So does this officially debunk Ravenscroft's claim that he wrote the sax break? Sure, his contribution to the final release version was IMMENSE and absolutely cannot be understated, and he clearly gave the part the tone that became iconic, but the part is clearly here, close to fully formed. Great demo, by the way.
@simonbone
8 жыл бұрын
Either that, or Rafferty created or altered this demo later to assert authorship of the riff.
@DaveWhoa
7 жыл бұрын
why didn't Gerry debunk Ravenscroft's claim then?
@ArnoldVeeman
7 жыл бұрын
maybe because he knew of Steve Marcus's Half a Heart?
@MerkinMuffly
6 жыл бұрын
Yep
@daveowens271
6 жыл бұрын
Ravenscroft never said he authored the riff until after Gerry Rafferty died.
@ingfig1
3 жыл бұрын
This is an amazing demo song! Just Gerry on electric guitar and double-tracking his voice, and some electronic percussion accompaniment . I love to hear the pared down versions, the demo versions .. here we can hear the truly beautiful voice that Gerry used, pretty darn similar to the final official version .
@MerkinMuffly
6 жыл бұрын
So Raphael Ravenscroft lied when he said he came up with Baker's Street sax riff. Still, the guy has the best musician's name in history.
@chaunybuck6065
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah Gerry stole it from the song Half a heart from 1968
@ingfig1
3 жыл бұрын
@@chaunybuck6065 .. no Gerry did not steal anything from any other musician! Gerry was a prolific songwriter and lyricist, and he was for sure not short of inspiration - he wrote more than 100 songs. Other great musicians such as Eric Clapton and Sir Paul McCartney wanted to collaborate with Gerry because of his gift for song-writing, but Gerry preferred to work alone, after his ordeal with the band that he had co-founded (Stealers Wheel).. With the proliferation of music in the last century, the chances are that any two musicians might come up with similar runs, licks, melodies .. without ever having heard each other’s version! Some more Gerry Rafferty songs that you may have heard but didn’t know they were Gerry (Gerald) Rafferty songs: 1. Stuck In The Middle With You. … kzitem.info/news/bejne/p6Cl13aXkGiAgKA .. 2. Moonlight and Gold .. kzitem.info/news/bejne/jmOp2qprf4CJjag … 3. The Royal Mile … kzitem.info/news/bejne/k6OCx3x_iZWDdo4 … 4. Right Down The Line … kzitem.info/news/bejne/y4eYrp-lkZiZgn4 … 5. Winter’s Come … kzitem.info/news/bejne/25COwImbcpaElKQ … 6. Get It Right Next Time .. kzitem.info/news/bejne/tI6Nk6eCbpmre4Y … 7. Why Won’t You Talk To Me … kzitem.info/news/bejne/sI6Pn6F9imeCY3o … 8. Days Gone By … kzitem.info/news/bejne/qpVqumSZs4WBpZw … 9. The Ark. … kzitem.info/news/bejne/uIyMp5xubItpgno … 10. Don’t Close The Door .. kzitem.info/news/bejne/zJuil4R-qXqYiH4 … 11. It’s Easy To Talk … kzitem.info/news/bejne/pYF3y4aghKikrII … 12. Don’t Speak Of My Heart .. kzitem.info/news/bejne/xa2ruayvfH55goo ,,, 13. On A Night Like This …. kzitem.info/news/bejne/xW-p06dvomWJfIY … 14. Tired of Talking … kzitem.info/news/bejne/xZ59mKeEm5qglHY … 15. It’s Gonna Be A Long Night … kzitem.info/news/bejne/q4aB0WqohJGcqaQ … and many many many more!
@christiandavis2916
3 жыл бұрын
@@ingfig1 Anybody who writes more than 100 songs had some inspirations from other sources.
@ingfig1
3 жыл бұрын
@@christiandavis2916 “Anybody who writes more than 100 songs had inspirations from other sources.” In general I won’t disagree with you, altho “inspiration” does not equal “expropriation”. I do think it is possible for the song-writer to have been inspired exclusively by his/her own inner wells of inspiration and not from exterior sources. In Gerry’s case, some of his songs show some influence by the songs which were sung to him in his youth by his Scottish-Irish mother. But Gerry’s prolific song-writing did not come from copying anybody else - no way, he didn’t need to do that and IMHO if he were still here to face that accusation he would be both saddened and angered.
