I think as a white person, yeah we dont wanna appropriate or even steal other people's culture but we also dont wanna be uncultured. Some people might think we only are interested in our own culture and not theirs. As long as we're respectful, I dont think a white person liking another one's culture is offensive,
@DocVancouver
7 ай бұрын
Appropriation is complex but you can clearly see if someone is passing something off as their own and making money. To me that is cultural appropriation. Giving credit to the culture you enjoy and celebrate is appreciation. Respecting everyone in simple words. ❤
@CharlesGoldSkinned
7 ай бұрын
I think the Western women who loves Korea better be careful. A lot of Asian men can take advantage of your admiration and use you. We're not all prince charmings like those who you see on TV and Kpop. There are many good ones, but there are bad ones as well, and really icky ones. See through the race and be in love with your Korean boyfriend based on their character. Thankfully all the Western women that I met irl and online are smart. I dont think they would date a guy just because he's Asian.
@cjashyeah
7 ай бұрын
This is true! And I know a lot of Asian men that are very okay with white men taking advantage of Asian women. My Korean uncle has white friends and when his white friends visited Korea they asked him where can they get Korean girls and my uncle obliged!!!!! And he's a baptist Christian!!!!
@PokhrajRoy.
7 ай бұрын
Not the Oily London Jumpscare. Yikes.
@cjashyeah
7 ай бұрын
Olly is so fake. he used Jimin and now he said he reverted back to being a man. WTF.
@alexbin77
7 ай бұрын
Adding in to the subject of Cultural appropriation and what I think about Kpop I will use my dad as an example. When my dad was a teenager in the 80's, he absolutely loved hip hop. As we all know hip hop is from the African culture. It's from black people! My dad is white and he came from a very white town. Thanks to hip hop, he began making black friends, began empathizing with them and began seeing them as his equals. Fast forward years later, me and my sister loves Kpop. Without us being interested in Kpop, we would not have made friends with Asian people or empathize with them or see them as equals. Saying you would only watch white movies, listen to only white music because you dont want to offend other races I think that's counter progressive. It wont unite people but just keep them in boxes. I'm learning Korean and Mandarin right now. I dont think that's wrong at all. Look at fusion restaurants, are fusion restaurants cultural appropriation? No they are not and they have the most delicious cuisine!!!! We as humans need to intermix.
@benjaminroman916
Ай бұрын
Why would you need to appreciate their culture first to be able to see them as equals later?
@ladyspectre7170
7 ай бұрын
As a white kpop fan I think these discussions are really important. I'm really sorry that Aria was harassed in discord by some kpop fans. Maybe just to offer some perspective from my part; when I say I enjoy kpop in my predominantly white circle, I get called a weeb (shorthand for weeaboo) just because I say I like it, (and yes it nearly is always a white man saying it. I don't think an asian person has ever called me that or even cared really). They take the piss and I kind of have to just grin and bare it. From that perspective, I can understand when white people can get defensive when the topic of fetishization comes up. However, the way she infantilized Aria just gives me the huge ick. From how I try to approach cultural appreciation, is to appreciate a culture, appreciate the people who live in the culture first. For that we need to listen to the people with lived experience and grow from that conversation and do some internal work if needed so that people feel respected and not infantilized or fetishized. I really enjoyed this conversation it gave me a lot to think about and Joelle Park is so eloquent and brilliant.
@alexbin77
7 ай бұрын
Reading the comments I want to add in to what I think about Cultural Appropriation. I'm going to use Katy Perry and Logan Paul as an example. When Katy Perry visited Japan she wore a geisha outfit and a reporter asked the people of Japan if it was offensive that Katy did that. An overwhelming 100% of Japanese people said it was very okay. Then we have Logan Paul who not only made a mockery of the country and disrespected Japanese people and their culture, now that's cultural appropriation! I think it's very okay for you to wear that Ugandan dress, Merle. You're not offending or disrespecting Uganda by wearing it.
@cdocenko
7 ай бұрын
Such a great discussion! Joelle is an awesome person :)
@MerleONeal
7 ай бұрын
Joelle rocks!
@Tommy_23t
7 ай бұрын
I felt so bad for that Ugandan tailor. He made Merle that great dress and Merle refused to wear it. Poor guy!
@cjashyeah
7 ай бұрын
Responding to Merle on 15:22. I dont think you're a loser for wearing Ugandan clothing. s long as you dont do it mockingly.
@oceanwonders
6 ай бұрын
Wow, she's fantastic, so eloquent. She's clearly wrestled with the topic over the years.
@Cuflhoh
7 ай бұрын
Great topic! Around 30 minute, felt weird to me. But I think what was hard to grasp was op understanding of taking on the aapi hate as their own. You can recieve hate being in an interracial relationship and speak about it. However, it got muddled when op hasn't shared that collective experience/cultural struggles associated with the minority group and claim victim when others were trying to educate them on it.
@cjashyeah
7 ай бұрын
Responding to Aria at 40:31, you're not alone, I wanted to leave my Asian identity too. I hated it at first now I am rehabilitating and I'm trying to celebrate it. The first step is me not looking down or on Asian media and being competetive with fellow Asians that is in the same career as you. I use to think kdramas are corny. But now I actually watched and enjoyed a couple. Maybe you can learn to support and actually love Lao and Thai artists and celebrities.
@PokhrajRoy.
7 ай бұрын
BeKindRewind has great video essays on Asians in Hollywood especially with respect to Yellowface and legislated workplace discrimination.
@genericuser1432
7 ай бұрын
Weeaboo is originally a term denoting a (usually white) person's fetishization of Japanese culture. Koreaboo is indeed a play on that term. Fun fact, in WW2 history, a "Wehraboo" is a person who really fetishizes the WW2 German military. It's a thing. Seriously.
