With so many people suffering how does this not have atleast a million views. This information and this video can save people from so much mental torture. Its absolutely brilliant
@3cheeseup
2 ай бұрын
Because it is not backed by studies.
@brittniwells1303
3 жыл бұрын
Dr Greenberg. I want to thank you for normalizing thoughts. “Human experience”. It makes a world of a difference knowing it’s not the thought the occurring to us, but Our reaction to it.
@Poetic_hoops11
3 жыл бұрын
I cannot thank this man enough. Dr. Greenberg's approach is so much better and more human than what OCD therapy has done until now.
@Joethebro101
2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree! Going from habituation erp to rumination erp is a breath of fresh air!
@wavy6470
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly!! edit: and a lot more effective too!
@beautybyme1558
2 жыл бұрын
@@wavy6470 Have you undergone rumination-focused ERP? I reaaaally want to but do not live in the US so it's currently not possible.
@SnekNOTSnake
2 жыл бұрын
Classical ERP want you to develop PTSD to cure your OCD.
@ljnv
2 жыл бұрын
I think what I take from him , is that you need to spot the difference between intrusive thoughts and compulsions. When I listened to him it made sense to me because I'd do exposures and the intrusive thoughts weren't as bad but I kept thinking why the hell am I still like this. Then when I realised I was ruminating
@anamjaved8839
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dr. Greenberg! Your articles and this video have changed my life!! Thanks OCD Peers for hosting this and putting this online.
@Joethebro101
Жыл бұрын
I loved what Dr Greenberg said about not having to do “values actions” to get rid of ocd. Many of us already have moral scrupulosity issues and telling people to do “values therapy” just adds to our feeling guilty about everything.
@samealey8517
2 жыл бұрын
Dr Michael Greenberg has ultimately gamechanged OCD for me! 👏 It's not external. You have to try, it doesn't just happen to you. It's awareness. How to tolerate the thoughts. "Because I don't want to do it" is the answer to the question of why shouldn't I OCD. Rumination is a compulsion. Thank you!
@wavy6470
2 жыл бұрын
He is amazing. It's crazy how simple and yet profound his theory is. I can't believe how long I've been stuck trying to do ERP and thinking something was wrong with me.
@Acujeremy
Жыл бұрын
Isn't that typical of the medical establishment? The standard treatment or standard conventional wisdom gets blown apart but someone with basic common sense.
@careersteering
2 жыл бұрын
This makes so much sense. In 2019 I had intrusive thoughts but I didn'tl know i had ocd so I thought it was ptsd and ignored it. Even though the thoughts were still there. In a week or two i didn't even remember that happened. Whenever they came up I ignored them and carried on with whatever I was doing. Then in 2021 I started ruminating again but this time I did analyze them. I did give the thoughts too much time and got stuck in a loop. My experience really underscores this idea of ruminating being the key to ocd.
@55tranquility
Жыл бұрын
First of all I was oh man why you got to go heavy on ACT? Because I found it helpful and I also found ERP helpful. But then I went to his website and read up and thinking this really does make sense. So from all the articles he has put online i applied if all to myself at home. All i can day is shizzle my dizzle 🔥🔥! It was so effective, so, so simple and so fast it also is so logical it leaves little room for any questions. I was in a fairly good place of recovery and kind of had accepted I’m fine with living with background anxiety - but bloody hell, this is the first time my anxiety has dropped to 0 !! I also completely understand the reason for my anxiety is that rumination had become a compulsion, a safety behaviour that i could choose not to do, I saw clearly just how much I ruminated without really realising it! Its brilliant!!
@sanjayatimilsina5799
11 ай бұрын
Does that make sense?? No it doesn't. Fearing or not fearing is not my choice. I am here because I fear.. So the only way to do it is to do despite the fear. I may be anxious, I may not be, but yes I will try not to engage with rumination while I am doing exposures
@eileencasey3724
5 ай бұрын
It’s like don’t worry about it or analyzing it
@danic2514
3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes rumination feels so automatic to me and it is hard to kick. Sometimes I don’t realize im ruminating until I’m in it. Any tips?
@Wingedmagician
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been trying it and it seems to be an intuitive clicking into it. Or off of it.
@19111959
2 жыл бұрын
One very important word... VIGILANCE! Simply be vigilant...the ocd WILL try and creep in ANY way it can....sensation, image, 'related' thought ..you name in....just be vigilant...simply realise it and then IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE ...NONCHALANTLY.! In time...it'll start to lessen and fade away... When it comes up again in time...and it WILL...do the same... Another important saying that summarises this whole approach.. "Nothing has any power over me unless... ...... I GIVE IT POWER THROUGH my CONSCIOUS THOUGHT" SO the thoughts WILL ABSOLUTELY come...but whether to grab hold of it/them and give it power via our engaging with it...is up to ME...Period. Like anything profound in life...SIMPLE ...and- practice makes perfect. Another way of describing this is"cognitive diffusion" ...separating from the thought...not 'engaging' with it...let it simply FLOAT AWAY.
