For the full debate: kzitem.info/news/bejne/xXyP2JqBgYWHZaA
@fredbmurphy
Жыл бұрын
The Christian God cannot compensate for natural evil (natural suffering is a much more accurate term) and it's inequity because morality and moral choice play no role in it.
@KING-hb5wh
Жыл бұрын
Not if you were homeless in the first place
@hans.stein.
Жыл бұрын
The difference is: By God we live. And we may leave any time. (Just stop eating and drinking. It is not a painful death if you do not cling to life.) I agreewith you, though: The churches are a nuisance to man and God, just as Israel was most of the time. Actually, your enmity to the available ideas of God is more refreshing than most (999999ppm) babbling of denominations. (The de- part is the most truthful about them)
@deductivereasoning4257
Жыл бұрын
Your parents chose to bring you into the house of God. They chose to play God by bringing you into the world. They knew the world was a deeply imperfect place. God just allows this because God feels sorry for you because you were born homeless. Don't atheists feel sorry for homeless children? I wonder sometimes. And the house reference was the best analogy people before the 'magnetism age' could reason at the time. And since we are still in the 'magnetism age' and likely will not advance past, a computer server is a better analogy and when it comes to infected computers, if they are badly infected, all you can do is your best to keep all the programs you like up and running. However, the mechanism will breakdown and it's time to move on to another system and new and unaffected programs. And then, and only because you want to, you extract what information you can from the crashed hard-drive into a new system. After that, it's time to melt down the computer for its fine metals. And as of now, DNA can store electromagnetic information better than any hard-drive man has made. This means DNA uses binary code at the root level. This means you were downloaded into the world. This means you were saved before you were downloaded. This means you can be uploaded and saved to another server - or sent straight to the trash bin...
@pablogh1204
Жыл бұрын
Would you find that scenario gross, but would your moral judgments be relevant?🤔 What would be their position in "the hierarchy"? Well, it seems to me that you base the strength of your argument on that, on the strength of feelings and emotions. morality: feel good about what is "correct" (good) and bad about what is "bad". And you will be virtuous, you will be above others, power over them.
@hasan7275
Жыл бұрын
bro made his own counter argument at the end
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
Man I will pray for you to have (believe) God again in your life. Also because: Believe in God is *Free * It those not required any political changes (believer can be con right, centre, wing, liberal, conservative and so on). * You will not change that Much, only Believe in Him. * Once you are alone is only Him you have. * So if you feel sick. * Or Someone of your family, unfortunately does. * once you get older you will have him * Or before to die. * You will not think the people who lived and the one you knew left this world are Nothing (and in some cases is like they never existed, because none remembers them or have a picture of them, but have reached God. * You will see people not just human but sons with a Father (which believe me will help, because you give them another positive attribute, which will help you to define them with more meaning). * You will have another purpose in this life: which is not. Be good and help people, but pray for them (and praying is a religious thing) and work not only for this life but also for after life,because working for the next life give you more hope and let you think about your future future... Just as you think for tomorrow. And basically we stop this thing that we westerns do to be the most arrogants people in te world, and again losing the faith on God, only because we live in a ealthy society we want live materiliscally, especially for our youth (they will need God anyway once older, believe it or not). I hope you understand that (without any further questions) May God bless you and the peace for Jesus upon you ☺️
@graftrebeck6837
Жыл бұрын
@@Mar-dk3mp why would one believe again if one did not believe in the first place? Thank you for the copypasta tho.
@gadfly7677
Жыл бұрын
@@Mar-dk3mp pray for yourself
@akun10years10
Жыл бұрын
@@Mar-dk3mp pray for me, I lost so much loan shark's money on crypto.
@hareecionelson5875
Жыл бұрын
everyone when they heard the theist destroy his argument: "Bruh"
@JohnCena8351
Жыл бұрын
"It's funny isn't it" Ouch😅
@davidevans3223
Жыл бұрын
Nope the free world only exists thanks to the bible that's a fact cause and effect there's no other way fact
@davidevans3223
Жыл бұрын
The free world only exists thanks to the bible that's a fact slavery was part of human history wasn't morally wrong back then there's more slaves now than any time in history outside the Christian world real slaves not modern day slaves also slave means Slavic white people. If it wasn't for the bible the Romans would still be feeding people to lions cannibalism in Africa and the America's they were eating each other and cultures don't just stop wife burning in India when a husband died his usually younger wife was burned alive stopped by Christians as well as the international slave trader's all over the world stopped by Christians the British empire. . The evil in the world China committing genocide north Korea a slave nation both atheist USSR before they went back to Christianity mass genocide look at the new religons veganisum new Hinduism or infinite gender theory where gender is a feeling outside of biology like a spirit and biology is bigoted or blasphemy. Or socialism killed more than any war also slavery and stealing not free. The atheists in the west want to tell you what you can do eat and even think denying science as bigoted. I'm a Christian because I believe God is more intelligent than any people who can't progress without guidance and will always lead to suffering and slavery. The bible gave us free will it favoured the good but had to allow evil or evil people would have replaced it evil like we see all around us TODAY
@richardleeskinneriii9640
Жыл бұрын
Man got fuckin burned hard and didn't even notice. It burned down to the nerves in seconds lmao
@davidevans3223
Жыл бұрын
@@richardleeskinneriii9640 lol sure doesnt make him wrong even if you don't like it it's not your choice God has no reason to answer to you no amount of suffering here compares to eternity in paradise it's like saying would you suffer for 1 hour for 100 years of paradise in fact it's not even close but most would be happy with that no other animals are born blank no animal's have free will NONE can enjoy a sun set or climb a mountain because it's there enjoy the arts etc none can be so depressed they commit suicide all slaves to their DNA just a fact people have a choice be good or bad then you have eternity in what you choose that's freedom not slavery
@crypticraps
Жыл бұрын
@@davidevans3223 You don't feel a deep internal sadness for believing this?
@JamesRichardWiley
10 ай бұрын
It's difficult for an atheist to argue with someone who cannot accept the fact that the atheist really does not believe in his god.
@Nov_Net
10 ай бұрын
What till I tell you about a hypothetical argument
@flashbash2
6 ай бұрын
Atheism to the theist is a direct rejection of what people know in their hearts to be true.
@trithos7308
6 ай бұрын
@@flashbash2I love when people say meaningless dribble
@Oozy9Millimeetah
6 ай бұрын
Atheism is a emotional choice... every single time...
@trithos7308
6 ай бұрын
@@Oozy9Millimeetah in the way that every choice has an emotional part? Because I just follow what the evidence suggests, and the evidence suggests that there is no evidence for any specific religion.
@aliceslab
Жыл бұрын
he just admitted his religion is slavery
@avivastudios2311
10 ай бұрын
I agree that we are owned by God. I don't see a problem with that.
@aliceslab
10 ай бұрын
@@avivastudios2311 but why own at all, when we express that we love our dog we often say that we dont see ourselves as owners, that they are part of the family, but for god, its not family, its ownership, tell me, why is the all mighty and the all good, not as wholesome as a person with a dog? another thing is ownership is bad if the person you are owned by is bad,which again why does a human have more ethical conviction than a god.
@avivastudios2311
10 ай бұрын
@@aliceslab Using the word "owned" makes God unethical? That doesn't compute to me.
@aliceslab
10 ай бұрын
@@avivastudios2311 how is it that i cannot stand to watch anything in pain, and would bend over backwards to help a creature or fellow human, when god will sit there and watch despite having all the power to stop it. its unethical
@kujojotarostandoceanman2641
9 ай бұрын
@@avivastudios2311bro you have kink issue and status problem 💀
@charlestownsend9280
Жыл бұрын
The house analogy is like saying that it's ok to abuse your child so long as later on in life you give them a huge amount of money and gifts. Also I love the last line.
@lavie7358
Жыл бұрын
Funny that in my country people preety much justify beating up children and controlling their life with this exact logic. Sad
@crazydragy4233
Жыл бұрын
Many people do say that 💀
@ericmccall3415
Жыл бұрын
@@crazydragy4233 and they’re wrong.
@charlestownsend9280
Жыл бұрын
@@HasanUnknown and?
@bayrembenmansour5414
Жыл бұрын
@@HasanUnknown I'm an ex-Muslim and Islam is worse than Christianity in the 21st century, allows sex-slavery, wife beating, killing of apostates, the prophet is an actual p*dophile and has no evidence for any of its claims, no scientific miracles, all of them are vague verses getting reinterpreted, look at them by yourself. It's an old mentality cult where women are oppressed, just look at Iran. Keep making a fool of yourself by promoting this horrible religion.
@lulolie
Жыл бұрын
"But God created you!" And parents still don't have the right to abuse their children
@cagnazzo82
Жыл бұрын
"But you are a part of God" not just a creation. And when we make each other suffer we're making ourselves suffer. Most of the world's suffering is from humans having free will to make each other suffer.
@lulolie
Жыл бұрын
@Legendary Saiyajin it's still suffering that god would be allowing to happen. If you let one of your children torture and maim the others, what kind of parent are you? Not to mention this doesn't even cover diseases or parasites or genetic disorders that also cause suffering. This is a being that allegedly caused everything to happen specifically knowing it would happen. That means he specifically and intentionally causes bad things to happen and bad people to exist.
@asbest2092
Жыл бұрын
@@cagnazzo82 imagine going outside and experience a rabid dog's attack. This is caused by the people's free will too I guess... You say free will and other people make people suffer. When a dog attacks you it's free will's fault too I guess (sarcasm). Or when you become ill, or when an accident happens, or when you can not find food and suffer from hunger, or when you suffer if your father dies because of his age... Yeah, free will is to blame in suffers (sarcasm)
@diegorodriguez8006
Жыл бұрын
How pray tell does God abuse anyone? By saving us and asking us to repent and accept lord Jesus as lord and savior and let him into your heart? If you reject that and want to live in sun do it but you will spend eternity separated from God. Which is hell.
