Since it has not been mentioned yet and I just came across this video, I just wanted to point out that the engraving at 1:05 is from a book on the life of German university students published in in 1725. What you can see in it is German fencing of the time, which was very different from French fencing.
@thegrimmreader3649
2 жыл бұрын
Danke!!
@RememberRox
9 жыл бұрын
I love the blue outfit, looks really nice.
@that0nerandomperson374
6 жыл бұрын
RememberRox It really does!!!!! Perhaps I should just put something like that on one day and walk around in it, just because!! Pfff hahahah
@herrbrucvald6376
6 жыл бұрын
Ballet began in the Italian Renaissance courts of the 15th and 16th centuries. Ballet spread from Italy to France with the help of Catherine de' Medici, where ballet developed even further under her aristocratic influence. An early example of Catherine's development of ballet is through 'Le Paradis d' Amour', a piece of work presented at her daughter's wedding, Marguerite de Valois to Henry of Navarre.
@noricoco4695
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, but Louis established the first formalized standards and the first ballet company, therefore, in the given context, ballet as they know it was the product of the French court. They're not performing Italian Renaissance ballet moves... 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
@linobonnici8362
8 жыл бұрын
The Ballet is an Italian invention in the 15th century, before 200 years ago from the Ballet in the Louis XIV court in France.
@sonjatravick9001
7 жыл бұрын
So correct!! When I teach my students about Ballet History we always start with ITALY!!!!! Catherine de' Medici!!!
@linobonnici8362
7 жыл бұрын
Sonja Travick Yes that true, as Catherine de' Medici who was brough the ballet into France.
@noricoco4695
5 жыл бұрын
But Louis established the first ballet standards and the first ballet company, taking what was a dance for Italian aristocracy and developing it into something far more complex, giving rise to ballet as we know it.
@ganikus8565
3 жыл бұрын
Actually no, the balletto is not Ballet. Balletto was performance for events and it was a show of dancers, singers, poets, comedy, drama The French king of course was educated to the Italian balletto but he created his own dancing art which became Ballet and had nothing to do with balletto
@Tallykoren
9 жыл бұрын
Your work and wisdom inspired me through the years to fulfil my dreams - Thanks you & Happy New Year !
@romalevy4066
3 жыл бұрын
The dancers should be using a foil or epee. The sabre is one of the three weapons used in modern fencing, but it originated as a cavalry weapon for use on horseback.
@robinceuleers
10 ай бұрын
I love swordplay of the 18th century. Because it's so majestic and a piece of art!
@Kata397533
10 жыл бұрын
Thank you ROH!
@kenmondschein7652
10 жыл бұрын
With all respect due to Mme. Hageli, I've been studying the history of fencing (and practicing the art) for some time, and I'm afraid I don't know about any boots-the feet are turned out because it is more biomechanically efficient for the lunge. There is evidence for specialized fencing shoes, but nothing I am aware of for fencing in boots. Other quibbles: The dancers' movement is not correct for baroque fencing, but rather looks like modern ballet. Further, though they have beautiful costumes, they are not using the proper weapon for the court of Louis XIV, but rather cheap reproductions of 19th century sabres. While I am not an expert on the history of dancing, and would not presume to comment on that subject, I am somewhat knowledgeable about the history of fencing.
@kerrytakashi12
8 жыл бұрын
+Ken Mondschein I've taken fencing as well and the core of it is in all the basic positions of ballet. The turn out is not only for lunges but it helps quicker footwork when shifting from side to side. The boots were merely fashion since at the time, when ballet was born from this martial art, the men wore high heeled boots and shoes.
@opalskyartwork
5 жыл бұрын
Kerry Takashi As far as I know men wore heels to elongate their legs because strong legs were a feature they were quite proud of.
@pavlaki1
5 жыл бұрын
Actually, Ursula said,"One theory is..."
