Thank you for being here! Here is my comparison between both studios and thoughts on their games. If you have any thoughts to share - I hope you will share them in the comments. If you feel like I deserve it - you're always welcome to subscribe! Thank you! 🙏
@triplethtet6734
7 ай бұрын
Cool vid, got a new sub
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
@@triplethtet6734 thank you so much!
@Therealonetruejoe
7 ай бұрын
Hello, at 9:30 “against” is missing a t
@notsocasualYT
6 ай бұрын
@@Therealonetruejoe oops 😅
@oa4842
7 ай бұрын
Larian being independent is the key here.
@tmage23
7 ай бұрын
Yup. Corporate owned studios have access to more resources but the tradeoff is that they're beholden to an entity that has to show increasing profits every year to please their shareholders.
@Bluehairedgirl89
7 ай бұрын
I hate to say this, I truly do. But that’s right, especially in more creative industries like video games it seems to be better to have a privately owned company that’s run by one person or a small group rather than a publicly traded corporation that absolutely has to increase profits every quarter to appease shareholders.
@Starfloofle
7 ай бұрын
Publishers and, above all, *shareholders* who run those kinds of companies from the shadows, are the very truly worst part of all of capitalism, especially in the creative world. They ruin everything they touch.
@diamondhamster4320
7 ай бұрын
Well yeah Duh...
@Midaspl
7 ай бұрын
Independent* *Except Chinese money
@PindleofKujata
7 ай бұрын
I miss the pre-EA Bioware so much.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Same here, their games used to be great
@Cappuccino_Rabbit
7 ай бұрын
Star Wars KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect 1. Ahh, the times when DLCs weren't a massive plague, things got really south with Dragon Age 2 and especially Mass Effect 3
@catandrobbyflores
7 ай бұрын
The Citadel was while i won't say perfect, it was a nice send off for the squads.@Cappuccino_Bunny
@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket
7 ай бұрын
EA is the cancer that destroys so many great studios. Only a short sighted fool would let them get a foot in the door.
@blastimbre
6 ай бұрын
@@Cappuccino_Rabbit Mass Effect 3 wasn't that bad. its ending may have been somewhat underwhelming, especially on launch, but the game was pretty great throughout. DA2 was kinda dookie, though.
@brentbentKRFP
7 ай бұрын
The true big difference is that Larian is privately owned and isn't on the 'make line go up every quarter' treadmill that Bioware was put onto once they were bought by a publicly traded company. By default a publicly traded company is always first and foremost concerned with making profits. That's why Larian can make a game where making the most money isn't the goal because they're not owned by a publicly traded corporation.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
True. That makes them a very special company.
@brentbentKRFP
7 ай бұрын
@@notsocasualYT They're indeed legendary world creators standing above almost everybody. I hope they never sell to a public corporation. This is where I'd be fine with nepo babies if they carried the Larian traditions forward.
@AlyssMa7rin
7 ай бұрын
Sadly, Tencent purchased 30% of Larian after BG3s success
@brentbentKRFP
7 ай бұрын
@@AlyssMa7rin Yeah, that news isn't good but I'm going to trust Larian set up appropriate guard rails to prevent their meddling. 10c invests in lots of video game companies and I haven't heard of any undue influence stories about them so let's hope they stay quiet, passive investors.
@MidlifeCrisisJoe
7 ай бұрын
It's not just the publicly traded company thing though. Because there are still studios that are big publicly traded corporations that still make good games - it's just that almost none of them are WESTERN studios. Capcom, Nintendo, SEGA . . . most of these companies are publicly traded and they still make and publish good games regularly. So it's really a philosophical thing rather than a pure financial thing. *American* corporate mentality is the one which focuses on the "line must go up!" mentality above all else and ruthlessly pursuing this without caring about *how* it can be done. But obviously, not all companies are American, and it's in non-American gaming studios and companies that best seem to be able to keep this perspective these days it seems, whether that's Japanese companies or European, a common denominator is just that they're not North American.
@topster888
7 ай бұрын
EA is the grim reaper of game studios
@SifSehwan
7 ай бұрын
Microsoft is knocking on your door.
@allot5530
7 ай бұрын
More of a vampire because at least the grim reaper kills you instantly, Instead of slowly and painfully
@crozraven
7 ай бұрын
What they did to Westwood with C&C series will never be forgotten.
@sleepinthemorningcalm
7 ай бұрын
Any major corporation really
@chrisx5127
7 ай бұрын
EA is so anti-consumer the moment they bought the NFL franchise after how amazing NFL 2K5 and later could have been with NFL and gaming fans. But dumb NFL gamers continue to support EA games with Madden.
@michaelhoffmann2891
7 ай бұрын
Long may they last. However, when the day arrives that Sven leaves and the successors fall into the same trap as Bioware, history repeats itself. Heck, even EA once stood for quality and beloved games! (though I'm aging myself that I still remember them) There was LucasArts and Sierra and... the list goes on. You know the end is nigh when the 2 dreaded words crop up: "private" and "equity". That's when the vultures are diving their bloody beaks into the still-living body.
@IguanaJoose
7 ай бұрын
Don't forget Blizzard North
@michaelhoffmann2891
7 ай бұрын
@@IguanaJoose Yes, indeed. A tragedy so sad, my mind must have refused to add it.
