the last two or three sentences are bullshit: not knwoing your own values doesn´t make you more objective. the opposite is the case: you still have values, but since you don´t know them, it´s even harder to TRY to overcome their subjective nature.
@Randozart
8 жыл бұрын
I agree. Not only that, but he argues about fading confidence in the nation-state, insecurity about the future, lack of confidence in the markets, all such things. Those are not neccesarily 'atemporal'. On the contrary, it's very symptomatic of our current day and age so in fact, very temporal in a way. He would be right about us, as a society not being sure what our values are. But it is therefore all the more neccesary to look to the past, understand how the enlightenment and what pre-enlightenment thought looked like, and then follow the progression of (Western) civilization's values and ideals to understand where we stand now. And that requires you to take a long hard look at your ideas and figure out how the 17th century man saw his place in the universe, and how that was to change in the next 400 years.
@ianism3
8 жыл бұрын
yep. it creates a nice snappy ending, but a) i disagree that our societies do not have clear values. many people might disagree on what they are, but it does not follow that individuals will not know them b) even if the above was possible, not knowing one's values does not remove one's bias. it makes it harder to see one's bias. had me until those nonsense claims, nerdwriter.
@davejacob5208
7 жыл бұрын
nicer, yes. more constructive? should i give him my own alternative opinion? he is, according to my view and arguments, wrong about the point i wrote about. i simply wrote that. yes, the word "bullshit" is terribly harsh and i was cruel for even thinking that his opinion was bullshit instead of "just wrong", but i guess you can already smell the sarcasm through the screen so i´ll end this sentence now.
@deschain1910
7 жыл бұрын
I think it also shows a kind of 'rose-tinted glasses' view of past societies. I always believed that the clear value systems we attribute to past societies were perhaps not quite so clear to each individual actually living within them. Overarching value systems, I think, are one of the many things that are easier to see from the outside looking in or in retrospect.
@boshamburger123
7 жыл бұрын
He's arguing that a constantly changing and updating of your moral values. Not just having no clue about your values I think is your misunderstanding.
@iankrasnow5383
8 жыл бұрын
We're not in a blank spot in history, there's just not yet a dominant philosophy to describe the new millennium. For all we know, the meta narrative that will one day be used to describe the first half of the 21st century has already been developed and written about, just not popularized. After all, the culture of modernity had been going on for centuries in some capacity before the public started talking actually talking about modernism.
@davejacob5208
7 жыл бұрын
well, since the internet makes it AT LEAST seem like we can now all openly talk about our individual philosophies, and since critical thinking is at least in western culture seen as something good, "the one dominant philosophy" would be more or less a miracle if it existed. now that the most prominent philosophy would have to be the one we can see on the internet, this dominant philosophy would have to REALLY be the philosophy of most of ALL people, not just of the ones who participate in academic science/philosophy. so the really difference is the difference between the academic view on the world and the view of the people.
@Hakajin
7 жыл бұрын
I think it's just that, since so many more people now have a voice, we hear many more narratives; there's so much competition that one never wins. Because master narratives come from those who leave records of their time, what they thought was important. In reality, there was probably as much disagreement as there is now.
@LesbianCinemaCircuit
6 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking that, it's easy to define an era after it has happened, not during. Most people don't even realize they're in a movement until it is brought to the wide public's attention, because to us, this is just reality and normal to us
@dandy-lions5788
8 жыл бұрын
A coherent sentence spoken in a soothing voice does not an expert make. I appreciate most of your videos, being well-researched, thought-provoking, and articulate, and indeed the story you weave here in this video is compelling and seductive, but the sort of unthinking gushing that I see in the comments, a natural response to the self-assured position you take in this video, compels me to respond all the more vigorously against the holes, false conjectures, and unsound leaps of thought that you make. First, there is no consensus that postmodernism is dead. Much of this video is based on the thinking of Alan Kirby and "The Death of Postmodernism And Beyond", but there are scores of academicians who disagree with his thinking. In fact, is it even possible for postmodernism to die? Postmodernism is so hard to pin down, and if you can't even define what postmodernism is, how can you say that it's dead? I understand the urge to think that postmodernism is dead, because at a gut level we seem to have moved on past the alienation, irony, and distaste for authority that so signified the West from the 1950's to the 1980's. Or have we? It's not obvious that contemporary Western society has moved past the criticisms of authority that postmodernism champions - if anything, this idea against authority, both intellectual and political, has been accepted as part of the mainstream. The culture that created Julian Assange, the tea party movement, Donald Trump, and Twitter are firmly within the philosophical stew that is postmodernism. And finally, the death of print journalism is perhaps the strongest indication of our society's rejection of narrative as dictated by an "establishment". As for the new technology that you pin your arguments on - the "hypertext" that links related ideas together in an ever-expanding web of references - this is not new. If anything, it was born of and within the postmodern tradition. The post-structuralism of Derrida and Barthes as well as the works of Borges, Vonnegut, Pynchon, and more recently David Foster Wallace are all manifestations of this "new" form of information that is not book-based. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but this is nothing new. Again, postmodernism wanted to break down traditional ideas of narrative structures in a grander project of breaking down authority as a whole, and the non-hierarchical way to consume information that hypertext offers is a manifestation of, and product of, postmodernist thought. Finally, the prevailing pessimism about the course of history, where you cite the failures in democracy and the chaos in markets and the EU, are also not as new as you make it seem. This pessimism first started with the failures in Vietnam, the first time in which the US was unable to bring stability to a region with democracy. At that time, with the belief that democracy the ideal political structure as proven by World War II, the failure of Vietnam was a serious blow to the liberal intellectual establishment in their projects towards creating an intellectual framework for reading history. Combine that with the recessions of the late 1960's through the 1980's and the chaos in post-colonial Africa, and you get the pervasive pessimism about the future of history. This pessimism continues to this day, and postmodernism formed in response to and tries to address these problems. The theories that postmodernism espoused during the Vietnam era that felt so radical at the time has, by now, settled into the accepted cultural milieu of contemporary society. Irony has become the norm, and self- and inter-reference has become a vehicle of media. The endless remakes and parodies that we see in contemporary media is a sign that our culture has embraced and accepted postmodernism, not moved past it. Postmodernism may have lost its edginess, but that only means that we have firmly moved into it, not past it.
@MerkstreetUk
8 жыл бұрын
+dandy-lions "Postmodernism may have lost its edginess, but that only means that we have firmly moved into it, not past it." - Interesting idea. Almost contradicts a more commercialist notion that the things that are exciting and fashionable are the things that are relevant; but rather than what is intrinsic and mundane is truly "current".
@noddwyd
8 жыл бұрын
+dandy-lions nebulous and hard to pin down. I agree with that. We're binding ourselves to the narrative now by no longer wanting to be bound to a narrative so much. The whole thing is sort of silly.
@MerkstreetUk
8 жыл бұрын
+noddwyd So you agree with the idea that rather than being a post-postmodern society we simply embraced postmodernism as a norm and therefore are reeling in a cycle of self and inter-reference?
@noddwyd
8 жыл бұрын
Definitely. But I don't truly feel the titles like "postmodernism" "postpostmodernism" and "atemporalism" matter all that much until long, long after the fact. Which I though might have been the true point of the video, but it got lost in the terms somewhere. Personally I think of it as the "short attention span" era.
@Diaramamond
8 жыл бұрын
+dandy-lions I also found this video less convincing than others on this channel and was glad to see some insightful criticisms. The self-assured sentence at the end about finally being "able to see with clear eyes" made me think twice. Surely it was only ever the best historians who were actually concerned about their own values clouding their judgement and the poor ones who imagined they could see the past clearly.
@andrepilli
9 жыл бұрын
Extremely insightful and perceptive of you to gather and present this info. Thanks again for the content.
@Nerdwriter1
9 жыл бұрын
***** My pleasure!
@Bill-zp2mt
9 жыл бұрын
Nerdwriter1 Have you seen Grave of the fireflies ?
@owenmorgan1967
8 жыл бұрын
+Nerdwriter1 Our pleasure. i mean your work is amazing and is a pleasure to view.
