Im kind of disapointed that the Empire didn't actually name a star destroyer "The Child Stealer".
@rebelappliance771
Жыл бұрын
Maybe the first order would.
@BennyLlama39
Жыл бұрын
You sure you're not thinking of the Jedi, instead? 🙂 (I know, they wouldn't; I'm being a smart@$$.)
@holographicmeatloaf1596
Жыл бұрын
No that's what you'd name a Jedi Starfighter
@OriginalBear
Жыл бұрын
The Empire is would name it something like "Youngling Slaughterer"
@chewy99.
Жыл бұрын
@@holographicmeatloaf1596 sounds like The First Order’s business…
@grandadmiralzaarin4962
Жыл бұрын
I'd point out that the Imperial Navy was heavily inspired by the British Navy and you'll find no shortage of 'Evil' names there, Implacable, Erebus, Terror, Demonic, Ruthless, Fury, Retribution...there's a LONG list of British war vessels with outright evil names. Further, Tyrant wasn't always a negative title, it was a legitimate and honorable title position in ancient Greece for example.
@trollerpilotxiv3079
Жыл бұрын
I'm just waiting for the H.M.S. Skullfucker
@Sephiroth144
Жыл бұрын
India, Argentina, Zimbabwe, Nigeria, Jamaica, etc... Are you SURE you're not the baddies?
@rommdan2716
Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the British Navy have done pretty messed up stuff, also why are you defending the Empire?
@richieThach
Жыл бұрын
And there's the HMS Cockchafer
@Janoha17
Жыл бұрын
The Tyrant is one who usurps power.
@jakedempsey3809
Жыл бұрын
Man, I was really hoping to learn the lore behind my favorite ship, the Child Stealer
@MercenaryPen
Жыл бұрын
for the record I preferred her sister ship the Youngling Immolator
@ladygrey7425
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelandreipalon359 Hey, don't do Tyrion Lannister dirty like that! >:(
@toptiergaming6900
Жыл бұрын
Only lore I know is that it was given too Luke to help build the new jedi order (in cannon timeline) and was given to Rey Palpatine for her new order
@Rawkit_Surgeon
Жыл бұрын
@@MercenaryPen The creepy uncle ship called *The Underwear Taker*
@charlescora7458
Жыл бұрын
Just ask your parents
@Treveli45
Жыл бұрын
'Evil' sounding names may not be purely for evil's sake. The Royal Navy had ships named Tyrant, Dictator, the French le Terrible. They're picked for intimidation more than to say 'we're the bad guys'. Also, given the fleets are galaxy spanning (25k ISD's per old cannon), repeat and more inventive names would popup a lot. Three or four ships named Revenge, but for three or four different classes of vessel.
@noahhelsee1340
Жыл бұрын
you're never going to believe this
@Sephiroth144
Жыл бұрын
*former British colonies* Are you REALLY sure you're not the baddies...?
@rommdan2716
Жыл бұрын
How are the french not evil?!!
@MonkeyJedi99
Жыл бұрын
I present to you, HMS Warspite!
@Cpt_Boony_Hat
Жыл бұрын
See USS Dictator of the Union navy
@jenniferstewarts4851
Жыл бұрын
Subjugater is actually not bad for a capitol ship. Especially an Ion based ship. A ship that conquers through force of arms then takes slaves. So if we go with the lit interpretation, Subjugater cruiser would disable enemy ships, capture them and use them against the enemy in later battles.
@inkedseahear
Жыл бұрын
Can't it be the "Disabler"? The "Disarmer"? The "Subduer"?
@screamingcactus1753
Жыл бұрын
@@inkedseahear Those names aren't very intimidating, though. "Subjugator", despite its poor connotations, is both accurate and scary.
@cal593
Жыл бұрын
Subjugation isn't necessarily slavery, either. It's just being forced to submit.
@Kamiyoda
Жыл бұрын
This idea sound good on paper but does really work with Star War's ridiculous crew sizes.
@Eric-ch6gq
Жыл бұрын
I want to think Grevious named it, and subtlety really wasn't his thing. I was thinking of the Malevolence. Sorry about that.
@afancypirate7754
Жыл бұрын
I mean, in real life there was a ship called HMS Terror. To be fair it was a ship literally designed to destroy forts by bombarding then with mortars, which sounds pretty terrifying.
@JM-mh1pp
Жыл бұрын
Hey, Terror to our enemies... so... you know, I agree, not particularly "good" name but you could argue about it. But "Corruptor"? Dude this ship literally represents the empire... as in...rule of law. How is it "corrupting" anything?
@barney10240
Жыл бұрын
Isn't that also the same type of ship that also doom it crew too?
@afancypirate7754
Жыл бұрын
What?
@barney10240
Жыл бұрын
@@afancypirate7754 The one in 1813 that stuck on an ice sheet in Antarctica.
@afancypirate7754
Жыл бұрын
Oh that. Yeah they used mortar ships to explore the arctic because they had extremely strong hulls and decks for their size, so they had a better chance to survive the ice.
@DMoney13331
Жыл бұрын
Eh, I'm willing to give the CIS subjugator a bit of leeway since it is basically "subjugating" enemy ships with its ion cannons, though it would definitely be at least a double take name
@Janoha17
Жыл бұрын
It's one of those names that makes it pretty clear there is a Sith Lord running the show.
@inkedseahear
Жыл бұрын
They also did want to keep it a complete secret.
@skomolowski
Жыл бұрын
@@Janoha17 As if the Sith were the only bad guys in Star Wars, The Hutts could use that name and be even more spot on seeing as in the later stages they ONLY used slave-soldiers or mercenaries.
@Furzkampfbomber
Жыл бұрын
Somewhere in the headquarters, an official of the Empire is looking at a roster: 'So, the Plague Bearer and the Eviscerator go on the disaster relieve mission, the Orphanator is helping the families trapped on that burning planet and the Divide and Conquer and the Death to Xenos are being send on that super important diplomatic mission. Perfection...'
@Cpt_Boony_Hat
Жыл бұрын
See Drachinifel video on HMS Terror
@MrTapkomet
Жыл бұрын
I love "The Orphanator" And yeah you imagine that the ships would sometimes be deployed on fairly benign missions so it's a funny image.