@Bluehairedgirl89
7 ай бұрын
Basically the moment you hear that any company no matter what industry was purchased by a private equity firm, you know that it’s about to go through some serious trouble. The desperate drive to maximize profits at all costs eventually leads the company to eat itself alive and whatever’s left is sold for spare parts.
@HackersSun
7 ай бұрын
And the suits who thinks video games are for losers
@JeremyLevi
7 ай бұрын
Not to mention they will borrow heavily against the company to raise profits for shareholders without regard to long term financial viability. Even if absolutely nothing else changed in regards to management, employees, work output, or real profits the debt taken on will bury them sooner rather than later.
@Skumtomten1
6 ай бұрын
I bet you have no clue what a private equity firm actually does for the company.
@Skumtomten1
6 ай бұрын
The entire business strategy for a private equity firm is to seek out firms with alot of potential that need funding to get the cogs spinning. They can also restructure the organisation and ask to take positions on the board of directors. Eventually, the goal is to sell the shares to a higher price than what they bought them for, and also making money from fees and the like. It is litterally a long term investment, and firms that seek private equity funds are probably in financial or some other trouble to begin with.
@deptusmechanikus7362
7 ай бұрын
BG3 filled the void Dragon Age Origins left fifteen years ago, when I closed the game for the final time. I spent 700+ hours in Baldur's Gate. I have barely any interest in DA4.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
I feel exactly the same!
@mrmoviemanic1
7 ай бұрын
I know it's a bit of a personal thing, but I would say Dragon Age II and Dragon Age Inquisition are just as amazing in their own ways, but as beat for beat sequels that you are looking for out of Origins they are not, but that doesn't make them any less amazing imo.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
@@mrmoviemanic1 As long as you had a good time - it's all that matters.
@mrmoviemanic1
7 ай бұрын
@@notsocasualYT True mate.
@codyvandal2860
7 ай бұрын
If Larian was owned by EA they would consider those 700 hours "severely undermonetized" because they werent shoving a MTX shop in front of your face the whole time or pushing some 'live-service' bullshit
@Dayhawk101
7 ай бұрын
3 game award shows and a total of 17 awards with all 3 game award shows winning Game Of The Year. Hell of a success story.
@JukkaE
7 ай бұрын
Rarely you see someone doing this accurate observations about what happened. All of this doesnt apply only to bioware, simplifying games to make them easier and therefore more appealing to non-nerdish masses, was the wrong path, BG3 proves it pretty well.
@hdawglion718
7 ай бұрын
It wasn’t just “non-nerdish masses” as BioWare openly fell into the same trap as so many other developers of that era: “we want the call of duty audience”
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
I agree with that, looks like is true that a game for all is a game for no one.
@LadyDoomsinger
7 ай бұрын
The trick isn't to dumb down your game so it's easier for more people to play - the trick is to make the game engaging enough that more players want to learn how to play it.
@crozraven
7 ай бұрын
Larian Studios should stay independent no matter what & they deserve every bits of supports by gamers.
@winterlif
7 ай бұрын
Old Bioware will always be influential to who I am as a person today and the way I view characters; I forgot that for a while, but BG3 reminded me of those great times.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
I felt the same with BG3. It made me want to replay older Bioware titles
@SkinnyWR12
7 ай бұрын
Larian chose not to be greedy and actually made timeless game! It’s a must have game for any gamer ❤
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
I hope they keep making great games!
@AceOvrZero
7 ай бұрын
bioware died when they sold themselves to ea its not hard to understand and if it was to save the company there are so many other better choices
@marciusnhasty
7 ай бұрын
It was dire straits situation. They've even sold their Aurora engine to at the time completely unknown CD Project to try staying independent, but it wasn't enough. Absolute killer was the fact that they didn't own IP for their best selling games and EA locked rights on Star Wars games for long time period.
@arik2216
7 ай бұрын
Bioware die because of the capitalism risk oh yeah they need to be restricted by political correctness.
@andrewhooper5933
7 ай бұрын
Bioware is what got me into gaming, First KOTOR (I was too young for OG Baldurs Gate. Watching the fall from grace has been so sad, and I am so thankful for Larian and BG3, finally have that feeling of wonder I did when I first stepped into KOTOR and Dragon Age: Origins
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Agree, no game gave me the same feel for a long time!
@LadyDoomsinger
7 ай бұрын
BG 1 was the first RPG I ever played. I wasn't even fluent in English back then, and yet I remember the experience fondly. After the Enhanced Edition was released I played it again, and found so much I've missed the first time, just because of the language barrier. It was a wonderful experience, and the people who were involved in it's making deserves credit for making something that great - and laying the foundation for Larian to build on with BG3... Even if the studio itself is but a shell of it's former self.
@AlyssMa7rin
7 ай бұрын
KOTOR 1&2 was and is the GOAT of series
@emmanuel1337
7 ай бұрын
Damn, Swen is absolutely crazy for continuing with his game studio after the very serious fails and lackluster results that they had in the past -- I don't know how he managed to keep together, much less keep it up. Thankfully his passion for the craft and confidence on the potential of their projects are on another level, 'cause BG3 was the major wake-up call that the game industry needed (hopefully driving a serious shift on its standards and practices) and, above anything else, just an exception piece of genuine art...
