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@rorytulk8753
4 ай бұрын
As a beginner ToW player who lives in Ottawa, thank you very much for bringing up the CCBB. I had no idea this event existed until I heard about it on your show.
@totalwar69
4 ай бұрын
Rob saying that Dwarfs are "mediocre"!!! That goes straight to the grudge book!!!
@rkc61595
4 ай бұрын
Dwarfs own S tier
@AGS363
4 ай бұрын
Yeah, he sells them short!
@earnestwanderer2471
4 ай бұрын
Not mediocre, nuanced.
@Rotebearda
4 ай бұрын
I get that they have a different playstyle and hurt with the short movement... however a $40 box of oathmark models gets you 260 points theres tons of 3d prints around it's just super easy to collect
@earnestwanderer2471
4 ай бұрын
If you really want to have fun with Dwarfs, you can mess around with house rule units that are available from 3rd parties. Bear riders. Chariots. I kit bashed a Dwarf APC out of Bren Gun Carrier model.
@treydudley7966
4 ай бұрын
I don’t need a starter army, I need to stop starting armies 😂. I have 7 now and had to sell a kidney.
@rosvall216
4 ай бұрын
The guy who bought your kidney here.. looked up that Warhammer you where on about.. Needless to say I just sold the kidney for models.. /cheers
@SquareBasedOldWorld
4 ай бұрын
I've got not kidneys and no time to paint
@auretioustaak6579
4 ай бұрын
So...still just a sweet and innocent newbie we see. Don't worry, you'll have them all eventually too...
@baronkarza8612
4 ай бұрын
Dark Elves FTW. Cold One Knights are the coolest cavalry in the game by far : )
@TheGeneralGarcia
4 ай бұрын
That was some biased Val shit if I ever have seen some....Hugo must have ruined him!
@longshot007
4 ай бұрын
False lizardmen cold ones are dinosaurs riding dinosaurs
@TheGeneralGarcia
4 ай бұрын
@@longshot007 Lizardmen Cold Ones are paper weights!
@Gumlass1
4 ай бұрын
I'm collecting Dark Elves. Apart from a few units, they are very available.
@AM-uw3gp
4 ай бұрын
@@Gumlass1 me too they are good looking army and fun to paint even if they might suck a bit in the game
@emcdunna
4 ай бұрын
Every elf army in mediocre? I'm sensing bias here from Rob. Perhaps he has the real life condition "Fear elves"
@TheGeneralGarcia
4 ай бұрын
Elves are the reason why Old World is back. No other system besides BB has cool Elves in it anymore.
@kandrenai
4 ай бұрын
@@TheGeneralGarciaDrukhari in 40k are cool if you're okay with the edginess but yeah, TOW probably has the coolest Elves.
@NateFinch
4 ай бұрын
They did say that Wood Elves play at A or S tier, they just don't have models available.
@TheGeneralGarcia
4 ай бұрын
@@NateFinch I'll finish watching the video then, this one got me all sorts of grumpy!
@SquareBasedOldWorld
4 ай бұрын
Im a chaos dwarf main. I hate order and elves - Rob
@AM-uw3gp
4 ай бұрын
I’m a high elf collector but imo Lumineth look utterly ridiculous with those helmets
@joshcosta445
4 ай бұрын
The dark elf comments hurt me. Shadowblade it def dipping his blades in some poison planning on paying someone a visit
@SquareBasedOldWorld
4 ай бұрын
Perhaps picking a fight with sadistic slaver pirates was a poor choice
@lamMeTV
4 ай бұрын
I am putting square bases on my 40k Army cause fuck GW
@knedoshane
4 ай бұрын
Ogres: I'm going with a mix of old school Citadel lead models, plastic landsknecht ogres, and 3D prints to make a more "civilized" ogre army (using halflings as gnoblers).
@Gumlass1
4 ай бұрын
Yeah. The Wargames Atlantic ogres needed some kitbashing to use in bulk. The torso / legs have limited poses out of the box, but they look great.
@omipuppy
4 ай бұрын
Being im one of those who unexpectedly ended up with a beastmen army for old world i love playing them far more than when i played them in AoS.