@Furzkampfbomber
Жыл бұрын
@@Cpt_Boony_Hat Will do, I was watching a lot of his vids in the last time anyway, so why not going on with this one next. Thanks for the tip! :)
@anirudhashok3332
Жыл бұрын
@@MrTapkomet the empire will send an emissary for the 100th year of peace in 5 days He will arrive on the ORPHANATOR accompanied by the destroyer PEACEBREAKER
@KaiHung-wv3ul
Жыл бұрын
@@anirudhashok3332 And the Super Star Destroyer Warhawk don't forget....wait a second that's actually a great ship name I'm gonna write it down....
@drxtale9446
Жыл бұрын
The empire’s engineers thought. “Y’know, screw it. It’s easier making the names evil than finding friendly, more civilized names.”
@DarkWizard83
Жыл бұрын
"Evil" sounding names are actually some of the most fun names to come up with for a sci-fi ship. It's one of the reasons I still like playing Star Wars Rebellion to this day.
@drxtale9446
Жыл бұрын
@@DarkWizard83 neat
@JM-mh1pp
Жыл бұрын
My headphones are...of questionable quality so when I first heard the new republic name of ship (Emancipator) what I thought I heard was "Emaciator" and I was like...yeah...sure... a "good" name.
@neroisntdead3681
Жыл бұрын
Imagine getting a ship that can destroy planets and its name is Grace
@DarkWizard83
Жыл бұрын
@@neroisntdead3681 "Eh, sounds just like my ex-wife."
@TheWarmachine375
Жыл бұрын
The Empire needed such fearsome names of the Imperial Navy to strike fear into the hearts of everyone that opposed its rule in the galaxy after all.
@inkedseahear
Жыл бұрын
Tarkin Doctrine: We'll use fear to bring the Galaxy in line Empire: ...So we could bring order and prosperity later, right? Tarkin: Order and prosperity? Hmmm, yes, of course.
@AdamSmith-kq6ys
Жыл бұрын
There's other ways to do it, though - for example HMS _Dreadnought_ - means "fearless" - and then there is an actual HMS _Fearless_ - the Royal Navy has a _bunch_ of good ship names. Just from the current crop of D-class destroyers we've got _Daring_ _Dauntless_ _Dragon_ and _Defender_ amongst others.
@tobiasstrnad6032
Жыл бұрын
@@AdamSmith-kq6ys yeah but the empire had around 25000 ISDs not all capital ships but just ISDs, so even if they tried naming them less evil they would and probably did run out of non-evil names pretty fast
@AdamSmith-kq6ys
Жыл бұрын
@@tobiasstrnad6032 Yup, that's when we introduce place names. The Napoleonic-era French navy would name a ship after the region that did the fundraising for it, iirc. Also gives the crews somewhere to be proud of, and the home port a ship to be proud of (The city of Sheffield, for instance, normally helps outfit HMS _Sheffield_ with some items manufactured in the city)
@aoconnor2933
Жыл бұрын
We do similar in the USA military in real life
@CamillusofRome
Жыл бұрын
When I was in high school, I created a database of ship names and types and faction allegiance (yup, nerd). I noticed some of the same things back then. "Are we the baddies?" indeed!
@nicholasfarrell5981
Жыл бұрын
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDD!
@magicaltactician6176
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mind seeing this database.
@CamillusofRome
Жыл бұрын
@@magicaltactician6176 if I still have it backed up somewhere, it would be in a Windows 98 era file format for whatever precede Excel as Microsoft's database/spreadsheet program. Good luck opening it!
@CamillusofRome
Жыл бұрын
@@nicholasfarrell5981 yup. I even translate movie titles into Latin
@liamcullen3035
Жыл бұрын
@@CamillusofRome that is awesome!
@darrencobb5036
Жыл бұрын
I think Wedge hit the nail on the hammer Wedge Antillies: “Admiral, have you ever wondered why the Emperor gave such nasty names to his Star Destroyers? Executor, Agonizer, Iron Fist, Venom?” Teren Rogriss: “I’ve heard every schoolboy theory ever proposed on that matter.” Wedge Antillies: “This one comes from Luke Skywalker-” Teren Rogriss: “Having exhausted the schoolboys, we now turn to the farmboys? How charming.” Wedge Antillies: “-who has a certain perspective on the matter the rest of us don’t. He thinks it all has to do with corruption, with the seduction of the not-too-unwilling.” Allston, Aaron. Starfighters of Adumar:
@DIEGhostfish
Жыл бұрын
I love Allston's work, and Starfighters of Adumar may well be his best.
@seawind930
Жыл бұрын
"Put a man or woman in a situation where the actions he's obliged to take, such as serving Emperor Palpatine, are a certain path to personal corruption. Fill his ears with words saying that his actions are honorable ones, but surround him with constant reminders of the wrongness of what he is doing. Our victim will cling to the words but will, at some level be aware of the wrongness- He can't escape it. The symbols such as the names of the ships he commands, won't let him forget. He's always aware of his descent, of his slow transference to the Dark side" The whole convo between Rogriss and Wedge is Chef's kiss.
@DIEGhostfish
Жыл бұрын
@@seawind930 Now mind, some of the names are scary/evilish but only to the point of being intimidating.
@Theology.101
Жыл бұрын
Look, if palpatine just went through the effort of acting like he did as Chancellor and ruled with a parades and bread mentally none of this would happen The dark side is the route for people who take the easy way of force learning instead of actually trying
@demi-femme4821
Жыл бұрын
This is why the Sith can't govern. The only time it kind of worked was when the emperor was literally immortal, and he ended up deciding to kill everyone but himself.
@Theology.101
Жыл бұрын
@@demi-femme4821 i’d argue that Ye Olde Sith Empire and the New Sith were also not particularly awful. Like, they are absolutely evil and horrible dont get me wrong, but the feudal style of them makes it more like a Holy Roman emperor “fight over the Jen’ari tile” instead of fascists. The Calimindra Family and Ludo Kresh dont have the time to organize mass torture of their own citizens, they’re busy trying to protect their thrones from external threats. Which, ironically, makes them more stable
@demonicaxeman7264
Жыл бұрын
It's not a matter about if the Dark Side being easy, it's just that emotional swings compliment the dark side. It's easy to lose control of emotions and with the force involved, that becomes a threat even to powerful Jedi. Even some of the Sith understood that uncontrolled emotions can lead to their own downfall. We can see from Tales Of The Jedi that the Jedi Order has severe weaknesses of their own and that is despite their emphasizes on discipline.