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
His story is very motivational 😅
@The_Mother.
7 ай бұрын
How did BioWare fall and Larian now suddenly winning every award and event? Larian cares and is independent... BioWare sold it's soul to EA.
@joker6558
7 ай бұрын
BioWare didn’t intend to sell to EA.
@blankeon6613
7 ай бұрын
Bioware used to be incredible, now they are a joke. I am just happy that Larian is becoming what Bioware used to be.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
We are very lucky that we've got Larian
@commandershepard7728
7 ай бұрын
My dude , jade empire was so damn fun ! I remember being young and starting over several dozen times just to make sure I choose the “right” fighting style for myself hahah
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
It's kinda of sad that we never got a sequel. Such a different game!
@vehnashur2771
7 ай бұрын
Jade Empire was awesome.
@RustyNinja100
7 ай бұрын
Bioware is an example of why profit seeking is short sighted.
@astralaris8712
7 ай бұрын
I will say something that I dont think I would ever say, and something people might get mad at, but, Baldur's Gate 3 is the sequal Dragon Age Origins never got.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
I kinda off share the same feeling, but I think will be more like accurately calling it a "spiritual succesor"
@astralaris8712
7 ай бұрын
@@notsocasualYTI think thats a better way to describe it yes, which is hilarious, as DAO was a loveletter and spiritual successor to BG1 and 2!
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
@@astralaris8712 They made a strange full circle 😅
@Tuilelen
7 ай бұрын
As a game, I would say BG3 feels better bc it perfected the balance for making combat and play mechanics engaging without feeling overly complicated. But in terms of story/world-building, DAO was better, through no fault of Larian's. The DnD world is just a bit of a mess, while Thedas just feels like a true living, breathing universe that draws you into its story.
@Rxbxticc
7 ай бұрын
glad youtube recommended me this. this is so well made. huge respect for making such a high quality video🙌💯
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, I really appreciate it!
@blueplague5911
7 ай бұрын
It's so humbling to see where Larian came from... I have so much respect for them. They feel like the people's studio
@LogicalThinking210
7 ай бұрын
Larian Studios really gets it; they stick to what they believe in and always put gamers first. That's why they've got such a loyal fan base. Basically, they just have to announce a new game, and boom, we're all over it, no fancy ads needed. They save a ton of money on marketing just by making awesome games. On the flip side, you've got those other studios and publisher that just rush games out to hit sales targets, cutting corners and ending up with games that disappoint. They end up blowing loads of cash on marketing just to make those games seem worth it.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
They actually do have great and modern marketing - just direct social media communication that is so much better than traditional ads
@Cappuccino_Rabbit
7 ай бұрын
To me, BioWare died after Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 (even though i still enjoy ME3 and damn the multiplayer was pretty good). And it just got worse with Andromeda and Inquisition onwards I am skeptical about the next Mass Effect, because not only i'm sure the new writers have no idea how to continue the story, but they'll surely slap Andromeda lore into it
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
I really hope we might be wrong about their next games, but I'm skeptical.
@billiealexander3480
7 ай бұрын
That's how it sounds by them potentially reverting back to Shepards story for both fan service reasons + lack of content. It's made me lose faith. I actually have friends who are writers trying to shift from the film industry to the video game industry after the strikes so there's not a shortage of writing talent just whatever they're doing with it. And whatever is happening with Dragon Age is just...ugh.
@acev3521
7 ай бұрын
Oh andromeda lore is already confirmed. ME is finished
@velzanna2281
7 ай бұрын
This whole dynamic seems almost like the favourite oldest child and the redheaded second child. The first constantly being told how good they are, how talented, how amazing. They get complacent. They get dependent. They get used to putting in minimum effort and being praised. The younger child has to struggle and overcome, but by doing this they become stronger, independent and self-sufficient. The oldest becomes a methhead and the younger becomes a doctor. Okay the metaphor may be far fetched but I can’t help but feel that it applies.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
That was an interesting analogy. Let's hope the oldest one will eventually sober up 😅
@samflood5631
7 ай бұрын
While everyone treats both Dragon Age 2 and Dragon Age Inquisition as the black sheep of the franchise, I for one, enjoyed both Dragon 2 and Dragon Age Inquisition the same way I enjoyed Dragon Age Origins and Baldur’s Gate 3. At least those games allowed me to play out my escapist fiction as I explore the setting of each game, romance some characters, fight the monsters and experience the story of each game. I do hope that Dragon Age Dread Wolf will be good in its own right.
@101Mant
7 ай бұрын
DA2 had it's flaws but at least tried something new with the time skips and a defined protagonist but one you could shape the personality of. DAI went for the most bland and faceless approach to a protagonist and a world that was entirely empty and dull (outside the DLCs). NPC interaction was largely with your party or at special events. While DAO had a a world full of interesting NPCs with story, personality and quests DAI was "collect these items". It also had the most generic and hackneyed fantasy plot, ancient dark lord awakens. It wasn't bad but wasn't in the same league as DAO or BG3 for story or immersive world.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed it! At the end of the day, that's what matters. I really do hope Dread Wolf will come out well, but I'm quite skeptical about it.