@filipskrzat
7 жыл бұрын
Link to this piece of graphic on your screen, please? :)
@wolfdang
7 жыл бұрын
fui nos comentários pra ver se alguém tinha notado as imagens de são paulo, e encontro um paulista foda nos comentários .... q surpresa agradável
@Footnotes2Plato
9 жыл бұрын
I don't know... atemporality sounds more like hypermodernism to me. Not so much something new as it is the old, only electrified. Überindividualism with ADHD. Each of us is constantly devising our own personal metanarratives, publishing our own personal commentaries on world history in every tweet. Each one of our narratives meets its demise almost instantly upon being posted, of course. If we are lucky, our text is made hyper. It gets linked to bits and is soon unrecognizable. If modernism was about making the machine, and postmodernism was about fighting it, then atemporalism is about coming to terms with the fact that we have now become the machine. We are *in* it, of it, surrounded and engulfed. It is just a remix of the same old "end of history" song.
@DarkMoonDroid
9 жыл бұрын
Hmmm... I'm struggling with the constant use of the terms "we", "us", "our", etc. As if humans only exist as a group. Just using such terms and seeking meaning for their object enacts the metanarrative impulse, making any claims to have outgrown metanarratives naïve and any enactment of them regressive. What is the forward motion here? If we don't go back to making grand statements from implicit and unconscious values and we don't abstain from making grand statements, then what _do_ we do? Why must our values be unknown? Acting them out without stating them has not been very useful for conflict resolution purposes at any scale and we've already been there and done that to death? Why can't we move out of that position?
@galek75
6 жыл бұрын
This "atemporality" seems to be more of a recipe for disaster...
@restlessnameless85
8 жыл бұрын
Why do you think that the internet's job is to provide a coherent narrative? I've always thought of the internet's job as increasing connectivity. It's about ease of access to information and the contrasts that creates, not about creating anything coherent. You're statement "the internet is not doing it's job" makes the inherent claim that somewhere, someone has decreed what it's intent is. The internet has no intent. It has uses, and quite a lot of them, and the people who use it have intent. The intent of those individuals never crosses over into creating a single system with a unified goal, nor should it.
@antebellum606
8 жыл бұрын
+sean rodgers Talking about emergent phenomena in terms of behaviour makes it easier to talk about. It's not inferring intent; It's a literary device.
@Moonawrathic
8 жыл бұрын
+sean rodgers The internet and the people using it will accumulate accepted "truths" about a subject, feed it's users that info, and only propel that "truth" further, like a snowball effect, until one day, once the reliance on the internet is SO massive, that the only thing feeding the internet knowledge are subjects of the internet its self.
@lattice737
8 жыл бұрын
+sean rodgers I think what he meant was that the growth of internet connectivity and information access was expected to produce greater, end-all explanations and understanding by the generations who experienced life without it. Instead, like you said, it became a hallmark for epistemological diversity and access. More current generations are in a better position to see it not as an overarching network that can explain everything but as an infrastructure that connects different people and information, respecting it for the connections rather than the conglomerate
@GiggleBlizzard
8 жыл бұрын
I feel like this comment thread is an interesting example of what he's talking about.
@derekGarbanzo
8 жыл бұрын
why not do a cowboy bebop analysis. please
@NickolasLacey
8 жыл бұрын
+Derek Omar yes, please.
@2gt5
8 жыл бұрын
+Derek Omar If you want a little something to watch on the subject, here's a decent video I found.
@derekGarbanzo
8 жыл бұрын
where...
@ericm1839
8 жыл бұрын
+Derek Omar because anime is trash
@derekGarbanzo
8 жыл бұрын
Eric Miesbauer R.I.P slayeeedddd
@AmnesiaWins
9 жыл бұрын
I understand that the world has become more complicated, connected and diverse and therefore a little bit more difficult to label. But doesn't the difficulty mostly arise the fact that it's extremely hard to label the time you yourself live in and that the transactions are fluid but most of all that the people and the culture are simplified in hindsight, and set with arbitrary dates which doesn't really match reality and would feel foreign for a citizen of that time?
@gio-ve7vn
4 жыл бұрын
this is where I thought the video was going to be about honestly. I doubt the modernist and postmodernist called themselves so. To think the past was any less complex than the present is kind of arrogant. We have the advantage of hindsight, knowing what happened and why. Just as we don't know the future, people of the past didn't either. There are many moments in history of collective uncertainty and unease. Now is no different.
@incogniftoar3943
2 жыл бұрын
Why we label things around us? I kinda irritated by the idea humans tends to labelize stuff to simplify things,it's just not working anymore.
@peachicey
9 жыл бұрын
This is hands down the best channel I've subscribed to so far.
@SanderDemeester
8 жыл бұрын
+Kara Lu Same for me :)
@owenmorgan1967
8 жыл бұрын
+Kara Lu i could not agree more.
@victortisme
4 жыл бұрын
Very low standard then
@rafaelscarpe2928
2 жыл бұрын
@@victortisme care to share similar contents, please?
@charmsword
8 жыл бұрын
Nerdwriter, your own video on "Child of men" movie shows how we are not free of opinions. Not knowing one's values leads either to consumerism or to depression, and both are easily manipulated by politics the like of Trump. The only way I can understand you is that you see "no values" as some kind of Socratian constant quest for Truth. Still, that is a value. He had to have a value to believe in strongly to die for it. I do really think we cannot hold such high values as searching Truth without tradition, without education and classical arts. There are simply too many sharks out there in the world of politics, ideology and consumerism. Thank you much for your videos. Cheers from Russia :)
@tbirdguy1
8 жыл бұрын
My Russian friend, We cannot cling to our rendition of history or tradition without fully examining what those traditional values spring from and what their continued espousal will lead to. A small town has a traditional festival where the poorest member of the town is mocked and violently beaten. This then forces all the town's members initially to work as hard as possible to not be the poorest, bringing at first growth and productivity, but over time dishonesty, theft, and corruption. Believing for example that a strong leader who forces his populace to maintain traditional social norms, and is the one who most effectively uses force and terror to maintain control, is one of those traditions that is sadly common in both hemispheres. -A friend from the US
@KayWhyz
9 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it's a detachment from history, or a wider understanding of subjective histories? With modernism and postmodernism, you had a small group of a very privileged kind making large statements, but out contemporary age has a larger outpouring of voices-the internet has lead to that, to a democratization of voices so that previously underprivileged viewpoints can carve out an audience where before they couldn't. As evidenced by people like Junot Díaz with "Oscar Wao," we might be more attached to history than ever-just not the Western canon of it. I might wager that these giant movements like modernism and postmodernism may not happen again because people from vastly different backgrounds and cultures have voice, with all their different cultural histories involved. (Interestingly, in previous literary movements that happened at the same time as bigger ones, we don't group them because of the differing viewpoints-modernism and the harlem renaissance are not connected in history despite happening at the same time, and there being a fair amount of cross-pollination between them. These underprivileged viewpoints cannot be so easily disconnected now.)
@FilmmakerIQ
8 жыл бұрын
This is absolutely terrific!!!
@ericm1839
8 жыл бұрын
+Filmmaker IQ also borderline terrifying
@ihazthots
8 жыл бұрын
Existentialism > Post-Modernism. As UT-Austin philosophy professor Robert Solomon aptly put it, "I've read the postmodernists with some interest, even admiration. But when I read them, I always have this awful nagging feeling that something absolutely essential is getting left out. The more that you talk about a person as a social construction or as a confluence of forces or as fragmented or marginalized, what you do is you open up a whole new world of excuses."
@eldano99
5 жыл бұрын
Muamurko that’s in waking life! I love that film
@victortisme
4 жыл бұрын
Better ignore reality then, if you feel like thinking = looking for excuses.
@b.martinyu-artist2138
4 жыл бұрын
Excuses? Excusing from what? Just curious.
@tticusFinch
3 жыл бұрын
@@b.martinyu-artist2138 i believe it means that if you believe you are wholly the byproduct of society or that your actions, beliefs, feelings, and thoughts are simply because of things out of your control, you give up the idea that you can do anything of your own free will or have any semblance of independence. Nothing you do is initiated by you or, if it is, your response is what has been culturally ingrained in you. You're a good person? You can thank your culture for instilling those good beliefs in you. You're a bad person? You can thank society for molding you in such a way that facilitates bad behavior. Society can be your excuse for any and all behavior if you believe you are simply a construct of society, and with that, you give up a sense of personal responsibility for your actions.