@lulolie
Жыл бұрын
@Diego Rodriguez nobody wants to suffer forever, it's not that people "choose" hell, it's that god set it up that not worshipping him=hell. The ultimatum of "worship me or suffer forever" is abusive from the get-go, but I was talking about the suffering on earth that, if he exists and has the control over earth that he is claimed to, he is directly responsible for.
@Beautyargentina6
28 күн бұрын
“FUNNY ISNT IT”😂 Alex you are killing it! I love it
@AlfyDC
5 ай бұрын
lol i’m so happy being an atheist. It’s so weird looking in at people believing in this stuff and reading all the comments, like how are these other humans living like this?? it reshapes their whole reality it’s so crazy to me, I do hope more of them wake up.
@MrNemitri
Ай бұрын
My whole family is like that, feeling kind of lonely in that regard, I sometimes wonder how I got out of that mindset and am grateful how lucky I am that I am able to see it all from a different perspective, but I must admit, it does feel lonely sometimes being surrounded by believers in all corners of my life, I don't want an echo chamber like christians do, but it's nice (and rare) to see a non believer!
@AlfyDC
Ай бұрын
@@MrNemitri hope you can get out of that environment and find your people
@user-dy6oo3rm9p
25 күн бұрын
anyone who says - ' im so happy being an atheist.' is not a real atheist.
@AlfyDC
24 күн бұрын
@@user-dy6oo3rm9p calling myself atheist is a huge generalization of my actual beliefs and spiritual journey, and serves only as my preferred societal label when talking religion
@thinkliberty1049
17 күн бұрын
How do you know you’re awake, and they are “asleep”?
@epifloyd7357
Жыл бұрын
"it's funny that, isn't it"
@decibel333
Жыл бұрын
Mic drop
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
What I understood is that westerns tend to deny God, not only because they live in an Ealthy Society, it is also because they (we, as Western myself) are objectively the cause of the most evil things happen in this world (weapons, pollution, invations, wars and so on) You are so sad. May God bless you.
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
@@decibel333 What I understood is that westerns tend to deny God, not only because they live in an Ealthy Society, it is also because they (we, as Western myself) are objectively the cause of the most evil things happen in this world (weapons, pollution, invations, wars and so on) You are so sad. May God bless you.
@epifloyd7357
Жыл бұрын
@@Mar-dk3mp you ok there bud?
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
@@epifloyd7357 pretty much, bud! Stick on the subjects and prove wrong n bud. May God bless you
@dreagen3131
Жыл бұрын
It's almost as if the Christian understands his flawed logic but just doesn't want to admit it because it affects his faith
@CaptainFantastic222
Жыл бұрын
It bothers me when theists try to justify their position with logic and reason. I respect them more if they just admitted their position is faith based
@sorguvasfen2426
Жыл бұрын
👀
@pranavlimaye
Жыл бұрын
Cognitive dissonance at its finest
@Pancakegr8
Жыл бұрын
@@pranavlimayeCognitive dissonance is the right description. I just had a similar conversation with a Muslim who believes I’m headed towards hell and they admitted to feeling sympathy for me. Funny how they can be sad about a decision made by a god they think is being just and fair.
@morosov4595
Жыл бұрын
No, this tracks.
@loust1264
9 ай бұрын
that ending was so smug i love this man
@auntieyoni4129
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like parents😂pull you into their home without any choice of your own and have to take care of you and feel you're the burden
@grayskindablue
7 ай бұрын
That’s because it is, just on a lesser scale. Parents know suffering is an inherent part of life, but force their children into it in the name of “love.” Then demand gratitude basic necessities are met. It’s disturbingly similar, but that’s not a surprise. I highly recommend “Better Never To Have Been” by David Benatar, if you’re not familiar. It’s a solid jumping off point and generally a good read, in my opinion.
@guardian9394
6 ай бұрын
@@grayskindablue the problem I've always had with antinatalism is that it presupposes that life is suffering and that, if given the choice, it is better not to be born. The thing is that you can't decide if you want to be alive UNTIL you are alive. You can't "consent" to being born, but that's only trivially true because "you" literally don't exist and thus can't choose anything. If you value freedom of choice in the matter, as antinatalists often claim to, then being born is at least a neutral if not good thing because it allows you that choice. Antinatalists argue that life is a net negative experience, so it's better to have never been born, but this seems like extreme arrogance to me because it assumes that this position is true of everyone regardless of their opinion on the matter. If someone disagrees they must have "Stockholm syndrome" for life so to speak. Doesn't that sound familiar? It's exactly the same tactic used by theists to dismiss atheists. "Oh, you're an atheist? But everyone KNOWS God exists, so you must just be angry with him." No, I just don't believe in God, like I said. "Oh, you enjoy life? But life is just suffering, so secretly you must hate life too, you just cope and pretend you don't/you've been brainwashed." No. I just enjoy life. Like I said. What about instead of presupposing a position and then assuming people who disagree with it are lying, antinatalists just accept that it's possible I know my own mind better than they do, and that I am a rational adult capable of forming my own opinions? Don't even get me started on so called "efilists," they're even worse about this. To bring this back to being born or not, it's impossible to make the judgement of whether the hypothetical child will value life over the suffering within life. The only truly honest way to answer that question is for the individual themselves to decide, and the only way that happens is if they are born. Will they end up hating life? It's impossible to know for certain, but if I endeavor to be a responsible parent who understands my own circumstances and has the capability of rearing a child, it's pretty likely I should be able to impart the skills I've learned in my endeavors to make the most of my own life, and that they will go on to be happy and healthy.
@nuclearbirds
Жыл бұрын
You know you’ve lost a debate when your opponent says “That’s funny, isn’t it?”
@quattroquinti8453
Жыл бұрын
So briiiiiiiiitish, btw.
@Gyomei_the_strongest_hashira
Жыл бұрын
No
@janbuyck1
Жыл бұрын
and where or when is that ever convened?
@markcharron
Жыл бұрын
As a Christian, it always astounds me how afraid of suffering atheists are. Christians accept suffering as a natural part of life that not even Jesus himself got out of having to endure. We praise God when good things happen and praise God when bad things happen. We are not attached to consolation, nor do we fear desolation. We are not called merely to chase temporary highs or exempt ourselves or run from discomforts. Like the Buddhists, we practice detachment, and in detachment, we find not only constancy and joy, but also a God who has been there with us, and calls us towards an eternity of happiness with him. Atheists meanwhile, all they have is chasing highs and running from pain, like animals.
@Gyomei_the_strongest_hashira
Жыл бұрын
@@markcharron 💀 bro speaks facts outta his ass
@MorbiusBlueBalls
Жыл бұрын
for a split second, he breaks through his cognitive dissonance lmao
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
What I understood is that westerns tend to deny God, not only because they live in an Ealthy Society, it is also because they (we, as Western myself) are objectively the cause of the most evil things happen in this world (weapons, pollution, invations, wars and so on) You are so sad. (That why you do not have an actually comunity and you jump here, when you see a big western godless and Souless person talking about God and Chrstians) But may May God bless you anyway.
@Jivvi
Жыл бұрын
@@DatHombre Only a couple of words. kzitem.info/news/bejne/xXyP2JqBgYWHZaAm28s It doesn't change the meaning at all.
@gomer921
Жыл бұрын
Or it’s a clip with missing context.
@marioluigi9599
Жыл бұрын
No you're stupid. You don't understand it. The point is, with God you're a slave anyway. You're a slave to every heartbeat throughout your life. If God stops your heart, it's over. And it's up to him in the first place
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
@@marioluigi9599 Exactly God can do whatever he wants... Poor those western godless people who did not get it
@rajathmayurk.h.6125
Ай бұрын
This is what made me leave islamic mythology after following it for 5 years.
@peaceandfood7952
Жыл бұрын
These debates don't go anywhere because you can show intrinsically that theist reasoning is wrong but as soon as you put god in the equation then everything is allowed
@Garkatrah
Ай бұрын
Yes man.. And when we take an agnostic position or a "we don't know", then they say: - just assume an omniscient omnipotent God. Occam's razor you see 😂 simple explanation solves all problems. Everything can't come from nothing but an imaginary onmiscient omnipotent entity can eternally exist. Give me a break
@peaceandfood7952
Ай бұрын
@@Garkatrah they drive me insane...the guy said it himself "it would be called slavery" 🤦🤦
@DerikMorgan-jn5ss
Ай бұрын
How so ?
@kinsumandal2467
Ай бұрын
@@DerikMorgan-jn5ss That guy just said his Religion is slavery and slavery is just wrong. Also old testament used to justify slavery which is even worse.
@michaeldehart3253
28 күн бұрын
These debates aren’t about convincing your opponent, but demonstrating your logical process to the audience.
@AudunWangen
Жыл бұрын
Huh. He just admitted that his god is a slaver.
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
What I understood is that westerns tend to deny God, not only because they live in an Ealthy Society, it is also because they (we, as Western myself) are objectively the cause of the most evil things happen in this world (weapons, pollution, invations, wars and so on) You are so sad. May God bless you.
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
A father. That is only your western godless lie.
@sibigamokoro7276
Жыл бұрын
If you see it that way...guess cat, dog, cattle etc owners are slavers too...how cruel
@AudunWangen
Жыл бұрын
@@sibigamokoro7276 It wasn't me who said it, it was the Christian in the video, but yes, you could say that. "Slaver" usually refers to someone owning a person or persons as property, but I'm not going to argue semantics. If you check out Alex's other material, you may find out exactly how cruel the meat industry is. Dogs, and especially cats, usually stay on their own volition, but I guess that's mostly because of artificial selection by humans, so I guess you could stretch the definition to include that if you want to.
