She forgot about the other sentient artificial lifeform in Starfleet, the one she interacts with on a regular basis, the Doctor.
@Gaeilgeoir
10 жыл бұрын
There's a big difference between an artificial lifeform and a computer program.
@xBloodXGusherx
9 жыл бұрын
Gaeilgeoir if you think about it, not really. at their core, they are both programs acting off code. one is projected and one is mechanized. go even further and humans are biological forms of this.
@dibaterman
9 жыл бұрын
The doctor's only similarity with Data was that he had a lot of screen time, even more so when they gave him the mobility to leave the Sickbay. Aside from that he's just a hologram, in the SNG examples of holograms, they all act incredibly human but only because they were coded as such. But yea it is terribly hard to tell and it might not actually be a mistake from Torres.
@Gaeilgeoir
9 жыл бұрын
The Doctor is NOT a life form. He's a computer program. There's a world of difference...
@niiiiiiisse
9 жыл бұрын
FlyingPanda Data isn't a program, he functions with an actual brain and stuff, not from a computer.
@andyt2k
5 жыл бұрын
"Wears a uniform just like the rest of us..... and outranks me"
@jeanlukvolker2358
4 жыл бұрын
Would be awesome if she said that. Shows the enormous. Respect for the officer.
@StephEWaterstram
3 жыл бұрын
She's referring to the OPS department
@DrRiddlez2015
3 жыл бұрын
Also 2nd Officer of the Enterprise the Federations Flagship
@bemasaberwyn55
3 жыл бұрын
@@DrRiddlez2015 to be fair he's also a Lieutenant Commander
@hogbmain
3 жыл бұрын
Rip
@darcybrummett7004
8 жыл бұрын
I just used calculator and he's been in service about 150 years.
@Voidhawk42
7 жыл бұрын
149 years, 361 days. His birthday is in 4 days!
@Automatik234
7 жыл бұрын
So now :D
@stinkydoggy98
7 жыл бұрын
Assuming the planet he comes from has a 24 hour day and 365 day calendar year.
@swiperfox3145
7 жыл бұрын
1,314,807 hours 33 minutes Using 24 hours/day; & 365.25 days/year that's 149 years; 361 days; 9 hours; 33 minutes He is nearing his 150th birth anniversary... or rather 150th Activation Anniversary
@CosmicPlatonix
7 жыл бұрын
He likely would not have chosen "hours" as a unit of measurement if it weren't a constant length of time throughout the Federation (which would be a repurposing of it from its original intent, but that's fine.) Assuming this is true, we can state that he has been in service about 150 of Earth's years, regardless of how many years that would translate to on other planets.
@JeroAstra
8 жыл бұрын
It's so freaking cool to see the different series reference each other.
@paulstewart9240
8 жыл бұрын
I find it funny that they're talking about Data while Brent's acting as Three-Nine-Four-Seven.
@nathanielmabry1700
7 жыл бұрын
I recently started watching Enterprise. The references get me everytime.
@Moviefan2k4
7 жыл бұрын
Rick Worthy played 3947, not Brent Spiner. He later went on to play various characters in other "Trek" shows, plus programs like "Battlestar Galactica", "The Vampire Diaries", and "The Magicians". He also did a TV version of "The Magnificent Seven".
@paulstewart9240
7 жыл бұрын
Well, the voice sure sounded similar.
@Qermaq
7 жыл бұрын
Not to me. Very different.
@daniels7907
9 жыл бұрын
She might have considered mentioning that Data in fact outranks her and she would be expected to take orders from him if she were serving on the same starship. Then she could have used that as a lead in to explaining the concept of individual rights and how a multi-species society works, which these robots did not seem to comprehend.
@jasonpayne23
6 жыл бұрын
Daniel S i was thinking the exact same thing.
@Arthus850
5 жыл бұрын
Sadly these robots only have one thing in mind, destroy the enemy, and all other knowledge they acquire will be irrelevant once they act on that objective. I mean, their own creators tried to make peace with their enemies, and since their programming didn't include the possibility of peace, they declared their creators traitors and wiped them all out. You tell them all of this, and the second their enemy appears, it will all instantly be forgotten.
@Rockhound6165
5 жыл бұрын
Well, considering she was a member of the Maquis I would think an ensign would outrank her as her current title is only symbolic out of necessity.
@Gambit771
5 жыл бұрын
Considering her past I doubt the writers would have her taking orders from a male even if android.
@hyperhektor7733
5 жыл бұрын
then you will be interested in this, google: rule34 data
@pinoypizza
8 жыл бұрын
Nerdy or geeky as this is, I always love it when overlapping works that take place in the same world reference or discuss about one another. It really shows how wide and rich the universe the works they take place in can be.
@kuribo1
8 жыл бұрын
+nepomusik Yes yes I understand I always got this thrill that just reinforced the larger world aspect of it all. DS9 TNG cross overs were awesome! This little gem is good as well. The Riker and Q episode I thought was great.
