One of the best ever portrayals of an abusive and uncomfortable mother - daughter relationship - with sexual and infantile undertones I have ever seen
@gabriellarose6740
2 жыл бұрын
@@csteveneven i dont understand how it could be any more obvious honestly. did the writer or director ever clarify?
@dhsf5937
2 жыл бұрын
@@csteveneven as someone that was abused I can feel that you are right.
@dhsf5937
2 жыл бұрын
@@gabriellarose6740 It makes sense, the weird way her mother takes her clothes off, the fact that she hates her mother for another reason that we don't know, the scene where she wakes up and is scared to see her mother in the room, the cartoon scene, the reason why she can't explore her sexuality and see it as a traumatic experience, I feel like she's been touched before.
@musicandpoetry_8
Жыл бұрын
@@csteveneven it just seems like she was extremely domineering and over protective..maybe I’m dumb but I don’t get a sexual abuse undertone at all
@tonicody4712
Жыл бұрын
What do you mean? When you say Sexual infinite undertones?? Please Explain??🤔
@notaccessible3741
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, classic manipulation tactic. Love how it only takes 44 seconds to show that their relationship is toxic.
@Maludosgatos
3 жыл бұрын
What do you mean?
@notaccessible3741
3 жыл бұрын
This scene quickly and easily captures the heavy amount of manipulation and pressure in Nina’s relationship with her mother.
@brunettewithglasses
Жыл бұрын
@@Maludosgatos the whole "then its garbage" thing. she purposely makes nina feel bad (and probably afraid) because she didn't want any cake, her mother takes it personal and instills control by making her feel guitly
@Butterflywings011
4 жыл бұрын
That's the perfect example of a ovbaring, controlling, manipulative mother.
@renanel8915
4 жыл бұрын
Fucking narcissist is what she is. 😡
@skeleton_nc8075
3 жыл бұрын
My mom is like that
@triciajohansen3027
2 жыл бұрын
Momster
@stephaniemc9948
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, and this scene gives me anxiety just watching it.
@rahdidewin2970
2 жыл бұрын
Ovbaring
@hindsightpov4218
4 жыл бұрын
The mom is seriously nuts. She either has some personality disorder or could have a mental illness. It wouldn’t surprise me if Nina inherited something off from her mother and that’s why she was having all those hallucinations.
@Notolderthanyou
3 жыл бұрын
but at the same time that the mother is a little bit overreactive to everything, she takes care of nina like a child, trying to protect her because she knows that nina is more help than she does. For example even after nina crushes her moms fingers by slamming the door, she still shows up to her performance
@gingerisevil02
3 жыл бұрын
I think she’s a narcissist
@yamato6114
3 жыл бұрын
@@Notolderthanyou Have you notice that despite having clear mental issues and engaging in harmful behaviors such as self harm and disordered eating, Nina does not have a therapist? I think her mother is trying to exploit her mental health issues as a method of controlling her. Not to mention she literally treats her like a child and infantilizes her (To the point of tucking her in like a little girl). She honestly shows the classic signs of a helicopter parent - they coddle and shelter them from the real world so much that it does more harm than good, shown here how her mother's manipulations ended up putting more stress on her as her as her mom wanted her to stay a naive little child.
@Notolderthanyou
3 жыл бұрын
@@yamato6114 yes but with the mother’s mental issues, she doesn’t want her to do things that she hasn’t allowed. She still thinks she is a child that needs nurturing but once again, when the metamorphosis begins and Nina becomes the black swan, her innocence dies and the black swan is born
@dynahvelvixin.8615
3 жыл бұрын
@@Notolderthanyou And that's when Nina comes into full maturity and turns on her mother. I mean if her mother deeply cares about her that much why does she not get her a therapist for Nina to get the right treatment. After that Nina can live her own life once she's fully recovered. Instead her mother controls her and treats her like a little child won't let her live her own life. No matter how ill someone is always treat them normal. That's why I was glad Nina stood up to her mother. Once the black swan was born that was a fullh grown mature woman Nina became which she needs to be to live her own life free.
@ZannaZatanna1
Жыл бұрын
it's been a while since I've seen that movie and I'm struck by how high Natalie Portman made her voice here. truly like a child.