@sibigamokoro7276
Жыл бұрын
@@AudunWangen thats the point, we can stretch everything to fit the narrative.
@Void7.4.14
Жыл бұрын
It's more like we're hostages, not even guests. Someone kidnaps you then tells you how to behave or they'll set ya on fire forever.
@capitalb5889
Жыл бұрын
Not just how to behave, but what you must believe.
Жыл бұрын
You are dealing with the creator of all existence. Who else but him would tell you what to do?
@capitalb5889
Жыл бұрын
@ why does he need to tell people what to do?
Жыл бұрын
@@capitalb5889 because he is the boss. Imagine a bunch of robots asking, why this programmer need to tell us what to do? It doesnt matter, you were created for a purpose. You don't make the rules
@capitalb5889
Жыл бұрын
@ what we're talking about is so ludicrous it's funny. Man in sky makes people in order for them to worship him and if they don't they get punished for eternity. Alternatively, man in sky doesn't exist and there are no supernatural forces at play.
@josephgelinas7283
Ай бұрын
He came to the conclusion himself and and still seemed to miss it.
@PInk77W1
Ай бұрын
An atheist lady was in the hospital in NY. A catholic priest came to visit the sick. He told her to pray. She said I don’t believe in God. The priest said “that’s ok, he believes in u.” She ended up becoming a Christian
@shapeshiftingdodo
Ай бұрын
What
@studyanshul2051
24 күн бұрын
A 16 year old Indian girl was raped. She was depressed, she hated god for allowing this to happen, even though she did NOTHING wrong in her life , she was a caring sister and loving daughter and a prodigy and talk of the town because of her martial arts. After 2 months, she finally went out for the first time. She was approached by a missionary. She was with her cousin, missionary told her to accept crist or she will go to hell. She yelled at him . The missionary wasn't able to answer a single question of her. She committed sucide after a month. She is going to hell according to Christianity. A rapist will be forgiven if he was a Christian, after suffering for what he has done in the same hell as her. But not the victim.
@adropofgoldensun27
Күн бұрын
Why theists feel it okay to lie about their favorite imaginary character instead of embracing reality is call cowardice.
@PInk77W1
Күн бұрын
@@adropofgoldensun27 Reality Christianity started in a small town with 12 guys Reality Now Christianity has 2B followers Reality Christians have 100s of universities and hospitals Reality Atheists have 0 universities and hospitals. Reality Catholic priests have made over 1000 scientific discoveries.
@jackwaycombe
Жыл бұрын
"But officer! She MADE me hurt her! I'll make it up to her, and promise never to do it again - as long she does as she's told!" An excuse sadly familiar to every social worker and domestic abuse officer on the planet.
@neeeskeee
Жыл бұрын
Am i dumb, or is this vaguely written purposely like this to not attack men or women, but mean both. Or is there a higher meaning i dont get?
@jemmagordon4439
Жыл бұрын
@@neeeskeee an abuser can be any gender, sometimes using "he" or "she" pronouns to describe a person in a situation is a default for people. And women are veiwed as victims more often than men which is awful because men are just as likely to be victims if not more so because they're told to "toughen up"
@givlupi2686
Жыл бұрын
@@neeeskeee It's quoting what real domestic abusers say.
@isdrakon9802
Жыл бұрын
@@neeeskeeeit's aluding to gods abusive relationship with us while using the words of actual abusers
@Mtyugi
10 ай бұрын
When I made the realization that the Abrahamic god was a "toxic boyfriend" 😳 "I am a jealous god" and when you are told he loves you soooo much for who you are but if you don't love him back you'll be punished.....that's NOT love 😕 It's truly fascinating when I look back at the things I would say to defend my beliefs how...not blind but there definitely was a fog 😅
@walterbrooks2329
Жыл бұрын
If you let a Christian talk long enough they will almost always defeat themselves.
@ithinkiknowme6450
Жыл бұрын
Same with Muslims 😂
@RaymondTT
Жыл бұрын
Same with atheists
@mattmay4112
Жыл бұрын
Bro that’s everybody
@Iwillreply
Жыл бұрын
@@RaymondTT How do you "defeat" atheism?
@Iwillreply
Жыл бұрын
@@RaymondTT I guess it depends on where you think these ideas came from, and why they matter to you.
@TheMysticRivers
9 ай бұрын
Suddenly makes sense why the bible condones slavery...
@Doctor_Fate5
9 ай бұрын
Galatians 5:1 “It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.”
@Josephcantor-v5p
8 ай бұрын
@@Doctor_Fate5 bro doesn't know we are gonna be forced into submission
@ochmus
7 ай бұрын
Ephesians 6:5-9 New International Version 5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.
@Doctor_Fate5
7 ай бұрын
@@ochmus Ephesians 6:5 was written by Paul. Nowhere does he endorse slavery. Indeed, in verse 9, Paul specifically tells the masters that they are “no better” than their servants/slaves.
@ochmus
7 ай бұрын
I hope you follow christ more than paul@@Doctor_Fate5
@bradleykamm1823
Жыл бұрын
"It's funny that, isn't it?" Thank you for being so goddamn cheeky (pun intended). You're hilarious, meanwhile making perfect points.
@heckingbamboozled8097
Жыл бұрын
The "it's funny that, isn't it" was definitely a bit of a hitchen's moment. Good stuff!
@josephine4s
Жыл бұрын
I think he said once that he was heavily influenced by Hitchens, even though he says Hitchens had a few consistent flaws in how he went about his discourse on religion.
@michaeltunnicliffe4935
Жыл бұрын
I'd say it's less like dragging someone into your house against their will. It's more like having a child, abusing said child all it's life and never letting the child leave the house.
@JoyDorsett_86
Жыл бұрын
Hate to break it to you but that’s how I saw what happened to me and my family did that and how I’m feeling the repercussions of it you can’t excuse that it was done against someone’s will and yes that can happen
@aymen577
7 ай бұрын
Our creator said in Quran: "Did you think We had created you in vain (without any purpose), and that you would not be brought back to Us?’ (Quran 23:115) "Exalted is He (God) who holds all control in His hands; who has power over all things; ˹He is the One˺ Who created life and death in order to test which of you is best in deeds. And He is the Almighty, All-Forgiving. who created the seven heavens, one above the other. You will not see any flaw in what the Lord of Mercy creates. Look again! Can you see any flaw?" (Quran 67:1-3 ) "And [mention, O Prophet], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" God said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know."(Quran 2:30) "Can there be any doubt about God, the Creator of the heavens and earth? He calls you to Him in order to forgive you your sins and let you enjoy your life until the appointed hour.’ But they said, ‘You are only men like us. You want to turn us away from what our forefathers used to worship. Bring us clear proof then, [if you can].’ (Quran 14:10) "Do man think he will be left without purpose? Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (in lowly form)? Then he was a clinging clot, and [ God ] created [his form] and proportioned [him] producing from it both sexes, male and female. Is such ˹a Creator˺ unable to bring the dead back to life?" "We have indeed made whatever is on earth as an adornment for it, in order to test which of them is best in deeds." "We shall certainly test you with fear and hunger, and loss of property, lives, and crops. But [Prophet], give good news to those who are steadfast. those who say, when afflicted with a calamity, ‘We belong to God and to Him we shall return.’ (Quran 2:155-156) "Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding. those who remember God while standing and sitting and on their sides, and reflect upon the creation of the heavens and the earth: “Our Lord, You did not create this in vain. Highly Exalted are You, so protect us from the punishment of the Fire." (Quran 3:190-191) "Indeed, We have sent revelation to you ˹O Prophet˺ as We sent revelation to Noah and the prophets after him. We also sent revelation to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants, ˹as well as˺ Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon. And to David We gave the Psalms." (Quran 4:163) "Those who have believed and whose hearts are assured by the remembrance of God . Verily in the remembrance of God do hearts find rest!" "O humanity! Indeed, God’s promise is true. So do not let the life of this world deceive you, nor let the Chief Deceiver(Satan) deceive you about God. Surely Satan is an enemy to you, so take him as an enemy. He only invites his followers to become inmates of the Blaze." (Quran 35:5-6) "And when My servants ask you, [O Muhammad], concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me [by obedience] and believe in Me that they may be [rightly] guided." Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said : “When God loves one of his servant, He tests him to hear his supplication.”
@RustyCog
7 ай бұрын
No it’s more like having a child, the child rebels causing it to suffer, you don’t force it to stop however you encourage them to act better
@gageduke7652
7 ай бұрын
But can you prove such a God exists to begin with?
@TheSixerFixer
7 ай бұрын
Why am I an atheist? Because I believe in freedom. Also because the only reason to believe in such a bizarre nonsensical system is to feel better about the inevitability and permanence of death rather than living and appreciating the life you have now
@quincyjones5676
5 ай бұрын
I’m atheist because there’s no proof this shit actually is real. Amazing these ppl will all day everyday insist it is yet their argument is “you must make yourself believe it. No shit, I can do that with elves, fairies and democracy. 😂
@elani9624
5 ай бұрын
God is a such a loving god that he that gave us free. We can choose to either follow him or follow the world. God loves all of us and gave us freedom and free will. We undergo suffering from man and ungodly spirits. God knows we will suffer in this world which is why he wants us to surrender to him so that he can bring us peace and his love. Giving your life to our father is showing him obedience in hope to grow a stronger relationship for him as jesus gave his life for us so that we can be able to have a relationship with God. God loves all of us💗💗💗
@quincyjones5676
5 ай бұрын
@@elani9624 if he was so loving why did he eradicate all mankind except for a family that had to invest their way out of extinction? (I’m case ur not familiar with the Bible I’m Talking about Noah)
@edivaldobarbosa3709
4 ай бұрын
@@quincyjones5676 god also said that noah was the only righteous one,but one of the first things he does after getting out of the ark is drink himself out,get butt naked and then curse his grandson because his son tried to help him without closing his eyes..........god has some weird friends
@quincyjones5676
4 ай бұрын
@@edivaldobarbosa3709 God also sent a bear to kill a bunch of children because they made fun of a prophets bald head 🤣🤣🤣🤣 he’s kinda a huge dick
@marishasveganworld2240
5 ай бұрын
“It’s funny that, isn’t it” Alex, you are so good!