@aliciafranco2800
7 ай бұрын
Guyyyys, im a big fan of the podcast. I have watched all episodes. A little observation from an avid listener: I think the structure would benefit a lot of explaining what you understand by the topic of the episode, (e.g. fetishization), AND THEN, explaining why it is that you guys consider it taboo in public discussions. I find myself looking for your operationalization of the topic for a long time during the episode. Hope the comment helps. I admire you guys ❤
@SquirelGirlrocks
7 ай бұрын
I'm betting on this 75% percent of white or western people that is in Aria's audience loves and appreciates Kpop. Western people who loves watching Asian shows, devours any form of content made or features Asians and who loves supporting any Asian celebrity or influencer most likely, also listens and supports Kpop. I have observed that white people who dont like kpop, most likely does not watch or support any content that features Asians. Or they just treat them like a joke. Like Ken Jeong. I might be wrong but think about it, at the height of your success when you did those Buzzfeed videos, do you really know who your audience are?
@bennydictusest
7 ай бұрын
I must admit I'm not aware of this subject at all. I havent had that many experiences with Asian people but my daughter loves Kpop! I think they're swell. Reminds me back in the day when i was a teenager and The New Kids On The Block were all the rage. I dont wanna be the parent that says no you cant listen to kpop 'cause my dad and mom did that to me when I was a teenager with the things that I loved.. I respect that my daughter has good taste in music.
@elizabethcallery4301
7 ай бұрын
I remembered when President Obama visited other countries, or any other US president, they always partake of the culture there and even dress in the way people dressed in the country. That Ugandan tailor already gave you an approval and a blessing to wear that Ugandan inspired dress. I think it's okay for you to wear it, Merle. It was kinda rude to decline it if they offered it to you. What if you offered food to your guest and they said, no, I only eat my kind of food, how would you feel? As long as you are respectful of their culture when you wear it and as long as you have the people's blessing. it's okay!!!! I bet Aria's parents and countrymen back in Laos will not mind if you wore traditional Laos garb. In fact I am betting they will be thrilled.
@bennydictusest
7 ай бұрын
I think it's okay for white people to be interested in other people's culture. I admit I dont much about Asian culture but I certainly would like to know more about them. I think it's okay to partake in their culture as long you dont disrespect them or dehumanize them like what that kid Logan Paul did in Japan years ago. I mean, I know so many Asians who love and would like to know more about European culture, my culture. So why wouldn't I pay them back and be interested in their culture? It's very obvious that Aria loves European culture. I'm not offended!
@elizabethcallery4301
7 ай бұрын
Cultural appropriation does not mean you completely ignore and not partake of other people's culture but just celebrate your own, Merle. People are encouraged to partake of other people's culture! What makes it appropriation is stealing the culture and making it your own, like what we did with anime. Anime is Japanese yet when they make it into live action, all the actors are white. It's okay for you to wear a Ugandan dress but you have to appreciate the culture and be interested in the history and significance of that dress. It really sounds bad when Merle said she will not partake or wear any other clothes from different cultures because it sounds like you are not interested at all in any culture but your own. It sounded like you are disinterested in Uganda or the people living there.
@Tommy_23t
7 ай бұрын
I agree!
@Tommy_23t
7 ай бұрын
Yeah it did sound bad when Merle said she refused to wear what that awesome Ugandan tailor made for her. I felt bad for the tailor.
@KATSEYEILLIT3
7 ай бұрын
I'm honestly scared of all this diversity. I'm in the USA and I go outside and I see a lot of Asian people. A LOT. It wasnt like this before when i was a kid. Then at work i see Black people, Asian people and Latino people. Like why? Sometimes I just want to hang out and be safe with fellow white people, but then when i meet them, they got a black friend or Asian friend with them!
@tootspogsforever5590
7 ай бұрын
You need help my friend!😀
@PokhrajRoy.
7 ай бұрын
Anna May Wong was done so dirty by Hollywood. Never forget.
@KATSEYEILLIT3
7 ай бұрын
Im also scared that society is deviating from the norm. I know a lot of white people and they have black girlfriends, black boyfriends, Asian boyfriends, Asian girlfriends. It's not what I am used to. Sometime I miss the old days were things were simple. Suddenly people from different countries start arriving in my country. It's a lot to take in.
@tootspogsforever5590
7 ай бұрын
Just relax and let it flow naturally and gradually, and everything will be ok😊
@Bladblazer420
7 ай бұрын
Ahh im sorry i have to comment this but her cable from her headphones being so short, knotted and just swinging around was really distracting the whole episode. My adhd brain lol, how did no one notice / fix it? Anyways still loved watching, very interesting and definitely an important topic ❤
@KATSEYEILLIT3
7 ай бұрын
Merle, have you ever have that feeling sometimes where diversity is just too much and you just want to be with white people? To get a sense of normalcy? I know your buzzfeed friends are not all white, but do you get overwhelmed with Aria, Joyce, Fernando sometimes?
@gilbertjacobs3705
7 ай бұрын
going through the view in culture and outside other cultures. I want to love and appreciate everyone's story but it's their story and not mine to tell. I have my own culture I have my own life, but I can enjoy and appreciate the beauty of others.
@elizabethcallery4301
7 ай бұрын
Great answer!
@KATSEYEILLIT3
7 ай бұрын
Merle, have you ever have that feeling sometimes where diversity is just too much and you just want to be with white people? To get a sense of normalcy? I know your buzzfeed friends are not all white, but do you get overwhelmed with Aria, Joyce, Fernando sometimes?
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