@steverogers2603
2 жыл бұрын
@@chaunybuck6065 debatable at best. A vague short resemblance, just a few notes.
@DavidGarcia-cq9wc
7 жыл бұрын
It's unreasonable to expect a songwriter to be a virtuoso at all the instruments that end up in the final version of the song. He knows guitars. He plays guitars. If the part sounds better on a sax, they use a sax on the finished version. This is just his way of recording what he hears in his head with the tools he his familiar with.
@ingfig1
4 жыл бұрын
Well said. Please see my reply to “ren hoek” above ..
@ingfig1
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I agree - Gerry never claimed to be an instrumentalist. He was primarily a singer of his own songs, and he put together a small group of musicians whom he could trust to deliver the instrumental perfection that he was known for. (Ravenscroft featured more often in that group after the raging success of Baker Street.) However, these musicians were paid as “session musicians” and so they were not always available to Gerry if they had prior commitments e.g. the live version of Baker Street where the lead guitar solo was hashed by a very inexperienced and young Julian Littman because of the unavailability of the guitarist from the studio recorded version, Hugh Burns. I do not give credibility to any of the claims that Gerry “stole” the melody from Half A Heart - Gerry did not steal anything from any other musician! Gerry was a prolific songwriter and lyricist, and he was for sure not short of inspiration - he wrote more than 100 songs. Other great musicians such as Eric Clapton and Sir Paul McCartney wanted to collaborate with Gerry because of his gift for song-writing, but Gerry preferred to work alone, after his ordeal with the band that he had co-founded (Stealers Wheel).. With the proliferation of music in the last century, the chances are that any two musicians might come up with similar runs, licks, melodies .. without ever having heard each other’s version! Some more great Gerry Rafferty songs: 1. Stuck In The Middle With You. … kzitem.info/news/bejne/p6Cl13aXkGiAgKA .. 2. Moonlight and Gold .. kzitem.info/news/bejne/jmOp2qprf4CJjag … 3. The Royal Mile … kzitem.info/news/bejne/k6OCx3x_iZWDdo4 … 4. Right Down The Line … kzitem.info/news/bejne/y4eYrp-lkZiZgn4 … 5. Winter’s Come … kzitem.info/news/bejne/25COwImbcpaElKQ … 6. Get It Right Next Time .. kzitem.info/news/bejne/tI6Nk6eCbpmre4Y … 7. Why Won’t You Talk To Me … kzitem.info/news/bejne/sI6Pn6F9imeCY3o … 8. Days Gone By … kzitem.info/news/bejne/qpVqumSZs4WBpZw … 9. The Ark. … kzitem.info/news/bejne/uIyMp5xubItpgno … 10. Don’t Close The Door .. kzitem.info/news/bejne/zJuil4R-qXqYiH4 … 11. It’s Easy To Talk … kzitem.info/news/bejne/pYF3y4aghKikrII … 12. Don’t Speak Of My Heart .. kzitem.info/news/bejne/xa2ruayvfH55goo ,,, 13. On A Night Like This …. kzitem.info/news/bejne/xW-p06dvomWJfIY … 14. Tired of Talking … kzitem.info/news/bejne/xZ59mKeEm5qglHY … 15. It’s Gonna Be A Long Night … kzitem.info/news/bejne/q4aB0WqohJGcqaQ … and many many many more!
@christiandavis2916
3 жыл бұрын
It's also a great way to assert credit for the melody (which Rafferty doesn't really deserve either, in this case) before you get someone else to play it.
@VultCult
10 жыл бұрын
Even in a demo form, that voice and the lyrics are there and they sound great.
@Daburcor
10 жыл бұрын
Agreed. This is actually pretty fantastic, in my opinion!
@johnauld4071
3 жыл бұрын
Very nice demo, it's like a chill out version of the song.
@brianlutz7813
2 жыл бұрын
Mr. Rafferty had an incredible voice.
@chadcollins6068
2 жыл бұрын
Never mind the sax part, it's clearly here to some degree and later elaborated on to great effect and skillfully played. What sticks out to me is the great guitar solo which is missing in it's entirety. That is another part of the song that gives it another dimension. The song is here complete but the final recording just became better with the talented musicians who played on it. That's always a blessing to the success of a great song.