@CreativeUsernameEh
7 ай бұрын
@@101MantI looooved Dragon Age Inquisition. Only game I have ever gotten all achievements on. There’s a lot of depth and personality and way more detail than most people think as many people never escape the Hinterlands and judge the whole game based off that zone. It was so satisfying immersing in the world and they did a great job making an open world Thedas
@Cliffy1616
7 ай бұрын
@CreativeUsernameEh I’m happy you enjoyed it, but personally I find it to be by far the weakest Dragon Age title. It’s still a good game, but I just can’t place it higher than the first 2. DA2 had its glaring issues, but I found the story great and the characters/companions were fairly solid. Even Hawke as a set protagonist wasn’t much of an issue. Inquisition though, the story just felt weak and it shat all over what DA2 had been building. DA2 ends with a massive mage Vs Templar shit storm that seemed like it would change the world, only for Inquisition to essentially turn it into a barely relevant side plot that boils down to you picking a side to be fodder in your army. And the main Villain was a recycled DA2 DLC bad guy… the moment Corypheus was revealed as the bad guy it was a MASSIVE let down. But it wasn’t the end of the world. For the early game it was amazing everything up to Haven I loved especially that final battle which sees the inquisitor go face to face with Corypheus for the first time in What seemed like a guaranteed suicidal attempt to save everyone else. Up until this early point in the game I was loving it, it was tense the stakes seemed high and the situation seemed almost hopeless. And combine that with all the games promo stuff harping the tag line of “lead them or fall” and so by this point I was psyched. If the game kept this dire tone all the way through it would have been epic. Buuuut instead we then gets Leliana’s glee club moment right after on the side of a mountain and everything went downhill from there… The Inquisitor is given an army, a fortress and for the rest of the game proceeds to curb stomp anything that stands in their way. They literally physically go into the fade and only lose 1 person in the process… they’re also apparently this godly warrior/mage despite having no real backstory that would indicate anything like that. They’re either a minor noble before or a mercenary, but either way they’d don’t have any real fighting or combat rep. But can go toe to toe with some of the strongest creatures around. The Inquisitor ends up basically being 100% a Gary/Mary Sue, which isn’t as obvious on your first playthrough, but subsequent play throughs it’s obvious and kind of kills any tension in the story as you know the Inquisitor literally won’t fail at anything after Haven. And that the whole “lead them or fall” tag line was a bunch of B.S. as the Inquisitor not only cannot fail, but cannot die. You can argue the Warden never fails, but the Warden personally builds their army from scratch and it isn’t just given to them. The Warden in basically all Origins is regarded as a fairly adept warrior/mage and is no slouch in combat. And unlike the Inquisitor the Warden CAN die to achieve their goals. Then there’s Hawke, who is not any where close to a Mary/Gary Sue. Hawke despite their fame and all their strength fails on multiple key occasions. By either watching 1 sibling die early. Failing to keep the 2nd sibling from dying/ the wardens/circle-templars. They save the city from the Qunari, but fail to save the viscount who kept Meredith and Orsino balanced. They couldn’t save their mother. And ultimately failed to prevent the Mage vs Templar shit show. Hawke was someone who gained wealth to provide for a family that was dropping like flies and who saved a city once, but failed at literally everything else. And then comes my largest issue with Inquisitions story. And that’s that the actual end to the Inquistor’s story was popped inside a DLC. Like the games REAL ending was a fuggin DLC… that was all kinds of wrong. And that’s not mentioning the companions. Who the vast majority were completely meh. In Origins all the companions were great and even DA2 most of them were pretty good. But for Inquisition I just couldn’t care about any of them really. Cole was kind of interesting and Dorian was likeable and Cassandra was Okay, but she had me intrigued from her appearance in DA2. But the rest I never could care about, no matter how much I tried they just couldn’t hold my interest. And the open world just seemed so unnecessary, just like the stupid war table that ran with real time countdowns which would just artificially inflate playtime. Both these were fine on my first playthrough when the game was at its most interesting, but on subsequent playthroughs it just made the game a massive slog and would usually leave me having to force my self to get to the finish. So yeah, don’t get me wrong despite my crapping on it, I DO like the game. But it will for ever leave a bad taste in my mouth. As it’s a good game, but it had the potential to be so much better than it was.
@RickDwrecked
7 ай бұрын
Where did Bioware go wrong? Two words: Electronic Arts
@Xcyper33
7 ай бұрын
The spirit of old Bioware now rests with Larian
@gamewrit0058
7 ай бұрын
5:00 Yup, I also think that DAO was BioWare's peak, and it makes extra sense to me now, knowing that it was the last thing that started development before EA acquired it and ran them into the ground.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching! Unfortunately, it is what it it...
@Poctyk
7 ай бұрын
It feels like in the west, mid size developer scene only now begins to recover after 08.
@PrimroseParadox
6 ай бұрын
I'm 315 hours into Baldur's Gate 3, and I'm not stopping anytime soon. I've finished it once, gotten halfway on a handful of other playthroughs, and played around with mods, played co-op with friends. The best damn game I've seen in years
@notsocasualYT
6 ай бұрын
Awesome! Im glad to hear youre having a blast
@oguzcanoguz5977
7 ай бұрын
Wow I really was not expecting such a great video when clicking on this. Poor larian, they just got let down with financials and publishers again and again, where they only needed time and money to make proper games.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! They have a great motivational story. I'm glad everything worked out.
