The bad idea isn't the heatsinks, but that they made these Gen 5 SSD that require major cooling to just run without "exploding", especially as the majority of users are not tech savvy and having to cool the SSD will be a new thing.
@__aceofspades
Жыл бұрын
Its dumb anyways, because the insane sequential speeds these offer are not ever going to be used by 99.99% of buyers. People need faster random reads, which is useful for near every task, not faster sequential which is only useful for moving massive files 50GB+ files, we've already had the ability to move big files plenty quick for years, like a Gen5 SSD could move a single 50GB file in say 5 seconds, while Gen4 can only do it in 6 seconds.
@handyman1957
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the exact same thing. That thing puts out so much heat that literately everything including the massive fan only lasted around 10 minutes before getting to hot : ( Pretty soon, your computer will need a chiller and a dedicated 30 amp circuit just to run. It sure does seem like efficiency is loosing the battle here.
@Lady_Zenith
Жыл бұрын
The problem is that M.2 ever became a mainstream thing in desktop. It was originally laptop format. Ind desktop the logic was to use Sata-express or U.2 directly. The M.2 drives, with their zero cooling and the way they are usually installed (under graphics card, in dead zone with no airflow between the GPU and CPU, etc.), its just all wrong. I personally adapted all the M.2 slots to U.2 connectors are replaced all this consumer crap with industrial U.2 drives and problem solved.
@jgvtc559
Жыл бұрын
@@__aceofspadeswhat's the best m.2 then ?
@MsHojat
Жыл бұрын
Especially with the already flaky/questionable reliability/longevity of SSDs that didn't even get hot. We were promised so much more reliability and longevity with SSDs over HDDS, but it really doesn't seem much or any better.
@Deses
Жыл бұрын
They are doing Gen5 SSDs wrong. We don't need more speed, they should use half the pci lanes for the same speed as a Gen4 ssd. We could have more m.2 slots with the same amount of lanes used.
@Thisandthat8908
Жыл бұрын
maybe we coudl start stacking them like hard disk ... disks. For mor capacity.
@AutodidactEngineer
Жыл бұрын
@@Thisandthat8908not a bad idea
@AlfaPro1337
Жыл бұрын
I still wonder who need more speed? I need a very high capacity SSD for back-up and archiving. They should stop restricting themselves to M.2. There's 2.5/3.5 inch using U.2 or the newer U.3. I need 16TB SSD.
@Mtojay
Жыл бұрын
@@AlfaPro1337 100% i want an ssd nas with 2 to 4 16tb ssds. 2.5inch ssds is a formfactor sweetsport for me. i dont mind the sata and satapowerplug.
@AKAtheA
Жыл бұрын
@@AlfaPro1337 U.2 is just a connector, but U.3 requires a pricey controller that can do SATA, SAS *and* NVMe...
@eivis13
Жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if the 2 coolers that looked quite decent (the red one and the dual heat pipe one) had old or too thick thermal pads. I'd retest them with something decent with a thickness of 0.5mm. Also, just an idea, but the red one might not have any fins under the plate since there is an lcd/oled there.
@themusesquad8554
Жыл бұрын
With all SSD they should really say what is the continues speed after like 30 minutes. After the cache and over heating is done. Cause showing only peak speed doesn't give you the real performance.
@maestrohun
Жыл бұрын
What are you doing with 12GB/sec speed for 1800 seconds on a 2000GB drive? :) Are you boring?
@someguy4915
Жыл бұрын
@@maestrohun What are you doing 12GB/s anyway? You have two PCIe Gen 5 SSDs and are just copying 20GB files from one to the other all day long? This is why peak sequential read/write is useless as a measurement of performance. This SSD will overheat while idling, causing the system to crash, so over an hour its performance is: 0MB/s...But for a few seconds it can show 12GB/s in the benchmark tool, so that looks cool... It's like saying this new Volkswagen can do 400KM/h. Yeah but is it safe, nice to drive, do the groceries and whatever fit in the boot? Can I actually use it?
