the practice of paying to get weapons, abilities, etc. that give you an advantage over players who do not spend money
@Giupeppe098
27 күн бұрын
@@TactiGamer paying to get an advantage that is only accessible to people that spend money
@eloverlord96
27 күн бұрын
I hate the monetization that they included in Arena too, is pay to win, like you said people who pay real money has infinite access to the best gear and ammo, as long as their wallet allows it, which clearly can be a big advantage. Whales are no good, I really hope that the devs listen and end up changing it, but I doubt it. Now for sure they're not going to get 1$ from me, I'm gonna enjoy what I can of Arena playing for free until other extraction shooter comes out, that is both well done and has a fair monetization model, that will be the extraction shooter I choose to support with my money. Because I don't support predatory monetization models, I'm not going to put any money on this, that's what all the people who want this to change should do if you want them to hear you, is the only way, don't be a whale, join the resistance 😁✊
@yudiakai999
27 күн бұрын
@@Giupeppe098 i think the important part is the "only accessible for paying players", you might have some reservations for the economy side of things, but with kinda limited inventory space, i don't think its going to fuck up the economy too much, also armor degrades very fast, and ammo goes by in a normal rate of attrition. The secure container renting is eggregious, but i can see people living without it overall.
@chonky2129
27 күн бұрын
every single game will be "pay to win" or "pay for convenience" in 10-15 years. entire generations are being raised on mobile games. they won't care at all.
@supernova7314
27 күн бұрын
Wait until he finds out about face shields
@TactiGamer
27 күн бұрын
I looked later and did. Couldnt test it on the range tho. Absolutelt bonkers
@supernova7314
27 күн бұрын
@@TactiGamer also check leg armor, idk about PC but on mobile you can become a literal tank that only the highest tier ammo (which is expensive and inaccessible to many) can pen with little weak spots
@supernova7314
27 күн бұрын
I just checked and it's over a 1000 per round for 5.56, a single mag costs a whole mid tier kit
@gamingwithdrgoblin
27 күн бұрын
@supernova7314 leg armor only protects upper thighs. Dumdums arent aiming thighs most of the time, same with type 8
@supernova7314
27 күн бұрын
@@gamingwithdrgoblin true, I'm not saying it's impenetrable, I'm just saying that it's clearly an advantage, besides any knee high obstacle and it's completely blocked, except for the arms but those are very hard to hit
@Travis_Scorsese
27 күн бұрын
and we all thought "AAA Studios will be crying after this" its sad they did this.
@TactiGamer
27 күн бұрын
Very sad.
@Sarcasmos-ft7gz
27 күн бұрын
The game is literally made by Tencent
@leonlai8270
27 күн бұрын
@@Sarcasmos-ft7gzTencent games are always pay to win. I said this months ago and attack by tarkov haters. Or 50cents from Tencent.
@ugrena7419
27 күн бұрын
@@Sarcasmos-ft7gz Tencent doesn't make games; they publish them.
@FishDish584
27 күн бұрын
@@ugrena7419 still a giant chinese company
@Mr.Rhox69
27 күн бұрын
Buy better ammo, still got one-shot with tier 6 armor. Armor is never gonna make a bad player good.
@dadylank7271
25 күн бұрын
Exactly
@Bruh-qb8ir
22 күн бұрын
Who even use T1 Anymore, From my Experience Most People ARE using T3-T4 Ammo as Standard and even T5 (not counting HP and Dum-Dum)
@az-6262
27 күн бұрын
Just got on a raid recently, went to the factory and my dumb ass went into the open. Covert player blended in with the bots i was trying to clear, I have t4 armor on And this dude wrecked my legs from 40 meters Gear rarely matters, i lasted 4 seconds wearing good armor If only i had cover
@alox1098
27 күн бұрын
The only actual good armor to pvp are t5 and t6 and if you fire first you probably will kill t5 with ammo t3 and with t4 ammo you can kill everyone if you pick good and shoot first but if u want to kill someone with t6 armor fast use ammo that do more damage but doesn't penetrates and aim for the legs that's it the standard ammo is t4 everyone is gonna have that that's why the only 2 good tier armor for pvp is 5 and 6 and the only one that you can relay on is the t6 and if someone have the brilliant idea of bring t5 ammo or superior say goodbye to your loot that's why everyone plays with t3 armor because is the optimal for protecting you from the bots and can stop low tier ammo for player and because everybody have good ammo you are gonna get melted enyway so the best you can do is have a t3 armor and a somewhat moded weapon but with the best ammo you can buy and you are gonna start feeling the change you lost a little and win big and then you spend every single koen you have in only 3 hours playing armory t6
@themysteryman1482
27 күн бұрын
There's an argument to be made about tactics vs gear. You can have the best stuff on the market but still suck at the game and get shit on by someone who is just better. Happens to me all the time. On the other hand, I agree that buyable currency is kinda shitty but its like GTA 5 online, that shit will go fast. It's not like people are unkillable even with this high tier gear and they don't get to keep it afterwards. Now some SHIT would be like if they had permanent armor or something aw HELL no.
@FreePalestine07462
27 күн бұрын
Well because your legs aren’t protected
@az-6262
27 күн бұрын
@alox1098 he had an mp5 with t2 bullets not even dumdums
@FreePalestine07462
27 күн бұрын
@@az-6262 well mp5 is meta for brokies
@guerrinlove69
27 күн бұрын
Ive been enjoying tf outta this since last night. Ive played about 8 hours total now. Already lvl. 16. Its just Tarkov-lite. Shorter rounds, smaller maps, and the game gives you 1.8 mil to start off. Ive been smart with my cash and now am sitting at 3.2. Im not too concerned with the P2W aspect at the moment, either be aware of your surroundings and avoid chads. Or got get a mag worth of lvl 6 or 7 ammo if youre so scared of them. Ive only ran into a team of 2 gigachads so far with lvl 6 everything and it was kinda my fault for loading into armory. I killed one of them with my mosin w/lvl 7 rounds. Everyone can either: 1. Waste your energy by crying about it 2. Go play tarkov/SPT 3. Realize its a Chinese published F2P game and theres no convincing them. Its a fun game for people that want a more casual tarkov experience. Well optimized, guns feel good, and theres almost no questline ball torture like tarkov
@mattheawfrederick5696
27 күн бұрын
It's like people forget Na is not the target audience, China is, thats where the money is and thats where this business model is culturally accepted.
