2 жыл бұрын
Is S-Cinetone available on A7c?
@StephenMReyes
3 жыл бұрын
hmmm... slog3... scinetone... that's the hack!!! what did you use for your talking head part? looked great!
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
The talking head stuff was all s-log3 😁👍🏼
@StephenMReyes
3 жыл бұрын
@@dunnadidit with scinetone color or just slog3 with sgamut3.cine?
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Just the regular ol s-gamut3.cine
@omerozvardar8545
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the cinetone review. I decided to try HLG3 because it seems to have a good compromise of having some colors and a nice dynamic range. Also, Slog-3 requires an ND filter for sunny days as it starts on 640 ISO and I have to switch to F18 or more to compensate for it without a filter. Do you use Slog-3 with Cinetone colors or do you still prefer Slog-3 with Sgamut3.cine? It might be a better way than HLG3 if I use an ND filter. Also, what do you think about using different picture profiles for different settings for the same project? Say HLG3 for much light and Slog-3 for slightly darker environments, does it affect editing times or make it harder? Thank you again, very much appreciated..
@jan-jans143
2 ай бұрын
s-cinetone is the best to go. it's softer compared to normal pp.
@mychanneltoletyouknow
3 жыл бұрын
thank u
@swashy8933
2 жыл бұрын
I'm confused there's 2 settigns, picutre profile and gamma. Do I set both of them to S cinetone for it to work or just the profile?
@swashy8933
2 жыл бұрын
I edit in premiere so with it mess everything up? I dont have that transform thing
@landislakefilms3876
3 жыл бұрын
I really don't get the need for setting the detail to anything below zero... When I feel like one of the big things people try to fight against when shooting with a consumer grade non cinema camera is smudginess. I feel to the client/random viewer its just going to subconsciously come across to them as lower resolution.
@randyrektor
3 жыл бұрын
Now you're #gradingdunna
@janosklotz9509
Жыл бұрын
Hi, i Use the scinetone profile with the Lemming lut. S cinetone movie Looks better with leeming lut as without or Natur. . Its Not Wohle true That scinetone natur is ready to go, Looks flat and has week Contrast. Try it out, Use the leeming lut for scinetone and see it is more better as Natur.
@SPLURGEFILMS
3 жыл бұрын
What color grade you use
@parikksit
2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful setup. Unfortunately had to stop watching cuz of those white screen flashes. Would you mind using darker backgrounds?
@dunnadidit
2 жыл бұрын
I'll keep that in mind! Thanks for letting me know!
@mousse4444
3 жыл бұрын
Sony are marketing geniuses. They knew that the word Cinetone would make everyone pi in their pants. OK, now I have the perfect profile and obviously since it's called cinetone I am capable of shooting a sequal to Gone With the Wind with absolutely no problems. I still don't understand why this magic color profile has not been compared to Cine 1 and 2 but more so to slog3. And what happened to slog2. Anyway I just hope that you lucky people who have access to this miraculous profile will use it wisely and that it may be an inspiration and a stimulus to create beautiful cinematography.
@sadiqandnature
3 жыл бұрын
Can i update that in my sony a7iii?
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately they only made it an update for the a7siii so far.
@JordiVandenBroeck
3 жыл бұрын
@@dunnadidit Make sure to check out the S-cinetone "hack" by Extrashot for a7III! I tried it on my camera and it looks awesome and gets really close to the real S-cinetone. It's one of the videos shown in the intro.
@nexfilm
3 жыл бұрын
Great video thanks a lot. I find S-Cinetone to boost a lot of magenta/red ish on skindtones, and find it a bit unnatural. Whats your take on this ?
@pwiepaul
3 жыл бұрын
Hey, i noticed the same thing on my a7s. Just did my first tests. But in comparison to "PP Off" the red boostit looks more true to life, maybe a bit to much.
@smepable
3 жыл бұрын
Nice Intro
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@cj64films
3 жыл бұрын
Man I’m really considering selling my pocket 4K and a6400 for the a7siii, idk maybe I’m crazy for thinking that lol.
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think you’re crazy at all
@cj64films
3 жыл бұрын
@@dunnadidit I know it’s a big investment. The pocket 4K has amazing image quality and I love BRAW but I don’t like the fact I have to have a huge rig to get the full use out of it. And I love the a6400 because it’s small and compact and I can run and gun, but the 8 bit codec falls apart with it. It’s half the reason I never use slog with it, because it’s becomes so blotchy with 8-bit. Obviously for photography the stills are amazing. I am a hybrid shooter, but I’m more focused on video. And I feel like 12MP is perfectly fine for social media.
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything you said.
@cj64films
3 жыл бұрын
@@dunnadidit I'm def gonna rent one for project and see if it fits my needs.
@Mal0wens
3 жыл бұрын
I did exactly that Holland Cloak Media. I had 2 x Pocket 4Ks and sold them both. The Sony advantage with image stabilisation and incredible face/eye/object auto focus tracking is just superb. The benefits list is very long! Great battery life, full frame image, weather sealed, amazing stills etc! I’ve been over the moon with my decision.
@MrRonakdesai
3 жыл бұрын
WELL i think i'm doing the same as yours..
@Sjaubi-qf6wd
2 жыл бұрын
The whole idea of cinematic is light and shadow . You seem to be in the mode of getting rid of shadow . I guess S-Cinetone would slow your row as far as LUT sales and tutorials but I say please don’t try to convince people that the right way is the wrong way.
@PIXELvoiz
3 жыл бұрын
nice beard :D
@rijulgarg36
2 жыл бұрын
sscinnabon!!
@IAmR1ch
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry, fail to see the benefit. If you so unconcerned with image quality and are unwilling to use S-log 3. Does this subtle difference really amount to anything? Don't get me wrong, another tool is always good but this one to me such a minor change that the subtle difference does not seem worth the effort.
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
S-Log3 needs to be graded. S-cinetone doesn’t necessarily but has a slightly more filmic look straight out of camera. So if you don’t want to or don’t have time to grade... it can be quicker.
@IAmR1ch
3 жыл бұрын
@@dunnadidit I understand the concept. Do you think S-cinetoneh :) looks better than the standard profile? I was saying I don't see the big benefit in that. Maybe I am missing something. In your example it only did a subtle adjustment to the yellow and it did not seem that big a deal to me. Perhaps you could show two videos so we could see the difference. Again it was so subtle I didn't think it was that big of a difference over standard profile. If you are saying it is some huge improvement I will have to take your word for it because I am not seeing it. In other words, I am not familiar enough with the effect to see a video and say.. OMG, that is the beautiful S-cinetone effect being used on that video... over the standard profile.
@dunnadidit
3 жыл бұрын
I hear you. I don’t think it’s supposed to be a big massive change. Just the subtle tweaks to the color and the change in the luminance curve to make it look a bit more filmic. And I think they’ve succeeded. It’s super subjective whether it looks “better” or not and might be situational depending on what you need but I do think that it succeeds at what they were trying to do with it. When I see the standard profile, it looks like a video camera, when I see a-cinetone, it looks a little more “cinematic”
@IAmR1ch
3 жыл бұрын
@@dunnadidit Thanks for the info. I will look again and try to see what you are seeing, video camera vs more cinema like. Thanks
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