@Gumlass1
4 ай бұрын
You can get almost all Dark Elves from Cities of Sigmar and Daughters of Khaine. Def should be B or higher
@markysgeeklab8783
4 ай бұрын
It's so hard to find them now with the stupid names
@Gumlass1
4 ай бұрын
@@markysgeeklab8783 yeah. "Dreadspears", "Drakespawn Knights", etc. I just open Cities of Sigmar and Daughters of Khaine on the website and scroll through.
@Yoyoda_del_umbra
2 ай бұрын
@@markysgeeklab8783aos -> order -> cities of sigmar
@colonelcabbage
4 ай бұрын
Beastmen should be S tier, and Val wanting to put them in B-tier alongside their mortal enemies, the Wood Elves, is outrageous. Regards, an unbiased reviewer
@SquareBasedOldWorld
4 ай бұрын
UNBIASED
@GhostGuitars
4 ай бұрын
unbassed
@colonelcabbage
4 ай бұрын
@@SquareBasedOldWorld UNgorBIASED
@nurglematthew893
4 ай бұрын
Assembly of this list was Epic
@earnestwanderer2471
4 ай бұрын
Empire vs Skaven in TOW is a fantastic matchup. Two more “nuanced” factions that match up pretty well power wise. Fun-fun yes-yes.
@ComandaKronikk
4 ай бұрын
Phenomenal video, I was absolutely beaming with pride at one stage glancing over at all of my individual heraldry designs of my fully painted Bretonnia army haha
@IceJoust
4 ай бұрын
Where's the favourite dinosaur thread square basers? I'll kick off: Triceratops, which is obviously Big Lizardmen Vibes 🦕🦖
@TheVacationist
4 ай бұрын
Pachycephalocaurus, the big brain choice 🧠
@michaelf.7339
4 ай бұрын
You actually don't have as many models and ranks as you thought.... empire player: hold my beer
@michaelf.7339
4 ай бұрын
Disagreeing with your assessment of empire though, they have some of the largest rosters and are one of the factions with the most and best 3rd party models. The issue is just that most people find humans in a fantasy setting boring but the people playing them love the optics. Rules wise they are not the best definitely but imo decent. With the playstyle however, you can do almost everything, infantry, shooting, monsters, kav, warmachines.... every archetype. Lizardmen and Ogres above them in the ranking are a bit much I think, ogres are auch a one trick pony, same as dwarves. Empire are comparable to lizardmen and skaven in their diversity, are not core but therefore more models available so same tier for me + with empire you can literally learn and play every aspect of the game.
@RyanF1313
4 ай бұрын
Thought you would write: …. skaven player: hold my cheese
@andrewj1754
4 ай бұрын
@@michaelf.7339as an Empire player for over 15 years (I stopped playing during the AOS times) this edition of Empire is very much the worst. Just becausebour roster has options for most playstyles, does not mean our roster can do any of then well. Usually, Empire excels as a Jack of all Trades / Combined arms list… except this edition it can’t even do that. The core of the problem is core. Empire Core choices are the worst they have ever been. The other problems, are our artillery is severely nerfed in many ways this edition, which was usually our equaliser against dragons, and now we have no real answer. Lastly, half our characters are useless. In particular, Warrior Priests, one of the most iconic characters are terrible now.
@ANDROIDsheep1
24 күн бұрын
Chuckles in Orc.
@Vikingeek
3 ай бұрын
Re: TK Skeletons looking derpy - As TOW launch was approaching, and finding out that my once planned 6th edition Beastman Army wouldn't be posisble from the Ravening Hordes book (still holding out for the arcane journal...) I decided to go with Tomb Kings, and as more and more of the new models were shown off, it became clear that the basic skeleton kits weren't being redone, I got more and more upset about how derpy the skeletons looked in pictures. But honestly, after building and painting them all they honestly don't look all that bad in person. That's not to say the sculpts couldn't be improved - but I'd almost be worried that newer sculpts would add details that would take away from the spray/wash/drybrush aspect of the chaff units... Re: Dark Elves just being spiky High Elves - while some aspects of their models might be spiky mirrors of their high elven cousins, I think the high elf vs dark elf story is far too intrinsic to the WHFB setting to just off handedly say they should be deleted from the game. But most importantly, IF Games Workshop do bring back the renegade/legends factions, for the love of all things holy PLEASE bring back the fat cow cold ones rather than the skinny raptors!