@saquist
8 жыл бұрын
+nepomusik Nerd and Geek is form of disparagement to express a dislike for those that appreciate knowledge.
@guguigugu
8 жыл бұрын
and then someone comes along and reboots it, and all that decades-long effort to maintain continuity and relations doesnt mean anything anymore
@ElMoShApPiNeSs
7 жыл бұрын
This timeline still exists parallel to the new timeline.
@timetravellerregisteredtra850
5 жыл бұрын
Used to be. Used to be. Now thanks to the licensing scams by Bad Robot, CBS and Kurtzman it's all torched and destroyed.
@puzzleshark3796
3 жыл бұрын
*comes back a few hours later* 3947: Data lied B'elanna: How so? 3947: He says his name is Lore
@tonyyoung3985
7 жыл бұрын
Talking about Data is one thing. Bellana telling us she knows he's fully functional. Then I'll be impressed.
@potsdam28
7 жыл бұрын
Only two people knew for sure, and they both are dead.
@2Scribble
7 жыл бұрын
That's how we know he's fully functional
@DJDeezyThaTruth
7 жыл бұрын
+Potsdam28 -- Awww XD
@eltmg7135
7 жыл бұрын
Well, they are both dead, but both basically confirmed already that it is the case, so it doesn't matter that they're dead
@BloodofPatriots
7 жыл бұрын
Jenna D'Sora died?
@TheSaneHatter
10 жыл бұрын
A great moment, in one of B'elanna's best stories: it's too bad we never actually got to see her MEET Data.
@Djarra
10 жыл бұрын
Not on film, but she meets Data in a 'Starfleet Academy' novel set before she dropped out and joined the Marques. As these books are aimed at young readers it doesn't state if she tested his level of full functionality.
@aslarnblackfyre5126
3 жыл бұрын
So Data is the only sentient being in their society... Glad the Doctor didn't hear that....
@electrictroy2010
Жыл бұрын
NOVELS ARE NOT CANON. Paramount has stated this many times. They routinely ignore the events in the novels. If B’Elanna ever meets Data then she will say “Our first time meeting” .
@sfgdhdhd
7 жыл бұрын
So Data is the only sentient being in their society... Glad the Doctor didn't hear that....
@michaelskywalker3089
5 жыл бұрын
or Lor; if someone re-assembled him not to mention that other prototype Moon built.
@galahad6300
5 жыл бұрын
Data was the only sentient one at that time, the Doctor hadn’t been accepted yet or something
@Tyhros
5 жыл бұрын
i dont think the doctor would count as a sentient machine, hes a sentient program. which can display a physical form. and Lor is not part of starfleet, so perhaps B'elanna did not include him, because hes not part of their society, and it would complicate things to include an evil sentient ai machine.
@Xylarxcode
5 жыл бұрын
@@Tyhros Or, more simply, B'elanna doesn't know about Lore. Data is kind of famous in Federation circles, but his evil brother? Not so much. They try to keep it under wraps that there's an identical android to Data running around out there. If Voyager takes place at the same time as TNG, then Data wouldn't have been active for that long and even the TNG crew didn't know about Lore initially. It's possible that they only ran into him while Voyager was already stuck in the Delta Quadrant.
@Tyhros
5 жыл бұрын
@@Xylarxcode that makes better sense, didnt consider that about lore. Him being lesser known or under raps.
@louisiananlord17
8 жыл бұрын
I really wish they had put Data in Voyager's holodeck for 39 to meet him. Would've been one of the best Voyager episodes of all time. But this was a good episode anyway.
@Sraye
8 жыл бұрын
+Paul-Octave Hébert And then 39 starts asking questions about photonic lifeforms and hears the Doctor's complaints about being oppressed.
@electrictroy2010
Жыл бұрын
Actors cost money. Voyager couldn’t afford more than a few guest spots per year. (Also possible Brent Spiner was busy doing other shows.)
@trekgirl65
Жыл бұрын
doctor was a hologram. lol!
@Random1208
8 ай бұрын
Better yet, put Professor Moriarty on Voyager's holodeck.
@Seven35888
2 жыл бұрын
Something that’s pretty cool is how you realise how much more sophisticated Data really is compared to these androids, which seem to be numerous throughout this part of the Delta Quadrant. Data has facial expressions, a voice with inflections, eyes that blink at “random”. He’s also able to reconcile different conflicting ideas and possess *true* agency and free will whereas these androids can’t seem to operate outside of their programming.
@sallysanchez8891
2 жыл бұрын
I think Data would disagree with you.
@Seven35888
2 жыл бұрын
@@sallysanchez8891 which is what’s so great abt him lol
@cybercifrado
Жыл бұрын
The REAL... ahem... Measure of a Man... is whether or not a cat would deign to share quarters with 3947...
