I love that Larian made an obviously evil character so damn complex, when they really didn't have to. The natural reaction to hearing her threaten a child is shock, and then the flashbang that she thinks that constitutes a mercy. Minthara is the perfect example of how truly psychologically terrifying it is to be a product of drow society.
@katiatall
7 ай бұрын
❣yes
@Blooddshed
7 ай бұрын
I have another point of view: population of most races in Baldur's Gate 3 has modern human morale mostly and it looks strange for me because technical progress is obviosly around late medieval/early renaissance by looking at weapon and armor. In that case Minthara seems very reasonable if we consider it as late medieval/early renaissance age. There was no children, idea and reality of childhood came to real humanity in 19th century before that they were consider as "little adults". I understand it's fantasy but still I feel uncomfortable seeing medieval tech and modern morale. To conclusion: in my opinion Minthara is not evil if we look from the medieval morale point of view at all. She just desires safety and take control of the Absolute cult is salvation because if you can control anyone - no one can't hurt you or your family/lover.
@chowder130
7 ай бұрын
@@Blooddshed Very astute observations, well said.
@nightwarden
7 ай бұрын
Evil?! You w000t m8?! Mithara is hell of a soft and kind, comparing her sisters from FR novells
@t.t6294
7 ай бұрын
they fucked up by making her an evil only path companion. she would've brought a ton of conflict for a good tav
@Diresilence
7 ай бұрын
The irony here is that she's actually pretty merciful, given her heritage and house. Lolth doesn't really believe in second chances, something that stems to the houses. You have one chance, and then either death or a twisted fate await you
@Domebuddy
6 ай бұрын
its kind of hard to pin down what lolth exactly wants from her followers. She generally favors people being complete disloyal shitbags. Lolth would probably enjoy the idea of maiming a child instead of killing it purely because it will prolong their suffering in the material plane, and giving that child a reason to want revenge.
@funnyratenjoyer2890
6 ай бұрын
She has rejected Lolth at this point in the game. Probably has since being freed from the Absolute's influence as well. If you're Lolth-sworn and talking about Githyanki culture you can comment that it is "similar to ours" and she'll say she no longer follows Lolth. Most likely she sees no possibility of returning to her previous life after all she's done so has given it up.
@BIGESTblade
5 ай бұрын
@@Domebuddy Well, it is not as hard as it first seems. While it is common to think about her as a tyranical overlord that dominates Drow society, the truth of the matter is that she represents chaos and therefore metaphysically awerse to the concept of tyranny, as bizarre as that sounds. Lolth takes a very active role in her worshipers' lives, but she does not give specific orders to follow like Bane would. Lolth specifically rewards duplicity and selfishness, which goes directly against general dogma of her church that demands submission instead. Moreover, drow that actively rebel against her church, like Jarlaxle and Drizzt, are secretly favored by her. Dizzt actively hates her, but she treats him with uncharacteristic warmth and kindness, she even tells him that he amuzes her. I think that is what she really wants. She enjoys watching her followers scramble like ants, but she abhors order and therefore favors people that will destroy it. Drow outcasts of various kinds do have an uncanny ability to draw all sorts of trouble and generally introduce chaos wherever they go weather they want to or not.
@MrViki60
4 ай бұрын
@@funnyratenjoyer2890and that's incredibly ghey. Lloth all the way, I brainwiped Minthara because she had abandonned Lloth in favor of the Absolute.
@02091992able
4 ай бұрын
@@funnyratenjoyer2890 She lost the ability to hear the "spider queen" when she was captured and tadpoled to serve The Absolute. Which is pretty much true as several cases where you can speak to Drow corpses pretty had the same thing happen. The one at Walkeens Rest called Lolth a false god. They even refuse to recite the house they belonged to.
@LAZERAK47V2
6 ай бұрын
I don't know what's more shocking: That someone *dared* attempt an assassination of a Baenre, that her mother protected her, or that a female Drow from Menzoberranzan unironically understands the concept of mercy and trust.