@themarquess
8 жыл бұрын
I didn't feel convinced by the conclusion of this video. On a wider level you have a point, but on a personal level this is tragic. My best friend died recently and it's making me think deeply about my own attitude to life. My friend held strong convictions. He looked up to 20th century liberal thinkers and his convictions drove him in life, gave his life purpose. Few months before he passed we had an argument about ideology. I said ideology is a straight jacket. Everyone should make decisions based on a case by case basis, because life is too complex and multi-faceted. If you label yourself with an ideology, you're tempted to bend your decisions in accordance with it and inevitably sometimes this will cause you to make the wrong decisions, because no ideology is a silver bullet. My friend counter-argued that ideology is the only way to bring about change in the world. Unless a lot of people rally around a single idea, no progress or change can ever be accomplished. Well, he's gone and my uncertainty about my own values is working against me now. I don't know why I'm alive. I want my life to be meaningful and I want to have a positive impact on the world, but I don't know how that might look like. I do feel like we're disconnected from history, but that just means we have no way of defining our own impact of the future. Isn't that a problem?
@RicardoSenzo
8 жыл бұрын
I find the contemporary push to discount and sweep aside ideologies as decrepit, restrictive or simply of no use (my words, not yours) is in itself an ideology of resistance and challenge that has saturated the minds of people at all levels of 'Western society' (the rise of which has its roots in European enlightenment thought) but I don't yet see how this new hyper-individualistic and supposedly liberating idea provides any better outcomes for the well-being of humanity than long held belief systems. Rather, it seems to leave people more (privately) confused and less willing to work together than when they were bound together and stratified by their specific ideology (the opposition to ideology itself being the catalyst of disagreement and dispute as much as the content of the ideology under dispute). Of course, I have a mental tapestry of grounded reasons as to why I hold this opinion which I couldn't properly articulate in this small space, but still, I just felt a need to comment. I think ideology is fine and useful provided it doesn't incite bigotry and hatred, which, sadly, is often what doctrine births, but it isn't ideology that's the problem in this regard. It's ignorance, vanity, chauvinism, and 'othering'; qualities usually cultivated and socialized early on, then self-reinforced later, which don't have to be directly tied to an ideology. Also, it's technically impossible to be disconnected from history. History, meaning 'what people did in the past' is responsible for our physical and intellectual environment, excluding almost nothing. If you mean personally, consciously disconnected, then yeah, that's probably the case for many people. Most likely because they don't know much about it and aren't aware of the pervasiveness of it in the 'everday'. I feel for you Themarquess. We're all searching for meaning and purpose in our lives (or at least we should be). Sorry about your friend.
@elizabethwear4113
8 жыл бұрын
I definitely think there's something to this. The way we understand history has completely changed; we used to frame history as being propelled forward by specific people and specific events, all viewed in isolation from one another so that each historical moment is unique and stands alone. But the trends-and-forces model is on the rise; we're coming to understand that all historical moments come together to form patterns, and that people and events only shape history as much as history shapes them. We're looking at our past in a significantly more comprehensive way now, bringing in all our increasing knowledge of psychology, sociology, economics, and other fields of study as being more relevant than any one important person. In other words, it's not just about Caesar anymore; it's about every detail of the world that Caesar was born into, and where he fits into its natural trajectory.
@elizabethwear4113
8 жыл бұрын
***** I think you made some great points and I really, really don't want to pick a fight with you here, but I'd feel remiss not to point out that religious inclination has been on a pretty steady decline for a good while now... I'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing, and I'm not saying that any one historical trend can be attributed to it, and I'm not saying that it portends any state of religiosity in the future. I'm just stating it as a fact that societies overall have been departing more and more from religion as a cornerstone of social functionality (compare today's religion-based social norms to those of three hundred years ago, and compare three hundred years ago to six hundred years ago... the differences are rather striking). Interpret that however you like.
@NowhereMan2710
8 жыл бұрын
+Chilling Goat 'The only religion that seems to cause way too much harm is Islam' - felt I needed to point out that this is almost definitely incorrect.
@soccered888
8 жыл бұрын
+Elizabeth Wear The internet has broke from conventional methods of writing history. Suddenly every single person can hypothetically chip in, erasing an overarching conception of how things were. A lot of mainstream media has now become illusory built on fragmented viewpoints and not eye witness testimony. The reporter of yesterday that went out to find the news is now playing telephone/instant message with somebody who saw it first. Remember that age old game of telephone when we were kids, when it gets to the last person it's an abstraction of what was really said.
@NowhereMan2710
8 жыл бұрын
soccered888 Writing history has always been based on fragmentary evidence and doesn't always use eye witness testimony. Besides eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable, subjective and rubbish at seeing the big picture. There rarely is, or ever has been, an overarching conception of history, let alone one that actually stands up to sustained criticism. The 'Chinese whispers' effect you describe can be seen at any period of history writing, it's not a uniquely modern phenomenon.
@elizabethwear4113
8 жыл бұрын
soccered888 NowhereMan2710 I'm inclined to agree with nowhereman. The further back you go in history the more inaccuracies you can expect to find because of peoples' reliance on word of mouth as opposed to documentation. The line between fact and fiction was not as clearly defined in the ancient world, and historians (who in some times and places were singers/orators rather than writers) were fully expected to take liberties in order to tell a more interesting story; it was par for the course to exaggerate numbers and to treat legend as fact. The telephone effect of which you speak holds much greater sway in a world without camera phones, and still more in a world with limited literacy. Nowadays so much that goes on has visual and/or audio recording, which is as significant of a leap in historical documentation as the transition from spoken word to written word was. The advent of photos, videos, and audio recordings was as big of a deal to our understanding of history as the advent of widespread written language was a few thousand years prior, and the use of the internet to share these things is similarly comparable to the introduction of the printing press. These innovations are a very, very big deal for our understanding of modern events. That's not to say that our development of modern history is factually flawless, but it certainly makes it a more sophisticated task to corrupt. On the whole I think our trajectory is moving closer to accuracy, rather than further from it. I can watch a video of JFK's assassination if I want to, in order to suss out as many of the finer details as I can; I cannot say the same of Julius Caesar's assassination. God what I wouldn't give for video recordings of Caesar's time.
@jwrightsedam
9 жыл бұрын
Your videos are fucking great man. Thanks for making them.
@Nerdwriter1
9 жыл бұрын
jwrightsedam Thanks for watching them.
@jerrykoh9692
8 жыл бұрын
god damn you are so fucking good
@GrayMatter_
9 жыл бұрын
I remember stumbling across your videos way back in 2012 and have been following your channel ever since. You are definitely one of my favourite channels of all time, and when you stopped making videos for a while I really felt like KZitem lost something special, so knowing you're making these full time makes me so happy. I recommend you to everyone I know because I truly think you deserve success because your content is of the highest quality (though selfishly I do love you being smaller so you can really answer questions in the comments). I guess there's no real point to this other than to tell you that I love all the enlightening stuff you do and that I'll try and give as much money as I can. Thanks again. Matt
@Nerdwriter1
9 жыл бұрын
Matthew Gray Thanks Matt. Patreon keeps The Nerdwriter alive, but comments like this are what really keep me going.
@JoseAyapan
8 жыл бұрын
+Matthew Gray I like your profile pic
@maulena4449
8 жыл бұрын
awww : ) That's the cutest thing I've seen today, and I have seen a dog trying to cuddle a baby sloth
@NOCTURNUSFILM
9 жыл бұрын
You don't have "clear eyes" only because you don't know what your "values" are. In fact, it's quite the opposite, I think.
@NanaYawAforo
9 жыл бұрын
+NOCTURNUS FILM what do you mean?
@NOCTURNUSFILM
9 жыл бұрын
I meant, that you always interpret reality based on your subjective and socialized values. But when you know your values, maybe you're able to take them into notion. Nerdwriter1 said, that we have clearer eyes because we don't know our values and I think that he's wrong there. But it's still a great video. ;)
@SexycuteStudios
9 жыл бұрын
+NOCTURNUS FILM Where we're going, we don't need eyes to see........