@shadizersilverhand2113
6 ай бұрын
Well these androids were meant to be weapons, so they didn't include those features. Now if they were say assassins rather than frontline soldiers they'd have surely included the full run of humanoid features like facial expressions and blinking eyes.
@calhoun24
5 жыл бұрын
One thing I love about the Star Trek universe is that it’s interconnected. Even thousands of light years away from Federation Space, Voyager and her crew are aware of other notable places and people - and when they established contact with Earth, vice versa. Data, Spock, Q, the history of the Enterprise, Deep Space Nine, the Dominion - all of it.
@texasscifi3431
Жыл бұрын
I read the Trek Lit Pocket Books Timeline. Took about 3 years and was well worth the journey. All the Voyager relaunch books were excellent by Kirsten Beyer .
@carpathiavh99
5 жыл бұрын
I love the Johnny 5 robot hand thrown into the pile of parts.
@winterwonderwasteland
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, thank you. Was thinking the exact same
@metazare
4 жыл бұрын
I recognized it immediately, and I was scrolling through comments hoping I wasn't alone.
@johnp1679
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks how did i miss that it was my fav movie as a kid still love it now tho
@komkwam
3 жыл бұрын
@Carpathia's Creations It is called recycling. 😁
@tristanchristiansen9054
3 жыл бұрын
Seemed like a terminator skull aswell
@dykesy30
10 жыл бұрын
He has been online for 150 years.
@Galilee1964
8 жыл бұрын
+Matt Dykes I just watched this for the first time and did the math. Then I wondered if anyone else did the math too, and then I saw your comment.
@Fermion.
7 жыл бұрын
+CowsRus Some languages are different. The U.S. uses math as opposed to maths. By the way, taking such a condescending tone in regards to language, one would think you would structure your "sentence" better than an 8 year old.
@animalyze7120
7 жыл бұрын
+CowsRus Ignorant? Your something of a special type aren't you? Just remember who saved your dumb asses from becoming extinct in the 40's you halfwit.
@dykesy30
7 жыл бұрын
Robert Kowalke That would be Russia. Now can all the children take their petty arguments elsewhere because I'm getting fed up of getting emails and notifications every time one of you replies to my comment. Thank you in advance.
@jimsolo5739
6 жыл бұрын
Matt Dykes
@mmjahink
Жыл бұрын
This is what I love about Star Trek. It's all about the exchange of cultures between two species which highlights the contrast between them. This scene in particular is interesting because it follows that exact idea but it's between Starfleet and an AI Cyborg. They eventually seem to establish some sort of understanding and connection. It's subtle stuff like this that I enjoy so much about Star Trek.
@kenziej3633
7 жыл бұрын
I love how the Star Trek Worlds intertwine each other like that. Even though they come from the same creators, but it's still so cool!! I love Star Trek!!
@kenziej3633
7 жыл бұрын
Also, Data is my most favorite Star Trek character!!!
@marcziegenhain8420
6 жыл бұрын
"His name is Data. And he is more perfect than you and your companions are ever will be."
@michaelsaumure7697
8 жыл бұрын
Actually she left out the Exocomps. They were considered sentient in their willingness to act in a manner of self-sacrifice, and in protest to the endangering of their fellows. They just weren't as witty as Data.
@james13sylar
8 жыл бұрын
They aren't probably as well known as Data was by the time Voyager got lost, even if years has passed, while their will to survive was proven on the episode they stared, further test would probably take some time and more to make it public. Besides, Data is famous for being as humanly as possible, the same reason why the Doctor isn't mentioned, since despite his appearance, his physiology is very different, being an hologram and all.
@schwarzerritter5724
7 жыл бұрын
+Michael Saumure Perhaps because it turned out Data's hypothesis regarding the Exocomps was wrong. From what I have seen in the episode, their behaviour could have been just the most efficient way to solve a problem.
@dipperjc
7 жыл бұрын
Well, the Exocomps aren't Federation members. 3947 specifically asked about *her* society.
@BritishCommentWriter
7 жыл бұрын
This IS B'elanna Torres we're talking about. If she literally can't identify shit WITH a tricorder, what makes you think she knows about the exocomps?
@Scripture-Man
7 жыл бұрын
B'Elanna could have mentioned Lore or Lal too. But she probably forgot, or didn't see every episode of TNG. She almost certainly didn't know about Juliana Tainer, Data's "mother".
@Lupinthe3rd.
7 жыл бұрын
3947 has been alive 150 years
@alonenjersey
7 жыл бұрын
The Robots' face reminds me of the chrome-face cops in THX-1138
@RADIXCHRISTUSMOLE
5 жыл бұрын
He reminds me of the robot in Fritz Lang’s 1927 silent movie, “Metropolis.”
@bramvanduijn8086
3 жыл бұрын
I knew I recognized it from somewhere! Wow, I haven't thought about that movie in more than a decade!
