That's the problem! If we were building them they would still be in the dry docks and way overbudget!!
@wtf22playa56
6 ай бұрын
Cant build anything in Australia as the unions control everything, raise costs and putting project overtime and over budget.
@Nathan-ry3yu
6 ай бұрын
I remember the Australian government discussing and stating that our defence ship builders couldn't design a rubber dinghy. 20 years later, they find out our ships are not fit for purpose. It will take 20 years for them to organise a complete new fleet that's still won't be fit for purpose.
@AndrewinAus
6 ай бұрын
@@jasonclark950 Well perhaps, but that seemingly for the moment only applies to Spanish and German designs. 😉
@staunchlyspeaking
6 ай бұрын
How can an island nation have only 11 ships? That’s just nuts.
@pwillis1589
6 ай бұрын
Which hospitals and schools do you want to close? I assume you would be happy to lose three quarters of your salary to tax!
@robot336
6 ай бұрын
Labor asking China for permission to get Warship's for Australia = Labor are done ....
@Nathan-ry3yu
6 ай бұрын
New Zealand worse it has only 2
@Jason_g_kennedy
6 ай бұрын
Sorry to inform you, two are tinnies
@crxdelsolsir
6 ай бұрын
@@pwillis1589 You have no idea of how BUDGETS work. Also, in the time of war would you like your arm or leg to be lost first and your whole family first so that you can have less tax taken out?
@kensommers5096
6 ай бұрын
Bondi rescue has better boats than our Navy sadly.🤠👍❤️🇭🇲
@wattlebough
6 ай бұрын
The sad part about this is the RAN today is the most advanced and powerful it's ever been, but it's still far below what it should be. We're apparently only just now discovering this? How many decades did it take to fall so far below the required tragectory to meet the projected threats of 2050?
@chrispsackett
6 ай бұрын
That's not true at all.
@Mrbuckaroonie..
6 ай бұрын
🤣
@nadenesmith7440
6 ай бұрын
I said years ago that the horse had already bolted. Chinese are laughing at us.
@seanlander9321
6 ай бұрын
Our Navy didn’t suddenly run into operational difficulties when Labor came into power, their sorry state just became apparent then after years of neglect by the Coalition.
@trevorspeedy6333
6 ай бұрын
That’s not true, also after years of neglect from the Rudd Gillard era as well
@AndrewinAus
6 ай бұрын
@@trevorspeedy6333 Arguably both take some of the blame. Rudd was in power when the 2009 White Paper suggested a fleet of 12 submarines and 8 larger than ANZAC frigates. We all know the kicking of tyres on the Soryu Class subs by Abbott with Abe 5 years later, the 2015 competitive tender and finally selecting the Shortfin Barracuda - Frankenstein conventional sub in 2016 and well we all know how that went, though the accidental outcome might prove to be the best. Then we get to frigates, the requirement laid out in 2009 initial tender to be in the 2019-2020 timeframe. That was brought forward in 2014 with a design study investigating using the Hobart hull with a CEAFAR radar suite. Build was meant to commence in 2020, with a competitive tender in 2016 - 17 resulting in a 2018 announcement of the Type 26 variant as the winner. The current year rolls around so in 2024 we have from memory 2 completed prototype blocks on Ship 1.
@Nathan-ry3yu
6 ай бұрын
@trevorspeedy6333 The government was too busy caught up in scandals coupe eachother and reshuffle cabinet. But they did deliver mini AWDs, hehe.
@Mrbuckaroonie..
6 ай бұрын
Exactly
@OkieOrganix
6 ай бұрын
By 2040 maybe that 12billion will get you one ship. Look at inflation now and consider what it will be then.
@woodrow60
6 ай бұрын
Labor would rather spend money on destroying our energy supply system than defend the country. That is starkly apparent.
@g3tdown
6 ай бұрын
How many boats did the LNP deliver?
@blizzard5657
6 ай бұрын
The problem is that nobody wants to join the military under this government 🙄,
@Bryan-d8j
6 ай бұрын
Really? What is the difference between joining the Navy under a Labor Government than a Coalition Government? I never heard of anything that would make a talented young man or woman join the ADF under the Coalition Government that has drastically changed since Labor came into power? Most young people who join the ADF these days are finding a way to get paid to complete a apprenticeship of get a university degree then they take there skills into the civilian world where they are a better paid for the skills.