@nano_c0la
7 ай бұрын
I hope the algorithm keeps blessing you. They gave you me
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Thank you for being here!
@roelvaneyken211
7 ай бұрын
You forgot about the divinity 2 dlc 'flames of vengeance' which was released together with a re-release of divinity 2 called 'the dragon knight saga'. Which is what ultimately saved them (as they did get to finish that game after all). I loved it by the way, still do. It's larian's hidden gem. There is so much atmosphere there, even more so than in baldurs gate 3 in my opinion.
@HikingFeral
7 ай бұрын
I am an MMO player who has basically only played online MMO's for decades now. Baldur's gate 3 has changed that. BG3 is so good that I don't really even need the internet any more. Sure it's not perfect and the performance of act 3 is actually unacceptable but BG3 deserves 100 percent of the praise it receives. I am all in for BG3, Larian Studios and all of their games and DLC. I am now working my way backwards from BG3 enjoying everything they have to offer and happily sending them lots of my money - they deserve it.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Im glad you decided to give it a try! Have fun!
@KOBULT92
7 ай бұрын
Short answer: EA
@mightystronk4361
7 ай бұрын
Larian's writing is nowhere near what Bioware did in it's prime.
@acev3521
7 ай бұрын
Yeah bg3 is amazing as a board game to fuck around with friends but story just doesn’t seem to be there.
@onedeadcat
7 ай бұрын
10 years from now: Baldur's Gate: Andromeda
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
I hope not! 😅
@gamewrit0058
7 ай бұрын
😂😅
@joker6558
7 ай бұрын
I can’t wait!
@mrmiyagi5
7 ай бұрын
The answer is Electronic Arts
@ellobodehielo
7 ай бұрын
Larian: Makes a game where most players will never see even half of the cutscenes, because "A Lolth sworn Drow cleric would be able to say something else here, that resolves the whole issue. so we'll add that for 0.125% of players who picked that" Bioware: Makes a game where you can be good, evil, or pick the green ending, while EA cuts out the origin of their villains or some of the coolest party members because we need to sell DLC
@Wisdomv3
7 ай бұрын
Hopefully this gains traction - I can tell care and effort went into this. W upload 🤟
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Thank you a lot! I really apreaciate it.
@Wisdomv3
7 ай бұрын
@@notsocasualYTlooks like it’s picking up a day later! Knew it was gonna do well 🎉
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
@@Wisdomv3 Never imagined it! 🎉
@mclarke555
5 ай бұрын
Like Bane in Dark knights said…..”Victory has defeated you”
@notsocasualYT
5 ай бұрын
That's a good analogy
@Carpatheon.
7 ай бұрын
I was done with Bioware after Dragon Age Origins, and Mass Effect. Both games were amazing, and the sequels dumbed them down, and got rid of everything that made them great, in and effort to increase market share and bring in new players.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Same here, however who knows, maybe one day...
@athenaforce
7 ай бұрын
Really great video!!! I appreciate the time and effort put in to make the video!
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for this comment.
@Tacobellgoddess
7 ай бұрын
Really good video, i dont often leave comments but i think you deaerve a community worthy of the quality video you produced!
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Thank you for being here! I really appreciate it!
@museovations
7 ай бұрын
Really great documentary. I am impressed both by the resilience of Larian and the effectiveness of your comparison between the two studios.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you so much for watching
@ВладиславБулаев-л3э
7 ай бұрын
I will definitely watch this video later! This is QUALITY!
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it!
@AgeOfDanarchy
7 ай бұрын
Dragon Age Origins is still one of my favorite gaming experiences ever
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
It is a great game!
@rendyandrian7149
7 ай бұрын
I'm currently playing BG3. It is a complex game that requires me to read BG3 wiki and many other sources just to understand how things work. Yet, it is so addicting. My gut tells me Larian will be the perfect studio for making Fallout sequel in the same format as FO1 & 2.
@barbaroha
6 ай бұрын
Bioware’s problem was abandoning their games to try and create something more massive, something more akin to other successful games rather than their own. Open worlds, dozens of repetitive quests, hours and hours of walking back and forth (Dragon Age Inquisition and Mass Effect Andromeda did that). Bioware’s games were never about that. They were about difficult and strategic combat, a good story, depth in relationships with companions, decision making. Instead of deepening these aspects and improving them, they worsened them in an attempt to be more like Elder Scrolls, ending up halfway. Larian knew how to deepen the strong points that set them apart (which were the same as Bioware’s) and gifted us with Baldur’s Gate 3. Today, no one is waiting for a new Mass Effect or a new Dragon Age. We want new games from Larian OR FROM OBSIDIAN (I hope Microsoft learns from EA’s mistakes and doesn’t ruin them too).
@notsocasualYT
6 ай бұрын
Obsidian is my second favorite studio, that im slightly concerned with Avowed, but im sure theyll come up with something great. I wonder what they could do with an AAA budget game
@daniellins4114
7 ай бұрын
Wow this is a video of great quality, well researched and well presented, I hope your channel grows to reflect your effort and ability
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! I hope I'll be able to keep up!
