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@MohammadQasim
Жыл бұрын
Shamsi doesnt let him speak. We could had learnt alot from this conversation
@MrRiz157
Жыл бұрын
Real shame this was exposing some of the misinformation which has been circulating in the park about the siffat of Allah
@الشيخناظمالحقاني-ظ4و
Жыл бұрын
Shamsi is speaking to Shaykh Noorud-deen Rashid, who dedicated years to studying under renowned ulamah in Syria, including Shaykh Samir al-Nass. Shamsi and other Duat at speakers corner should not engage in debates with Ashari, Maturidi, or Athari Shuyukh because they will be exposed as having no actual knowledge in comparison to scholars.
@wassim-akkari
Жыл бұрын
You're uppon misguidance come Habibi to the Arab world and see our scholars they will teach you true Aqeeda.
@الشيخناظمالحقاني-ظ4و
Жыл бұрын
@@wassim-akkari I've been to Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Yemen, Turkey, and Palestine, and I've noticed that the majority of the people in these regions follow the Ashari and Maturidi schools. It's worth noting that a some people who migrated to the West from these areas adopted the Athari/Salafi perspective due to limited access to scholars from their communities. However, this doesn't alter the prevailing religious landscape in these places.
@wassim-akkari
Жыл бұрын
@@الشيخناظمالحقاني-ظ4و I'm an Arab and the majority of people here don't even know the difference betweenAthary and Asha'ri. I'm very impressed how you managed to make such a conclusion, do you have any peer reviewed study that proves this supposed fact ?
@mnmussu
Жыл бұрын
@@wassim-akkari yeah exactly, what is Ashari and Matrudi? What is the debate about?
@wassim-akkari
Жыл бұрын
@@mnmussu Asharis and Maturidis are people who denies Gods attributes mentionned in Qur'an because it doesn't agree with their reason and philosophies. Atharis are following exactly what the Qr'an and Sunna says and affirms what Allah affirmed about himself without Ta'atil
@ahok123
Жыл бұрын
Shamsi never let the guy talk and says, yiu never let me finish😂 let the man talk
@SaidMetiche-qy9hb
Жыл бұрын
exactly, im algerian and don't accept shamsi because he said Ali Bilhadj is khawarij
@SaidMetiche-qy9hb
Жыл бұрын
he is right about kalam etc but i dont like how he call anyone who dont like what is happening to muslims as khawarij and talk against palestine resistance groups
@uali543
Жыл бұрын
For crying out loud, let the sheikh speak!
@MrRiz157
Жыл бұрын
The ashari brother wasn’t allowed to finish one point at all, wonder why? He was very patient and raised strong arguments but never got to finish one point.😮 Never seen Shamsi so rattled at all.
@abztommy8951
Жыл бұрын
Shamsi didn’t let the sheikh speak at all.
@kiy5278
Жыл бұрын
Shamsi is a massive hypocrite. Forced this argumentative angle to the debate so he could run away the moment he realised the Ashari he’s speaking to was a little more learned and knew what he was talking about. If the Ashari was some kid then Shamsi would have shown restraint but like he always does, when he is talking to people with knowledge he gets all angry and angsty.
@wassim-akkari
Жыл бұрын
Bro Shamsi mentionned the explanation of the prophet in the Hadith end of discussion, what else will the Asha'ri say after that. The prophet clearly explained that the chin is not what Ibn Abass says, who's more true Allah's prophet or Ibn Abass Interpretation ?
@Letusbeguided
Жыл бұрын
Why not let Nur explain it?
@muhammadjameel4240
Жыл бұрын
Shamsi spoke for 80% of the time yet supposedly never finished a sentence 😂😂😂. He spoke for literally minutes on end
@azwanfairuziyahya3433
Жыл бұрын
Shamsi needs to calm down....bad way to make daawah.
@SaidMetiche-qy9hb
Жыл бұрын
Shamsi you are talking for 10 hours then don't let other man speak
@AisyahSyiva
Жыл бұрын
are you dumb?...since 2005 shamsi speak like that, if you dont like it why come to him 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@wassim-akkari
Жыл бұрын
The other guy was interrupting as well.
@rezacny
5 ай бұрын
The Ash'ari scholar won.
@shahzaibshahzad5138
Жыл бұрын
Disgusting mannerisms by this Shamsi. Nothing but shouting to try to win his crowd over as per usual.