@OddlyDelta
27 күн бұрын
@@mattheawfrederick5696 theres a reason why it never flew in the west, chinese gamers are just cucks and would happily accept these kind of predatory microtransactions
@themetalicious7195
26 күн бұрын
Super fun so far played about 6 hours level 19 with friends we killed so many chads
@jawnjawnson525
25 күн бұрын
Games actually pretty fun I can’t lie. I don’t play tarkov because of the grind so this fits in nice. Die to a chad? Oh well I’ll be in another game in 2 minutes
@ghostly2249
15 күн бұрын
use mp5 with dum dum rounds and aim to the legs
@majuleznfs
27 күн бұрын
Sheef (tarkov streamer) went into a raid as a scav last night and killed two players who one of them had t-7's (the 2.5 million koen thermal gogles) along with best armor and fully kitted out guns. The players who Sheef killed and had the t-7's were level 3. You start with 1.8 mill. They spent more than 40$ each.
@brawler5760
27 күн бұрын
Cool, we don’t give a fuck about some random fucking streamer.
@majuleznfs
27 күн бұрын
@@brawler5760 Why you mad?
@majuleznfs
27 күн бұрын
Take a chill pill my guy.
@graymanes1297
27 күн бұрын
@@brawler5760 why are you so mad its actually shows how bad the monetization are even with good gear if you dont have the time and skill to backed it up it's just a waste of money but these spenders are whales so yeah rich kid/teenagers/young adult doesnt care which is show how bad are these whales are 😂😂😂. There is no helping it anymore for ABI the game will be DOA if launched on steam because of this Bad monetization or the players who played from their official launcher who dont like the monetization left the game for dead then only small percentages of whales player left, because not everyone are as bloody rich as these whales player.😂😂😂
@motokaichou2010
27 күн бұрын
Western Gamers when you can buy gear with rl money : *loses mind, makes a video essay why video game industry is ruined Eastern Gamers when you can buy gear with rl money : lets see if you can survive this gas and molly combo wombo *spams nades instead
@reinach77
27 күн бұрын
Free to play games need to have a huge player base to survive with a fair paying model.
@reinach77
27 күн бұрын
Others just have a predatory model and die quickly (but can still be lucrative for the devs)
@trashcompactorYT
27 күн бұрын
That's not really an excuse. Free to play games DO have huge playerbases. That's the whole reason they exist. This game and others like it typically have playerbases in the millions.
@mrphoenix5951
27 күн бұрын
and being good help but that have neither once again
@eloverlord96
27 күн бұрын
Which this game would have if they launch it on steam without such predatory, pay to win monetization. But they didn't launch it on steam probably to be free of the review bombing that was going to be caused by the monetization model, which isn't gonna change that there's gonna be people still pissed off and a lot of them probably won't even touch the game + they lost more possible players because they didn't launch it on steam, giving less visibility and promotion to the game. This devs are stupid lol, I think they shoot themselves in the foot big time.
@ZubbisMan
27 күн бұрын
@@eloverlord96 only thing I think is insane Is having to rent a secure container. RMT is in all games anyways just that cheaters are the ones who sells the items and that's why you see so many cheaters in tarkov.
@r.asyafiq310
27 күн бұрын
8:51 you can buy a secure container on a certain level with rank point, to get rank points, you need to play on ranked mode. For key container, you will get it after you complete evita's mission
@Diepotatoes21
27 күн бұрын
@tactigamer 3:26 The comparison of PRS and Tier 6 armour is incredibly poor for this argument. PRS is tier 1 it is literally the lowest tier ammo and that is also pretty much the starter calibre This is literally basic map bot level ammo and you are comparing it one of the heaviest and best protecting armours in the game. You have not played this game. (for reference the literal starter ammo is PP - tier 3 and is a decent tier 3-4 player and bor muncher and is by no means an extravagant ammo) The average pvp is tier 4 bullets for players and tier 3 for bots, usually if you’re running level 4 armour and expecting an average of tier 4 to 5 players. Compare that and you’ll find it’s very viable. Furthermore for low ammo vs high armour cases you can do a ton of blunt damage in arena breakout infinite and can fairly easily ruin somone by going for their legs and arms. Only novices to the game aim straight for the chest in these cases thinking it’s like any other game where hit = damage. You play and shoot tactically and you get armour that performs for its price. And often for these higher ones it heavily slows you down and makes getting your legs shot out a serious weakness - the added weight also makes you physically a lot louder for CQB - The (it’s not) pay to win - 2:39 The pay system in arena does add a significant amount of additional permanent lobby storage and temporarily both additional lobby storage and the safe case. Even though the safe case can be used to protect your most expensive ammo and save super expensive items in the game, it is super convenient but not pay to win you can definitely get by just fine without it. The significant additional permanent lobby storage does affect viability a bit, as it greatly improves how much stuff you can keep just on hand, though that’s easy to get around as you can just convert your loot to cash which stacks way smaller than say, a gun or some armour. And even if the storage has somehow gotten that full from pure cash, the permanent pay storage is purchased for literally $10 bucks and you only ever have to do it once. So a 1 off $10 bucks for an already free game is not pay to win
@banditveteran
25 күн бұрын
I’m kind of disappointed finding out you can buy Koen, which I missed in my time playing thus far, but even now honestly I’m not that bothered. For the good you get out of the game, this is a minor downside to consider the game completely gone and done for. Even then, sure, I agree, it’s quite literally pay to win, you can pay money for things that are effectively better. HOWEVER, at the same time, if some idiot decides they’re going to spend a whole $40 to get a decked gun and top their armor just for me to leg meta them with hollow points, that’s a very short lasted purchase to celebrate. And if I see their account level confirms that they had gear they shouldn’t have had at that level, that’s even more joy for me. Nothing’s free, there’s always tradeoffs. I’d rather have this over tarkov that’s spent years goofing around and constantly willing to piss off their super loyal community.
@Diepotatoes21
25 күн бұрын
@@banditveteran yeah and even if you buy a whole bunch of koen, if you’re not at that skill level as a player, you’re going to start losing it REAL fast. That’s why most people don’t buy koen but rather the case as it’s simply a better and safer investment
@ihatemylife4490
24 күн бұрын
@@Diepotatoes21bro got some points here.
@itisrichard9732
22 күн бұрын
@@banditveteran The gamse is free tho, 100% better than 60$ unless I buy Tarkov.
@CptAeRoTR
20 күн бұрын
If they have given a basic 1x2 or 2x2 safe box for everyone, I would say okay...
@MrMat3K
27 күн бұрын
I still dont get the ammo argument , it was literally the same in the alpha and who uses prs ammo, really? even in tarkov every player who played for at least 50 + hrs knows about the importance of rounds in the chamber you are using. Game is still fun to play and they have to earn their money threw something. Played for 1 day have over 5 mill inv value dont really know how can you struggle in this game.