@nadinekonig5622
7 жыл бұрын
Might be a demo but a DAMN GOOD ONE.
@rodlarsen4371
Жыл бұрын
Merci pour cette démo. C est vrai que le sax est génial. Mais cette démo est super précise. Gerry forever!!
@historyheadsbooks
Жыл бұрын
Hypnotic! I totally love this version. Sounds like Kurt Vile!
@kennethhannan6914
7 жыл бұрын
Everyone talks about the sax, but for me, just add the flute and the screaming guitar solo to this and I'm happy.
@mzmadmike
6 жыл бұрын
The "Flute" was a synth. You can see it on the official video.
@kevindenelsbeck7444
4 жыл бұрын
Everyone talks about the sax, and it's emblematic, but that guitar solo just takes the song into supernatural territory.
@nickbrown3020
5 жыл бұрын
This is why I love KZitem.
@innovativeinnovation6629
3 жыл бұрын
I wish Gerry had that same blend of his voice in the original. It sounds so good!
@HeartoftheDragonColo
8 жыл бұрын
Time sequence: (1) songwriter writes song; may have gaps in lyrics, problems with various parts of music. (2) songwriter plays demo with as much development as he has made so far. It may be nearly complete, it may be far from it. (3) songwriter receives input & perhaps other writers make sufficient contributions to be listed as co-writers. (4) producer makes changes in basic sound, such as instrumentation & backing vocals; possibly even timing and changes to order of choruses & verses (there are more steps but you get the idea-I hope). :)
@HeartoftheDragonColo
8 жыл бұрын
+HeartoftheDragonColo Ravenscroft's playing is fantastic and he played on later recordings by Rafferty as well. Obviously he did not write the line as he claimed, however, since it is clearly the same line on the guitar in this demo (which by definition predates the single).
@ingfig1
4 жыл бұрын
HeartoftheDragonColo exactly .. well said. Please see also my reply to “ren hoek” above ..
@tedwojtasik8781
3 жыл бұрын
Then you have most of Bowie's stuff with Mick Ronson. Bowie would bring Mick the demo (vocals & acoustic guitar only from Bowie) and it was Mick who turned these very rough, very incomplete songs into the masterpieces they were. That was not Bowie, that was Ronson yet Mick never received a songwriting credit. Quite amazing as without Ronson Bowie likely would have gone nowhere as most of his demos were basic sketches and progressions.
@ingfig1
3 жыл бұрын
@@tedwojtasik8781 … thanks for the info about David Bowie and Mick Ronson.
@christiandavis2916
3 жыл бұрын
@@HeartoftheDragonColo tbh, I can't remember every social detail of every guitar part I recorded thirty years ago either.
@blastoff2022
4 жыл бұрын
still a great song...and the lyrics--haunting. such a pity his life took the turn it did.
@ingfig1
3 жыл бұрын
… yes, Gerry had a sad start to life. The third (unwanted) son of an alcoholic and tone-deaf Irish miner and an Irish-Scottish mother who used to sing traditional Irish and Scottish songs to Gerry. She would take the young Gerry away from home, to sleep sometimes in the street, to escape the drunken violence of his father on a Saturday night. Gerry was introduced to alcohol at an early age, and he tried several times in his life to get sober, but without success. One of those gifted and tortured artists, like Vincent Van Gogh.
@billwhite9703
4 жыл бұрын
Where the sax was finally put was a Mandocello put through a Wah-wah and a phaser pedal. It was played by Martin Jenkins of the Coventry folk band Dando Shaft. Martin also played with Bert Jansch in Conundrum and in Dave Swarbrick's Whippersnapper after he left Fairport Convention.
@LarryLeeMoniz
2 жыл бұрын
I just found out this existed thanks to Professor Of Rock! What an incredible demo!