@kbayli.jsk1256
Жыл бұрын
as soon as shamsi is encountered with an organised debate, fulfilled by the debate usul according to islam, without any cutting or shouting, allowing both sides to speak, you will see how he will be exposed, its clear the individual on the left has much more knowledge and manners and adab of speech. ''who should we follow the prophet SWS or ibn Abbas'' and you guys take this individual seriously strawmanning at its finest, So Ibn Abbas R.A has different 'aqaid to Rasulullah SWS? This is the amazing tactics of ''we take directly from quran and sunnah'' which allows you to use the blessed tabi'een and 'ulama of ahlus sunnah when it benefits you, and to negate them when it doesnt
@wassim-akkari
Жыл бұрын
One is saying what the prophet says and the other denying Allah's attributes and follows philosophy who do you think uppon misguidance ?
@kbayli.jsk1256
Жыл бұрын
'ilm al kalam =/= philosophy, furthermore, if shamsi did say what the prophet SWS says he wouldnt have denied and strawmanned the quotation given from Ibn 'abbas R.A@@wassim-akkari
@wassim-akkari
Жыл бұрын
@@kbayli.jsk1256 Ilm Al Kalam is a rehashing of the greek philosophy. Shamsi clearly asked the misguided Ashari do you believe the prophet or Ibn Abass and the misguided Ashari refused to answer the question.
@kbayli.jsk1256
Жыл бұрын
yes because both have the same 'aqaid, why cant u say both like the ashari did? Also 'ilm al kalam was developed and even praised by the salaf, and ibn taymiyyah allowed kalam, and used kalam himself@@wassim-akkari
@BushraBicha-pc5ed
10 ай бұрын
@@wassim-akkariالله ورسوله أعلم لكن شمسي عندما بدأ الرجل يسأل قال له شمسي هل أنت أشعري هنا شمسي يذهب مباشرة للهدف أنه مخطيء في تفكيره وعلى هذا الأساس يناقش شمسي عندما يعرف خلفيتك الدينية فلا يحب أن يضيع وقته يجاوب ولا يحب النقاش بلا فائدة والأشعري أكمل المحاضرة لأن لديه ما يقوله في هذا الشأن ومن خلال شمسي سيصل للكثير من المسلمين لكن بنظريات الأشاعرة أنا مع شمسي والله أعلم
@Algerian.ARAB_48
Жыл бұрын
Debating Shia, Ahmadi, asha'raa is Wasting of Time People of Astray
@DocumentingMoments
Жыл бұрын
I see all the misguided mujassima wahabiya al khurufiyya began panicking
@thecuriousservant5549
Жыл бұрын
the brother on the left is very decent
@bemonhanchor5377
Жыл бұрын
He ran away because he didn’t know anything.
@Ali114x
19 күн бұрын
Shamsi starts running when he encounters someone knowledgeable. Why dont he debwte in a room why in public
@user-ql8fy5bj7u
4 ай бұрын
Shamsi got destroyed and his lack of adab and knowledge showed
@jkksoutheast4412
Жыл бұрын
Shamsi stop shouting and dont be arrogant
@wassim-akkari
Жыл бұрын
If you don't feel Jealous about Allah's attributes being denied by these misguided philosophers then it's your problem not Shamsi's
@unbknt111
Жыл бұрын
Interesting thing is while the Ashari is saying „let’s talk about Allah“ he points his finger to the sky 😂
@wassim-akkari
Жыл бұрын
yeah exactly 😁they contradict their Fitra to please philosophers
@kbayli.jsk1256
Жыл бұрын
how does that prove anything?
@wassim-akkari
Жыл бұрын
@@kbayli.jsk1256 It proves Allah is above which Ash'ari deny
@kbayli.jsk1256
Жыл бұрын
okay, lets first of all clear your ignorance, we asharis dont deny Allahs fawqiyyah, being above the throne at all, but its an aboveness which is inconceivable, and takes no likeness or resemblance to the creation, any above form that comes to our limited human mind is negated, that being above in a direction for example, or being spatially above residing in a space, this is incorrect, as that would contradict what it says in surah ash shuraah فِيهِ ۚ لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِۦ شَىْءٌۭ ۖ وَهُوَ ٱلسَّمِيعُ ٱلْبَصِيرُ so instead we delegate or consign the knowledge of the meaning to Allah SWT, and the ta'wil you see arent tahdid, or ma'ana kulliu haqiqi, we dont take them as that, instead its a possible meaning which can be attributed qualitatively that doesnt resemble Allah SWT to the creation@@wassim-akkari
@wassim-akkari
Жыл бұрын
@@kbayli.jsk1256 You cleared my ignorance by proving my point? You just denied the meaning of the attirbute, by deniying the meaning of the word above, attributes of Allah become empty words with no meaning. That's why you're a misguided Asha'ri. do you understand now? being above means god is up your head just like the Ahsari did by his Fitra when he tried to speak about Allah he pointed his index to the sky. The prophet PBUH asked a women "where is God" she pointed her index to the sky and said in the sky and the prophet PBUH agreed.