@blizzard5657
6 ай бұрын
@user-lp1fj3ny9v Labor are the party of diversity and not merit. More people leaving the military than joining would normally be a major news story! 🙄, like everything that Labor touches turns to shit,
@Bryan-d8j
6 ай бұрын
@@blizzard5657 You are speaking like retention in the ADF is a new problem that only came into existence in the last two years?
@blizzard5657
6 ай бұрын
@user-lp1fj3ny9v Labor has been telling the youth of this country for 20 plus years that the climate change is their fault, and now Labor is blaming the youth for colonisation? When my 12 year old daughter said that it doesn't matter what her grades were because the world would end in ten years because of climate change! I told her then that the government was a pack of lying dogs! And that the climate has always changed! She is now 28, the world didn't end as she was taught in school! Now Labor is going to net zero? Which is an engineering impossibility!
@edwardness7497
6 ай бұрын
Defence recruitment has been going down hill long before Labor took the helm...
@stevewiles7132
6 ай бұрын
There should be at least one ship under construction at all times.
@crowsfan691
6 ай бұрын
Most of the workforce were laid off back in 2018-19.
@julianpetkov8320
6 ай бұрын
The Empire will not allow the colony to produce mass quantities of steel so don't hold your breath on that.
@AndrewinAus
6 ай бұрын
That's not how Federal Governments of either flavour have done things. It has always been stop start which to my mind is not the way to go, you are forevermore then running into 'valleys of death', people being laid off, going elsewhere in careers. So then you have to restart production lines, train up new shipbuilders, welders etc etc. So in the end that means the costs go up and up. Rather than keeping a continual build process for whatever vessels we need.
@sammydsouza4379
6 ай бұрын
Need three now, for the next ten years, then down to one every 12 months.
@richardtravers8772
6 ай бұрын
Oh good theey are going to send Mr Wong on a tax payer funded trip to China.
@ricky6864
6 ай бұрын
What percentage of the money is going to the navy and how much for laundering
@pwillis1589
6 ай бұрын
And your evidence fo this claim is?
@winstonwilliams4859
6 ай бұрын
@@pwillis1589 the money given to france for nothing
@ricky6864
6 ай бұрын
@@pwillis1589 hi karen
@thomasromanelli2561
6 ай бұрын
As bad as the current situation sounds, it is also an opportunity for Australia and the MOD to set the foundation for improving its own defense industrial base and the potential for building ships for other interested parties. I was surprised to read about the comparatively limited size and capabilities of an island nation, and what is really needed is for Australia to invest in building new shipyards and training the next generation of shipwrights, master electricians and all of the highly specialized labor force required to construct modern warships. That investment will pay itself directly back into the Australian economy while simultaneously strengthening the RAN fleet in terms of numbers and capabilities. Any "excess" capacity can then be devoted to an accelerated maintenance schedule to keep the fleet at high-readiness (and put the USN to shame) or build additional ships meant for foreign navies for a healthy profit. But the time to invest is now- this is a critical decision that you can't kick down the road another 5 to 10 years...
@ricky6864
6 ай бұрын
385 billion for 3 subs.. Bawawaa.. Could buy thousands of fighter jets and defence systems for that
@wtf22playa56
6 ай бұрын
lol...true..but defences systems and aircraft cant subvert a blockade in our sea lanes.
@ricky6864
6 ай бұрын
@@wtf22playa56 jets with anti ship missiles equals no blockade
@wtf22playa56
6 ай бұрын
@@ricky6864 lol..didn't know Australia had the capability to launch a strike over 4000 km away from our most northern bases with at least 16-24 planes carrying 4 ASMs each....oh wait we don't....but one submarine can do that and no get detected or destroyed in the process while also loitering in the area for months. Our planes can't do that.
@ricky6864
6 ай бұрын
@@wtf22playa56 stick to playing wargames on your pc....
