They did it! The latest Blackmagic update for the ATEM Mini series switchers now has an audio delay function (up to 8 frames). So, as I said in this video, the video is now completely pointless! Ha! Thanks to everyone who has watched it up to now and the questions and support you have contributed. Now go have some audio delay fun! Download the latest update here: www.blackmagicdesign.com/support/family/atem-live-production-switchers
@brucegerrishmusic
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! I just happened to discovered the same audio delay work around with my new Mini on my own tonight just before I stumbled on your vid. Yes, simply running my mixer into one of my cameras that has line level is the fix! Thanks for confirming this. I totally agree. A $10 cable solves the problem! Love your presentation and that you’re a pro audio guy like me. Good stuff! Bruce Gerrish
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Bruce! Thanks for kind words. It’s one of those situations where you start to overthink it a bit when the solution is right in front of you. I did however think it would be interesting for people to see how to identify that there is a delay, and calculate it properly. Thanks again! Us audio guys who have to venture into video land need to help each other out for sure!
@brucegerrishmusic
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Will stay tuned in to your cool channel !
@guitarlessonswithtommymerr2867
4 жыл бұрын
Ab-so-lu-te-ly BRILLIANT way of testing delay. Thanks!
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tommy!
@FlareLightPro
2 жыл бұрын
fuuuuck this explains a lot. I wasnt aware of the delay issue with hdmi. at work we did this big live stream, cameras running through the atem mini, audio running through a zoom h5, and then the stream was controlled with OBS. After our stream was done, we took the footage, and subtitled it, and during that i noticed the sync issue, i think it was around 6 frames. Next live stream we do, audio will probably be routed through the camera now.
@johnmcgill2112
3 жыл бұрын
Thx for getting rid of the fairy lights.
@DanielHoang
4 жыл бұрын
I’m new to this stuff and this video was super helpful. I’m hoping to get my Rodecaster to sync up with my soon to be coming Atem Mini Pro.
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome man! Let me know how it works for you.
@shanegriffiths
4 жыл бұрын
Are you coming out of the rodecaster via the method mentioned above or coming out of one of the headphone outputs?
@buildingsheriff
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Ryan!
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
Anytime! Let me know if you have any other questions!
@ajtacademy
4 жыл бұрын
Finally New software update adds the ability for the user to select up to 8 frames of audio delay on analog microphone inputs of ATEM Mini and ATEM Mini Pro
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Just saw that! Thanks for letting me know.
@kurtnaslund
3 жыл бұрын
HI! I have been looking quite a bit now, but cant find it. Atem Mini Pro + Rodecaster Pro + studio mics with people. The mics are connected to the Rodecaster. I have also external participants (video+audio), and the whole thing is setup using Restream.io livestudio. How would you route audio so that mix minus for the external people is working, and that everyone hears everyone...and finally that the live-stream does have all the audio-channels coming through?
@elephantgrass631
Жыл бұрын
You should have rounded up the ms AFTER you did the calculation. Less margin of error, slightly more accurate. Clocks in modern recording devices are so accurate jitter is becoming less of an issue. If you did 41.67 x 8 you’d get 333.36ms. Since we’re dealing with frames per second linking up audio with visuals, 24 FPS is nowhere near the resolution of audio accuracy (which is fine but…) we could use all the help we can get by doing accurate math.
@sammorganmoore
2 жыл бұрын
was there mention that f you have delay audio in your headphones then one slurs and is put off when talking,
@wingowingo2928
2 жыл бұрын
I assume, that if any new model has a bit more RAM in the system, it can store the 1/2 second audio and play it back in the delay function. It may mean a change of the CPU or microcontroller that has more internal ram or just adding more ram if the system is already using external ram.
@juanm.aguayo-leal9795
4 жыл бұрын
Great review. Thank you very much.
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Juan!
@CarlosLeivaBurotto
4 жыл бұрын
I'm new to the audio delay / ATEM Mini issue. Your video was a great help to get a better idea about how-to fix my issue. Thank you! I'm going to be using the ATEM mini for course creation, livestreaming and videoconferences (such as Google Meet, Zoom, Discord, etc) I own a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 (2nd Gen) and a standard XLR lavalier microphone. If all I'm doing are screencasts using webcams and an iPad, then I shouldn't experience any delays right? But if I ever consider purchasing an HDMI camera, I'm considering two alternatives to fix the audio delay issue: Alternative 1) I think I should be okay by purchasing the Splitter and the AV ToolBox Delay Box. Then my setup should be Focusrite Line Out --> AV ToolBox Delay Box --> Splitter --> ATEM Mini & Camera Alternative 2) Purchasing an audio mixer with a delay feature. Is an audio mixer a better investment than the Splitter & AV ToolBox Delay Box? Do you recommend any specific audio mixer that includes an audio delay feature (for starters) Thanks again!