@dzav8909
4 ай бұрын
Lizards should be higher for models alone and then the great plan makes them S tier 🙏
@svartninjan
4 ай бұрын
For old world I got 3 arimes, lizards, dark elves and goblins. At least one of them got really good rules lolol
@SnowTroIl
4 ай бұрын
Lizardmen - Miniatures S tier. Rules/Internal balance C tier.
@themidnightaristocrat
4 ай бұрын
Blindsided by the Dark Elves take. Damn. You can buy 90% of the range from GW still. Warriors with Spears/Swords/Crossbows, Witch Elves/Sisters of Slaughter, Blackguard/Executioners, Corsairs, Dark Riders/Doomfire Warlocks, Cauldron of Blood/Bloodwrack Shrine, Cold Ones, Scourgerunner/Cold One Chariots, Black Dragon, Hydra/Kharibdyss, Assassin, Sorceress and they even have AoS stuff like the Melusai (Medusas) and the flying Witch Elves can be used as Harpies. I think they are THE most evil and brutal faction in Fantasy. By far. I can't imagine fantasy without that threat. But maybe I'm bias, currently building an army... but damn lol
@BananenbaumEY
Ай бұрын
have you ever heard of skaven?
@themidnightaristocrat
Ай бұрын
@BananenbaumEY yeah, I consider Skaven on the same tier of evil. It's just the bastardisation of the regal immortal elf. Just takes it that little bit further, in my opinion.
@BananenbaumEY
Ай бұрын
@@themidnightaristocrat well, fair point sir. fair point yes-yes.
@schlatta-dirtydeeds9351
4 ай бұрын
That unintentional bell curve on the tier list was so satisfying. 10/10 lads
@daveh9389
4 ай бұрын
This was the video that made me decide to start a chorf army. Really happy to see that a deep dive was put out today. Going to dig into that on my long run tomorrow.
@MrSmitejr
4 ай бұрын
Calling it 'late into the edition' when so few core armies have their books is a bit odd
@perfidy1103
4 ай бұрын
On the one hand Val is entirely correct that Dark Elves are kinda just dark mirrors of High Elves (Phoenix/Black Guard, Swordmasters/Executioners, White Lions/Corsairs (they both have cloaks!)). On the other hand tell me Cold One Knights aren't amazing. High Elves get dudes on horses who wish they were riding dragons, Dark Elves get dudes riding poisonous lizards.
@SquareBasedOldWorld
4 ай бұрын
Most cogent counterpoint I've read so far.
@perfidy1103
4 ай бұрын
@@SquareBasedOldWorld I think I'll make that my epitaph: "Here lies Perfidy, he made the most cogent counterpoint in favour of Dark Elves." 😄
@ExodusDisciple
4 ай бұрын
Thank you both for being fantastic.
@SquareBasedOldWorld
4 ай бұрын
Our pleasure!
@worthless_punk
2 ай бұрын
I knew Rob from juggz and his show but boy is Val funny
@BlastbeatsBoltguns
4 ай бұрын
I’ve been following the channel and watching your videos starting around the launch of The Old World, and I just want to say a genuine thank you for all of the great info and entertainment. It really feels like being part of a community here. Anyway, after deliberating over one of the army boxes since launch and following some ups, downs and personal victories in the past couple of weeks, I went out today and treated myself to the Tomb Kings box and can’t wait to get started! Apologies for the ramble, cheers again and stay Square Based!
@dtw8446
19 күн бұрын
The good news about the rule set is that with modern publishing changing it is practically free.
@nurglematthew893
4 ай бұрын
I wanna know! The mistakes I made when I let Olde Worlde Innnn!
@Hallibut
17 күн бұрын
Dark Elves are actually SUPER easy to get hold of from GW! Most infantry and Cavalry is in cities of sigmar, but there is also loads in Daughters of Khaine too. It's very easy to slap together a variety of 2k lists using easily accessible kits. I agree with them being a bit too 1-1 with High Elves, but the flip side of that is, should the army be obliterated entirely in a future update, you can run them as the High Elf equivalent. Warriors = Warriros Executioners = Sword Masters Black Guard = Phoenox Guard etc. If you like the look, I think they're a cool choice.