@themusesquad8554
Жыл бұрын
@@maestrohun I download lots of p0rn 😁
@jozsiolah1435
Жыл бұрын
I don’t have an Ssd, but this method works for pendrives to fully reduce the heat: connecting to a Samsung OTG cable, and to set the phone to standby. Also works with cards inserted into card reader. After this, if you connect it to a Windows Pc, and if you copy some gb files such as videos within the card, into other folders. That speeds up the drive, no failure will happen. The copying sets up the real mb/s of the card. So if an sd card is advertised at 50 mb/s, the copying sets up its 4 mb/s copying speed for example 4 gb sd card. The setup dramatically reduces the heat.
@youtubasoarus
Жыл бұрын
It is fucking bananas how hot these controllers get (on pretty much all SSDs). What the hell. Problem also is the controllers are packaged in plastic and have no metal interface to wick the heat out properly. So for most users the nominal use case is going to be it running at half speed pretty much 99% of the time.
@danknemez
Жыл бұрын
Very nice (and fun) testing! One thing I want to point out is that with the motherboard built-in heatsink, you are testing it with the GPU idle and on an open bench, so it will likely hit near 75-80°C even idling when playing a game on the GPU (I'm seeing similar behavior on my X570S board with gen4), so if you load it up alongside the GPU, it will definitely throttle. IMO these things are still a generation or two worth of refinements away from general viability... even gen4 isnt quite low power enough to just "slap anywhere and it will be fine".
@Rockport1911
Жыл бұрын
Another thing to add into the custom waterlopp :) Seriously you showed that no cooling makes too hot to run and even shutting the system off. Many people without proper airflow over the motherborad wont be able to run this ( a " fancy" motherboard with SSD coolingpads is necessary). If the SSD doesnt fit onto the motherboard without proper cooling maybe we go back to mount them externally with riser cables or something. I dont need more speed if that much heat comes with it, Gen4 is fine by me...
@Kapono5150
Жыл бұрын
I can’t think of any situation where I needed anything more than a 980 Pro SSD.
@MsNikolov1
Жыл бұрын
Good video again. I think, that sticker over the chips, might cause poor thermal transfer. And here is my idea, the manufacturer, can make those stickers like thermal pads style, with some thermal conductivity, or just remove them and change the type of labeling.
@ChrisRamseyer
Жыл бұрын
All current PCIe 5 SSDs shipping today were designed to be used with a cooler. If you look at the documentation it clearly states use the drive with the motherboards heatsink. The drives shipping without a heatsink are for users that have motherboards that include a cooling solution.
@jeremymcguire7069
Жыл бұрын
This is a big challenge. Mounting pressure, clearance, performance, and compatibility will all be difficult. I'm looking forward to seeing what you develop for Gen 5 ssd cooling.
Ah the temp reading on that heat sink seemed to have found the kid in you ha ha. It's a nice touch for sure. By the way I used copper shims with thermal grizzly & a cut up back plate from an old GPU to cool mines & it does a great job!
@N0N0111
Жыл бұрын
der8auer's AliExpress test series are the best, even LTT can't come near the quality and knowledge.
@CrazyBlueTv
Жыл бұрын
Makes me appreciate my SATA SSDs, glued together against a PSU in an ITX case they did not overheat
@ChadLuciano
Жыл бұрын
just way slower though...so fail....gluing ssd's.....hahahaa
@binhnguyenthanh9011
Жыл бұрын
I tried removing this heatsink (Natural cooling disk), when you turn on the fan, in the lower position of the fan's shaft is the fan control board, it causes heat and radiates heat out, actually this little fan is not needed. , circuit board display. The temperature display and the sensor are located quite far away, so the results may not be accurate compared to the crystal software
@alt5494
Жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to test running a thick thermal pad on top of the drive to a rtx founders metal shroud. Should make a incredible heatsink.
@EinSwitzer
Жыл бұрын
Silicon Teflon brush it on and leave it in the sun until you see the plastics appearing wet then clean kinda keep it wet looking put it together and use it , should have no throttle issues chip wise
@mcwolfbeast
Жыл бұрын
The fact that these things exist to begin with means to me that there's a serious design flaw in Gen 5 M.2 SSDs they shouldn't get this hot to begin with.