@Theology.101
Жыл бұрын
@@demonicaxeman7264 i dont disagree about the flaws of the Jedi, i actually think dooku’s original canon back story expands that even more (Jedi Lost slaps hard), but thats why the Jedi tried to stay out of ruling. Yoda and Plagueis both agree that dark side is the quickest path to power - because you do not need to be smart, skilled or well practiced to be a strong Sith Lord. Darth Sion was a barely sentient ball of hatred and had phenomenal power because he was too pissed - he didnt work for that, nor did he earn it. Jedi are also trying to make their emotions matter less, hence their lack of attachments
@inkedseahear
Жыл бұрын
Pretty hard to maintain parades and brea when it invites cruel governers. He wanted the Clone Wars to draw out cruel, ruthless, and efficient men. They did, as Tarkin went "yo what if we're just like evil and made everyone hate us?"
@kagetemplar
Жыл бұрын
I have two thoughts on the matter. 1: In fiction things like ships names are useful to inform the viewer/reader about the nature of the entity in question with out having to rely on narration. So if you wanted to inform an audience about that a ship has evil intent before being directly exposed to it you can call it the "pillage" or something. Doesn't really apply to star wars since I don't think they mention any empire ship names in the OG trilogy. Halo CE used this a lot. 'Pillar of autumn' suggests a ship past it's prime, in it's autumn years if you will. Fighting the 'Covenant' and it's ship 'Truth and Reconciliation' tell the player they are up against religious fanatics without having to say it. 2:Many military ships IRL have been named with intimidating names. The Royal navy has used had ships named, among others: Conqueror, Terror, Revenge, Vengeance, Savage, Spiteful, Scourge, and, just like Star wars' Empire, Tyrant. Even though the British empire certainly has a laundry lists of dirty deed, it's quite safe to argue that they didn't see themselves as the bad guys.
@dartherebus7624
Жыл бұрын
One of the older Star Wars video games, Rebellion, allowed you to name capital ships, which I enjoyed. For the rebels it was always something positive like "Liberty" or "Freedom.". For the Empire it was a mixture of mythical beasts like "Gorgon" or "Dragon" and the more sinister names you mentioned like "Iron Fist" or "Devastator.". It's a feature I miss when Empires at War came out, and I wish a new Star Wars strategy game could be made bringing this feature back.
@shrilleth
Жыл бұрын
the Empire at War Expanded series of mods for Empire At War (Thrawn's Revenge and Fall of the Republic, plus unreleased mods Imperial Reign and Revan's Revenge) let you do that.
@valemontgomery9401
Жыл бұрын
are you saying that the Empire itself was being corrupted to the dark side by Palpatine, so much so that they casually named their ships after evil terms?
@kylepessell1350
Жыл бұрын
I believe that Palpatine spent a majority of his time as Emperor conducting large scale Sith rituals and experiments that definitely had a side effect of increasing dark side corruption across the galaxy in his quest for personal power. It wouldn't surprise me if his influence (both direct and indirect) caused morals in the Empire to just flat out decline.
@zogar8526
Жыл бұрын
@Kyle Pessell while that is possible, and back when most of the eu and original movies were made, may have been considered. To be honest, it isn't needed. Just take a look at the world today. People will do all kinds of horrible shit and pretend it is fine, just because they can get away with it. No force magic is needed to explain why the citizens largely went with it. It is sadly human nature.
@kylepessell1350
Жыл бұрын
@@zogar8526 I'm just pulling from Star Wars lore here. There was plenty of 'normal' corruption during the Republic era but Darth Sidious made things worse deliberately and reveled in doing so. Citizens would have been forced to go along with any type of authoritarian government but what Palpatine did was deeper than that. He was ingraining his semi-religious ideology into the very social fabric and command structure of the galaxy even before he became Emperor.
@legoforbeginners6950
Жыл бұрын
I remember in the Bacta War when the Virulence was captured, General Cracken told Booster Terrik something along the lines of "for god's sake at least change the name."
@nicholasfarrell5981
Жыл бұрын
Wasn't that the red one, Booster's Star Destroyer? What did he end up naming it again?
@legoforbeginners6950
Жыл бұрын
@@nicholasfarrell5981 Errant Venture
@nicholasfarrell5981
Жыл бұрын
@@legoforbeginners6950 oh yeah, thanks.
@aralornwolf3140
Жыл бұрын
@@legoforbeginners6950 , It was a very Errant Venture for sure... he could barely afford to maintain the core systems!
@Marveryn
Жыл бұрын
i guess the new republic were not a strong believer that changing a ship name will curse it.
@razorburn645
Жыл бұрын
From famous names like: Devastator, Chimaera, Adjudicator, Admonitor, Death's Head, Inexorable, Relentless and Blood Fin... to this.
@razorburn645
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelandreipalon359 It is a native predator of the Imperial capital.
@AtlasAS7D
Жыл бұрын
There was also an ISD named Judicator that was part of Thrawn's personal Star Destroyer Squadron in the original Thrawn Trilogy if I remember correctly. Been a while since I read them.
@DIEGhostfish
Жыл бұрын
I mean Devastator's up there. It's also a Decepticon,
@D2RCR
Жыл бұрын
@@AtlasAS7D There was a Judicator and an Adjudicator (misspelled Adjucator in some materials), which is not at all confusing.
@GuineaPigDan
Жыл бұрын
This is a galaxy where villains have names like Maul, Tyranus, Sidious, Plageuis, and Grievous. Therefore their spaceships must also have in-your-face evil names.
@cielopachirisu929
Жыл бұрын
Can’t forget Moralo Eval
@anirudhashok3332
Жыл бұрын
Scabrous
@Deltarious
Жыл бұрын
I will defend some of the names such as "Subjugator", as this is very context sensitive. To 'subjugate' your enemy is to entirely overcome them and have them at your mercy, which is a very bold and strong action, and as such it makes sense for a warship of high enough stature. The fact that you can read this two ways as a double meaning is both thematically relevant and also broadly applicable to real life ships and vessels, for example there was an HMS Adversary, which if it was in fiction I'm sure many people would call 'too on the nose', and there are many similar examples (HMS Dominion, anyone?)