@matthewgagnon9426
6 ай бұрын
Drow will absolutely protect their children. They're the proof of their ability to procreate, and a drow that can't protect their children is either weak or a coward. At least when they're babies. If they're old enough to hold a dagger they're on their own.
@ArturoSM01
6 ай бұрын
Hearing drows talking about menzobarranzan makes me want a dlc where we can explore it
@AndyMacster
6 ай бұрын
Larian really said "it's not good vs evil, it's their way of life vs ours, because what is good depends on who you ask"
@shanefioritti3406
6 ай бұрын
drow kill their own children and enslave many races in service to a objectively evil goddess, this isn't a "let people enjoy things" scenario
@Theology.101
6 ай бұрын
… but also maybe we can teach her about unconditional love free of fear?
@greyngreyer5
4 ай бұрын
And that is a dangerous and naive stance to have, sorry. Just think about muslims. You think they're just "different", but they literally want to enslave you and openly say so.
@accessthemainframe4475
3 ай бұрын
nah Drow society is abhorrent on the face of it
@magnarcreed3801
2 ай бұрын
@@accessthemainframe4475 To you. To them you’re just weak cattle.
@Thyralon
6 ай бұрын
Makes me wish we could see Menzoberranzan in Baldur's Gate 3.
@AnneOmimus7531
6 ай бұрын
Maybe in BG4 if we’re lucky. Minthara and Menzoberranzan are so compelling
@Lt.ArloMek
6 ай бұрын
I’d stay away from that den of sin even if it was there.
@Mira-K
6 ай бұрын
With massive arachnophobia- anything BUT Menzoberranzan 😅
@notphotogenic4552
Ай бұрын
@@Mira-K cope, surface-dweller. /j
@catalinbostan3542
7 ай бұрын
Minthara's about 250 years old. Drow live as long as any other -elf- surface darthiir,but they have the same virility of the younger races,like humans. Minthara and her mother became adults at 18-20 yo... I just wonder how old is Minthara's mother...even living past 50 in Drow Society is like an achievement itself,staying alive is another one,becoming old is yet another one....and becoming OLD and POWERFUL is a testament in itself...
@NeoDMC
7 ай бұрын
Wouldn't her Mother or Grandmother have to be Quenthel at this point? I don't see any of Triel's kids living long with how paranoid Quenthel was and she said her mother is alive so it either has to be Quenthel or one of Quenthel's daughters.
@Apillis124
6 ай бұрын
For elves reaching "maturity", ie getting passed puberty into adulthood is roughly around 100-120 years of age--it's all right there in the player's handbook unchanged for literal decades through editions. So, many many many drow reach beyond 50 years old quite commonly, otherwise they'd have gone extinct millennia ago.
@mulberrywolf
6 ай бұрын
@@Apillis124 To be fair, the handbook states that elves age at approximately the same rate as humans until reaching physical maturity, and only then slow down. Likely means they are physically aging the same rate for about 20-25 years. "Although elves reach physical maturity at about the same age as humans, the elven understanding of adulthood goes beyond physical growth to encompass worldly experience." So they finish puberty around the same time as humans, they just are not considering adults in elven society until much later, because they also include experience and understanding as part of maturity and adulthood.
@Logandroid
6 ай бұрын
@@Apillis124elves go through puberty around the same time as humans, they aren’t literally children for the first 100 years. the “maturity” the books talk about is a unique concept in elven culture because they live so long, so it’s more about them gathering 100 years worth of life experiences than anything physical.
@jeremytitus9519
6 ай бұрын
“Also, you’re a boy. Even as a noble you’re a member of the underclass. There is no reason why we’d encounter one another, outside of inter house warfare.”
@Blooddshed
6 ай бұрын
Still necessity of marriages between houses for alliances leads for banquets/meetings where young people could know each other. At worst forced marriage if it will be very valuable for both houses.