@someguy4915
Жыл бұрын
Just basic physics, the same as how your CPU heats up if used without a heatsink. Don't forget we once had PCs without a heatsink. Then we had to start adding little heatsinks which over time had to be bigger and bigger as CPUs started consuming far more power.
@dyslectische
Жыл бұрын
Its the thermal pad what heat up and isolated it. That is the reason it hit 80 celcius on all coolers.
@andyvitz
Жыл бұрын
I would try flipping positive and negative so the fan goes in reverse and see if that makes it cooler
@der.Schtefan
Жыл бұрын
Couple of years ago I saw a video from LTT, that said that most SSDs actually like heat, because the hotter they are, the less damaging the SSD writes become.
@Yuki2204
Жыл бұрын
the NAND FLASH likes heat, The controller does not.
@Stefan-cf3fy
Жыл бұрын
Would be interesting if you retested a good M.2 cooler from the previous video's, like the Thermalright HR-09 PRO with the GEN 5 SSD.
@kroks06
Жыл бұрын
yes!! i bought this one after the review :) really good cooler
@NoBodysGamer
Жыл бұрын
The main issue is that he plugs into fan connector without setting it to run max RPM, we have no idea whats the rpm and it probably runs some low numbers not full speed how it supposed to be with these fans
@hotsecksi
Жыл бұрын
The Cat is the best bit of the video.
@soulshinobi
Жыл бұрын
The second cooler almost certainly doesn't have heat pipes, I had a similar one and it was actually just bent round copper bars
@scotttait2197
Жыл бұрын
Hey Roman, be curious to see the results with the supplied motherboard gen 5 heatsinks , I have a x670e taichi amd a arous master z790 both using gen 4 at the moment so supplied heatsinks not utilised yet
@typingcat
Жыл бұрын
I'm also mad that WD or Seagate don't add a fan to their external 3.5" HDD. I don't have an A.C., so when I try to copy files, the temperature goes above 60C.
@dracolnyte
Жыл бұрын
interested in that natural cooling one
@TechyBen
Жыл бұрын
I just had to get a heatsink for my NVME after switching from front to rear slot. PLUS put a thermal transfer to the case panel, as it's got no airflow, and gets REALLY hot. But now seems settled at making at 65 degrees, but thankfully around 50 normally (still not ideal, but could be worse).
@jeremytine
Жыл бұрын
Thermalright HR-09 heatpipe heat sink no fan on amazon for $11, keeps my samsung 980 pro @ 54c flash and 62c on a long benchmark. they also have a taller finstack pro version for about the same price.
@andrewvirtue5048
Жыл бұрын
I like my EK nvme cooler cause it came in green. But I like Sebrant's copper and black one too, its laying around somewhere. I mean, they've done what they were sold for, keeping my OS drive cooler. The Sabrent also has 3 heat pipes as well.
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting, also my FOMO feelings about buying a gen 4 mobo has disappeared.
@SPARTAN1990LIVE
Жыл бұрын
those fans look the same that go on the hobby wing esc for rc cars
@DCW_B63
Жыл бұрын
The default thermal pads are the main reason of faliure to achive the desired performance. You should use some good branded thermal pads by gelide or cooler master i think
@GoatzombieBubba
Жыл бұрын
Crucial/any selling them without heat-sinks is nice if your motherboard came with one. (MSI has one that goes on top)
@georgeindestructible
Жыл бұрын
These small fans with such big motors which leave such little room for the fan's fins to barely exist won't move enough air to get rid of it even if the heatsink is good and remember guys, in a passive setup, once a heatsink is saturated fully, it's just a hazard for the component it's on because if not actively cooled it will simply help cook that part faster instead.
@polishguywithhardtospellna8227
Жыл бұрын
Im surprised you didnt pick some proper old style radiators with big surface area fins and not fancy looking shait. Ali sells 2 types of tall fins radiators, orientated paralel or vertical, depending if user want to get some front case fan airflow or only natural hot air movement. They look much more promising than what you tested. However i guess nothing passive is keeping that ssd cool anyway.