@deelaw.
Жыл бұрын
"its funny that isn't it" oooohhhhhhhh that must have felt like nails through both of his hands
@zodfanza
Жыл бұрын
Lol 😂👏
@neuralgarden
9 ай бұрын
Wrinkly brain moment
@william3347
9 ай бұрын
Yup - some great editing that was :)
@themasekofamily
7 ай бұрын
Not the jesus reference💀
@Slattastix
6 ай бұрын
💀💀💀💀☠️☠️☠️😂😂😂
@fooziewoozie
Жыл бұрын
Awesome work, Connor! Such elegance, a truly piece to study as a public speaker.
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
Man I will pray for you to have (believe) God again in your life. Also because: Believe in God is *Free * It those not required any political changes (believer can be con right, centre, wing, liberal, conservative and so on). * You will not change that Much, only Believe in Him. * Once you are alone is only Him you have. * So if you feel sick. * Or Someone of your family, unfortunately does. * once you get older you will have him * Or before to die. * You will not think the people who lived and the one you knew left this world are Nothing (and in some cases is like they never existed, because none remembers them or have a picture of them, but have reached God. * You will see people not just human but sons with a Father (which believe me will help, because you give them another positive attribute, which will help you to define them with more meaning). * You will have another purpose in this life: which is not. Be good and help people, but pray for them (and praying is a religious thing) and work not only for this life but also for after life,because working for the next life give you more hope and let you think about your future future... Just as you think for tomorrow. And basically we stop this thing that we westerns do to be the most arrogants people in te world, and again losing the faith on God, only because we live in a ealthy society we want live materiliscally, especially for our youth (they will need God anyway once older, believe it or not). I hope you understand that (without any further questions) May God bless you and the peace for Jesus upon you ☺️.
@Sednas
Жыл бұрын
@@Mar-dk3mp shut up
@cheddarbeansoup
Жыл бұрын
@@Mar-dk3mp do I get free meals when I start believing? Like? What's the actual thing that I get from it if I'm the happiest I've ever been without? Always argumenting around the biggest questions and society as a whole... Damn people should stop being egoisic and start thinking about individuals.
@tonybates7870
Жыл бұрын
It's Alex, isn't it?
@whysocurious7366
Жыл бұрын
@@cheddarbeansoup you can get free meals if you start a church with both a garden & a kitchen :p you’d have to give speeches about how it’s good to grow & cook food for others (like you), but other than that, totally free meals, not even any taxes/labor required :o
@jonathanhollenbeak9047
5 ай бұрын
We assume suffering is the highest crime when it isn't. Why do we discipline a child? Because they need it.
@jvratar86
11 ай бұрын
This is the same guy that couldn't answer if rape was wrong. That should tell you everything about him.
@RyuBateson218
9 ай бұрын
Imagine your moral compass being a book that states that woman that can't prove they are virgins on their wedding night should be stoned to death and a rape victim should marry the rapist.
@zacharyo3824
9 ай бұрын
@@RyuBateson218didnt jesus save a woman from being stoned" let the man who has not sin throw the first stone" or whatever.
@RyuBateson218
9 ай бұрын
@@zacharyo3824 yes he did. But it was the God of Abraham who made the law in the first place. So basically he once stopped a mob from executing a woman based on a law he made himself in Deuteronomy 22. He could have just not made the law in the first place.
@zacharyo3824
9 ай бұрын
@@RyuBateson218 I watched a video a second ago basically saying if your wife is not a virgin your likelyhood of divorce goes up. Not related to the bible but I thought it was interesting that virginity especially in woman is important. It was a redpill manosphere video from Better bachelor.
@zacharyo3824
9 ай бұрын
@@RyuBateson218 also was this a book from the Catholic view of christianity, my dad says they got extra books other denominations dont have. I'm a protestant.
@garethholmes
Жыл бұрын
Alex didn't just knock it out of the park at the end, he sent it into near earth orbit 😂
@hareecionelson5875
Жыл бұрын
he sent the theist into a hyperbolic trajectory
@noah8236
Жыл бұрын
I think it's now orbiting somewhere near Russel's teapot.
@YeshuaSaves3
Жыл бұрын
How? He made a comment that showed he wasn’t even listening to the argument.
@Youcanthandlemyhandle899
Жыл бұрын
@@YeshuaSaves3 🤦♂️
@YeshuaSaves3
Жыл бұрын
@@Youcanthandlemyhandle899 Lol you good? I can explain how if you’d like to know because it seems like you aren’t willing to observe the truth.
@eristic1281
Жыл бұрын
The dude got O'Connored
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
Man I will pray for you to have (believe) God again in your life. (But of course you will be focusing only in that) Also because: Believe in God is *Free * It those not required any political changes (believer can be con right, centre, wing, liberal, conservative and so on). * You will not change that Much, only Believe in Him. * Once you are alone is only Him you have. * So if you feel sick. * Or Someone of your family, unfortunately does. * once you get older you will have him * Or before to die. * You will not think the people who lived and the one you knew left this world are Nothing (and in some cases is like they never existed, because none remembers them or have a picture of them, but have reached God. * You will see people not just human but sons with a Father (which believe me will help, because you give them another positive attribute, which will help you to define them with more meaning). * You will have another purpose in this life: which is not. Be good and help people, but pray for them (and praying is a religious thing) and work not only for this life but also for after life,because working for the next life give you more hope and let you think about your future future... Just as you think for tomorrow. And basically we stop this thing that we westerns do to be the most arrogants people in te world, and again losing the faith on God, only because we live in a ealthy society we want live materiliscally, especially for our youth (they will need God anyway once older, believe it or not). I hope you understand that (without any further questions) May God bless you and the peace for Jesus upon you ☺️
@tranngockha6562
Жыл бұрын
@@Mar-dk3mp May the Spaghe'tti 🍝 have mercy on your soul and guild you toward Valhalla.
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
@@tranngockha6562 The guys here do not really care about the monarchy in UK, they are only here because their are modern godless and souless idiot that have no Comunity so the leek the ass of those few godless and souless idiots who think God cares what they think to exist, right? You know you will pay for denying God, you godless idiot? no God, no soul, but yes leek godless ass. Disgusting! No God, No soul, No spirituality, No Dignity but yes kissing godless people ass. And they could pay infront God for that one day. modernity and it's idiot. No respect for you, neither Hope foe this generation. Let's hope for the next other because you godless idiots do not deserve it
@Youcanthandlemyhandle899
Жыл бұрын
@@Mar-dk3mp Look mate... if you were born in Afghanistan you would unequivocally believe in Allah... if you were born in India you would believe wholeheartedly in the "gods" Vishnu and Ganesh... and if you were born 1000 year's ago in Norway you would most certainly believe in (and probably even kill in the name of) the "gods" Thor and Odin You are a human that has bought into a certain religion through nothing more than your placement on this planet and a tendency to fall for indoctrination tactics... that is all! You're not "enlightened" you're not right and you most certainly do not posses a higher form of truth and knowledge that others or indeed myself don't...in all honesty you are simply a delusional narcissist who truly believes they are better than others though a deluded sence of belief systems. Sorry... not sorry
@MrTheclevercat
Жыл бұрын
@@Mar-dk3mp Cringestian detected.
@vtwin1979
Ай бұрын
That dude got burned and didn’t even realise it. 😂
@garybaltiejus7248
14 күн бұрын
Why am I an atheist ? Because God gave me no choice
@TheCabIe
Жыл бұрын
From my experience when you push believers enough, their argument ultimately reaches the "he's God so he can do whatever the fuck he wants/he knows better than us, deal with it" point. No matter how you spin it, ultimately it's the fear that this being who is supposed to be all-powerful and all-knowing has power over you, that is not allowing people to look at the evidence for their beliefs (like supposedly holy books) rationally. Once you ease yourself away from this psychological trap and examine the source for your beliefs honestly and without fear, there's no way you can come away from it thinking "yeah, this is clearly inspired by a perfect being like God rather than just being a representation of the beliefs human beings held during the era those books were written".
@wriptag3
Жыл бұрын
This is at least honest.
@blueredingreen
Жыл бұрын
It's practically impossible to change someone's mind during one conversation (at least when based on rationality), but one could hope that they go and think about what was said and change their mind eventually. If it's a public debate, that's much more to make the audience think than to change the mind of the other person.
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
What I understood is that westerns tend to deny God, not only because they live in an Ealthy Society, it is also because they (we, as Western myself) are objectively the cause of the most evil things happen in this world (weapons, pollution, invations, wars and so on) You are so sad. (That why you do not have an actually comunity and you jump here, when you see a big western godless and Souless person talking about God and Chrstians) But may May God bless you anyway.
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
@@wriptag3 What I understood is that westerns tend to deny God, not only because they live in an Ealthy Society, it is also because they (we, as Western myself) are objectively the cause of the most evil things happen in this world (weapons, pollution, invations, wars and so on) You are so sad. (That why you do not have an actually comunity and you jump here, when you see a big western godless and Souless person talking about God and Chrstians) But may May God bless you anyway.