@wtf22playa56
6 ай бұрын
@@ricky6864 ...says the guy who thinks a few jets with ASMs can do the same job as a sub..lmao
@kenlewis2353
6 ай бұрын
Why don't we go the whole way and have China build them for us.
@crxdelsolsir
6 ай бұрын
To think in WW2 Australia with a population of under 7 Million had 350 fighting ships. 2024 with a population near 4 x times greater (27 million) 11 ships going to 22 is no where near war time prepared. With reduced building ability, dwindling morale and diluted quality due to "woke" recruitment movement, self loathing, self prosecution etc good luck. PS: President Trump mentioned this years ago to lift up spending and capabilities. All those that laughed contributed to this vulnerable situation. Years of preparedness wasted (resource procuring, building, training, stock piling, etc).
@Nathan-ry3yu
6 ай бұрын
And the fact the increase of ships is all ASW platforms. And nothing stated what armament the hunter class will be. 32 cell VLS or upgunned 96.cell.VLS? I don't know how adding more ASW ships will protect our nation with only 3 undergunned AWDs currently in service
@peterfalconer-h3k
6 ай бұрын
Too late for what? None of these assets are going to be commissioned for years.
@forgivemenot1
6 ай бұрын
When has China ever briefed us on their plans for their navy? I bet the answer is never!
@n089338
6 ай бұрын
Could not believe I heard that comment. Are we seeking their permission, or did they need a comedy show.
@colinalexander3929
6 ай бұрын
Too little too late. So true. We should already be taking up new technology in use by major navies. There needs to be a lot more forward looking plans under consideration . Effectiveness not size should be a major consideration.
@nadenesmith7440
6 ай бұрын
Spot on. 👏🏼
@keepingitreal601
6 ай бұрын
Good luck getting people to join the Navy...hahahahahah
@dodgeboy9052
6 ай бұрын
This simply sounds like Australia is looking on e-bay.. fishing boats are getting here after a 5000 klm sea voyage ... thats like i am their leader ... "where are they"
@Koala63211
6 ай бұрын
Not to worry, the Captains, Commodores and Admirals will still be lining up for the gongs and promotions they so richly do not deserve, as they go through the rigmarole of ship selection and its equipment. All this of course will blow that 65 Million budget into triple digits with no problem at all through the absolute incompetence of the dills in Government and the Senior Officers of the ADF.
@imantifeminism556
6 ай бұрын
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 oh God there's no other biggest laughing stock in this world but Australiastan
@trevthetroll
6 ай бұрын
Except for your grammar and comprehension...hahahahahaha
@user-vr7pl4zt9o
6 ай бұрын
Wow unbelievable
@Nathan-ry3yu
6 ай бұрын
Maybe have doubled the fleet but it looks mostly ASW capability. No destroyers? What the hunter.class be used for if buying 11 smaller frigates. Will the hunter.class be upgunned? It has to be balanced between frigates and destroyers. What type of posture is this? Oh you get more ships? No wonder nobody wants to join the ADF. For a defence force that coalition in many wars over the last century. Can't even get a defence posture right that would actually work. Where are the AWDs? planning on hitting the enamy back at all? Or just ASW? Anyone would think Australia never fought a navel war
@AndrewinAus
6 ай бұрын
The strike capacity will be partially in the Hobarts and Hunters with the TLAM land-strike capability and then later the semi-autonomous vessels Navy will obtain. Australia's strategy has always been to an extent sea denial. Either keeping our SLOC's open or denying an adversary theirs. Anti Sub and Anti Ship operations taking the focus. The AWD's are only getting that capability now really. It is not something that we have ever really had or desired.
@wtf22playa56
6 ай бұрын
We too busy buying short range fighters and upgrading our tanks and apcs...lol
@wtf22playa56
6 ай бұрын
@@Nathan-ry3yu I agree, Buying a squadron of B21s would solve most of our problems but they need nuke capability. Then again, US has already parked a good amount of their bombers here anyway...but we need our own shit. We can't rely on the US.