@XtreeM_FaiL
Жыл бұрын
What is the point of tiny ssd if the cooler takes the space of 3 DVD drives.
@TriforceOfCourage97
Жыл бұрын
is this a problem? mine never go above 50 and I have no cooling except for the fans in the case and the active fan on the motherboard.
@catherinemorgan2741
Жыл бұрын
Doing same test as you, mine went up only 2 degrees
@kingjasko
Жыл бұрын
didnt nvme drives kinda benefit from running warm?
@bornagain2641
Жыл бұрын
water cool it. also in a casr thats closed mb hotter but most cases have fan airflow over it..
@themadatheist1976
Жыл бұрын
You should do a smoke test to see what type of airflow these things do. My gen 3 NVMEs are in my MSI GL65 Leopard so I'm limited to 3mm heatsinks.
@kelownatechkid
Жыл бұрын
Fewer lanes per ssd and more m.2 slots please.... come on manufacturers, get on it!
@ig33ku
Жыл бұрын
Here are some better looking ones that maybe will perform as you hope: Thermalright HR-09 2280/HR-09 2280 PRO, ORICO-M2HS8-FAN
@NovusDundus
Жыл бұрын
I'm hating that watercooling SSDs might be a thing in the not too distant future
@haukikannel
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@heyitsmejm4792
Жыл бұрын
not really.. i think the majority of people wants higher capacity M.2 and not speed (heater).. let the data centers have the faster ones.
@TensaZangetsu1200
Жыл бұрын
It's already a thing Corsair has blocks for SSDs
@DizConnected
Жыл бұрын
@@heyitsmejm4792 I want both but bring on the 30TB M.2 drives!
@N0N0111
Жыл бұрын
You should see what wonders a solid copper block does on top of an SSD.
@wilkgr
Жыл бұрын
That thermometer on the cooler is pretty dang cool, I absolutely dig it. Shame the heatsink itself is essentially useless.
@concinnus
Жыл бұрын
Well it's so inaccurate that it's clearly not tied to die sense. It's probably a thermocouple/thermistor on the HS hot side with an assumed offset -- like a forehead thermometer.
@DizConnected
Жыл бұрын
@@concinnus I think you are reading it wrong. The reading on the meter is taking the temperature from the heatsink and not as much from the SSD. You would want to see a much higher temperature on that readout if the heatsink were working correctly.
@concinnus
Жыл бұрын
@@DizConnected That's...what I was saying? My point is, it's not an especially useful measurement.
@wilkgr
Жыл бұрын
@@concinnus yeah that absolutely makes sense - it is useful for checking how the heat transfer is working and, assuming that's working, you'd see a rough approximation of the temp lol
@uhurunuru6609
Жыл бұрын
@@DizConnected Err no, if the heatsink is hotter than the SSD, it's just become the heat source, and the SSD is then the Heat Sink. Basic physics, heat flows from hottest part to coldest part.
@kazuviking
Жыл бұрын
That thermal pad is the bottleneck in the first cooler. That thermal pad was made for chips that never get hotter than 40c.
@buggerlugz6753
Жыл бұрын
yep, it'd be better with arctic silver.
@tylern6420
Жыл бұрын
sounds like phone chip type of thing as phone CPUs dont really go above 50C, likely just warning and shutting down if it somehow goes to like 60C
@kazuviking
Жыл бұрын
@@buggerlugz6753 Arctic silver is not a thermal pad. But 40W/mK graphite pads or even the 21W/mK would work wonders.
@approximatelybored
Жыл бұрын
Am I the only one concerned about the sticker on top of the components being a bottleneck?
@Pro_DRIFTZ
Жыл бұрын
@@approximatelybored most stickers on those drives are actually foil stickers helping thermal transfer atleast on decent drives
@PoRRasturvaT
Жыл бұрын
The fact the drive can't stay idle without running into temperature issues tells me that's where the problem is. How do you explain that with throttling, and back essentially to Gen 4 speeds, it is still at 80°C?