@noricoco4695
5 жыл бұрын
As for the boots and turn out, she was quoting Belinda Quirey. While I've not heard of you, perhaps you're more of an expert on the matter that Quirey. Hageli wasn't stating Quirey's assessment as fact, but rather merely a theory (and one which I don't believe we'd be able to confirm). It's also a bit nitpicky to complain about the style of sword and so on when the entire purpose of the presentation was how fencing, in the court of Louis XIV, contributed to the evolution of ballet under the French. So... of course it's going to look like ballet given the context.
@NOONE-cd4gu
4 жыл бұрын
The purpose was not to show accurate information of their clothes and swords but rather a connection of ballet and fencing
@carlosvisintin3154
10 жыл бұрын
GREAT!!!!I love RBallet videos!!! =D
@nnbk_fornow
5 жыл бұрын
Super cool to learn about.
@louiselins
10 жыл бұрын
Not too much!!! :D
@elleromanovafermanpevel2127
7 жыл бұрын
love that video, the costumes everything
@TheSaranda100
10 жыл бұрын
Love this! :-)
@daffo595
10 жыл бұрын
LUV IT
@NOONE-cd4gu
4 жыл бұрын
This was so cool
@great_god_pan
7 жыл бұрын
I do not really understand where the ballet is here? It is strange to analyze the ballet of the times of Louis XIV on example of a fencing school. Compare at least the difficult solo dance "Entrée d´Apollon" (1700), where in it something of fencing?
@zohraghezaili7564
2 жыл бұрын
Dommage que la quasi totalité de la vidéo, ait été consacrée à des commentaires, au lieu de nous montrer les danseurs !!!
@outsidersongs2682
2 жыл бұрын
Would women also have danced at this place and time? If anyone knows. I am a writer trying to get a sense of women and ballet prior to 1810.
@bibstic7107
8 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid
@Kolly_er
8 жыл бұрын
yea that was honestly really cool
@jennjenn2957
4 жыл бұрын
Cool
@kayleecromling7132
10 жыл бұрын
i winced a bit when she pronounced "loove-ruh"...
@ellie5636
8 жыл бұрын
+Kaylee Cromling Her pronunciation is atrocious most of the time o__o extremely cringey
@kayleecromling7132
8 жыл бұрын
anfalas haha well i didn't want to be too hard on her, and louvre was the most bothersome for me xD
@hmmmhmmm6178
6 жыл бұрын
Well, yes it‘s not perfect but better than most American‘s pronounciation, who often pronounce it terribly like „loov“
@annelijonssonannelijonsson
4 жыл бұрын
beutiful
@jeneencleare6230
5 жыл бұрын
The more you know!
@NorthernHistory
5 жыл бұрын
Hmm, I see several faults with this interpretation from a fencing perspective. Fencing at Louis' court was not highly stylized, it was highly specialized. Around this time the aristocrats started to fence with the smallsword, a shorter rapier that was designed to thrust to kill. The actual technique behind using this weapon is highly specialized in that it is designed to present a narrow target to the opponent at the same time using the point to present a threat. It still has sound mechanics behind it that rely on self-defence, judgement, calmness and balance. Nobody would initially learn to ponce around like a ballet dancer in fight, because that would essentially get them killed. This is maybe why fencing was regarded above dancing as an art. Second is: nobody in this presentation shows some actual fencing.
@noricoco4695
5 жыл бұрын
How do so many people fail to appreciate context? Seeing as you're clearly an expert on fencing that happens to be patroling youtube comments.. I'd imagine you'd have some understanding of the role of context, especially in the fields of history and anthropology. For example, this is a casual presentation on how ballet was influenced by fencing. This is not an exhaustive, historical recreation of fencing during the time of Louis XIV (which you seem to be a leading expert on?). Thus, in the given context, your expert opinion informed by decades of study would not actually be relevant, as they're not examining the finer points of fencing and the use of a rapier to kill (for example) but rather the ways in which the appreciation for the art of fencing influenced the art of ballet, which was formalized and developed into something more like the classical ballet we know today. I'd love to read some of your published works on the history of fencing though, since you're an authority on the matter.