@ClaudeLavender
6 жыл бұрын
That melody stands up tall amidst the chaotic backing track, interesting to hear the skeletal idea of such a great chune
@ranjanchadha
4 жыл бұрын
Given the song’s ubiquity and influence, it’s understandable that Ravenscroft might later fib about his role. Also, according to legend, he was only paid £27 for his contribution, while Rafferty was said to have made £80,000 in annual royalties until his death in 2011. But the song did benefit Ravenscroft's career, and he went on to work with Pink Floyd, Marvin Gaye, and Daft Punk...... ADAM CHANDLER, former staff writer at The Atlantic 17th December 2015
@ingfig1
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Ravenscroft did not get any share of the profits from Baker Street because he was paid as a session musician ie paid specifically to play that sax part in that particular song. Gerry never formed another “formal band” like Stealers Wheel, because he learnt from that experience that he would lose both the control and the direction of his own compositions and that he would become a puppet of the recording industry, having to endure long promotional tours and to make music that the record company wanted him to make but which he didn’t want to make. So, he employed musicians to play in studio with him, as well as on stage. And he did use the same musicians often, but they were paid as session musicians and not as profit-sharing members of “the Gerry Rafferty band”. That was a double-edged sword tho .. sometimes a musician would have another gig planned for when Gerry needed him. For example. Hugh Burns was the amazing guitarist who played a guitar lead in the studio recording of Baker Street, but Hugh was not available for the live recording of Baker Street where a young and over-enthusiastic Julian Littman totally fluffed that guitar lead, causing Gerry to grimace whilst trying to keep a nonchalant face .. 1) Here it is then .. .. kzitem.info/news/bejne/14uB2YyDrYqajII ... (the 1978 live video using Julian Littman instead of Hugh Burns) 2) And the official 1977 studio video recording using Hugh Burns in guitar lead ... kzitem.info/news/bejne/p6Vsx3-ki6Bzq4I ... 3) And finally, that awful lip-synced version where Gerry is hating every moment of it, standing as stiff as a cardboard cutout and looking like a deer in the headlights (until he turns to see the sax come in, then his eyes light up). Gerry hated doing this lip-synced thing just for the camera, but it was pretty much dictated by the recording company cuz they didn’t want a live recording where someone fluffed it - see (1) above! Film was expensive in those days, cheaper to get the band to lip-sync a recording that had been perfected in studio..... here it is ... kzitem.info/news/bejne/2J2HvZ6Hk6uVjGU. ...
@kevinobrien9626
6 ай бұрын
The string players on Eleanor Rigby are equally embittered. The band leader curses the fact that they made helpful suggestions without asking for compensation or credit.
@roldo23
4 жыл бұрын
That's not a guitar, its a mandocello through a phaser and wawa played by Martin Jenkins ( Dando Shaft, Dave Swarbrick's Whippersnapper, Bert Jansch's Conundrum &c). He also wrote the part. His son Ray, also a fine musician, has verified this on facebook.
@MedfordTim
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. I can't find independent verification of this and since neither of them are around to clarify, I'll leave the info I've got and this and let listeners fight it out. Whatever the actual facts may be, it still stands as a very interesting piece of music. Thanks again!
@ilovecoltrane4565
3 жыл бұрын
If this is true then Martin Jenkins should have been straight in there for a songwriting share ........and I would like to think that Gerry Rafferty would have been happy to oblige?
@kevinobrien9626
6 ай бұрын
I’d wager that, in 1978, everyone expected songs to be one-and-done. Songs from the 40s and 50s had limited relevance and no one expected old material to have longevity. The music industry was about the current and the next. In short, no one could possibly imagine that songs would generate income decades later. The Beatles were as surprised as anyone that red/blue sold in staggering numbers. No one could possibly have expected that generationally enriching funds were in the balance.
@Capn_US
9 жыл бұрын
Thanks Spontaneanation, James "Jimmy Blades" Bladon and Michael Sheen for bringing me here.
@TheseusTitan
3 жыл бұрын
It’s interesting to listen to the evolution of a song. The temple seems a bit faster as well. Thanx for posting!
@kevinobrien9626
6 ай бұрын
There is a faint resemblance to the riff of Layla, which is to say there is a faint resemblance to the first line of As the Years Go Passing By. It does seem to be a fairly common blues statement.
@2lucky1957
2 жыл бұрын
Bob Lefetz sent me here. Thanks Bob!