@yellow6100
2 жыл бұрын
I also got a word of advice :"practice" Practice noticing . Practice stopping. Also Making a firm decision that you will stop seems to help. Again ,practice,re-read what Greenberg says/relisten ,practice,re-read... until its clear!
@yellow6100
2 жыл бұрын
Dont you think that coaching yourself how to stop ruminating is neccesary ,even if you screw up and use it as rumination ,for a time? Otherwise its hard to learn all this if gonna run from that. Also on your comment "So, as soon as you become aware of your obsession don't start ruminating. " - I think also important point is ,as soon as you become aware of your obsession and that you have been ruminating ,realize that you can Always Stop ,at any point, regardless if your mind is full of already done ruminations and their momentum.You can always recall your agency and stop. Dont you think thats a needed attitude also?
@yellow6100
2 жыл бұрын
@@19111959 Greenberg has things to say against cognitive diffusion (although the way he describes it is a bit different than you in article "Why ACT and Other Mindfulness-Based Interventions are Not the Solution to ‘Pure O’ " -what do you think?) and he says mindfulness is not good for handling ocd as you cant be mindful all day long and you need to be able to say no to rumination all day long. But the way you seem to be describing it its sort of an inbetween mindfulness and Greenberg approach,no? Vigilant ,in just enough that you can recognize whats occuring and cognitive diffusion just lightly noticing it and Not engaging. Cognitive diffusion is all well and fine but may require too much effort to do all the time,no ? (Not sure yet)
@emelie2659
3 жыл бұрын
Is there any chance to be a part of these video calls or is it just for therapists?
@catq6864
3 ай бұрын
You can basically go and watch porn.. I cannot stress enough how much I LOVE this guy. 😂 His approach is what I needed. Especially because he leaves room for personal experience.. being told what I need to do and having to do it is, I think, pretty much what fuels my OCD. So.. thanks, Dr. Greenberg. I appreciate you so much!
@tijung8160
Жыл бұрын
I have neutral theme pure o… when i exposed myself to thoughts…it made my situation bad… so does it mean…in pure o… we should only do response prevention when the thought comes to mind?? Or do exposure on purpose… plz respond
@GodlessPhilosopher
2 жыл бұрын
Can we get a list of the names of the questioners? I would love to follow their social media or read their work.
@renakmans3521
2 жыл бұрын
Yea I have to say I had a severe few months of ERP and the whole habituation with a Dr from the Columbia Univ. program and it made everything worse. She had me go things that I’ll never be able to let him of because she thought, let’s just through everything at this guy because that’s the protocol. I’m going to investigate Dr. Greenbergs methods!
@zzzz546
8 ай бұрын
At 35th minute , talk on EXTERNALIZATION, My view : Externalization is both good and bad . It depends on how we use it . For example when OCD intrusive thoughts hit , we label it as OCD and it's not me its good to detach or not sink in OCD thought . When you use I have OCD in a worry some way and ruminate on it, it's bad. So what he says in the video is Just considering intrusive thoughts as normal human experience, it may be true for intrusive thought but OCD is much more than that it's grown or complicated intrusive thought rather let's say Inferal confusion with Rumination with large amount of Anxiety . It's not that easy or its makes further guilt and confusion on accepting as human experience. So all the teachings or knowledge has to be used wisely. It's like you have to move , how ? In water by swimming and in sand by walking . It's not the same but results are same you are moving.
@GodlessPhilosopher
2 жыл бұрын
Who is underneath Neil? I really like her approach and would love to follow her on social media to learn more about her work.
@ispasbianca4984
9 ай бұрын
Same question. Do you have the answer? :)
@vincentvuong7641
4 ай бұрын
How to mentally let go of a thought after direct attention?
@yellow6100
2 жыл бұрын
I have a question. What other video on your channel can I watch that discusses or applies Greenberg approach besides the 2 videos where he is?
@lindaraesmutz4929
Жыл бұрын
You can find more on him via The OCD stories
@sanjayatimilsina5799
11 ай бұрын
U are able to not engage only once U develop the skills of not engaging through ERP. Yes not ruminating and not engaging is Key, but that is through ERP isn't it.. I just won't have skill capacity to not engage if it bothers me so much.. It can only be done after I am exposed to my fear.. Essentially U are saying what ERP and ACT says
@yark618
5 ай бұрын
I don’t know the ins and outs of the theory, all I know is by definition you have the capacity to not do something - in this case not engaging your analytical mind. Yes the urge to do something may be fierce, but I think that is the exposure which happens implicitly.
@scotchvelo
2 жыл бұрын
I have a very specific fear having to do with romantic relationships. I've been doing "exposure" my entire adult life in relationships. I've done "fake it till you make it." It's never gotten easier, in fact, it makes me more uncomfortable than ever. Maybe traditional exposure works for some people. For me, it's made me worse.
@wavy6470
2 жыл бұрын
Same. I think "exposing" ourself in some ways can even be a compulsion!
@SnekNOTSnake
2 жыл бұрын
Just know that Classical ERP has 50-60% of relapse rate in a span of 5 years.
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