@felathar1985
7 ай бұрын
I love your editing. Keep it up.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@JeremyLevi
7 ай бұрын
Great analysis on what was going on with these two particular studios although a brief mention to what else was happening in the background with CRPGs resurging in general in the 2010s wouldn't have gone amiss. A lot of groundwork was laid by Harebrained Schemes' Shadowrun Returns (2013), inXile's Wasteland 2 (2014) and 3 (2020), Torment (2017), Bard's Tale IV (2018), and Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity (2015) and PoE: II (2018). All of those were Kickstarter funded successes by smaller studios that helped establish that the demand for traditional CRPGs was still alive and well and were part of the overall trend that Larian both helped spur along and benefited from with Divinity: Original Sin I & II in 2014 and 2017 that made making Buldur's Gate 3 possible.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion. I thought originally to mention it, but I think this movement deserves a separate video. (so much was going on there!)
@Mariloow
7 ай бұрын
I grew up playing BG1, 2, Icewind Dale and Planescape, so much fun. Forever in my heart and mind.
@BBMorti
6 ай бұрын
So bioware went downhill after they were taken over by a big publisher (EA) and Larian went uphill when they found a way to fund a game without a publisher (Divinity original sin). Makes you think
@notsocasualYT
6 ай бұрын
Seems like having a publisher can ruin many studios
@diestormlie
7 ай бұрын
Fun Fact! NWN -still- has an active online community in the form of 'Persistent World' Servers (which are, to my mind, 'simply' small-scale, RP focused MMOs.)
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
That's amazing! It used to be quite popular back then
@Leonnie13
6 ай бұрын
I still love Dragon Age Origins, Mass Effect, and Knights of the Old Republic. They will always stay in my library.
@notsocasualYT
6 ай бұрын
Theyre great games!
@Gilder-von-Schattenkreuz
7 ай бұрын
Larian is not Bioware but Better. Its just what Studios like Piranha Bytes or Bioware have been in the Past before they succumbed to greed and lazyness. Thus stopping to make games with love fir detail and ambition. And instead making shallow shovelware with big advertising campaigns to sell as many as possible before people find out its trash
@TheRavenShadowsWolf
6 ай бұрын
Bioware "fell" when Bioware stopped being Bioware. They've long ago lost the original talented people that made the company what it was. So it's not really their "fall." So to speak. It's the shell that still has the name, and doesn't have the ability to leverage the legacy with new incumbant talent or any good new IP's. I'd also argue BG3 is first, not Baldur's Gate as the series. That was done canonically at the end of 2. Including DLC. It's Larian doing Larian. Which means it's Divinity Original Sin, with D&D 5e painted over it. It can still be a good to brilliant game, but it's always been mistitled as far as I was ever concerned. If it was actually a third installment of Baldur's Gate; it would've ALWAYS involved a Bhall spawn, and the story would be CENTERED around that. Even if it wasn't Abel. But then they'd also have to find a way to explain why a revived Bhall would even need to make one. Because they were all sacrificed as the origin of the Bhallspawn always entailed, to bring Daddy Not So Dearest back to life. They were always a free 1up to Bhall. It's not really a new IP; it's not even the actual IP that they advertised. Other than a tacked on last minute "Dark Urge" character, and a bare few mentions to try to twist in why that ham-fisted thing should exist in game.
@notsocasualYT
6 ай бұрын
Bg3 could easily have a different title - I agree on that. It seems that nowadays, it is close to impossinlr to make a game that is not a sequel or built up on already existing franchise
@Midaspl
7 ай бұрын
Well... You missed one thing. At which point did Tencent aquire significant portion of Larian?
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
That's a good one! I thought about it as well, however when I checked Tencent appears to be that they don't have a voting right in Larian - so I believe it doesn't affects their independence. If they'll ever get a voting right... Well, I hope that doesn't happens.
@fewfwefwfwff
7 ай бұрын
lets hope larian wont go greedy mode and lose it all
@MrVad3r
7 ай бұрын
i doubt man like sven who went through hell will give it all up for money now. dude kept his relationship and house on line to achieve his vision .. these kinda men are not purchasable with money.
@Moitoutvabien
7 ай бұрын
Great video! Leaving a comment to boost it. Any developer saying "Larian made a good game because they're lucky not to have a publisher" are clearly entitled and have no idea what the studio has been through since its creation. Cheers from Belgium
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
I'm glad you liked it! Thanks. Larian's work is really impressive.
@captainlcm
6 ай бұрын
Dragon Age Origins was so good. So. Good. It was and remained to be my most played game on Steam, with hundreds of hours. It had all the potentials to be developed into even better games than BG3. Alas.
@notsocasualYT
6 ай бұрын
It is an amazing game. One of my favorite games ever.
@francisxavier8374
7 ай бұрын
larian turn based rpgs are not particularly rules complex, just google any of the pathfinder games for comparison but they do have a physics based system that is quite unique for the genre also let's not kid ourselves, bg3's ending at launch wasnt super different from having 3 colored space lasers lmao
@jessicamontiel1562
7 ай бұрын
Great videos, it's good to see your channel is growing -Keep it up!