@user-lu2up5py9f
20 күн бұрын
exactly
@spacelord05oficial82
17 күн бұрын
Facts
@BurntLithium
14 күн бұрын
fr fr its so easy to leg someone with dum dum rounds short burst i can take down a whole 4 man squad by shooting their legs with a single 50rounder out of my mp5 its funny how many people are complaining about p2w when im free player with over 20 mil koen and almost another 20mil via items in my storage and ive only played mobile for 6 months ..... oh yea i almost forgot ive put 16 million koen worth of loot into my trophy room too because what else am i gonna spend all this easy money on lmao this game is so far from p2w.... anyone that thinks its p2w needs to get good if you legit need secure container you suck simple edit- dont forget this payment model along side kernel anti cheat means no profit incentive for cheaters which means less cheaters over all its actually the only correct business model in my opinion if you dont want cheaters over running the game selling cheats on black markets like they already do for tarkov..... now buying cheats... thats p2w tarkov.. the real joke is people who think tarkov isnt p2w already.. and its a pay to play game FFS not even F2P TARKOV IS LITERALLY A TRASH GAME HAHAHA
@tzav
27 күн бұрын
Why it feels like Tacti calls every new extraction shooter "Tarkov for Dads"
@TactiGamer
27 күн бұрын
Cuz it's our time to shine!
@viktorianas
27 күн бұрын
because these new shooters do not require to learn Tarkov encyclopaedia and to play the game 24/7 to be competitive.
@ericlundy917
27 күн бұрын
@@TactiGamerbum just play tarkov pve
@JeuneF
27 күн бұрын
It’s tarkov for professionally active people
@Stealth86651
27 күн бұрын
Because people really like the Tarkov experience, but a lot of gamers are older and don't have a ton of time to invest, leading to a huge market for a more casual Tarkov experience?
@ThatKidCj23
26 күн бұрын
Don’t spend your money. It’s that simple. The game itself is really really fun.
@WyattErickson-ce3bo
27 күн бұрын
There is gear based matchmaking
@hubachecka
22 күн бұрын
That's a joke right? Omg, luckily I am not playing that trash. Same idiocracy as sbmm in battle royale games like pubg or fortnite
@Luxbroo
21 күн бұрын
@@hubacheckai dont think little timmy with t2 armor and t1 bullets would fare well against johnny with t6 armor and armor piercing rounds
@hubachecka
21 күн бұрын
@@Luxbroo Then why have different tiers of stuff in the first place in an extraction shooter? What am I missing here
@Luxbroo
21 күн бұрын
@@hubachecka Its simple; balance Tiers in armorXammo is simple, ammo with a penetration of t3 will most likely penetrate armor that is rated for tier3. if youre wearing t4 then the chance of t3 ammo penetrating will be signifcantly lower and therefor you have to shoot more to wear the armor enough for bullets to penetrate. tier1 ammo has an incredibly slim but not impossible chance to penetrate high tier armor in one shot, but most players ingame would bring t3 anyway.
@st.upid_fr0g470
16 күн бұрын
@@hubachecka there can be t5 and t7 players in cheap lobbies on the mobile version, but it's rare to see a t6 squad playing with noobs, but do you think is easy for them? hella fun killing all over the place but there are some players who already made their rule of thumb to shot at the legs, hell sometimes when I go naked I get killed with leg gameplay.
@nicolasgaither6247
27 күн бұрын
mp5 dum dum rounds to the legs will kill any player in under a second no matter the armor
@KudoRedfox
27 күн бұрын
And the recoil goes up to the chest and your ammo is now empty, what now?
@Yuikoaltera-lake
27 күн бұрын
@@KudoRedfox MP5 have almost zero recoil
@Dot-Nathan
27 күн бұрын
justifying this in what's supposed to be a semi-realistic shooter by saying "just aim for their legs" is mind boggling.
@jack-azote2778
27 күн бұрын
@@KudoRedfoxwait until he hears about the mpx
@TheRealTurpy
27 күн бұрын
@@KudoRedfox just dont be bad at the game maybe??
@gyuriii2971
24 күн бұрын
As someone who has 600 hours in the mobile version i disagree. The people who buy the currency are rare because its very expensive and if you are not good enough you will die anyway. The people who are good can make profit and they get that gear without paying. Killing a t6 is much easyer than you think. If they miss and you shoot at the exposed bodyparts you can kill them in no time. There are Ammo types that deal high base damage but are bad at penetrating armor and there are the ones that can penetrate high tier armor. You can kill anyone with a molotov no matter what gear they have so there are many ways to counter t6 and if you kill them you get the gear they paid for. If you know how the game works you can counter everything. The other thing is that you can play the same map in different game modes. In the basic mode you just enter but you have a lockdown mode where you can only enter if your equipment value is over 100K (30K on mobile) so the people that have t6 will go into lockdown for better loot (pro players never only play lockdown if the have t6) There is even a harder mode than lockdown. In the mobile version you have skins and a battle pass im think it will come to PC after the PC version gets released.
@krzysister6459
27 күн бұрын
Brother showed worst ammo in ak with like 10 pen when 120 rounds of PS costs about 20k xd
@nachooos2506
17 күн бұрын
But the most stressful part on this game is face shots. Doesnt matter if you're wearing T6 when you get shot in the face, you're dead. Unless you buy helmet with T6 face shield.
@Ethern4
27 күн бұрын
i rarely find player uses t6 armor t6 helmet on farm (normal) and the best loot you can get like 100k after loot all the red zone in that map, and the armor like 200k each
@viktorijakomnenic726
27 күн бұрын
Thats not pay to win. Bro enemy can have t6 armor every where you can still kill him with a shotgun💀 whats your point
@GabrielChristopherPascua
26 күн бұрын
Its not really about the money you spent Its about how you deal with other players or how u used the stuff u buy
@PsychoRavager
27 күн бұрын
Was excited to finally play something a bit more casual while retaining some hardcore elements, especially a game that seems to stick to the gritty aesthetic (unlike, say, Call of Duty these days). But, man, I knew there had to be a catch, especially with monetization. I miss those old days when we'd get multiplayer games that you only had to buy once... and only have expansion packs of some sort be the additional purchases post-release. I'm not even that old yet (mid-20s), but the way mainstream gaming, movies, and so on have been lately... just makes me feel even more nostalgic of my earlier days as a kid enjoying stuff... altho I had to kinda hide it from my overly-strict parents back in the day. Hahahaha. Oh, and let's not forget how so many multiplayer titles back then either had offline modes/bots on launch or some form of mod-friendly features that would allow for such things to be implemented by the community.
@MR.GLDN33
27 күн бұрын
I agree!!!! I remember we had to actually earn to unlock things! Now you have to F’ing buy everything…..