@MediaLover194
11 ай бұрын
She said that the voice was the hardest part of the character for her to do because she was training to sound deeper and more adult after previous directors criticized the childish quality of her voice.
@myfriendisaac
9 ай бұрын
0:08 “It’s *OUR* favorite.” 🙃🍓🍰
@KM-by7gc
3 жыл бұрын
This mother is so dramatic, but the actress did a perfect job.
@bettyboop6137
2 жыл бұрын
Well that’s Barbara Hershey for you ✨
@LuisGarcia-wx4hq
4 жыл бұрын
This scene was kinda creepy
@c6397
3 жыл бұрын
This scene look so real for me. It's kinda disturbing
@tybug316
2 жыл бұрын
Having worked in the ballet world, this dynamic unfortunately plays out quite frequently -- not parent/child (though that too) but dancer/dessert. The physical demands are so intense; when "allowed" to eat something like cake, it's at once celebrated but also presents a paralyzing dilemma.
@alannaweatherby4678
2 ай бұрын
I never like being forced to eat, so this scene hits home with me. Nina is trying to appease her mother's worry while also fabricating the illusion of wellness by indulging in something she finds toxic or unhealthy, much like their mother/daughter relationship.
@saulpineda2737
5 ай бұрын
We don’t talk about the legendary Barbara Hershey in this scene!!!! A legend!!
@cari6614
7 ай бұрын
This scene freaked me out because of how accurately Natalie Portman portrayed anorexia. As someone who went through anorexia a few years back, I can just see myself back then doing the exact same things. Like how the moment she sees the cake her face turns rigid, it shows how with anorexia, food stimulus(which should bring a relaxing response for normal people) causes an automatic defensive response. My mother had a hard time with me freaking out over food like that, though I was lucky she was patient and not anything like Nina’s mother there.
@jesss101
19 күн бұрын
yes, the best response to a child showing unhealthy behavior is to support them and get them help, not get mad or guilt them.
@kendy4
2 жыл бұрын
It’s such a toxic behavior from the Mom. The right answer would have been to understand her child’s wishes and just cut a smaller piece. The manipulative tactics that she uses to control Nina are so wrong and subtle that it’s hard to see to the untrained eye. Nina was also right about that cake , that was a huge as piece and after doing ballet and stretching your body like a pretzel for hours in the day , such “treat” is not the what you should eat right away. Anyway this scene was mad so uncomfortable to watch and the actors did a phenomenal job in portraying that , even though this is literally real life to others now 🤷🏼♂️
@aminakamran6969
Жыл бұрын
This is exactly what my mother is like. Such a heartbreaking scene.
@beepboop9519
10 ай бұрын
Same
@maciek8172
10 ай бұрын
I read about this in a book called Laws of Human Nature. This is passive aggressiveness used to control an individual. It occurs sometimes between mother and daughters. "A mother for instance can shower her daughter with affection and love, keeping the girl bound to her. If the daughter tries to exercise independence at some point, the mother responds as if this were and aggressive and unloving act on the daughters part. To avoid feeling guilty, the daughter stops asserting herself and works harder to earn more of the affection she has become dependent on. The relationship has reversed itself. Later the mother exercises control over other aspects of her daughters life, including money, career, and intimate partners." p. 507
@aminakamran6969
10 ай бұрын
@@maciek8172 Sounds like a good read. Will look into it. Thanks!
@maciek8172
10 ай бұрын
I read about this in a book called Laws of Human Nature. This is passive aggressiveness used to control an individual. It occurs sometimes between mothers and daughters. "A mother for instance can shower her daughter with affection and love, keeping the girl bound to her. If the daughter tries to exercise independence at some point, the mother responds as if this were and aggressive and unloving act on the daughters part. To avoid feeling guilty, the daughter stops asserting herself and works harder to earn more of the affection she has become dependent on. The relationship has reversed itself. Later the mother exercises control over other aspects of her daughters life, including money, career, and intimate partners." p. 507
@sgshumblecrumb6046
2 жыл бұрын
"Fine, then it's garbage!" Me: Yep. That's right.