@Nathan-ry3yu
6 ай бұрын
@@AndrewinAus only 48 cell VLS on all 3 ships. Not enough offensive strike capability. They are a light AWDs . Unless they can upgunned them to atleast 64 cells they not much better than a heavily armed frigate. Looking at the posture it's 95% made up with just ASW with a very limited offensive strike capability per ship. If they can't upgunned the hobart class due to its hull structure underneath they should have atleast upgunned the hunter.class. they have already chosen to go with 11 smaller frigates for ASW. That is 3 more ships more with larger missile cells than out current Anzac class frigate. Why do they need the hunter.class to be ASW ships also for? They should had atleast upgunned them . The posture they have chosen looks too simple. And they going to find out they made a huge mistake if we ever drawn into another major war with that posture. It's good to have more ships. But wrong armament too little and it will draw too many ships on a target for 1 could have done. You still going to need at least 4 of thoughs vessels to match 1 Chinese 055 destroyers. As if they had upgunned the hunter class you looking over 700 missile between the 6 ships. Each ship can be eqwiped with upto 32 tomahawks and left 64 cells over for SM2 SM6 double the ESSM. And maybe even be able to have LSRAM missile that has more range than NSM. Or even add SM3 if it was needed. I just don't understand this government or the rear admiral at all. Having all ships with average armament will mean more numbers needed to use for offensive capability. And more ships taken out of the fight sooner to rearm. And it's a long way to sail to do that
@AndrewinAus
6 ай бұрын
@@Nathan-ry3yu That is point putting surface or sub surface vessels at risk in the approaches to Australian territory or choke points in the region is the aim of the defence force. Putting an adversary in two minds with their planning. Land strike 1500+ km doesn't necessarily mesh with that. That is more of an offensive capability though some would argue deterrent. We have a limited capacity within navy so the RAN has always had to have jack of all trades vessels because we do not have the vessel numbers to do otherwise. That is why the contenders for the GP Frigates also seem to have limited MCM capability as seen with the Japanese FFM option. Australia's 'posture' has always been being of use in coalition with 'great and powerful friends' who in turn act as a security guarantor and to have the capacity to hold off an attack until allied arrive to assist that is our posture. As far as upgunning vessels that is entirely dependent on the growth margin as far as weight that the ships have. Trying to shoe horn a bunch of capability into vessel classes leads to issues of its own. Just look at the reports about the Hunter design going from 8000t up and up to suggestions it would be a 10000t behemoth. That is essentially a cruiser sized boat. And the Hobart Class are 1000t heavier than the Spanish design they are based on.We cal the destroyers the Spanish call them frigates it is all in how they are meant to be employed. The Hobart's are slated to undergo a mid life upgrade to allow for TLAM and NSM to be deployed and also an AEGIS Baseline 9 upgrade as well as Saab 9LV and upgrades to the ATI (Australian Tactical Interface) systems. Basically requiring the CIC to be gutted and replaced on each boat. Not an insignificant amount of work.
@pathomthavaradhara
6 ай бұрын
Well, it’s better a little late than do nothing at all. Every nations have every right to defend and decide their own future.
@michaelblake3320
6 ай бұрын
How can we have the biggest fleet Australia has had since WW2 and still face the issue of manning them all with the current retention issue the navy now faces ?
@vincentburrowes9243
6 ай бұрын
Why did Peter Dutton leave this problem in his in tray unattended? Too little - too late - who was in power for the last nine years - the LNP - why did the bastions of conservative defence practices not sort this out during their time in office. Why did the LNP leave the heavy lifting to Labor?
@garymccrohan7247
6 ай бұрын
We can't even build patrol boats that work, let alone warships and subs!
@PhilipTripcony
6 ай бұрын
What about the homeless people,why are they not building homes not this rubbish
@stokersruleok5863
6 ай бұрын
Klaus loves homeless people. “ You will own nothing and be happy “. Albo doing as he is told.
@paulveenings6861
6 ай бұрын
They can be housed in the frigates. That’s all they’ll be good for.
@paulveenings6861
6 ай бұрын
@@LenAnderson856ditto
@Nathan-ry3yu
6 ай бұрын
You need both are you stupid?
@n089338
6 ай бұрын
Tik tok must be pushing the homeless propaganda narrative on us again.