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
@@blueredingreen What I understood is that westerns tend to deny God, not only because they live in an Ealthy Society, it is also because they (we, as Western myself) are objectively the cause of the most evil things happen in this world (weapons, pollution, invations, wars and so on) You are so sad. (That why you do not have an actually comunity and you jump here, when you see a big western godless and Souless person talking about God and Chrstians) But may May God bless you anyway.
@smickos
Жыл бұрын
Love a great Christian self-own
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
love how Westrn godless and Souless people talk behind us.
@smickos
Жыл бұрын
@@Mar-dk3mp love how mindless Christians continue to support a book that not only condones, but instructs how the can own slaves.
@FrankD23
Жыл бұрын
You: I think God is bad therefore his not real🤪🤡
@smickos
Жыл бұрын
@@FrankD23 I don't think God exists, but the fictional character of God in the Bible is a monster.
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
@@FrankD23 Wrong God is all. why Godless and Souless makes always stupid jokes? Because clearly they have not sacred things as we do
@epicenter5126
Ай бұрын
We would never think it moral if humans could act as capricious and savage as God. That should tell you right there all you need to know about religious moral objectivism.
@thomasherzog86
8 күн бұрын
"Allow us to suffer" as if god wasnt responsible for the suffering. A theist mindset is one of the easiest things to run on.
@doomakarn
Жыл бұрын
Not a single theist commenter doing anything other than spamming and insults.
@htpkey
Жыл бұрын
It's sad how low the bar is set. There might be decent theists out there, but it seems that only the worst ones are watching these video's. Once you see the farce of religion, it becomes very difficult to unsee it. It the same feeling you get when realizing something is a scam.
@lilythecatgamezvids69
Жыл бұрын
Well when you are backed to a corner the only option is thrashing back To see their logic shot dead in the water is terrifying to them
@boianko
Жыл бұрын
I mean that is the most common comment contributions you will get from them. That and them condescendingly strawmanning atheists' views.
@Akira-jd2zr
Жыл бұрын
It's all they have because the arguments aren't on their side...
@chrisdroney8141
Жыл бұрын
"Hey I don't have any evidence for my claims or logic behind my reasoning, but here have a copypasta all about how having faith is nice, you despicable, godless heathen. I pray for you 🙏🙏"
@TheShapingSickness
Жыл бұрын
He owned himself. He didn't even realize it
@patrickbyrne5070
Жыл бұрын
They’re too brainwashed… or just lacking certain mental abilities. It gives me quite a sick feeling tbh.
@epiccoolawesomegoblinguyre6520
Жыл бұрын
@@patrickbyrne5070 oh no people disagree with me!!
@patrickbyrne5070
Жыл бұрын
@@epiccoolawesomegoblinguyre6520 wut?
@Baboonfromdatoon
Жыл бұрын
How so?
@TheShapingSickness
Жыл бұрын
@@Baboonfromdatoonbecause he's arguing that if humans do it, then it is slavery. One of the most atrocious things you can do to a living organism. But somehow he believes that if it's God doing it, then somehow it is morally right.
@memowilliam9889
Жыл бұрын
He sees himself as a visitor... 😂 I don’t see him rushing for the door to get out.
@user-fd4oe1xb8y
Ай бұрын
Is this supposed to be a debate?? I thought it was two atheists agreeing with eachother
@InformationIsTheEdge
Жыл бұрын
It is that utter abdication of personal responsibility and the simpering surrender mentality that I despise about religion. "I'm nothing without god." Then you're really nothing.
@lc7173
Жыл бұрын
That mindset is what really keeps people in religion. They are raised to believe; or find themselves worthless without someone else giving them purpose (orders).
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
What I understood is that westerns tend to deny God, not only because they live in an Ealthy Society, it is also because they (we, as Western myself) are objectively the cause of the most evil things happen in this world (weapons, pollution, invations, wars and so on) You are so sad. (That why you do not have an actually comunity and you jump here, when you see a big western godless and Souless person talking about God and Chrstians) But may May God bless you anyway.
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
@@lc7173 What I understood is that westerns tend to deny God, not only because they live in an Ealthy Society, it is also because they (we, as Western myself) are objectively the cause of the most evil things happen in this world (weapons, pollution, invations, wars and so on) You are so sad. (That why you do not have an actually comunity and you jump here, when you see a big western godless and Souless person talking about God and Chrstians) But may May God bless you anyway.
@InformationIsTheEdge
Жыл бұрын
@@Mar-dk3mp That's pretty funny. First you pretend that your imaginary god is real then you use your unsupportable stance to claim some kind of moral high ground. As if your kind were not directly responsible for the worst, most horrific, murderous and tortious atrocities ever perpetrated upon human beings. To say nothing of the continued atrocities that are still perpetrated by "believers" to this day. The subjugation of women, homosexuals and other religions.
@juliatuson3124
Жыл бұрын
Surrender is actually really beautiful and freeing, and takes a lot of effort to do. But certainly doesn't come an abdication of personal responsibility. I still take responsibility for my actions, I'm just going to surrender my efforts and the outcome to God, and do my best to please him. I don't know if that makes sense. I hope with all my heart you find peace and surrender.
@coolguy1127
Жыл бұрын
“I am so great I am so great everybody loves me I am so great”- Bart Simpson - God
@rationald6799
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@MossyMozart
Жыл бұрын
@coolguy1127 - Or trump. (He thinks he is the Chosen One.)
@Shilobotomized
Жыл бұрын
What compensation are we talking about? I've suffered my whole adult life, and despite my efforts I will surely suffer even more until I eventually die In which your God will send me to suffer for the rest of eternity because I did not believe in his existence through my pain
@poliolipi
Ай бұрын
The moment a Chirstian comes to the realization that, by their own logic, God created human kind to be his slaves
@echoch.4693
18 күн бұрын
That's literally what the bible said, Christians are slaves of God.
@ComfyDents
Жыл бұрын
Funny isn't it? 😂
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
Tht God does not care if you believe in him or not to exist. But only western godless and Souless idiots do not understand it. I wonder why 😅😅😅
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
That God does not care if you believe in him or not to exist. But only western godless and Souless idiots do not understand it. I wonder why 😅😅😅
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
@Blosiverma Man I will pray for you to have (believe) God again in your life. Also because: Believe in God is *Free * It those not required any political changes (believer can be con right, centre, wing, liberal, conservative and so on). * You will not change that Much, only Believe in Him. * Once you are alone is only Him you have. * So if you feel sick. * Or Someone of your family, unfortunately does. * once you get older you will have him * Or before to die. * You will not think the people who lived and the one you knew left this world are Nothing (and in some cases is like they never existed, because none remembers them or have a picture of them, but have reached God. * You will see people not just human but sons with a Father (which believe me will help, because you give them another positive attribute, which will help you to define them with more meaning). * You will have another purpose in this life: which is not. Be good and help people, but pray for them (and praying is a religious thing) and work not only for this life but also for after life,because working for the next life give you more hope and let you think about your future future... Just as you think for tomorrow. And basically we stop this thing that we westerns do to be the most arrogants people in te world, and again losing the faith on God, only because we live in a ealthy society we want live materiliscally, especially for our youth (they will need God anyway once older, believe it or not). I hope you understand that (without any further questions) May God bless you and the peace for Jesus upon you ☺️
@thaddeusgenhelm8979
Жыл бұрын
@@Mar-dk3mp You are aware that when dealing with skeptics, telling them that "Life is better if you believe in God" isn't actually convincing, right? The goal isn't to believe things just because they're nice to believe (as, if so, I would choose to believe in a god that's better than the Christian god, because that's not that hard to imagine) but to believe *true* things. Choosing to believe false things because they're nice is a form of delusion, which can work as a coping mechanism in difficult times, but not something a skeptically minded person is going to actively pursue.
@ErrantMasa
Жыл бұрын
@@Mar-dk3mp Your god is a malignant, abusive, predatory narcissist. your faith is misplaced and wasted on such a character.
@AlGhoul
Жыл бұрын
"It's funny that, isn't it?" Yes. *chef's kiss*
@korbeyshields2747
6 ай бұрын
That is Satan’s tactic. People know this so they sell their soul to do what they don’t want to do for compensation bc their love for money is greater than their love for God.
@JohnSmith-do1ym
Жыл бұрын
I love how he uses the most benign example of having his house trashed as an analogy for human suffering, as if it comes anywhere close to dying of cancer or anything actually awful.
@AmericanChoirboy
Жыл бұрын
operation "let them talk through their own fallacies and figure it out" is working perfectly.
@ithinkiknowme6450
Жыл бұрын
I want Alex to debate with an Islamic apologist so baaaddd
@nazarruulhaqi4046
Жыл бұрын
@@ithinkiknowme6450 He did debate Mo Hijab
@dininelbourne
Жыл бұрын
The talking through their fallacies part is going swimmingly. The figuring out part? Not so much.
@reytal496
Жыл бұрын
A visitor without choice of being there can be replaced with prisoner
@damonmeier3652
10 ай бұрын
Do you not have the choice to kill your self? If you were to of never existed there would be no choice to make be greatful for life you beat millions of other sperm to get here
@Back_to_God317
Ай бұрын
But if you think about it, "a visitor without choice of being there" is a contradiction. Because if you are a visitor, that means that you are invited, and you willingly being there. Otherwise why would you be there in the first place?
@RedRabbitEntertainment
Ай бұрын
@@Back_to_God317Right, so Prisoner is more accurate, since it isn't a choice. If you try to take yourself out of the game you get punished.