@ph1lb3rt
4 ай бұрын
Loved the banter and discourse in resolving this list. I came into the Old World with a small collection of Dark Elves from my childhood and managed to pick up a few of the available models on the lead up. When they ended up being a Legacy faction I was a little hurt, shifted gears and let them simmer while I bought and built my first ever Bretonnian army simply out of the availability category and that as a kid they always called to me but I never had the budget when I was 10 for Fantasy. Next on my wish list is Wood Elves! Can't wait for the eventual release. (Sorry Dark Elves...I hope you don't get cut though...)
@phoenixdragoon
2 ай бұрын
.........y'all gave an A, almost S, for collectability, to an army that cannot currently be purchased at all?
@SamuraiMujuru
4 ай бұрын
Lizardmen was the first army I ever owned back when the first released and I've been a fan ever since. Really think I've got to go with the classic dinosaur tank for favorite Dino, because ankylosaurus are awesome. On the STL front a lot of the very out-of-print armies can easily be built using Highlands. Those cats are crazy.
@warpaintjj
4 ай бұрын
Great show, more of this style please! Agree with your calls by the chosen categories 👍
@zergstirfry
4 ай бұрын
Quetzalcoatlus, a giant pterosaur… yea I love lizardmen hahaha
@kravernar
4 ай бұрын
Poor Louise! She dosen't deserve that ''hate'' ! 😊
@BMBMiniatures
4 ай бұрын
I understand why you say Dark elves and High elves are reskins of each other (arguably), but just because one is legacy and one is not, feels bad to have them in the same tier.
@DireAvenger-Thepage
2 ай бұрын
Im 3d printing an entire chorf army and loving it
@Charsiupao
3 ай бұрын
For Vampire Counts, I hope they re-release the Lahmian Vampire (both mounted and on foot) as well as Vlad, Isabella, Konrad models on a made-to-order basis. There's also that one-wing chap. Vampire Counts doesn't seem to have many cool aristocratic vampires.
@xianpathfinder7
3 ай бұрын
As a high elf player... those dwarf comments definitely have your banes in the book
@IW-44
2 ай бұрын
I've been playing 40k since 8th and got into AoS for the fantasy setting even though I didn't love the lore. Bretonnia was literally everything I wanted in a fantasy army and is what got me into Old World. Absolutely fantastic models.
@iJasko
4 ай бұрын
Seeing Chaos Dwarfs in D of any tier list just breaks my heart.
@kdhlkjhdlk
4 ай бұрын
They're S tier.
@Blaowser
4 ай бұрын
I am a chaos demons player. Round bases but with move trays. I am literally ready to play 40k, aos, old world, warcry, and HH.
@andrewj1754
4 ай бұрын
Everytime I see a Skaven opponent, I always think 'this is going to be a horrible time.' Skaven players, in my experience were always very argumentative, ruleslawyery, and generally min-maxing their army to rude levels. But I also was a mainly Empire player, and Skaven are kinda designed to beat Empire, so there is that.
@Hawko1313
4 ай бұрын
Skaven rules have always been worded so poorly, that actually deciding how they're going to work at the start of the game was a reasonable ask. When their weapon teams were forced to flee as a charge response, you could simply declare charges you knew would fail to push them off the table turn one RAW. Skaven are fun to have around when you know the player, and want to do awesome horde battles and theme games. But their LOLSORANDOM playstyle and character/weapon team/monster heavy lists are just frustrating for everyone
@markysgeeklab8783
4 ай бұрын
@Hawko1313 the "lol so random" is why I like them. I really enjoyed playing the odds, in 8th they had so many effects and combos that would be OP the 20% of the times they worked. Skitterleap into doomrokkit was my personal favorite.
@JackTalksMTG
4 ай бұрын
These videos have got me very excited to get stuck in with the old world. Cheers lads
@equos5060
3 ай бұрын
I already bought a whole army of Ogres. If new AoS infant-ogre hunter is a sign of things to come, I'm glad I have the old figures. New Gorgers are fire tho.
@t_hetty1758
Ай бұрын
Got 500 pts of elves on eBay for a stater force so I’m excited to hear they fun.
@christopherkruse1370
4 ай бұрын
Saurus warriors and the temple guard need the drilled rule (or upgrade)
@aldaron1021
4 ай бұрын
New player here, 3 out of the 4 armies that I am most exited to play are legacy factions so after my Orcs and Goblins I would definitely be purchasing 3d prints locally for Chaos Dwarves, Dark Elves and Vampire Counts. There are some amazing 3d prints for Chaos Dwarves and they have very good variety. I would love them to return to the Old World but I guess GW is saving them for AoS.