@Azuraken
Жыл бұрын
You should try idling your cpu and gpu without a heatsink
@BlackTone91
Жыл бұрын
You talk about open bench system with no airflow
@__aceofspades
Жыл бұрын
@@Azuraken Not all motherboards or M.2 slots have a heatsink though. Not all SSDs come with a heatsink either. This is fairly new territory for people, as 2.5" SSD's obviously never had heatsinks and a lot of gen 3 and gen 4 M.2 ones didnt need one either. Also M.2 will go into laptops and consoles that cant even have a heatsink.
@pollin522
Жыл бұрын
@@Azuraken You're comparing apples to oranges. CPUs and GPUs consume massively more power even at idle than NVME drives do, so they've always needed a heatsink. NVME drives have not *required* heatsinks in the past the way these Gen 5 NVME drives do. The idea of an idle NVME drive being so hot as to risk tripping a thermal cutoff is very much a new one.
@mikehawk6918
9 ай бұрын
@@pollin522 GPUs didn't have heat sinks in the beginning either. But as technology progressed and more power was needed to power them they got hotter. And current SSDs require more power than early heat sink GPUs but in a much smaller package.
@wafu6058
Жыл бұрын
You know what would really help? If there were m.2 adapter that propped the ssd sideways, I think it would open up cooling options and help cooling
@buggerlugz6753
Жыл бұрын
why didn't they build it that way? i mean how stupid of them.
@dragonsyph2557
Жыл бұрын
99% of ssds only have chips that get hot on 1 side.
@Ivan-pr7ku
Жыл бұрын
Make sure the controller chip on the M.2 board is making firm contact with the cooler surface. Usually the NAND chips are thicker and might prevent the cooler's surface reaching the controller chip, when applied with thinner thermal pad.
@AaronShenghao
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if there will be a difference when using something like Fan Control to ensure the fans are indeed running at 100%. Otherwise they might defailted to default 3-pin case fan setting
@rkan2
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think this was the case...
@snaj9989
Жыл бұрын
He could have just use a converter to power the fans off molex or sata so that they are always running at %100. I did that with some in my PC because motherboard use to run them too slow and fan control wasn't properly working with 3 pin fans.
@someguy4915
Жыл бұрын
3 pin fans don't have fan control beyond lowering their voltage. They have 12VDC, GND and tachometer pins, the last one being a signal that is generated by the fan to indicate the speed it is spinning at so the system knows whether a fan has failed or not.
@ChinoFarmer-v1w
Жыл бұрын
The difference between running the fan and not running it was minimal, I don't think a faster fan would change that.
@kain0m
Жыл бұрын
@@ChinoFarmer-v1wwell, if the fan is barely running, it won't make much of an impact...
@liaminwales
Жыл бұрын
For normal home use I dont see the point of faster than Gen 3 yet~ We kind of need better ways to split PCIE lanes out so we can add NVME like SATA today, Gen 4/5 drives split out to use 1PCIE lane each.
@maestrohun
Жыл бұрын
For normal home user SATA-3 600MB/s is also enough. Just look around a real world speed test on the internet hdd vs sata ssd vs pcie gen3 ssd. Few games have noticable advantage and few workloads thats it.
@angeltzepesh1
Жыл бұрын
@@maestrohuni agree with this statement, sata 3 is enough for pretty much everything that a gamer or a casual worker will need. I still use my 2,5" Intel 530 series SSD as boot drive, because there is literally a 1 second difference between that and my m.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus.
@liaminwales
Жыл бұрын
@@maestrohun We will hit the point NVME is cheaper than SATA, amazon has Crucial P3 1TB Gen3 drives for £35 & P3 Plus 1TB Gen4 for £44. That's on sale but still cheaper and faster than SATA drives.
@kain0m
Жыл бұрын
@@liaminwalesthat being said, the P3 is an awful SSD. It really doesn't matter which interface it uses if it just falls on its face during regular use (which the P3 does).
@__aceofspades
Жыл бұрын
Consumers need more random read speed improvements, which Optane was, they dont need sequential improvements that are only useful for people moving hundreds of Gigabytes of a single file around, like an 8k video.