@werelemur1138
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Palpatine considered naming a ship the Karen, but decided that that was too scary even for the Empire.
@saucevc8353
Жыл бұрын
Karen: "I WANT TO SEE THE MANAGER!" Palpatine: _"Please don't tell her I'm home"_
@jimmysmith2249
Жыл бұрын
@@saucevc8353 "Go for papa Palpatine... oh shit, its that bitch. Vader, its for you!" - Palpatine, probably.
@hosmerhomeboy
Жыл бұрын
LOL. The imperials are a bunch of managers, they HATE karen.
@triandfit1
Жыл бұрын
🤣
@triandfit1
Жыл бұрын
@@jimmysmith2249 🤣
@jarrodreed8183
Жыл бұрын
IIRC there was a book that spoke about the ship names for the star destroyers, cant remember which one it was off the top of my head. The jist was that The emperor WANTED people serving on ships to be negatively effected by the names as a power move. In order to wear down resistance to the darker sides of the empire as well as making sure that the people serving knew who had the power and why.
@MercenaryPen
Жыл бұрын
if I remember correctly that was a conversation between Wedge Antilles and Admiral Teren Rogriss in the book Starfighters of Adumar- unless I'm thinking of a different discussion of the same subject
@joshsholes2674
Жыл бұрын
I want to say that was Wedge repeating a theory they'd heard from Luke, and I can't remember which Rogue Squadron novel it was in--Starfighters of Adumar, maybe?
@andrewz5981
Жыл бұрын
Yes, I was just thinking of this!!
@chrissonofpear1384
Жыл бұрын
@@joshsholes2674 Yes, that's the book. Luke said the Emperor wanted officers told certain inspiring messages, and then to be surrounded by reminders of the brutality inherent behind it, to mess with them, and remind them of who they really served, until it was 'normalized' basically.
@ironxcrosss
Жыл бұрын
I remember seeing this conversation in one of the books (I think it involved something with the sun crusher) like someone is saying g to a scientist developing these weapons "you really think they call them these things for the sake of peace?" Kinda 4th wall esq but hit me as funny
@Beohun
Жыл бұрын
It was Han Solo to one of the scientists who helped design the Death Stars and Super Star Destroyers
@Nintendoggy
Жыл бұрын
The Nostril of Palpatine.
@andrewz5981
Жыл бұрын
I think there was a rogue squadron book where one of the characters speculates palpatine purposefully chose ignoble names to subconsciously create anguish among the imperial officer corps so deep down they’d know they were indeed the baddies.
@screenname8267
Жыл бұрын
Starfighters of Adumar.
@guiltyofbias8818
Жыл бұрын
@@screenname8267 damn good book
@simonnance
Жыл бұрын
It's a conversation between Wedge Antilles and Rogriss, recalling a previous conversation that Wedge said he had with Luke Skywalker. I'll copypasta it when I get a moment.
@SerialSnowmanKiller
Жыл бұрын
I was looking for this comment. Darn, that means I won't be able to post it myself. XD
@kostyabenson4308
Жыл бұрын
The first order had a destroyer named Absolution, which I’ve always found to be a great, “multi layered” name for a flagship that carries across both the ship’s power and your philosophy regarding it’s use.
@violetlight1548
Жыл бұрын
I have a class of ships in my Empire of the Hand fanfics called the Spiral-class Star Destroyers, and each individual ship is named after a Transformer (usually a Decepticon), like the Thundercracker, the Shockwave, the Starscream, etc. The Spiral class was designed to hunt for Yuuzhan Vong, and naming them after a race of fictional *machine* lifeforms was another psychological tool against the tech-hating invaders. I also came up with a new class of Super Star Destroyer borrowing a lot from the Eclipse (a super laser strong enough to take out a Vong Worldship, and built in interdiction technology) , but with a few differences, like the ability for several normal sized Star Destroyers to *dock* right onto the big ship. The first in the class was built as the flagship of the entire Empire of the Hand fleet, and was named the Renaissance, in honour of its would-be commander and his love of art.
@user-po8ri5pq9g
Жыл бұрын
What's the story name?
@Drave_Jr.
Жыл бұрын
I would like to read that
@angelapolinar5343
Жыл бұрын
You and me, we need to start a contest of who can make & describe the best Star Destroyer. I have so many designs...
@spectra5407
Жыл бұрын
Would the flagship be called The Megatron?
@FHT1883
Жыл бұрын
no hate but your SSD sounds a tad OP (which, granted, is a problem with the vast majority of fan-made ships)
@Kensen_Ackles
Жыл бұрын
Thrawn's ship wasn't so bad, it sounded like a legit ship name meant to inspire allies and intimidate enemies, The Chimera
@pitied3744
Жыл бұрын
I also like the implications of the Thrawn doctrine too Instead of having your enemies fear you through rumors you show them why they should fear and respect you
@thundercricket4634
Жыл бұрын
@@pitied3744 Yeah, Thrawn possessed true genius. He didn't have to resort to rumors or inflated myths of himself to scare his enemies. He just had to show up and then demonstrate that he was the very best there was. Nothing scarier than knowing you're mortal enemy is genuinely talented to a degree that he's the WAY out of your league. He didn't need to worry about scaring his enemies because he knew it was well within his power to simply beat them through sheer competence. Ironically making him very scary.
@memento81
Жыл бұрын
@@thundercricket4634 that is a lesson so little of Star Wars media has understood to use to full effect. The empire by its sheer power base alone is already incredibly dangerous and terrifying. You can enhance that impression by having someone very consciously and competently wield that power or you can undermine it by putting irrational space warlocks in charge who are too self-absorbed to use all that military power effectively. Since Thrawn Dedra and the ISB security board are the first major Star Wars villains to take that into real consideration.
@anotherHelldiver
11 ай бұрын
Isn’t it spelled Chimaera tho?
@DomWeasel
Жыл бұрын
Before the post-WW2 period, warships were always given aggressive names. It's supposed to frighten your opponent even before you start fighting. If you're fighting a ship called Revenant, it's going to strike a very different chord than if you're fighting a ship called Papillion (Butterfly). It's why so many pirate ships were called Revenge. I mean, look at the modern Royal Navy's fleet. Would you rather face HMS Astute, or HMS Vengeance in combat? HMS Dragon or HMS Duncan?