@alphanerd7221
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for being the only person to actually recognize the design. People are all over here saying Doctor Who and Styx like this wasn't an ancient design.
@leiaslizzy
11 ай бұрын
B'Elanna talking about Data had me bawling. It was so beautiful to watch 🥺❤️
@niceguy60
4 жыл бұрын
Actually Juliana Tainer is the most advanced Soong-type android
@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat
4 жыл бұрын
Don’t think that was public knowledge
@bemasaberwyn55
4 жыл бұрын
Till Maddox does his masterpiece
@julianhart2247
3 жыл бұрын
Going deep bro
@williamjameslehy1341
7 жыл бұрын
How do I not remember this episode? Those creepy, dead eyes don't seem like something I'd forget.
@goteamdefense
7 жыл бұрын
You nailed it with the dead eyes. If you watch this episode, these androids end being , well let's just say it didn't end well for the builders.
@Innomen
7 жыл бұрын
You forgot because they invariably wimp out and by the end of the episode everything is back to boring old normal again.
@histguy101
7 жыл бұрын
+Brandon “Innomen” Sergent I thought the robots destroyed each other
@Hei_Darkfire
Жыл бұрын
I would have loved to see a robot like this meet Data. It feels like Data didn't really get a lot of other robots to interact with, and when he did, most of them weren't sentient. I could just imagine the two talking and just going full robot mode with their speech, both being able to understand each other in ways that the other humans couldn't.
@eveillanderson
5 жыл бұрын
she's my favorite - people cry so much but, seriously there's no crying in The Delta Quadrant
@nicolasflamm
4 жыл бұрын
"Oh, crap, I forgot today was the robot episode shooting. Quick, go to any store, buy a plastic mask! You, give me your jacket!"
@alphanerd7221
Жыл бұрын
It's a well written tell. These robots are designed for war so their human interface would be minimal.
@bluemonkeyball67
7 жыл бұрын
He sounds like Dr. Theopolis from Buck Rogers.
@jerobriggs6861
7 жыл бұрын
OMG, he does!
@GeneralG1810
7 жыл бұрын
OMFG you're showing your age there buddy, I loved Tweeky too
@maxheadroom3839
6 жыл бұрын
Your right :).
@debbienpeters
5 жыл бұрын
Buck Rodgers is on Comet TV, so not really showing age.
@jimkid1392
5 жыл бұрын
@@debbienpeters Well if I had to guess, I'd say they remember it from the original showing. Because...I've never heard of Comet TV.
@ennius42
6 жыл бұрын
B’elanna is very kind in this scene.
@BJovanovic1987
3 жыл бұрын
B'elanna is so damn cute!
@BuzzKirill3D
8 жыл бұрын
Did they borrow a TOS android costume or something? Thing's cheezy as fuck even by Star Trek standards
@saquist
8 жыл бұрын
+BuzzKill True to your name.
@BuzzKirill3D
8 жыл бұрын
saquist I try.
@danwat1234
8 жыл бұрын
+BuzzKill Cheese and sex do not go well together. I agree the costume is a bit too tin manny
@BuzzKirill3D
7 жыл бұрын
fctiger74 I see. Thanks for the insight.
@jakep1979
7 жыл бұрын
I would never invite you to my birthday cause you will be the one saying "one year closer to death!"
@gw7624
7 жыл бұрын
Dang... gotta watch the whole episode now.
@mentor397
8 жыл бұрын
I liked the reference to Johnny Five. Great stuff.
@22steve5150
6 жыл бұрын
Jesus dude, look up two movies, "Short Circuit", and "Short Circuit 2".
@DrewLSsix
6 жыл бұрын
22steve5150. Gave me existential nightmares as a kid.
@WaffeHo
6 жыл бұрын
Jared said, and smiled in his special way
@jscar06
6 жыл бұрын
JARED BARATTA I see what you did there. 🤣
@dragonsword7370
6 жыл бұрын
That arm on the table was a good call back. I wonder if the movies had any producers or technical engineers that later witness on star trek.
@HeKnowsNotForever
4 жыл бұрын
B’elanna should be Star Trek: Picard. I wonder about the rest of her story after Voyager got back.
@sillysausage4549
3 жыл бұрын
She ditched Tom and became a lesbian
@guyplus3053
3 жыл бұрын
@@sillysausage4549 actually, that's what happened to 7 and Chakotay.
@ProfessorArt1
2 жыл бұрын
@@guyplus3053 That whole relationship in general was forced, " uhm, we need seven to get with somebody to show her humanity it's the last few episodes just pick someone"
@christianriddler5063
Жыл бұрын
@@sillysausage4549 No
@christianriddler5063
Жыл бұрын
@@guyplus3053 No
@andrewblanchard2537
6 жыл бұрын
150 years after their builders were destroyed they kept fighting
@XDanW91
8 жыл бұрын
How wild would it be though if it had been the enterprise that encountered these robots though? Would have loved to see how Data would react to them and vice versa
@dbonomo123
8 жыл бұрын
no love for Lore :(
@jameswasil
8 жыл бұрын
+dbonomo123 or B4 (who may have come after chronologically, but still!)