@MrEwanRoy
9 жыл бұрын
As far as universal trends go, I think 'atemporality' is the best worldview to go with. The less society believes that any given history is a continuous, linear narrative heading towards some social/psychological climax (cough, cough, The Singularity, cough, cough), the better. It's important to realize that, often times in history, people take one step forward in the direction of one particular school of thought, and two steps back. I think this is part of the reason why we agree there's some intrinsic value in learning history, because it helps us in a search for a golden philosophy that's been forgotten. A couple of questions: 1) Do you think Wikipedia (or sites with similar conceits) has a mission to bridge the gap between The Network and The Canon? On one hand, Wikis have the potential to have every datum of knowledge documented, sorted, and indexed. On the other hand, there will never be a 'Chapter One' of the Internet. 2) Have you read Film Critic Hulk's essay 'Post-Modernism...Not a Thing'. I'll link it if you haven't. As a person who regularly uses "post-modern" to describe my favorite art films and literary movements of the late 20th century, I think the essay is a great read, and hilarious, even in the very few paragraphs where Hulk gets a tad bit simplistic. filmcrithulk.wordpress.com/2011/09/07/post-modernism-not-a-thing/
@AndrewMorrisYouTubeChannel
9 жыл бұрын
Nerdwriter is a god tier channel.
@NickolasLacey
8 жыл бұрын
+Eric Needs definitely check out the original Vsauce channel, nerdwriter takes a lot of his style from that channel.
@AndrewMorrisYouTubeChannel
8 жыл бұрын
If you want film, try Channel Criswell, Every Frame a Painting, and see who they follow also. For regular type philosphy or art conversations, check *****
@NickolasLacey
8 жыл бұрын
***** i'm not really sure what you're referring to but I'm referring to the original Vsauce with Michael, not the other channels. That channel has arguably more substantial videos than nerdwriter.
@NickolasLacey
8 жыл бұрын
***** they are like 3 other channels with other personalities and I don't care for them that much, that's probably what you saw. Some of his videos are comical but they are incredibly informative and entertaining.
@theriffwriter2194
8 жыл бұрын
Your wallpaper is distracting.
@foxyr4bbit
8 жыл бұрын
that is actually a diagram of his ideas
@theriffwriter2194
8 жыл бұрын
F0XYr4bB!T and.
@MaoRuiqi
8 жыл бұрын
Although clicking like, i disagree with your optimistic pre-conclusion, with regard to the opportunities that are apparent when no prevailing, codified belief system clearly reigns. While this notion, of course, is true, the reverse is also true; most notably, in times of chaos, petty ideologues rule with iron fisted certainties vying to fill the vacuum. For example, today's high schools and universities are fraught with intersectional-SJW ideologues hell bent on converting rather than opening opportunities for new thoughts.
@christiangottsacker6932
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. You said it all for me, champion.
@Biouke
7 жыл бұрын
What are you saying? Postmodernism isn't finished, we're right in the heart of it. This video, particularly the conclusion, is echoing the postmodern narrative (or lack of narrative indeed).
@CosmiaNebula
4 жыл бұрын
They didn't say it ended, just that people kind of pay a lot less attention to the word "postmodernism" because it has become the default position.
@blablabubles
8 жыл бұрын
The first bit is nonsense. We never think of our own age in terms of some coherent idea. Nobody in the 60's though that it was the 'Post Modern Era' nor did anybody in the 1750's think they were in the 'Enlightenment Era'. Its no suprise we don't think about our time that way now.
@SaratChandran
8 жыл бұрын
+blablabubles Exactly what I came to say, but in a different way. It is more about how we tend to think of labels or ideas as being representative of a time period or a generation, in retrospect.
@woganjones2012
7 жыл бұрын
Only now have I discovered the treasure trove that is your channel. This video summarised and pinpointed a feeling that has been swimming inside me for a long time. I love your clarity. Please continue your work. I have offered my support to you on Patreon. The 'network' seems like a maelstrom of fear right now. The only strong narrative is fear and fear doesn't need an ending. It can go on and on. Voices like yours are needed my friend. Thank you for sharing.
@RicardoSenzo
8 жыл бұрын
Some great comments and discussion here. If all this video achieved was the sharing of insightful ideas in a non-inflammatory manner, then it was worth posting.
@danieltne407
8 жыл бұрын
The characteristics you ascribe to atemporality are inherent to postmodernism. Or at least the deconstructing of historical and cultural discourses, most notably historical ones. Similarly, the changes attributed to this current technological network were predicted by theorists speculating about a media we have continued to embrace. Flusser, Baudrillard, McLuhan, for example. These are all essentially postmodern in their outlook. Its certainly true that postmodernism evades definition, but I would argue this is because it is not a critique of modernism per se, but the narratives that embody power structures like modernism, in particular temporality. This is yet another good synopsis of the questions of our time, but I think it represents rather than refutes postmodernism.
@charlesjurgus
6 жыл бұрын
"Whether we're looking back or forward, the atemporal age and person can finally see with clear eyes [...]" ...about two feet in front of their face. This Pollyanna vision makes the common mistake made by atheists... that reality and truth is apparent t anyone and acquired with a single glimpse. There is simply too much which needs to be understood in order to live a successful life. And we must begin living that life before we acquire all the basic knowledge necessary. So... what we used to have are belief systems which align our sense of direction, obligation and expectation so as to merge our interests and understanding to keep the realm of language, discourse, failure, success, expectation and right-action a commonly understood and negotiated thing. Now, what we have however, is a fantasy-land of ego, contrived communities, power-worship and group think in isolated contexts which assume no sense of connection with those outside that group... in short, a Tower of Babel based upon ego rather than an all inclusive sense of truth. Rather, it is my truth against your truth and whoever has the biggest, most powerful, most vicious, most wealthy, (whatever that particular brand of power is based on) in contention with those immediately at hand for whatever can be found and taken at hand. In a word, chaos... where power carries the day. You have a tendency to do what a lot of entities reliant on ad-dollars do... paint a rosy picture where for the sake of a "daddy knows best" affect. Right now, people and entire communities are being debased to greater and greater degree and no one is paying attention to what is being done... for instance... In my community we are caught in the grip of a degenerating trend in which the housing stock is becoming debased. People put there money into a home to protect their income but then don't have the time, resources or understanding to maintain that investment. Meanwhile, the cost of repairing a stair, or just having the gutters cleaned keeps climbing... with workmen who are more and more just interested in getting on to the next job... often doing inferior work or simply damaging the properties they are hired to maintain. These contractors are in competition with other contractors with no heed paid to market saturation for the work they provide and therefore have to find any and all cheats available to them to get the job and get on to the next. Real estate agents and paid home inspectors collude with one another luring unsuspecting home purchasers into overpriced money-pits as construction companies wait in the wings to gobble-up the failed home purchases and deteriorating housing stock for much more cheaply constructed new build so they can keep afloat doing the least work for the most return at the expense of the quality of life and value of the housing stock in a given community. These guys wield the great sway over local governance because of how many people they employ and how much money the make. They decide who gets paid a livable wage and who doesn't largely dependent on who is willing to kowtow to the employment terms--very often people who have inherited just enough property or wealth to make their fleeced wage acceptable. But this is happening everywhere all at once... I am a veteran who has been out of work after having been cheated out of hundreds of thousands of dollars I simply won't ever get justice for... I have had three long term relationships in my life and all three women have been raped... almost everyone I know is either an alcoholic, a pot smoker (or heroin or coke, or meth-addicted), on mood adjusting pharmaceuticals, depressive or have simply been brutalized into a state of stupification (simply rendered too stupid to be capable of self-awareness much less awareness of what is going on around them). Just today... I spent the second day of following a labyrinth of recorded phone messages and clueless tele-service-associates to track down payment for a hospital visit to a local doctor. I am an hour from the closest VA so I opted for a new program called "Choice" (not to be confused with it's replacement... "Community Choice"). The hospital visit cost $600 and all of a sudden "Choice" was discontinued so I am on the hook for this money--which I don't have. I wouldn't even have gone to the doctor if I had known the program was discontinued, I am in nearly perfect health. But that doesn't matter now. the rug has been pulled out from beneath me and I am that much further from getting control of my finances. Meanwhile, I am buried beneath an economy which is mis-reported as being healthy... Fucking Bullshit!... and the power-distribution within the community is more and more aligned with power-capabilities rather than with the interests of the local community or even basic laws and regulations--much less simple decency. Everyone feels the noose constricting but they think kicking the guy next to them will win some favor. There is a reason the flesh-eating living-dead has such moment and such basic failing in its telling. Those who feel its pertinence can't look away, and those who convey its story don't understand the circumstances of those of us who feel its pertinence--because they are employed and bought-out. In order to understand where we are... it is necessary to understand where we came from... including the lies and misunderstandings which guided former policies and perspectives... it's that simple. Your vision of an atemporal age, seems to me to be the ground opening up beneath our feet and a chasm swallowing huge swathes of the population while others at the new cliffs edge thank the stars for their footing and turn to walk away as quickly as possible--only, that much more meaningless and stupid congratulating themselves for their own survival.