@PsychoRavager
27 күн бұрын
@@MR.GLDN33 , the fact that games like Call of Duty are monetizing finishers/takedowns is enough of an example for me to just be outright disgusted. Used to be a core mechanic when featured... especially for someone like me that loves cinematic/aesthetic combat moves. We truly live in the worst timeline, especially when it comes to triple-A gaming.
@unknown_lazer
27 күн бұрын
I've been playing the mobile version for a year with the same microtransaction model, I would personally say it doesn't affect me, I usually play against same gear value people with skill difference and I could earn what people paid $5 for in just a few hours of playtime and it's not like my time is lax, I'm still in college and broke so not paying full price for entry helps me a lot, for people who complain I can honestly just say to give it a shot, it's free and you can judge with your own experience, also yeah no cheaters but random mtchmaking will open you up to griefers.
@blackburn0223
27 күн бұрын
monetization wont affect u coz those players with high lvl gear can be kill :' , it doesnt affect me in mobile version and it wont hv much different here
@catsmello
26 күн бұрын
Monetization in this game is kinda useless except for Keychain and Secure Container. If you buy the most expensive gear using real money then you also has a high chance to easily by Scav weapn
@yarincool1237
27 күн бұрын
4:01 i just tested this and with my ak with pp ammo it took 18 shots consistentley over a couple of tries which is a more fair number, with ps 25 and with 40, at ps and prs it definitley starts to get rediculous.
@Resdog1107
21 күн бұрын
It's not a mobile port, it was built from the ground up..
@Globalnet626
27 күн бұрын
"Tarkov for dads" is EFT PVE.
@wazzuppoo
27 күн бұрын
eft pve costs 300 bucks
@ElektroFeal
27 күн бұрын
@@wazzuppoo 20 actually
@BrunoCooreman
27 күн бұрын
This hits home soo hard 😂
@DaBlaccGhost
27 күн бұрын
@@wazzuppoo I bought it for 90$ during christmas 5 years ago.
@Globalnet626
27 күн бұрын
@@DaBlaccGhost it's 50 dollars for standard plus 20 dollar upgrade for PvE. If you don't have PvE at all it's a 20 dollar upgrade from any of the versions. Standard edition PvE is perfectly reasonable because without a wipe you don't really need the inherent advantage of gamma. It definitely helps but you can be very comfortable with standard at pve knowing that your work towards any of the bigger cases will be preserved.
@T-adley14
27 күн бұрын
Live how he uses the worst ammo in the game
@ApplePieTTV
27 күн бұрын
You can buy good ammo from the market after level 3. This video is a bit misleading.
@gaming-with-the-people4815
27 күн бұрын
good ammo is expensive and there is no ammo for lvl 6, so you still are at disadvantage.
@ScorbyWZ
27 күн бұрын
That's the whole point of playing extraction shooters is to get better gear and ammo??
@ScorbyWZ
27 күн бұрын
Meant to reply to the guy above me
@WiscoMTB37
27 күн бұрын
@@ScorbyWZthis is day one, we will see how this game plays out after 6 months. Tarkov has meta issues late wipe pretty much every wipe. Early wipe of all extraction shooters is usually the best time to play.
@LUCAS420BLZ
27 күн бұрын
@@WiscoMTB37 comparing it to mobile everyone is broke and runs low tier kits unless it's the high quality zone
@derederekat9051
27 күн бұрын
maybe true about the Pay To Win, but you will still see a bunch of people from Central America who will not pay shit with irl currency and play the game cuz is free.
@ImOnMy116
27 күн бұрын
8:15 Haha, understatement of the century (Fortnite’s doing okay)! I don’t care what game we’re playing, 40 shots to the chest / 10 shots to the head is outrageous, even half that is insane to me. This is wild!
@KJ_BG
27 күн бұрын
hes using PRS on high tier armour PRS is T2 ammo and he is shooting at T3+ Armour 💀
@KJ_BG
27 күн бұрын
OFC it will take more shots to penetrate
@MFBjosejuFanNumberUan2047
27 күн бұрын
He's not playing the damn game right not even using the right ammo, is dude is just a noob and all of you are taking his false and crybaby info
@madskills6387
27 күн бұрын
He used the worst ammo vs some of the best armor, with proper ammo they drop in 1-3 hits
@ImOnMy116
27 күн бұрын
@@madskills6387 not saying you or anyone has to agree, but the idea that there’d be that kind of scaling (what sounds like potentially a factor of 10) between the best and worst ammo, particularly in a F2P PVP game with MTX, seems like at best, in poor taste, or at worst, predatory. That said, I’ve never been into extraction shooters, nor have I played this game specifically, but conceptually, I can’t imagine a world where I’d support this.
@foxhound2613
27 күн бұрын
My brother in Christ, I like you but you can buy good ammo just after completing the tutorial and the first raid, you are using the worst one, it's misleading. And buys Koens won't make you better, you can still loose everything in a matter of seconds to a player scav who will get all of your paid stuff for free. Also there is ranking so you more likely to not play with the guys paying a lot for Koens.
@user-te6eg2yu3r
20 күн бұрын
Don't spend your money for convenience if you don't like it, it's not pay to win, you just gotta extract with full loot and make a ton of Koen, live to fight another day, kill count doesn't matter, it's survival. Don't provoke a fight if you know you're at a disadvantage, fight dirty if you can. Do anything to win. That's this kind of game.
@st.upid_fr0g470
16 күн бұрын
nah, one should be able to go hand in hand with cheap ammo against tier 6, in Tarkov expensive protection doesn't secure you will tank all the bullets.
@Critical-YT
27 күн бұрын
It won’t die on mobile but you also forgot to compare the ammo compared to armor
@Zesty420
26 күн бұрын
I was about to try the game after a few ppl debating this. Didnt seem too bad... and now i see this video... Thank you..
@Snacks6o4
27 күн бұрын
You can P2W in EFT too, it's just hidden on websites like G2G. You can use PRS ammo into a Zabralo plate on Tarkov and it's about the same TTK.
@Sekhatt
27 күн бұрын
At least when it's third party and not allowed by ToS, only those who either don't care about their account are likely to do it and may get banned. When it's built in to the game a lot more people are going to make use of the P2W.
@lFaceless
27 күн бұрын
The game can be paid win. Hard to argue that. But no one is using PRS ammo.