@fyeahusa
Жыл бұрын
What's funny is that of all the ships they captured, the New Republic decided to keep the Lusankya's name as it was. Also I definitely remember it being mentioned at one point in a book, but I can't remember which one, that it was possible Palpatine was purposefully wanted this ships to have these more blatantly evil names so that crew assigned to them would be constantly asking themselves if they were the bad guys thus corrupting them through their uncertainty and feeding the dark side.
@minimalbstolerance8113
Жыл бұрын
Worth mentioning that in Star Trek, the United Federation of Benevolent Space Hippies also has a starship class called Sovereign... (the most famous of which being Picard's pimp wagon, the USS Enterprise E)
@MagicScientist
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, sovereign isn't really a evil leader name, it just means whoever has the authority to make the rules. All nations, even democratic ones, have sovereignty or the authority to make the rules within their own territory, however they chose to do that.
@CardboardSliver
Жыл бұрын
They also had a tactical escort (see space gun boat basically) called a Defiant.
@jenniferstewarts4851
Жыл бұрын
Looking at brittish battleship names Conqueror Black Prince Devastation Dreadnought Inflexible Repulse Irresistible Revenge Vengeance Lots of "evil" names there
@ArkaSaurusRex218
Жыл бұрын
There's also terror and Erebus, but on the other hand there was the bellephron, the Perseus, and the Hyperion.
@watermelongaming3698
Жыл бұрын
"Inflexible"
@Ordoabchao-x9k
Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile Spain: santisima Trinidad (holy trinity), sta Maria, la niña (the girl)
@nickmalachai2227
Жыл бұрын
And just like the Galactic Empire, completely evil.
@Pabloski483
Жыл бұрын
@@Ordoabchao-x9k The name of the ship actually was "Nuestra Señora de la Santísima Trinidad", "Our lady of the holy trinity", which is apt since like 90% of Spain's ships have either the name or their alias have something to do with religion lol
@justinweber4977
Жыл бұрын
The best part of the the World Devastators is that they were also called "Planet Smashers". Though one of the EU novels has a researcher claim that the projects had more benign names when they were assigned to work on them.
@beholder9
Жыл бұрын
"This is the ISD EVIL MCBADFACE, lower your deflectors and prepare to be boarded!"
@gmitchellfamily
Жыл бұрын
In a mission in the original X-Wing game, there is an ISD that jumps in at a crazy distance. You aren't meant to go near it, it's just the destination for a convoy you are after. In that game, you could not read the name of a capital ship unless you closed with it and inspected it. One day I decided to do just that, and was greeted with turbolaser fire from ISD Badi Dea.
@jonumine6250
Жыл бұрын
Well, we don't see ships called "The peaceful" "The Chancellor" or "Lovely walk" in good factions either. Real life ships usually have generals and cities/states for names (Terms like "liberty" are rarr as well) Meanwhile Sci fi has more liberty on using evil names for evil factions, and "The tyrant" fits a lot on an ISD.
@felonyx5123
Жыл бұрын
Real life American ships have those boring names. The British Royal Navy picks ship names semi-randomly out of a big book of cool words, including solid villain names like "Conqueror" and "Devastation." Sometimes they'd do admirals or towns, sometimes they'd name all ships of a class cool words that start with "R." (Revenge, Resolution, Royal Sovereign, Ramilles plus their modified semi-successors Renown and Repulse) The Royal Navy also had a habit of tempting fate, like the HMS Invincible which went out in a massive explosion.
@jonumine6250
Жыл бұрын
@@felonyx5123 F for the invincible.
@boobah5643
Жыл бұрын
@@felonyx5123 It's not _exactly_ a cool book of big words. It's mostly a book listing the names of decommissioned Royal Navy warships, which they then reuse. And usually inherit the battle honors of the earlier ship(s) of the same name.
@williammagoffin9324
Жыл бұрын
Lots of ships have the name Independence (in navies of the US, Brazil, Argentina, Singapore). The USS Liberty is a fairly (in)famous ship. There was a USS Freedom. There was a USS President (and USS Congress & USS Constitution). If you want peaceful sounding names there were the French frigates Gentille, Félicité, and Belle Poule ('beautiful young girl' if one is being polite).
@MalfosRanger
Жыл бұрын
In Imperial Japanese naming conventions, destroyers were named after weather phenomena: Blizzard, Mirage, Island Wind, Ocean Breeze, etc. Cruisers were generally named after rivers. Battleships after mountains or provinces. US Navy ships of the mid-20th century had straightforward naming conventions as well. Destroyers were named after sailors, cruisers after cities, battleships after states, submarines after marine animal species, and aircraft carriers were famous battles with some notable exceptions.
@sypherthe297th2
Жыл бұрын
This was explicitly discussed, in universe, decades ago in Starfighters of Adumar. Wedge Antilles was having a conversation with a conflicted Imperial Admiral by the name of Teren Rogriss. Wedge asked him why the Empire had a penchant for choosing the ship names that it did. He said he had heard every theory from philosophers and academics or something to that effect. Wedge then offered him a theory from Luke Skywalker to which Rogriss responded with a report about getting theories from "farmboys" now. Luke's theory was that Imperial officers are told what they are doing is good and right. They are bringing law and order to an entire galaxy. Yet they were bombarded by constant reminders of the reality of what they were doing. Over time it wore down noble officers with a corruption that, according to Luke, Palpatine found particularly delightful. Personally I think he was right. The Empire wasn't noble or heroic. And everyone knew it on some level whether they wanted to admit it or not. Palpatine told people exactly what his Empire was about. He didn't REALLY try to hide it and yet people refused to own up to the reality. Because, if they did, then it would become incumbent upon them to do something and too many people.would rather live their lives hoping the reality of Imperial rule stays far away from them. It had genocidal tyrants like Palpatine, Vader, and Isard. It had less outright evil but still problematic officers like Zsinj, Thrawn, and Daala who were prosecuting wars. It even had respectable leaders at high rank like Pelleaon, Fel, and Rogriss. But it still took decades in universe for the Empire to shake itself free from the influence of Palpatine.
