A couple comments. As mentioned in the manual, you want the flap movement to accompany the elevator movement; when you start the climb you are at the greatest angle of attack and the last thing you want is to have the flaps at -2 all the way, particularly when your speed has already decreased a lot. Second, the landing flap allows for steeper approach but NOT a shorter landing, as you will always waste runway on the longer flare. It's good to know it for the odd case of an approach over obstacles, but better and shorter landings will be achieved with flap 4.
@allardwp
2 жыл бұрын
thanks, you are completely right. I should have adjusted the flaps first, before handling the landing gear.
@zendesigner
2 жыл бұрын
for the landing flap setting you are wrong. it depends on what model asw 20 you have. if you have the A like mine with the “oh Jezus” 55 degree flaps approach is very steep and your flare is very short.. another remark is dont do flybys opposite of landing directions accross the field.
@tinchote
2 жыл бұрын
@@zendesigner I guess "wrong" is relative. I flew several hundred hours on the ASW20F (which as far as I can tell is identical to the original) including lots of cross-country and competitions. I was able to do very short landings on flap 4 (the "thermal one") and never equally short on flap 6 (the landing one). The very steep approach definitely made for a longer flare, as I noticed not only on my own flying but other pilots, too. I don't think I ever saw someone achieve a very short landing on flap 6, compared to flap 4: higher speed, steeper approach, longer flare.
@zendesigner
2 жыл бұрын
@@tinchote i think the asw20 f is the same as the asw20 b or c. they removed the dangerous flap setting in those. so we are talking about different settings. i have -2, -1, 0, thermal +8 degree, landing 1 + 33 degrees, landing 2 +55 degrees. yourspeed argument cant hold true, cause your landing speed is related to windgradient and not angle of decent of the plane. in the “oh jezus” +55 degree setting your asw20 A has an angle of decent of almost 50-60 degrees and you still fly 90-100 km/h decending. but when you flare your speed deletes so fast it’s actually dangerous if you wrongly estimate your flare. its like flying with a brake parachute and should only be done in cases where you only can do that steep landing. as you also almost need to stall to get the lever in that position and they had some accidents with it they removed that setting in the next versions
@zendesigner
2 жыл бұрын
@@tinchote the asw20f was simply a asw20 made in lease by the french company pegase. its the same besides the dashboard design. that cooperation ended when pegase stole the body mold of schleicher and manyfactured a non-flap wing for it to call their new aeroplane pegase. both hulls are exactly the same
@nicholaskennedy4310
Жыл бұрын
Love a good dust Up, good Job!
@kota5510
Жыл бұрын
@tinchote @zendesigner In the end, which one is correct? I want to know the landing point of this argument. The landing in the poster's flaps was excellent.
@georgedowning1803
8 ай бұрын
@kota5510, Tenchote is chatting rubbish. More flap = more drag + lower stall speed = shorter landing. Albeit a little more tricky to pull off. Regarding “changing flap before pulling up” is a good way to end things. VNE changes with flap, if you move it too far the wings will snap (has happened before). Best leave them until you free up spare capacity. The glider will still fly in flap 1, but not if you go past VNE cos you have changed to flap 2 and reduced your VNE by 30knts.
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