@tj3603
7 ай бұрын
I was blown away by her, even with limited interactions in comparison to other companions she is such an awesome character. Totally ruthless, practical and ambitious, cunning, but direct, sincere and loyal. She have some of the most voulnerable and touching moments of entire game, but never came off as weak. Like when other scardy cats like Astarion or Shadowheart open up, you want to cuddle them in soft blankets, because they are little babies. With Minthara it's more like holy shit, I'm better not mess with her, because she already survived so much heart break, but still kept ability to love. Only mad strong individual is capable of this, and she is a keeper.
@plaguedoctor2882
5 ай бұрын
Honestly surprised to agree with the scaredy cat comments as well haha, Shadowheart and Astarion are pretty cutthroat at times but both are indeed very vulnerable people (Shadowheart recurring theme is that she is a very shitty Sharran 😭 and Astarion on act 1 tells on himself when he in the middle of teasing you with endearments he says I love you and looks miserable for it), Minthrara however??? Another level indeed!
@tj3603
5 ай бұрын
@@plaguedoctor2882 yeah, SH and Astarion may put out rough exterior, but once you know them better it becomes obvious they are extremely fragile and may crumble to pieces if you hurt them, so they hide it with jokes and sarcasm, holding you at arms length for longest time. But Minthara wearing her heart on her sleeve, telling you what she is afraid of and how much you mean to her directly, presenting you with trust as badge of honor. You know if you betray that trust she will be disappointed, but she definitely survive. Probably this is what makes her so appealing, she don't need you to save her from herself, once she is free from outside influence, she becomes an unapologetic badass, and it's hot.
@BIGESTblade
5 ай бұрын
Her loyalty seems out of place. it is a very rare thing in drow society. Usually because loyalty would get her killed in Menzoberanzan.
@tj3603
5 ай бұрын
@@BIGESTblade not really, her loyalty is hard to earn, and it makes sense she's holding on to few people she knows she can trust in this crazy and chaotic world.
@BIGESTblade
5 ай бұрын
@@tj3603 Can she though? Minthara is useful but keeping her around after everything's done isn't very good for you.
@CPTHAP
6 ай бұрын
Wow. This is legitimately why Minthara acts the way she does, and she only tells you if you're a Drow Noble? Really bold for Larian to hide it behind such a specific dialogue option. You would never know otherwise.
@Mira-K
6 ай бұрын
Most of this, except the details about how you're both drow nobles she talks regardless, if you get along with her
@charlesboots6508
4 ай бұрын
1st playthrough Drow wasn't noble, so he got "I grew up there, but my upbringing was different than yours."
@thatguy6252
4 ай бұрын
Not really, I got most of this conversation with her during my origin Wyll run
@blankeon6613
5 ай бұрын
Minthara is actually quite kind and sympathetic compared to most Drow nobles. Sure she is willing to be brutal but not just for amusement, it has to be for a good reason.
@JasonAstraea
7 ай бұрын
She definitely have something noble about her. Thanks for sharing.
@user-tx9ci5xv8d
5 ай бұрын
Minthara feels like the most well written character in the game, like she comes from another culture with a completely different mentality that you can get glimpses of from talking with her.
@nightwarden
7 ай бұрын
Well if compare her with her sisters from books - Minthara is soooo much kinder and gentle for a drow female from first house. Even Sos'Upmtu is more sinister than her...
@jesustejeda4908
6 ай бұрын
I like when Emma Gregory says mean things.
@choryllis6646
7 ай бұрын
Min: "I stg I'll chop off the hand of the next person that tries to pickpocket me." Tav: "Please don't hurt kids." Min: "I'm right there with you. I would never DREAM of hurting kids! I'm both slightly offended you think that of me, and wholly glad we're on the same page."