@billygibson2613
6 ай бұрын
Two little to late we Australia should be as strong as uk and us and NATO
@stuka101
6 ай бұрын
This is what happens when Australia decades ago decided to palm off industry to other countries while we just focused on digging holes. Who'd of thought we'd need to start up industry again to build/produce. So many short sighted leaders just to earn a quick buck.
@bradmoyer9737
6 ай бұрын
In the United States the president has placed our military FDAU for the world to use at their leisure.
@winstonwilliams4859
6 ай бұрын
austrtalia should buy 5 to 10 USA existing ships as interim measure ,the time to delivery of built in australia is ridiculous and the ship builders should be building more than one ship at a time
@AndrewinAus
6 ай бұрын
The US doesn't have enough to cover their own requirements at this point. Which ships are they going to sell us?
@Nathan-ry3yu
6 ай бұрын
Dated ships are not much better than the ones we have in service now
@chrisdoulou8149
6 ай бұрын
The U.S. is in even more trouble than we are. Currently China has 200 times the overal shipbuilding capability than the U.S., producing 50% of the world’s commercial shipping, and building 3 warships for every 1 that the U.S. is producing. The west is so up shit creek at the moment it’s not funny.
@user-jh2ts2eb4q
6 ай бұрын
The only way out now to go even stevens in a war is 1- national service, 2- huge amounts of long range mobile and land based missiles 3- firrarm training for all citizens and 4 - replace the govt for people who care about the country. Use our resources- age of entitlement is over. Adapt or dissapear.
@j.kapiris
6 ай бұрын
That's the Librel's fault
@billygibson2613
6 ай бұрын
Michael shoebrige is strong support for Australian people and must have stronger defence strong support for everyone protected people in Australia
@tnguyen2735
6 ай бұрын
The question is, can the navy recruit enough sailors for more ships? ADF is in a mess. They have gone woke!
@lexchambers8329
6 ай бұрын
Does China both advising Australia about it new warship plans ROFL why the hell are we advising them
@genebrowne3138
6 ай бұрын
Yeah if its to late the coalition had ten years of doing nothing its about time we have a real government to clean up the LNPs mess
@dominicpelle7841
6 ай бұрын
Apparently this all happened in the last 20 months... of Labor and not thanks to 9 years of LNP neglect. and we have an invasion of asylum seekers. 1 BOAT occupants sent to Nauru.
@trevthetroll
6 ай бұрын
And why are they locking up potential tradies?
@Dark_knight1980
4 ай бұрын
Why the hell are you getting rid of perfectly good frigates and telling china about it ? Don't give them away we need the dam frigates give them to New Zealand 💯🇳🇿❤🇦🇺
@jonathonsteel2501
6 ай бұрын
Will be outdated by the time they're in service. We need to start developing our own to current and future needs and get ahead of the curb . Offshoring our industry is one of the biggest failures our government has been doing for the last 60 years
@TheBongReyes
6 ай бұрын
It’s never too late. The key is fixing the problems as soon as possible. Just look at the US Navy. Monumental failure either the LCS program. But eventually learned from that failure and fast tracked a true frigate.
@TelpPov
6 ай бұрын
Compare Australia navy to Chinese navy is like comparing kindergarten to PhD
@coreydark8795
3 ай бұрын
Should be buying Arrowhead 140 frigates 3-4 different countries have and are building. They can be fitted with up to 48 + 16/24 missile launchers where you could end up with 112-120 missiles with a crew as little as 60... All for under $1 billion each.
@crookeddoghomebrew9144
6 ай бұрын
Navy was struggling in the early 2000.Collins class was meant to be replaced 2025 .20 year old submarin3s don't dive as deep and in the age of drones are fast becoming obsolete vs usv(unmaned submersible vehicles).
@AndrewinAus
6 ай бұрын
Goes even beyond that, Navy had desired a derivative of the Arleigh Burke from the US but ended up with a Spanish boon-doggle built in Adelaide to try and save a few government seats in Parliament from SA. Best not mention from then on the Type 26 derivative or the Arafura's either, the latter really a just constabulary vessels not the Navy's core work in my view.