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
If I'm understanding you right, there shouldn't be any delay. I did a zoom meeting a couple of weeks ago and it worked really well. Also, those services tend to be smaller frames per second, so even if you had a camera on you, it probably wouldn't be noticeable. It's hard to say go with a mixer if it's just the one mic. If you are planning on having guests on the stream or the ability to run music at the beginning and end, there isn't really a reason to get a multi channel mixer. I'd go with option 1 to start off and then get new gear if needed. And even if you do get a mixer, since you still would have the AVToolbox Delay Box, you can just pick up a cheaper analog mixer. Hope that helped! Let me know if you have any other questions.
@healthyinspirations6692
3 жыл бұрын
Instead of using the audio in on the ATEM, if you run you mic into one camera and then use the HDMI (video and audio) to feed the ATEM, won't it then be in sync? Any downsides?
@RyanKnowsNothing
3 жыл бұрын
You can definitely do that. I think that is what a lot of people were doing to fix the problem. I'd still recommend doing that if possible just because it will keep it right in sync. The only downside I've encountered is the input of the camera sounding like complete GARBAGE. My original Pocket Cinema Camera just has the absolute worst audio inputs I've ever heard. So other than that, if you have a good clean signal, I'd say keep doing it that way. The reason to keep plugging into the camera is because the built in delay for the ATEM only does it on a full frame basis and not sub-frames, which in most cases it's going to fall in-between a full frame. Plugging into the camera makes it spot on!
@ericruff4726
4 жыл бұрын
I have a nice XLR Rode NTG3 mic running into a DBX 286s to get rid of my sibilance and then out through a ShureX2u adapter which gives me USB out. I used to just plug this into the USB input on the computer but I would like to control the audio delay and run this audio into the mic input of the Atem Mini and I just realized...I don't know how to go from USB to TRS (or TRRS not sure which is correct here) and into the Mini.
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
Hmmm... and the X2u just has the headphone out. You may have to find a different external mic pre to power the NTG3. That would be my suggestion if you don't need it to go to the computer. You can get a preamp for around $100 for a decent one. In the video I uploaded today there is one called the TubeMP from ART that sounds pretty good. Here's a link to go check it out: amzn.to/34IG5Pb It's right at $100 and sounds pretty good.
@ericruff4726
4 жыл бұрын
@@RyanKnowsNothing One of the outputs from my DBX 286s preamp is a female output for a 1/4" plug like guitars use. The current plug in there is a 1/4" male plug that has 2 black rings. Is there perhaps an cable that would have a similar 1/4" male at one end and a mini plug at the other for the Atem mii? TRRS or TRS? what do you think of that to get it into the Atem mini?
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
Yes. That is the output you’ll want to use. Just make sure your ATEM is set to line level in the software.
@JessDickinson
3 жыл бұрын
Why can’t I run my mics into the audio interface and connect the audio interface to the ATEM Mini Pro?
@RyanKnowsNothing
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Jess! Sorry for the late reply. I took the last month of the year off from KZitem. I hope you are doing well! You absolutely could do that, as long as you have your internal routing done properly. I do that with a Focusrite Scarlett Solo from time to time. The reason I don't do it much is because, while it does add some features to mixing the mics, it also takes up CPU usage and since my computer is old, I went another route. PLUS I really want the mic inputs to work properly. Currently they tend to be really really noisy and I end up going through a small analog mixer like this one: amzn.to/2Lyb1dk. That way it takes care of the preamps, mixing of music and sfx, and doesn't take up additional resources on the computer. If you try it out, let me know! I'd love to hear how it works for you.
@JessDickinson
3 жыл бұрын
@@RyanKnowsNothing I ran three XLRs through a Scarlett interface, and connected the Scarlett to Mic 1. Had to delay audio 8 frames, but worked perfectly.