@shinewherethouwillandthouh7455
7 ай бұрын
By "Second chance", she means "Chance to live without your hands". Her reaction is basically, "What kind of *animal* do you take me for, I wouldn't kill them! I just want them to learn their lesson! So I'd cut off their hands!"
@beepy6161
6 ай бұрын
It's a bit misleading, but the highlighted dialogue is not the one the op selected, tav asked "why not take it's head?"
@02091992able
4 ай бұрын
@@shinewherethouwillandthouh7455 Well don't get caught stealing in some middle eastern cultures as they do cut off hands in more than a few of them. It's usually the right hand.
@WhatBigClawsYouHave
5 ай бұрын
I love her looks, her voice, her personality omg ❤
@slimey_frog-1015
7 ай бұрын
Funny, I got similar dialogue without the noble background as a female Seldarine drow, it was just "I was born there" and she doesn't have the part about you being an aristocrat.
@Vandriar
6 ай бұрын
It sucks we can't make history checks to determine if we crossed paths with said companion before, especially if you grew up in the same city/had the same background.
@FalconWindblader
14 күн бұрын
History checks don't work that way though, even if it's all about recalling stuff. it's a check reserved exclusively for historical knowledge, reserved for things in the far past that mostly aren't relevant to the present day anymore, not facial recognition of someone you may have met in the past.
@Vandriar
14 күн бұрын
@@FalconWindblader Sure. Still would've been cool to make some sort of check to see if you've crossed paths with certain companions if you grew up in the same city/had the same background.
@medhurst4
6 ай бұрын
Emma Gregory did an amazing job voicing Minthara
@vintagedoctor7128
6 ай бұрын
she actually tells u her lifestory even if ur not a drow noble. but i think when u have high enough affinity with her. tho i never thought u would have a different interaction if u were a drow noble. honestly minthara is one of my favorite characters just because shes so obviously evil but well thought out and caring. she was the perfect companion for my evil durge. but even so, i love how she learns to respect boundaries and respect your tav as a person when she wouldnt before. rescuing her from the absolutes clutches really was the best thing that happened her. the only thing is u gotta choose between her and karlach and thats a tough choice
@davidmelgar1197
4 ай бұрын
Its such an interesting indictment of Lolthian drow society that the Absolute cult was probably a step up, morally, for Minthara and Nere. Sorta like how, without knowing tbe truth, "she" seems like a better goddess to the goblins than Maglubiyet ever was.
@UgandanWarriorofHell
7 ай бұрын
shes perfect 😍😍😍😍
@RRRRRRRRR33
4 ай бұрын
Hope in the near future Larian juice up the Minthara content, while making her more accessible for "lawful good" playthroughs. It would be nice if we could hire that Hobgoblin as well, more evil characters in general
@viniciusmelo8010
2 ай бұрын
The cool thing is, you could still have this dialogue even if you're not a noble drow, the way you reach the dialogue, that is, it's what's different My bard drow said that he was curious about Minthara's life since he, as an artist, had a very different life than her's The attention to detail in this game is astonishing
@Outlaw8908
4 ай бұрын
God hearing of the Drow capital again after so long away from reading the Forgotten Realms books… Fond memories, especially my father handing me fantasy books to read on my spare time. Dragonlance was also among them too. Should make a Drow character for this game.
@ShebbyYT
6 ай бұрын
Ive yet to ever get Minthara on my side either because I haven't made a evil character that sides with her in Act 1 or haven't knocked her out in my combat encounter but man her character is so cool.
@DanteD84
7 ай бұрын
She’s sooo careful. My “Dark Urge” character Playthrough would beg to differ 😂
@R4V3NU5
7 ай бұрын
I can't say no to that puppy eyes 😭😭😭
@ProfaneVestige
5 ай бұрын
WAIT WHAT SHE'S A BAENRE?
@Labetalol_2
6 ай бұрын
This scene is really good if you read the legend of drizit homeland
@EnclaveTank45
6 ай бұрын
I really like minthara.