@vanille6607
Жыл бұрын
The mother is completely sick. I just realized there's something between the fact that Nina got to be the swan queen and her mother "never left the corps". Their relationship is based on jealousy of the mother. She is a narcissist, incestual mother who clearly can't get over the fact that her daughter managed to do better than her. The scene where she conforts nina when she's anxious about the fact thomas wouldn't choose her, shows that she DOESN'T want her daughter to reach success. That would mean Nina is getting older, she might have a career and leave the house or just feels like nina can do better than her. She can't get over the fact that her career didn't go as well as she thought ("What career?" says nina in a scene where she argues with her mother) it would be because she got pregnant. I think her mother can't get over the fact that becoming pregnant with nina shattered her dreams of ballet career. She has anger towards nina and can't express that in another way.
@zabariduwab9950
6 ай бұрын
Where does the incest come from ??
@vanille6607
5 ай бұрын
@@zabariduwab9950In incestual relationship or environment, the boundaries aren't defined nor respected. The child is an object, a Friend, a partner to the adult/parent, it's not a child anymore. We Can see in the movie that Nina's mother doesn't respect her boundaries, nor she considers her as a grown up woman. But i don't know where it comes from in the movie. We don't know who Nina's father is. Maybe Nina's mother wanted to replace him with Nina.
@jesss101
19 күн бұрын
also, nina's room is child-like. pink with butterflies and looks like a little girl's room. i wonder if her mom insisted she keep it decorated like that, to make her adult daughter seem like she is still a kid.
@jokingly918
Жыл бұрын
the first time watching the movie when I saw this scene it physically shocked me to my core how scary their relationship was.
@omararturoramirez5262
Жыл бұрын
Barbara Hershey was SPLENDID in that role, I don’t understand why she wasn’t nominated at the academy awards. And yeah, a very common practice in parenthood, unfortunately, stuffing the child with guilt and pressure
@Satanna.avemaria
2 жыл бұрын
27 and my mum can sometimes be like this. She loves me and I love her but it can be suffocating. Soon I want to go japan and she said “you won’t want to leave us” and I replied “you mean you don’t want me to leave” I heard a pin drop 😂 can relate to Nina in this scene so much
@NiVi192
Жыл бұрын
Oh dear, do take care, because parental suffocating isn't about motherly or fatherly love. It's about inferiority complexes and obsessive control (the paranoia of letting go in general), anxiety, fear of loss, sometimes though not always personality disorders that lead to emotionally abusive, manipulative behavior... I don't know you're mom, I'm just saying parents can have serious issues as well, which they never took care of in therapy and pass on/project onto their children. It can become such a well-established habit over the years that parents don't even question their toxic/at least unfair parenting style anymore...which, ironically enough, drives us children a lot further away than we usually would (I'd guess you didn't choose to go away to Japan for no reason). Anyway, good luck
@andreawalestv1055
3 жыл бұрын
She always treats nina like a little girl 😤
@dynahvelvixin.8615
3 жыл бұрын
Awh Nina turns on her then. Then Nina goes into full maturity when the black swan is born.
@skeleton2389
2 жыл бұрын
Didn't know my mom was in this movie
@dianal.5223
2 жыл бұрын
same thought said I
@eegiieegii4983
8 ай бұрын
same
@marisafaith9975
3 жыл бұрын
I think her mom may be sick.
@priyotomo203
3 жыл бұрын
Well that's why nina is sick too 💁♂️
@HuggiMa
2 жыл бұрын
Plot twist...Nina's mother didn't exist. No one saw her except Nina. Nina actually lived alone.
@KiroRocks
2 жыл бұрын
Haha!
@lulub1433
2 жыл бұрын
How could she afford that apartment by herself in New York. No sorry mama gotta exist.
@nnnn-sc2im
Жыл бұрын
@user-ei8mx2pq1owell she’s a professional ballerina so definitely gets paidl but definitely not brought to afford living in new york
@HuggiMa
10 ай бұрын
maybe its not an apartment but a mental hospital.@@nnnn-sc2im
@tsntana
5 ай бұрын
Sort of like King Of Comedy? "But, like everyone else, I grew up in large part thanks to my mother. If she were only here today, I'd say, "Hey Ma, what are you doing here? You've been dead for nine years!" - Rupert Pupkin
@cswim06
Ай бұрын
Barbara really should have gotten an Oscar nomination for this role. She was fabulous.
@kaliahampton3367
4 жыл бұрын
How many of you know that her mother is Regina's mother Cora from Once upon a time???