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@TheOldest
7 ай бұрын
The biggest impact to Bioware's downfall was being purchased by EA. The shorter development times with EA wanting their games to target more of the mainstream.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Looks like it. Sad but true
@Sky00566
7 ай бұрын
Never played turn based Rpg games like baldurs gate 3 now im hooked...hoping for new Dlc there so much to do in Baldurs gate
@deusvlad2.083
6 ай бұрын
My fav pc game is Never winter nights 1, and all the expansions. Baldurs gate 3 reminds me so much of that game that's probably why I love it so much, but in my heart still belongs to never winter nights, I would have loved to see a remake of Never winter nights 1 game using the baldurs gate 3 graphics and game mechanics style but keeping the type of real time strategy never winter nights had. I actually prefer that it had more speed in action vs strategy.
@notsocasualYT
6 ай бұрын
Have you played pillars of eternity? It might sceatch the same itch as neverwinter
@deusvlad2.083
6 ай бұрын
@@notsocasualYT I haven't played that, but my pc is really old now I doubt it will work lol thanks anyway I'll at least check it out on youtube.
@notsocasualYT
6 ай бұрын
@@deusvlad2.083 I don't think the first one is very demanding, but it might be up your alley if you like Neverwinter Nights!
@deusvlad2.083
6 ай бұрын
@@notsocasualYT ok thanks m8
@luskira
6 ай бұрын
awesome video mate, keep it up
@notsocasualYT
6 ай бұрын
Thank you so much. I'll try my best!
@TheRidvan36
7 ай бұрын
i was thinking today about how DA: origins has so much in common with BG3 and see this vid lol, clear vid mate
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Thanks! That thought was what gave me the initial idea 😅
@alzat._
7 ай бұрын
What an amazing video, great production and way of presenting it, hope your channel grows to match the high quality of this video!
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for being here, and I'm glad you liked it! I hope I'll be able to keep up 😅
@richardweems4517
7 ай бұрын
Thank you for the informative and well presented video
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@TyllerBoom
7 ай бұрын
Laren made something comprehensive, confusing, fascinating, and something that can poke my brain. It is, gud.
@4bschaum
7 ай бұрын
you have to be a really big nerd to wear a knights armour to everything. i like it
@Mattznick
7 ай бұрын
Larian are the top RPG devs now
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
They are indeed!
@nano_c0la
7 ай бұрын
I’m subscribing love your quality
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@lordomacron3719
7 ай бұрын
To be honest most of the people who made BioWare what is was have long since left the company.
@Ghillis_Peyton
6 ай бұрын
never heard of a publisher rushing a game and it working out. why do they still release games that are clearly not ready
@notsocasualYT
6 ай бұрын
And they keep on doing it over and over again...
@axo4383
7 ай бұрын
BioWare and Blizzrad had the same success and the same curse. Both were small gifted and caring gaming companies. Some Stock Holder owned them. Then BioWare was sold to EA because the share holder was literally sitting on the same coffee table as EA's current CEO. Ever since BioWare was sold they dipped and hard.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
I think Blizzard problems started with World Of Warcraft (of course getting bought by Activision was an issue as well) - I don't think they ever imagined that they will have to become a MMO studio for so many years.
@axo4383
7 ай бұрын
@@notsocasualYTThe problem is that for BioWare's case it was totally unfair. They were sold by private owner to EA for like $ 500k. They didn't get a penny and were then forced to become slaves for EA. Mass Effect being perfect example how EA destroyed the BioWare we loved. Mass Effect 1 was like 100% of the BioWare devs we cared and loved about. The game was little bit janky but it was still a solid BioWare game and people loved it. Mass Effect 2 already started to show the EA signs but it was still a good game of it's time and people loved it even more. But it was only made with 50% of the old BioWare devs. Then came the infamous Mass Effect 3. Oh boy only the 10% original staff members were left by that point and damm it was bad in a EA way. Anthem only had very few elder BioWare like 5 or 7? Which i think pretty much every one left after it. The damage was done. BioWare what we knew and loved was destroyed and dead. For Blizzard it wasn't as unfair. It was more of mistake. WoW was really popular and even on launch it killed the most popular MMORPG on the market EverQuest 1 and 2 it's sequel was aborted because WoW had so much hype around it (They both launched same year of 2004). I mean EQ2 did release but in very horrible rushed state. WoW did drain huge amount of Blizzard staff so i what i understood was that Blizzard wanted to make a deal with Activision to increase their capacity. But turns out Activision (Bobby Kotick) turned their back and pretty much forced Blizzard to be hes slave. And thus the downfall started from there.
@emptyfish8992
7 ай бұрын
ME3 had smooth action mechanics but the ending left me hating the fact I loved the game so much. DA Inquisition was unplayable and marked the death of BIOware. You hit the mark on the head my friend. Nice job on the video.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
I felt the same about DAI ans ME3. Thank you so much for this comment, im glad you liked it!
@quietinsound8087
6 ай бұрын
New Bioware can be summed up with their own marketing saying, push a button something awesome happens, button awesome.
@nomercy8989
7 ай бұрын
The funny thing is I remember when I first saw Baldurs Gate 3 gameplay. When it was first revealed and I thought to my self that it looked like the Dragon Age 2 we never got. I'm glad Larian picked up where the good Bioware left off. I bought BG3 on release but honestly haven't played it. I know nothing about DND and even the character creator was too overwhelming. I'm sure I'll get to it some day but for now I'm happy to have supported Larian and their game.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
It is worth a try!