@Back_to_God317
Ай бұрын
@@RedRabbitEntertainment no, make up you're mind, is it a visitor or a prisoner? If he consider himself a prisoner, then that's his problem. But when he consider himself a visitor that means he willingly be there, so he has to follow the "rules". So God give you free will, and moreover when you broke the rules, God then provide a way out so that you can stay and be with Him. So God did not force you, it is our sin that condemned us and God try to save us from it.
@RedRabbitEntertainment
Ай бұрын
@@Back_to_God317 I'm saying that objectively you'd be a prisoner. You don't have a choice, if you try to leave you're punished for eternity.
@Yanquetino
22 күн бұрын
It never ceases to amaze me that people can stare facts, math, science straight in the face and yet live in denial about reality… and then embrace an unproven, unverifiable, wishful illusion like the existence of an invisible sky-daddy.
@nickonashfermilan6673
18 күн бұрын
On the contrary, it is also amazing that some people throws math and science to the believers in an attempt to disprove God's existence when they themselves are ignorant that science at its height in our modern times cannot prove there cannot be a creator, God.
When humans do it, it's slavery and immoral. But God does it, so it automatically means it's good. Absolutely unquestionable logic right there
@donkeykong2.0
Ай бұрын
God doesn't enslave us
@MovieIdiot
Ай бұрын
The analogy is not apt because Alex forces an existing human, whereas God creates from nothing, imbuing life with the sheer miracle of consciousness-a wonder that is underappreciated. From the viewpoint of Christians and God, existence extends into an eternal life with God. While not undermining earthly suffering, which varies among individuals, it pales in duration compared to eternity in heaven. Moreover, through Jesus, God experienced profound suffering, from betrayal by a close friend to enduring extreme torture, thus sharing in our human afflictions.
@danhtran6401
Ай бұрын
God didn't force anyone to do anything. God didn't force Lucifer to become prideful. Didn't force Adam to eat the apple. Didn't force anyone to suffer. You're capable of doing that well on your own. If God forces you to do something, you will do it anyway, with a smile on your face, because you're smart, and you know what's good for you...
@RedRabbitEntertainment
Ай бұрын
@@danhtran6401God forced people into existence and will outright punish those who try to quit the game.
@danhtran6401
Ай бұрын
@@RedRabbitEntertainment suicidal tendencies?...
@loki6626
Жыл бұрын
It's almost impressive how much work theists put into making sense of nonsense. Almost.
@wet-read
Жыл бұрын
It isn't just nonsense. It's monstrous nonsense.
@randomhuman2595
Жыл бұрын
Cosmics analogy doesn't work because he was originally in another house not born and raised in God's house.
@wyett123
Жыл бұрын
@@randomhuman2595 that's even worse. That'd make God a parent or guardian, and an abusive one at that. "Someone call CPS. God threatened to torture me bc I ate shrimp"
@crocopix
Жыл бұрын
@@randomhuman2595 wow, you just proved his statement.
@MossyMozart
Жыл бұрын
@Loki - My mother felt very religious, but at the same time was well-read in the various sciences. Growing up, it was almost painful seeing her struggle to unite the two concepts. She "knew" that god created the Earth & all things thereupon, but she also know that evolution was real, so she reconciled by forging a concept in her mind that god enjoyed billions of years of "experimenting" until he was satisfied. ............. [I do not know why this comment refuses to bond as a reply to @Loki 's comment. Commenting in these short-shorts always give me trouble.]
@andytabala6791
Жыл бұрын
This is what i've been saying for YEARS! i've been saying that if god exists, then he's a manipulative narcissistic psychopath. Imagine a human torturing "evil" people in the worst way possible while keeping them alive as long as possible to maximize pain and suffering. And the only "evil" thing they did is drink alcohol (for muslims) or eat meat (for hindus). But sure. Apparently god is soooooo loving and soooo forgiving.
@Pancakegr8
Жыл бұрын
“But mah free will!” Yeah god sounds like the type of person who would let their baby stick a fork in an electrical socket just because they had the choice to do so.
@zen-sufi
Жыл бұрын
This is exactly what the Gnostics believed about God. That he is a narc, psychopathic, evil Demiurge and the True God is somewhere outside this hell realm.
@lucreziavilante5993
Жыл бұрын
@@zen-sufi God exists outside of the hell, or he is part of the hell? Gnostics are just as confused as any Christian, with their adoption of Jewish mysticism.
@rationald6799
Жыл бұрын
@@Pancakegr8 theist are clueless as to how free will would even come into play. Their God would know everything that. Has occurred. or will occur. No decision by anyone could change what their God would know was going to happen. God either doesn't exist. Or not All knowing. Or one evil, insecure genocidal dick.😃
@Pancakegr8
Жыл бұрын
@@rationald6799 One argument I’ve heard from a Muslim acquaintance of mine is that we still can have free will even if God ultimately knows what we will do. Which is fine I guess, I just don’t see how free will and punishment fit into the same scenario. It would seem like all of us are dice, and if we roll a number God doesn’t like, He punishes us in spite of knowing what number we would have rolled.
@milesmcclure3485
12 күн бұрын
A good response to this is that you are unwillingly a member of your own fathers house when you are young. You are subject to the things the house requires of you (chores, homework etc) but you are still grateful because he gave you life, suffering is simply one of the things that life entails
@calvinmusquez9162
Жыл бұрын
Alex channeling his inner Hitchens at the end there lol
@loserlemby7273
Жыл бұрын
By being wrong?
@Youcanthandlemyhandle899
Жыл бұрын
@@loserlemby7273 🤦♂️
@patrickday8067
Жыл бұрын
@@loserlemby7273 cope
@emmettdonkeydoodle6230
Жыл бұрын
@@loserlemby7273 how was he wrong?
@heisenberg2345
Жыл бұрын
@@loserlemby7273 By not lying to himself
@matwatson7947
Жыл бұрын
"It's funny that isn't it" 😂 - Hitchens would be proud...
@willpower3317
2 ай бұрын
So he believes in God, he just doesn’t want to answer to him. Got it.
@MetaFootballTV
7 ай бұрын
The American says "allow us to suffer" when he really means " makes us suffer".
@chelsgo8675
Жыл бұрын
He admit it
@Mar-dk3mp
Жыл бұрын
Man I will pray for you to have (believe) God again in your life. Also because: Believe in God is *Free * It those not required any political changes (believer can be con right, centre, wing, liberal, conservative and so on). * You will not change that Much, only Believe in Him. * Once you are alone is only Him you have. * So if you feel sick. * Or Someone of your family, unfortunately does. * once you get older you will have him * Or before to die. * You will not think the people who lived and the one you knew left this world are Nothing (and in some cases is like they never existed, because none remembers them or have a picture of them, but have reached God. * You will see people not just human but sons with a Father (which believe me will help, because you give them another positive attribute, which will help you to define them with more meaning). * You will have another purpose in this life: which is not. Be good and help people, but pray for them (and praying is a religious thing) and work not only for this life but also for after life,because working for the next life give you more hope and let you think about your future future... Just as you think for tomorrow. And basically we stop this thing that we westerns do to be the most arrogants people in te world, and again losing the faith on God, only because we live in a ealthy society we want live materiliscally, especially for our youth (they will need God anyway once older, believe it or not). I hope you understand that (without any further questions) May God bless you and the peace for Jesus upon you ☺️.
@nelsoncherrier3855
Жыл бұрын
@@Mar-dk3mpYou do realise nobody cares about your prayers, right? You probably mean well but the fact is, your messages here are useless and you will convert anyone to your religion. Don't be an ass.
@mr.fahrenheit310
Жыл бұрын
@@Mar-dk3mp but he admitted it....are you saying there's a flaw in the reasoning which the xtian in the video did not think of? Because I can't either.
@lelonmusk4836
Жыл бұрын
@@Mar-dk3mpI think you're missing the point. Atheists don't have a disbelief in God because we don't think anything good can come of it. Of course a belief in God can give you something to live for in life and it can change your world view to a positive one, but the problem is, that atheists, including me, simply don't believe. Its impossible to force someone to truly believe in something they don't believe in. If a person is not convinced, you won't be able to convince them by listing positive effects of changing their position. You convince someone by bringing up arguments on why their current view may be flawed and convince them that way.
@am45_001
Жыл бұрын
@@mr.fahrenheit310he's spamming copypasta, don't pay attention to it
@Adam-gl1qv
Жыл бұрын
Trent is a perfect example of an intelligent person using their intelligence to come up with reasons to justify their nonsensical ideas
@stefanboy4810
12 күн бұрын
The eternal life isnt the same is the temporary life. You're not just compensating by giving gifts or money. You are compensating by giving the best gift possible, which no human being can ever match in forever. And also, there is more layers to this. Humans can suffer because of other humans, which is the truth most of the time (wars, conflicts etc.). Imagine you made your own robot and gave it human aspects. That robot wil most likely still be ur slave on the sense that you made it for that particular purpose.
@pathos92
Жыл бұрын
Yet each and every one of us strive to continue to exist within this sphere of suffering
@htpkey
Жыл бұрын
There is a user called Mar who has been spamming your channel. I have seen him spam the exact same message atleast 15 times across multiple video's. I hope people continue to report his spamming.
@rationald6799
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reminder. That gentleman Mar is absolutely horrible. Along with another gentleman called David Evans. They display such bigotry arrogance. And an overblown sense of self worth. They have no interest in an open honest discussion.
@donaldlawson1334
Жыл бұрын
What about the person who suffers horribly on this earth and still goes to hell because they didn’t believe? Where’s the “compensation” there?