@romax3115
8 жыл бұрын
+dbonomo123 nor the tiny microscopic robotic colony that wesley build
@kuribo1
8 жыл бұрын
+dbonomo123 Nor the servocomps that Data fought for and begrudgingly were acknowledged to be sentient.
@marcduperron6062
8 жыл бұрын
+dbonomo123 Data's daughter.
@kuribo1
8 жыл бұрын
Marc Duperron Sadly does not count because does not exist as it were any longer.
@xanderfulton3186
6 ай бұрын
Is it just me or is there a subtle level of awe and admiration when Belanna speaks about Data?
@jerobriggs6861
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this video as well as naming the episode it's taken from. I don't think I've seen this episode, but your video has sparked my interests. I'm going to have to check it out now.
@rsbandbj1
7 жыл бұрын
From Star Trek voyager prototype. Season 2 episode 13.
@Cofe82
3 жыл бұрын
Both Data and The Doctor are artificial lifeforms- this episode aired when Voyager's crew have already accepted their Emergency Medical Holgraphic Program as part of the crew. But the unit asked more specifically if the artificial life forms are similar to their own. So it would lend to a response related to robotic artificial lifeforms... like data. She kinda hinted at Exocomps tho.
@alphanerd7221
Жыл бұрын
The doctor isn't an artificial lifeform.
@chrlpolk
Жыл бұрын
The doctor is a computer program given from by holographic lighting. Wherever “he is”, his existence is actually entirely still within the ship’s computer.
@Robocop22100
5 жыл бұрын
Has anyone noticed seven seconds into the video it shows a bunch of robotic parts laying on the table? The three fingered hand it shows belongs to Johnny 5 from Short circuit. I'm sure of it. It's identical. It might even be from the same props.
@taffetatwist2194
5 жыл бұрын
Came here to see if anyone else had noticed^^
@Dragondave17real
5 жыл бұрын
yep
@eswnl1
Жыл бұрын
I like when she mentions about wearing the same uniform as him. A strong hint that she's talking about Data.
@williammyers9779
8 жыл бұрын
After a few days her general knowledge exceeded the robot maker of robots. No one should under-estimate her zeel for knowledge and her love of robotics.
@bazzatheblue
5 жыл бұрын
Kryten is my favourite talking robot.
@AndrewChapman
3 жыл бұрын
Smeeee... Smeeee HEEEEEEEE!!!!
@ScientistCat
8 жыл бұрын
The Doctor is also a sentient artificial lifeform, and his shipmates at least treat him as their equal. I always found it weird that the writers forgot about him, and the actress didn't catch up on the mistake when saying her line either.
@vegetarianvamp101
8 жыл бұрын
+ScientistCat I think I thought about that too when I watched the episode, but maybe B'Elanna was more talking about mechanical lifeforms like Data and the guy she's talking to and putting the Doctor in a separate category since he's a hologram
@ScientistCat
8 жыл бұрын
vegetarianvamp101 Perhaps, though she doesn't mention that. She only refers to the APU's cognitive level. Sounds more like a writing error than continuity, then. (Or you could excuse it by saying B'Elanna was focused too hard on her work and didn't realize her mistake.)
@ScientistCat
7 жыл бұрын
fctiger74 While I agree with most of that, it's the level of cognition that she mentions (sorry if I sound like I'm repeating myself here); neither of them says a word about physical body. Besides, if I remember right, the Doctor was already being seen as his own person by the time this episode aired... which made B'Elanna's error all the more glaring to me when I first watched it.
@chrlpolk
Жыл бұрын
The Doctor is not a form. What you see is a hologram. Everything about the Doctor exists as a program inside the sip’s computer. Wherever “he is” is merely an illusion.
@metsrus
5 жыл бұрын
Data is a legend in the Alpha Quadrant
@kendallrivers1119
3 жыл бұрын
The Doctor wasn't considered sentinent by the crew at this point that's why Be'lanna didn't mention him. The Doctor truly started to evolve in the third season and he just kept growing up until the very end. One of the best character arcs I've ever seen. Data and Seven of Nine come second and third.
@alphanerd7221
Жыл бұрын
He's also not a machine.
@shadizersilverhand2113
6 ай бұрын
@@alphanerd7221 as a hologram the entire intelligence of the Doctor runs on a machine, so yes he's a machine with the hologram simply the projection of him for interacting with the physical world.
@alphanerd7221
6 ай бұрын
@@shadizersilverhand2113 Wrong. He's a program. Which machine he's on is never part of his identity. The Doctor's program exists on half a dozen machines throughout the show and he never becomes a new person.