@cloraformsgood5340
4 ай бұрын
Just want to give a shout out to Raging Heroes. They do excellent ranges of elves both high and dark as well as slaanesh. Raging heroes do a subscription for 3d prints and also have a store to buy caste resin and metal miniatures.
@kaozium7878
2 ай бұрын
"chaos warriors are crap, so are chaos knights and chosen, and the monsters aren’t great, I think it’s S tier" I need an explanation Rob :D quite a different conclusion from what you say in your army overview.
@Malisteen
4 ай бұрын
Apart from being a legacy faction, the main problem with daemons imo is that their pdf rules as written heavily push you towards running a single alignment. It's not so much one 'chaos daemons' army so much as four mini armies - 'Khorne Daemons', 'Tzeentch Daemons', Slaanesh Daemons', and Nurgle Daemons.' And unfortunately while 'chaos daemons' on the whole might seem spoiled for choice, each of the individual aligned factions has to make do with not quite half of a full faction's pool of available units. If all of those units are good then that mini faction is absolutely still fully effective on the table, but unlike regular factions where one or two dud units generally isn't a big deal, with daemons one or two duds could cripple a whole alignment since they just don't have a deep enough pool of units to field something else in their place. You also don't really have room to shift around your play style much without effectively swapping out your faction altogether, the way that, say, a vamp count army could swap a vamp lord on a dragon and some blood knights for a necromancer on mortis engine, a terrorgheist, and a banshee or two and effectively change up how their army plays while leaving most of it in place. Between that, not being 'core', and a few sculpts that imo really don't hold up, I'd honestly put them in C, maybe swapping places with dark elves.
@SquareBasedOldWorld
4 ай бұрын
I guess, viewing them from a purely 8th edition lense (where I felt exactly all of these points were true and frustrating) I found the pdf at first blush to not nearly be as hemmed into mono-God builds. But I might be wrong about that.
@bobbym.1367
2 ай бұрын
I regret to say i only have two middle fingers to hold up upon my druchii emo gauntlets
@severintw
2 ай бұрын
For me classic high elves look way better then the Lumineth with their Christmas trees on their head.
@IceJoust
4 ай бұрын
For the Brets I'm doing a compromise on the Entirely Unique Schemes: the "of the Realm" knights have standard horses and then custom riders. What a savings!
@SquareBasedOldWorld
4 ай бұрын
Good luck with the project
@alagass6466
4 ай бұрын
Great Unclean One came out in 2017, long after Fantasy ended
@SquareBasedOldWorld
4 ай бұрын
Dang it! I definitely muddled up the GUO w Glottkin
@spencernauman1524
4 ай бұрын
I'll definitely consider getting into Old World when High Elves come out. Was very tempted to get Ogres for AoS so if there's some way I could run them in both I would do that in a heartbeat.
@MissJunksBits
4 ай бұрын
I giggle every time someone says 'peg knights'. Great vid!
@DerOrk
4 ай бұрын
As much as GW's marketing guys / brand managers claim that the Legacy PDFs are exclusively ment for people with pre-existing WHFB armies to "try out" the new rules ... the writers / designers of the Daemons of Chaos list had very clearly other ideas. Like, we got rules for Brimstone Horrors - literally an AoS unit, no WHFB players would have those in their collection. Now if only we could ally Daemons with other armies ... I'm hoping the Warriors of Chaos arcane journal is gonna allow you to include them. The Chaos Warshrine, the Vortex Beast, Skull Crushers, Hellstriders ... all stuff suspiciously missing, but could make sense alongside daemons as part of a more daemonic, more elevated in the eyes of the god, type army of infamy. "The Warhost of the Everchosen" or something. And maybe to contrast that, we'll get a Total War Warhammer Norsca inspired army list alongside, one focused on Marauders and war beasts.
@SquareBasedOldWorld
4 ай бұрын
Really good point
@liamobrien3194
4 ай бұрын
Greenskins should be dropped one purely because GW missed the opportunity to put out a special release Orcane Journal
@AnominousRex
3 ай бұрын
I’ve been slow to get into old world. Mainly just because I lack the hobby time atmo. I hope the first edition last an extra year or two just so I have a chance to play.