@theagingpunkrocker
2 жыл бұрын
Bob doesn't miss a beat
@xeostube
2 жыл бұрын
While I like the final version of the song better, I do think that the different parts are better integrated here, making it sound like a single cohesive whole. Unlike the final version where the sax solo sounds like a completely different song spliced between the lyrical portions.
@theonlydjtopcat
4 жыл бұрын
Where did this come from? Are there multitracks? Amazing!
@chrisb1953
3 жыл бұрын
Have a listen to jazz player Steve Marcus' "Half A Heart" that was made 10 years before BS. Does the sax sound familiar?
@Juhsayngul
11 жыл бұрын
Wow they sure took this song and multiplied it by 100.
@burlatsdemontaigne6147
7 жыл бұрын
I'ts called production.
@MySugarWallz
9 жыл бұрын
Still beautiful.
@sonofedmund5004
4 жыл бұрын
Listening to this makes me think the sax adds to the song but doesn't make it. The lyrics and Gerry's voice are awesome anyway.
@renhoek3851
5 жыл бұрын
If a guitar were to have played the riff, that's not how I'd imagine it to go. I'd have a dave gilmour-like tone screaming it out.
@ingfig1
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, but this is a demo version .. So, the demo version of anything is usually just a quick knock-up of something that still needs to be polished up.. Although Gerry played guitar, bass and piano, he did not portray himself as an instrumentalist .. he was a singer, a composer, a lyricist, a producer and an arranger. . At the time that Gerry wrote the melody (for the sax part) he had not decided which instrument was going to play that part of the melody. He and producer Hugh Murphy auditioned several instruments before they decided on sax. A saxophonist was engaged for the recording, but the saxophonist was sick on the day of recording .. so that’s when Ravenscroft filled in. Gerry composed the entire song.
@VictorMollo
4 жыл бұрын
It's not a guitar, it's a mandocello of all things. Played by Martin Jenkins.
@aquariusdawning
4 жыл бұрын
@@VictorMollo Bullshit. Really? No. Really? I hear a nonspecific 6 string guitar with a wah wah pedal. Do you have something to back that up? Not challenging you, truly interested to know is all.
@VictorMollo
4 жыл бұрын
@@aquariusdawning He is my brother, now sadly deceased. Family history :-)
@VictorMollo
4 жыл бұрын
So maybe I am mistaken and this is not the first demo, but the first demo of Baker Street with Gerry Rafferty was with Martin on a mandocello.
@davidlasky3373
7 жыл бұрын
This is sweet.
@crookedhill1410
8 жыл бұрын
fantastic
@wesmccullough3985
Жыл бұрын
love it! No more mystery about who wrote what.
@6000cs
7 жыл бұрын
OK, I've read a brief story about this demo, that Rafferty plays the intro (sax) on guitar. Did he supply the other instruments, also? Tough to discern what exactly is going on in the background. Bass, or bass pedals? Acoustic guitar. Organ/synth? A bit vexing.
@inversion66
7 жыл бұрын
I suspect the keyboard here is a home organ of some sort, which is probably the source for the woodblock sounding percussion as well. The percussion sounds like it follows a pretty typical home organ rhythm machine "Latin" pattern.
@6000cs
7 жыл бұрын
Very astute, thanks.
@frontmedia
6 жыл бұрын
Cr78 drum machine, electric bass, ac guitar, electric guitar, string machine, cymbals, triple tracked vox. Sounds like one player overdubbing
@ingfig1
4 жыл бұрын
Gerry would have laid down all the tracks for this demo .. he played guitar, bass and piano but was primarily a singer/songwriter/lyricist/arranger/producer
@TheGenreman
5 жыл бұрын
Bossa Nova Setting.
@MSMediaRotterdam
3 жыл бұрын
Yup! A classic one :o)
@jonnywishbone17
Жыл бұрын
thank god someone convinced him to add the sax!
@karmicselling4252
Жыл бұрын
Nice demo. Sounds great but Ravenscroft's saxophone parts and Hugh Burns soaring lead solo took it into the stratosphere and made it a classic.
@danguee1
10 ай бұрын
I think the addition of a sax was crucial. But for Ravenscroft to claim that it was "his" sax is clearly nonsense. Given the almost fully-formed melody we can hear here on this demo - it was just a case of getting a very good sax player to take that part and flesh it out. Ravenscroft has a nerve, to be honest.....