@BushraBicha-pc5ed
10 ай бұрын
عندما سأل شمسي هل أنت أشعري عرفت أنه لن يضيع الوقت لأنه إختصر ولا يحب النقاش مع من يخالف النص القرآني لكن المأخذ الوحيد على شمسي لو تركه يذكر الكتب ويذهب هذه معاملته مع الشيعة صراحة أعطى حديث نبوي ونص قرآني هو ليس في مناظرة صراحة يعني الشخص يسأل وهو يجيب والرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم نهى عن الجدال والله أعلى وأعلم
@MrRiz157
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been watching many of Shamsi debates but I’ve never seen him so rattled to the point the ashari brother was not allowed to finish one point.
@D23SI
Жыл бұрын
Look samshi talk, he scream, end non stop scream end bad talk to orther.. Give him to talk, samshi never give orther muslim to talk... Its tactic from samshi, when samshi non stop talk end than he go way, samshi always like rhan when debat with same muslim..
@user-vc8wi7ff1j
Жыл бұрын
Its not a debate when the other person has no fundamental knowledge of the topic, its more so a question and answer session.
@hassanfiker3396
Жыл бұрын
@@user-vc8wi7ff1jthe other person can claim you dont have fundemental knowledge……. So whos right?
@AisyahSyiva
Жыл бұрын
are you dumb?...since 2005 shamsi speak like that, if you dont like it why come to him 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@xpertdiate9982
Жыл бұрын
@@hassanfiker3396 You should learn to listen understand basic oral comprehension then you will know who have knowledge. Its like you guys are watching a different video and all you can hear from Shamsi is lalalala while your 2 index finger is in your ear.
@wassim-akkari
Жыл бұрын
The other person was screaming and interrupting as well, you misguided Asha'ri need to stop crying!
@razaali8362
Жыл бұрын
Shocking shamsi uploaded this video. Jumped topic to topic, shouted over everyone and ran off. Literally ran off. Embarrassing Okay. First the Ashari stance isn't that they dont know the meaning, rather they say we dont know the muraad (intent) Allah had in use of this word. Because it goes againts in its apparent (zaahir) clear text that has no ambiguity or differences such as "there is nothing like Allah". Secondly, the taweel done by latter Asharis was done as a possible meaning to stop people taking wrong meanings though tafweed is the Asl. So taweel was done Ihtimaalan. Thirdly why do Salafis get the benefit of doubt of context, when they do taweel but asharis dont. Asharis taweel is always according to the possible meanings of the word and considering context. For example, when Allah talks about Istiwa, its always in the context of discussing the story of creation, and we the Asharis say it can refer to the kingdom of Allah, as it has also been stated by some Salaf. Shamsi was out of his depth. He preached like a Christian rather than discussing and ran off
@Ali114x
19 күн бұрын
Their adab clearly shows , idk hiw people follow or listen to shamsi
@firstclass444
Жыл бұрын
Shamsi is so selfish and self-centred. Always trying to show monopoly of knowledge and these will definitely lead to his destruction
@wassim-akkari
Жыл бұрын
It's not about showing knowledge it's about defending the deen of Allah, when you learn Aqeeda you'll understand how dangerous these people are.
@Ali114x
19 күн бұрын
He just drops one liners and thinks he did something. He gave his point across but didnt let the other speaker finsih his
@jamesali76
Жыл бұрын
Shamsi is very rude shouting most of the time
@wassim-akkari
Жыл бұрын
That's how you should be with misguided people.
@Ali114x
19 күн бұрын
Key takeaway fromthis , shouting doesnot win you a debate
@Bism_illaah
Жыл бұрын
They run when they can't handle an intellectual argument
@tdsdave
Жыл бұрын
Cut the guys mic at the end?
@fraze83
Жыл бұрын
Shamsi got too much ego.
@faridh2125
Жыл бұрын
How can you discuss a matter this big With all this shouting ? This subject needs to be discussed calmly.. If you really doing it for the face of allah subhanaho wa taAla
@shekib49
Жыл бұрын
shamsi, let me finish, watch this, 98 percent talks crap won't let opposite talk, years of drug abuse catching up.
@modular7even
Жыл бұрын
It's a show, and we know who the showman is, why not have a respectable conversation, hear what eachother has to say, one talks, let's the other one finish, don't a use someone of having no manners when you don't have them yourself.. Hypocrisy..
@Tislyfe
Жыл бұрын
To the ppl in comments saying Shamsi is “yelling”……You do realize the mic is close to his mouth right? He will obviously sound louder.