@KiroRocks
4 жыл бұрын
I've watched almost all her roles and met her twice in person. I know even more, a lot more.
@kaliahampton3367
4 жыл бұрын
@@KiroRocks You actually met her?!?!? That's awesome!!!
@hindsightpov4218
4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t doubt Hershey got the role of Regina’s mother on Once Upon a Time because she previously played the overbearing mother in Black Swan.
@Dejza_official
3 жыл бұрын
Me :D
@carolsocialmedia5296
3 жыл бұрын
It would be hilarious to watch Mom try to cram that huge cake into the tiny bin!
@GeorgeSukFuk
Жыл бұрын
The sound design is amazing. The cake actually sounds gross
@expansefloating4096
Жыл бұрын
Lol for me it’s a bit gross but at the same time my mouth is watering
@MattvanderWoodsen
11 ай бұрын
ppl w strict parents are the only ones who will ever truly get this movie
@soffa93
Жыл бұрын
I think the cake is so enormous (i wouldn't buy that thing for two fat men of which i am one) because the mom is intentionally/unconsciously sabotaging nina.
@AutisticBeaver
5 ай бұрын
I don't think you're fat 💔
@jesss101
19 күн бұрын
perfect portrayal of a fake "nice" guilting parent. she threatens to throw away the cake because her daughter doesn't want any... the mother isn't concerned for her daughter's restrictive dieting, she is concerned with how her gift wasn't appreciated enough.
@tamikam.murray8844
5 ай бұрын
An article about Wonka brought me to this clip. I haven't seen this movie in YEARS! But that scene right there left me saying, "Oh, NOOOO." LOL
@remoteheavens7055
Жыл бұрын
this movie is genius
@Flapinko
4 жыл бұрын
If her mother would like to celebrate, she could have at least made healthy fruit salad instead of cake.
@KiroRocks
4 жыл бұрын
Fruit salad is not healthy either. Too much sugar in both, cake and fruit! I know it, I've been diabetic type 1 since 1994.
@Flapinko
4 жыл бұрын
Oh I see... even just the fruit as well? In that case, then maybe she can celebrate with vegetables.
@nowelleredmond482
4 жыл бұрын
Well, depending on how you make it, fruit salad does have natural sugars, pectin, which is bad for a diabetic but for the average person it's fine to eat when losing/maintaining weight
@gingerisevil02
3 жыл бұрын
Hershey Love ....fruit isn’t unhealthy. Fructose =/=glucose
@highdab5181
3 жыл бұрын
Chloe Ji oh just eats one piece cake i don’t think it’s going to ruin her health completely
@marcellaoreilly2730
Жыл бұрын
I relate to Nina so much as i also deceloped mental health issues as a narcissistic mother will always find ways to manipulate their children(particularly daughters) as they see them as an extension of themselves rather than an individual. Notice how she manipulates her into eating the cake "then it's garbage" then when Nina gives in, she twists it around and claims "I'm just so proud of you" to win back Nina's approval and validation. It's a nightmare and i feel for anybody going through what ive been going through. The only way is to fight and maintain minimal exposure from the narcissist as much as possible xxxx
@GeorgeSukFuk
Жыл бұрын
That cake is so over the top
@meljoy8599
2 жыл бұрын
i want that cake
@joshuas.986
3 жыл бұрын
most awkward 44 seconds
@CareBear2480
2 жыл бұрын
Not really. I live with a mom like this.
@artisticalex1206
2 жыл бұрын
Love this movie so much. But I will say the mom has a lot of problems.
@bgc3864
Жыл бұрын
This scene really threw me off. I get her mom is overprotected and obsessive but I don’t get why she was about to throw away the cake like that
@jamesdurnford1221
10 ай бұрын
Threatening to throw food in the bin is a form blackmail,
@sumoni
2 жыл бұрын
That cake looked disgusting tbh. Too much frosting.
@denisesatx
2 жыл бұрын
You ungrateful little brat, GO TO YOUR ROOM!!