@ChrisHeidlebaugh
4 жыл бұрын
If I could ask please. I have a Focusrite 2:2 Gen 3 where it has some sort of mini usb to usb connection. My setup is Shure SM7b to Cloudlifter to 286 DBX to Focurite 2:2 to PC. But I want to add the ATEM mini / Pro but not sure how to connect this properly. DO you have any tips? God Bless Brother
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Chris! Sorry for the late reply. This is a hard one because the Focusrite is an interface with preamps instead of just a preamp (which would be easy to just run to the ATEM). If you don't need to record the audio I would say just go from the Cloudlifter straight to the ATEM. But if you still want to record the audio, I'd say run the outputs from the 2i2 into the ATEM and select the "Direct Monitor" button on the front. Then mute the output of your DAW so you don't get the return which usually causes a delay effect on your voice. That should hopefully give you a clean line into the ATEM. I hope that helps!
@digitalkev06
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this !
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
No problem! There’s another video about all things audio on the ATEMs now that the delay thing has been fixed.
@jefft9506
3 жыл бұрын
So how would you run the scarlet with the an cpr mic straight into the atem mini I’m wanting to set up streaming my Xbox and want to use my xlr mic and Scarlett interface.
@RyanKnowsNothing
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Jeff! Sorry for the late response. With the Scarlett you can go into the mic pre, come out of the main outs and into the ATEM. You just need to make sure the input monitoring or direct monitoring switch is selected on the front.
@mentorshipplus475
4 жыл бұрын
I use an audio Technica USB mic and have had to solve delay through software like OBS. I wnat to get the ATEM mini pro but I love the sound of that mic with my voice. is there a way to use it and somehow plug it into my camera? or do I need the software like OBS or vMIX to run my stream through
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
I am trying to think on how to do this. Perhaps you could run the signal from your headphone output on the mic? It's not ideal, but it could work. Or you can use a DAW or yes, other software to mix and send it out to your ATEM. That does take the processing power off your computer.
@RonClifford
4 жыл бұрын
@@RyanKnowsNothing my model doesn't have the headphone jack so will look into the other suggestions, thanks!
@shanegriffiths
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! QUESTION - Referring back to what you mentioned about the Rodecaster -> Camera (my new setup). Do you suggest coming out of the Rodecaster via the method you said (using the LR monitor output with the split cable) OR I see some people just output out of the one of the headphone sockets out of the Rodecaster into the camera. I struggling to find someone to tell me which output I should be using and why.
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
This is a bit of an interesting conundrum. It goes back and forth between how you SHOULD do things and what actually works. Technically speaking, the headphone output has an amplifier inside that is rated and boosts the signal specifically for headphones. It’s not ideal to run a signal out of this because it’s based on what boosted level headphones want to see and not what a camera or audio interface want to see. The output on the back of the Rodecaster is spitting out a true unamplified line level signal that is a universally accepted electrical level to properly run through your equipment (mic level being too low and requiring a preamp). The only downside I’ve seen on what I suggested in the video, and I did clear this up in my most recent video, is that a lot of cameras only accept a mic level signal. So you end up getting noise on the line. A DI box will help cure that. I hope that helps! Thanks Shane!
@shanegriffiths
4 жыл бұрын
@@RyanKnowsNothing Thanks so much! that's super helpful. I have my Rodecaster coming tomorrow and have ordered the cable you suggested. I'll see what the monitor output gives me. I'm using the Canon EOS R - i'll need to check if it accepts a line-in signal (I think the website says it does), guess i'll find out soon enough. Thanks again, really helpful.
@brentmuxlow2131
4 жыл бұрын
We have tried running the audio into the camera but it didn’t work. We use an Allen and Heath Q-24 sound board and a Canon Handy cam, the $200 kind. Do you think it didn’t work because of the old Handycam.
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
I've been seeing a lot of reports about this. An option (which I know cost more money) would be running it into the PCDI from Whirlwind. It will take your line level signal and bump it down to mic level to go into the camera. In addition it will give you a ground lift if you get any hum on the line. The handycam probably doesn't have the ability to switch to line level input, and that is where you are running into some problems.
@carlturner544
3 жыл бұрын
Resolving the audio delay has proved very hard for me. My thought, as you suggested, was to simply run the audio from the camera and into the ATEM mini pro via the HDMI cable, but I stll get a very bad delay - around 500MS - any thoughts on why this is occuring? As you said, the audio should be imbeded into the HDMI feed and therefore always in sync with the video.
@carlturner544
3 жыл бұрын
For those who may have similar issues, I worked out the issue. My Atem feed is being passed through OBS and all that was needed was to work out the audio delay in ms and then apply a snyc offset in advanced audio properties
@RyanKnowsNothing
3 жыл бұрын
Glad you were able to figure something out. The delay issue has been fixed with a recent software update, but it does the delay in single full frames...no subframes. So it might be better to keep it in OBS to have more control.