@pacocheung1864
Жыл бұрын
One of my favourite imperial ship names is the “Ambition”, I don’t like it because of lore but because of my imperial campaign in empire at war. In a desperate space defence battle I had nothing left but a carrack cruiser to fend off against a few damaged pirate frigates, it turned into a 30 minute slog of sweaty micro and I somehow won the battle. I wanted to remember this hero ship of the empire so I finally looked at it’s name and oh good Lord it’s named the “Ambition” I may have just given a future Thrawn 2.0 an insane backstory……
@graemelaw7371
Жыл бұрын
Wedge and Rogriss actually briefly talk about this during Starfighters of Adumar, that the Emperor named his ships like this to remind even the better-intentioned Imperial officers that they were being corrupted.
@MisterChips
Жыл бұрын
The names are honestly fine; basically the name list for Star Destroyers is pulled straight from the ranks of real-world Royal Navy ships and naval establishments.
@nekophht
Жыл бұрын
HMS Terror would like to know your location. ;)
@DIEGhostfish
Жыл бұрын
TIE Fighter fucking gave them a Warspite frigate.
@TheWarmachine375
Жыл бұрын
The Empire have mustache twirling officers in sharp dressed uniforms with British accents after all.
@lordhylia5745
Жыл бұрын
I remember in the "Starfighters of Adumar" book where Wedge brings up this point to an Imperial Captain when attempt to convince him to defect.
@trollerpilotxiv3079
Жыл бұрын
Imagine if they started explicitly referencing Sith lore in ship names; we could have ships like the _Malgus,_ the _Korriban_ and the _Typhojem._
@TheWarmachine375
Жыл бұрын
1:28 Skip if you don't want to deal with advertisement
@winngedhussarmalaka7685
Жыл бұрын
Not all ships had evil names. What about the Chimaera. It's a tribute to the Paccosh who were the good guys in the ascendancy books. The chaos is just so interesting :P
@neutralino1905
Жыл бұрын
I wonder how many of the 25,000 star destroyers had unique, non-repeated names. Good video topic. Naming and symbolism is important, especially in real life.
@zogar8526
Жыл бұрын
They all would have. They are main center piece ships. I mean, all 25000 aren't named for us. There is no huge list for us. But in universe, they'd all have been giving a unique name. Anything smaller probably not though.
@rommdan2716
Жыл бұрын
There are millions of lenguages on the Galaxy, they wouldn't going to run out of evil words
@DIEGhostfish
Жыл бұрын
@@zogar8526 There were multiples of the Vengeance even before it got a Super Star Destroyer variant. And I know for a fact there were two VSD "Protectors" bare minimum both active at the same time but I think one may have been in rebel hands.
@thereaperlord3738
Жыл бұрын
@@rommdan2716 but the empire would only use Galactic common for their military
@rommdan2716
Жыл бұрын
@@thereaperlord3738 Galactic spanning Empire would quickly realize why that's a bad idea.
@Pooperz100
Жыл бұрын
5:48 "Star Defender" is quite a badass name for a good guy ship if you ask me
@demogorgonzola
Жыл бұрын
Yes, at some point the Empire just stopped trying... those are rookie names Mr. Emperor! :) Iain M. Banks had a lot of fun naming ships in his "Culture" series and besides numerous puns and injokes there were also the warship names... The classes were already vicious sounding - Abominator, Killer, Murderer, Psychopath or Torturer and the ships were given appropriately menacing names: Attitude Adjuster, Killing Time, No One Knows What The Dead Think, All Through With This Niceness And Negotiation Stuff, Falling Outside the Normal Moral Constraints, and so on. Oh, and there is a Heresiarch among them, too. :) Special mention to "Mistake Not My Current State Of Joshing Gentle Peevishness For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Ire That Are Themselves The Mere Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Wrath", actual warship name, though usually shortened to just "Mistake Not..." for obvious reasons. Also, to double-dip on the funny factor, I bet the would look awesome on Spaceball One side during the slow flyby, too. :)
@mbpoblet
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, but the Culture did that because they wanted to make sure its citizens wouldn't mistake war for a _good_ thing, and as you said it only applied to warships, which were rather uncommon and often mothballed themselves during more peaceful times. More civilian oriented (yet equally dangerous when they felt like it) ships almost always gave themselves much less menacing names. Well, and then there was the GCU _Grey Area,_ which was called something much more explicit (which would probably get my comment deleted by some automatic KZitem word filter) by other ships due to its particular hobby...
@leemcdonald1342
Жыл бұрын
Joel & the bots: "They just didn't care!"
@DarkWizard83
Жыл бұрын
Dr Forrester: "They did too care! Admiral, tell them the truth! Tell them about your dream, your vision for the Imperial Navy, how you spent so much time trying develop a naming convention that would inspire awe, conjure up images of glory, and instill in both the fleet and its opponents that..." *The admiral isn't looking too invested* Dr. Forrester: "...You really didn't care, did you?" *The admiral nods* Dr. Forrester: *sigh* "Push the button, Frank."
@TheRealSheoth
Жыл бұрын
I like the idea that Cruisers/dreadnoughts/destroyers/etc. would traditionally be named like Sith warships to inspire that same power and dominance in war and that the origins of the practice faded through the generations. I have no clue if that conflicts with legends continuity but it’s pretty cool.
@trollerpilotxiv3079
Жыл бұрын
Imagine if, at a certain point, they decided to pull all the stops out and started naming capital ships after famous Sith lords. I'd pay to see an Executor-class called the _Revan_ or the _Naga Sadow._
@marty2129
Жыл бұрын
It was actually acknowledged in-universe in the Jedi Academy trilogy by Kevin J. Anderson, when Han had the involuntary opportunity to meet with one of Death Star's designers, that through naming their superweapons, Empire wasn't really subtle in hinting mass extinction despite claiming some peaceful purpose for those weapons...
@weldonwin
Жыл бұрын
Thing is, real world navies do this too. In the 1800's the British Royal Navy had a pair of ships named HMS Erebus (Named for the region of absolute darkness and surrounds the outer reaches of Hell) and HMS Terror (Both of which would be lost in a doomed Arctic expedition).
@Cpt_Boony_Hat
Жыл бұрын
And these names would be reused on another class of highly specialized warships with one particular role again. Hello HMS Erebus and Terror monitors
@CFRF13
Жыл бұрын
One of Thrawn's Star Destroyer's was named Death's Head. Wonder what her crew thought about the name.