@TheRealTurpy
27 күн бұрын
dawg used the worst ammo in the game against the best armor. lmfao dudes a joke
@alox1098
27 күн бұрын
Well yea it can be pay to win but it have so little impact that you don't gonna notice also nobody buy koem 10 dollars for playing 2 games and dying nahh brother the only thing you have to buy to be safe are the secure containers just don't forget to cancel de subscription I never forget about it and you have to, also the standard ammo that everyone runs is t4 and you can kill every tier very easy with t4 just t6 actually tank
@876GAME
27 күн бұрын
Exactly
@shreygirdhar9923
27 күн бұрын
@@CluxiuJoker calling someone joker. NICE
@JeuneF
27 күн бұрын
@@Cluxiuyou still got a little clown makeup on your face wash it up brother 🤡
@joox119
25 күн бұрын
Bros shoting lvl1 ammo to T6 armor 💀
@PdoxButTwo
21 күн бұрын
I haven’t spent a cent on this game and have killed multiple t6 armor players
@Kr3k3r
26 күн бұрын
Main problem autofill squad. So if you don’t wanna play with random people you will almost every match fight vs full squad. Other things sound like little girl cry. Don’t wanna donate - grind.
@meinhausbrennt1426
24 күн бұрын
zou can palz solo just need to change squads settings
@Kr3k3r
24 күн бұрын
@@meinhausbrennt1426 you can play solo, but your opponents always play full squad.
@Kr3k3r
5 күн бұрын
@@meinhausbrennt1426 no way. My point was that playing solo is disadvantage cuz you almost all time play vs full squad. This kind of game shouldn’t have matchmaking with random people.
@Moulos342
27 күн бұрын
This is why you don't use T1 ammo
@bassmanwell1255
26 күн бұрын
premium ammo is a good counter for premium armour
@DaBlaccGhost
27 күн бұрын
41 bullets at 25 yards on an any rifle let alobe an ak platform is hilariously ridiculous wtf man 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@KJ_BG
27 күн бұрын
He is using PRS one of the worst ammo in game😅
@Giupeppe098
27 күн бұрын
Thats t2 ammo against a t6 vest. Its like wanting to pierce a wall with a goddamn spoon
@KJ_BG
27 күн бұрын
@@Giupeppe098 ikr who even uses T2 Ammo on T6 bruh this guy is spreading false information 💀
@Giupeppe098
27 күн бұрын
@@KJ_BG thing is,this has been in game for 2 years counting the mobile and the closed beta. So why are people complaining about it now? I dont agree about the p2w aspect (cause its not) P2w means that you pau get an advantage only you (the one who pays) can have and f2p players wont have it,point is its not like that 🤷♂️ Evreyone can and WILL have t6 armor. Plus IF they were to buy the gear with irl money,thay would NOT be going to normal farm (where all the beginners are) they will for the most part go to harder maps, for instance armory or whatever. Im not saying that evreyone is going to buy gear just to go on forbidden/lockdown maps,cause they dont. I've encountered a thermal t6 player in normal farm (mobile version)
@KJ_BG
27 күн бұрын
@@Giupeppe098 they probably don't even check the other ammo types or they are just noobs who dont know how the ammo system works 💀
@Josh-ii7mg
27 күн бұрын
No one is using that ammo but scavs
@txantreas5477
27 күн бұрын
to be honest i can understand what your talking about but atleast for the mobile version it tries to queue u in with people with similar gear / price of gear with you and there is also the lockdown zone which those t6 gear are ussualy used for which in the lockdown zones also is a requirement to get in like your gear gotta be 150k+ but in exchange u also get a lot more gear which in my opinion if you can pay to get stuff and have this queue like system i believe its alright cause from the 30 games i have played i still have not seen a guy with anything over t5 gear
@AntonMaslo
11 күн бұрын
Unfortunatelly, 1 person buying this stuff justifies the other 99 leaving the game because of it.
@MarkoVuckovic32
27 күн бұрын
The only pay to win aspect of this game is monthly payment for a secure container. Everything else you can achieve as a f2p player.
@cmdrFRANKLY_
26 күн бұрын
You are absolutly right! Still P2W.
@dadylank7271
25 күн бұрын
Exactly, I always hated those case, but in game transactions doesn't really bother me at all
@itisrichard9732
22 күн бұрын
They only can keep maxium 6-9 slots. Not enough to make me mad since their guns gears and shts is what still in their backpack and rigs
@MarkoVuckovic32
22 күн бұрын
@@itisrichard9732 it's enough to keep at least one gold or red item which are very expensive so even if they lose everything else, they make some of the lost money back
@hubachecka
22 күн бұрын
So by that logic Diablo Immortal wasnt pay2win either because everything was achiveable and farmeable as free2play gamer. Sickening how far the gaming industry has already twisted the normies.
@taariqmartin7743
27 күн бұрын
I'm developing my own game look out for that proton and the main reason I've started is that I just want to bring gaming back to what it was buy a game and it's yours keep making there's videos it helps me a lot
@highimshadow6367
27 күн бұрын
I'm against the timed Caches, but why did you make it sound like they auto charge you when they don't? You purchase the 30 days, and once that time expires, it doesn't charge you again at the end like a monthly subscription, you actively have to repurchase the 30days. I'm not defending it, but I just didn't like the way you worded it
@Jadzim27
27 күн бұрын
100% agree, loved closed beta but now I don't even know if I wanna play it anymore
@hamez877
27 күн бұрын
ok now do it with proper ammo. Though it was common knowledge using level 1 ammo against level 6 armor is not going to work.
@TactiGamer
27 күн бұрын
I thought the definition of pay2win was common knowledge too but here we are
@Shakerini-tf7fp
27 күн бұрын
@@TactiGamer tacti i love your vids but thats not pay2win its pay2fast and if you had to face a tier 6 theres ammo like dum dum that can kill you easily even using the best stuff in the game. I think you exaggerated in your vid about this. I still think its abusive but its not that bad as you say
@hullahupp
27 күн бұрын
@@TactiGamer No, not in this case. You want boring2win or same as Tarkov: 3 bullets in chest and dead... then play Tarkov. In AB you get reearded for playing smart. You collect stuff and keep it. AB is not difficult when you play carefully.
@tranquility6789
27 күн бұрын
@@TactiGameryou actually have a skill issue
@freddiedavies6415
27 күн бұрын
@@hullahuppyou get rewarded for paying… that’s literally pay 2 win
@yestam3181
27 күн бұрын
The thing with this game is that everything is inflated in terms of in-game currency (koen) that it makes loot not worth it. Example, I went to do a loot run in Farm (normal), I got out with a 300K worth of loot (according to the end report) and when I sold everything to the market/contacts(yes, market is capped, you can list stuff 600+ per week) I barely made 80K koen. Than, if you want some mediocre loot, you must invest a minimum of 100K worth of gear and pay 20K upfront before going into Lockdown mode. You need to survive and make 120K to break the even, which realistically speaking, its very unrealisitic. If you want better loot to make money, you must have 300K worth of gear on you and pay a whopping 50K upfront before going into Forbidden mode. What I am saying is, that this game feels like it makes you spend a lot of in-game currency, Koen, to get more Koen. Eventually, you will have a couple of shit runs that you end up with no Koen so the best way to continue playing is either use your credit card or else just go naked with a pistol/shothun. Not to mention that Covert Ops (scav runs) are pointless. Most of the time you spawn without backpacks and other 'scav players' will also kill you. This game was a breath of fresh air, or so I thought, but it failed miserably as to me its pay to win.