@scottmantle1078
4 жыл бұрын
The whole test doesn't seem right how can to separate analog audio signals have a vast difference in delay even though go through the same path , it doesn't make sense. when I get my mini pro back it will check this.
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
There is a variance in delay depending on what equipment you have running. Because the metronome was running directly into the ATEM, it has the potential for the most delay. The wireless microphone has a bit of it's own delay, so the discrepancy is less than the metronome. I suspect it's because it's a cheap wireless mic. If you had something like a Sennheiser or Lectrosonics, you'd get a longer delay.
@felipeopazomusic
4 жыл бұрын
Useful videos! Any tips on monitoring the audio?
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
You can run it into a monitor with a headphone out, or they make HDMI pass through box that can split out the audio signal. I’ll Look into it and possibly do another video about monitoring. Thanks for the comment and question!
@felipeopazomusic
4 жыл бұрын
@@RyanKnowsNothing I'm currently monitoring audio using the headphone out of a video monitor I have connected to the HDMI out of the ATEM Mini, I'd love to use my audio interface (Audient ID14) to run a mic and monitor audio but can't figure out how (I'm using two HDMI cameras, a windows PC and a Mac as my sources). All the best from Chile
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
Ahhh, currently I don’t think there is a way, unless you run the signal from your monitor back into your audio interface.
@ryaneckhardt3733
3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Forgive my ignorance, but since this is the Atem mini pro and has the built-in capture card, wouldn't OBS just be a redundant step that isn't needed?
@RyanKnowsNothing
3 жыл бұрын
That's is somewhat correct, but the main reason I said to run it into OBS is to be able to sync the audio with the video. Fortunately that is now fixed in the ATEM Mini/Pro/ISO itself, so there's no reason to use OBS. I hope that clears things up!
@ryaneckhardt3733
3 жыл бұрын
@@RyanKnowsNothing Yep, thanks for the reply!
@tdannichols
3 жыл бұрын
Ryan, you're not in Michigan are you?? LOL !! I need a guy like you to run through my studio with me. It could use some tweaks.
@RyanKnowsNothing
3 жыл бұрын
Ha! Sorry Dan. I am further out West. Good luck on getting the studio figured out!
@davejonline
4 жыл бұрын
Hi, I’m confused, you suggested connecting Rodecaster Pro via cable into camera audio input as a fix? In my testing with a Rodecaster Pro and other mixers this only works if camera accepts line input. If set to mic input then there’s too much gain and there’s electrical interference in the audio. I’ve found only cameras over approx $2000 have ability to switch between mic or line input. Did you get this to work with the Canon 500 you mentioned? How? I’d love to know! My workaround to the delay through ATEM Mic inputs was to delay in OBS but that has caused other audio issues (clicking then distortion then out of sync) which has killed that workaround. Looking at getting Behringer FBQ100 to go inline to delay the audio into ATEM.
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
I've heard the FBQ100 is a good option. I didn't mention it because I was trying to figure out minimalist solutions, i.e. the FB100 is a feedback suppressor that also has delay instead of just a box that delays the audio. I did have that same issue with the Canon T5i (700D). A solution I've tried for that would be to get a Direct Box like the PCDI from Whirlwind. It will bump the line input to mic level AND give you a ground lift if there's a hum. I ended up just buying a camera that would support a line level input (the original Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera).
@davejonline
4 жыл бұрын
hi-tech on life The PCDI isn’t simple to get in Australia, and it looks comparable in price to the FBQ100 anyway...that solution is for a client of mine with the Rodecaster Pro & ATEM Mini Pro. I’ve already gone the similar path to you, I had a GH5 already and got the XLR1E audio interface for it...in sync audio for streaming & better audio for normal video projects!
@derrickleid4757
4 жыл бұрын
Nice video, thx for the great info. what should I do if I cant change my camera input to line level. i have rodecaster pro I would like to run it in to my eos 80d?
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
I would suggest running it directly into the ATEM if you can. The delay issue has been fixed on the ATEMs so you can just run from the Rodecaster Pro (the LR outputs on the back) into one of the audio inputs on the ATEM Mini, Pro, or ISO and then adjust the delay.
@jameshaydon
3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I have a question, can I run a pair of Shure sm58's into a Scarlett 212 gen 3 and then out to the Atem mini?
@RyanKnowsNothing
3 жыл бұрын
Hey James! Sorry for the late reply. You can do this, but you want to make sure direct monitoring or input monitoring is selected on the front face of 2i2. Hopefully that helps! Thanks James!