@BennyLlama39
Жыл бұрын
Calling the ship Death's Head sounds like something I'd do. 😀
@violetlight1548
Жыл бұрын
The Death's Head actually sounds pretty metal
@aralornwolf3140
Жыл бұрын
It was a ship designed to destroy other ships and conquer systems... so Death's Head could refer to what it does, the flagship of a division/squadron/task force sent on offensive operations.
@DIEGhostfish
Жыл бұрын
"Fucking badass, but why can't we paint a skull on her? Thrawn gets his shitty tribal tattoo nonsense."
@johannesseyfried7933
Жыл бұрын
@@violetlight1548 Meh. It sounds better in german.
@Mikey-xz4vn
Жыл бұрын
"Firmus?" - "Yes Veers?" - "Are we the baddies?"
@FirstnameLastname81206
Жыл бұрын
I honestly like Imperial-II destroyer Overseer, because the name would honestly work for both Imperials or New Republic, but still carries an Imperial vibe to it
@daverage4729
Жыл бұрын
"Admiral, The ISD Baby Squasher is engaging the enemy". "Excellent! Tell the ISD Kitten Smasher and the ISD Push Grandma Down The Stairs to move in to support!"
@_robustus_
Жыл бұрын
Sovereign- a: one possessing or held to possess supreme political power or sovereignty b: one that exercises supreme authority within a limited sphere c: an acknowledged leader : ARBITER I don’t think I have seen the word connote rule by force. On the contrary, legitimacy of rule is implied. Hell, Sovereign is the class name of the Enterprise E, so you know the goody goodies of Star Trek aren’t going to name their ships anything with a bad connotation 🖖😉
@killingragethrowback
Жыл бұрын
It's the same reason there are no War Departments/Ministries anymore, and instead we have "Defense" even if they do the same thing.
@Starwarsfreak101st
Жыл бұрын
I still remember playing Empire at War and having a Imperial Star Destroyer called "Death's Head".
@andrewbryant4259
Жыл бұрын
Oh Justin, the irony is just perfect. Plugging your Indian/Thai fusion named Japanese noodle dish during a video about lazy naming of ships. I just love it
@lightspeedvictory
Жыл бұрын
#askeck How were the Seperatists able to get past Coruscant’s planetary shields when they attacked in Episode III? Lore ship Versus video request: Resurgent vs. Starhawk Tie Striker vs. New Republic V-Wing World Devastator vs. Vong Worldship Tie Silencer vs. X-83 Twintail Tie Silencer vs. Tie Defender (legends version) Keldabe vs. ISD II MC90 vs. Nebula class star destroyer Nebula class vs. Pellaeon class Majestic class vs. Bothan Assault Cruiser EAWX: FOTR’s Mandator II portrayal vs. Subjugator Praetor vs. Subjugator EAWX: TR’s Mediator portrayal vs. Resurgent Starhawk vs. Bulwark MK III
@tyrannicfool2503
Жыл бұрын
I think he already mentioned that on a battle of coruscant video?
@calebbarnhouse496
Жыл бұрын
He definitely has talked about the battle of courscant, the idea he proposed was that the republic was caught off guard by the attack like it was planned, and ultimately part of the separatist fleet was able to get underneath the shield generator while some were left out the republic with control of the shields had them in pockets that they more or less could control the flow of the battle outside of shooting down the invisible hand
@Traykartheswift
Жыл бұрын
Man should've brought up the intimidator and the persecutor from rogue one
@thesenate9564
Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of a comment I posted on this channel a while back where I questioned just how many "cool" names could the Empire give their ships. I mean, just counting regular Star Destroyers they had around 40,000, so are some just named "Geoff" after a while?
@darthzayexeet3653
Жыл бұрын
When I was 12, I invented my own class of Imperial Star Destroyer, because I always found their names way cooler. Here are those that I can still remember or have written down: The Class was called "PayDay-Class" (I used to play a lot of PayDay back then) And the Ships were: The Brutalizer The Horizon Defier The Sundance The Desiccator The Flesh Ripper The Insurrection The Warhammer The Doomsday The Mass Extinctionator The Radioblazar The Silencer The Destructor And the Flag Ship and my favorite was: *The Agonizer* I always used to search my dictionary for complicated and cool sounding words and put them together until I liked them lol
@TheDAWinz
Жыл бұрын
These names are fine, in fact they're pretty common ship names. HMS Dreadnought anyone?
@tanith117
Жыл бұрын
What sounds evil about the Fear-Nothing?
@kabob0077
Жыл бұрын
3:00 As if the name "Malevolence" isn't any better...
@dandelionthief3979
Жыл бұрын
I think Subjugator makes sense as a class of starship, feels a bit more neutral. You want to subjugate the battlefield. But as a name for an individual ship, that feels more like a personal statement
@nerag7459
Жыл бұрын
In the Star Wars RPG we managed to capture a corvette and after discovering a Star Destroyer called the Emperor's Will renamed our ship the Emperor's Willy... it wasn't a large ship either.
@DIEGhostfish
Жыл бұрын
Beeeg Tector is still pretty good at its job.
@OwentheKingofDudes
Жыл бұрын
As an Empire guy, this is actually something I somewhat respect about the Galactic Empire. They don't try to put up a facade where they present themselves as the Sunshine & Cupcakes Party. They're badass assholes with hearts of steel, they know it, & they want their enemies to know it. I like to imagine that if the Rebels, the Republic, or any other over the top good guy faction in any work of fiction had made the Death Star, they would call it the "Freedom Star" or the "Puppy Hugger" or something.
@DrifterG36
Жыл бұрын
I'm just picturing two navy recruits discussing which ship they are getting sent to. "Oh fuck yeah I'm gonna be on the Genocider." "Pfff that's nothing I'm being put on the Serial Rapist."
@Praetorian1345
Жыл бұрын
I was just reading the legends book Jedi Search by Kevin J. Anderson. I really liked Daala’s 4 Star Destroyers: Gorgon, Manticore, Basilisk, and Hydra
@tohon
Жыл бұрын
I’m surprised you didn’t bring up wedge’s conversation in the bar with admiral rogriss from starfighters of adumar
@apathymanthemundane4165
Жыл бұрын
I'd want to name a capital ship 'Boreal Shield', or if I'm feeling aggressive 'Boreal Sword' no specific reason, I just think they sound cool.
@jacobvardy
Жыл бұрын
"the Invisible Hand" being the flagship of the CIS was also a bit of a hint...