@teardeem
6 ай бұрын
I need to read the dark elf trilogy again
@TheodoricFriede
6 ай бұрын
Such an underrated character. Its understandable why, recruiting her locked you out of so much content. Im glad Larian seems to be on the path of making her more easily recruit-able.
@brreakfastYT
6 ай бұрын
I love all of that except that last line. I don't think they needed to literally spell it out that much
@denethorsmackinonmatoes6800
5 ай бұрын
Okay so she was almost killed while suckling at the teat of the woman who would eventually try to inflict murther uponst her, but she ended up ventilating her attacker, who is confirmed to be her mother, and suspected to be alive. Uh, they dont teach us this shit in psychiatry school, so im just going to suggest she roll with it.
@Nugnugnug
6 ай бұрын
There's about twenty candidates from the lore for Minthara's mother. But I doubt hers was the Matron Mother, if only because I can think of only a single example of a drow who assaulted a matron mother and survived to become an exile, and he is a much more skilled combatant than Minthara.
@goncalocarneiro3043
6 ай бұрын
Recall that the tadpoles completely screwed up people's power and skill. The worst offender is probably Gale, who was probably close to level 17 before getting dunked on and reverting to level 1. She may not be such an extreme case, but I wouldn't put it past her to have been an absolute (ah ah) nightmare before getting infected.
@TheKolboShow
5 ай бұрын
"and he is a much more skilled combatant than Minthara" You may be right, but after having Minthara in my party for as long as I have and seeing what she is capable of, I think she might very well be capable of matching Drizzt's own immense skills, given enough room to grow. Surviving encounters with an Avatar of Myrkul and his Chosen, an Elder Brain, Sarevok Anchev and a powerful devil in his own home is nothing to scoff at. And, I mean, she is a monster in combat. Granted, all paladins are, but honestly she is an absolute beast.
@DavZeugme
7 ай бұрын
I feel like her last sentence should have been concluded with a "... bitch".
@HessianLikeTheFabric
6 ай бұрын
A BAENRE? That explains a lot
@noitsbecky1278
7 ай бұрын
Is this the only example of background-specific dialogue in the game? I’ve never encountered any others.
@lokiserpentem8534
6 ай бұрын
yeah fr cuz i was a noble and didnt see squat for act 1 and 2
@atimidbirb
3 ай бұрын
Bruh your Tav is v e r y handsome
@swashhustler1326
6 ай бұрын
Holy shit. As in Jarlaxle Baenre???
@nalrashido
6 ай бұрын
Bingo.
@korgclips868
Ай бұрын
what about for a seldarine drow Noble?
@lokiserpentem8534
6 ай бұрын
I thought backgrounds never had Dialogue, I never noticed any Noble stuff during my first playthrough is this just really niche?
@nightwarden
7 ай бұрын
Well... Ivonelle Baenre(Minthara's mother) still lives... But there is a one nuance...
@twofacedmgrim
7 ай бұрын
Got to hear a bit of banter between Gale and Minthara where he asks her if some empty bottles around camp are hers, she tells Gale that she's been using them to increase Tav's tolerance to poison, just in case they visit her home.
@nightwarden
7 ай бұрын
@@twofacedmgrim lol, Minthara herself needs some sedatives depending what fucked up shit she'd see...
@Qaeta
7 ай бұрын
Yvonnel, and I haven't seen anything to suggest Minthara is a direct descendent of any named Baenre nobles. Likely the scion of a lesser unnamed noble.
@ant3910
7 ай бұрын
I like that despite drow women are privileged, they still demanded to be strong themselves not hiding in their meat shield (drow men). Or maybe just Minthara’s family
@nalrashido
6 ай бұрын
House Baenre practically *_owns_* Menzoberranzan. I imagine that in a society of Social Darwinist sociopaths the Drow of House Baenre are made of sterner stuff.