@Dee-vc5jv
2 жыл бұрын
It's just a cake, that's what it suppose to look like lol😋
@Bryan19w
Ай бұрын
0:08 💀💀
@glitzgarcia8281
Жыл бұрын
Omg I remember Barbara from The Entity movie
@ratchetleague1285
3 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for her mom. Man when she was confronting her later on and she closed the door on her hand I was practically in tears
@aimforlifenow
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly? The mom deserved it. If she didn't coddle Nina to the point of suffocating her, Nina could have been raised with a stronger, healthier mind. The mother never wanted this however, because if Nina is a sane, stable individual, she will become independent. The mother will be all alone, with nothing left to control. Think of the mother as one of the evil stepmothers from all those fairytales, who seek to imprison the princess in her castle, because if the princess is freed, she will one day be queen herself.
@agnese3275
2 жыл бұрын
bruh what 💀 her mom is disgusting 😹
@JTD2001
11 ай бұрын
I cheered
@jdsworld6452
Жыл бұрын
I would of took the entire cake myself she crazy pass it to me ill take a slice or two 😂
@TAlexander-91
Жыл бұрын
My father was a lot like this.
@KiroRocks
Жыл бұрын
My grandpa is, too.
@ccwhitman8021
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly coming from an Italian family I find nothing unusual about the mom's response to her daughter refusing her food lol
@towel1636
2 жыл бұрын
That's abusive
@DerFuchsJr
Жыл бұрын
Its all about CONTEXT
@toplaycool21
Жыл бұрын
0:24 why would she just throw out cake like that?
@user-hq5rn2ny4w
8 ай бұрын
y'know This is the perfect example of my grandparents, everytime i Come Their Houses i get huge nauseoua because They give me so much too eat and Then when i try to eat i gag because and if i say i don't Like in 0:24 and its so horrible They Are all mad at me then and act Like i burned The House down
@KiroRocks
8 ай бұрын
I know this very well. My father's parents are like this, too. They used to "feed" my mom with more than 20 pieces of cake when she got together with my dad... And I'm diabetic type 1, my sis has celiac disease, we can't just eat like crazy without thinking.
@starmelodyelizabethb7380
Жыл бұрын
Vanilla and strawberry filling mmm I wish there was a video tutorial on how to make it
@henzcarltupastupas6751
4 жыл бұрын
Is these her BIRTHDAY? 🎈🎆🎈🎇🎂🎊🎉🍃
@vilmalazzarini8847
4 ай бұрын
What is wrong with the mother
@TheCoolOwen
3 жыл бұрын
Fine. Then it’s GARBAGE! 🗑 🎂 💩
@ccwhitman8021
2 жыл бұрын
Why does everyone act like the mom is so bad? How would you feel if you were Nina's mom, maybe she was frustrated that Nina wouldn't celebrate her own success? Honestly I felt that the cake was a metaphor for Nina's success in this scene
@sgshumblecrumb6046
2 жыл бұрын
Oh please. Mom's "it's trash" moment with the cake. Even if Nina is being neurotic (a behavior they often learn from parents), Mom's reaction was so unnecessary and comes off as insidiously controlling. Aka the guilt trip. It drives me me nuts when people can't see through the controlling, passive aggression which signifies classic narcissistic and/or helicopter parenting.
@thebingus7243
2 жыл бұрын
i dont think it is. the mother is weirdly infantilizing of nina, based on the very overtly cutesy and girly style of the cake and her room thats more suited towards a six year old. if she wanted nina to celebrate with the cake, and nina didnt want to eat too much. The logical situation would be to cut a smaller piece as a compromise right? instead the mom tries to throw the entire cake away, showing that the only way for nina to get her mothers support, is to do things the way her mother wants it or to not have any support at all.
@cowgirl.space.
2 жыл бұрын
@@sgshumblecrumb6046 oh god, THANK YOU. someone said it! the worst part about these narcissistic parents is that they’re so manipulative that nobody sees anything wrong with it. everyone unanimously agrees that sexual or physical abuse is bad, but the cycle of invalidation continues for children of narcissists bc it’s such an invisible trauma that, at first glance, just looks like an overly caring or protective dynamic.
@Gotteskind17
2 жыл бұрын
@@sgshumblecrumb6046 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@vanitashih3852
2 жыл бұрын
The mom’s not wrong for being upset but she’s wrong for resorting to manipulation and guilt tripping. A normal loving parent would talk it out with their daughter or respect that she just can’t eat that much cake right after ballet practice
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