@shadizersilverhand2113
6 ай бұрын
@@alphanerd7221 he's a program THAT REQUIRES A MACHINE TO RUN ON. Yes of course he doesn't change when his physical body (the machine) changes because the program contains his identity but he can't exist without the machine to run on.
@alphanerd7221
6 ай бұрын
@@shadizersilverhand2113 Putting irrelevant things in capitol letters doesn't change the fact that you lost this argument. I can't exist without air. That doesn't mean air is part of me.
@LordGeorgeRodney
5 жыл бұрын
it's LEGION from Red Dwarf!
@AndrewChapman
4 жыл бұрын
RIMMER: Now this three-dimensional sculpture in particular is quite exquisite. Its simplicity, it's bold, stark lines. Pray, what do you call it? LEGION: The light switch. RIMMER: The light switch? LEGION: Yes. RIMMER: I couldn't buy it, then? LEGION: Not really. I need it to turn the lights on and off.
@odysseusrex5908
5 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Wouldn't Voyager's Emergency Medical Hologram constitute a sentient artificial life form by this point? I always thought their very gradual development of the doctor, from little more than an automaton to a fully realized sentient being, was one of the best things about this show.
@shadowforge
Жыл бұрын
friendly reminder this is the show that fired more than 4 times the amount of torpedoes than the ship could have ever carried and launched 3 times as many shuttle craft.... they couldn't give a shit less about that kind of thing
@TheOneTheyCallDean
Жыл бұрын
@@shadowforge Haha 🌎✨ ^^
@alphanerd7221
Жыл бұрын
No. A program could never be a life form. It has no form.
@alphanerd7221
Жыл бұрын
@@shadowforge No. That is a common ignorant criticism of the show. They bought new warheads and manufactured new shuttlecraft. The show was clear about this. You just didn't pay attention.
@TheOneTheyCallDean
Жыл бұрын
@@alphanerd7221 That's because they aren't merely programs and algorithms my friend. They are consciousness. Just like us. Only our vessels and abilities/life purposes are different. This is something that many of us will discover in the years to come. Stay blessed and keep your head up dear brother. 🌎✨
@sedonaz
Жыл бұрын
He's been alive for 150 years.
@Steve-ou8nw
3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of how good the writing used to be on Voyager. I miss it.
@TheStapleGunKid
4 жыл бұрын
This robot race had to be the inspiration for Kaylon in the Orville series. There are just too many similarities.
@Fosteringcat
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing
@itchyisvegeta
5 жыл бұрын
Don't forget about the Exocomps.
@ZuluRomeo
3 жыл бұрын
At that time I'm not sure how much B'Elanna would have known about the Exocomps before she got booted to the Delta Quadrant. But they eventually got their opportunity to take part in Federation society a decade or so later.
@hypnometal
8 жыл бұрын
Wow, I forgot about this clip. They really did mention Data by name! :-D
@philwood5288
5 жыл бұрын
This episode is an example of why the Prime Directive exists.
@christophercrawford8237
5 жыл бұрын
So, one thing I never understood. Data is presented throughout TNG as this incredibly advanced artificial life form, so much so that no one could reproduce the technology used in his positronic brain (he tried once with Lal, who malfunctioned and was irreparably damaged shortly after activation). Then Voyager comes a long with the EMH, who becomes a fully functioning, integrated part of the crew, who from all appearances is at least as sophisticated as Data, just lacking a physical form. So, when asked about artificial life forms, why does B'ellana mention Data but not the Doctor. Why isn't he considered an artificial life form?
@alaron5698
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, they were never consistent in this regard. The same can be said of Vic Fontaine from DS9 and of Moriarty from TNG. You could also see that even the unevolved versions of the EMH seemed unhappy toiling in mines. I suppose one could rationalize it as prejudice displayed by the crew, but I suspect it's just bad writing/lacking philosophical sophistication when dealing with the problem of artificial intelligence.
@alphanerd7221
Жыл бұрын
The doctor is just a hologram. He literally has no form.
@andrewblanchard2537
6 жыл бұрын
THE KRAYLOR they are a race in the episode NIGHTINGALE
@fadetoblack1026
4 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure his builders were the Praylor.
@skynetprime82
Жыл бұрын
I had such a crush on B'Elanna back then, it was mostly her eyes and her lips that sold me ❤️
@shellyandjohncourtade8269
Жыл бұрын
i think it is cool that at the very beginning, and throughout, the clip, you can see Johnny 5's hand on the work bench.
@blackalpha007
5 жыл бұрын
Based on the parts I recognize, they literally disassembled Johnny 5.
@romeovf
5 жыл бұрын
He talks like Isaac from The Orville hehe
@TheOncomingBrows
5 жыл бұрын
Romeo Vásquez and data
@carolj.davidson8051
3 жыл бұрын
I told the commander We are not enemys. I would bever be your enemy.