@CardboardSliver
Жыл бұрын
Imagine you're the Imperial in charge of naming the ISD and SSD, and you run out of vile evil names, so you just... Robert. This is the ISD, Robert.
@samanthaadams619
Жыл бұрын
Or "Bob"!
@toptiergaming6900
Жыл бұрын
With 20k ships the galaxy probobly assumed nothing was wrong and they where just running out of badass names
@aralornwolf3140
Жыл бұрын
25,000 in Legends... and millions more ships on top of them... Yeah. Running out of names happens quickly.
@JM-mh1pp
Жыл бұрын
@@aralornwolf3140 -So where have you served? - Revenge. - Oh, cool, so did I! Registry number 243/F-12? - No, no, it was Revenge registry number 233/F12.
@thesenate5770
Жыл бұрын
Who thought to name the separatist's flagship Malevolence?
@shickey718
Жыл бұрын
I think that the story starts by saying “a long time ago in a galaxy far far away” and that implies someone is telling us a story. And if the storyteller felt the empire was evil then they would probably be inclined to fudge some details like ship names for the effect. That’s my head canon
@RafaMieses
Жыл бұрын
-Omg I'm so happy I can serve in the fleet to protect my world and family -¿What ship were you assigned to? -the youngling butcher, named after the hero of the clone wars
@johne.4884
Жыл бұрын
Black Asp became the Coruska Rainbow.
@thegr8winston
Жыл бұрын
I always thought Thoroughbred would be a cool name for a star destroyer
@Cpt_Boony_Hat
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelandreipalon359 yeah it just screams Deatroyer. Someone check if there has been a warship named Thoroughbred I’ve got $20 it was a DD or torpedo boat
@BNOBLE981
Жыл бұрын
It makes the reports to fleet headquarters more interesting then giving them numbers at least. "The Retribution has returned from its disaster relief mission"
@jonmittlsteadt4297
Жыл бұрын
My favorite ship name has got to be Thrawn's flagship, The Chimaera. Added with the paint he's got on the underbelly
@jessmith7324
Жыл бұрын
And this is why imps get all the cool shit lol
@LieuFang
Жыл бұрын
A lot of the Imperial ship names could have also doubled as names for sex toys...just saying.
@rommdan2716
Жыл бұрын
We just need to find a big enough Celestial...
@chimera6485
Жыл бұрын
You should read the expeditionary force books. They are on audible. Ship names include the "To-seek-glory-in-battle-is-glorious." The "We-are-proud-to-honor-clan-sub-leader-(insert long alien name)-who-inspires-us-every-day." And two of my favorites the "We-do-shady-things." Which is the flagship for the head of the ethics committee. Enjoy that. And finally the "I-am-itching-to-give-somebody-a-beatdown-and-today-is-your-lucky-day." Enjoy these. In all seriousness though the books are fantastic and I cannot recommend them enough.
@anzaca1
Жыл бұрын
0:29 The Royal Navy is the prime example of how you can have ship names which are very, very aggressive, without them being threatening or evil. HMS Dreadnought is a great example.
@rommdan2716
Жыл бұрын
Nah, that's still sounds pretty evil
@JM-mh1pp
Жыл бұрын
@@rommdan2716 Dreadnought Dread nought Dread(fear) nought(nothing) Fear nothing. How is "Fear nothing" evil?
@user-po8ri5pq9g
Жыл бұрын
I blame the test audiences. We asked for honesty but for some reason the heavily policed- erm I mean- protected audiences didn't seem so forthcoming.
@khazadmann
Жыл бұрын
There is nothing evil about the name sovereign. The UK is ruled by sovereigns.
@nono-wv9zc
4 ай бұрын
You know, I wasn't convinced sovereigns were evil until you said the UK is ruled by them.
@khazadmann
4 ай бұрын
@@nono-wv9zc Actually, when you think about it, they DON'T rule. They're nothing more than meat puppets. A tourist attraction.
@redenginner
Жыл бұрын
Honestly I wish we could see ISDs that where named after important figures/locales in its patrol area/home port. Stuff to tie the Empire in more with its subjects. Like instead of the ISD Tormentor you’d have the ISD Bob Katarn or Keldabe.
@neves5083
Жыл бұрын
I think it's reasonable to have a mix of the good guys' names and the bad guys' names in starfleets because depending on the name it serves to affect the enemies' morale. My favorite is the Satan III class
@SuperNoobz22
Жыл бұрын
sheesh I'm early
@av8bharrier2modified76
Жыл бұрын
o h n o
@basedeltazero714
Жыл бұрын
In Children of a Dead Earth you can get a (randomly generated) ship named the _Genocide God_ (Funny enough, it's *not* a ship of the faction that kills 95% of humanity a *second* time, but as 'Card-Carrying Villain Ship Names' go, it's a pretty good one, I gotta admit.)
@badandymk3
Жыл бұрын
Best star destroyer names IMO: Devastator, Judicator, Iron Fist, and of course, Executor.
@cmdrpanorpa8631
Жыл бұрын
The naming convention for star wars ships is good generally rebel ones are about freedom and safety or words associated with resisting and rebelling. Which gives a nice contrast with the empire names being more about symbolising physical endurance or power projection etc. "Insurmountable" is one I like as an ISD name, indefatigable is a great name that I think fits, but some of them just get too much sometimes for sure. Some names I've seen for interdictors specifically are very nasty, like asphyxiator, which is rather descriptive of an intended role of the ship, it totally fits with the "stop a weaker enemy force from escaping so it may be utterly destroyed" idea of interdictors. (Nice use of Mitchell and Webb btw)
@genequist3859
Жыл бұрын
Wow I was JUST talking about this, what with the names of the ISDs with overtly evil names like "The Persecutor"... I thought the empire wanted to at least create the illusion that they were benevolent.
@AJadedLizard
Жыл бұрын
I feel like "Chief of the Heretics" would've been a good name for a captured SD or SSD. A heretic is, after all, someone in active rebellion against the establishment and that can't be more on brand for the Alliance.
@huntclanhunt9697
Жыл бұрын
Tyrant can also simply mean someone who sized absolute control, which could be considered a good quality in a combat situation.
@stardragon7893
Жыл бұрын
Violator sounds like a good Star Destroyer name. I remember Star Wars Battlefront: Elite Squadron having a ship named Avarice. They just straight up named it after a deadly sin.
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