@JoeLewis-k8x
4 ай бұрын
Cracking show! I do have one point to make - if you wanted all original GW models then yes CDs (are a very difficult to collect) but a mix of a few originals and the amazing 3d sculpts means this is a very easy army to obtain. As you said their rules provide a huge amount of play styles. Wood Elves and Empire are certainly harder options and probably won't be available for a while.
@joegroves2517
4 ай бұрын
As a new player I was going to get into Dwarfs because I was thinking either them or Wood Elves (maybe High Elfs) and they're actually coming out. If I hadn't gotten into Warhammer with Necrons and Thousand Sons I'd probably have gone with Tomb Kings though. It seems I'm allergic to melee.
@derekgehring2771
4 ай бұрын
Just shaking my head at Val's take on DE while somehow giving CD a pass when everything said for DE applies even harder to CD. While at the same time DE are all available to purchase.
@MiniatureRealms
4 ай бұрын
Apparently I’m a weird little guy. Great stuff chaps
@AndyPrzybyla
Ай бұрын
Rob Val, so what I think would be a great ranker vid, looking at the USR (universal special rules) and which are dope and which are worthless.
@jamesteal8253
4 ай бұрын
Allosaurus. I have been collecting Lizardmen for over 20 years… never played a game. Got excited about Age of Sigmar, but was still too invested in 40K to try them as Seraphon. Now with TOW, I am finally taking the plunge and building and painting.
@NateFinch
4 ай бұрын
You can get almost a full range of wood elf STLs from Titan Forge for like $70
@marklord582
2 күн бұрын
Chaos Dwarf miniatures - what about the Mantic Abyssal dwarfs? They're basically the same units and in cheap plastic
@tidewatertrains
4 ай бұрын
This is an interesting discussion for me in particular, as I was never into Warhammer until a year ago, and now I’m diving in deep with Old World in particular. All of these classic GW sculpts are pretty appealing to me (for some strange reason), so I’ve gotten both starter boxes as well as a Skull Pass box itching to get on the tabletop. Exploring this classic world of Warhammer Fantasy through the rules and the tabletop has been a wonderful adventure, and I can actually see myself one day getting at least a token force for each faction, at least as a pipe-dream goal! Therefore, this is a good reference for which armies I may want to target first, and which ones I should maybe wait for that rare deal to scoop up when the time is right - thanks for the great video!
@chitzkoi
4 ай бұрын
It almost stresses me out when you guys reference Mr. Malorian. Dude never broke 6k subs.
@SquareBasedOldWorld
4 ай бұрын
A crime!
@broke_af_games9661
4 ай бұрын
Thanks guys.... A little late for me, but.... Hahaha Beastmen, Chaos warriors, vampire counts, lizardmen, ogors, and possibly some wood elves (if I don't convert everything into chaos) and Empire. I did jump on ogres specifically because of the low model count and will get me on the table more quickly than all my horde armies. However, they (and my empire faction) do not use standard ogres. I wanted my ogres to resemble the same size as the ogre in one of the original war cry boxes, as well as my mordheim ogre. I found some wild alternatives. When I'm done painting them, I'll see you about firing pictures off to you guys somehow. I did use the old ogre heads but I needed to convert them (these bodies aren't fat) by shaving down the jawline and under the chin. But the new kit I got had so many extra heads that I can redo my whole Army or I can more easily just fix 9 I got with the old GW heads.... What to do, what to do. While I do believe GW did us a solid by fixing and releasing the game ... They got enough out of me with my Warriors, Vamps, wood elves and lizardmen
@eliabescotti7449
4 ай бұрын
(Biased opinion) I would generally disagree on dark elves not on the tier per se - not easy to play and high elves offer more in general - but on the availability of the models: all the range besides shades, the beastmaster on manticore and the sorceress on Pegasus (and perhaps very few others, mostly characters options that you can convert) is currently available in AoS: Cities of Sigmar and Daughters of Khaine. Moreover, that's all 8th edition plastics and probably amongst the best WHFB sculpts. This being said, there are also growing 3d prints offers, such as White Angels Miniatures doing one of the best jobs at keeping the traditional Elvish style. Forg3d is printing them in 28mm for those who do not have a printer. For something more exotic you may also want to check out Titan Forge Everdark Elves (very wild and buggish style) and Lost Kingdom miniatures (very far east, mostly based on Japan, great for a Far East Cathayan/Nipponic theme).