@kbayli.jsk1256
Жыл бұрын
yeah all tactics for youtube, the louder one sounds more convincing to the laymen on yt who dont understand these matters
@charliepouridiots
Жыл бұрын
When you come to someone asking questions and half hear the answer to your First question nor the second , you have an agenda or you don't want to know ! In both cases you are a hypocrite !😅
@amakranismail9840
Жыл бұрын
Allah uma barek shamsi ❤
@Abdullah-wd6vn
Жыл бұрын
You could never win with people of innovation
@omarmiqdad5127
Жыл бұрын
Shamsi if he is rude he calls it Islam. He act ma3sum mistakeless. But he says he does mistake but when someone corrects him he hardly accepts it
@adjiedguman67
Жыл бұрын
Allah saying BE
@TheHassen12
Жыл бұрын
My dear brother, Shamsi, these Bajouris, when you discuss with them, ask them about Abu Al-Hasan Al-Ash’ari, you say to him, “Why don’t we teach our children the Book name Al-ibanna, and we are all Ash’ari, because this evil person who talks about ability and will is five types, six types of attributes, but they are rational, and all their interpretation is interpreted as a false interpretation, because they have no evidence.” Their interpretation is without evidence, as well as power. Ok, ask about life. Have you seen the attribute of life being attached to God? When he says yes, say to Him, and so are all the other attributes. There is no difference between one attribute and another attribute. We confirm it as God confirmed it on Himself. The leg. Our Lord described Himself as having a leg. But did He say that He has a leg like a leg? A creature. We seek refuge in God from this. We do not know the manner of the leg, but we know the meaning. Asking about the manner is heresy because we do not know the unseen. We have not seen it, nor have we seen anything similar to it. By what right do you interpret the attributes of God that you do not know? Have you seen our Lord yourself? If he says no, then it is said to him: Who said that he has a basis, us or the Qur’an? Where did you get your interpretations from? Give me evidence from the word of God or from the words of His Messenger. The matter is over, and after that, do not discuss it with you after that. I advise you to read their illustrious book called Jawahir al-Tawhid, by Ibrahim al-Bajouri, an explanation.
@patlimkh
Жыл бұрын
When Jesus comes back to judge the living and the dead. Mohammad will not be there to speak for Muslims. Repent! 🙏🙏🙏
@adjiedguman67
Жыл бұрын
And was
@BF109G4
Жыл бұрын
Ibn Masood and Abi Saeed Allhudri may Allah be pleased with them said that Allah will reveal bis leg (literally). The Hadith is authentic. Also the Arabs said : the war revealed it’s leg because they literally used to reveal their legs when they run in battlefield. Their is no metaphor in Arabic. Result : Shamsi is right.
@RS_Holdings
Жыл бұрын
Why do you slaughter Rams and do Haj ? Donkeyz
@muheet602
Жыл бұрын
Shamsi❤
@neomatrix4965
Жыл бұрын
Brother shamsi is a lion machalah we need more debates with this ashari we need clean the house from the snakes
@mujih7
11 ай бұрын
wahabis lol
@LETSUNITEUPONHAQQ
11 ай бұрын
No such thing kid Except is one of Allah name do you research
@TheHassen12
Жыл бұрын
السلام عليك السلام عليكم ورحمه الله وبركاته اخي العزيز شمسي هؤلاء الباجوريه عندما تناقشهم اسالهم عن ابو الحسن الاشعري تقول له لماذا لا نعلم ابناءنا كتاب الابانه و نكون كلنا اشاعره لان هذا الخبيث الذي يتحدث عنه عن القدره والاراده خمسه انواع سته انواع من الصفات ولكنها عقليه وكل تفسيرهم يؤوله تاويل باطل لانه ليس لهم دليل تاويلهم بدون دليل كذلك القدره طيب تسالوا عن الحياه هل شفت صفه الحياه ملازمة لله عندما يقول نعم قول له وكذلك سائر الصفات لا فرقه بين صفه وصفه اخرى نحن نثبته ما اثبته الله على نفسه الساق ربنا وصف نفسه ان له ساق ولكن هل قال أن له ساق كساق مخلوق نعوذ بالله من هذا نحن لا نعلم كيفيه الساق ولكن نعلم المعني السؤال عن الكيفيه بدعه لاننا لا نعلم الغيب لم نراه ولم نرى له مثيل انت باي حق تاول صفات الله التي لا تعلموها هل رايت ربنا انت نفسك؟ ان قال لا اذا يقال له من الذي قال ان له ساق نحن ام القران؟ من اين اتيت انت بالتاويل اعطيني دليل من كلام الله او من كلام رسوله انتهى امر وبعد ذلك ولا يناقشك بعد ذلك وانصحك ان تقراء كتابهم المخرف المسمى جواهر التوحيد ابراهيم الباجوري شرحا (archive.org/details/2570Pdf/page/n9/mode/2up)
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