@basileusofstupidonia6462
Жыл бұрын
And what if their suffering on Earth was caused by someone who later became a Christian and went to Heaven while the victimized person goes to Hell? It just gets worse and worse!
@sharkybrickfilms5716
Жыл бұрын
@@basileusofstupidonia6462suffering is not innately bad. You are refusing to acknowledge suffering as part of the human condition, and the idea that being a victim doesn’t make you any better of a person than the one who is responsible for your suffering. Think about how messed up it would be if all slaves went to heaven and all enslavers went to hell. It would be equally messed up if it were the other way round. That’s why the determination of where our soul goes is up to God, not to whether we were the victim or the victimizer
@basileusofstupidonia6462
Жыл бұрын
@@sharkybrickfilms5716 I deleted my earlier comment because I went off on you when I shouldn't have. I'm sorry if you saw it. I think you missed the point I was trying to make, I was saying that in Christianity, a horribly abusive person can get a free pass into heaven if they join the fan club of Jesus, while the victims of their abuse can be sent to hell for not joining the fan club of Jesus. Do you see a problem there?
@basileusofstupidonia6462
Жыл бұрын
@@sharkybrickfilms5716 Why is "acceptance of Jesus" a requirement? Why can't trying to be a good person be good enough if you're at least trying? Because loving Jesus is apparently more important right? That's what I mean by being in his fan club. You have to love him or get tortured forever, right?
@patrickbyrne5070
Жыл бұрын
What about childhood cancer and tiny parasites that eat away poor childrens eyes… not sure where ‘compensation’ is there either…
@PhilBohn
11 ай бұрын
It’s not so much that God creates the suffering, but more so making us aware that suffering is a reality in life. Not only is He good in the midst of suffering, but He has our best interests in mind. Jeremiah 29:11 is a popular verse, “For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans to prosper you and not harm you.” A lot of people love this verse, but it came before the Israelites would spend the next 70 years in bondage.
@LiverPools-ib5fv
11 күн бұрын
The point is, what sort of "loving'boss would create that In the first place. Its basically hunger games
@parkernelson3775
7 ай бұрын
Let’s say you get put into gods house, you still have the freedom to leave and live your life without god and therefore you will spend eternity without god once you die. It’s not slavery, it’s a choice you must make as an individual - to live with or without god Let’s say you chose to live in gods house or his kingdom, you would need to abide by his rules and thankfully he is fair and just as well as loving and compassionate
@Mike-ne8eb
7 ай бұрын
You're missing the whole point of the video.
@EatHoneyBeeHappy
Жыл бұрын
Christians just don't view slavery as a bad thing the way we do, because the Bible takes precedence over their own moral compass.
@homiesenatep
Жыл бұрын
Slavery is just a good thing to Christians, smh. At least to the extremists
@RustyCog
7 ай бұрын
You do know they ended slavery on the basis of it being unbiblical? And of course the Bible takes precedence over their own moral compass, that compass is the same one that makes rapists murderers and thieves
@derdevil8307
2 ай бұрын
Not true, as a catholic I view slavery as a vile and disgusting thing that no human should ever inflict on another human. The Bible never promotes slavery just because it talks about it or because someone mentioned in the Bible promotes it. One of the Ten Commandments is love thy neighbor as thyself which is directly against slavery. Neighbor is meant to represent every human no matter what.
@EatHoneyBeeHappy
2 ай бұрын
@@derdevil8307 The Bible doesn't just mention slavery, it includes details about how to punish slaves, and encourages the practice. Love thy neighbor is not about every single human, and doesn't mention slavery. There is a commandment that says not to bear false witness, so please stop doing it. Read what your Bible says about slavery, but please don't change your mind about owning other people as property, whether it be god or man. I'm glad you oppose the practice, but you're not going to defeat the pro-slavery Christians by lying about it to non-Christians, that only helps them.
@Lonzoflames
2 ай бұрын
Suffering produces wisdom and spiritual strength. Not a lot can do it. But it’s worth it.
@bluecrystal3900
27 күн бұрын
😂
@stochastic42
Ай бұрын
If the original 4 atheist advocates were the 4 horsemen, Alex is the second comming.
@kipwhitler6804
Жыл бұрын
getting some real Frost/Nixon vibes from christian homeboy at the end. "if God does it, it's not slavery"
@YLLPal
Жыл бұрын
This is the entry in Merriam-Webster for "self-own"
@htpkey
Жыл бұрын
I double checked this. WTH? The site even has a picture of this YT short in the description. All jokes aside, the word self-own is currently not added to merriam-webster because it doesn't meet their criteria for entry. They have written an article in the "Words We're Watching" section called: A Most Incredible 'Self-Own' If they do add the word they should include a reference to this video.
@atuanyaalpheusparodychanne641
7 ай бұрын
Atheism made me a better person than I use to be drinking smoking and partying all the time.
@DC-rb3uz
6 ай бұрын
Amazing bro keep it up that way..
@atuanyaalpheusparodychanne641
6 ай бұрын
@@DC-rb3uz thanks 👍
@walterdejean7532
2 ай бұрын
2 grown men arguing over what a fictional character would do!!??!? Next they will argue whether the Easter bunny’s eggs have yolks 😅😮
@OH_jiwon
Жыл бұрын
love the loop
@austinhernandez2716
Жыл бұрын
God can do the most evil, abhorrent actions imaginable, and Christians will make up excuses for him.
@user-sr9wz4ri5t
9 ай бұрын
We don’t “make excuses for him” because there is no need to make excuses. Every one of his actions as a reason behind it. For example the destruction of and entire city in the Bible. This was because they were covered in sin, they were involved in witch craft, they sacrificed there children and they were overall evil people.
@aokiji3347
9 ай бұрын
They will say ur taking the verse out of context ,god is evil being who can’t even control his anger and who doesn’t control their anger kids 🤦♂️
@scottgodlewski306
9 ай бұрын
@@user-sr9wz4ri5t Would you also claim that every one of his inactions has a reason?
@JohnSmith-qx8ll
8 ай бұрын
So will cringe secular worshippers. Only worse.
@Southpaw88
7 ай бұрын
@@user-sr9wz4ri5twhat's the reasoning behind a kid with cancer is that supposed to be a life lesson, for who the kid or parent? if the kid then what life lesson if the kid gonna die soon?
@glassesguy900
Ай бұрын
The dude didn't know he was the punchline who walked himself into his own joke
@PhrontDoor
9 ай бұрын
Doesn't matter to whom the house belongs. Making others suffer against their will is wrong.
@Doc-Holliday1851
8 ай бұрын
Then we better stop making each other suffer
@aymen577
7 ай бұрын
Our creator said in Quran: "Did you think We had created you in vain (without any purpose), and that you would not be brought back to Us?’ (Quran 23:115) "Exalted is He (God) who holds all control in His hands; who has power over all things; ˹He is the One˺ Who created life and death in order to test which of you is best in deeds. And He is the Almighty, All-Forgiving. who created the seven heavens, one above the other. You will not see any flaw in what the Lord of Mercy creates. Look again! Can you see any flaw?" (Quran 67:1-3 ) "And [mention, O Prophet], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" God said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know."(Quran 2:30) "Can there be any doubt about God, the Creator of the heavens and earth? He calls you to Him in order to forgive you your sins and let you enjoy your life until the appointed hour.’ But they said, ‘You are only men like us. You want to turn us away from what our forefathers used to worship. Bring us clear proof then, [if you can].’ (Quran 14:10) "Do man think he will be left without purpose? Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (in lowly form)? Then he was a clinging clot, and [ God ] created [his form] and proportioned [him] producing from it both sexes, male and female. Is such ˹a Creator˺ unable to bring the dead back to life?" "We have indeed made whatever is on earth as an adornment for it, in order to test which of them is best in deeds." "We shall certainly test you with fear and hunger, and loss of property, lives, and crops. But [Prophet], give good news to those who are steadfast. those who say, when afflicted with a calamity, ‘We belong to God and to Him we shall return.’ (Quran 2:155-156) "Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding. those who remember God while standing and sitting and on their sides, and reflect upon the creation of the heavens and the earth: “Our Lord, You did not create this in vain. Highly Exalted are You, so protect us from the punishment of the Fire." (Quran 3:190-191) "Indeed, We have sent revelation to you ˹O Prophet˺ as We sent revelation to Noah and the prophets after him. We also sent revelation to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants, ˹as well as˺ Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon. And to David We gave the Psalms." (Quran 4:163) "Those who have believed and whose hearts are assured by the remembrance of God . Verily in the remembrance of God do hearts find rest!" "O humanity! Indeed, God’s promise is true. So do not let the life of this world deceive you, nor let the Chief Deceiver(Satan) deceive you about God. Surely Satan is an enemy to you, so take him as an enemy. He only invites his followers to become inmates of the Blaze." (Quran 35:5-6) "And when My servants ask you, [O Muhammad], concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me [by obedience] and believe in Me that they may be [rightly] guided." Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said : “When God loves one of his servant, He tests him to hear his supplication.”
@dyanaprajna4556
Жыл бұрын
That last statement by the atheist went right over that christians head.
@markcharron
Жыл бұрын
As a Christian, it always astounds me how afraid of suffering atheists are. Christians accept suffering as a natural part of life that not even Jesus himself got out of having to endure. We praise God when good things happen and praise God when bad things happen. We are not attached to consolation, nor do we fear desolation. We are not called merely to chase temporary highs or exempt ourselves or run from discomforts. Like the Buddhists, we practice detachment, and in detachment, we find not only constancy and joy, but also a God who has been there with us, and calls us towards an eternity of happiness with him. Atheists meanwhile, all they have is chasing highs and running from pain, like animals, like toddlers.
@dyanaprajna4556
Жыл бұрын
@@markcharron don't get out much?