@stewartroxburgh8844
4 жыл бұрын
Any idea what the processing is on Gerry's vocals?
@snojetsst9420
4 жыл бұрын
sounds like it's doubletracked.
@PlateOshrimp499
6 жыл бұрын
Baldwin Fun Machine organ rhythm track!
@josephhughes1925
4 жыл бұрын
Love this but check out Steve Marcus HALF A HEART for the original riff. It came out on his album in 1967.
@MedfordTim
4 жыл бұрын
Wow! That is a good catch! I had no idea. Let's hope it was a case of (as Steve Miller said about his Joe Walsh riff) "Hey, it's a great lick. Why WOULDN'T I want to use it?" situation. Thanks for sharing this info!
@ingfig1
4 жыл бұрын
Close .. but no cigar. Only the first few notes are similar .. then the melodies go in different directions...
@DanimalistBoot
3 жыл бұрын
@@ingfig1 LOL. Those are the notes that matter. It's the key riff that he copped.
@ingfig1
3 жыл бұрын
@@DanimalistBoot .. Har har. So every story that starts with “Once upon a time ...” then goes in a completely different direction is a copy of the first ever fairy tale ..? Nah. And so many songs have been written that even an ORIGINAL song (such as Baker Street which ORIGINATED in Gerry Rafferty’s creative brain) might well contain a combination of notes from some other obscure song. The points that defeat the accusation against Rafferty are: 1) “Half a Heart” was an obscure piece of music (not generally within reach of general public consumption) .. it is doubtful that Rafferty had ever heard it. 2) “Half a Heart” had a totally different vibe to Gerry’s composition . 3) Gerry Rafferty was prolific with his song-writing of beautiful melodies and superb musical accompaniments that were arranged by himself and his friend/manager Hugh Murphy (e.g. Moonlight and Gold, The Royal Mile, The Ark, Winter’s Come, Why Won’t You Talk To Me, and many other tunes that you probably know but didn’t knew they were Gerry’s). Rafferty was not a starving musician who was desperate for his next meal - he had no reason in the world to have copied anybody else, and the very idea would have been repugnant to him. 4) Everybody who knew Gerry knew how much of a perfectionist he was, how much he despised the record industry, and how much he loved to make music simply when his muses spoke to him as well as for *his fans*. He would never have stooped to copying somebody else’s music - his own compositions were superior. He refused to cow-tow to the recording companies by, for example, touring the USA while Baker Street was in the charts there, because being “a star” was not the reason that he made music. Like many other great singers, he was shy about singing “in the spotlight” , but he did love to be with a bunch of musicians in the studio, making great music. I recommend that you do some research on this brilliant but tortured composer, singer, song-writer and lyricist (he never claimed to be an amazing instrumentalist altho he certainly was proficient). Listen to interviews with the people who really knew him - such as Barbara Dickson, his childhood and lifelong friend Joe Egan (who formed Stealers Wheel with GR), his friend Alan Byrne (who painted that famous guitar for Gerry) - back in the days before Gerry realized what being a “star” meant i.e.that he’d become a puppet whose strings were controlled by the recording company. When ‘Stuck In The Middle With You’ became a hit, he learnt that he’d have to sacrifice his musical integrity (to make the kind of music that would make the record company lotsa money as opposed to making the kind of music that Gerry wanted to make) and sacrifice his personal life (by going on grueling promotional tours) and jump to the snap of the record company’s commands - which is what led to his 3 year legal battle to get out of his recording contract with Stealers Wheel - he wanted to keep his integrity and his personal life. Despite Gerry’s refusal to tour USA, Baker Street hit the charts there, and by actual record sales it should have been No1 on the Billboard charts, but the night before the charts were released, Andy Gibb’s manager met with Billboard execs and threatened to pull Andy out of a Billboard -sponsored gig if they allowed Baker Street to push Gibb out of the No. 1 position. Guess what Billboard did ... yeah, they kept Baker Street at No.2. Yeah, that’s the music industry for ya. No integrity, unlike Gerry Rafferty R.I.P.
@DanimalistBoot
3 жыл бұрын
@@ingfig1 You seem so proud of your obviously flawed analogy; words do not comprise melodies. Sax intro obviously copped. End of story...no matter how long your irrelevant ramblings.