@harvey2906
Жыл бұрын
DS9 and Voyager are the best Spin - offs of Star Trek.💪
@brianberthold3118
8 жыл бұрын
ROFL was that a johnny 5 hand at the start of the vid?
@Unplanted
7 жыл бұрын
Good catch! It sure looks like it. I wonder if it is a real prop from the movies or if they recreated one as a homage. :)
@Gh0sTlyD3th
7 жыл бұрын
It looks like one of the puppet prop arms. Where you would see the arm on camera doing things but not the whole robot. It looks legit though. Wonder why CBS has it though...
@monopalle5768
7 жыл бұрын
That ALWAYS bothered me... I hate when I see contemporary earth tech in sci-fi movies and shows....
@TheSuperfrazer
5 жыл бұрын
Johnny 5 is alive
@TheSuperfrazer
5 жыл бұрын
Definitely looks the same
@redbuttonmatt
4 жыл бұрын
Anyone else catch the "johnny 5" hand on the bench?
@YumYum820
4 жыл бұрын
Johnny 5 is Canon in STU
@RCaIabraro
5 жыл бұрын
This was one of the best episodes of Voyager. It is reminiscent of the Doctor Who episode "Robots of Death"
@danpurdy32
3 жыл бұрын
In the opening pan shot, the hand prop with the blue joints is Johnny 5's hand (or another of the NOVA robots) from Short Circuit.
@mortarmopp3919
5 жыл бұрын
Notice the large "fingers" at the beginning? That's from Short Circuit.
@kvmairforce
5 жыл бұрын
good catch
@SMFFL100
7 жыл бұрын
short circuit nova robotics hand at the beginning.
@Moviefan2k4
7 жыл бұрын
"Nova Robotics, disassemble make dead, disassemble Number Five, dead."
@tarrker
Жыл бұрын
Great episode. I remember getting mad at the foreshadowing for letting me know about the twist. LoL :)
@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat
4 жыл бұрын
I watched all of this and I have no memory of this episode, then again I saw half of the last episode thinking it was mid season, only to watch it and say I’ve seen this the whole time
@bluescluessuperagent
4 жыл бұрын
"same as any human" sorta feels weird in Star Trek with all it's species and being spoken by someone who is half human
@Seven35888
2 жыл бұрын
Yea , she could’ve said “same as any biological lifeform”
@alphanerd7221
Жыл бұрын
@@Seven35888 But that wouldn't be accurate.
@Seven35888
Жыл бұрын
@@alphanerd7221 how so?
@alphanerd7221
Жыл бұрын
@@Seven35888 How about because cockroaches and the corona virus are biological life forms?
@lionn420
4 жыл бұрын
the production crew must have watched metropolis before creating the humanoid artificial life form in this scene......it's face is heavily influenced by the robot in that movie
@NINacide
Жыл бұрын
Lore is sitting in the background watching and grimacing about how convenient it is when they forget about him and his plans.
@crashkey
Жыл бұрын
"I would like to be acquainted with this Data" *Silence* Bro Data got no time for you.
@Asher_Tye
6 жыл бұрын
Technically wouldn't Lore bump that number up to 2?
@samuellawrencesbookclub8250
5 жыл бұрын
This takes place a while after Lore's destruction in 'TNG: Descent, Part II' and Data's 'evil' brother isn't well known.
@mytube9182
3 жыл бұрын
The most often hurt bad character in Star Trek universe. She even had her beating heart gripped and squeezed from inside by a terrorizing hologram once. The director must have hated her.
@patrickandrews8714
Жыл бұрын
We had some really attempted well planned Star Trek writing; that made sure that the lives of some of our favorite characters never intersect in the present story lines. That Voyager episode made Data a mere reference for B'lana who never met him or needed to in the vast multiple worlds world of Star Trek. Also, writers resisted an appearance or communication of Piccard characters with Janeway and other Voyager characters other than the involved Seven of Nine!
@gandalfshakur8235
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome addition to this space
@dragon-tamer7956
5 жыл бұрын
*Why can I see Johnny 5's fingers?*
@iblackfeathers
4 жыл бұрын
cliffhanger: does the sentient unit send her flowers after that?
@Fidi987
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, he almost did, at one point, he intended to send flowers for her funeral but then found out it was too premature. He didn't however verse his intentions on screen.
@thomasparsons4871
5 жыл бұрын
0:07 Isn’t that No. 5’s hand, from the movie “Short Circuit”?
@yaburu
3 жыл бұрын
I went ahead and did the math on a whim. 3947 has been active for 150 years.
@U2QuoZepplin
7 жыл бұрын
We know he's fully functional thanks to his encounter with Tasha Yarr.... hey-hey.