@matthewgagnon9426
6 ай бұрын
Drow women are canonically bigger and stronger than the men. There's of course exceptions.
@ant3910
6 ай бұрын
@@matthewgagnon9426 not in this game tho because Minthara is turns out the smallest even among Shadowheart and Lae’zel and the girl twin courtesan is smaller than her brother
@mattheusser1390
4 ай бұрын
Zach Morriss the drow?
@SvrakaMagpie
7 ай бұрын
Which armour is this on Minthara? Its so beautiful
@ashrins6403
7 ай бұрын
Ketheric Thorm armor
@namethefifth7315
7 ай бұрын
Wouldn't you belive it, its actually not mod armour this time its kethric thorms armour
@SvrakaMagpie
7 ай бұрын
@@ashrins6403thank you!!
@SvrakaMagpie
7 ай бұрын
@@namethefifth7315that's great because it is absolutely poppin', can't wait to finish Act 2 to get this 🙏thank you!
@user-mu8dm4rk7g
7 ай бұрын
@@SvrakaMagpieyou're in for a treat, buddy! The beginning of Act 3 is even nuttier than that.
@nalrashido
6 ай бұрын
Wait shes a Drow from House Baenre? Is her mother Yvonnel Baenre or Quenthel Baenre?
@andrew-song
6 ай бұрын
Given Minthara’s age (which is around 270 years or so, though I could be wrong), I would assume her mother is Quenthel.
@jhorbirnlokrisson6528
6 ай бұрын
Minthara isn't true evil.. i think she can come to be a quite the redeeming character is guided right.
@rockchik409
6 ай бұрын
She is, shes just a really good example of how high functioning lawful evil alignment is. Evil alignments don't have to be unempathetic psychopaths. Evil alignments tend to be geared towards selfishness, power, and ends justify the means.
@pitbulxdeaa
5 ай бұрын
Bro I want a drow city dlc
@Chimly_Stonefoot
6 ай бұрын
I’m curious, does she only have this conversation with a fellow Lolth-sworn Drow? I mean, I’m a bit shaky on Forgotten Realms lore but I assume Seldarine drow can’t live in Menzoberranzan 🤔
@RosemaryCemetery
6 ай бұрын
If you're a seldarine drow you get the option to tell her you lived there, but she wont talk about all the houses and stuff to you
@Chimly_Stonefoot
6 ай бұрын
@@RosemaryCemetery ah okay interesting 🤔
@02091992able
4 ай бұрын
Seldarine Drow are the mortal enemies if the Lolth sworn Drow. Seldarine Drow work with surface folks all the time they themselves spend more time above ground then the Lolth Sworn do.
@Achuidian179
7 ай бұрын
No offense but I prefer her background explanation to the player not as a noble. But thanks for showing us this!
@mikeschlosser349
7 ай бұрын
I’m pretty sure it’s only combined with the Drow (I’m guessing Lolth) race option. Like if you specifically go Lolth Drow Noble is what I’m trying to convey.
@user-mu8ok5xf8d
7 ай бұрын
How did you get her in act one
@herbalplant
7 ай бұрын
this is in the beginning of act 3
@PaulRGauthier
6 ай бұрын
Tell her where the grove is and raid it with her. In other words: be evil.
@jetlagged3645
6 ай бұрын
@@PaulRGauthier just a PSA you can get her in a good playthrough if you KO her instead of kill.
@ViralC1
6 ай бұрын
@@jetlagged3645 I'm quite annoyed that they only added that in this late. I tried the KO route in my second playthrough and was really sad when it just treated her as if she was dead. Made me question why KO was even an option if it was just gonna treat NPCs as dead anyway. There were even situations where I tried to resolve them peacefully by knocking attackers out, but then dialogue would trigger where i get accused of killing them.
@stupidfuck4662
6 ай бұрын
A under dark drow dlc with driders and drow society would be sick
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