How can we come to the unity of faith unless we put Jesus first and foremost in our relationship with all Born Again believers ?
@NikolasAmodeo
8 жыл бұрын
Fantastic. Well said.
@discipleprojectoutreach
8 жыл бұрын
Take a row boat not a speed boat. Exactly.
@ancadan9935
Жыл бұрын
"You might do yoga"?? 😮
@martinchristian597
5 жыл бұрын
i am sorry you can't have a host of each people from all these tradition in your church. I have been to one those and the ppl in charge are usually are either Catholic or Anglican. Its hard to gather new people by saying your a catholic or Anglican church so they do these back hand kind of thing. You could even say it is kind of deceptive because there i am from baptist background strongly leaning towards holy spirit and this so call a mix church starting reading ancient high anglican liturgy so after few weeks i had to go.
@michaelcaza-schonberger9282
4 жыл бұрын
Martin Christian just because you disagree with the premise of what this pastor is talking about, doesn’t make him a liar, nor does it make anything said backhanded, nor does it make the church you visited backhanded. Just because your preference is to have a more, shall we say, less structured liturgy, doesn’t make what you say correct! You are allowing your personal liturgical preference dictate how God should move in a service. I was raised as an Orthodox Jew, and I came to faith in a baptist church plant that was affiliated with the Southern Baptist Messianic Fellowship. The pastor was Jewish and he referred himself as a Jewish Bapticostal as he did receive the baptism in the Spirit and before he joined the SBC, he was a youth pastor at an Assemblies of God (which is a Pentecostal denomination) congregation in Houston Texas. We incorporated elements of Jewish liturgy into our services on Saturday’s as well as on the other Jewish holidays. Worship was so freeing, even though there was liturgy involved. It was the only baptist congregation in Calgary Alberta where dancing, clapping, tongues, prophetic words, and healing took place regularly. The word “liturgia” appears in Scripture (Acts), and refers to the work of the people as the pastor in the video states. Whether you like it or not, all churches are liturgical, some are more formal, some are more lax, but each service is structured. I have seen the Spirit move powerfully in a “bells and smells” high church service, as much as I’ve seen the Spirit move in my own Pentecostal church and the Pentecostal Bible School I got my Pastoral theology degree from. For you to claim you are leaning more toward the Holy Spirit yet making such disparaging remarks is disheartening. Throughout my four years of school, I had the opportunity to be apart of a church that was ripe with High Anglican liturgy (including the incense and the bells), but was completely charismatic and evangelical. The pastor (who was ordained in the Church of England), her husband, and congregation left the very liberal and heretical Anglican “church” of Canada (which started as an extension of the Church of England before our dominions confederation), and didn’t fit into the mold of the ANiC because of their stance on baptism and rejection of the unbiblical infant baptism. As well as the belief that the office of priest is for all believers not just those who are ordained (based on 1 Peter 1-2), makes them a nondenominational prayer book church. They believe fully that the charismata are still for the church today, and that the universal communion of saints alive today are a continuation of the church of Acts. They’ve seen their church grow from 100 strong to 300 on a Sunday. So for you to say that it’s hard for them to gather new people by saying one is Catholic or Anglican, or liturgical is the lie. The Anglican Church in North America (to which the ANiC (Anglican Network in Canada) is a diocese of), is growing fast. The church of all saints, the nondenominational church I mentioned, is more in line with the essential truths and statement of faith of the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada (PAOC), then they are any other denomination/fellowship. Their services have all the feels of a traditional “high church” service, except theirs a song service before the start of liturgy, before the sermon and after the Gospel procession, recession, and before the prayers of the people, confession of sin, and liturgy of the Eucharist. Sometimes a service will be 2 hours, sometimes longer, depending on how the Spirit wants to move that day. I’m a pastor with the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada, I am also a liturgy lover. The senior pastors of the church I serve in (they’re a husband and wife team, and also credentialed with the PAOC, and were raised in Pentecostal households) also love liturgy. If liturgy is done right, there’s nothing wrong with it. A man or woman who inserts their preferences of worship tradition and declares that this is the only way a meeting of saints should take place so that God can move in the lives of people, is guilty of putting God into a box and dictating to the Holy Trinity should move. Who are you to say what’s right and what’s wrong, based on your preference?! I’m a lover of the BCP, and it is my go to in my private prayer life, however I still allow the Spirit time to move, and that is the difference between people just going through the motions and one who clearly has a relationship with the Almighty! People in less formal liturgical traditions can be just as guilty of going through the motions as well, and there are some congregations within the evangelical circle (Baptists, Pentecostals, Evangelical Free, and so forth) that don’t have new people coming in. The church I’m apart of now, is a merger of two PAOC churches, my church that went from 150-350 in two years, and a church that was quickly dying (it had a building, but only 50 people on a Sunday). We now are between 650 and 700 on a given Sunday. I would refrain from judgement if I were you, as your judgement is not correct.
@Psalm144.1
4 жыл бұрын
Respectfully Sir, It says he is the Pastor of of Trinity Anglican Church. We expect Anglican liturgy there. I have a 1956 and 1975 Baptist hymnal. They have lots of church calendar themed scripture based liturgies to draw from. However, many Baptist churches feel more comfortable with 3-4 songs, 1-2 prayers and a sermon. That is fine because it is also Biblical. For me personally, it's not enough. I could easily create a liturgical worship service (within the theology of the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith) using only Baptist hymnals. It would be more fulfilling and give deeper meaning/understanding to worshiping God. There is nothing wrong with a. reading stand alone scripture in church, b. praying scripture, c. responsive readings of psalms, d. corporate confession of sins, and e. ancient prayers of the church (once a church can handle the a-d).
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