@upyermaw2732
Жыл бұрын
There is one actually good m.2 cooler that worked well for me its the Thermalright HR-09 it has two heat pipes that go through an proper heatsink with fins. also If you want to have better temps remove any stickers from the m.2, coper or otherwise and replace with a nice thin thermal pad.
@marsovac
Жыл бұрын
Plugging a fan onto the motherboard defaults to the BIOS fan curve for that header, which most likely goes by CPU temp o chipset temp which were idling during testing. You probably never run those fans at full speed (and probably from this comes your wonder why were they quiet).
@GiJoe94
4 ай бұрын
Keep in mind those small fans usually have very short life anyway. So running them at 100% will kill them very fast
@EliranC
Жыл бұрын
The test is flawed, you didn't take into account the room temperature + you didn't configure your motherboard to which fan speed to set the fans in the bios, its literally depend on the voltage your MB send ... instead you kept plug/unplug the fans which was super cringe. As well it looked like your setup was horrible with the graphic card literally throwing heat on the M2 area, you had to use some small and cheap graphic card or use the on board graphic card (if available), clearly not that monster you put there .. but that's another story.
@PetreRodan
Жыл бұрын
great evolution. storage with moving parts -> no moving parts -> storage that gets so hot it needs moving parts
@rayoflight62
Жыл бұрын
These heatsinks seem made for the look. I'm sure the heat pipes aren't functional. They are meant to be made of pure copper, have a granular surface finish on the inside, and be under a precise-near vacuum where some water vapour is added. I doubt any of the functional parameters have been implemented there. Thanks for the video, and buy computer parts from reputable sources which know what they are selling and respect their customers...
@osiis
Жыл бұрын
Also for copper heat pipes to work properly there needs to be a temperature difference between evaporative and condensation zones. They seemed to be connected to top and bottom of the same aluminium extrusion which after the while will have equalized temperature distribution.
@djicode5146
Жыл бұрын
I would be very interested in seeing how these would perform with water-cooling in my ROG MAXIMUS Z690 EXTREME GLACIAL, which has a full coverage water block on the motherboard and a dedicated Alphacool NexXxoS Monsta 560mm Radiator with push pull and x8 Noctua NF-F12 iPPC 3000 PWM, Heavy Duty Cooling Fan, 4-Pin, 3000 RPM (120mm, Black) with a dedicated Aquacomputer ULTITUBE D5 200 PRO reservoir with D5 NEXT pump. Total overkill but it would be interesting to test.
@FinnishArmy
Жыл бұрын
I am curious as to what happens with temp when you remove the sticker. I have always removed the M.2 sticker for more direct contact to heatsinks, but became aware that some companies make the stickers infused with copper.
@jacquesmertens3369
Жыл бұрын
What a waste of time waffling on about cooling solutions. It's the SSD itself that is the problem. Normal idling temperature in a well ventilated case should be below 40° C, and not exceed 55° C under heavy load. Higher temperatures will degrade your SSD rapidly. You have bought a piece of badly designed piece of cr*p. It was a Crucial mistake.
@Cpt_Wolf
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'll stick to my gen 4 nvme, thank you very much. I do not need another oven radiating from my PC case, especially during the hot days in the summer. Funny thing is even the motherboard cooling solution is not good enough, which is big hunk of aluminium with heat pipes! Yikes!
@DJaquithFL
Жыл бұрын
Thought.. maybe you need a second channel to test Alibaba and similar junk, people's time is valuable. I would be interested in products that work and which one's best ... not garbage trinkets.
@L0rdEsedess
Жыл бұрын
I was Recently looking at Purchasing the Graugear Heatpipe Cooler...after this Review I'm glad I saved my Money and Passed on it.
@michaelthompson9798
Жыл бұрын
4:11 if you turn the temp lcd display around 180o …. The temp drops to 29oC 💪😇👍😅😂🤣😂😅😂🤣
@SianaGearz
Жыл бұрын
You know what I'd like to see? Liquid crystal thermometers being integrated into components. No power needed.
@pmf026
Жыл бұрын
EKWB had great NVMe heatsinks, simple yet effective design.