@crookeddoghomebrew9144
6 ай бұрын
@@AndrewinAus totally agree on your point mate
@Mrbuckaroonie..
6 ай бұрын
It is too little too late but at least Labor is trying to get new ships in. What was LNP going to do?
@alexlanning712
4 ай бұрын
Thats right, the expansion, should have been done, during the Libs terms
@user-uk1uu9vt8z
6 ай бұрын
I thought double from 11 would be 22 …? oh
@user-ht9iu1et9h
6 ай бұрын
Gotta let the boss know in china 😂
@rodneypeters5504
6 ай бұрын
What T F why tell the Chinese anything, do they brief us on their acquisitions, I don’t think so. $11 billion won’t buy much in 10 years time.
@tonydoggett7627
6 ай бұрын
The good military pension has gone. What incentive is there to join.
@rashedprime
6 ай бұрын
That money could have spent in education and medical research
@user-zy3xs4zc6o
6 ай бұрын
The great Australia should wake up, stop sleeping! Australia should be 2nd next to US--in military, economy, tech, innovation, and science! Great!
@johnhaines8752
6 ай бұрын
Why on earth is there a need to liaise with China?!!!
@adamb735
6 ай бұрын
Marles is a waste of oxygen as a defence minister. And Labor as usual destroy defence.
@fortdriver
6 ай бұрын
Won’t be able to men all of them
@paulsmith982
6 ай бұрын
Don't tell me that a political party are sticking their successors with the big bill
@hylimm
6 ай бұрын
Good! more good money will be diverted away from the public to serve the US
@macka9999
6 ай бұрын
LoL our navy is a joke.. a big woke joke.
@Mrbuckaroonie..
6 ай бұрын
Hey China- Our 3x AWD's are already out of date and need upgrades and our 8x ANZAC Frigates are falling apart because they are so old. We are going to get some new ships and should have some sort of a Navy in another 15-20 years. Don't start any shit please. 😁
@Hillrunner768
6 ай бұрын
Don’t worry America will save you. We spend a trillion dollars a year on defense so our alllies can build big beautiful roads and have free healthcare
@edwardness7497
6 ай бұрын
an interesting Coalition Bashing story for once, rightly so, why are we in this situation... regardless of Labors actions, these issues are long standing, Labor taking a while to pick up the pieces, could speed that up, but, this is by no means a Labor cause issue...
@geoffmcmahon3288
6 ай бұрын
1:16 1:16 1:16 1:16 1:16 1:17
@lucasroe2878
6 ай бұрын
Better late than never. MORE MORE MORE
@moe2470
6 ай бұрын
Waste of effing money. Huge country, small population, small military. Anyone that thinks we can defend ourselves is DREAMIN.😂 And we arent allowed to own anything but single shot guns.😂
@geoffmcmahon3288
6 ай бұрын
3000 abos with tungstan tipped boomarangs is what we have got to defend our coast
@EL_Duderino68
6 ай бұрын
Yeah, the coalition dropped the ball and spent $360 billion on subs that won't be commissioned til at leat 2040. You can look it up. The F-35s while very expensive only cost 16.2 billion. That's 4% of the cost of subs.
@julianpetkov8320
6 ай бұрын
*decommissioned
@wtf22playa56
6 ай бұрын
F35s can't stop a blockade in our sea lanes bro
@EL_Duderino68
6 ай бұрын
@@wtf22playa56 And neither can submarines that won't be around till the 2040s if they come out on time which rarely happens. We are left with the Collins class till then. Grow a brain.
@wtf22playa56
6 ай бұрын
@@EL_Duderino68 glad you admit you admit your statement is stupid then. We can criticize AUKUS and even the failed first sub deal all day, but having those subs at least in the pipeline is a better deterrent then any air asset that we have. Only air asset that would be cheaper and better then nuke subs is B21s with nuke capability..which will never happen in this country.
@EL_Duderino68
6 ай бұрын
@@wtf22playa56Are you tripping mate?
@marcusaurelius6012
6 ай бұрын
Get 🇺🇸 Constellation class, straight off the shelf
@AndrewinAus
6 ай бұрын
I'd prefer a proven off the shelf vessel. The Constellation is a yet unproven bastardised version of the French/Italian FREMM a 20yo design. We've looked at that design before, it was part of the tender process for what became the Hunter Class Frigates and lost.