@eliabescotti7449
4 ай бұрын
Plus, I mean, with a Black Dragon box and a Scourgerunner Chariot you can bash out: - both a Dreadlord or a Sorceress on Black Dragon if you don't glue them - a high beastmaster on Scourgerunner Chariot - use the leftover cold ones for your spare Dreadlord or sorceress from the dragon kit (to the extent that you could play both in the same list without gluing any of them) - a master BSB with minimum conversion - a Noble on foot (instead of using the Fleetmaster, currently the only other option) I think they have plenty of availability. Sure, caveat is that they are mostly mail order if and when they are available on the website.
@SquareBasedOldWorld
4 ай бұрын
I should have probably researched a take this hot
@eliabescotti7449
4 ай бұрын
@@SquareBasedOldWorldlol, you saw the saltiness in all our DE players' comments 😂 Regardless, I really wanted to shout out the 3d creators because there are some options. Last swords and dragons lake are other two that just came to my mind.
@ryanbowald2425
4 ай бұрын
Something that wasn’t pointed out for warriors of chaos is that we can now use the new darkoath models as our marauders rather than the crappy old ones which was a game changer for me.
@iJasko
4 ай бұрын
Completely agree with Rob, Wood Elves are C, just for collectability alone. Yes, the Tree-Stuff is available, but you couldn't form a legal Grand Army out of those. And STL doesn't count, otherwise Chaos Dwarfs should be higher too.
@SquareBasedOldWorld
4 ай бұрын
Chaos being low broke me
@iJasko
4 ай бұрын
@@SquareBasedOldWorld in a „can I get these models to play“ list I get it. Has been like this since the mid 90s. Hope you set the record straight in the Chaos Dwarfs Deep Doive ;)
@cidahl7005
4 ай бұрын
That drop from S to B for Bretonnia offends ze lady. For those of us who have finished and are finishing individual heraldry on our knights, pushing through and getting that done has been the single most rewarding experience of my hobby career. Should have split the difference on A, just like for Beasts. Fun episode though!
@Malisteen
4 ай бұрын
Vampire Counts, as the inheritor of the old Warhammer Undead, is and was a menagerie with ghouls, ghosts, skeletons, zombies, vampires, and so on. So I don't mind them not really doing 'all vampires all the time'. Even in AoS, where ghouls and ghosts have been spun out into their own armies, the Soulblight Gravelords - direct descendants of the Vampire Counts faction - still have zombies and skeletons and wights, and necromancers, with vampires typically occupying commander and elite roles rather than core troops. Full vampire armies are allowed in the AoS vampire faction, but they're not the default there either. Anyway, yeah, while the Vampire lords and heroes themselves have definitely been reigned in compared to WHFB, the faction as a whole still has great rules in old world, and access to great models via the AoS range, and are kept out of S tier here only because they're a legacy faction. Something I hope changes when AoS gets new black knight, grave guard, and zombie dragon models, letting the entire old WHFB range kick back to Old World as its own thing. I'd certainly love to be able to buy more of the 7th ed skeleton warriors kit to use in place of the too-old-for-my-taste tomb kings skeletons.
@footpatroltzchar375
4 ай бұрын
Empire honestly is probably one of the better starter armies.
@TheGeneralGarcia
4 ай бұрын
This made me really think twice about watching another video from Square Based. It's bad enough that we have to fight off GW reps to allow Legacy factions in our tournaments let alone have Val telling GW to get rid of Dark Elves. Pretty damaging if you ask me.
@SquareBasedOldWorld
4 ай бұрын
Hey we understand your point. We hope this comes across as friends at the pub and we are not always right. It would be toxic to assume so
@jellyfiish2870
4 ай бұрын
"fight of GW reps to allow Legacy factions in our tournaments".. elitist mentality at it's finest!
@TheGeneralGarcia
4 ай бұрын
@@jellyfiish2870 yeah it's crazy... like we need really need added restrictions on a niche player base, or to further antagonize players who already are coming back from a complete GW gut punch in 2015.