@goldwellnesscenter
8 жыл бұрын
This video made me sign up with Patreon. I cannot, in good conscience, watch this much quality distillation of worldview without contributing.
@zoonedin2413
8 жыл бұрын
1:10-1:14 they all be cheering till they find out Y2K
@_jasper9396
9 жыл бұрын
Have you read David Foster Wallace's essay on New Sincerity? Can't it be said that your easy acceptance of this apparently inherent atemporality of society is mainly somewhat of an optimistic take on postmodern cynicism? Love this channel, btw~
@racleme
8 жыл бұрын
Nice to see images from the city of Sao Paulo in Brazil from 4'54 to 5'01.
@NoNamedNobody692
7 жыл бұрын
DAVID FOSTER WALLACE Mwtamoderism FTW!!!
@TheLuisberg
9 жыл бұрын
Great vid man. I have a request. Please do a video of Sigmund Freud ( if that's how it's spelled) and his impact on the modern world.
@Nerdwriter1
9 жыл бұрын
TheLuisberg Top Commentor God I would fucking love to do that.
@TheLuisberg
9 жыл бұрын
Lol.
@Elivasfq
8 жыл бұрын
Postmodernism did lost, but never gave up. Your entire video shows it. You seem to think that there are no facts and only the narrative, the story matters. Its not that stories, even false ones (that are not based on facts) have no impact on the world, they have a great impact on it. Its that if the story is divorced entirely from facts (and many such stories can be found online) it may cause huge amount of harm, suffering, evil and death. Interestingly enough it is something that huge swaps of the educated seem to be unable or unwilling to accept.
@usernameTheInnerTube
9 жыл бұрын
Once again more things that I didn't know that I needed to know. Now I know......... sort of. Well now I think that I shall go have myself an existential crisis..... OK here it comes! WOoooOoo... **_burp_** oh wait.... I believe that was just the meatloaf I had for dinner. Cirsis averted. No seriously, good stuff as usual. I do enjoy your videos even though I don't necessarily understand them all.
@Nerdwriter1
9 жыл бұрын
Dr_Boom Careful with those crises, Dr_Boom.
@pipofla4784
8 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ.... I wanted to procrastinate from English homework... I did not expect to be mind blown. Interesting video and really well edited and put together.
@WhaleManMan
3 жыл бұрын
Typical of Nerdwriter to say the Iraq War and Greece's economic problems somehow have connection to Google and steampunk.
@tobiasbeer2689
6 жыл бұрын
Words like "post modernism" are pretty pointless. Wouldn't you agree? Neither modernism nor post modernism deserve any holy grail. Both are vague and untrue in some ways and acceptable in others. Is it determinism or indeterministic? Is it free will or fate? Is it science or belief? Is it nature or nurture, err human tech? All that is nonsense. The world unfolds as the world unfolds. Some determinisms make sense for a while in an otherwise infinite and infinitely diverse and ever changing reality that everyone looks at from their own angle(s). Too much black and white has you ignore all the color your eye will never know. Never noticed all those blindly science-enthousiastic people? It can hardly be said that post-modernism fell apart. Some ingenious nitwits even think they can apply basic logic to everything. Turns out, reality is a bit different than a simple logical transition game where patterns unfold as defined by constraints and basic algebra. The world is not mathemagic. Maths helps you make sense of the world, to approximate something about it. But there's an endless amount of stuff that is beyond any abstraction. So what is an abstraction worth? Perhaps a moment of consideration, perhaps two... but never the holy or wholly grail to cover all grounds, neither in design, nor in discovery, and especially not in pure mental models that have you believe there actually are black holes and giant cosmic suction funnels warping and expanding all reality. Once you've arrived at that level of ignorance, it's time to go and UNLEARN some of the crap you had yourself spoon-fed or gobbled down yourself.
@lewissmith5759
7 жыл бұрын
i think there will not be a master narrative as the network allows individual is prioritised
@tobiasbeer2689
6 жыл бұрын
Determining the truth value of information in a network or in a library is both difficult. You may think it is easier in one system or the other, but eventually you will come down to the fact that, perspective is in everything, that things are only superficially either black or white, that beyond the scope of what you dare look at there's always more and that the whole bloody thing is an ever moving target anyway, no matter how much you "preserve" that in books or otherwise. These concepts are universal and will make you suffer for knowing they're true: * change (and that things flow at any given moment, no matter how much you are looking for anchors and foundations) * infinity (and that your physical or mental walls are but your own boundaries) * duality (and that's it's still not just black and white= * relativity (no, not that Einstein crap, just basic "I view things that way")
@seatek
9 жыл бұрын
Well, that's what you get when you shred even the existential, and all that has has come before, as the Postmodernists had - a void filled with imaginary noise. ;) Mass consumption of TV I think led to the heyday of Postmodernists, seeing so many reflections. What could possibly be truly important and meaningful in that, looking back? And with our acceleration even now, we are left without even the time, or opportunity, to contemplate, except as a further reactionary impulse against an informational onslaught, that we are, perhaps, overly concerned with unifying. We do not see our own mind, just as people living in a time cannot fully understand their impulses and motivations, until wisdom, gained at some price, looks back, seeing what self-constructed force permeated our actions all along. We can feel special now, if we like. Others, or ourselves, later on, may even think us so. If what we are goes well.
@Nerdwriter1
9 жыл бұрын
Mark Rushing Well said, Mark.
@seatek
9 жыл бұрын
Nerdwriter1 Thanks Evan
@MakeMeThinkAgain
9 жыл бұрын
+Mark Rushing I was reading a book about Michel Foucault (and his contemporaries) and it was interesting how many of them had been shaped by the German occupation of France during the war. Much of what we think of as simply mid-20th century intellectual thought, was perhaps the PTSD of a generation that had lived through a traumatic time at a vulnerable age.
@ayaha.9110
6 жыл бұрын
This is so interesting. But I've always wondered: what if people living in the past didn't "know what [their] values [were]" either? What if, say, during the Romanticism period, people didn't really know that the trend was Romanticism, or they didn't have one idea that they all found popular, but instead had many different ideas? What if historians saw it as a clear set of values, but at the time it wasn't? What if in the future, historians will look at our time period and label it without seeing it much more diverse than the modernism period?
@theunknowncorps22
9 жыл бұрын
The world is slowly accepting that the Universe is a form of chaotic order. An emergent evolutionary phenomenon that if allowed to evolve (rather than imposing top down order on it) is the best way of letting things go forward. We are at a transition period in this from a technological and philosophical perspective. However this future 'picture' does not include postmodernism because postmodernism challenging everything in a way tries to impose its own top down order on the world despite being antithetical to this and has been rooted out by the evolution of well, everything. Will modernism 'survive'. I don't know. Science did give us the theory of evolution in a biological sense and not just by analogy, but by extension an understanding of the whole world. This master narrative will and has been evolving. Perhaps it will reach a fruition (but not by our own initiative) perhaps it won't and we're right in it right now. If there is to be a theory of everything it will emerge, not be discovered by a single genius. Atemporarility is a by product of our confusion in a branch in a long 'tree' of cause and effect, but were cause and effect blend into one another. Hence 'atemporarily'.
@mjvolschenk
7 жыл бұрын
"Most people agree postmodernism has ended"? That's just empirically untrue.