@chad63
Жыл бұрын
@@markcharron atheist are afraid of suffering? well its not atheist who pray "please dont make me/them etc suffer". funny that, isnt it?
@markcharron
Жыл бұрын
@@chad63 please don't make anyone suffer needlessly, more like it. The point is, people of good will, like me, are not your enemy. So you don't need to be snotty with us.
@keshavthakur2098
11 ай бұрын
@@markcharronhow you know someone is suffering needlessly my friend when GOD got a grand plan for everyone maybe needless suffering fits in GRAND PLAN OF GOD also yeah praying is begging to be off the hook the guy who isn't putting his head down and begging to end his misery than working against negative situation he is in is braver
@jerryodonovan8624
Жыл бұрын
The reality is that we live in an era that has religious belief worldwide in significant decline. Their days of dominance are over. Amen to that.
@user-sr9wz4ri5t
9 ай бұрын
What world are you living in? Cause in this world the search for the truth and the search to know life is not meaningless and we weren’t made by accident like the Big Bang or any of those other theories is on the rise. Heck China and North Korea, countries where if you are Christian you killed, Christianity is growing like crazy. You know why? Because it’s the truth.
@cheetah0716
7 ай бұрын
Yes amen to that
@shicksr1
7 ай бұрын
And the world is so much better now ?
@poet4966
7 ай бұрын
@shicksr1 i mean better because now the wars like the crusades and most other conflicts based on religion are not happening that much and eventhough the world is not perfect now is better compared to what is was before when religion was the main thing human beings had to give sense to their life and conflicts since religion and radicalism are not as worldwide as they werw before if we were still dominated by religion a lot of the technology and medicine we have we would be set as something evil and forbiden
@Sky-yh3ml
7 ай бұрын
God don’t need my worship serious dude get a self esteem of your own! Any source of creation needing constant adoration is probable cause for indifference and being single😂
@garybaltiejus7248
14 күн бұрын
As an atheist I can say the world is "our oyster" not "gods house"
@chrisvandivier8579
3 ай бұрын
By Alex's logic, its wrong to have children and give them chores, which is just as silly and childish as any other atheist position.
@nolo5220
3 ай бұрын
we don’t give children chores as punishment, we give them chores to teach them lessons and raise better people. along with help around the house x
@chrisvandivier8579
3 ай бұрын
@@nolo5220 i agree. This is a Christian idea of redemptive suffering: that going thru a hardship, whatever the cause, can be a catalyst for growth, understanding, and becoming a better person. It's also the opposite of the point Alex is making, which is why he is wrong.
@tonyisnotdead
2 ай бұрын
@@nolo5220 children do chores out of necessity, any other reason, like "character growth" or "lesson teaching," are extra
@tonyisnotdead
2 ай бұрын
it's not wrong because chores are a necessary part of one's day to day life. parents are not gods, god however can make reality whatever he wants
@mugogrog
Жыл бұрын
I'd go with a child as an example instead: A father who tortures a child and then promises to "make up for it" is still guilty of having tortured his child and his lawyer defending him by saying "but it's his house" would be laughed at. That is not a person we would generally revere... In this analogy I suppose an apologist is the lawyer so perhaps the proper response is to laugh.
@RustyCog
7 ай бұрын
I’d go with father has a child, child rebels against him thus causing the child to suffer, the father offers a way out of suffering and rebellion and the child accepts or denies
@Stinker8291
6 ай бұрын
@@RustyCogso you support child abuse?
@RustyCog
6 ай бұрын
@@Stinker8291 not what I meant by suffering more like the child does something which itself causes him to suffer and also even if it doesn’t then the parent still should punish the child just not in an abusive way
@Stinker8291
6 ай бұрын
@@RustyCog so God is just a dad that left for milk, and punishes his kids by drowning them, and even killing babys and animals that didn't even do anything.
@RustyCog
6 ай бұрын
@@Stinker8291 god has not abandoned us we have abandoned him through sin and yet he still accepts us and gives us a path to redemption and he does not perform these evils rather he lets them be carried out as he has the right to do its merely the consequences of our own actions and additionally what’s 80 years of suffering(which would be rejoiced through Christ) compared to eternity of fulfillment with god
@myria2834
Жыл бұрын
Well, the original sin was basically equivalent to a couple extremely underdressed toddlers breaking into their dad's cookie jar because their half-siblinf told them it tasted really really good, and instead of punishing the one who manipulated them, their dad chose to brutally and inhumanely punish them for the innocent nativity that he himself fostered in them. Seriously one petty and abusive father.
@tonyvolti4511
Жыл бұрын
In this analogy he also criples the half sibling by chopping all his limbs too.
@cheshire0772
Жыл бұрын
Take it a step further: we were told that because of Eve's sin, women were ETERNALLY punished with monthly bleeding and labour pains. Imagine explaining that to your daughter and then not having any other explanation for our menstrual cycles: God was mad at your great, great, great times147 grandma, so now you have endometriosis Remember to tithe!!! 💀🙄🤷🏽♀️
@sand2935
Жыл бұрын
Not quite. The suffering we inherited through original sin are reflective of our separated state from God. In choosing to put Him away we also accept the result of separation from God which is suffering.
@AnnoyingNewsletters
Жыл бұрын
@@sand2935 what? So, God knows everything, and makes a human guy from dirt, but doesn't think that he should make a reproductive partner for him and doesn't bother to have him reproduce through mitosis or something? Finally makes a woman, from part of the guy... They're developmentally delayed toddlers in adult bodies, since he withheld the *knowledge of good and evil* from them, which would also suggest they didn't know cause and effect. And they have zero life experience. He tells them not to eat that specific, pleasing to eat fruit, doesn't bother to so much as put a baby gate around it, and somehow _goes away_ despite being omnipresent. If the serpent 🐍 was actually supposed to be guarding the tree, and, it not only failed to do so, but it actively encouraged them to eat the fruit, then punishing that *individual* serpent might make sssense. But to have set up the whole world 🌍 if not the entire universe to be subject to the _Fall of Man_ if they ate the fruit is some seriously sadistic Rube Goldberg mousetrap 🪤 logic. Odd that an all powerful creator could or would make everything in such an utterly flawed way if it wasn't intentional. People commit acts that are considered sin by God. There was no reason for *Original Sin.* The basic biological drives that he supposedly gave us lead to coveting, lying, killing, disobedience, etc. How is that possible for a just, kind, and loving God, much less an all knowing, all powerful, omnipresent one?
@pegasusactua2985
Жыл бұрын
@@sand2935 So your God is just a petty asshole then? Got it.
@TheOldWeigh
6 ай бұрын
Did this guy really just suggest that Birth is a Coercive act!?. Look there's free will. If you really decided to self delete nobody could stop you. Just shows the Hypocrisy of the position. "All is ultimately Meaningless but meaning is what I make my living talking about" "Being Born without My consent is Coercion but I don't want to Go back into the Oblivion I believe in" "Believing in a Creator is a Delusion but asserting facts about life after death without empirical evidence isnt" ..come on man. Educated ppl shouldn't be this obtuse!
@Anonymityfan
Ай бұрын
The problem with the analogy is that person existed before you dragged them into your house.
@d5orin
Жыл бұрын
So much love for all the British atheists speaking out. Proud to call them my neighbors overseas.
@izaakdamon1979
Жыл бұрын
As an British atheist myself i think atheism has ruined the country culture, by taking influences off America culture that led to to nany outcomes like the great replacement.
@pala1blood240
Жыл бұрын
Alex be owning these ignorant hypocrites left and right😂
@markcharron
Жыл бұрын
As a Christian, it always astounds me how afraid of suffering atheists are. Christians accept suffering as a natural part of life that not even Jesus himself got out of having to endure. We praise God when good things happen and praise God when bad things happen. We are not attached to consolation, nor do we fear desolation. We are not called merely to chase temporary highs or exempt ourselves or run from discomforts. Like the Buddhists, we practice detachment, and in detachment, we find not only constancy and joy, but also a God who has been there with us, and calls us towards an eternity of happiness with him. Atheists meanwhile, all they have is chasing highs and running from pain, like animals.
@pala1blood240
Жыл бұрын
@@markcharron Keep telling yourself that. You can't stand the reality of the world so you make up things that make you feel better about yourself. Gullibility at its finest.
@markcharron
Жыл бұрын
@@pala1blood240 So I assume that you don't make yourself feel better?
@pala1blood240
Жыл бұрын
@@markcharron I feel better when i do good things for my fellow humans. i don't need a god to tell me. Simple as that. You do good things, you feel good, you do bad things, you feel bad.
@markcharron
Жыл бұрын
@@pala1blood240 "Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love." (1 John 4:7-8) Ergo, if you are doing right by your neighbor, then you know God.
@the98themperoroftheholybri33
Жыл бұрын
What the Atheist described was a child and parent relationship
@uhohgecko505
6 ай бұрын
“It’s funny that, isn’t it?” THE GASP I JUST GUSPED 😭
@JoshBabin
Жыл бұрын
"Created sick and commanded, on threat of eternal punishment, to be well "
@mailill
26 күн бұрын
Wow!
@suzbone
Жыл бұрын
Hahahahahaha reminds me of that "You ARE the best caller!" episode of ACA a few years back
@derpsiroop1884
4 ай бұрын
Bro just started digging
@josephinenatsui4267
Ай бұрын
The beauty of freewill is for the creature to submit to the Maker ❤✝️💯
@gabbydafurry
Ай бұрын
Ayo Joseph wtf. No wonder why the Bible accepts slavery ew
@ROFT
Жыл бұрын
More like someone came to your house, tore it up, and then claimed they gave you money.
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