@marcusaurelius6012
6 ай бұрын
@AndrewinAus thanks for the feedback, Andrew. Out of the 4-5 x options, what design do you think they will select? And will they make the decision before Dec 2027, as this is usually the process. (Climb a Mt Everest of red tape)
@AndrewinAus
6 ай бұрын
@@marcusaurelius6012 No worries MarcusAurelius, love the name choice BTW. If it were me I would go with the Japanese option for a few reasons. The German and Spanish are really just derivative designs of what we already have. The German design is a follow on from the ANZAC base design, the Spanish design in the same family as the Hobart AWD's. The Korean design is currently being superseded by a newer design so it is sort of untested. For me that would leave the Japanese design, a modern vessel with a high level of automation which means less crew required which is a consideration as well. The Japanese also have contracted with Indonesia to build 8 of a similar class 4 build in Japan, 4 built in Indonesia. Honestly the South Korean design would work as well, and if we are going to have the first 3 built oversees to accelerate the program, I'd go with our Asian allies who also have an interest in a strong Australian Navy themselves.
@williamzabiski7653
6 ай бұрын
No worry, that country is far away except if they have army people already inside australia therefore navy is useless
@dantheman5222
6 ай бұрын
why can't australia buy used vessels online and refit them to purpose for the interim
@trevthetroll
6 ай бұрын
Yeah man seen some really good shit on fb eh an gumtree too....
@dantheman5222
6 ай бұрын
@@trevthetroll no mate, i cant say on YT or it will get deleted as to platforms that sell shipping, very funny mate
@Nathan-ry3yu
6 ай бұрын
What? They be as bad or worse than the ones we trying to replace
@dantheman5222
6 ай бұрын
@@Nathan-ry3yu its more of the case of incresing shipping from the used market, and yes you have a point try re-fitting older boats we have
@dantheman5222
6 ай бұрын
i just had a look and i can see new vessels right now ready to go even some of the used ones are very ready to go
@jmcham1000
6 ай бұрын
If they are built in Australia the union will spin the build time to triple figures plus and the cost will be $100 billion and some
@seanlander9321
6 ай бұрын
Foreign purchases have proved far more costly, less reliable, and longer to procure. Your point is?
@jmcham1000
6 ай бұрын
@@seanlander9321 : Provide examples of these assertions
@jmcham1000
6 ай бұрын
@@seanlander9321 : Lets see some proof of your assertion because if that was the case Australia would be building ships for other countries
@seanlander9321
6 ай бұрын
@@jmcham1000 Ha! Don’t you know that Australia builds ships for the US Navy and Ferries for the Europeans and around Asia? Catch up sonny.
@jmcham1000
6 ай бұрын
@@seanlander9321 : You no doubt are alluding to Incat in Tasmania. One of their ships was leased to the Americans... not a warship but a supply ship. Go back to square one and tell us about military vessels as that is what this discussion is about
@suparoo100
6 ай бұрын
Be 20 years down the track before anything happens and we have some ships 🤷♂ what a bunch of w⚓, I can see all the diggers rolling over in their graves now and saying wtf did we fight for
@geoffmcmahon3288
6 ай бұрын
Chinese tanks will roll through treasury place in 2029
@nadenesmith7440
6 ай бұрын
In Queensland? Are you being serious?
@DavidOlver
6 ай бұрын
are the hunter class ship being made Inside the Hunter Class Frigate Program's first prototype block kzitem.info/news/bejne/rX6FumSfi1-Xpoo
@AndrewinAus
6 ай бұрын
Yes but the build is being reduced from 9 to 6. The first Hunter as contracted by the previous government was not due to enter service until 2034, under the new plan by 2034 Navy will have 4 of the GP Frigate that is down-selected in 2025.
@DavidOlver
6 ай бұрын
@@AndrewinAus lets see and hope
@AndrewinAus
6 ай бұрын
@@DavidOlver Agreed, I will be curious to see which vessel they choose.
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