@blameusa7082
Жыл бұрын
Your test is Farked, i have made un unreleased video on the grauger and it cut my temps by over 25%. you haven't gone into bios and adjusted it correctly. Call your self an expert
@miha493
Жыл бұрын
At this point I think Gen 6 SSD would have 8 pin for extra power. You know, because we don't have enough heat.
@memespeech
Жыл бұрын
It's all just chunks of copper or aluminium either way, just not overpriced, unlike the branded ones.
@mateuszkwietowicz2470
Жыл бұрын
You should use the better working coolers from you previous vids on the Gen 5- also, not all motherboards have this huge heatshield like gigabyte does - if you have other motherboards - you should check out how the built in solution works there.
@quikspecv4d
Жыл бұрын
I’d like to see how the Alphacool pcie nvme waterblock performs
@richardmcgowan1651
Жыл бұрын
If you need a heatsink that badly just get a board with one already on it. Your case will proved the airflow on its own. If you think it looks cool go for it otherwise unless you are writing to the drive 24/7 you dont need one. Your OS on a regular SSD is perfectly fine.
@eternalbeing3339
Жыл бұрын
My thermaltake core p90 case is open. No airflow.
@hawkeyes4768
Жыл бұрын
i used the Graugear one, the pads are really bad , i swaped to a different one and it dose reduce temps alot i used it on a samsung 990 pro, and my temp read out was from Samsung magician that drive runs really hot
@Bluelagoonstudios
Жыл бұрын
For me, as content creator, these SSDs are necessary, especially when I render big music files, let's say like projects with 200 or more multitracks, sometimes even 400 tracks, if you have to mix a big orchestra, with different microphones in an opera, each actor has its own microphone. And all the instruments. A consumer SSD would throttle the whole time, that's why we use M2.nvme in Raid 0, with a realtime backup running in the background.
@someguy4915
Жыл бұрын
Why not just run it in RAM at that point?
@Bluelagoonstudios
Жыл бұрын
@@someguy4915 I'm already maxed out 128Gb, and already using SSD cache, but that is also limited. in my studio there is an Apple Pro, and this one also has problems with that many tracks. On many track are plugins loaded, these are recourses eaters. That means, when the system is saturated it uses HD' or in this case SSD's, that's why we love these gens 5 SSDs.
@someguy4915
Жыл бұрын
@@Bluelagoonstudios I guess with Apple you're limited with what they offer in terms of RAM yeah so then PCIe Gen 5 SSDs are the way to go. With Windows/Linux I'd say a 512GB RAM system isn't that much more expensive, assuming the content creation is a job so the RAM (or SSD) is just an investment to do your job faster and easier. But for any other situation, seeing these Gen 5 SSDs overheat while idling is ridiculous xD
@dragonsyph2557
Жыл бұрын
Are these actually throttling due to HEAT, or are they throttling due to filling up its cache or memory?
@sharpfang
Жыл бұрын
I suspect the heat pipes are purely decorative, no working liquid inside.
@freedomofmotion
Жыл бұрын
The one with heat pipes needs a shroud so the air can effect entire heatsink, it blows sideways almost immediately. I doubt it will make too much of a difference but still basic underrstanding of airflow should be applied to design.
@ivanalaskevich4736
Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the problem is not in the heat sink, but in the design of the ssd. A plastic cap on the chips, plus paper/plastic labels, plus a thermal pad - these are very large losses in thermal conductivity. Even water cooling will not help, at least the difference will not be so significant. I'm pretty sure the ssd doesn't produce enough heat to be dissipated by the aluminum heat sink with fan.
@techwolflupindo
8 ай бұрын
I remove those labels on my SSD stick before adding on a heat sink. It works well as a passive one. No throttling that I could tell.
@THISLOVETHISHATE99
Жыл бұрын
what do u expect when u run the fans close to there minimum speed thats why even those small fans are so quiet
@1NIGHTMAREGAMER
Жыл бұрын
gen 5 ssds are almost uncontrollable temp wise try a high end gen 4
@SpoonHurler
Жыл бұрын
Ali Express is just going to start shipping Gen 5 ice cubes at this point.