@PatrickDesjardins1
4 жыл бұрын
Any recommendation on how to get the Scarlett Solo to Black Magic. I bought a 1/4 inch to 1/8 but I can't get the sound from the Scarlette Solo. I set the Mic1 to inline and there is no sound. If I turn up the "Direct Monitor" I get audio but it is breaking up. If I set it back to the microphone, I can hear my voice but also all the audio from the computer...
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
The Solo is a tricky little box. If you are hearing things breaking up, then there might be a bad cable (which I know was new, so it probably isn't that), or an internal connector issue (if you jiggle the cables at either end is it still making that noise?). Maybe check your mic cable too. When you go into the ATEM Mini audio page, where is the gain knob at the top of the audio channel? You can try to turn that up to give yourself more gain. If the box is in Direct monitor, it is usually sending both the signal out of the DAW and the direct signal from the mic. Try muting the track the mic is coming in on inside the DAW so it isn't double feeding the output with the direct and DAW feed.
@PatrickDesjardins1
4 жыл бұрын
@@RyanKnowsNothing The cable looks fine. Moving it does not produce noise. So, at least this is eliminated as a hypothesis. I set in the ATEM Mini the Mic1 to "inline" and there is no sound. If I turn up the "Direct Monitor" I get audio but it is breaking up. If I set it back the ATEM Mini Mic1 to "microphone", I can hear my voice but also all the audio from the computer. I've been able to send the signal of the Solo by using a software that redirects the output of the microphone into one of the HDMI output... but that defeat the purpose of using the audio line of the ATEM. I suspect that the Solo outputs can only return all the audio from the computer or none. Do you have any recommendation to have a XLR Microphone to be plugged in the ATEM Mini (mine is a condenser microphone that does not require phantom power)?
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
Hey Patrick! Sorry I didn’t respond earlier. I failed to check to see if you had replied. If you don’t need to run your audio into the computer at all, you can purchase an XLR Female to 1/8” cable and run it directly from your Cloudlifter to the ATEM Mini mic input and it will sound pretty dang good. I’ve even plugged the cable straight in without a Cloudlifter in-line. Now that they’ve fixed the audio delay issue, you can align those audio inputs with your HDMI source.
@PatrickDesjardins1
4 жыл бұрын
@@RyanKnowsNothing Thanks for the recommendation. BlackMagic support told me that the Scarlett Solo the 1/4 is balanced mono and the 3.5 is unbalanced stereo. Not compatible!!! The 1/4 jack output is probably line level to the Mini. They told me I could use something like an ISO box to handle that conversion. Also something like the ART CLEANBoxPro 2-channel Balanced / Unbalanced Level Converter. A little bit complex :D
@elephantgrass631
Жыл бұрын
The reason why it’s called “isolated” is because the transformers themselves are isolated to prevent cross talk which would cause all sorts of problems. Nothing huge to the audience but more for the purposes of what you’re talking about.
@glynnetolar4423
5 ай бұрын
So your signal splitter loses no signal, and it's passive? Do it generate power? Quick, you finally found free power! Sheesh
@JessDickinson
3 жыл бұрын
Another question: Is there a video quality difference in connecting the ATEM Mini Pro to my computer via USB as opposed to HDMI through a capture card?
@sedonauas7558
4 жыл бұрын
FIXED, It looks like they added delay into the latest ATEM Switcher software update 8.2.3. This guys video goes over everything. kzitem.info/news/bejne/w4RnwGiwfJunYKg
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Alex’s video is awesome! I actually release a video as well about the fix.
@glisazsamples9930
4 жыл бұрын
omg- we ve been doing that since years ago. so many explanation. and just say -use thr input of your camera. hahahha
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, makes sense for the majority of cameras out there. Unfortunately like on my original Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera, the mic pre SUCKS! The preamps on the ATEM are much better. But they finally put delay compensation in so all is well now.
@vagstephanou_videos
4 жыл бұрын
Well as you said, this video is completely useless now! 😂 BMD rolled out an audio delay software update!
@RyanKnowsNothing
4 жыл бұрын
Ha! I know! The views will now stop!
@vagstephanou_videos
4 жыл бұрын
@@RyanKnowsNothing it's always good to know though. In any case the delay feature is limited to a few frames only afaik 😉
@alicudby1233
3 жыл бұрын
@@RyanKnowsNothing Well of course they won't, as those of us new to this still have to go through all the other vids before we get to this crucial little snippet of info!!!! :-)
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