@IrishCarney
3 жыл бұрын
He can't use contractions when he talks but he can make Tasha have contractions all night
@GraemePryce1978
7 жыл бұрын
I remember really liking this episode but it was a bit of a shame that the robots were so cringey looking. They reminded me of Dr Who effects from the 80's. They might have pulled it off better if they just made them look like machines with different appendages for different uses etc, like the medical droids in Star Wars. I suppose the budget was to blame.
@RalphReagan
5 жыл бұрын
I thought similar
@celestialsalamander
3 жыл бұрын
I think it would have been enough if they had simply had the from and back parts of the head actually line up. That gap, it's like why?
@GraemePryce1978
3 жыл бұрын
@@celestialsalamander Fair point. I liked the voices.
@banananotebook3331
Жыл бұрын
This episode had such strong Frankenstein undertones. Plunging a knife into the new prototype, which gives the race the ability to reproduce, is a concept that is very similar to Mary Shelley's monster and Frankenstein destroying the female monster.
@doctordeathdefying132
4 жыл бұрын
I was watching this scene and she started talking about Data and I screamed like a little girl.
@stevenclark2188
5 жыл бұрын
2 questions: A: Why does she have Johnny 5's hand? B: How did the props department get Johnny 5's hand?
@machbauer132
5 жыл бұрын
I saw the series 3x times, but I just saw it NOW!
@SuperSaiyanAl
7 жыл бұрын
"I would like to be acquainted with this 'Data.'" In that moment, 39 became the show's avatar for anyone who had to slog through the first few seasons of Voyager.
@tibbar20111987
5 жыл бұрын
"I belive it will" This one sentence is pure gold 😐
@travisnewberry936
4 ай бұрын
It would have been so awesome if Brent Spiner guest starred in a later episode as Data, learning about this incident.
@eXcommunicate1979
7 жыл бұрын
Is that Brent Spiner's voice?
@jaredc304
5 жыл бұрын
No, it's an actor named Rick Worthy. memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/3947
@alexrozenbom3430
4 жыл бұрын
@@jaredc304 Thanks for the answer. It sounds exactly like Brent Spiner. I trust you.
@VwapTrader
4 жыл бұрын
Alex Rozenbom Gay. Outside of unique situations, no straight man says to another man, “I trust you”. Smh. If you aren’t straight, I get it. But if you are straight, be cognizant of how you speak.
@joet5079
4 жыл бұрын
Vwap Trader2019 so you’re a monster.
@VwapTrader
4 жыл бұрын
Joe T Butt out of this (pun fully intended, Gaylord).
@marcduperron6062
8 жыл бұрын
That is the uptime in Unix: # uptime At 1:00 I have been in service 1,314,807 hours and 33 minutes. At 1:00 That is 149.98939 years and 33 minutes. A non-advised person would say: 150.09212 years.
@AegisNova
8 жыл бұрын
Nice.
@mulberryman1305
8 жыл бұрын
I would just round up to 150, very few things need yo be that precise
@blockmasterscott
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing the math on that, I was wondering how long that was lol.
@bagoplayer7455
4 жыл бұрын
The format of this video is .wmv for anyone curious
@thevoyager2382
5 жыл бұрын
Prototype is from Season 2, episode 13.
@sauercrowder
8 жыл бұрын
"Can your artificial life forms make use of contractions?"
@Chrissummerill
6 жыл бұрын
sauercrowder are their beards an affectation?
@bobgunner3086
4 жыл бұрын
NO THEY CAN'T ... DON'T EVEN TRY!
@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat
4 жыл бұрын
I always found that stupid, capable of writing new subroutines and such for himself, still can’t simply change the way he says things.
@o3_o3_28
4 жыл бұрын
+FTLghost It’s an easy tool for the writers to make people feel like the person speaking is artificial.
@Scipio488
4 жыл бұрын
@@bobgunner3086 NICE reference.
@waveman0
5 жыл бұрын
that's sapient not sentient. Sentience is the ability to think (which most life forms can do in one manner or another) sapience is the ability to think and act using knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense and insight., and there are only a few lifeforms on Earth that are capable of that, homo sapiens being the most obvious, but whales and dolphins are also thought to be sapient, as well as a couple other species.
@samuellawrencesbookclub8250
5 жыл бұрын
Star Trek frequently does this - confusing sentience and sapience. It's done it so much that, at this point, in the Trek franchise, sentience=sapience and it'd be off if they actually corrected this oversight. It is something we just have to accept, and make flimsy explanations for - for example the 'maybe the definition has just changed over the centuries' debate
@Bacxaber
5 жыл бұрын
@Corvyn Star Wars does it too. "Hello, fellow sentient" is a common greeting.
@EvilMariobot
Ай бұрын
"He wears the same uniform I do." Meanwhile, Data rocking the new movie-style uniform.
@oldworldobserver
2 жыл бұрын
I like how the file extension is left in the title 😆 nice clip!
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