@ufotofu9
7 жыл бұрын
Firstst, I love your videos. Each and every one. However, I had a negative reaction to the way that you initially categorized certain epochs vis a vie modernism and postmodernism. I'm not even sure that I agree with your definition of post-modernism. we can categorize different eras by disciplines such as economics, political science or the sciences. We went through the New Deal era which turned into the Neoliberal era which we're living in right now. Before that was the industrial era and before that pre-industrial. you can also categorize time by scientific disciplines, such as the Newtonian ere, into the Einsteinian and quantum revolutions. There are eras that can be seen through the lender of engineering, such as the stone age, bronze age, steam age, the atomic age, and the Space Age into the computer age which we are living in right now. atemporality is an interesting concept, but I think that even it is an offshoot of post-modernism itself if you take the definition of post-modernism to mean a a meta understanding of culture and history.
@boltthunder8684
8 жыл бұрын
What is his background/screensaver? Anyone? Much appreciated.
@mauriciovelasquez3311
9 жыл бұрын
I think postmodernism falls by its own premises, when everything is valid/truth nothing really is, that's why there still are today movements trying to unify knowledge. That's why I don't share that thought of us being in the age of "atemporarity", the net has allowed us to connect, and being aware of the vast amount of knowledge that is produced around the world, but we still judge it, and validate it. The thing about this era is not that we can't make consensus of the knowledge out there, but that we have one hell of a challenge, as well as one hell of an opportunity.
@maximilianogoldy8330
6 жыл бұрын
This idea that atemporality cancels history is a trap. Narrative , any narrative, needs time.And the only way to embeb time in a narrative is with a history, not a story. A set of decisions, concious or not, that make you turn this or that way at certain points. This is not only in the real of fiction or history. This is also tru to subjetivity. And because we are products of history (Not of the past, that is inaccesible to us in it´s raw form) we need to anchor ourselves in it. This is what makes the idea of the tribe and it´s myths so powerful and necessary for our time. Not as a tool of discrimination, but as a segmentation, an aditing of the world. Like closing your eyes to a slit when you look at something to bright. Atemporality and the end of history is the myth of our era. It will prove usefull, sure, but also false and not comprehensive. Sorry my english, i´m not a native speaker and i´m writing while atempting to make my month old daughter sleep. By the way, having children is the real door to time. They make you mortal for good. Watch them be born, it´s a fantastic expirience on the imprinting of love.
@mihoma1769
8 жыл бұрын
So, the following comment is more a comment about your channel and not really specific to that video. but i guess as much time as i spend on that channel, i feel like i have to write sth. i just love the kind of videos you are making specially when it comes to philosophy, some films i watched and politics. Your perspective is always great, reflected but still - you have a grounded opinion without getting lost in intellectual pathways of the mind. but what i like the most is that you see your videos as a kind of art. not only to blog or to inform people but the way you create them is somehow different. more creative. or no, other videos are also full of creativity but let's say you make videos out of the box. well, as you might see, i am not a native speaker and somehow i do regret that when i watch your videos. i recognize that you use a great way to express yourself, but sometimes i fail to grab the deeper meaning of the language. it's a pity, because i love language, well, good language. also a point i love, cause not many people try to express themselves beautifully. yes, well anyway, cheers from Germany!
@idab2605
6 жыл бұрын
This is your first video I believe is nonessential in many aspects. For example where did you get that definition of postmodernism? Every single postmodernism theorist has his/her own definition of it. You started by begging the question of “the postmodernism has been ended”
@Thedarkknight2244
6 жыл бұрын
This con-artist is what you call a pseudo-intellectual. Naa your alright Nerdwriter, its supposed to be a funny joke since only pseudo-intellectuals think there clever enough to call people that. wait
@danhelman8076
7 жыл бұрын
I'm merely an historian, not an actual science fiction author like Bruce Sterling. So forgive me if I'm intruding. But for what it's worth, I can tell you that history most certainly *is* a science. The process of creating and debating a theory about who King Arthur might have been is indistinguishable (except in particulars) from the process of creating and debating where, how and when early hominid species proliferated. Creating a narrative about what happened in your kitchen yesterday (assuming you want to do so in a rigorous way) involves the same tools and methods -- and involves handling data and evidence in exactly the same way -- as does creating a theory about the evolution of the solar system. *Doing* history is a creative process, sure, but so is *doing* physics and biology. And all of these processes are narrative centred: theories are merely explanations, and all explanations must take the form of narrative. But all of these processes are also scientific processes, and what makes them scientific processes is the fact that they are *highly* constrained (art and literature are, by contrast, loosely constrained processes). All scientific processes -- history included -- are constrained in the same ways. A successful scientific theory -- whether it pertains to an historical or psychological or biological domain -- will be constrained chiefly by the knowledge surrounding it (i.e. the other successful theories on which it builds). It will also be constrained by its particular scope (i.e the data it selects to explain), and by needing to be coherent, specific (claiming no more than is necessary to explain the selected data) and difficult to vary (one should not be able arbitrarily to change components of the explanation to arrive at the same conclusion: this is why horoscopes are not good theories). A theory will be judged successful or not based on its explanatory power (i.e how much, of all the available data, the theory *can* explain), and by its parsimony (how little speculation the theory requires in order to account for outlying or *difficult* data). And of course the judging is done by a community of jealous specialists, each of whom is attempting to gain notoriety for themself by discrediting the theories of others, especially their predecessors. You may not feel, when you are *consuming* history -- by which I mean listening to and enjoying the theories proposed by professional historians -- that you are encountering scientific theories, theories that were produced under the constraints listed above. But you are. You may feel, as you pop casually into Wikipedia articles about the War of the Roses, that the epistemological status of an historical claim is in some intrinsic sense more humble than that of claims emanating from the physical or chemical sciences. But it is not. There is no difference whatsoever in how physical and historical theories are built and tested. It can be uncomfortable to confront this: not (I think) because we are being asked to elevate our esteem of the discipline of history to the levels usually accorded to the physical sciences; but rather because we are actually being asked to reduce the ridiculous levels of respect Western civilization typically pays to the physical sciences. A good physical explanation, like a good historical explanation, can be incredibly powerful. It can also be enjoyable, even beautiful (evolution by natural selection has to be the front-runner here). But each is incomplete, and waiting to be ousted by an improved theory that *will* one day come. No theory, therefore -- whether physical or historical -- should ever command your loyalty. Admiration is enough.
@beatrizfernandes1506
5 жыл бұрын
@Dan Helman Thank you for the clarification. I liked particularly the "community of jealous specialists"-trying-to-disprove-a-theory part. When I was taking my bachelor in Biology I was very disappointed and disillusioned when I realized that scientists, and therefore the knowledge they create/discover, aren't always objective. It saddens me that we didn't have a History of Science subject in our curriculum that would've enlighten us on how social, economical, political, cultural and religious norms influence scientific research and theory (and we're not even counting the personal part). It's especially important now that people have access to all sorts of information relating health and lifestyle and don't realize that sometimes that information is refuted by other studies. I personally have heard by different people that caffeine is either beneficial or damaging to your brain/body; I suppose it depends on the dose and varies with each person. I end this with something regarding scientific theory and people's worldviews: Max Planck, considered the father of quantic physics, said “A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.” He said this when the development of quantic physics went against his own philosophical views, which kind of shows that he was aware that part of his revulsion for the theory (as it was then) was not due to it's lack of logic; rather self-aware of him.
@beatrizfernandes1506
5 жыл бұрын
@Dan Helman Thank you for the clarification. I liked particularly the "community of jealous specialists"-trying-to-disprove-a-theory part. When I was taking my bachelor in Biology I was very disappointed and disillusioned when I realized that scientists, and therefore the knowledge they create/discover, aren't always objective. It saddens me that we didn't have a History of Science subject in our curriculum that would've enlighten us on how social, economical, political, cultural and religious norms influence scientific research and theory (and we're not even counting the personal part). It's especially important now that people have access to all sorts of information relating health and lifestyle and don't realize that sometimes that information is refuted by other studies. I personally have heard by different people that caffeine is either beneficial or damaging to your brain/body; I suppose it depends on the dose and varies with each person. I end this with something regarding scientific theory and people's worldviews: Max Planck, considered the father of quantic physics, said “A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.” He said this when the development of quantic physics went against his own philosophical views, which kind of shows that he was aware that part of his revulsion for the theory (as it was then) was not due to it's lack of logic; rather self-aware of him.