@epifaniagomez2130
25 күн бұрын
Skill matters. If you're going into any of the lockdown or Forbidden zones makes sure that you have the skills to back your gear. In essence if you go on normal raids in farm, you can improve your aim and if you are sure to get 100k per match, then just spend it on the bullets and nades and medical equipment that you use. Once you get better skills, then you can go in forbidden or lockdown zones. That's it. You are also forgetting the imposter/covert ops. Once, I had t5 gear, with t5 ammo as well, got killed by an imposter aiming legs. So, does gear really matter here?
@yeetboi3286
25 күн бұрын
this is why only t4 ammo and above seems to be worth anything in this game, they gotta make some kinda update where your armor doesn't have the same damage reduction regardless of durability This was a problem in mobile where you could just cheese buying high level armor by just buying the cheaper ones that are already damaged since they all end up having the same damage reduction anyway
@Kermit_the_addict
17 күн бұрын
I still don’t like how delta force is call of duty but then I also don’t like how arena can be pay to win
@Wildungold
26 күн бұрын
The main problem is that AB Infinite is catering more to tarkov's gameplay than the mobile ver. These p2w options don't affect the mobile ver bcuz the skill gap is so high that the player's skill could negate the enemy's gear. But ABI looks like that it has slower movement and longer ads speeds, that it'll rely more on how good your gear is than how good your gameplay is.
@JojoSeah-x8d
19 күн бұрын
I had a ad for arena breakout infinite before the video started
@dododo8889
27 күн бұрын
Well the pay to win aspect you told us could actually be solved if matchmaking system of the game was actually based on gear value and not level. Meaning guys with 1.1 million loadouts will be matched with guys who has almost the same amount of gear value. So far that is what I have observed on mobile
@_Jump_Man_
25 күн бұрын
Paying to rent a secure container is crazy
@comert89
26 күн бұрын
I use a minimum of level 3 ammo in weapons that have it available as it atleast gives a fighting chance against players. As someone who has followed the game from cbt which i could not play due to Indian government's restrictions have realised that level 1 and 2 ammo is shit and cant do mostly anything to armor level higher than 4. Ammo is actually more important than a gun as a machinegun with level 2 ammo i could not do anything but a cheap 3k carbine with level 4 ammo shredded a whole squad at mid and long range.
@landonmancarella7476
25 күн бұрын
So I’ve been playing the mobile game for a while, bringing in T6 are usually very expensive and heavy, except that one that only covers chest. I’d say this is a fact of trying different things in the game called Armor penetration. If you try different types of ammo then base ammo you’ll have a better chance. I don’t pay for anything and I can use t4 pen ammo and kill a t6 (if I land my shots correctly). Honestly most of these points don’t matter with this cause just because you can pay to buy stuff doesn’t mean you’re gonna be better than someone. M80 7.62x51 ammo and 9mm Dum dum exist for these. Sure leg meta may suck to be good at the game, but it also just different play styles to adapt to. 7.62x51 M80 is a fairly cheap ammo for T4 pen, so I’ve tried this before in testing with a t6 that covered most of the everything takes only 8 shots to the chest which again, comes to the sake of good aim. Also another thing that exist, Grenades, GHO 2 is a fucking Grenade to be afraid of with its disregard of armor sometimes. Basically with most of this, based off personal experience, just cause you can pay for items doesn’t mean you’ll be good at the game, one of my favorite jokes of this game is someone coming in with max tier armor, fully kitted out m4 or FAL, with high tier pen ammo, just to be killed by someone with a mp5 with leg shredder ammo, or a cheap sks with a well placed shot to the face. Just because you can pay for good stuff, doesn’t mean you’ll be good at the game and pvp, there’s always good ammo that can kill high tier ppl. Sure it may suck for people with low tier ammo, but that’s called just buy better ammo. And for people worried about ammo cost, play the damn game and get money it’s all apart of the game, at least for the mobile game it literally gives out free money to people through log in events, and you can get bundles for free for t4 ammo by just regular seasonal points. In this game bringing in high tier armor is more of burden for weight, and the fact you can easily get killed by someone with low tier ammo, in the Normal mode. Basically I’ve seen very little people being in the base mode bring in high tier armor because it’s just a waist of money if you live. There’s a lot of things to be said but these are just examples of it, I could go into more of stuff with the meta of the game, but these are ease of access rather than pay 2 win. Think about it, People who are spending real money can easily be killed with a person who doesn’t spend any money, with again, a well placed shot. It’s more of (I hate to say this but it’s kinda true) being good at the game, it’s a competitive shooter after all
@KachiliJohnson
27 күн бұрын
They have missions that pay from the contacts...u aslo have weekly mission from contacts that reward u upto 35k and its 6 missions in total per week which means u can earn more than 20pk in just those ....u can do scav runs....u can trade with ur contact to buy an item for cheap amount and sell it for higher amount at the market...theres literally soany ways u can earn...u can buy a gun modify it and sell it at a higher price in the market...so stop saying pay to win.
@zeeksy6276
27 күн бұрын
If this isn't pay to win, then nothing is pay 2 win. Cope harder this is the literal definition of p2w. Not an opinion it's a fact.
@rapidvetD
27 күн бұрын
The containers are definitely pay2win but the game itself isn't pay2play
@MFBjosejuFanNumberUan2047
27 күн бұрын
@@zeeksy6276everyone can buy the same gear, no gear it's unlocked due to paying, everyone uses the same currency and can earn it for free, it's a skill issue you're talking about
@itisrichard9732
22 күн бұрын
@@zeeksy6276 Skill issue, try harder. - This was said by a F2P player
@cameroncoggin4278
27 күн бұрын
Me just playing not even looking at the "pay to win" aspect.
@saz7426
27 күн бұрын
i did that too when i started playing, but at some point, it start being imposible to ignore
@MFBjosejuFanNumberUan2047
27 күн бұрын
@@saz7426just git gut dude, what can't you ignore? I have a 20+m account just for playing for free, I can buy T7 for a lot of matchs and be comfortable with it.