@Crushanator1
4 ай бұрын
Im a long time High Elf Player and i really looked into Lumineth conversions for when Old World was announced and theyre pretty different. I feel like you could do a head swap and shield swap on the spearmen with pretty good affect, the chariot heads in particular look great. Theres a few characters as well, but thats kind of about it, so then you run into a sort of range mismatch issue as you take bolt throwers or cavalry stuff. IDK, I got files for printing but im just waiting to see thr rules at this point bc I cant handle buying an elf army and busting my ass painting only for them to suck on the table. Not again lol
@DanielJJBGriffin
4 ай бұрын
Dread Saurian 😥
@cavemansam8400
3 ай бұрын
46:35 - Have to disagree, I love the fantasy 16th century look of the empire! Big feathered caps and black powder all the way! :)
@gustavgrime
4 ай бұрын
Wood Elves are tier S
@357Dejavu
4 ай бұрын
I hope that you all are right about Deamons. I’m considering rebasing my Tzeentch army for old world.
@kandrenai
4 ай бұрын
High Elves: S tier Dark Elves: S tier Wood Elves: S tier. Dwarfcels keep coping. All Elves are S tier.
@AlastairPaterson
4 ай бұрын
If Orcs and Goblins is a choice then it’s THE choice 👍
@AP-hv9ll
4 ай бұрын
There are .stl’s for CD’s out in the world. Several years back I worked with a couple of Europeans (and maybe a Brazilian.) the French guy was using photogrammetry and getting rough scans. We’d spend hours in blender doing the cleanups. I personally did some of the hobgoblins, warriors, and blunderbusses. Others did the monstrous mounts, more bb’s, the stilt guy, etc. those stl’s or printing services have to be out there somewhere for someone looking hard enough. I got bored of the tedious blender work and bailed, but the others had commercial aspirations. The quality wouldn’t pass 2024 standards but held up very well against 90’s pewter casts.
@TheGeneralGarcia
4 ай бұрын
Dark Elves are the BEST faction, but I do realize that Val has been butt-hurt by losing to them. SQUARE BIASED!
@vzgg1973
4 ай бұрын
Good chat. If you approached TOW as a theme player I think your analysis holds up. That being ppl that want to play the game like the vibe of how it is marketed & envisaged e.g armies that have command groups, standards, ranks, units across a range rather then multiples of the same unit type or Min/Max selections. Model accessibility & rules follow a similar rational to competitive style play in this instance.
@bodboddington9367
4 ай бұрын
Awh, I like the current Orc charriot xD I got the Orc box, then grabbed some boar boiz... calling my Orc clan the "Bacon Boiz"! Wouldn't be as good if the orcs didn't have a veriety of pigs!
@danielshook2442
4 ай бұрын
Chaos dwarves have a decent range by Mantic that’s pretty cheap which helps with the base troopers at least
@earnestwanderer2471
4 ай бұрын
What I’m finding. And what a crazy thing to “complain” about. The points values are so high that I just can’t play all the units I want to include at 2000 pts. I’m leaning into 3000 pt games, mainly because there’s a bit of HeroHammer in TOW
@SquareBasedOldWorld
4 ай бұрын
There definitely is and I hope it's fun!
@charlesiswatching5287
3 ай бұрын
I would love the Chaos Dwarf but it is really hard army to collect, unfortunately.
@dan_hahn
4 ай бұрын
All I want is to paint skinks in the style of lisa frank.
@josephjustice4553
4 ай бұрын
Great discussion. 😊
@JackPeel-ul1eu
3 ай бұрын
I've been wanting a Warriors of Chaos army since I was a kid and the old world might finally be my chance to achieve that 😁 when you say the models are all readily available, does that mean the AoS STD range rebased?
@SquareBasedOldWorld
3 ай бұрын
Yes exactly. Also tons out there second hand
@andrewlivingston630
4 ай бұрын
I'm surprised you felt so down on the Dark Elves tbh - you can get the majority of the models (stock permitting), and they are 100% the range that's most likely to get moved back to being core to my mind, just because I have to think they will get pulled out of COS in the next 18 months when that gets a second wave for AOS, and at that point the blocker from SGS/Main GW will be over. They're way more likely to come back than Daemons I think. I'd also say they are the most likely of the legacy factions to actually get a rules update when GW eventually accept that nobody else but them is buying this tournament legal bit and they don't have enough balancing data to work with to make the core/legacy thing work, and they're fairly elite and easy/quick to get on the tabletop.
@brettjeff9227
4 ай бұрын
Can someone explain to me why Rob is saying Warriors of Chaos Chosen are underwhelming? I'm finding no problem effectively using them in competitive games. Am I missing something?
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