@arknia0891
Жыл бұрын
There's not one, not two, but three seven segment dispays on this ssd cooler. If motherboard manufacturers are to be believed, this ssd cooler costs at least $600 to produce.
@eliadbu
Жыл бұрын
a. motherboard manufactures are not to believed for almost everything. b. I don't think they ever claim that adding 2 seven segment displays cost too much, it's just their shameless way to up-sale you expensive boards. c. If we the consumers would demand 7 segment displays on cheaper boards, they can integrate it to 150$ boards.
@rustler08
Жыл бұрын
Pretty crazy to think that we've barely had to think about temps in the past, and now you want the best and even actively-cooled devices cannot keep up
@radugrigoras
Жыл бұрын
Stupid question perhaps, but how much of a difference would it make if you removed the stickers that are on the drive?
@novusparadium9430
Жыл бұрын
Just watercool it mate don't fuck with the warranty.
@negOshEAte
Жыл бұрын
You have to refresh Crystal disk to get the right reading
@elksalmon84
Жыл бұрын
I think first one is for Samsung SSDs, which is known for hot controllers. Its fan is right in usual place of controller. Samsung also have dedicated temperature sensor for controller. This Crucial likely just have one for memory.
@GrizzAxxemann
Жыл бұрын
My takeaway from this is water blocks.
@ThatWasAllme
Жыл бұрын
I like these type of videos. Why manufacturers sell these SSDs without a heatsink or a cooler is beyond me.
@kunka592
Жыл бұрын
Intel sells high-performance CPUs without any cooling solutions included as well, but this SSD cooling stuff might be a new concept for some people so I hope they label it very clearly if it requires additional cooling.
@leemaniac9091
Жыл бұрын
Gen.4 was really enough for anything.
@Sams911
Жыл бұрын
how well would the Gen 5 drives do in something like the ASUS ROG Hyper Expansion card like they include with their Maxims Hero mother boards?
@m.g.debruin8294
10 ай бұрын
It helps with my Apex motherboard with 3X intake 140 mm fans and one 140 mm fan blow from above.💨💨💨💨
@robainscough
Жыл бұрын
Buying anything from AliExpress is a bad idea, not sure why you do? On the plus side, it's where Russia gets all their "hi tech" goods from ... ROFL
@GS0CK6
Жыл бұрын
WOW! Gen 5 is hot hot hot! I guess Corsair had it right with the m.2 water cooling block. We made fun of it back then but now we need it.
@Alberos
Жыл бұрын
I think I don't need 12 GB/s transfer rate.... I would rather have my drive not to melt down during the IDLE operation please... Especially if I still can't tell the different in game load time between a SATA SSD and a gen 4 nvme. Also just switched my main OS drive to gen 4 and yep, can't tell the different between gen 3 and gen 4. Gen 3 is fine. SATA is also fine for a game only drive. PC hardware trend lately seems to be rather hot lol.
@gamesapp22
Жыл бұрын
How does it perform if heatsink thermal pad is touching nvme controller only & leave ssd chips untouched?
@LOLHoneybadger
2 ай бұрын
The design on the top M.2 cooler for the Gigabyte AORUS Master X670E board is how they need to do things for Gen 5 SSDs - on my Gen 4 drives, it idles 3-5C cooler than the M.2s I have under the main plate area down below (which has 3 drives under it, to be fair) and under load, it's a huge difference, 10-15C or more cooler than the ones under the plate below the GPU slot. Would be interesting to see results with a Gen 5 drive, but I have neither the need nor the money to get one at the moment lul
@ThomasWinders
4 ай бұрын
There must be some kind of a problem with the interface, or the component which is generating heat. Memory chip gets hot, but the controller is the component which heats up more. Even mosfets run cooler as soon as you apply any sort of heatsink to them, and they run even cooler when you add a fan to the equation. So I think that the problem there must be where the heat is produced and/or sampled...
@xavierjiang7112
Жыл бұрын
I actually bought a few of those tiny 20mm centrifugal fans. For cooling random electronics. They are better than nothing, but without any engineering in cooling fins it won't do much.
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