@NorthernHistory
5 жыл бұрын
@@noricoco4695 Hi Nicolette. I dont claim to be an authority on dancing, but I know something about fencing, and the point I made is more nuanced. I can see that fencing inspired dancing, but it is more difficult for aesthetics to enter into fencing, as they also have to have some martial value. It is not impossible and I definetly agree with the notion that dancing and fencing influenced eachother, but Ursula makes some very strange leaps of logic when she presents two ballet dancers (with the wrong type of swords, by the way) as being fencers at the court of Louis XIV. I have read the fencing book written for Louis, and it is actually quite different. The problem here is that she makes fencing seem like a pure aesthetic exercise under Louis XIV, which it assuredly was not. And she makes a serious historical presentation of her case, so I am allowed to state an opinion? If she was only half-serious, she would say so. Patrolling youtube comments? I was merely offering my opinion, and that is I think her main argument is flawed. Would you rather I make a video or publish a book so I can appear more of an authority to you? Since that seems to be what you are so much after.
@nadiamargueritelaarif8662
Жыл бұрын
Mmm why the I am god topic though? Louis XVI was believing himself to be the sun /god sun? Didn’t get that if anyone knows thanks
@Porzuc_Ateizm
4 жыл бұрын
kurła kiedyś to były pojedynki! nie to co teraz, teraz to nie ma kultury !
@AvaBrownMysylph
9 жыл бұрын
I do not see any connection between fencing and ballet unless you have the idea that you can just create historical references of your own accord for the purposes of re-educating the world about fencing and ballet, at whatever the cost to truth. Perhaps to make ballet more of a sport and not an art-and draw more males to it by lying to them. Though it is a lovely conception and might be termed "a dance" and easily choreographed into ballet, one would wonder why they created ballet at all if they could not just include fencing and elaborate on that in opera and other entertainment extravaganzas, or why they would create an academy of ballet, which incorporated art and not sport. Aside from the fact that it is not mentioned at all in any of the books on ballet of the time, or dance, in any country, I do not know where you are drawing these references from, particularly whr the pointed foot and the turned out foot has historically been given credit to Catherine d"Medici, and not Louis the XIV (her descendant), in a number of other texts (and in French) and in history, turnout was already clearly established. It was thought that it was primarily because physiologically people would not perform the movements in ballet without "turning out" and because the view of these movements, from the audience, was not clear if not turned out. Tripping over ones boot flaps is humorous, but simply not true! I was also not aware, either that boots were used for fencing, unless you are only familiar with swashbuckling scenes from The Three Muskateers, and I agree that it was not so stylized, as actual and real fighting (not stage fighting) would result in DEATH if one was just poncing around and posing, as you suggest. As you are undertaking to educate the public here, I find something wrong with mis-educating them to make yourselves more popular and possibly to take advantage of their apparent gullibility. With power comes responsibility!
@kerrytakashi12
8 жыл бұрын
+Ava Brown Have you ever fenced? The positions of fencing are the basic positions of ballet. Including the arm work! I know, I've done both.
@Warrendoe
8 жыл бұрын
Read " Apollos Angels" A complete and very detailed history of ballet...there is much more to it than either of you have said.!
@LucianCorrvinus
4 жыл бұрын
While the wieghr toubgive your thoughts in how iys historically incorrect, ate taken uo by others, keys talk subtext. Tou imply ballet is not masculine and dance itself to be "pomcey". Here's a challahe , go to a valley class, it will only take one,and try to follow along. You'll soon find it to be difficult, exerting, perniciously exacting and would to engage in it, a discipline of the order of any sport out there ... Men in ballet may be sometimes queer, but you try dead lifting and then dropping a female into what is called " the fish" and get back to me about it being poncey....
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