@NotLegitTTV
26 күн бұрын
@@saz7426 Oh really, when was that?
@daytonsprague8425
25 күн бұрын
@NotLegitTTV when he lost a match
@timgreen5281
22 күн бұрын
@@saz7426 and what exactly you can buy with money and cant with ingame currency? I still wait to find out what is this ptw thing everyone talks about
@RoyTT
27 күн бұрын
The devs needs to watch and understand this video..
@catsmello
26 күн бұрын
He needs to understand the game mechanism first, he use useless ammo to pen good armor. It's like trying to pen Abrams using BT-5
@-RESTINPEACE
27 күн бұрын
Abi have free keychain when u complete missions Have free safe weakly market reset u can have 44 hours container When u play ranked or get exp points u can get free almost 600k In pc there is inflation so the amount of money u get is also big And u don't want to purchase any key u can get free universal key that can unlock any door , not card door . And there is no wipe like tarkov u can store everything so there is no advantage when they pay for that . And important thing u can expand your storage more than u pay to expand , u can have then when u complete missions and exchange with lexuary items u get . So there is no pay to win like compolsory u can have them with som limitation . But when u so gready about that u can buy them with real money.
@-RESTINPEACE
27 күн бұрын
And facing of paying players at first is lower here because they choose to go lockdown and forbidden for good loot . Not in free mode maps .
@zicaowastaken
27 күн бұрын
On mobile you have to pay an amount every month and you can only use secure containers. And you can get them if either you just pay monthly or get like a 3 day trial card... and that is so damn pay 2 win
@ghostly2249
15 күн бұрын
no matter the armour an mp5 with dum dum rounds can kill any player if you aim to the legs
@KINGNITRO122
27 күн бұрын
Yea I see the problem now. I’ve been playing the mobile version for about a year and I didn’t have a problem with it, but I see the pain. I mean I’ve found my ways around it, but it is p2w.
@Kevoutrn
26 күн бұрын
tbh the bullet type and rank is rly important in this game, as it is the mobile version. With high teir bullets its so so much easier to rip through the armor.
@annoyingboi
26 күн бұрын
was about to try the game after watching the latest update video where the commentary stated, they listen to the community now this
@totoflingeur01
27 күн бұрын
Like in tarkov you don’t have to put 15 to 30 bullets with shitty ammo to do anything to lvl 5 or 6 armor…. Plus, You can buy good ammo from the start and just shred those who paid…
@pendy96
27 күн бұрын
There was another view to this thing, even in Tarkov people pay hackers for stuff/help. I know it doesnt take away the problem that people pay for gear etc to imply it to the game but it also means less cheaters when done like this. Now I dont mean there wont be any cheaters and I dont support the ways Arena handels monetization, but I try to find multiple views before going into the hate train. I think the game is really good if you dont have the time to grind tarkov, it's way easier to get into and I truly hope it stays in the game scene and balances the monetization even just a little bit, for example level capping certain gear etc. Anyways thank you for your video, you have good and absolutely valid points and I truly hope this is seen by the devs too!
@smokethatgameb9937
26 күн бұрын
Thank god you did a video of this and have a channel to do so. I did this test in the firing range when the first beta test was available and I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Smfh 😏
@Revyakazero
25 күн бұрын
It’s so dumb because if you shot the legs without ammo, you would kill him in like 10 shots maybe same goes with the lower torso and the arms
@JeuneF
27 күн бұрын
As much as I hate monetization and I’ll never spend a single dime on this game, I can’t deny that it doesn’t ruin the experience and I’m still able to appreciate the game. You can make +1M in a single raid, there’s no wipe, so no necessity to buy ingame currency. Sure it’s frustrating to get clapped the first day by a T6, but in a few weeks, most players will have loads of money and only T5-6 gear. But can’t deny, fuck p2w bullshit
@thomasa.anderson4917
24 күн бұрын
You are wrong about this... I shred people with high lvl gear without paying a single penny, and im runnning a lvl 4 armor most of the time. But you are right about the damage. Instead of spending fortune on tier 6 armor just put investments into armor piercing bullets.
@jaysteeze508
21 күн бұрын
It's so bad that they make you pay just to chat with people, I think it was 20 messages free before you have to start paying 20koen per message
@Fox_on_a_Rollercoaster
27 күн бұрын
Don't forget that ABI also said that they are not gonna do anything with p2w. So I don't trust Delta Force right now. I wanna see action, not carefully chosen words in a statement. Noticed how they said the containers are "also" available for quest rewards. Both games are owned by Tencent. And all of this is a shame, since the gameplay is really really fun in ABI.
@dwightsnyder5985
27 күн бұрын
As someone who plays the mobile because I don't have a PC I don't really feel the pay to win idea holds water sure u can buy that stuff right out the gate but if u suck it doesn't matter u will most likely lose the kit it becomes pay to lose ur kit basically I've played the mobile for almost a year now and we have the same system and it doesn't really make a difference there's no complaints about it on the discord and once u figure out the game it really doesn't matter what kit the enemy has if u have more skill there's ways to take down t6 players easily with a crap gun and ammo but who knows maybe im wrong maybe it will be different on PC but if it follows anything like the mobil does it's a non-existent problem and then ur just missing out on a good game plus it's a free game they need to make money somehow or the game dies anyway
@ilysm8683
27 күн бұрын
😂 me who still win without spending money since beta test on mobile: OK.....
@pawelkapica5363
27 күн бұрын
Well it's always the same, at some point people will be fed up with the imbalance and start to leave. Then when half the player base is gone or worse they will maybe listen. When they dubbed this as F2P it was pretty clear they will go this route.
@-griffinsgaming-1974
27 күн бұрын
There’s also the monotization route that another extraction game like Ghosts of Tabor went with, basically people can purchase dlc packs that let them buy weapons not accessible to people without it, but these weapons are balanced and have a similar base game counterpart fire arm that is accessible to non-dlc owners and these dlc weapons can only be purchased in game once you level up the trader accordingly.
@klementes7572
27 күн бұрын
Exact same monetization than on mobile... Beta tests were awesome (on mobile) as you could have a safe container for free. When it officially launched... everything was pay to win...stopped playing a few weeks later... not surprising the same happens on PC.