@bethbartlett5692
5 жыл бұрын
History would be so very much more a worthy serving - should it be what it is sold to ... "truth" a representation of the past - rather than the largely "Brotherhood of Main Streat Academics desiring to be Science" and supporting a 19th Century "Theorist", telling the stories that fit the ideas, that the Powerful deem worthy to their Global objectives. The ignoring of artifacts that are cast aside or escape through museum basements, because they disrupt the agreed upon *versions* that flow through the Cirriculm Textbooks - leads one to the vision of them continuing to try to put Cinderella's shoe on Drucella's foot. The idea that - any theory repeated long enough becomes fact in ones subconscious - is a sad but true, in the minds of the naive. Ethics - must surely escape, when the Ego is drawn in with guarantees and Tenure.
@daves-c8919
7 жыл бұрын
One of your best. so with no clear narrative to follow, we start doubting the past narrative as well. who wrote the story, and what was the agenda? Just like Michelangelo was hired to create art, the writers of history were also hired by the same members of the influential class. To me, this links directly to the mistrust of our news. Not because they are biased, but because they claim not to be. The future of history is in accepting that everything we say is a story, with a point of view, with omissions, decisions, limits in language and biases. Sort of what you do.
@RichardASalisbury1
9 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I agree with most of what you say, but I'm less optimistic than you (maybe because I'm a lot older). I think we all suffer from the frantic speed of change and information overload, both things that are driven essentially by economic forces, i.e. greed. If you've read Toynbee, you know his idea that the end time of a civilization--in this case the still dominant European Civilization (he called it Western Christian)--is marked by retreats into the fantasies of archaism (nostalgia for an imagined better past) and futurism. I believe this duality accurately labels much of what you describe.
@nirvanachile24
3 жыл бұрын
So... basically we're back to existentialism
@j.m.salazar9964
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's a shame that today we're just left with derivative meta-awareness that doesn't advance any particular theories
@plubassmusician
9 жыл бұрын
I am loving all of these videos!
@thetorresons297
3 жыл бұрын
2021 here....I’ve got some bad news.😬
@VeknesWaran
7 жыл бұрын
Jack Sparrow "the world is the same, there is just less in it"
@draw4everyone
8 жыл бұрын
You're like a less quirky yet almost more informative and poignant Vsauce. I love it.
@kidjecl
2 жыл бұрын
Man, I dont know. This comment will sink to the bottom, but if by any chance you read it, let me tell you, six years later this is looking pretty rough. Might just be my thing. I'm tired of getting tired of things to consume, because I still feel like consuming things that I don't really need or want. The dish is always ready, the order has always been shipped, the message delivered, the contact established, the meme seen, and so on. The life has already been lived. The only thing changing is the thing that feeds us. Maybe the creation drains the creator and that's how it should be. Anyway how's the climate going?
@daan327
Жыл бұрын
That was beautiful
@aartist90
9 жыл бұрын
What I don't have in available funding, I hope I can make up for with written support :) You're doing a kick-ass thing here, man. I really love your videos, and I've been a subber for quite a while. It just keeps getting better. I share almost every video you make and you keep popping up on blogs that I follow too! So good on ya! Keep thinking and writing and creating and I'll always be here watching. Cheers. Aaron
@Nerdwriter1
9 жыл бұрын
***** Written support is great. Also, sharing always helps.
@sweetgold
9 жыл бұрын
In this video you talk about an age of atemporality with in a wide scope respect to culture and traditions, which I agree with. Do you think this "atemporality" also applies to art specifically? Is contemporary art undefinable with no strict guidelines of given values, basically do we also live in an age of "atemporal art"
@Nerdwriter1
9 жыл бұрын
Zxiyer I think it's likely we do, yes. But I'd love to see someone develop the thought. Ahem.
@Daniel-fv1ff
8 жыл бұрын
I think society can only perceive it's evolution and change retrospectively. Perhaps in the future our current values will be defined and categorised somehow.
@tbirdguy1
8 жыл бұрын
Perhaps but only a relatively small number can see the forest for the trees, most of us are still mired in the unanimity of existence and are struggling for basic things. This momentary networked time will pass, as moments in time always do.
@zoeshamowie5525
9 жыл бұрын
I think that the lack of a cohesive ideology of an age is a thing of the past. However that doesn't mean that people are no less drawn to big movements. The diversity of the network will simply give way to many big movements all moving on their separate paths simultaneously. I, personally would love an age of atemporality to continue on. Great video by the way, keep it up!
@Nerdwriter1
9 жыл бұрын
John Smith I believe it will continue on. It surprises me that Sterling is so convinced it will pass on to something new, but then he's way smarter than me.
@pebre79
9 жыл бұрын
Soft sciences will have a hard time on the Internet to obtain authoritative status (master narrative)but engineering and hard sciences will thrive because best practices bubbleup e.g. open source projects where the group intelligence and meritocracy create popular software such as Linux and Wordpress. One organization , OSE, is betting hardware will thrive too.
@michaelmoser4537
9 жыл бұрын
How can postmodernism end if it has never been clearly defined ? Also isn't the absence of/mistrust in 'master narrative' a feature of post modernism? Also i don't see why we no longer have a narrative of history - in the end everything that is not fictional has some real references; so it is just as real as the history printed on paper. i think postmodernism became fashionable because of changes in the workforce - prior to the seventies white males dominated here, later a lot more women and minorities came in; this lead to a change of language - non discriminating 'political correctness'; and a change of management culture (less structures of dominance), and a more relativistic approach to history, minorities and women started to matter. What was needed was a label to name and get used to all these new tendencies - welcome to postmodernism. (since it was the eighties it was also very important to have some narrative that was ideologically neutral - not something left leaning like the Frankfurt school or something) Nowadays all these changes didn't go away overnight, people got used to there is less need for the label postmodernism. I would guess that nevertheless there is a 'super narrative' in all story : namely 'the show must go on'.
@jtbedazzle
9 жыл бұрын
+Michael Moser while we are now able to trace our documented history further back than ever before, we now also each have a voice and a story and any one thought can inspire the world for a millisecond, and then fade into obscurity never to be developed further. that is all because of the internet, and the way information is stored and sought. in fact, the digital age is actually changing the way in which our brain stores information. no longer can we memorize entire books, but, we can see a story take place while listening to it. we can literally picture the events we are being described. never has so much information been available to so many. it's uncharted territory. we can't remember the last time it happened to our world.
@makp.2586
3 жыл бұрын
Great video friend
@rggyrgffvrgt
9 жыл бұрын
Fascinating and educative as always
@SleepingPepper
8 жыл бұрын
This channel is amazing! I just discovered you through Wisecrack. I have subscribed and I am looking forward to more insightful content!
@paperxplane1
8 жыл бұрын
Nerdwriter1, I'm interested in your line of work, that is, speaking on philosophy and ethics - what college education, if any, did you seek?
@muhilan8540
6 жыл бұрын
I use Bing
@Tarik360
8 жыл бұрын
So we are basically in a blank-spot of time?
@onesendzeroes4800
8 жыл бұрын
If you feel like it
@Tarik360
8 жыл бұрын
Groovy.
@onesendzeroes4800
8 жыл бұрын
but it works better together
@tbirdguy1
8 жыл бұрын
More like we are in a temporary moment of clarity, we can see backwards and parse out the incredibly complex and arduous path humanity has taken to this point, and see ahead to the incredible mountains ahead. Doesn't mean we won't still continue to stumble and trip, and screw things up.
@dlvnmedia
8 жыл бұрын
I needed seeing something like this today, I have been in a serious serious state of depression for over two years, and I am hoping that SOMETHING SOMEDAY does change that reality. Or, barring that something finally clicks and I find myself in a place where I can find some happiness in my life. You are doing amazing work, and looking forward to digging through some more of your catalog.
@kimvance7817
7 жыл бұрын
As a student who's getting really sick of being taught in a test-oriented culture, it's awfully nice to remember that there are actual interesting, intellectual issues in the world. Thanks for your insight, it's excellent food for thought.
@echoes9966
8 жыл бұрын
Always thought of this !brilliant video and thanks for giving a name that is "atemporal" to my thoughts which kinda haunted me .wonder what the future will be like i.e to say no one will ever care about history anymore and there''ll be a 'digital door ' or something similar to it ..through which the future generation will traverse and have a glimpse of their past.