@pedro.gabri3l
7 ай бұрын
Try it, you don't need do now DND to play. to be honest the game is Kinda easy in midium difficult, you don't need to optimize builds to finish it, or try hard it to be playable, just don't be stupid and like play a barbarian with high intelligence and you will be fine haha.
@LadyDoomsinger
7 ай бұрын
My advice is: Don't overthink it. D&D mechanics can be very overwhelming to learn - and even harder to memorize - but the game is pretty casual and forgiving of mistakes, and will even reward experimentation and creative solutions. Sometimes mistakes can even lead the plot in new directions you didn't expect.
@spinozatheobvious626
7 ай бұрын
Try it. On explorer difficulty you can really just ignore most of the technical aspects. Just keep in mind that in the earliest levels you're super squishy: there may be fights that you can better just avoid for a while in your first run until you have leveled up a bit more if you find you wipe. Don't be discouraged by people minmaxing stuff in their KZitem honour run tutorials!
@sinisterplank3113
7 ай бұрын
Larian never compromised on their passion.
@quietandsimple5134
7 ай бұрын
Amazing production, even had a tear in my eye when you told swen´s story, very well done brother x)
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! Is quite a crazy story, so many years to finally succeed!
@Megaphy
6 ай бұрын
God this is so sad. Bioware is the reason I am obsessed with video games.
@notsocasualYT
6 ай бұрын
It is. At least weve got Larian now.
@neggaballs3840
Ай бұрын
@@notsocasualYT Bioware is not dead yet stfu fool
@bunnerkins
7 ай бұрын
6:30 "As they believed that by simplifying the combat and gameplay, more people would enjoy the game". No, they believed that more people would buy the game, and I hate that game developers think this.
@wilczus222
7 ай бұрын
So their closest call was not because of any incompetence but by being fucked by the publisher? Why doesn't that surprise me..?
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Sad but true. I'm glad they made it trough
@qu1253
7 ай бұрын
While BioWare was flourishing in the 2000s, Larian was getting bent over the table by publishers and struggling to keep itself afloat. In the 2020s, Larian is flourishing while BioWare is being gutted by EA.
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Hopefully Bioware will find a way out.
@Wveth
7 ай бұрын
The writing in BG3 has been way better than Larian's previous games, which were great mechanically but the story and characters never gripped me like in BG3. I hope they can continue with this level of story quality.
@blackwolfe638
7 ай бұрын
A great point of Larian's success I don't see mention here or often is one of the biggest differences between Larian and other game studios is how they respond to customers. In early access of BG3 developers from Larian emailed ME twice to talk about what problems I saw with early access play. They respond to customers and CARE what we think and want above all other considerations. Sven is a D&D gamer first and it shows in everything he built.
@morgangriffin9312
6 ай бұрын
Honestly bg3 feels like the spiritual successor of the original dragons age. I loved dragon age but the only good one was the first one.
@notsocasualYT
6 ай бұрын
DAO was awesome.
@noctoi
6 ай бұрын
DA:O and ME were definitely Bioware's peak for me. DA:A had great characters but was a rushed mess, and DA:2 was like DA:A on steroids... the good AND the bad were amplified tenfold. I didn't *mind* DA:I, but it just didn't capture the magic of DA:O. none of the following games have met the "magic" standards of DA:O and ME. The only games that have come close to the wonder and magic of DA:O and ME, are DOS:2 and BG3. I still get goosebumps hearing the theme music from those four games. I STILL play all four of them often... though Bioware games require me to stuff around with Origin client, so I play them much less these days - I HATE that client.
@notsocasualYT
6 ай бұрын
They used to make great games.
@arrelmaximo8942
7 ай бұрын
Am I the only one who read the thumbnail like when you are starting a new game in BG3?
@LosTresPollos7
7 ай бұрын
From the quality of the video, I thought I was watching a channel with a subscriber count of like 100,000-300,000. To see that you have _less than 200_, is a fucking scam. Subbed
@notsocasualYT
7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, I appreciate it
@PsyrenXY
7 ай бұрын
EA is just a symptom of the problem here. The real problem is publishers that are beholden to shareholders and quarterly earnings rather than making solid products with creative energy behind them. The problem is late-stage corporate capitalism.
@JeremyLevi
7 ай бұрын
Hard agree and that's why the advent of crowdfunding coming along was such a huge important step to getting good CRPGs made again starting in the 2010s through today.
@sobienz
7 ай бұрын
Morrigan and Shadowheart are equally awesome and geniously written characters. Tired of people pitting them against. I will romance both in every playthrough even on my deathbed. peace out.
@Astartes-6969
7 ай бұрын
Now imagine a D&D Soulsborne Style game made by Larian Studios. That'd be fantastic.
@Mythic_Harrow
7 ай бұрын
fuck no
@SecksyMan
7 ай бұрын
Publically traded corporations are in the business of making money, not video games. Larian is in the business of making video games. That's the difference.
@ValwithaVee
6 ай бұрын
DA Origins remains the GOAT for me because my laptop can't run BG3
@notsocasualYT
6 ай бұрын
I'm sorry to hear that! Regards of that, DAO is still awesome.
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