@ConradTheLonelyStump
2 жыл бұрын
Not sure how many people will get this reference, but does this version of the song remind anyone of Hylics 2 music?
@brettkoeshall2325
6 жыл бұрын
Saxophone sounds better than the guitars in the demo version.
@watchxinxyou
2 жыл бұрын
Set the record straight about the author of the solo - by Gerry of course and not the sax player
@PEC2528
6 жыл бұрын
Reading comments here it is obvious many don't know the purpose of a ''demo' .
@leonardotube
6 жыл бұрын
Some comments made me facepalm so hard I almost ripped off my face.
@ingfig1
4 жыл бұрын
Well said. Also Gerry played guitar and piano but was primarily a singer not an instrumentalist...
@1978garfield
6 жыл бұрын
I wish someone would tab this out. I think with just a little grit it would sound amazing on guitar.
@ColdSmokes
9 жыл бұрын
Wow, he even doubled up the vocal tracks....was sooo common in the 70's
@ML-jk3sz
7 жыл бұрын
Its been the standard for years
@futbolt
6 жыл бұрын
Vocal tracks are quadrupled or auto tuned today.
@jackhammer111
3 жыл бұрын
rafferty even doubled the vocal on the demo. I could do without those sticks.
@carlcrasmussen
24 күн бұрын
Wow the bones are there but they really fixed this one up
@musiclover9361
4 жыл бұрын
Neither Gerry Rafferty nor Raphael Ravenscroft composed that riff. I heard it in the 1960s by Steve Marcus, on a track my mother had called 'Half a Heart'.
@ingfig1
4 жыл бұрын
Many fairy tales begin with “Once upon a time ...” but that doesn’t make them copies of each other, since the stories are different. In the same way, the first few notes of Baker Street resemble the first few notes of Half a Heart .. doesn’t make Baker Street a copy of Half a Heart .. the melodies go in different directions ...
@musiclover9361
4 жыл бұрын
@@ingfig1, the song 'Baker Street' is not claimed to be a copy - only the main Sax riff.
@ingfig1
4 жыл бұрын
musiclover9361 .. I don’t hear the sax riff of Baker Street being the same as the sax riff of Half a Heart .. first few notes are the same (“Once upon a time ..”) then they go in different directions ..
@jasonchebib9411
3 жыл бұрын
“Once upon a time” is the equivalent of starting a song “1, 2, 3, 4”. I just listened to Half A Heart and that’s most definitely not what’s going on here. Baker Street’s main riff is totally lifted from that tune, and I’d wager a copyright court case wouldn’t say any different.
@ingfig1
3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonchebib9411 … I disagree with you but I appreciate your opinion. I cannot give credibility to any of the claims that Gerry “stole” the sax melody from Half A Heart - Gerry did not have any reason to steal anything from any other musician! Gerry was a prolific songwriter and lyricist, and he was for sure not short of inspiration - he wrote more than 100 original songs. Other great musicians such as Eric Clapton, Mark Knopfler and Sir Paul McCartney wanted to collaborate with Gerry because of his gift for song-writing, but Gerry preferred to work alone, after his ordeal with the band that he had co-founded (Stealers Wheel).. With the proliferation of music in the last century, the chances are that any two musicians might come up with similar runs, licks, melodies .. without ever having heard each other’s version! Some more great Gerry Rafferty songs: 1. Stuck In The Middle With You. … kzitem.info/news/bejne/p6Cl13aXkGiAgKA .. 2. Moonlight and Gold .. kzitem.info/news/bejne/jmOp2qprf4CJjag … 3. The Royal Mile … kzitem.info/news/bejne/k6OCx3x_iZWDdo4 … 4. Right Down The Line … kzitem.info/news/bejne/y4eYrp-lkZiZgn4 … 5. Winter’s Come … kzitem.info/news/bejne/25COwImbcpaElKQ … 6. Get It Right Next Time .. kzitem.info/news/bejne/tI6Nk6eCbpmre4Y … 7. Why Won’t You Talk To Me … kzitem.info/news/bejne/sI6Pn6F9imeCY3o … 8. Days Gone By … kzitem.info/news/bejne/qpVqumSZs4WBpZw … 9. The Ark. … kzitem.info/news/bejne/uIyMp5xubItpgno … 10. Don’t Close The Door .. kzitem.info/news/bejne/zJuil4R-qXqYiH4 … 11. It’s Easy To Talk … kzitem.info/news/bejne/pYF3y4aghKikrII … 12. Don’t Speak Of My Heart .. kzitem.info/news/bejne/xa2ruayvfH55goo ,,, 13. On A Night Like This …. kzitem.info/news/bejne/xW-p06dvomWJfIY … 14. Tired of Talking … kzitem.info/news/bejne/xZ59mKeEm5qglHY … 15. It’s Gonna Be A Long Night … kzitem.info/news/bejne/q4aB0WqohJGcqaQ … and many many many more!