@olger05
6 жыл бұрын
Atemporality?! If its sounds like its made up, it probably is. To be clear we live in a Post-seculier time period as framed by Jurgen Habermas. Also a Technocratie that creates a economically useless class. But we like to think we live in a meritocratie where money looks like the only judgment for whats rightful. Completely amoral in it's nature. It feels more like you want to push a feeling of desperation upon your watchers. I find it a very strange manipulation technic, but yeah keeps te knowledge hungry, hungry so they keep on clicking. But keep up the good work love the channel, loyal subscriber :)
@coaroas9243
8 жыл бұрын
Which is probably why we live in times that lack in consistency, truth and morality. No one accepts any view not their own.
@nameguy101
8 жыл бұрын
I disagree.
@Traumglanz
6 жыл бұрын
I love your use of flying circus humor. :)
@LurkerTheta
9 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. It's so amazing to see where you got from the early videos of your channel. The quality was astonishing back then, too, but now it's just this symbiosis of content and form you create... by watching I enter this state of flow, which makes everything you present so clear and understandable. Maybe this is what 21st century philosophy should look like. Focused, nice to look at and inspirational.
@Nerdwriter1
9 жыл бұрын
Norman Marquardt What a nice thing to say. I have the best fans on KZitem, without question. For god's sake, just take a look at this comment section.
@LurkerTheta
9 жыл бұрын
Nerdwriter1 Yeah. Gives even more chills when you think about the different nationalities your fanbase consists of... Across all ages and social classes. That's the true magic of the Internet (and danger) . You introduced me, as a relatively young viewer and someone who would otherwise probably never have had the support to overcome the initial hurdles, to the realm of philosophy, by that I mean the necessary mindset. I discovered the School of Life, started to read my fellow Germans Nietzsche and Adorno and now I actually study it in university. So thank you again and don't you dare to ever stop making them videos! (cause I always look smart when I mention your ideas in my conversations)
@CelestiaLily
7 жыл бұрын
Just read "The Difference Engine" which somehow combined Sterling, Gibson, steampunk, and network atemporality into one!
@OninRuns
9 жыл бұрын
It's the age of metamodernism and cosmopolitanism. Look up recent criticism on these movements. You'll find their concepts very closely relate to the inability to find our master narrative, paradoxically.
@GregHuffman1987
6 жыл бұрын
I'm actually reading A History of Western Philosophy by Bertrand Russell
@bltaylor1734
9 жыл бұрын
Excellent video as always. Your point about the the fluidity of the Network becoming a more prominent presence in Authority intrigues me. Could you direct me to some other sources that speak on that subject? (...sits back and wonders if he'll get the joke...)
@thesavannalady
8 жыл бұрын
Brilliant.Two quick questions. 1. Was there really a master narrative ever? I would doubt this. I think the ideas of post-modernism for example, were master narratives for some people at some times, but not for everyone all the time, which means they are no longer narrative. 2. Has atemporality missed that although information is ever changing (as it always did but perhaps at a much faster pace), our culture is also affected by this influx of subjective information. 3. Has the amount of information weakened our history? I am not sure what I mean by this but I guess I am referring to the idea that the internet offers diluted knowledge, or as you said, information from "some guy on his couch." Interesting video...
@dshephardcomposer
7 жыл бұрын
Nerdwriter, I am a fan. I've been continually impressed with your insights and video presentations. But, in this video, if you're going to borrow SO heavily from Bruce Sterling's ideas (vis a vis his lectures) as you plainly do, then you need to spend more screen time crediting him properly rather than subtly passing them off as your own.
@whiskydogwhisky
9 жыл бұрын
I hope someone really answer me this question. Why would it matter? To put a tag into the times we are living? I'm really interested into knowing what would be the utility of it...
@MrEwanRoy
9 жыл бұрын
Yeah, i think that's the biggest problem with post-modernism. There's really no way to insert into some larger context besides "the thing that comes after modernism." Pinpointing a cultural movement as its happening is by and large a futile exercise and, as you've pointed out, really only comes down to putting labels on things. That's why some of the most famous movements we talk about today (Enlightenment, Romanticism, Modernism) didnt really get their names and definitions until after they were largely considered over.
@aasphaug
9 жыл бұрын
Manuel Eduardo Valenzuela Lara the tag comes with a diagnosis that has some truth to it. It helps us grasp the times we are living in, which has the potential of liberating us from it. What we make an object of study, we are no longer caught in, which means we can at some point move on. The tag helps us orient our awareness in this way.
@chadwarren9677
6 жыл бұрын
Actually, we already have a map for what a wired humanity is and how to operate - its called Gnosticism. The whole notion of intelligence as an agency of man goes back to them. That's what the movie, The Matrix, was going on about but I guess the nerds have trouble grocking just as I have difficulties in many areas of my life as I'm not a left brain genie nor am I successful based on my creative abilities - all of us arrested in our development. The map is not reality - that is the illusion. Its the reason why a yard care customer of mine had a guy roof her house while she was on vacation without her asking him too. I knew just by hearing that that it could be because he used Google Maps to find the location and his overconfidence in what it said caused him to make that error because I have made that error which only happens rarely using the service but obviously someone thinks you are stoned crazy out of your mind if you get out of the vehicle and go to the wrong property - their ignorance they misperceive as a superior intellect. The Nag Hammadi texts which are old Gnostic texts found by a Muslim who could have easily justified destroying them because they believe in genies in such pottery and because it was an Early Christian treasure - may we all experience the super-positioning of info that passes through the membranes of these conceptual identity divisions we perceive between we the anthropos so that radical empathy helps us co-operate in this infinite game as finite players. Its all connected - Kabbalah, CERN, 007 (eyeglasses hidden visual code - put on your They Live glasses) we are creating value from chaos - when enough of us realize we are both the winner and the loser we'll change how we play the game - one side wants to prolong the game by saying chaos rules the roost but I can show you that chaos is just an illusion draped over hidden forms like that fractal geometry can reveal. Give thanks for error as what makes us stronger and this consciousness of us all connected through the internet and natural intelligence of Mother Earth (wisdom and body) and Father God - consciousness is what ego runs on - we are made in the image of God and we are made to upgrade like in Iron Man 3 but we don't have to be more android I don't think. Your choice but we are each other's keeper. There is no individual without being tied to the group and there is no group that can speak for the individual though communitarians persist as do Individuals.
@DeathbyPixels
5 жыл бұрын
I would have to say that no given population of any given time knows its ideals at the time of its existence; it’s only after that era has passed that it can be given a name. There are plenty, hundreds, of things going on right now, but we can’t seem to focus on one to “define” this decade/era.
@harmonicpsyche8313
9 жыл бұрын
Yours is definitely one of the most inspiring, and one of the most intriguing, channels I have subscribed to.
@AmbroseReed
9 жыл бұрын
So interesting. I think it's our increased awareness of our own time period itself that makes it impossible for a new period to arise. We're constantly watching for it, or if not, saying "fuck it I'm just gonna make my own thing regardless of context," which disperses any possible universal narrative.
@YourMsRightHere
7 жыл бұрын
Atemporal + anomie! We are the hyperreality!
@benmac1089
6 жыл бұрын
I HATE it when someone says there won't be another ________! That is discouraging to people who want to do great things. It's insulting to human capabilities.
@lionelmessifan9836
7 жыл бұрын
This guy is the best intellectual person on the whole of KZitem, one of the best thinkers
@shibuigroup
6 жыл бұрын
What is the music playing in the background? I've heard it somewhere
@victorarielvivatdk65
9 жыл бұрын
I find your content extremely insightful and more useful than any other educational material I had studied in school or in the internet -I think that´s due to your huge passion and love towards the topics you choose. As the great Charles Chaplin once said, ´´we think too much and feel too little´´, I feel that your true love for a multi-faceted or multi perspective philosophy is the is the very reason why your videos, as short and straightforward as they are, are so impactful, because at the end knowledge is nothing without any source of real passion and love that can instill such ideas to others. Keep up the great work my friend.
@LAURHofficial
8 жыл бұрын
Your channel is amazing! Thanks for this captivating video
@newlandscollegechannel
8 жыл бұрын
Cheers from Year 13 History class. Newlands, NZ.
@TheMarshmelloKing
6 жыл бұрын
The positive aspect of hyper connectivity is losing “isms”. There are no “isms” they were just restrictive concepts we’ve finally dropped
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