@sokon2886
3 күн бұрын
Not paid to win, ammo types play a huge part in the game. Running T6 then getting murked by a rat with stock mp5 dum dum ammo it’s on you for exposing vulnerable areas
@glitchbyt3gaming27
27 күн бұрын
Funny how you're spreading misinformation considering this isnt a mobile port, it was made from the ground up for PC. I like your videos man, but the amount of times you start talking out the side of your neck about things that you could easily educate yourself on with even the minimal amount of effort is kinda wild. There are also very different categories of P2W. Its a hot take ill admit, but i dont see the issue with what arena breakout is doing, and im not a casual extraction shooter fan. I have 2500 hours in Tarkov alone. Yeah someone might be level 2 and spend 50 bucks to buy T7 Thermals and the "tankiest" armor but i PROMISE anyone with experience will wreck players like that. No slight against those new players either. Some people dont have the time to put into grinding out a ton of money to play with the best stuff, and they're not going to be online playing arena enough to make any noticeable difference in difficulty for other players. Once those players who paid real money to buy top tier gear get killed in raid, someone else will pick it up, and then they will die to someone else who will have it after that. Rinse and repeat. I honestly think you and alot of other people are either trying to lowkey or subconsciously gate-keep people from having fun the way that works for them all because they arent choosing to no-life the same games as you. They're not cheating, they dont have wall hacks or aimbots, and you have the same opportunity to use the same "advantage" as they do. Didnt the point of gaming used to be to have fun? I think some of yall have forgotten that fact and its honestly fucking sad.
@AbysmalEnd
27 күн бұрын
This game really did break my heart. I was so excited to play this game. I am a dad and financially well off but I cant support a game that does this. for the record I bought edge of darkness the day EFT originally launched. so I was excited for a game that allowed me to keep up with without having to play it every single day and having a map open on a second monitor and blah blah blah. I really hope they change their minds. I wouldn't even mind having system like EFT where you can play for free and if you end up liking it you can choose from 3 bundles.
@justarandomguys9477
20 күн бұрын
People need to PLAY the game and experience what pay to win it , you dont even notice it
@sunbather1576
27 күн бұрын
When I see a self-proclaimed hardcore tactical shooter with reload animations without trigger discipline and that horrendously overused rifle sight straight from the asset store, I just stay clear of it, no matter if it is P2W or not.
@shreygirdhar9923
27 күн бұрын
"Overused rifle sight" This game has 40+ sights and scopes. Don't say all are overused.
@sunbather1576
26 күн бұрын
@@shreygirdhar9923 I am (quite obviously!) talking about the sight that is shown in this footage. But not gonna lie, the other ones look like bought assets as well.
@itisrichard9732
22 күн бұрын
@@sunbather1576 Free game, no need for 60$. Play it or leave it. Thank you.
@CYBERHOUNDYT
26 күн бұрын
I don't use cases I like that you don't have to unlock equipment. I think the armor should not cover arm pits however I think the armor should perform exactly to their real counterparts I don't think stuff should be locked behind rank. I would like to see skins. I'm going to keep playing because I enjoy the game.
@sevenbutcher5729
26 күн бұрын
Its cute how they blame fathers when 99% of their players are virgins😂
@Le_monteur_PW
27 күн бұрын
Improvise Adapt Overcome leg meta is back baby
@watchinglaststand1372
27 күн бұрын
they will never change the monetization model cuz in mobile it's working just great for them (the game pub)
@tig3rjax494
27 күн бұрын
Play Delta Force Hawk ops. If you haven't already sign up for a code. It is a simple version of Tarkov but it's not paid to win. But can still bring a challenge.
@AlaiasAlias
14 күн бұрын
What makes you rage more? Lose real money paid gears to a rat, or Lose normal gears to rat? The paid currency is never the problem, stupid people got money to burn, so be it.
@T1ger-tank
20 күн бұрын
Most people is t4 t5 ammo and it take maybe 5 shots also 7.62x.51 m62 one taps any t6 helmet
@Obnax
26 күн бұрын
face shot or leg shot also matchmaking is based on Equipment or ammo type you use
@nachooos2506
17 күн бұрын
I don't think the bullet/armor tiers are pay to win. It's the case and elite(extends storage and increase your listing in the market). I played mobile version since day 1 and played all the beta tests. Of course it's a beta test, everything is expensive, even 5.56 A1's cost 2,000+ but it will probably go down to 500 when the game officially launch. This happens every beta test, scope cost 200k but when the game officially launched I doubt any scope can cost above 90k. You can get koens from the missions and contacts gives AX50(Most expensive sniper) H416 with M995, T5/T6 armor and many more. You just have to grind at first but when you hit 3-5M storage onwards you can just farm other players that you killed.
@system3378
27 күн бұрын
Bro as long as geared people will play with only geared people then it's fine. But that's not a thing at leat for now i got matched against a trio (i didn't get any teammates for some reason) and one of them was full t6 + super juiced gun when i had a small ak and full t3
@osm3008
24 күн бұрын
I started playing yesterday, i played for 6 hours, i ran into a level 13 guy wearing level 5 armor and helmet and nice kitted FAL and i one tapped him with a mosin to the neck, total loot was 1.8m. Sure its pay to get the best gear but to win you need to know how to play the game. And its not like its hard to get cash in the game, i was averaging 500k to a mil per raid, and my scav runs bring back about 500k a run and the quest rewards are also decent, i made 11mil excluding the 2mil you get at the start in those 6 hours of play. If someone wants to spend 100$ to get 10 mil instead of playing for 5 hours so be it, some people dont have the time to do that, and want to run the best gear and it's completely understandable.
@Simplypets89
26 күн бұрын
It will get better over time. Its there first creation. Im sure they will change overtime
@jaxonpierce5934
26 күн бұрын
So the other argument is that it’s also “pay2lose” with tactics and smart gameplay a well placed nade can kill a t6 player or even what I like to do it’s run Mosin with t4 ammo and the amount of player kills I’ve gotten off that has been crazy. It works both ways. Now I do agree in that it creates a lot of unfairness and it needs to stop no doubt. But instead of just using your ability to spread negativity in the game show the players the way to counter these P2P’ers
@txdeskpop
27 күн бұрын
both ABI and Delta Force are ten cent so don't hold out hope for DF till it has released as well
@seanw9425
27 күн бұрын
For everyone who is believing this game is p2w, it aint. I have played w level 5 gear on tv station and have been killed with low tier ammo countless times. Mostly rats, but it happens a lot. Gears will not help if you dont have the skills. This game is absolutely amazing. Feels bad for those who looked at this dude’s review and strayed away from it. Bro using the worst ammo against the best armor, wtf do you expect?
@hubachecka
22 күн бұрын
You can defend any pay2win game by this argument. "Gears will not help if you dont have the skills. " ... > Just switch out "gear" with "money" and "skill" with "time" in your argument and we are basically at mobile gaming practices...
@seanw9425
18 күн бұрын
@@hubachecka I only spent money and skins and I have 15+ mil storage value, it really isnt hard to earn money in this game .I actually hope people spend money to buy gear, cuz that just means more juicy loot from noobs lol.
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