@leavingitblank9363
6 жыл бұрын
It's all that cymbal that really brings this down. Who can pay attention to sax vs guitar with that racket going on?
@unclegeorge4629
6 жыл бұрын
Good demo, but the session musicians made it a great song!
@ingfig1
4 жыл бұрын
A demo is usually a quick knock up of an idea that needs to be polished. Gerry played guitar, bass guitar and piano .. he never claimed to be an instrumentalist .. which is why he hired session musicians to get the best results possible. The credit for the composition goes to Gerry Rafferty. The credit for the velvety voice goes to Gerry Rafferty. The arrangement and production was done by Gerry Rafferty and Hugh Murphy. You can be sure that Gerry rehearsed the session musicians until they got the perfect arrangement.... so full credit to Gerry Rafferty for this wonderful song which has endured several decades and never grows old.
@Fortwentt
3 ай бұрын
scary
@AnyoneCanSee
2 жыл бұрын
Coincidental that two Scotsmen made Baker Street famous all over the world. He is singing about the same Baker Street of Sherlock Holmes fame. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and Gerry Rafferty two Scottish greats.
@zman92630
11 жыл бұрын
Thank god this wasn't the final version. The intro sounds like something out of a bad western movie...
@SmokedPorky
4 жыл бұрын
Sounds a little like Steve Miller!
@michaelserrurier9392
4 жыл бұрын
LMAO.
@johnnyhartley4330
3 жыл бұрын
Very true, at lots of points in this demo you can think it is going to break into "so keep on rocking me baby"
@glennmckenzie6799
9 жыл бұрын
Great song , to bad he hated the industry
@CaseyRafter
9 жыл бұрын
+glenn mckenzie is it?
@glennmckenzie6799
9 жыл бұрын
Casey Rafter I think so
@CaseyRafter
9 жыл бұрын
+glenn mckenzie very well, then
@glennmckenzie6799
9 жыл бұрын
Carry on. Lol
@ingfig1
4 жыл бұрын
He had reason to dislike “the industry” .. eg .. the legal issues resulting from his leaving Stealers Wheel, managers wanting the artists to go on grueling tours to create “stars” (to sell more records), record executives having too much control of the artist’ s work (to sell records to younger people) etc etc. Gerry had the integrity to not follow that pathway to celebrity .. choosing family and making music for appreciative audiences rather than for crazed fans.
@TifanShu
6 ай бұрын
Anyone who believes fibs about that being a mandocello has clearly never played a mandocello 😄
@jamurphy509
3 жыл бұрын
this version zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
@fastguned
10 жыл бұрын
My God, this version would have never even made the top 100. Whatt a difference. it's not just the sax left out, bad as that is . The whole sound sucks.
@charliebadger
10 жыл бұрын
Please remember he did this at home for the other musicians to hear. It was never going to be released.
@guitarslim56
9 жыл бұрын
FastgunEd This is what is called "demo" (demonstration) recording.
@fastguned
9 жыл бұрын
Joe Harris Really?????. You mean demo means demonstration?. How in the world did you figure that out? You need to join Menza right away. I thought it meant demolish as if this version just demolishes the original - silly me.. I feel so enlightened. You are my hero.
@The25thBusShow
9 жыл бұрын
FastgunEd This WAS the original, you idiot.
@valgehiir
9 жыл бұрын
FastgunEd who can tell how limited you are! Your OP is very dumb, so please be greateful to people to point it out to you that demo means demonstration
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